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Sunday, July 01, 2007
Kevin McCullough :: Townhall.com Columnist
When Liberals, Nutroots, and Terrorists Conspire
by Kevin McCullough
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There seems to be a pattern amongst the left and terrorists. They work together. Whether they do so intentionally or not is irrelevant. The actions of one are given cover by the others and in the end - they are all working for the same team.

Take the attempted terrorist bombings of this past week.

On Friday, due to some very fortunate timing by a police officer and a set of parking garage attendants two massively huge car bombs were dismantled. And while the actions of those people are commendable - let's face it, the main reason that thousands of Brits weren't dead was due to the fact that the cell phone triggers had not worked. The numbers had been dialed twice in an attempt to set them off. It should also be noted that the original positioning of the two Mercedes coupes were set up in perfect Al Qaeda style, one to scare foot traffic down the street in perfectly delayed fashion to arrive near the second car just in time to absorb the blast.

The investigations are on-going but we already have a clear picture of the driver of the first Mercedes and we know he is linked to Al Qaeda. We also know that the original green Mercedes was spotted in Scotland a couple of days before, then in Birmingham (a hotbed of anti-west jihadism) and then pulling up in front of the "Tiger Tiger".

Speaking of Scotland the day following the double car bomb attempt, authorities placed men in custody who appear to be from southeast Asia. Jim Halpert would call them "Pakistinannies." These guys attempted to drive either a Jeep Cherokee or a Land Rover into Glasgow airport. Funny enough - they had propane tanks, and the smell of petrol emanating from their vehicle as well.

Of course none of these Jihdistinannies would be free to be roving the streets of of the U.K. were it not for some oh so brilliant liberal legislation that has identified them as dangerous threats to the welfare of the public but is not able to detain them. The Brits call them a "control order." Its the liberal's way of attempting to slap a terrorist on the wrist and then instructing them to go play nicely. When in reality what it accomplishes is the public release of Islamic terrorists who go right back to the building of bombs.

Each of the bombs over the weekend were estimated to hold 250 gallons of petrol, 8 canisters of propane, and 18-20 cases of carpenter nails. All legally accessible products and when combined could create a fireball that expands to over 400 feet in length in every direction.

So you're average jihadist is able to run around free as a bird, put together these rather conventional style bombs, and what does the left in America say?

Well as of press time for this column, none of the Democratic candidates for President had publicly addressed the matter. Most leftist media also shrugged it off. But their "nutroots" supporters were all over it. Posters at the Huffington Post, The Democratic Underground, and The Daily Kos web sites were already hatching 102 different conspiracy theories about how this was planned by the evil genius George Bush.

What was shocking in many of the posts at all three sites were the confessions by those who posted them, that they were, "just too cynical to believe these reports anymore."

In other words the freaks who live in these internet caves are more willing to trust the intentions of the "control ordered" Islamic killers, than they are of multiple confirmed reports from CNN, the BBC, and of course the major broadcast networks - none of which lean in any imaginary way in support of the War on Islamic Fascism.

The thing is - the killers know this. They know their rights under British law, they can argue their freedoms under the sanction of "control orders." They are attempting to persuade America to move in that direction and to end the detainments of jihadist psychos living in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Unfortunately the Supreme Court has expressed an interest in at least hearing them out.

What the nutroots, and the liberals did not even bother to investigate has to do with the timing of the attempted car bombings. British authorities knew that threats had been made. Previous attacks were carried out on important dates. Friday was the first day on the job for the Brits' new Prime Minister Gordon Brown. Perhaps even more importantly Al Qaeda may have been attempting to send a message to the jurors in the last London bombing case. The jurors were on their first day of deliberating the outcome of the last batch of murderous thugs who had been captured.

Whatever the motivation, one thing is still very clear...

Islamic Jihadistinannies want to kill free people, particularly free people who stand up to them.

Unfortunately liberals and the nutroots who support them are firmly on their side, passing laws to give the terrorists access, and conspiracies to cover their trails.

Ignoring the voice of these three groups is a global security matter. Detaining, monitoring the communications of, and keeping close track of where these dogs lie, and what they are up to is the only way we can insure both safety and freedom in the days to come.

And I would always prefer those odds, as to say, the pure dumb luck of a passing policeman or parking garage attendants!

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Thought it was an ambulance driver??
DID YOU READ WHAT THE MAYOR OF LONDON SAID?

"London Mayor Ken Livingstone called on Britons Saturday not to demonize Muslims after a double car bomb plot was foiled in the capital, amid fears of a Islamist terror threat."
curtesy of Drudge and yahoo news uk.

Oh, really?
< < Well as of press time for this column, none of the Democratic candidates for President had publicly addressed the matter. Most leftist media also shrugged it off. > >

Huh? I read all about it in the so-called "leftist media" (which I assume McCullough is calling mainstream media).

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/30/world/europe/30britain.html

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-britbomb30jun30,1,3833601.story

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/06/29/london.alert/index.html

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11593145

Is this like that time Ann Coulter said that the NYT didn't report that thing on Nascar because they're out of touch with the American people, except they had, on the front page?

Come on, even for a lead-'em-around-by-a-hook-in-the-nose buy like yourself, Reverend McCullough, you're pushing the bounds of truthfulness here.

Cynicism cuts both ways
When American Leftists say they don't believe the Government's threat warnings and threat assessments anymore, they're ridiculed here....

....exactly three days after Bush's immigration bill went down to defeat in the Senate precisely because many CONSERVATIVES don't believe the Government's promises of border enforcement anymore either.

And Michael Reagan, who is no leftist, don't wrote a column in which he said, "Don't Trust Washington--Ever."

The cynicism about the U.S. Government runs deep, all across the political spectrum. And for good reason, given the Government's past track record of lying and failure on so many things. If the Leftists don't believe the Government on terrorism, it's equally true that the Right doesn't believe the Government on border enforcement.

And the Right demanded to see actual PROOF--build the fence along the southern border.

It's reasonable to give the Left comparable proof. If the British Government has the evidence against these guys that links them to a wider al-Qaeda plot, then let them show it and let's see it.


What goes through the progressive mind
At times like this is all too predictable. I saw it every day growing up- in my own family.

"A bomb? Well, obviously it's our fault. They're just acting out. We need to stop hating and oppressing them."

Followed by

"Well, it's all the fault of Western culture. It's all about White Male Power and bringing down women and people of color. Once it's gone, we can begin building a New World with real justice."

Which segues' into

"They have a REAL culture. It's been around thousands of years longer than ours. How dare we say ours is better, or even as good? We'd all be better off if THEIR cultural values ruled the world."

And finished by

"Well, after all, they're just (insert appropriate racial epithet here). They can't be trusted to run things, they're too ignorant and stupid.

"They'll need US to tell them what to do."


Here you see the fundamental hypocrisy of the progressive mental state.

Everyone in the West, and especially anyone they define as "white" is evil. (Except for themselves.)

Western Civilization is evil, and must be destroyed so that the morally superior "other" culture can succeed to world hegemony. (Except for the parts of Western "culture" valued by the progressives, of course- which seem to consist mainly of bong hits and using four-letter words whenever possible, whether appropriate or not.)

And of course the idea that the "superior other(s)" are not so superior that they will not need the "enlightened progressives" to tell them how to run things. (Because after all, the progressives are the true superior ones.)

The fact that I grew up around people with this sort of "watertight-compartment mind" (as Lord Peter Wimsey once described a similar mindset regarding amour fou) is how I grew up to be a slightly-right-of-center moderate.

Needless to say, my "progressive" kin consider me the devil incarnate.

(By the way, exactly none of them would have been caught dead reading Dorothy L. Sayers, either.)


cheers

eon

EON
Fabulous summary. I especially like the way you show how progressives come full circle to reveal themselves as among the most racist, elitist people on the planet.

SteveL
There are valid reasons that the Right does not trust the Bush administration about Illegals. The laws have not been enforced, and amnesty keeps rearing its ugly head.
On the other hand, the Left has no reason to say that there is not a threat from Islmaic extremism. Ever here of 9/11?
And for further review on the Islamic threat:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

Gabby
Who exactly was that aimed at?
Sounds like a Junior High kid yakking.

Gabby
You wrote:"John Quincy Adams:

"“…he [Muhammad] declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind…The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God.'”

There is the commader in chief of this enemy who attacks the western nations and until you accept this, we will live with a police state set up by George Bush (approved of by republican rank and file), and fully ready to be taken over and managed by the democrats.

Do you realize how circular that is? The first paragraph has you talking about the Islamic threat by quoting Adams, yet the second paragraph has you attacking the Bush administration for doing something about it.
Time to put down your bong and take a nap.

Gabby, here's an alternative
The only alternative to the "police state" you decry.

Immediately stop Muslim immigration from any country and deport any Muslim non-citized currently in the USA. At the same time, relax prosecutorial rules against any and all who incite Islamic-inspired violence in the USA.

Look: Islam is a cancer--it has been since its inception. The only reason why it hasn't (yet) spread to the whole habitable planet is surely not because of lack of try.

So, since we made the mistake of allowing millions of them into our country (thanks, Ted Kennedy), we have two choices now vis a vis this cancer:

1 - Police society, while keeping society relatively open: radiate the whole body

2 - Don't police society, but purge the USA of Islamic presence as much as possible: don't radiate the body, surgically remove the cancer

The only other option will cost innocent lives--and it's the height of immorality to look upon terrorism victims as a "fair price to pay that we'd best learn to live with."

I'd greatly prefer option 2.

The much-maligned, relatively mono-cultural America we had before we turned it into some bizarre Epcot Center pipe-dream with smiley-face stickers strategically placed over festering gashes--is something I'd gleefully return to.

this guy is frightening
God forbid someone like McCullough ever gains any serious voice in this country. He would have our liberties shut down faster than one can say "Jihadistinannies".

