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Sunday, April 29, 2007
Kevin McCullough :: Townhall.com Columnist
Why Feminist Mommies are like Pimps
by Kevin McCullough
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Feminist "mothers" are more than willing to expose their daughters to indecent and even dangerous elements. They will do so for no more of a reason than to simply make a buck. And in doing so they create an interesting comparison for traditional parents who want more than anything to simply spend time with their children. This is the ultimate debate between progressive vs. traditional values, and the children are begging for parents to get it right.

This last week amidst the many infamous pieces of audio to emerge in the headlines, none was more reviled than the voice-mail leaked by Kim Basinger to the gossip website TMZ. On it Alec Baldwin, father of their daughter Ireland, is heard expressing his frustration with the "system" that only allows him to be in contact with his daughter twice every seven days, and for no more than 30 minutes at a time. Alec has admitted that in doing so he crossed an inappropriate boundary and spoke things to his daughter that he shouldn't have. Baldwin has also apologized to his daughter, as well as to the public via "The View" on the Friday broadcast.

Women callers on my radio show reacted to Baldwin's outburst with compassion. It is easy to ascertain by listening to the recording that Baldwin is a father who is being manipulated in not being allowed to have full and normal access that God designed a father and daughter to enjoy. Divorce lawyers are like a damnable curse on society and in the Baldwin case seem to have succeeded on driving a complete wedge between father and daughter. Any decent person understands that parents say things they don't always mean but they also understand that good and decent fathers, "would chew their way through a concrete wall" to spend time with their kids.

The liberated feminists in our society see this as the ultimate victory. Eliminating men from the lives of children in their book is a very good thing.

But is it?

Are feminists of any higher caliber when it comes to parenting and wanting what is best for their children? We are told they are, and the slimy divorce lawyer/judge system sees to it that the fix is in.

Another story hit the headlines this week but did not get the graphic portrayal of the Baldwin case on cable, radio, and gossip pages on the internet.

It was a small story about a split between actresses Lindsay Lohan and Keira Knightley. They had been working on a film together in London when Lohan, for unexplained reasons, quit the project. The film was to begin shooting in early May. It was also reported that Knightley's mother Sharman McDonald became furious at Lohan's exit. McDonald - Knightley's mother - had written the screenplay.

The hook that had been used to stir up interest in the project had been the fact that McDonald - Knightley's mother - had written into the script multiple love scenes, nude ones that involved Lohan and Knightley (her daughter.)

With Lohan exiting the scene the project would be delayed and thus it would cost more money to complete and the profit margins for those involved go down.

In the hundreds of media reports that carried the four paragraph story not a one of them drew attention to the idea that anything was out of the ordinary here.

Pardon me for not being so easily convinced.

In a week in which the majority of the world focused on a father's voice-mail, for no one to draw a conclusion concerning this story seemed at the very least completely hypocritical.

Here is a mother, who seeks for her own gain to put her daughter on screen, disrobed and in sexual engagement with another girl - for the pleasure of complete strangers. In other words, she's pimping her daughter, for the dirty minds of those who would pay money to see such projected on large screens.

Is that natural? Does such a desire - for money - ring true to the heart of traditional mothers and the purpose of motherhood?

We often forget certain things, certain basic things about life. As parents part of our job is to protect our children. There isn't a decent father or caring mother reading this today that would allow some greasy-haired Southern California porn producer to come entice our daughter to perform for him on screen no matter the amount paid. But now the same kind of sleaze is being encouraged by mom?

While there were many feminist groups that took easy advantage of Baldwin's comments, not one has criticized McDonald. And wasn't part of the feminist movement supposed to be about stopping the exploitation of women for the prurient interests of men? What does it say when a feminist is the one doing the exploitation?

It is of no surprise that a new survey finds that young people now more than ever are experiencing a "deep yearning for traditional structures and values."

For some time the modern feminists of our society have done all they can to minimize the influence of men, assuage their own conscience for the break-up of their homes, and have turned to sexualizing their children. The simple mantra of impulse living (if it feels good do it) is taking its toll on those we love - our children. And we are charged with preparing them for life.

The world would be a better place if divorce lawyers were "swimmin with the fishes." It would be a sublime place if decent fathers were allowed, and encouraged to see and spend time with their children - as often as possible. But I would settle for even a dignified world - one in which mothers didn't take on the worst feminist attributes of porn producing pimps and rob their daughters of decency, privacy, and dignity.

Perhaps then we could give our children what they truly yearn for!

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Kevin McCullough is the nationally syndicated host of "'Xtreme' Radio and columnist based in New York. He blogs at www.muscleheadrevolution.com. His second book "The Kind Of MAN Every Man SHOULD Be" is in stores now.

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Musclehead
" the voice-mail leaked by Kim Basinger to the gossip website TMZ. On it Alec Baldwin, father of their daughter Ireland, is heard expressing his frustration with the "system"

You write Baldwin was frustrated with the system. Then he needs to direct that anger at the system, not his daughter.


"... so he crossed an inappropriate boundary and spoke things to his daughter that he shouldn't have"

Inappropriate? That is a mild word to describe his outburst, while not only at the wrong person, his daughter, but was verbally and emotionally abusive. This is an 11 yr. old. A parent should not be abusing their children in this manner. I'm somewhat surprised that you dismiss this behavior as just inappropriate.

With this completely misdirected anger at his daughter and the threatening sound of the voice mail it sounds to me that he has an anger management problem. Don't you think he needs to address that issue?

While I certainly agree that this tape should not have been released by whoever did so, his behavior was outrageous.

I'm not sure this is a good example of feminists trying to keep their children away from fathers just to get rid of the father from the child's life.

His appearance on the View, a nasty program with nasty Rosie O'Donnell to make an apology seemed like more exploitation of the whole situation. He needs to receive counseling and have a reconciliation with his daughter under the proper venue, not the View. His apology had a number of comments in it that were all about him. There is absolutely no excuse for his behavior.

Your second example of a mother pimping her daughter for sexual exploitation in a movie is a far better example of what you write.

It is actually worse: Sex as a Weapon...
Seriously, I think we have a generation of greying prostitutes who are now using thier children for what they, themselves, are now too old to do.

We always had pretty girls around. Young women went to college dances and then as women moved into academia in the 1950's, many (not all) went to college for the "Mrs" Degree. There was the secretarial pool of future corporate wives and the "boiler room girls" who often married politicians.

What started happening in the late '70s and hit with avengence through the supposedly conservative Reagan era was that these women, whose sole qualification for anything was their sexuality, demanded to be respected for something other than their sexuality.

Contrast this to someone like Condi Rice, who is legitimaely fluent in several languages, was Provost at Stanford without a scandal (that has come out yet) and who can play the piano better than most. Agree or disagree with her politics (and I think we need to support Israel more), she got where she is by legitimate qualifications and legitimate hard work.

I am talking about the women who, as it was stated in the '80s before men stopped daring to state such things, "slept their way to the top."

The male sex drive, like gravity and electromagnitism, is one of the strongest forces on earth. Women demanded and women got - and all was fine because they were young and attractive and literally able to use sex as a weapon, as Pat Benitar sang about back then.

But then they hit the big 30 and then the big 40 and now are looking at (or beyond) the half century mark. Some, like Cheryl Crow and Ann Coulter who have talent other than hairstyle, are increasingly popular amongst certain circles. But for the rest, you can only divorce your husband once, you don't have the body anymore to be a tease, and if you never were anything other than a sex object in the first place, what more ls left?

So now they are using thier chidren as proxies. It isn't that they are just "pimping" thier children - although they clearly are - as much as the rest of the things they are doing to them. Three decades into the battle of the sexes, only now is the other side starting to fight back.

And I again state that the middle shall not hold. The same thing that led to the feminist movement of the 1960s - overeducated and under/unemployed women of the 1950s realizing that their lives were being wasted - is going to come back with avengence. There are a lot of men forced into early retirement, separated from their children, generally treated as second class citizens and mad as h*ll about it.

Watch for the coming Social Security budget crunch to create a cleaving of the welfare net. And watch to see just how far many of these women fall without it...

Baldwin
He blew his cool and acted like a big jerk. So what? It's HIS business to work out with his daughter and it sounds like he is doing so.

I sure would hate to be living life under a microscope, with each action being scrutinized by all. Wouldn't you?

In other words, this whole subject reminds me a lot of Hillary's ... it takes a village to raise a child BS.

It is none of our business.