If anything, what the recent spate of attempted attacks shows is that the Jihadists are pathetic and weak, not to mention stupid. Yet it only serves as evidence to the like of McCullough that we all need to give up all our rights to privacy, no questions asked. Line up for your implanted chips folks, we can't take any chances! The terrorists are coming! The Terrorists are coming!

Thank God the GOP has so royaly screwed up their chance at power. Otherwise I fear that some people would actually take this guy seriously.

Is this the angriest, most frightened little man in the world, or what?

Phylo out.

American Liberals + Muslim Jihadists = ?
Does this analysis mean that we will eventually have to take up arms against our own political Left? You all know how they'll react, especially the ones in power, when they're threatened in THAT fashion...

phylo se fiser
Your "joke" using the words 'the terrorist are
coming', shows how little you know.
In an interview on the liberal cbs, the muslim
clearly stated that their goal was to rule the
world. He said that has been the goal for 400yrs
or hee hee maybe 500yrs.
So maybe the next time you utter those words you
will be hiding under the porch.
You had better broaden your history lessons, then
then comment.

Liberalism- the bane of the modern world
I always like to think of society like making soup.

Too little liberalism (read compassion to the outsider, resistance to convention, and "pushing the envelope"), and you have an oppressive culture.

Too much liberalism, and interestingly enough you end up with a mushy-headed extreme Left totalitarianism that forces you to tolerate those who are plotting your own demise.

Liberalism should be like putting pepper and spice in your soup, just as Christians are called to be Salt and Light. If you allow too much pepper and spice into your soup, it will become inedible!

In the real world, we are living currently in a dangerous situation, where large numbers of people have been taught from childhood to hate us and have been trained to kill us.

If we were black people in Mississippi of the 1950s, and white people who had been trained to hate us were trying to kill us, the Left would be telling them to stand up for themselves.

But since we are the dominant culture of the world, the Left wants us to just lay down like mild sheep and let the Terrorists kill us.

As long as the good people remain passive like the blonde people in "The Time Machine" and allow the evil cave-dwelling brutes to have their way with us, we are headed for the way of the Dodo Bird.

Mr. McCullough's mistake
While I generally agree with this article, there is one mistake in it.

"There seems to be a pattern amongst the left and terrorists. They work together. Whether they do so intentionally or not is irrelevant. The actions of one are given cover by the others and in the end - they are all working for the same team."

No, in the end they are NOT all working for the same team. Leftists may think they are working for the same team, but the Muslims who are terrorists know better. They know perfectly well that, once the leftists and terrorists get power, they (the terrorists) are going to chop off the heads of the leftists.

This happened in Iran after the Shah was evicted, and I just cannot believe that leftists are so stupid as to ally themselves with Muslims again.

Phylo
I could accuse you of the same "irrational fear" of which you are accusing McCullough. Actually, scratch that--I am accusing you of it.

So you quiver in your breeches at the thought of "someone like him" gaining power in the USA.

As for being pathetic, weak and stupid, I charge that these tags are more appropriate for those who shrug off the very real Islamic threat the world is facing. Pulling a sheet over one's head pretending it's a mantle of enlightenment earns him these appellatives in spades.

A rational fear of what millions of angry Muslims are doing, have done, and vow to continue doing is no more unreasonable than a rational fear of injuring yourself if you jump off a tall building. Ignoring their threats, on the other hand, is the height of immaturity, wishful thinking and nihilism.

Mountain Rose
There were more analogies in your post than grains of black pepper in the soup you've inspired me to cook. ;-)

JFP
True. However, in this phase of their mission, Jihadists see the Left as a necessary bridge in their strategy, although (as you say), it eventually must be blown once crossed.

They know that without that "bridge" they won't be able to achieve their most current goal--which is to turn public opinion in their favor until enough levers of power are in their control.

So Mr. McCullogh's statement that, de facto, the Left and Jihad share a lot of common ground, still stands *in this phase of Jihad.*

Black Dog
Are you for real? C'mon, give us the funny punch-line! ;-)

Right and Left
There are politicians and private citizens on both sides of the isle who refuse to accept the reality of Islam's war against everything but Islam. We have the terrorists themselves telling us, every chance they get, that their intention and purpose is to kill as many of us as possible- regardless of any appeasement offered to them. And yet, "conservatives" and liberals, democrats and republicans persist in ignoring them, not taking them seriously or at their word, and continually try to find ways to further appease them. Politics have overtaken what is best for America, and we will pay a heavy price for our stupidity.

The tide is turning...
...I was recently in Europe, and was taken aback by the widespread, palpable and *open* resentment there is against Muslim immigrants. This wasn't the case as late as 5 years ago.

Perfect strangers would bring this subject up in conversation, out of the blue, and with more angst than I've seen in my life.

I feel that there is an open cultural revolt brewing against PC-imposed platitudes about the wonders of multiculturalism. Where this will lead, I don't know, but it sure is a good sign to see the population awaking from the hibernation of PC doctrine. And that's Europe.

Here in the USA, the sentiment is not as widespread yet, because the detrimental impact of Islam on our society hasn't been that heavy so far. But there is surely more and more realization of where we may be headed if the useful idiots in our society keep allowing them to trample roughshod over our culture and institutions.

Liberals and Jihadis
I think McCullough is right on target by stating that liberals and jihadis seem to be working together. Come to think of it didn't the left also support another enemy ideology? I think McCullough could easily use the lefts support for communist regimes as another validating example of colluding with the enemy.

To this day we still hear the liberal left fawning over Castro's Cuba. This in spite of the fact that Castro turned a prosperous nation with a future into a communist concentration camp.

Both communism and Islamic fascism are enemy ideologies. Both severely limit the freedoms of the people they control. Both are poison to America. The left has and is still supporting communism, and through it's multiculturalism and hunger for political power is supporting radical Islam.

One example that McCullough failed to mention is how multiculturalism has played it's part in soon to be Islamic Europe. Multiculturalism, one of the favorite ideas of the left, has destroyed Europes future. They now have a significant Islamic 5th column in place that they can't deal with thanks to importing/supporting muslims and their culture. Paris riots, Theo Van Gogh assasination, bombings in Spain, London bombings, need we go on? Leftist multiculturalism undermined the national identities of European nations and threatens to do so here in the US.

The fact is that muslims can't become citizens of any nation state. Their allegiance is sworn to Allah, their guiding principles are inscribed in the most violent religious text ever written, the Koran. They owe allegiance only to their God. They are an implacable enemy with only world domination in mind. Irans "Ahmadinnerjacket" even said he is ushering in the new caliphate and is trying to set the stage for the "hidden Imam".

The idea, as stated by two of the liberals responding here today, that the left has a valid point not trusting the governments terror warnings is ridiculous on it's face. There is ample proof the Islamic radicals seek to destroy the free people of the West. There have been numerous successful attacks that have been carried out in western nations. It would be terribly stupid for leftists in this country not to heed those warnings. Of course leftists don't seem to have any sense of self preservation so this is not a great surprise. It is just disappointing that they want to drag the rest of us into body bags with them.

As far as the right not trusting the government about immigration as a comparison, that is also quite ridiculous. Some 80% of the people (left, center, and right)in this nation were against the bill sponsored by Bush/Kennedy. I think everyone realized that the bill was bad as policy, but more importantly I think everyone realizes that border security is an important step in preventing terrorism at home.

In my opinion the left (media included), and it's leaders really need to experience the "pop" (the sound made when the head is liberated from a certain cavity). There really is a war on and it has come to our shores. The left needs to stand with America and work against the enemies of freedom. Lefty Democrats and Republicans placating/appeasing for short-term political gain or a temporary peace will not stop the Islamic radicals, it will embolden them.

In the end the left will not be immune from whatever dire consequences arise out of our failure to address the Islamic radical problem. The leftist will be just as dead or just as subjugated as everyone else.

JFP- Think again
JFP writes: Sunday, July, 01, 2007 9:42 AM
"Mr. McCullough's mistake
While I generally agree with this article, there is one mistake in it.
;There seems to be a pattern amongst the left and terrorists. They work together. Whether they do so intentionally or not is irrelevant. The actions of one are given cover by the others and in the end - they are all working for the same team. No, in the end they are NOT all working for the same team...'"
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I would like to differ.

They ARE working on the same team. The team of the Evil One who opposes the One True God, and will do anything to destroy His children.

The terrorists will certainly later turn on their teammates, like a grizzly version of Survivor, but at the moment, they work together to destroy the West.

Phylo
"He would have our liberties shut down faster than one can say 'Jihadistinannies'."

So, Phylo, what is your plan for dealing with honor killings? And what about rapes of non-Muslim women that happen because they aren't dressed "appropriately?" And what about the murder of Theo van Gogh? What about threats and killings of apostates from the Muslim faith? What about threats against Salman Rushdie?

Maybe if people like you had a plan to deal with all these problems, more people would be listening to you. But you have no plan. Or rather, your plan is: be kind to the Muslims. The trouble is that being kind to the Muslims gives them all sorts of liberties that they don't deserve and takes away liberties from the rest of us.

So when people like you whine about Bush and others taking away our liberties, I just have to think you are utterly clueless that you can't see that your own policies are taking away our liberties, too.

nolongersilent- Why Blonde?
nolongersilent writes: Sunday, July, 01, 2007 9:50 AM
Mountain Rose
It's funny how you would reference the blond people in that old movie, I've often wondered about it myself. Why blond? Was Hollywood's Anglo contempt prevalent even then?
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Why Blonde? Perhaps because Blondes are considered bubble-headed?