And in the Soviet Union, one always had
.. to uphold the principles of Communism. For example, you couldn't just say that your boss was an incompetent drunk -- but you *could* (and I am told Pravda often printed letters stating) say that he "fails to uphold the principles of Communism by being an incompetent drunk."

So too here. We live in an ideological age and the ideology is political correctness.

Peppermint said: His appearance on the View, a nasty program with nasty Rosie O'Donnell to make an apology seemed like more exploitation of the whole situation.

Or was he paying tribute to the feminist movement? If he worships at the altar of radical manbashing (i.e. Rosie 0'Trashcan) then it is OK. He has purchased his indulgences (remember Martin Luther's thoughts on those...) and he can go forth and be the person he is.

It isn't that you actually respect women as much as that you pander to their leaders. Bill Clinton comes to mind, and I am quite certain that GWB isn't doing half the things that BillUnZipped did --- yet who polls better with women? Women still support Teddy K for that matter...

Peppermint also wrote: He needs to receive counseling...

No, he (and the bimbette he married) both need a swift kick you-know-where. They are reflective of far too many in American culture right now, and I keep coming back to what Bob Dole said of Clinton and "a generation that never sacrificed..." We are living in a gilded age and gilded ages end! And then????

Disgusting
This column is beneath even to low standards of TH. The guy hasn't an inkling what feminist mothers are like, only that he hates them. He probably beats his kids and hates them too.

Incorrect....
The Knightley movie does NOT have any lesbian sex scene. The report claiming it does is totally false -- a rumor started by Lindsay Lohan's publicity people, but denied by everyone else.

Again, there is NO lesbian content in the film cited here.

Therefore, no one's mother is exploiting anyone in this case, and half of this column is based on something that isn't even real.

Someone needs to veify his facts before going on a rant.


Hillary's qualifications?
Hillary Clinton is unique in public life in that she is the FIRST serious candidate for the Presidency whose sole qualification is whom she married.

Other than the Rose Law Firm (and I would take W's driving across a few lawns in K'Port over this) what exactly has she done in her own name?

Run for the Senate - like she would have had a chance if her last name was Smith. And other than getting all the highways in her neighborhood widened and rebuilt (I was there), what did she accomplish as Senator?

She "married well", what else has she done?
Enough said???

What does this mean?
Does this article, along with the current five star ranking, mean that more conservatives are beginning to break ranks with those who believe fathers, especially divorced fathers, are a public enemy, and are finally going to admit that parental alienation is just another form of child abuse?

This article sounds like something I wrote several years ago, but then I'm a father who, though I did not file for divorce and have committed no crime, have not been "allowed" to see my own children for seven years and running, while the mother has admitted to using one child in a fraud and perjury scam, is a pedophile, and comes from a family of pedophiles.

Since the only thing the state wanted from me was money, and the mother was free to pursue her own interests, referred to as "the best interests of the child", it is not hard to understand why I have claimed the mother, as well as the state, are "pimping" my children. Of course states go along with this scheme because the federal government pays them to break up as many families as possible, including but not limited to an 8 or 10% kickback for every dollar of "child support" collected.

And yes, this is most certainly the feminist way, i.e. the next best thing to aborting a child is to p*mp it out for the financial benefit of a female. However I submit that it is not "divorce lawyers and judges" that have cursed us with such a system, but it is more accurately the Bar Association(s) lust for money and willingness to p*mp children to satisfy an insatiable greed, in accordance with feminism, that has our children yearning for us to decriminalize fatherhood.

pirate
Yeah, the the Baldwin/Bassinger couple both need a swift kick in the butts, but Baldwin also needs anger management which the court may mandate for him. And, he will get a swift kick in the butt from that program. An anger management program is not going to coddle this big mouth abuser.

Whether he was pandering to Rosie O'Donnell's feminist views or not, it still is exploitation of the situation. Most likely, he appeared on the view because it is mostly feminist bullsh*t, and he figured he'd get good coverage on there. After all, every news program carried the clips of him on there with the charming Rosie. He even patted her knee, I guess to show what a really wonderful and good guy he is. He got the sympathy he was looking for with the likes of Rosie O'FoulMouth. Makes me want to puke.

bizenya
A crushing riposte, if true. Your post is far above the level of the usual libs, who post generic stuff which pretty much ignores anything stated in the column. A reader could scramble their posts and scatter them at random through the comments and they would make just as much, or as little, sense. You wouldn't be a moderate, by any chance?

feminist pimps
That conservatives are anti-intellectual is apparent by the voices they choose to represent them...they choose idiots. Case in point, this column's writer. To label an entire group, i.e., feminists, as pimps is just an attempt to create a negative association with the group...there was no real thought or reflection put into the column. Same ol', same ol' from the conservatives...nothing thoughtful to say...just an attempt to label and divide, create hysteria within their clucking chicken followers who are scared of their own shadows.

I'm confused
In what way are these women extolling the virtues of feminism? I am confused about your word choice. I thought that feminism was about giving equal opportunities and respect to women. That is the way I am a feminist and the way my husband and I are teaching our daughters. When you speak of women mistreating women and bashing men, you are not speaking about feminists. I wish you would find another word as it denegrates the ideals of feminism and is in fact quite misogynistic. There are no feminists who would act the way you are describing. None.

Blame the Greatest Generation
You people defeated the Germans and the Japs, to be sure, but you were so determined to give your kids the things that you didn't have that you produced a generation of spoiled, self-absorbed brats. They set about defying you, as spoiled children will.

You defeated the Germans and the Japs, but you couldn't prevent your children from overturning just about every principle that our society held dear up to then.

In the process, it has so weakened our defenses, so that we could not ward off the Socialism that enjoyed its rebirth under Roosevelt.

So now, we amoral people everywhere, worried not how their actions impact those around them, but wallowing in narcissism. Children aren't a blessing, to be nurtured and tended as the generation to succeed us, but are an accessory, like a designer handbag.

It will take years to set things right, probably as many years as it takes all of the Baby Boomers to die off, and any of their children who are as spoiled as they are, or worse. Things may never be the same.

You should have spanked them.

Hilary delenda est.

Gently99....
I am actually rather conservative....
But I also happen to be a huge movie buff, and I know the facts surrounding the film in question here. It's called "The Best Times of Our Lives", and it's about the Welsh poet Dylan Thomas. The movie is based off a play of the same name, written by Knightley's mother, who happens to be a well-regarded playwright in the UK. The lesbian nonsense all started because Lindsay Lohan, who is a geyser of trouble, told some tabloid that the film has "lesbian undertones", even though it really doesn't. From there, the whole thing grew into "lesbian sex scenes", even though there really are none.

I have nothing against Kevin McCullough, or his views. I merely wished to point out that these tabloid reports about the film in qustion are totally incorrect.



Why Contact May Be Limited
I know nothing of the Alec Baldwin situation other than having seen his phone conversation run xxxxx times on television. Is he a movie star?

But a father's contact with his child may be properly limited if he has shown inappropriate behavior with that child or other children in the family, for example rageful behavior, physical assault, inappropriate touching, showing inappropriate materials (such as sex books or videos), allowing the child to be present when he is engaged in sexual or drug-involved behavior, etc. And when this happens---when his contact is limited by a judge or when he is allowed contact only in the presence of a supervising person---he is very likely to react by complaining that his rights as a father are being violated.

Fortunately we have passed the point in society where a father owns his family and can treat them as property.

MaryMargaret
You are feminine, not a Feminist. The term Feminist exists in the public's mind as being represented by the crew of man-haters (an inordinately high percentage of whom were/are lesbians) led by Betty Friedan. There are many of these people still out there, and they call themselves Feminists. The indefensible politically correct dogma of these misfits palled within a generation, as the ticking biological clock suddenly brought through to normal women who bought in to this drivel, that they actually wanted to have children and a supportive man in their life. Being in favor of any person, male or female, reaching and expressing their full potential on the way to happiness is not Feminism. Its fairness.

Fathers and divorce
Thank you Mr. McCullough for pointing out that while what Mr. Baldwin said to his daughter was inexcusable, it was obvious that he had been pushed past his breaking point. Mr. Baldwin was merely venting the frustration many divorced fathers feel. There's no question that there are a lot of deadbeat dads out there, but there are also a lot of deadbeat moms, too. Moms who have no qualms whatsoever about lying to and turning their children against their father merely to satisfy their own bitter ends. My husband went through a dreadful divorce and never once got an even break from the court system, even though he had the children, whom his ex-wife had deserted without a second thought or a look back.

Keep up the good work.

The problem
With current custody and child support is that the child is not really considered. Mandatory visitation is not allowed, the mother can pull all sorts of shenanigans to deprive her child of tiem with the other parent, and the father is told he must hire an expensive attorney, and all he can hope to get is a court order, which is just as good as the divorce decree.
Visitation and child support need to be tied together, both mandated and enforced.
Far, far too many children are being brought up with the idea that the only value of a father is in the monthly check to the mother. That is bad for society, very bad.
By the way I did raise my children thru their teen years at a time that support was not enforced, and not given. I still encouraged their relationship with their Dad. The divorce was between us, not the kids.

Pimping?!?
OK, let's put things in perspective...

First of all, to read this little rant, you would think that this was a XXX porno being made here. It is a film about the famed Welsh poet Dylan Thomas, not exactly the most scandalous material. The wild lesbian sex romp is purely a product of McCullough's imagination.

As has been stated above, the talk of lesbian scenes is just a RUMOR... Even a teensy little bit of research would have revealed that. I went to the film's IMDB page and was able to find a link in the discussion forum to the interview with Rhys that sparked this rumor.

You would think that McCullough would stop for a SECOND to do a little bit of research before plowing through an article, but that's not his style! If you read his articles there is always a strawman, a fictional bad guy like that dastardly imaginary liberal who wants to persecute the poor Christians, or the homosexuals who want to turn your kids gay. Let the facts be damned, I've got a point to make!

Liberalgoodman
What do you teach your kids? How about this list of liberal feminist favorites: time outs instead of a slap on the behind, self-esteem enforcement, competition bad, guns kill, turn them into little adults with Ritalin, gay tolerance in kindergarten, man is responsible for global warming and the destruction of our earth, the US is responsible for all the problems in the world, thank God for daycare, it is our fault that he terrorists hit the twin towers, the wealthy is the reason why we are poor, children do not need fathers, whites are racist, whales are worth saving but it is OK to kill a baby in the ninth month, free health is a birthright.

The result of all this "good intentions" is Cho Heung Sui, your typical self-absorbed, depressed, anti-social, human-hating, no respect for life, paranoid, blame society for my problems psychopath.

Gently99 and MaryMargaret
Here is the best description of NOW I have ever heard: It is a collection of unmarried women to whom nature has been unkind. Translation: This is the home of ugly women who cannot attract a man.

Right On Hound Dog
You hit several nails right on the head. While I don't know all the details of the Baldwin-Bassinger problem, wasn't he the one who said that if Bush was elected he would move to France? I assume he still lives here in the good ole USA. I tire of these liberals who blame the United States for every problem in history back to the extinction of the dinosaurs and yet have no problem with benefitting from our successes and way of life. On a side note though I feel sorry for their daughter who has to go through this mess at such a young age. We are destroying the next generation, people, if we don't get a better handle on how we raise our kids.

old fashioned or reasonable?
I wrote the following comment in reply to Kevin's blog at:
http://kevinmccullough.townhall.com/UserControls/g/26ab04d5-97be-4c86-b77d-a91dab50403d&comments=true#commentAnchor

His blog last week (Tuesday, April 24, 2007)was titled: "Keira Knightley/Lindsay Lohan love scene, penned by MOM?" It was posted by: Kevin McCullough at 5:59 PM
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My comment's title was:

"old fashioned or reasonable?"

I don't find the sentiment expressed here particularly "old fashioned", as sensible.

This is the new paradigm for evil, selling movies like this-which would probably a few years ago be classified as porn films-to a generation basting in moral confusion, and relativism.

As for the actresses, how do we know that Ms. Lohan did not have a moment of emotional/mental clarity? Maybe the true-to-yourself ethic made her realize she didn't want to play a lesbian or be in such a film..

In either case, it was Divine Providence (God, and His grace) that allowed her and the other actress not to, whatever the details of that situation..

As for the other actress, I never liked her very much anyway, as I always got the impression she was a bit taken with her self and her appearance..I suppose this can be said for many actors, or people..but it always seemed to me she was an actress just a bit too self-possessed, impressed? So, I made sure to miss her in Pride and Prejudice, and would rather an older production.

People are fond of saying "like Mother like Daughter", so I have to wonder who is exactly influencing these young girls.

The idea that someone's Mother-the very person who should be protecting her child in this life- is urging, and writing things to help create a scenario where her child (whatever age) is morally compromised is a tragic thing to me..

I understand this actress is of age, and that her Mom is just one influence, but, to me, this is not far from a parent filming their child tin pornography, or aiding in some other sullied tale, like Dakota Fanning's Mother did..

One could argue that these women..living amoral lives are already compromised, because the are worldly and living in the world without God in a real way, so are just doing more hedonistic living. But even years ago, there was more of a limit, and people did not advertise-with heads held high-doing these kinds of films..

I think the blame also falls on previous film actresses, and celebrities, who have paved the way for these kinds of things.

Names in recent past that come to mind, as women who sport ill repute include their contemporaries , Britney Spears, and that whole group of under 30 set of fast living girls..

Their path was paved by those "trailblazers" of moral depravity, Madonna, Sharon Stone, Demi Moore, Annette Bening, amongst others..

They were apt to walk around nude, in print, and on film, at the drop of any hat. They were also the ones, some who gave a nod in film, or in their stage shows, to the death-style of homosexuality and lesbianism..

One could argue that these kinds of things go back to the adulteries of old films stars, like Elizabeth Taylor..

But the fact remains, our culture is vastly becoming a sewer-like one where wholesome moral values, God's plan for couples, families, and individuals, and just normal human decency, is a being laughed at and pummeled away.

Welcome to Rome, 2007..

It's tragic enough that Liberals began killing their kin in the 1970's, now they have their Mothers indoctrinating them and initiating them into lesbian life, and so called "love" scenes.

These "rights of passage" are a window into the new mind of liberal parents today.

Tragic and insane..

Just deaf dumb and blind to evil..

Unreal..

McCullogh Offensive
The headline on this is extremely offensive with its use of the word "pimps." Putting "mothers" in quotes is also offensive. If conservatism degenerates into name-calling and sloganeering, then we conservatives are in deep trouble. I wrote a column early this morning (click on name above) talking about the traps we conservatives like to fall into and McCullogh does it big time. Remember the last election? We lost it badly? The lesson some people seem to have learned is that if we can only offend more people that somehow we will do better at the polls. I have a hunch that mothers, liberal or conservative, tend to identify a great deal with the challenges facing them. Let's build the base, please, not shrink it. The talk show mentality exhibited here -- "We're good and you're evil" -- is childish and unproductive.
TH can do much better.

steve maloney
ambridge, pa

For those interested
I just posted Chapter 17 of Juliet's diary on my blog.
http://peppermintsplace.townhall.com

Steve I agree
There's not much that I agree with Steve about, but this is one of them.

If the conservatives feel that this is the type of thing that is going to get you more votes, you are in REAL trouble.

Don Imus is gone Kevin McCullough should be gone.

There are a lot of conservative writers that I may not agree with, but I respect their writing ability.

Kevin, you talk about divorce lawyers should be swimming with the fishes. You aren't any better. "If it bleeds, it leads." Your not even as good as that. If you have to rely on headlines such as this to get your columns read, you are not a journalist.

What a waste of space.
Taking the actions of two Hollywood alien spawn and their career-minded mothers and using them to paint a picture of feminism is practically borderline retarded.

A true femnist would never encourage her daughter to be the sex machine that Lohan strives to be. A real feminist would send her daughters to college and make sure they never needed to depend on anybody else to make a decent living in this world.

Teaching brains over beauty, not vice versa.




McCullogh's Folly
I noted the picture of Miss Lohan the word that she's doing well in rehab. However, I don't see what that has to do with "feminism." I would like to thank the many people who came to my site (click on name above) and wrote comments about my column blasting McCullogh's piece. It's true that I did call it "troglodytic" and "misogynist" -- which I realize are serious charges. My point was that people like McCullogh drive women (and men possessing at least one brain in their head) away from conservatism. My assessment is that McCulloghs article, including its obnoxious title, would offen all feminists, liberals, and moderates. It might offend only 80% or so of conservative women. Not bad for just one essay, right?

steve

IT'S FINALLY COME TO ME
Kevin obviously wasn't very popular with the ladies while growing up, and now he's using the power of the pen to exact retribution.