According to Wikipedia, The Time Machine by H. G. Wells was written in 1895. I suspect that Wells observed the creeping liberalism that made the West passive in the face of those who plotted against them. This toxic pacifism reached it's peak a couple of decades later, when most of Europe lay down for the Nazis and Fascists who took them over.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Time_Machine

The passive people (portrayed as blondes in the George Pal movie from 1960) are called the Eloi, and the cave dwellers who prey upon them are called Morlocks. It is interesting that the Eloi are Vegans and do no work (sounds like they are from the People's Republic of Santa Monica). In Well's book, I don't believe that they were blonde, but in the movie... well it was the '60s. What can I say.

To tell you the truth, I see this trend in the groups of children I see at the Zoo. Groups of white children with their teachers look shy, passive and quiet, while minority children are robust, enthusiastic and noisy.

Since the Left is running the schools, I can't help wondering to myself: "what is up with that? Is this a plan to shift the balance of power?"

This can't be enherited, since when I see children with their own families, they tend to behave all the same regardless of race.

It is only in school groups there is this marked difference.

Voltaire
I hope you're right about Europe, I have family there and things have not been great for Europeans of late. They certainly have the "frog in the pot" feeling about islam and what it is doing. I hope they reclaim their culture and their countries. The repudiation and destruction of leftist ideologies like multiculturalism would be a great step.

Here in the US the cultural threat comes from south of the border. I think that the latest amnesty attempt has turned the spotlight on the erosion of our culture.

The Left either naive, ignorant, or
First, 'purplestater' McCullough didn't say the mainstream American media didn't report the attempting bombings in London. He fact if you had read his entire column, not just the first page you would have noted he said that the Left ignored the facts reported by CNN, BBC, etc.

Yet Mr. McCullough's points should be cause for introspection among all Western liberals. The Western Left lives in the luxuries and safety of the Western Democracies and therefore are able to express what they believe freely even if it means giving aid and comfort to the very people who state that they hate all that the Western Left stands for.

While I am certain that just like any other group in the world that their are Muslims living in poverty and in country's where they are oppressed, that is still no excuse for Muslims that do not support jihad against the West to stand up and oppose their fellow Muslims that are engaging in jihad.

As for the Western Left I have yet to figure out whether they are naive, ignorant, or truly support the chaos that radical Islam wants to bring to all the world, especially the West. Which ever it makes them very dangerous in time of war. While I don't mind them endangering themselves when their deeds and words endanger my freedom and the lives of my family that is an different story.

nolongersilent- LOL!
Love the poetry!

I do worry about the large number of activist lawyers. While researching a post I made about Antonio Villaraigosa, the Mayor of Los Angeles, I ran across the name of his law school: The People's College of Law:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_College_of_Law

According to Wikipedia, The school maintains a socio-political requirement that states: "An eligible candidate will be able to demonstrate a commitment to progressive social change."

I wonder how many law schools are pumping out lawyers of this stripe.

Makoshark: figuring out the Left
"...As for the Western Left I have yet to figure out whether they are naive, ignorant, or truly support the chaos that radical Islam wants to bring to all the world, especially the West. Which ever it makes them very dangerous in time of war. While I don't mind them endangering themselves when their deeds and words endanger my freedom and the lives of my family that is an different story."
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I think it is a mixed bag with the Left. Some of them know exactly what they are doing, trying to deconstruct society to make way for "Utopia," while others are passive, useful-idiot, Eloi-like bubbleheads like Camaran Diez.

fear itself
The right, as exemplified by the likes Hannity and Mccullough, have done more to empower and embolden terrorism then their limited intellectual capacity will ever allow them to comprehend. Their incessant fear-mongering is the philosophy of cowering sissies, and discredits our superpower status. Terrorists could not ask for a better partner in crime. Every action the terrorists take gets the exact intended consequential response and reaction they desire...fear, and its attendant trait of provoking poorly thought out decisions.

DO AS I SAY, LIB CREDO
WANT TO BE A VICTIM OR MAYBE A THUG, CRIMINAL, TERRORIST, WHY NOT JUST BE A LIB?

THERE IS A LIST OF READY MADE EXCUSES AND LIES MADE TO ORDER TO DEFEND YOUR PREYING UPON THE INNOCENT OR THE LAW ABIDING JUST WRITE YOUR LOCAL LIB LEGISLATOR OR WITHOUT A CLU COMMIE AND YOU TO CAN GET A LIFE TIME SUPPLY OF PANCEAS AND GLIB UNTRUTHS AND YOU WILL NEVER BE PROPERLY PROSECUTED FOR ANY CRIME YOU COMMIT. ESPECIALLY IF YOU HOLD ANY ELECTED OFFICE, LIBS CAN ALWAYS FIND SOMEONE TO TAKE THE FALL FOR YOU.

campagnolo
You're as clueless as the Swedish politician who wants his fellow Swedes to be kind to the Muslims so that when the Muslims are in the majority in Sweden, they will be kind to the Swedes.

Hey Kevin,
The public isn't buying it. The thesis of this op/ed is identical to about 15 million other op/eds. Liberals are either weak on security, wrong about security or in bed with the enemy on security. Boo!

It ain't working. The public isn't buying it. The didn't buy it when the put the Democrats in office and they ain't going to be buying it when a Democratic president is elected.

Why?

Maybe its because the public is just a little smarter than you are Kevin. What's obvious to everyone is how much you hate, hate, liberals and will say anything about them and have done so.

You have no credibility leg to stand on. The only people who believe the likes of Rush Limbaugh or yourself are the followers.

People who don't listen to Rush Limbaugh give him 0 respect because Rush has never tried to earn any. Same with you.

And pretty much same with the right wing.

As long as the right wing continues to insult people's intelligence and integrity first, and then same something second, the right wing will be as impotent as Bob Dole without Viagra.



Black Dog
The "right wing KKK"? I bet Robert Byrd would be surprised to hear that he is right wing. Quick, without Googling it, of which party was Lincoln a member? Ever heard of the Dixiecrats?

Just for sport, I'll give you the opportunity to actually define the term "right wing" before I summarily declare you to be a [bleep]ing moron.

The Flaming Jihadist in Scotland
Poetic Justice if I have ever heard it!

LOL!

As long as we are unwilling to look like "meanies" by profiling young Muslim men, then we are going to be subjected to the kind of threat they have faced in the UK these past couple of days.

We must resist the Leftie Losers attempts to turn us into a nation of Elois!!!


blackdog
just like any untrained dog that barks for no apparent reason, you spew for your own benefit. Don't forget the old axiom: engage brain before hitting keyboard.

Black Dog
You are way off base. The KKK was mostly Democrats, not GOP. It was the GOP that freed the slaves.
But don't let history get in the way of your rant.

drivebyposting - excuse me but...
"It ain't working. The public isn't buying it."
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Did you read a single other post on this article?

Not likely.

The Lefties are shooting themselves in the foot by foisting their PC nonsense on the public, trying to keep us from defending our borders.

And the idea that, instead of profiling, we will make EVERYONE have a national bio-identity card (which means the feds will have our DNA on file - very scarey!) so that no one will feel singled out.

Well that is beyond the pale.

The response of the nation, shutting down the phone lines at the Senate from an overwhelming numbers of calls shows how America is fed up with all the PC nonsense that the Left has been shoving down our throats for decades.

As for the President?

I fear he is an Eloi.

Voltaire
LOL!

JFP
I'll include you in the "limited intellectual capacity will ever allow them to comprehend" category. Your response is a clueless non sequitur. Where did I write that I wanted to coddle muslims? I just do not fear them (which is what they want you to do) like you and other weak minded people.

Mountain Rose
Good one. I wonder how many readers here know who the Elois were/will be?
Rod Taylor, Alan Young & Evette Mimieux

Great Flick

Anybody?

drivebyposting
There are leftists, like Christopher Hitchens, who agree with what Kevin is saying.

And even if there weren't, so what? Can't you address Kevin's actual points? Is your position really so weak that you have to hide behind the claim that no one accepts what you are saying?

muslims
other than come up with design for dynamite belts and work at self destruction have muslims contributed anything to benefit humankind in the last 1000 years?

campagnolo
You are backwards, 180 degrees out of phase. It is the press, yes the left-wing mainstream networks and newspapers that are doing the jihadis the biggest favor. By favoring Islams side of the current conflict they give the jihadis something they could never get from a press that was truly objective or heavens forbid on our side. The American media gives the jihadis coverage and voice for their hatred. They give the jihadis vital propaganda victories, in fact they give them state secrets leaked by entrenched leftists in government.

The radio talkers are simply making everyone aware of the fact that there is still an enemy out there. Being afraid of something that can kill you or do a significant amount of harm is not caving into fear, it's being rational. It is how a nation faces that fear that is important. Acting like a lefty and sticking your head in the sand is not going to cut it.

The left reminds me of the three monkeys, hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. What that equates to is I don't want hear what is going on, I don't want to see it, and I don't want to say anything that will make the bad guys mad at me.

Reciting the "fear itself" statement is equally backwards, in those days the enemy was an ocean away. These days we import our own destruction by allowing the governments unchecked immigration from hostile Islamic states.

Islam does not care about you placating them or siding with them, your head is still going to come off.

Abe Lincoln Said:
"We here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain." - Abraham Lincoln, etched on the arch of Memorial Amphitheater at Arlington National Cemetary, where not a few of the casualties of Iraq are buried

It is overwhelmingly American Leftists who highly resolve that these casualties of Iraq SHALL have died in vain. This Democrats like Pelosi, Kennedy, and Reid want for purely political reasons, of the most hateful and cynical kind.

Evil is like that.

campagnolo - don't fear Islamic
Terrorists?

From your Italian name, I assume your relatives didn't fear Mussolini?

Yet in the end, he and his mistress were shot and hung from meathooks in the public square.

This is what happens when a society fails to protect themselves from evil. They finally get provoked to extreme and gruesome violence.

Better to profile those who wish to do us harm.

Thanks Craig C!
We had a little discussion of the film about halfway up the list.

It has a lot of relevance today N'est Pas?