Mr. Buck
Mr. Buck clearly does not understand the conservative viewpoint...A good mother, i.e., a conservative one, teaches her children personal responsiblity. She wants terrorism fought so that our country maintains it's freedom, and she wants children in ALL countries to live in freedom. She teaches her children that all life is precious- "disabled" or not. A conservative mother teaches her child gun safety and is willing to fight for the right to protect her family from bad people. I can assure Mr. Buck that gun violence is most prevalent in those areas in which conservatism is NOT.
As for not wanting the least among us (wait-this from the party who thinks the least among us should be aborted or euthanized at any given time) to have gonvernmental aid, blah, blah...exaggerated drivel. Expecting people to follow the law, and wanting reforms in welfare and "governmental aid" so that people aren't sucked into genaration upon generation of dependancy is a GOOD thing. I am a proud conservative mother- thanks for reminding me of how great I am!!

Aww who needs moms anyways
I believe thats the gist of this nonsense. A good mother tells her son to come home with his shield or upon it. That's Feminism.

A new low
Kevin McCullough is the poster boy for my coming here less and less - he is proof that this blog is primarily made up of drunks, nuts, and idiots.
It's not even fun any more; it's just pathetic.

I forgot
Also dopers and fundamentalist crazies.

I'll say a prayer for Kevin, but I'm not sure it will help since God seems to have already abandoned him.

questions
#1: What is this idiot McCullough doing on TH? This used to be a site for serious journalists, now it seems to have hung out a sign for advertising for idiotic commentators as in this guy and Giles, for example. As in 'follow the money'.

So Alec Baldwin and his daughter don't get along and so he went on the rosie show to do whatever he did.

#2: WGAF?


BTW - Lindsay Loghan is a serious babe. If she gets through the next few years and bcomes a woman school is OUT.

My work here is done


Feminists.
Unfortunately, they join the growing list of malcontents who continue to debase society.


Visit: http://OsiSpeaks.com or http://OsiSpeaks.org

Pimping moms
I don't know what is scary Alec Bladwin or grown adults calling a stranger, idiot or moron, on a website. Anyway- Is what Alec Baldwin did not a good daddy move? Yes and unfortunately he chose to be a celebrity and the "leaks" go with the territory. The bigger issue is how AB's behavior has set back other dads. The are hundreds of ex-wives getting ready to use it as ammunition in a custody battle. As far as feminist moms pimping their kids, which is a horrible blanket statement by the way, we need to look at what we tolerate as a society. We are so caught up in beer, porn and reality t.v. that we have allowed more negative influences in our kids lives. So stop bitching about celebrities and put more effort into your own kids. And to the writer of the article, stop acting like the stereotype of a typical man. And finally to the dad who can't see his kids, fight for them, if she is an unfit mom don't put down your dukes until your children are with you. Trust me they're worth the fight.

Reply To Mr. Buck
Mr. Buck wrote: (Buck in quotes)

"and what are conservative mothers?
what kind of mother would support a party who allows other mothers' kids to die in a pointless war of aggression?"

A Mother who realistically understands that sometimes-in life- things happen that make wars necessary. But not because 'other mothers kids die', but because war has always been a part of life on the Earth since Biblical times, when it is warranted and merited.

A Mother who allows her child to fight to defend his country is not doing so because this makes her happiest. She is doing so, because she is a Mother who has taught her son enough about bravery, unselfishness and honor, to understand the decisions he's made, and respect him for doing it.

Such a Mother is not happy for anyone to die, but she faces reality enough to understand that a pie-in-the-sky mindset about true enemies will do nothing to thwart real Evil. She will sacrifice for the cause of some thing greater, the safety of a nation and its people, for instance, in order to see her brave child do the job others scoff at, and think shouldn't be done..

"what kind of mother supports a party that dictates how and when and why other mothers should give birth - even to disabled children? even to the children of rapists.?"

Mothers have as much say about 'how and when and why' they 'give birth' as anyone else involved as a consenting party. It begins with self control, and enough personal restraint, and self respect to keep one's legs closed.

Although we lost our babies early, I *am* a Mother still, and Mother enough to say that we support ANY party which maintains a position of honoring the reality, presence and sanctity of human life.

PARTICULARLY a LIFE that the woman -generally speaking-CLEARLY HAD A PART in participating in-in order to let this child be CONCEIVED AND, thus begin LIFE. Choosing to end a child's life-at anytime-while the Mom know full well this is a life this MOTHER has helped create-by God's grace-is an act nothing short of selfish and pre-meditated murder.

Suggesting a liberal Mother makes a noble choice by being freewheeling with her sex life, then murdering her baby, suggests nothing of either nobility nor Motherhood..

"what kind of mother supports a party that would allow guns to proliferate amongst children - and would do nothing to correct the issue - in fact, would fight any attempt at any control over dangerous weapons?"

Mothers do their duty best when they attend to who and what God gave them. We can all have opinions and have them heard. Weapons are only as dangerous as the people who have access to them.
By the same token, a person should have a right to self defense, and a Mother's not being a part of this decision that is being made in a foreign land is no less a responsible citizen, or Mother.
God calls a Mom to Mother her own children, not ever child of other Mothers that ever walked the Earth..

"what kind of mother supports a party that openly disdains any type of governmental charity or aid to even the poorest, weakest, youngest or oldest members of our society?"

Probably a Democratic Liberal Mom, more likely. As numerous studies show, it is the Liberal "elites" who have given the least to worldwide charities. Indeed it is the Christian and Conservative families, often those with one working parents and their OWN children, and less to give, who are the ones who OVERWHELMINGLY out give and out give-time and time again-'Progressive' types in society, and Democrat Liberals.

For you to make a dishonest broad and untrue generalization about an entire group as the Conservatives, and Mothers in particular, is not only shortsighted, it is not genuine, slanderous and inane.

The fact IS it is the Liberal Mothers who tend to be *so* bit by Feminism that they are shunning their men, killing their babies, and running off -to what they claim-are 'greener' fields..Their movement is based around power, but not the true, pride, misplaced anger, and resentment..Tragically, some women were duped years ago and this destruction has spilled out on their families..This bitterness and discontent..

These Feminists were sold lies about "controlling" men and that a child and family is some noose around their neck. When they shunned God's beautiful plan for their lives, they did twice the work..and about the same money..and had little to give and were pooped..These gals were often about striving for their kin. But many liberal Moms-in the public eye in particular-are selling out their kids today..Sadly, they don't even know it..

Don't ask us to be Mothers to the world..
We don't have Madonna or Ang Jolie's time or money..and besides..again..despite Hillary Clinton's 'village', they aren't our kids! Which is not to say we don't care-or aren't in some sense feeling responsible for *our* wrongs, but that's not the same thing..So like the Liberal standard to lie and then blame THEM for things they never did..

"What kind of mother supports a party that would allow the children of illegal immigrants - sometimes legal themselves - to suffer the sin of the parents. to go without medical aid. to go without an education. to always live in fear?
what kind? a conservative one. i.e. - a bad one!"

How the heck do you blame 'ALL Conservative Mothers' for some OTHER Mother or Father's sin of irresponsibly BREAKING THE LAW and then backing that up on the backs of Conservative Moms, as opposed to Liberals?

I thank GOD I did not have a hippy-dippy Mom or Father, and I can tell you, so MUCH of their reserve, restraint, modesty and respect towards others (Not to mention their ability to PROPERLY ACCESS BLAME)did me a WORLD of GOOD.

The 'hippy' in my family, my poor renegade Uncle, a dear fellow who was raised in a family of girls, a baby when his Dad ran out, is still reeling from the 60's to this day. The man is a basically good soul, with his fair share of age old wisdom, it's not to say the 60's didn't scar him or he has not done a few bad things(haven't we all)..But TRUE maturity is based on an honest assessment of our wrongs..and looking at how we can change them and make good..

I think poor Unc had been a victim of a lot of Liberal brainwashing, and that whole mess that latched on to a generation with him..

You know the one..

Stepping into the edge of adulthood, still in tender youth..Having that youth shaken and cracked open and distorted via drugs..and other 'mind altering' experiences..Only to be exposed to ideologies, and thoughts about 'war' and 'world peace' that are not based on real thinking, or true threats or what's really happening..

Just a whole personal undoing..
Via music, 'experimentation'
Sex in the wrong ways and out of bounds..
Then an additional lie sold about 'rights',
not real ones, and more about war..