I also compare what is happening today to The Return of the King from The Lord of the Rings, when it shows how the Steward of Gondor had failed to protect the Shining City on the Hill, and allowed the defenses to go to heck.

The maker of the recent film tried to soften the message by trying to make the bad guys and the weak steward look like Cheney and Bush.

But the message is clear: when Gondor fails to maintain her defenses, then Mordor can florish.

black dog
where is this KKK you seem so afraid of?

Black Dog - funny how the Left likes to
shift the blame over to us.

The KKKs were all Democrat(ick)s, and The Nazis were all Socialists (Nazi means National Socialism).

I always laugh when the Left calls both of those groups right-wing.

Socialists are happy to keep black people like pets, feeding and housing them and buying their allegience, only to trot them out on voting day and making them pay for being kept.

Repubs treat black people like they are as intelligent and capable as the rest of us, and can take care of themselves if they get out from under the smothering toxic "parenting" of the Left.

Truth of article being demonstrated?
Do you feel Liberals are trying to lure America off guard so we will be more vulnerable?
Don't profile the enemy?
Don't speak ill of the enemy?
Don't fear or mistrust our enemy?
Make up excuses for our enemy's hatred of us?

Black Dog, Stronzo Campagnolo...
Without realizing it, they prove how much spot-on McCullogh's article truly is.

Of course, we all know it's the carriers of traditional American values (=conservatives) who are the real enemies.

Just like Islamists, the left builds gigantic strawmen and then burns them with mouth-foaming rage.

Case in point: the phantomatic "religious right," that evil, mysterious, totalitarian and ever-reaching power that presides the darkest corner of the Left's godless mythology.

The adjective "useful" comes to mind... and another too. ;-)

Mountain Rose smokes the wacky tobaccky
"Repubs treat black people like they are as intelligent and capable as the rest of us, and can take care of themselves if they get out from under the smothering toxic "parenting" of the Left."


Please...... whenever an issue regarding blacks comes up the knee jerk talking points of the republican base is to respond with the following:

1. Sharpton
2. Jackson
3. Bill Cosby

Rinse repeat.... and for good measure once in awhile

4. We need to put a good conservative black person in as VP -- (unspoken sentiment being never on the front of the ticket cause we could never carry the south)

And to the article at hand 102 conspiracy theories? Really? how about describing them? guess not only "leftie" sites such as Dkos are a little loose with the truth..


No, Mountain Rose
is exactly right.

And, BTW, we on the right don't do talking points, because unlike you Pinkos on the left, we can think for ourselves--hence our dominance of the alternative media.

Aiding the enemy
Those commentators who stereotype Islam by its worst ingredients are giving aid to the jihadists. These jihadists are trying to convince the vast majority of Muslims - moderates - that the USA and especially Jews and Christians are making war on Islam. Those commentators etc (including most posters, it seems) make sweeping, unfair and indicting generalizations about Islam, giving the extremists grist for their mill. So, bigots who defame Islam are unwitting allies of the Islamic crazies.

If we start to look at the Bible we can find all sorts of justifications for war against infidels. Read about how Jehovah commanded Joshua to kill everybody in Jericho, Ai, etc. And how God told Saul to kill every Amalekite. Etc. Those ancient Hebrew invaders were bloodthirsty, committing wholesale and brutal genocide in the name of God. Sound familiar?

Interested in bloodthirsty? Read Psalm 137:9! Other Psalms focus on war, killing and revenge. This notion that Islam is a religion of war while Judaism and Christianity are religions of peace is false, but widely believed.


Norm
You wrote, “Reciting the "fear itself" statement is equally backwards, in those days the enemy was an ocean away.”

So FDR was merely saying that fear was irrational due to a geographical distance? That fails the reason (and history) test on all accounts. An attack on the mainland was thought an inevitability after Pearl Harbor. FDR was bolstering the American resolve and allaying the tendency of people to spiral into non-productive behaviors. People who are overcome by fear, cower. Those who are confident of their position stand strong. Great leadership is the key, and that we are woefully lacking.

Also, your inclusion of the immigration issue is a red herring. I too am firmly against illegal immigration, and would like to see legal immigration scaled back as well. Not because I fear immigrants, though.

Many on the left may indeed be sticking their head in the sand, but not due to fear, but mostly due to that other trait of the weak minded...naivete. However, that doesn’t excuse the right for fear mongering, or ameliorate the unbelievably bad decisions that have spawned from that fear.

TH libs prove McCullogh's point, Part 1
LOL

Every lib that has posted a counterpoint to McCullough's column has actually furnished verification of McCulluogh's argument instead of dispelling it.

Purplestater - you undoubtedly are one of those libs who got through school by memorizing information the night before the test instead of learning the material, especially the CONCEPTS that your teacher was supposed to teach you.

Thus you are a shining example of the exact point Coulter was making in the final pages of her book "Slander"; that liberal America is so completely out of touch with the right it has no concept of what is important to them. You write:

"Is this like that time Ann Coulter said that the NYT didn't report that thing on Nascar because they're out of touch with the American people, except they had, on the front page?".

revealing that (1) to you "Nascar" is a word when in fact it is an acronym (do you even know what N A S C A R stands for?) and (2) most important, you ARE out of touch with conservative America when you remember so clearly that Ann got it wrong but completely forget the event that you're so proud that the NYT reported on the front page. If the NYT is such a great paper and the event was reported on its front page, why do you refer to it as "that thing'? Do you even know what the event was? HINT: Have you ever heard of Dale Earnhardt? SECOND HINT: Do you know why ESPN has a made for TV movie entitled "3"?

Moron.

BTW - Coulter was guilty only of trusting a faulty source. She has, long ago and numerous times, explained that she did not research this direcly, but took the word of a usually reliable source. She has also corrected herself for the record. Compare this with Dan Rather's "explanation" that the Bush/Guard documents may have been proven false but the fatcs of the story are still true. Does it even occur to you that this is one reason why Coulter still has a thriving career as a polemicist and Rather has been put out to pasture?

Still and all, your comment is very illustrative. Coulter writes a 200 page book filled with dozens of examples of "Liberal Lies About the American Right", backs these up with dozens of endnotes and mountains of her own research, and all you can remember is "that thing" she got wrong.

Keep it up.


Left unaware they are Socialists?
This should help to inform any Liberals here who are unaware of Socialist policies.
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist

drivebyposting
You wrote: "As long as the right wing continues to insult people's intelligence and integrity first, and then same something second, the right wing will be as impotent as Bob Dole without Viagra."

Pretty strong words considering that 2006 was the first successful national election for the Dems in 12 years.
There are anomalies.

Robert
You wrote: "This administration took a bad wound, 9/11 and turned it into a raging desiese."

Looks to me like you are suffering Foot In Mouth Disease.

BTW, my spelling of the word is correct.

TH libs, Part 2
Phylo writes:

"If anything, what the recent spate of attempted attacks shows is that the Jihadists are pathetic and weak, not to mention stupid."

I understand several people were killed when these terrorists drove a flaming truck bomb into the Glasgow airport. Why don't you ask the ones who loved these victims and will now have to live without them how "pathetic and weak" the terrorists are?

You make decent people sick to our stomachs.

It would never occur to you that, even if you are right, even if al Qaeda is weak, that maybe they're only weak because of what George W. Bush and Tony Blair have done to them.

And the next time you're about to call al Qaeda "stupid", stop and think that these guys are playing you like a fiddle.






Besides,
Every time--and I mean EVERY time--the left is on the losing end of an argument, out come their revised version of Civil Rights history (as if it even was THEIR doing that the act passed -- Sen. Gore Senior, anyone?).

Try this for size, you dolts:

1 - It was THE LEFT who empowered the first Iranian religious zealot, opening Pandora's box to all the problems we have now.

2 - It was THE LEFT who lionized Yasser Arafat, and glorified his murderous persona to the point of giving this orchestrator of countless acts of terrorism a Nobel Peace Prize.

3 - It was THE LEFT who ignored 10+ years of Al Q'eda attacks without doing a lick about it: Khobar towers, USS Cole, Embassy bombings, WTC1...

4 - It was THE LEFT who first brayed about the absolute need to remove Saddam out of power.

5 - It was THE LEFT who, as soon as the current war started, openly wished it lost (see Salon.com, circa Spring 2002) even bemoaning the low level of US casualties.

6 - It was THE LEFT who treated our military victory and Saddam's removal as inconsequential at best and a loss at worst.

7 - It was THE LEFT who whipped up unnecessary media frenzy about Abu Grahib, giving propaganda points to the enemy.

8 - It was THE LEFT who had an endless parade of top-level politicians calling our military murderers, rapists and worse.

9 - It was THE LEFT who constantly brayed against the same surveillance programs that Clinton himself used.

10 - It was THE LEFT who did their darned best to confer constitutional, Miranda and Geneva rights on unlawful enemy combatants.

11 - It was THE LEFT who trotted out a legion of defense lawyers for these dangerous animals.

12 - It was THE LEFT who leaked vital national-security secrets and trumpeted them to the four winds through their Liberal newspapers.

13 - It was THE LEFT who decided to make Iraq War reporting a mind-numbing and demoralizing body-count, emphasizing every US death, every civilian death and removing any mention of our many successes.

14 - It was THE LEFT who scoffed at the Iraqi elections as if they were a mere, useless sideshow.

15 - It was THE LEFT who has openly and continuously cheered for our loss and our withdrawal.

16 - It was THE LEFT who stated that we had 9/11 coming because of our imperialist policies.

17 - And it is THE LEFT now who would still refuse to close the borders, treat the worldwide war against radical Islam like an unconnected series of law-enforcement accidents and all but openly cheer for our loss.

Need I go on? I'm sure I missed a few.

So trot out your tired and worn-out tackle box of red-herrings like the Civil Rights and KKK. How about you explain these points? Oh, wait. You can't.

We on the right are more informed, and, as last week showed, when we speak in mass, we always kick your... well, it even rhymes.

Roy
You can quote the Old Testament of the Bible until you are blue in the face, but it does not prove your point in the slightest.
Christianity is based on both books of the Bible, with the teachings of Jesus in the New Testament taking precedence over the words of the Old.
Islam, on the other hand only has its book, and its threats of death to the infidels, without any updates to indicate that there is some new policy within the Cult.

This site is full of Chickenhawks
Kevin McCullough and the TH community are a bunch of Chickenhawks, deal with it.

You guys use the language of bravery but you're just sitting behind a desk, posting on the internet.

Ironic that you guys always make the comparison to WW2. We'd have lost WW2 if everyone sat around in their underwear typing smears.

Craig, Craig...
Old Testament? New Testament? These concepts are too advanced for our interlocutors. C'mon, be fair, man.

Voltaire
1:27 Post,,, well done.

Voltaire
You wrote: "...I was recently in Europe, and was taken aback by the widespread, palpable and *open* resentment there is against Muslim immigrants. This wasn't the case as late as 5 years ago."

Sounds like they are waking up. Where was this?
More than one country? And which cities? It is useful to have that sort of info to use in another venue.

desu
You wrote: "Ironic that you guys always make the comparison to WW2. We'd have lost WW2 if everyone sat around in their underwear typing smears"

LOL. If the current level of mealy mouthed Liberalism was running the US during WW2 the war would definitely have been lost.

Dead on
"Gabby writes: Sunday, July, 01, 2007 8:22 AM
Oh..and
of the title "..liberals, nutroots, and terrorists.." I assuming "nutroots" refers to the Rockefeller republican elites and their sycophant writers here at Townhall along with their knee-jerk mindless drones that drool over them."
--
What a bunch of hooey this dude is spewing, lol. Makes you wonder why there are even GOP candidates running for Potus, being as how with this type of thinking rampant in the GOP there is absolutely no chance of Republicans ever having control of American government again, at least not this century.
The only "nutroots," to use the author's own term, are people who buy into this spiel here at TH. That's why I don't debate people here, as they don't know how to debate like true adults. They within a few words always resort to name-calling and smear tactics. The truth is not their friend, if you don't drink the KoolAid then you're not worthy of life. They are afraid, deathly afraid, and the GOP uses their own fear to fan the flames of idiocy. I was once a Republican, in fact I was a long-time member on TH, but over the past couple of years, when the GOP became a party of everything NON-Conservative, I saw the light of reality, switched my username, and am now working towards true conservative ends. I'm trying to help my country, not cowering in fear, listening to talking headson the radio (who use you guys to make beaucoup bucks) every day for my daily fix of hate and glorifying the complete incompetence from my political leaders as something to actually admire. When any of you can debate without calling names or smearing, feel welcome to try.

TH libs, Part 3
Black Dog writes:

"...when Eric Rudolph was out blowing up the Olympics, the abortion clinics and the gay night clubs, he was protected, fed and housed by Christian sympathizers."

So tell us Black Dog, which conservative media outlets were supporting Rudolph? Which Republican politicians were trying to enact legislation that would make it harder for the feds to find him? Or block legislation that would make it easier to find him.

Which private conservative groups were suing the feds to get them to stop using the surveillance techniques they were using to try to find him, the way theACLU is trying to get the Patriot Act and the terrorist wiretap surveillance program voided.

You also wrote:

"At the end of the day - between the KKK, Rudolph, Tim McViegh, and the Islamic terrorists, it's the right wing that spreads terror and actually kills people and their supporters are the Conservatives and Christian Fundamentalists!"

(1) Selective memory is wonderful thing. It allows you condemn all of your opponents' sins without having to acknowledge the sins of your friends and supporters. Who was it that killed 76 people in Waco? I believe that was a liberal Democrat administration. The same administration that, armed to the teeth, broke into a private residence and forcibly arrested a six-year-old child against whom no charges had been filed and forcibly returned him to the prison camp know as Castro's Cuba.

And mind you, none of the "right-wing" individuals you describe, even if they happened to be Christians (the KKK were actually all Democrats) presumed to do so under the banner of the stars and stripes with the implication they were serving the people under an oath of office.

(2) No church and no "right-wing" group ever expressed support for the KKK, Rudolph, or McVeigh. But that doesn't stop you from not only branding all Christians and conservatives as terrorists, you even blame them for acts committed by others. If/when bigotted white people treat blacks this way you condemn them as racists, but its perfectly OK for you to do because... let me guess... you're black?

You are a disgusting hypocrite. Come back when you've grown up and learned to stop feeling sorry for yourself. To stop blaming all your troubles, perceived or real, on others.

voltaire/phylosefizer/demsset to sweep
Mr. voltaire: regarding your first post on immigration/ deportation of muslims; YES YES YES-we actually need to go further, perhaps changing constituition regarding freedom of religion, if that religion won't denounce murder to achieve its' ends. The threat is there, we have "embedded islamists " all over the place, and watch recent (and unfortunately, probable future) events in great britain to see potential calumnies resulting from unresticted access to WESTERN civilisation for followers of the "religion of peace". Regarding potential treason of liberals/progressives; I don't believe they are actively attempting subversion of our free democratic societies, they merely allow their naievete (sic?) and unrealistic idealism to place emotion over logic, and "see" a world as they wish it, vs. the world that exists.-PHYLO Se Fizer-- sounds sort of like terror sympathizer, huh? To DEMS SEt TO Sweep-Oh, and black conservatives with brilliant minds, e.g. thomas sowell, walter williams, colin powell, condi rice, etc. aren't accepted and cherished by we right-wingers ? I feel america has EVOLVED past bigotry and fear -why don't you try it? Both sides, let's stop the name calling and personal attacks and focus on restoring america to what it was and will be again, the pinnacle of growth, freedom, liberty and social advancement of the people, and the greatest achievement of the greatest culture on earth, that being WESTERN EUROPEAN JUDEO-CHRISTIAN. Of course, that will really anger the multi-culturalists and moral relativists now won't it ? Let them go sit in piles of camel dung in Gaza, Darfur, or Zimbabwe and recite all the scientific and moral accomplishments those other cultures have achieved.

For nolongersilent
I hope you're wrong. I don't think I have the stamina for 7 more of these.

Black Dog
Well, you have finally hit on my last nerve!! I am an "old" lady from the south. I can guarantee you that none of my relatives, (kin, in my neck of the woods), were members of the KKK. In the little town that I grew up in, and it was small, there was never a cross burned. We were all God-fearing people, which you seem to decry. When I grew up the philosophy was "I won't bother you if you don't bother me." That was all well and good back then, but with the prevailing attitude of "you", which includes jihadists, illegals, baby killers, etc., we can no longer stick our heads in the sand, or elsewhere, and must look reality in the face. We are at war, we are vulnerable. We can no longer ignore the fact that, indeed, America is not loved by all. In fact, there are those who want to do away with us and our democratic way of life.
Well, I seem to have gotten off track about your slanderous words about the South, which of course you will deny, but what the heck, we know better.

Voltaire
Thanks for the notice.

I'm not that religious, but even the casual outsider, even an atheist or an agnostic should at least know the basis of Christianity.

If not, then their claim to being intelligent and being able to figure things out is a joke.

the Islamic threat
All of the responses to my original post have been about how I just don't get it––that the Jihadists are a real threat.

I don't deny that there is some threat from the Islamic world. Our differences are in terms of degrees. My contention is that, while there is a threat from radical Islam, it is no where near an existential threat to the United States. (Please understand, I'm not saying that the existence of some individuals might not be threatened; I'm saying that the existence of the United States is not threatened by these people. Amazing how many people will say "Tell that to the victims of 9/11 Phylo.")

A lot of you have built the Islamists up into a threat on par with the Nazis and the Soviet Union. That's nuts! The Soviet Union was a true existential threat to us. They literally could have destroyed this country with the push of a button.

The Nazis were a serious threat. They were militarily taking over and occupying countries.

Until the Islamists achieve this level of threat, we simply need to contain them and we need to improve our intelligence gathering abilities, while working through softer channels to remake the political climate in the Middle East. And most importantly, we need to NOT panic or overreact, like Bush did.

Judging by the posts on this thread, a lot of you need to calm down. Cooler heads will prevail. Think about it: the chances of any of you actually being killed by a terrorist are practically zero.

And for God's sake, there is no reason in the world why the government shouldn't have to get a warrant before tapping someone's phone. The idea that it's too cumbersome is simply wrong. Under current law, the government can get warrants retroactively up to three days. If there is an argument that they need more time, fine, ask congress to pass a new law. But giving the White House unlimited authority to tap people's phones is a asking for disaster. The worst thing we can do to ourselves is allow corruption to get a strong foothold in our government. We need to hold our government officials accountable.

Phylo out

What, no rebuttal?
I'm still waiting for a lib to respond to Voltaire's post of 1:27.

What's the matter? No takers? I guess unvarnished facts are too strong for you guys on Sunday.

yankee
Thanks for the slander. You don't see me calling people names. You could use one, I guess.

Yankee
After you whimper about insults you procede to insult all Republicans.

You say you once were a Republican and that probably accounts for how you managed to stumble your way over here from CodePink.

What Communist euphemism do you cower behind now that you have openly gone over to the other side?
Are you a;
"New Democrat?
"Progressive"?
"Democratic Socialist"?
"Socialist"?
Or should I just use the generic "Communist"?

Good riddance. I wish we could get rid of all our RINOs.

I hope you enjoy your new associates, NAMBLA & ACLU.