Mix it all together, but now sell it in lies in textbooks and media, and pump it to another generation, along with Eastern religions, and paganism, and other witchery, and you have a bit of what we see nowadays..

Only worse, and greater..

All because Liberal men and women continued to think and speak as you have here today..

And I resent your implication, Buck..

As neither I, nor my Mom are what me or my family would identify as "bad" Mothers..










This article confirms it
McCullough is in fact from Mars.

Increasing ignorance from McCullough
I have to say I am once again disappointed in the argument Kevin McCullough is trying (but failing) to make. Here you have on voicemail an out-of-control abuser threatening and insulting his own daughter, ranting about his intention to "straighten her out" all the while exposing the fact that he didn't even know his daughter's age. This is a man who doesn't give a rat's behind about his own offspring, and his after-the-fact crying about only wanting to have a "relationship" with her is laughable. Her only value to him is to replace his ex-wife as the person in his mind he is entitled to control. How can this possibly be compared to Keira Knightly and her mother, both adults, where no abuse or control is taking place? This behavior is abhorrent in my opinion but the only crime would have been if she had subjected her daughter to this type of behavior had she been a minor (meaning having her daughter do love scenes as a child ie Dakota Fanning) but there is no evidence of that. And also, how does Kevin conclude that these two women are feminists or that their behavior is caused by feminists? They're in show biz; of course they're shameless exhibitionists, what can you expect from Hollywood?

And what's with the ridiculous statement, "The world would be a better place if divorce lawyers were "swimmin with the fishes." It would be a sublime place if decent fathers were allowed, and encouraged to see and spend time with their children - as often as possible."

That has got to be the dumbest statement in the entire article. No, the world would be a better place if there were fewer DIVORCES, not divorce lawyers, what do the lawyers have to do with it? And then he puts a plug in for all those "decent" Sunday fathers, well if they were so decent, then why did they get divorced in the first place? Decent people work through their problems and do not leave their spouse to let their children be raised in single parent homes. There are some exceptions, of course, but there is usually no excuse for a man who can be a "good father" to his children but not a good husband for his wife. Sorry guys, but kids belong with Mom in their formative years and that's just the way God designed it. After they're grown, well, then the kids can choose for themselves who they will engender relationships with, and if Dad says Mom had all those years to "poison their minds" against him, well that's the price for not sticking it out. And that will never change. So Kevin, stop blaming the so-called "unfair treatment" guys get in divorce court on the lawyers and the feminists, and place it squarely upon the behavior of those getting the divorce in the first place. Behavior such as calling one's child a "Pig," for example.




gently99
Your caricature of "Feminist" is straight out of the Rush Limbaugh Playbook. Why didn't you just yell "Megadittos!" and safe yourself a lot of writing?

And the old canard that a feminist is a woman who is too ugly to get A Man was gently laid to rest about 45 years ago, in case you weren't paying attention (too busy getting drunk and chasing Wimmin I suspect).

A feminist is a woman who wants a place at the starting line without anchors tied to both feet, does not demand a three lap head start, and takes full responsibility when she hits the wall on Lap 39 and exits the race before its end -- or is not qualified to take the green flag in the first place. All she wants is a chance to make the starting line regardless of what kind of genetalia she may sport, or how big her boobies and blonde her hair and long her legs.

If you are still judging Wimmin by these latter attributes and branding all the rest of us Feminists, you need to move out of Mommy's basement, graduate from college, and go to work. You'll meet many different women who act in many different ways, and the first feminist beauty you interview with and ask "What's a pretty girl like you want with a job like this?" probably slap you right across the chops.

McCollough joins the Liberals
'The liberated feminists in our society see this as the ultimate victory. Eliminating men from the lives of children in their book is a very good thing'.

I read all the time in Townhall how 'Liberals' tend to generalise rather than conduct a sensible debate on an issue.

Does this silly article mean that McCollough has joined their ranks?

And Baldwin. He needs serious therapy for his insane outburst against an 11-year-old.

By the way, 2/3 of children killed in America are killed by another family member, not by an insane, faceless stranger.


Do Hillary a favour
"conservative... a troglodytic misogynist".

I've thought that for years :-) and today's article(sic) by McCollough just goes to prove it.

Make him press secretary for the next Republican presidential hopefull, (please, please).

Thanks to gently99 & oneway
Thanks to you for the good info concerning what was, and was not involved in the script that got McCullough howling here. It is always nice to get the facts and not fall for the fiction...no matter how it would fit our views of others.

As to the glossing over of Alec Baldwin's behavior, as a conservative I find that most apalling. We are rightly concerned that we protect the unborn from death, but we still have to protect the children that are here from abuse. Alec Baldwin's rant at his daughter, if not abuse, walks right up to the line. I do not care hw badly he gets along with his ex-wife, that is no excuse for raging at your child that way. It was not the "system" that pushed him tothat point, it was his inability to control his anger that caused it. Alec Baldwin is no victim in this scenario!

I have been in a situation similar to this, when my wife and I seperated a few years ago. I had to go through court ordered mediation to get a custody/visitation schedule in place; drin the preceding time my contact wih my son was basically controlled by my wife. I wasn't spending as much time as I wanted with him, and I was frustrated and angry with her for putting us into that situation. But no matter how angry at her I was, he never heard it from me. I didn't call him names when I didn't get my way, and I didn't call his mother names in front of him. I did my est to behave like an adult and things worked out fine in the end. Alec Baldwin acted like the self absorbed egoist I always suspected he was.

I understand that the system is rigged against men when it comes to child custody, but do something to change the system...not scream at your kid and talk bad about her mother. I don't know why the judge in the case had his visitation so limited, but this may give us a glimpse why.

another hooker loving republican resigns
will you neo-kkkons please give it up! the anti-prostitution promoter TOBIAS getting a rub down from a prostitute! oh the hypocracy is disgusting!

mishaz
Too bad fruits like Barney Fagg don't resign after their gay lover gets popped running a gay wh0rehouse out of their aparatments!

Too bad bribe-takers like William Jefferson don't resign.

Too bad Impeached liberals don't resign (Klintoon, Alcee Hastings)

Too bad gay perverts like Gerry Studds don't resign after taking a minor to Morrocco for a bout of gay sex.

What's WITH you liberals and gay sex?

Handy
Your post on Sunday at 1542 was DEAD-ON!

Irresponsible breeders AND slack disciplinarians for the most part. HOWEVER, in their defense, they were enabled by idiots like Dr Spock who put out volumes of pablum on child-rearing that weakened discipline. The feminazis also started their attack on the family then as well.

gay sex is ok gunny
lets not condone sex with minors because i give dont make me whip out the foley incident. or did that slip your mind.

but hooker sex is not especially when its hypocracy

address hypocracy of tobias, gunny. if you dare. i know you know about it.

Mr Buck
Conservative parents teach their children that the greatest act of love is self-sacrifice for the benefit of another. Biblical parents go even further and put an even greater price on that sacrifice when it is done for someone who makes themselves your enemy or doesn't appreciate it... like you apparently.

So basically to answer your question, conservative mothers send their sons to war knowing that there are principles more important than one person's life. They send them knowing that good men have always stood in defense of their families and country. They send them because they haven't taught them that the whole world revolves around their self-esteem or sense of self-importance. They send them because they know that even if the sacrifice is costly, the cost of not opposing aggressors is much higher. They send them because they believe such noble self-sacrifice is a personal responsibility that can't be passed off to someone else... namely, they send them because they haven't taught them to be liberals.

mishaz
I don't know about the person you mentioned. Enlighten me. BTW, wrong is wrong no matter who does it.

Do you know of a case where conservatives rallied the wagon around someone who was obviously in the wrong about something like this? If there is such a case, it isn't the rule.

It IS the RULE with liberals. Studd did what he did then served for 20 more years in Congress. Mel Reynolds got supported by Dems and re-elected to Congress AFTER details concerning his affair with an underage girl were out. He was later convicted.

You condemn Republicans for having people fail... and rightly paying a price for it... Yet liberals do it and support each other in it.

mishaz
BTW, can you take a spelling/grammar class? Your posts are often as scrambled as the inside of your brain housing group. Let me know the cost and I'll take up a collection for you.

sjt18
BINGO!

When David Duke started spouting his racist garbage and got elected in LA on the GOP ticket, Bush 41 booted him from the party. The liberals not only embrace racists like KKK Byrd, they call them "elder statesmen!"