Phylo
It's not that simple dude. Waiting for the Islamics to do something here in the US (didn't they already drop the World Trade Center?) is not the way to fight a war. By the time the US got involved in WW2, Hitler's armed forces were at their zenith, as were Japan's. If France & Britain had intervened in the early years of Hitler's reign, Germany would have been stopped in its tracks. If FDR had somehow convinced Congress to take action against Japan in the mid 30's when they invaded Manchuria, they would possibly have been stopped as well. Waiting for a possible attack from a potential enemy has proved to be foolish numerous times in history.
Now the situation is quite different. This enemy has brazenly stated that the US will be destroyed, along wiht Israel and all the people subjected to their fanatical cult.
What more do you need? The next attack may be nuclear in nature. Are you willing to be sitting in the target city when that happens?
Get a clue.

Phylo (2)
Another thing, unless you are saying things on the phone that are a reason for you to be arrested, what the hell difference does it make if somebody is listening?

MyOpine
I like your post to yankee. Maybe there is something there about the NAMBLA thing. LOL

Part 4
drivebyposting writes:

"As long as the right wing continues to insult people's intelligence and integrity first, and then same something second, the right wing will be as impotent as Bob Dole without Viagra."

The "right wing" doesn't "insult people's intelligence first". We first recommend defeating terrorists.

We only get around to identifying the lack of intelligence on the left after the left assaults our policies and/or interferesw with the defense of this country.

And driveby, we all know it's far more mature and useful to insult the sexual prowess of an elderly disabled war hero than it is to insult the intelligence of people who insult disabled war heroes.

Voltaire: Re your 1:27PM post!

E X C E L L E N T!!!!

With your permission, may I copy and paste your "list of liberal idiocy" at a later time?

No doubt there will be other threads that will cry for your post...

Job well done! :-)






My Opine (2)
From what yankee has implied, he is probably on the Ron Paul bandwagon.

Craig C.
When I spoke of open resentment towards Islamic intrusion in their culture, I was speaking of Switzerland, Italy and Austria.

I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that these are three countries that are not on a fast track to Eurabia--especially the first two. People there have become outright hostile to foreign invasion--both to the invaders themselves and (especially) to the politicians keeping the doors open.

Now, Switzerland has a leg up on all this, since they determine their own immigration policies, not being part of the EU.

Not so much Italy and Austria, for the opposite reason--but the level of autonomy they still enjoy is more and more influenced by an open anti-immigration stance by all but the most out-of-touch intelligentsia.

Consider: you go to the airport/train station/restaurant there, and those behind the desk, handling your luggage, serving tables, heck, even manning the toilets are native citizens. They know they don't need a massive influx of foreigners with different values often at odds with their own, and they are doing a darn good job of remaining self-sufficient.

Do the same in Britain, Holland or certain parts of Germany and France, and you get a wholly different picture.

This is why, when we speak of "Europe" we need to remember that, EU notwithstanding, we are talking about long-established and very different nationalities with different attitudes towards the problem.

Another case in point: Denmark Vs. Sweden, vis a vis Islam--literally apples and oranges. And the recent turnaround of France may also speak in favor of this awakening.

Anne
Glad to see you show up! You've missed some fireworks.

Anne,
Yes, please be my guest, and feel free to add some that I have certainly missed!

wiseone: Actually, we don't

...."insult people's intelligence first". We first recommend defeating terrorists, and then simply remind them of their inherent LACK of intelligents.

How right you are!




Phylo Se Fiser/ Terror sympathizer
I happen to live in colorado springs , home of norad, fort carson, the air force academy, and two air force/space command bases. Don't tell me the chances of being a terror target. I'm certain the innocent civilians in the twin towers, or any cleaning ladies at fort dix thought they were inviolate also.Until we get serious about PRO-ACTIVELY confronting the threat, we are all in danger. Recall these savages strap bombs to their own children, and lob rockets at israeli elementary schools. They place arms caches in tents with RED Cross markings, and hide bombs in mosques.I sincerely believe it's time to bring back the neutron bomb and develop scenarios for isolated attacks where they live, similiar to tom tancredo's suggested threat of a u.s. response to any attack with nbc weapons as our complete destruction of mecca.

Voltaire
Hopefully the with a new PM in Britain, and the sudden attacks there, some of their policies will be changed for the better.

Craig C
I was not joking about NAMBLA & ACLU being major contributors to the DNC.

http://hollycrud.com/2006/10/nancy-girl-wants-old-gays-with-young.html

Toss in George Soros and you have the DNC finance.
They OWN the Democrat Party between the three of them.

Voltaire: Thanks.

You may have forgotten one or two, but I certainly can't think of what they may be at this point. However, I think you have the bases pretty well covered.

I am really impressed! (And so should the "laftists." LOL)




ex-canuck
I like the Mecca thing. My best friend in California has been talking about that for a long time. Don't destroy it, just make it deadly radioactive for 1,000 years.

NOBODY is listening on the phone
The terrorist telephne surveillance works like this.

Computers monitor the number of times a domestic phone number receives calls from certain overseas numbers that are suspected of belonging to terrorists. It is only after a certain number of calls from such a suspect number have been received that the trigger is tripped. This trigger will cause a human intelligence official to evaluate the domestic number and only then, if the official deems it likely to be a terrorists connection, will anyone actually eavesdrop on a conversation.

So unless you're getting numerous calls from overseas no one at the CIA or FBI willbe listening to you.

It is EXACTLY this kind of misinformation that drives the misbegotten attitudes of the left.

And Phylo, there IS a reason the government shouldn't have to get a warrant for every phone tap. It's called national defense, or as in the Constitution, "a common defense".

And no, there is NOTHING in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights that forbids a wiretap. There is only a guarantee against "unreasonable" searches. It is only the left's over-reliance on judicial activism that causes them to, in knee-jerk fashion, instinctively assert that all searches must have judicial warrants.

Finally, the statement "The idea that it's too cumbersome is simply wrong" is nothing more than a baseless personal opinion of someone who is totally uninformed about the program, how it functions, and the nuts of bolts of the timing involved in implementing it.

Craig C: Yeah! I think I walked into

a war zone! Yikes! :-)

It's like walking into the middle of a battle and not knowing where to pick up! Whew!






MyOpine
I know you weren't joking. I watch O'Reilly almost every night. He is all over the NAMBLA thing as well as the ACLU. Here's two:

http://www.stoptheaclu.com/

http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/stokjok/




Craig C: Uh oh... the ronpaul thing?


"From what yankee has implied, he is probably on the Ron Paul bandwagon."

Actually, it's not really a ronpaul "bandwagon" it's more like a ronpaul tank, but with no purpose or reason. LOL (But I think you're right about yankee.)






nolongersilent: Re Nutroots!


You can add Roberto to that list. :-)



nolongersilent: What did I tell ya?????
.

nolongersilent...Sorry, didn't notice
you already had him on the list... but he can be there twice! :-) LOL



Actually, Roberto should be PACKING

since he claims to be an "anchor baby" and since the shamnesty didn't pass... he could be going home with his parents.....SOON!





Wiseone
No, no, you got it all wrong. See, you are getting your talking points from the RNC, which is the root of all evils.

Here's how the program really works:

George Bush, Dick Chaney and Condoleezza Rice all have a devilish device on their desk called "N. E. O. C. O. N." which stands for New Extraconstitutional Ordeal for Conversational Overhraring in our Nation.

They each have a phone book for a major US city, and they randomly look up numbers, which they enter in their NEOCON. As soon as the number is active in a call, they put on their headphones, and voila', they hear all the tawdry details or your life and mine. Truly frightening.

But wait. When they only overhear recipes, marital squabbles or dinner plans, they relay them to Good Housekeeping, Dr. Phil and the Michelin guide, each of which must send a contribution to Halliburton (brrrr... Halliburton!).

And... when the conversation *may*, just MAY be suspicious, they pass the call to the uber NEOCON central, which is manned by none other than (shudder) Karl Rove! At that point, the evil one himself presses a red button and an extra-secret SWAT squad launches from a black helicopter and *wham* the two interlocutors are never seen or heard from again...

Scary, uh?

Robert
I was not discussing the law.

I was discussing the mechanics of the program, which I have described accurately and correctly.

There is nothing in the program that guarantees the "evidence" won't be thrown out of court if a judge decides the "search" was "unreasonable".

Learn to read.

And, lest I forget, keep displaying your ignorance Robert.

A LOGICAL SOLUTION
A logical conclusion to the question of how Liberals and terrorist in America work together is the fact that the Democratic Party is the party of GIVE IN, AND GIVE UP! Terrorist love all of the civil liberties given to them by stupid legislation proposed by Liberal elected officials at all levels from city to national, and most of all by Liberal judges that think their job is to make new laws based on their feelings at the moment.

rr

Anne
I converted the file to pdf (Voltaire's)

Great Commentary...
For what ever reason (probably hatred of President Bush) DEMPAR and the rest of America's gaggle-truck just dont get it....

..so, an even greater threat to the West than Jihadi, are the feeble minded liberals who will do and say anything to accomodate our enemies....

What the US media doesnt want you to
know

Judge orders man to leave Irvine mosque alone

Worshipers say they reported him to authorities after he asked to become a convert and began talking about jihad.

By H.G. Reza, Times Staff Writer
June 30, 2007


At the beginning, worshipers at the Islamic Center of Irvine said, they thought Craig Monteilh was just an overzealous convert when he criticized U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. But when he started talking about jihad and dropped oblique references to violence, congregants contacted authorities.

On Friday, an Orange County judge issued a restraining order barring Monteilh from going near the mosque and its employees. Members of the mosque testified Friday in court that the FBI opened an investigation earlier this month.

An FBI spokeswoman declined to confirm or deny that an investigation was underway.

Monteilh, 44, has not responded to numerous telephone calls and e-mails seeking comment and did not appear at the hearing. He told mosque members he worked as a personal fitness trainer.

In interviews and testimony at Friday's hearing, four men said Monteilh appeared at the Islamic Center in September and said he wanted to convert.

Mohammad Elsisy, a mosque volunteer who teaches Arabic, said Monteilh wanted to be called Farouk Monteilh and appeared eager to learn about Islam.

But earlier this year, Monteilh began shifting religious discussions to jihad, or holy war, talking about "operations" against U.S. military targets, and suggested that he had access to weapons, said Ashruf Zied. No weapons were seen, Zied said in an interview.

"I said, 'Dude, stop right there, What are you talking about?' " said Zied, a software engineer who said that he was born in Ohio and that his father worked for NATO. "I was trying to steer the guy in the right direction. He was talking about something that's taboo."

Zied, who testified at the court hearing, said that he was frightened by Monteilh's rhetoric, and that it was the last discussion between the two.

They used to socialize, but after that talk, Zied said, he changed his phone number so Monteilh could not contact him.

Former Islamic Center president Asim Khan testified that several worshipers felt threatened by Monteilh and that he talked about getting involved "in a 9/11-type operation."

Some stopped attending mosque because of him, Khan said.

"We're members of the American community, and it's our duty as Americans to make law enforcement aware of these activities," he testified.

In an interview, Elsisy recalled driving Monteilh and another Muslim to Friday prayers at King Fahd Mosque in Culver City. The three men discussed the war in Iraq.

"It was a serious discussion. But when [Monteilh] asked if we knew of an operation because he was ready to help us, the conversation stopped," said Elsisy, an architect.

Elsisy said he and the other man reported Monteilh's comments to mosque officials.

The Islamic Center of Irvine has had a contentious relationship with the FBI. Members believe the mosque is under surveillance, a charge that the agency had denied.

J. Stephen Tidwell, FBI assistant director in Los Angeles, presided at a town hall meeting at the mosque in June 2006 and assured the community that there was no monitoring going on.


http://www.latimes.com/news/local/orange/la-me-muslim30jun30,1,4211787.story?ctrack=1&cset=true




Anne
How about a "Ron Paul Horse Drawn Cart"? LOL

Daily Kuz....
If you read the Kuz you find that "Sci-Fi" informs their world view and fiction is their daily bread.

It is not clear if they constantly post the same "Sci-Fi" or if each repeats the thought of the other by some form of "mental" tell-a-pathy.

I know that a virus has infected their program and they are stuck in a fatal loop. The truth can not innoculate the left from this faithless ignorance.

Robert
You wrote:
"Oh should I add the American people are tiring of all of this and are poised to sweep the Democrats to power in all branches of government."

You can add it, but it doesn't make it true.
And what would you have had the Bush administration do about the Israel Lebanon thing, since you brought it up?
Are you saying that going into Iraq was bad, but interfering in Lebanon would be a good idea?
You are all over the map, dude.

cyt
Ever think that Craig Monteilh was planted by the FBI or CIA? Just a thought. It's another way to keep 'em honest. But since they knew (or thought) they were being watched, of course they would be suspicious and not agree to Jihadist activities. Right?

Robert
Why a C minus for "the mechanics"?
Just asking....

Voltaire
"At the same time, relax prosecutorial rules against any and all who incite Islamic-inspired violence in the USA."


I reported this site before for inciting violence against Fellow American citizens. You are not immune from prosecution just by hinding behind your computer ya know.

Something to think about anonymous posters...


U.S. Internet defamation suit tests online anonymity


Sat Jun 16, 2007 9:25AM EDT
By Jason Szep

BOSTON (Reuters) - It bills itself as the world's "most prestigious college discussion board," giving a glimpse into law school admissions policies, post-graduate social networking and the hiring practices of major law firms.

But the AudoAdmit site, widely used by law students for information on schools and firms, is also known as a venue for racist and sexist remarks and career-damaging rumors.

Now it's at the heart of a defamation lawsuit that legal experts say could test the anonymity of the Internet.

After facing lewd comments and threats by posters, two women at Yale Law School filed a suit on June 8 in U.S. District Court in New Haven, Connecticut, that includes subpoenas for 28 anonymous users of the site, which has generated more than 7 million posts since 2004....

"I've said in my blog the most vile posters on that board are two subpoenas away from being outed," said Leiter. "This led to much amusement by the anonymous posters on the board.

"But they are about to find out that this is how it works."

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN1529267420070616


Robert
GOP fundraising is down because of the border issue and the Illegal Infiltrators, not Iraq.
Still lost, and happy as a clam?

Good Liberals & Bad Liberals
I don't have problems with the good liberals.

It's the bad liberals who tell us there is nothing to fear, and then without drawing breath go on to say that it's because of the war in Iraq etc.

There is so much double-think going on. I have discussed this with a relative, who is a good socialist, and she agrees with me.

It appears as if there is a lot of hand-wringing going on in certain sectors of the media, to try to deny that there is a threat.

The fact that the bombs didn't go off, for them is proof that it is not a real threat. If the bombs had gone off, they would be walking up and down the streets with "Iraq Out" placards.

Only of course, they can't reuse their "Tony Out" placards because Mr. Blair has already left office. See a pattern emerging here?

Robert
You wrote:
"interferring" in Lebanon...? What do you have in mind there? "

I don't have anything in mind there. It was you who said that the US was allowing that situation to get out of hand.
You still have not said what the US should do or have done to fix things there.
Or is it the typical Lib stuff: Criticize all day long, but don't figure out a real solution.

Robert
So you know Arabic? What did the jihadists say to Condi?
Enlighten us all. We are waiting with bated breath.

Spades
I really don't get it, this inability of some liberals (not all) to call a spade a spade and condemn the threat.

Once we have got this out of the way, THEN it is possible to have discussions about foreign policy.

Hey, maybe the UK/US presence in Iraq isn't a good idea. Maybe the world will be a better place once we have left.

It is perfectly possible to have a debate along these lines - don't you think the MoD and the Pentagon debate strategy?

We can have a debate.

However, until people admit that innocent people are being directly targeted by maniacs, and stop adding the "because-we-are-in-Iraq" qualifier at the end, then it it simply isn't possible to have a proper debate because it is loaded from the start.

Oh, Phylo
I noticed that you didn't answer a single one of my questions. Why is it that you and others with your views cannot bear to talk about the murder of Theo van Gogh? You all talk and act as though it never happened.

For you, it is as though we are walking near a cliff and your worry is that we will get too close to the edge, slip over, and slide down to fascism.

For me, we are walking on a ridge and if we go too far in one direction, we will slide down to fascism, but if we go too far in the other direction, we will slide down to Islamofascism.

And right now, thanks to people like you who are dominant in our media and schools, Islamofascism looks a lot more probable than ordinary fascism.

Hi Craig
Good to see you on the board.

I will be away for a few days soon, so I won't be able to respond to many blogs.

Hopefully my identity is obscure enough that the burglars aren't reading this blog ...

cyt
You are a work of art. Where do you get off claiming that anybody here is inciting violence against a particular person? The story you quote is about two females who were personally attacked. It is rich that you think Jihadists who act in anonynimity themselves by wearing masks and hiding in mosques can receive the same protection as those ladies.
As a matter of fact, there is a bill in Congress right now that will prevent lawsuits (frivolous as they are) by such as the likes of the Immams who were outed by the passengers on the airliner and forced to take a different flight.
This bill will be of course immediately become blanket protection for all who would suffer such ridiculous claims.

cyt
What does that have to do with Baseball?
It is not relevent to the World Series!

Do you feel someone has threatened you?

Greg England
LOL
I won't tell them where you live!!

Greg England
You wrote:
"However, until people admit that innocent people are being directly targeted by maniacs, and stop adding the "because-we-are-in-Iraq" qualifier at the end, then it it simply isn't possible to have a proper debate because it is loaded from the start."

That is exactly dorrect. Anybody who thinks the the US/UK presence in Iraq is the reason for terrorism and the Jihad is ignoring history.
I've posted this before, but for the newbies:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

uncledave
I hope that was sarcasm.

Craig C: Ah, we've figured out that

with everything Roberto claims to have done, and all that he knows about because he's been there... he has got to be 800 years old.

In fact, I think he once alluded to helping Moses part the Red Sea. LOL

Yet, he claims to be an "anchor baby."

Roberto is our own "Walter Mitty." :-)




JFP
Don't expect much from phylo. He loves to spout.
As for the choices of fascism, I will take the one that is not based on a false religion.

uncledave
LOL

Robert
Islam was based on the idea that men are uncontrollable animals. That is why the women are forced to wear the head scarves and cover themselves. Hence, your words about the disrespect shown to Condi. It's interesting that even today, with most of the world being *civilized*, these animals *beasts* are not.

Robert
You have an annoying habit of calling everyone "stupid" but then you write this

"The Brits have some of the most "police friendly" anti terrorist lasws in the country."

Uhhhh...just what 'country' would that be...?

Robert
You have still not said what should have been done in Lebanon. You only say what will not work. Try to get out of the Lib mode for a while and come up with some real solutions.
Or is it easier to just criticize?

Greg England & Craig C:

"...."because-we-are-in-Iraq" ..... US/UK presence in Iraq is the reason for terrorism and the Jihad is ignoring history."

Geez, I HATE to bring this up, guys, but that is exactly why the ronpaulists (among others who believe that insanity) make me ca-razy!!!

It has nothing to do with who we are or where we are or where we or any other country has been.. It's the radical Islamic ideology!

But wait, we'll soon be hearing from Roberto... and of course, he'll know more about it because he's been in Iraq and Iran and probably claims to know ahmadinejad and his gang, etc. LOL

Okay, roberto, bring it on. Enlighten us!








Voltaire
I guess we all see Perra Negra for what he really is, a name calling Lib with thin skin.
LOL

Black Dog
"It was THE LEFT who trotted out a legion of defense lawyers for these dangerous animals."