MrsV, regarding your response
To Mr. Buck, I only have one comment;

YEAH!!!!!!!!


sjt18... TOBIAS...
would not give funding to countries for AIDS prevention because they were educating sex workers/prostitutes about safe sex.

i write fast to not get in trouble at work, gunny.

MrsV
Thankyou! Only one caviat I would add. Wars have been fought since before what is considered biblical times. Even the caveman formed clans and fought! I pritned your post because it was and is so eloquent.

mishaz
Yeah, yeah, yeah so what about Tobias. Did you miss the news today? Yep Ol' Madam apologized for leaking. Doesn't matter though since Reps kick out the misdoers unlike Dems...they just promote them. As usual your talking out both sides of your mouth. Not okay for Tobiass but you'll defend Clinton until dying breath! Typical of libtards.

mishaz
What happened to the ol' line that it is a personal matter? What does it have to do with him doing his job? Okay for Clinton but not anybody else? HYPOCRIT!

Struck a Nerve
Over the weekend, my fierce criticism of McCullough's piece apparently struck some nerves.

On my much-visited blog (click on name above) there's a battle going on for "the soul of conservatism." See the exchange between liberal Jessica and (conservative) me. If you'd like to join it, be my guest.

steve

Handy
That's the best description of post WW2 life I've yet read- and I'm of the tail end of GG'ers
very well done, should be required reading for econ.101

And Again
Here we go again with the same tired arguments, all of having to literally lean around the elephant in the room to talk, and most not even noticing the fat grey thing there.

Our "conservative" women, especially the ones in church, have been infiltrated by what I call evangelical feminism. I've responded to Kevin's pieces about homosexuality with these same points.

We are so predictable, we jump on any moral infraction, and though we may have a moral point to make, we have little standing any more.

Our standing has disappeared along with more then half annually of our Christian conservative marriages. Divorce yields so many social pathologies and they multiply from there. Our whole family values message is corrupted by conservative and evengelical feminism which has the church tacitly approving divorce and telling men it is all their fault. Church is one big "fix men" movement now, glorifying women at every turn and admonishing men and fathers at every opportunity.

We get alot of traction bashing gays and the nude scenes in the movie he talked about, but what about your friend from Sunday school who leaves her husband "because he is a jerk"...whatever that means. We hear it and assume he is a cad, jump into the fray to support the new "single mom" (w/ all the sympathy that creates) and leave dad out to make twice weekly phone calls like Alec Baldwin.

The heart and soul of conservatism is being battled out in family court, and it is losing...big time. Until a preacher can say the words "divorce is sin" without qualifier and apology, knowing that the audience is well aware that it is provided for in scripture, until that preacher is not afraid of the women in the pews, our conservative movement is infiltrated by feminism and we are lost, just dont know it yet.

From Father to Visitor/ATM Machine
After three years of marriage, my wife divorced me. Privately she told me she was unhappy and I did not make her happy. Publicly she called me abusive. Blessed with an only son born May 3, 2000.

Without due process, but as a matter of routine, after a fifteen minute discussion before a Kane County, Illinois family judge (http://www.co.kane.il.us/judicial/assignments.htm), I was awarded four days every month to parent our son (every other weekend); ordered to pay $2,600 in support; $200,000 of my savings frozen; and, an order of protection entered against me for my wife.

After three years, one hundred court calls, $150,000 in legal fees, and three jobs, I lost a successful career; involved in a dozen incidents calling for police; imprisoned; filed for personal bankruptcy; car repossessed; and evicted from my apartment, but won joint custody in Illinois to which 17% of fathers win. Last February 2005, however, my wife in retaliation had my visitation suspended, and still the Kane County Circuit Clerk (http://www.cic.co.kane.il.us) refuses to accept $12,000 in proof of payments as credit for court ordered support paid.

I regret saying, "I do," but miss a son and wife.

Feminism
I hate feminism. Feminism destroyed my family. Dismantled business opportunities, and took away my church.

In the last forty years I observe feminism is about divorce, abortion, laziness, and selfishness.

A successful feminist does not support family or God, but she mostly upports luxury goods, diversity, and her pet(s).

The feminist's attitude is man bad, woman good. I observe this attitude in the media, at church, in courts, with law enforcement and in academics.

Hello Mark
Nice to see you over here from MND. I always wondered where the folks hung out. Thanks for joining this conversation. What seem like normal topics over there are not very frequently addressed here, so I work it in whenever I can.

Just another part of the war
D'Souza has captured the left , its, goals, intentions, and danger to America in his latest.

This article is concerned with just one facet of the Hypersexualization of Young Girls in America as reported in the report from the APA.

The far left and the sychophantic democrat party has and will sacrifice any and all aspects of American traditional life to reach their goal of a completely secularlized, hedonist, materialist, humanist, so called open society..including losing the war on terrorism.

marymargaret
Maybe this will help clear up your confusion about historical definitions of feminism vs. modern feminist ideology:

http://trishwilson.typepad.com/blog/2006/04/shared_parentin.html -
Here's an example from Trish Wilson's feminist blog, of a whole bunch of feminists celebrating the defeat of an equality bill. This one would have created a presumption of equal joint custody in New York State. But, the feminists on this blog (like Marcia pappas, President of N.O.W.-NYS) oppose the idea of equality for fathers.

Which means they (by which I mean the President of N.O.W.-NYS and her friends) only support equality when equality is beneficial to the group they claim to represent (by which I mean: 'people without a Y chromosome'). But that isn't "equality", that's prejudice, favoritism, assignment of benefits on the basis of gender - all the things feminism USED to be against.

((I've studied feminism at the university level, the first thing I learned is that one can not discuss feminism without defining EVERYTHING, the need for tedious and painstaking definition is an artifice designed to insulate feminism from any serious ideological challenge))

I agree with you that feminism SHOULD be promoting equality, but since I've seen that they've abandoned the core principles and noble traditions of feminism, I believe they should choose a new name for the modern "feminist" movement. I suggest "Megalogynism" and "Megalogyny" - the belief that all of the worlds problems originate in men and masculinity, and the world would be better off if women controlled everything.

Just for starters, in a megalogynist world we (well, women), could do things like: define mental disorders in ways that capture boys 5 times more often than girls, to justify pathologizing boy behaviors in order to administer mind controlling (and highly addictive) drugs. These boys would be unsuited to have positions of authority in society due to their established history of "mental illness", even as the drugs impair their natural learning methods and the "need" for the drugs attacks their self-esteem and convinces them that they are somehow "flawed" because they don't naturally act like "good girls"..... Gee, I hope I never see that world...

Kevin McCullough
Is an attention wh-re. Somebody else accurately identified Mike Adams that way, but I think McCullough is fighting for first place in that category.

The thing is, it works. All of the do-it-yourself historians and theologians swim right up to the bait and raise McCulloughs ratings yet again.

JoJo, you said in an earlier post
"Kevin McCullough is the poster boy for my coming here less and less"...so WHY, pray tell, do you still come here (and again at 6:15.) I know, it has to be that knee injury acting up again, huh?


Flagwaver, you said, "Thanks to you for the good info concerning what was, and was not involved in the script"...Like you, at first I thought the same thing. But then I wondered,did those posters ever actually SEE/READ the script in question? Just because someone who claims to be a movie buff heard via the grapevine and another who claims to have visited the film's web site/discussion boards may or may not be telling the whole truth either. Then again, Lindsay Lohan is not known for her brand of truth as well.

Troll party
McCullough must be an effective writer, the liberals have gathered at this website like ticks on a hound. I have noticed that they save their most bitter bile for the conservative writers who really drive their points home deep. It's funny. Not funny, haha, but funny, you people are losers, funny. Just can't keep from smiling.

Not ashamed
My knee is just great now, thanks for asking.


tedmug
Actually, there is something mezmerizing (in a sort of bad traffic-accident way) about Adams and McCullough - they remind me of those captivating, disturbingly strange posters they used to put up in front of what we then called "freak shows" - you know, lobster boy and snake woman. They were so repulsive, but we just couldn't look away.

Here's an even better example
The very first time, back in the 80s, that I was channel surfing and came upon a show by Jim and Tammy Faye Baker. I was so dumbstruck that it took me about 15 minutes to realize that it was not some kind of odd theater - I watched for a full half hour, not just at them but the people they were performing for. Once I was fully aware that the people involved were totally serious, I just had to tune in and gawk in disbelief from time to time.

Actually, when their humanity finally was revealed (against their wishes, I admit) I got to actually like them.

mishaz on the hypocrite tobia
The story just gets better and better. He was in charge of the President's task force to fight global prostitution. I can hear it now 'Good job Toby!'

Now let's see, Brownie, Miers, Gonzales, Wolfowitz, now Tobias...

Don't demonize women
"Decent fathers"? In a utopian society, I would agree that parents should have unfettered access to their children for the purpose of nurturing, molding, and loving. Please realize all children don't get "decent fathers". Mine was too busy chasing after HOs and indulging his own selfish needs and desires, living a complete second life, to provide a good role model or any actual hands-on care and guidance to his young daughters. I thank God every day for my strong, non-doormat mother. Is she a feminazi? No, but she taught my sisters and me not to tolerate verbally and emotionally abusive behavior for the sake of conventionality and societal expectations. We are better young women for not being subjected to our father's screwed-up, repressive influence. BTW, I wasn't turned into a Hippie Liberal, either.

Family and the Feminist
Since feminism begin in the early 1970’s

* about 41,000,000 children have been murdered in the U.S. (In each of the abortions, fathers had legal rights to stop)

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/graphab.html

* divorce rate in America is about fifty percent of marriage per year (one of the highest of the approximate 220 countries in the world, for example, the divorce rate in South American countries like Chile is about 2% per year)

http://www.divorcemag.com/statistics/statsWorld.shtml

* The marriage rate in America is declining.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-07-18-cohabit-divorce_x.htm

* Willow Creek Community Church, my former church, focuses on how to best serve woman (while they have 70 million dollars in the coffers, their sermons are filled with "men are bad, women are good" messages)

http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/fbns/fbns464.html

Today feminists prefer to promote themselves and gay rights than family.

http://www.now.org/nnt/11-96/lesbian.html

My personal experience is a statistic in the bigger picture.

Hey conservativation
I like to remind men that it's normal to be leaders in the family, business and government. Or at least that they know they lost certain rights and or opportunities. Some take it well others ignore, but at least they heard it once.

Because the feminist message (man bad, woman good) is heard every where, most men forget we ruled well for 10,000 years before feminism.

That men are still great inventors, scientist, teachers, fathers, and friends, among other thing.

Take care friend

Ruffolo
You Tarzan. Me Jane.

Grateful
Mr. McCollough has done the children of this country a service. I read most of the responses here but note that few of them really addressed the issue of how this affects kids. Most conservatives recognize that children come first for many reasons including the long term consequences on how it affects children and the moral imperitive to protect those who are defenseless (paternalism).

Baldwin's hateful diatribe to his daughter is indefensible, however, so is Kim Bassinger's for leaking this and exposing the child to more indiginties. Both are guilty, a pox on both their houses.

Having said this, it is time to re-focus on the person who should have been considered in the first place, the true victim, that being the child. From reading some responses I feel I need to remind those readers and posters that in divorce children are always the losers, always, no exceptions. As a conservative and religious person, I recognize the inviolate truth of God's Word.

And whoever receives one such child in My name receives Me;

6 but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.

7"Woe to the world because of its stumbling blocks! For it is inevitable that stumbling blocks come; but woe to that man through whom the stumbling block comes!

Now I ask you in the light of what Jesus said, whose best interest is served by separating a child from their parent? Judge for yourselves, is it from the grace of God that a child is denied both a mother and a father, whether through the selfishness of one parent or the incompetence of the family law legal system? Tell us now if you are so inclined, did God create government first or the family? Did God ordain the family or not? Did God create the family to be one adult and one child or did He create Adam and Eve to be the parents of children? Judge for yourselves what is right and wrong in the eyes of God, you have the Bible, you should know better.

Tell me now, how many people of the 2 million in our prisons and jails today came from broken families? You know the answer, single parent families. And who made that decision? You know that as well, the family law judge in each and every case.

How many children are abused every year in the US? You should know the answer, it's over 200,000 each and every nauseating year. And who does most of the abusing? You know it, but you don't want to believe as it violates every fiber of your being, it is women by 65%. Most of those women are single parents who engage in this behavior. Literally, half of all child abusers are hand picked by the family law judge. I don't want to hear any defense of the indefensable, you or anyone else has no right to abuse a child no matter what your gender or your rationalized excuse. Jesus made this very plain, you cause a child to stumble you are on the road to damnation. For those who don't like religious people like me, your religious intolerance and rationalization of child abuse is what will condemn you on judgement day.

I have seen the results of child abuse, there is no excuse, there is no rationalization you can offer that will be acceptable to either God Himself or any true conservative or religious person. The time for legal reform has come, if you will not lift your voice in defense of children, then you are no better than Alec Baldwin or Kim Bassinger. Put children first, demand an end to the family law system as we know it.

Feminist view of "The Family" & men
Taught in Women's Studies courses all across America today:


” How will the family unit be destroyed? …[T]he demand alone will throw the whole ideology of the family into question, so that women can begin establishing a community of work with each other and we can fight collectively. Women will feel freer to leave their husbands and become economically independent, either through a job or welfare.”

In “Female Liberation” - Roxanne Dunbarr

“The traditional flowers of courtship are the traditional flowers of the grave, delivered to the victim before the kill. The cadaver is dressed up and made up and laid down and ritually violated and consecrated to an eternity of being used.”

- Andrea Dworkin

“Heterosexual intercourse is the pure, formalized expression of contempt for women’s bodies.”

- Andrea Dworkin

“The cultural institutions which embody and enforce those interlocked aberrations - for instance, law, art, religion, nation-states, the family, tribe, or commune based on father-right - these institutions are real and they must be destroyed.”

- Andrea Dworkin

“The nuclear family must be destroyed, and people must find better ways of living together…. Whatever its ultimate meaning, the breakup of families now is an objectively revolutionary process…. No woman should have to deny herself any opportunities because of her special responsibilities to her children….”

“Functions of the Family,”
WOMEN: A Journal of Liberation, Fall, 1969 - Linda Gordon

“When a woman reaches orgasm with a man she is only collaborating with the patriarchal system, eroticizing her own oppression…”

- Sheila Jeffrys

“You grow up with your father holding you down and covering your mouth so another man can make a horrible searing pain between your legs.”

(Prominent legal feminist scholar; University of Michigan, & Yale.) - Catherine MacKinnon

“All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman.”

- Catherine MacKinnon

“We can’t destroy the inequities between men and women until we destroy marriage.”

From Sisterhood Is Powerful, (ed), 1970, p. 537 - Robin Morgan

“I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig.”
Ice And Fire - Andrea Dworkin

”Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience.”
Vassar College. Assistant Dean of Students - Catherine Comin

“All men are rapists and that’s all they are.”

Author; (later, advisor to Al Gore’s Presidential Campaign.) - Marilyn French

“I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them.”

Ms. Magazine Editor. - Robin Morgan

“I claim that rape exists any time sexual intercourse occurs when it has not been initiated by the woman, out of her own genuine affection and desire.”

Ms. Magazine Editor. - Robin Morgan

“‘To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he’s a machine, a walking d*ldo.”

Scum Manifesto - Valerie Solanas

“(Rape) is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear”

Against Our Will p.6. - Susan Brownmiller

“We are taught, encouraged, moulded by and lulled into accepting a range of false notions about the family. As a source of some of our most profound experiences, it continues to be such an integral part of our emotional lives that it appears beyond criticism. Yet hiding from the truth of family life leaves women and children vulnerable.”

- Canadian Panel on Violence Against Women


“Men are rapists, batterers, plunderers, killers; these same men are religious prophets, poets, heroes, figures of romance, adventure, accomplishment, figures ennobled by tragedy and defeat. Men have claimed the earth, called it “Her”. Men ruin Her. Men have airplanes, guns, bombs, poisonous gases, weapons so perverse and deadly that they defy any authentically human imagination.”

Pornography: Men Possessing Women - Andrea Dworkin


“My feelings about men are the result of my experience. I have little sympathy for them. Like a Jew just released from Dachau, I watch the handsome young Nazi soldier fall writhing to the ground with a bullet in his stomach and I look briefly and walk on. I don’t even need to shrug. I simply don’t care. What he was, as a person, I mean, what his shames and yearnings were, simply don’t matter.”

The Woman’s Room - Marilyn French


“I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion which man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He’s just incapable of it.”

Former Congresswoman - Barbara Jordan


“All men are good for is fu*king, and running over with a truck”

Statement made by A University of Maine Feminist Administrator, quoted by Richard Dinsmore, who brought a successful civil suit against the University in the amount of $600,000.