"Yeah - that darned Constitution - always getting in the way!"
========================================

SO YOU BELIEVE TERRORISTS AND ENEMY COMBATANT5 DESERVE THE SAME CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS AS THE CITIZENS THEY ARE TRYING TO KILL!!!

TYPICAL LEFTY.

Robert
And I wasn't "cheering from my home". I actually thought it was stupid from the beginning, and that Iran was the real threat, even back then.
Happy as a clam, you are so lost senor.

Black Dog: Getting a little testie,
are we???????

I know, when you've got nothing, and someone shows you up, there's no place to go but attack and name call. It must be so frustrating!

Maybe you should think about changing your mind set...at least you'd be on the "intelligent" and "correct" side, out of the darkness, and you won't have to be so angry all the time. LOL

Then you could change your handle to "White Dog."







Here's what we need
Here's the kind of analysis I like, from anyone.

"Here's the problem.
Here's what we do about it."

For example, if global warming is your thing:

"CO2 causes the earth to heat up.
Let's build more nuclear reactors.
Hey, that will help with energy security as well!"

Straight to the point. We don't need a 90 minute movie about inconvenient truths romanticising nature etc.

Just build the bloody reactors.

Robert
You wrote
"Unwind the words said on the immigration debate...aka ruining our culture etc etc and you have the same words that OBL and his followers use to describe what they percieve is being done in the mideast by western influence brought on by what they view as corrupt Arab governments that are a function of the west, particularly the US"

The only reason the US is there is for the oil. Once that is gone, they can go back to their sand castles and camel dung.
But when they start attacking innocent civilians in the US, that is where the line is drawn.
And you either have not gone to the link I posted, or you choose to ignore the history located on the website it links to.
Bin Laden can say all he wants about the US & UK taking advantage of the *poor innocent* Muslims etc etc.
The US has only been in existence since 1776. How do you justify all the mayhem that started in 642AD?
Until you answer that, all the rest of you spiel is specious.

Now for terrorism
In the same vein:

There's a bunch of nut-jobs out to get us.
They've been causing mischief for years, but 9/11 was their rallying call.

We need to do X, Y and Z to stop them in their tracks.
Hey, that will help improve the lives of ordinary Muslims as well


There you go, I've provided you with a template.

Robert
Many of the other Conservatives here are Vietnam & Iraq Vetrans and I am a WW2 vet.

I am beginning to get a little irked by a lilly livered girly man like you setting at your keyboard and calling me a "Keyboard Commando" and pretending to be a great ME military stratigist.

MyOpine : THANK YOU !!! :-)
.

Robert
You wrote:

"The intensity is different of course. Most of the far right are keyboard commandoes...these guys are willing to take up weapons and fight."

Really? Is that why the *far right* (of which I am not a member) are such stauch defenders of the 2nd Amendment? Does the 2nd Amendment protect our keyboards? Hmm. I'm confused.
Robert, help me understand how my arsenal and ammunition makes me a keyboard commando

Robert
So how many *Far Right* preachers have you heard rail about women? I'm curious. And where and when? The circumstances are important, I believe.

uncledave
Navy, DD in the Pacific.

Robert
You wrote:
"The folks from Hamas were not doing it as part of their religion, rather it was their method of debasing the US and what they think we stand for. It didnt ahve a lot to do with religion and had a lot to do with politics."

So you are admitting that Hamas has NO LEGITIMATE REASON to be opposing the US in the Middle East, except US support for Israel?
Clarify please.

Wait a minute...Did Roberto actually

post that Iran wasn't "a problem until the "axis of evil" speech...then it was."

Did I understand that correctly?

I do hope that I misunderstood that! (But then it's so hard to figure out what roberto is posting and/or referencing... ???)

Because if I did understand what he said, then he absolutely gets the "TH Stupid Post of the Day" Award. Not to be confused with the "Column Stupid Post of the Day" Award!

But, I do hope that I didn't understand what I think he was saying...





War
"Many of the other Conservatives here are Vietnam & Iraq Vetrans and I am a WW2 vet."

Good point MyOpine.

I don't think much of this idea that somehow you are not allowed to comment on warfare unless you are currently on the front line.

I have a huge amount of respect for our armed forces (I'm from UK).

But this chicken-hawk stuff doesn't cut it with me. As Clausewitz will tell you, however, "war is a continuation of policy by other means."

The public need to debate foreign policy, because ultimately we elect our leaders to make foreign policy and direct our military.

Our leaders also commit a sizeable chunk of national resources to defending our countries.

If they get their calculations wrong, then it impacts on our security. Mistaken foreign policy decisions can even lead to world wars and conscription thus blurring the line between civilian and military anyway.

That is why it is valid for everyone to be involved in the debate.

The debate is open to liberals, conservatives, pacifists, military etc.

I don't have a problem with liberals stating that they disagree with current foreign policy and this is what should happen instead.

I do have a problem with liberals trying to close down the debate by playing the military card.

And anyway, even the military doesn't soley consist of a front line. What about logistics?

Are you going to close off the debate to everyone who isn't currently sat in a hole somewhere in Iraq?

MyOpine
And by the way, my comment was supposed to be in support of you - don't misunderstand me please!

:o)

It is difficult to capture emotional nuance in text given that we type in real time (as opposed to having an hour or so to review the meaning)

Robert
"We should have relased a lot more money quicker (along with some supplies) to prop up the current government....we should have told the Israelis to either do their little gambit in the southern part of Lebanon better or not do it at all...politically they got their hat handed to them and didnt accomplish all that much militarily."

The Left always wants to throw money at problems.
Isn't part of the problem with that the fact that there is so much graft?
And believe me, from the military analyses I have read, Hezbollah was trashed, militarily by the Israelis.

MyOpine
All respect to you sir.

My complaint was in support of you, but it may have read like I was criticising you.

Which I was not.

Hey Libs
Why is it your party whose statements about the war are alike? The Libs/Dems sound like modern day Tokyo Rose. They all sound alike in their pronoucements against the war and insulting the troops. Al Qaeda's political wing is here.


KC

Greg England
As I see it, the debate is open to everyone with an interest.

Did you get the note I left on your blog?

The myth of money
One of the interesting myths of our age is that money can solve problems. You only have to read about Zimbabwe to see that money is a red herring.

Wealth comes from infrastructure, legal property rights, government of rule by law, work ethic, national identity (i.e. a super-group that avoids tribalism) ... it's very complex.

An injection of money from an outsider can give people the opportunity to turn their lives around, but without proper structures all you are doing is keeping a corrupt system alive.

Greg Eng.: Just wondering what's going

on that we might not be hearing about on this side of the pond.

FOX is pretty good about keeping us "informed" but I always like to hear from those who are close to the "action."

Col. Hunt (Ret.) was just on FOX (a regular FOX News contributer) and was saying that it's only a matter of time before we get it... again.






Greg England
Friendly ripost here. You wrote:
""CO2 causes the earth to heat up.
Let's build more nuclear reactors.
Hey, that will help with energy security as well!""
Actually those who say CO2 causes global warming do not understand physics and meteorology. CO2 is a product of warming, as opposed to the cause.

http://www.wecnmagazine.com/2007issues/may/may07.html


Robert
"If you thought it was stupid from the start, congratulations...you got one right."

I get almost everything right, when it comes to foreign policy, world affairs and history.
I don't need you to be OK with me. I need you to understand that you are a lost lamb who needs guidance to the promised land.

MyOpine
Yes I read it - thanks for your positive feedback.

I appreciate what you are doing.

You are military and you accept that everyone has a valid input.

And you are defending civilians like me from people who play the military card and use chicken-hawk type rhetoric.

Okay, so ultimately it is easier for me to sit in the comfort of my room and be hawkish.

But why is that any less noble someone sitting in their room appeasing terrorism?

And no, I am not accusing anyone today of doing that. But people do that all the time.

Incidentally, one of the reasons why I was respectful to Hal was not that I agreed with his opinions.

But as far as I could tell, the guy was ex-military and he was also being respectful to me. So I thought it might be worth at least listening to his analysis.

Baby and bathwater spring to mind ...

Greg England
Good template.

Craig C
I am not supporting the global warming hypothesis. I'm a bit skeptical as well.

However, I personally think that it is irrelevant to the debate - Al Gore hasn't thought it through.

Regardless of whether man-made global warming is real or not, we still need nuclear power.

Sort of:

(Man made global warming is real) * (We need nuclear power)

+

(Man made global warming is not real) * (We need nuclear power)

=

We need nuclear power


Global warming is a red herring, and nuclear power covers all bases - energy security, CO2 etc.

It's a red herring.

Anne
You know as much as me. I haven't been out and about today - only my local shop.

Next time I go to a train station, I'm sure I will see extra security.

A relative who lives in London told me that it was chaotic.

But that's all I know.

Robert
"The only reason the US is there is for the oil.
...

OBL's mouth and does come out of it frequently.

His claim, which you neatly encapsulate is that the "west" is raping the mideast for really its only natural resource, and in the process is polluting its culture and bringing all sorts of horrible things to the mideast (like our music etc) ..."

The idea that it is somehow raping the area is specious, at best. The huge amount of money that has poured into the area as a result of the oil has been nothing but a benefit to the area.
It is not the fault of the US that the people and their government(s) have squandered those funds.
And they are not required to adopt Western stlyes and culture.
And Bin Laden cannot justify killing thousands of people by claiming that Western influence will somehow destroy them. What a crock.

Ken Livingstone
Sorry I'm a fast typist - I don't want to dominate the board.

Someone mentioned Red Ken at the start of this blog.

Here's one of Ken's less glorious moments:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/05/15/uchavez.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/05/15/ixnews.html

Robert
Many Americans have died in every war.
No life lost defending America is ever wasted.
If you think their lives were wasted then you do not deserve the freedom they fought and died to win for you.

Freedom is not free.
Someone must always pay the price.