Not just the lawyers, but the divorces
Sure divorce lawyers make ambulance chasers look like Boy Scouts, but you miss the point by going after the functionaries--it's the function that's ruining America.

If Alec Baldwin were living with and honoring his wife, custody wouldn't be an issue with young Ireland. We've come to accept (even within the church) that divorce will occur in about 50% of marriages... and that acceptance is a slow leak that has our foundations nearly running on the rims by now

We should equip our kids to succeed in marraige, train them to realize the depth of the expected commitment, and fight like tigers to turn the tide.

I live in a neighborhood with 7 families that have an intact family. The rest of 220 homes are single moms and their kids. 240 fatherless children learning firsthand that commitment is not a trait that matters, and learning all that the street can teach 'em since that where the find their only male influences.

You want to have a profound impact? Build the grassroots disdain for this unworthy reality and work like heck to change. The toothpaste may be out of the tube... but figuring out how to put it back is essential--and like all difficult but essential things, it will only be done by making it a huge priority.

Thanks,
much love,
Hogan

McCullough could do better
There are lots of more compelling criticisms to be levelled against what the modern feminist movement has become. The collective blind eye turned by American feminists toward the plight of women in various other societies is one of the biggest.

This article seems fairly weak. After all, why rail about feminists supposedly pimping out daughters, when so VERY many americans do exactly the same?

Consider all the millions of parents who don't trouble to teach their children the ONLY foolproof way to avoid STDs or unwanted pregnancy: abstinence until marriage. Consider how many could apparently care less if their child is out sleeping around with every two-legged dog in the neighborhood, since they can't even be bothered to supervise the poor kid. consider how many WANT it to be legal for adults to perform medical procedures (abortions) on children as young as eleven or twelve... without the parents' knowledge or consent (indeed, some even want it to be legal for those childrens' statutory-rapist 'boyfriends' to transport them across state lines to obtain abortions). consider how very, very many have such a low opinion of their own children that they say things like 'Kids are just gonna sleep around, anyway'.

It is THOSE people who need correction, if America is ever to improve. And they're not just feminists. They're apparently rank-and-file progressives.

What Feminists Don't Want You To Know
"There are lots of more compelling criticisms to be levelled against what the modern feminist movement has become. The collective blind eye turned by American feminists toward the plight of women in various other societies is one of the biggest."

Far from it.The destruction of the rights of men and fathers is at the top of the list. Women initiate divorce 80% of the time. In 90% of the time they get sole custody of the children. Often, false accusations of abuse, domestic violence are used as the nuclear option to completely deny the father any rights.

For those who have an interest in the truth go to:

http://www.mediaradar.com

There you will see how the VAWA, Family Law, have stripped men and fathers of due process. Civil rights are regularly violated. The feminists and the liberals here do not want you to know the truth.

"If Alec Baldwin were living with and honoring his wife, custody wouldn't be an issue with young Ireland. We've come to accept (even within the church) that divorce will occur in about 50% of marriages... and that acceptance is a slow leak that has our foundations nearly running on the rims by now."

I don't know who filed for divorce but the odds are that it was not Alec Baldwin.

www.mediaradar.org
Sorry.

The link in my post above is wrong.

PLEASE GO TO:

http://WWW.MEDIARADAR.ORG

Feminist view of "The Family" & men
Denis,

Excellent and informative post. See you at MND.

Menck
Menck-

thank you. Yes, see you at MND.

disgusting!!!!
Have we learned nothing from the Don Imus fiasco? Certain words and phrases can be quite offensive and pimps is definiely one of those words. This is just another pathetic example of the on going conservative war on women.

Words! Words! Words!
I have to disagree with many of you posters, Conservative and Liberal. I don't think you actually read and understood McCullough's essay. Your comments sure don't represent what he wrote in the light of reality.

Kevin didn't break a story about Lindsay Lohan and Keira Knightly. He only reported and commented on it. Nor did he break a story about Alec Baldwin. Again, he only commented on it. Aren't any of us permitted to do that? You posters who claim "a new low for TH" are so off base as to be in the Kos Kamp. TH has a low---anything has to have one---but it's nowhere near what you take as a given.

Kevin wrote: "Another story hit the headlines this week but did not get the graphic portrayal of the Baldwin case on cable, radio, and gossip pages on the internet...The hook [for the Best Time of Our Lives] that had been used to stir up interest in the project had been the fact that McDonald - Knightley's mother - had written into the script multiple love scenes, nude ones that involved Lohan and Knightley (her daughter.) "

Since the movie hasn't been finished, and most posters don't have access to the screenplay and it's various editions, kindly stop stating what the screenplay has or hasn't. All anyone has to go on is the news as reported and the history of Lindsay Lohan, Keira Knightley and the latter's mom. Lohan may be a flake and left the movie for her own reasons, but she'll be ably replaced by Sienna Miller. What! No average or plain woman? Not for a lesbian relationship---and that's the point of the movie, isn't it? The lesbian relationship between Caitlin and Vera?

You critics are a bit off, too. McCullough isn't calling all mothers p*imps [c'mon Townhall. What's wrong with this word?], only that what some of them do is the same action as a p*imp. And it is, too. Many mothers view their children as pawns in their disagreements with fathers or vicarious stardom-living through their children, so anything seems to go. Being a mother doesn't make a woman infallible or the last answer to parenting. I have great respect for good mothers, so don't act as if they're the ones under fire here.

As for Alec Baldwin. It makes no difference what his provocation, his foul mouth should not have been opened to his daughter. I don't care what the system [or his daughter] did to him, his tirade was un-called-for. Against his ex-wife? Well...I would have some sympathy there. I have an ex-wife, and I know what's possible [with the disabled assistance of the divorce lawyer-sharks.] Kim Basinger [and her release of the telephone tape] doesn't sound to me a model mother [or wife? or ex-wife?] anyway, so the whole situation is probably bad-news. Many of us have similar problems to those of the 'stars'---probably too many for the good of our children.

[Alex Baldwin shouldn't be living in the US anyway, as he promised to move away if George Bush was re-elected---typical Liberal promises and conclusions.]

C'mon posters! The use of 'pimps' in the title is decidedly not offensive---nor is the 'feminist "mothers"' in the first sentence, so stop jumping on the soap box. Some of you people find offense in just about anything. Can't we have frank opinion anymore? I don't expect you to agree with all the words used in an essay, but you could at least not scream about those not inherently offensive to a reasonable person. And using the words in question isn't egregiously out there with some Democrat-sponsored headlines. So cool it. You're beginning to sound like Liberals.

Disagree with an essay if you must, but be more realistic in the way you comment. The samples of 'names or labels' quoted from the McCullough piece are quite proper in the context of his essay. Some of you 'conservatives' are jumping on the PC bandwagon---why? To sound compassionate? To sound semi-Liberal? To get support? Give me a break.

And, I'm not surprised that someone has brought the Iraq situation into the discussion. To answer the claptrap: the war is not pointless, and the mothers of America did not send their sons there. Grow up, and recognize the facts of reality [which are on other threads.] Otherwise, ferme la bush! [I don't like the people and their politics, but I do like the language.]

McCullough's essay is not the be-all or end-all of articles on the topics given, but it certainly has a reasonable point of view. Please be reasonable with your comment postings.

By the way, I wish those of you with the urge would stop posting books in the comment section. I, for one, won't read them, citations or no.

War on Men/Fathers Must Stop
"Can't we have frank opinion anymore?"

Certainly. But that presupposes that you can listen to an opposing view without resorting to name-calling, hysterics, and therapeutic rantings.

"I don't care what the system [or his daughter] did to him, his tirade was un-called-for."

It was definitely uncalled for. I don't even like Alec Baldwin. He should have kept his promise and left America for good. Having said that, I am discussing a principle larger than Baldwin. The State has no damn right to separate fathers from their children on the word alone of the mother. I want due process. The on-going war of feminists, liberals, and the State on men and fathers must stop.

"By the way, I wish those of you with the urge would stop posting books in the comment section. I, for one, won't read them, citations or no."

Don't read them.I don't care. You intentionally want to be ignorant of the truth.Yet you want to engage in frank opinion. Right.I for one won't stop posting resources for truthseekers.

What the. . .
That last post was WAY to long and, really, what's with just copying out chunks of the DSM-IV? These posts are supposed to be your opinions and related to the article. How annoying.
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