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Sunday, January 21, 2007
Kevin McCullough :: Townhall.com Columnist
Why we need not CAIR
by Kevin McCullough
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All one needs to know about CAIR (the Council on American-Islamic Relations) is that when they have the opportunity to defend America to terrorists they always fail. And when they have the opportunity to defend terror tactics, personalities, and doctrine vs. America they always succeed.

Let me be even more plain. If CAIR has the chance to take the side of Islam's jihadist doctrine vs. American security and welfare - they always side against America.

In fact the only place where CAIR puts America first is in its name. It's a stupid ploy they believe will sucker us into thinking that they prefer America to radical jihad, but alas their many betrayals and even eagerness to jump to the defense of terrorists, sort of betray their intentions.

They also belly-ache a lot...

And recently they have done so way too much...

CAIR hyperventilates if the president uses the term Islamofacism, but they appear to take deep breaths of satisfaction whenever another western target takes a hit.

Ok, so I confess I've never seen them take "satisfaction" in such activities - but I do notice that such events also coincide with their sudden disappearance from news media. No condemnation of the terror tactics, no renunciation of the terrorists who executed the attack, instead all you hear coming from the CAIR offices is the sound of meadow crickets.

They also end up looking either willfully deceptive, or woefully ignorant.

Remember when the six Imams praised Saddam and Osama, loudly, in the terminal and as they boarded their plane? Remember that they changed seats once on board, chanted to Allah, and asked for seat belt extensions for 180 pound men? Do you also remember how Ibrahim Hooper - from CAIR - reassured all that these six Islamic scholars could never even conceive of terror, much less practice it? Oh yeah, remember how the one who had chanted loudest was shortly discovered to have worked for terror groups, even Osama himself?

Now they wish to make a federal case against Northwest Airlines for 40 Muslims who missed the one hour check in and thus missed their connecting flight home. CAIR wishes to blast the airline as anti-Muslim even though some of the passengers were able to make the flight, and even though Northwest did all they could to put the rest on the next available flight. Nonetheless CAIR's Duwad Walid insists that the airline "has not taken full responsibility."

CAIR threatened legal action against U.S. Airways in the case of the six imams, and they now seem ready to treat Northwest Airlines with the same veiled intimidation. But that's Islam's theology you know - convert or die.

CAIR has also gotten rather testy about the new season of '24'. The hit FOX series has finally had the courage to show terror in the world today for the danger that it is. The producers also did something monumentally courageous and are putting it all in the context of Islamic extremism. So far many of the Muslims in the four episode season have thus far been dishonest, manipulative, soldiers intent on killing infidels. Since better than 97% of all terror activity in my lifetime has been initiated by Islamic fundies, I'm glad that at least at present roughly 1% of prime-time television shows will show it accurately.

The spokesbabe for CAIR, Rabiah Ahmed (pronounced: Hock-mad) said, "I saw '24' on Monday and we do have concerns for the show. We are monitoring it and will be contacting FOX to discuss those concerns. We like a good show and a good drama. But as an advocacy group, we have to consider the image and interest of our community."

I'm sorry Ms. Ahmed, what community is it that you refer to?

Would that be the same community that danced in the streets of the middle east, as well as Jersey City, New Jersey, and suburban Michigan when 3,000 Americans were killed ruthlessly by practioners of Islam on September 11? Would that be the community that in the aftermath of those attacks, as well as the ones in the South Pacific, London, Madrid, Tel Aviv, Jordan, and a dozen more have steadfastly refused to renounce the personalities and practices of those leading the Islamic Jihad against the west?

Of course CAIR has an impossible mission. They are charged with defending a religious system whose very sacred text instructs faithful practitioners to sever heads and limbs of infidels. I can only imagine the self conflict every one of the CAIR employees must face on a daily basis. Because to be truly American they must alter at least part of their faith practice - to deny a part of its historical instruction. And thus to be fully Muslim they must choose to deny a part of what being an American is, respecting the differences of others.

Evangelical Christians make no bones about our belief. Jesus Christ claimed he was, "the Way, the Truth, and the Life. That no one could come to the Father except through Him." But he sure never instructed infidels to be beheaded, He instead healed a man's severed ear when one of his own disciples defended Him too zealously.

CAIR is the religious equivalent of an Islamic ambulance chaser. Their message is dishonest, and very inconsistent with their faith's own teachings. They are misguided in what they understand about America's legitimate fears concerning terror, and they always seem to defend the wrong people.

But hey... if the hi-jacked airliner, suicide mission fits...

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CAIR reminds me of Vladimir Posner
It is really weird that when I look up posner on line, almost none of the articles describe the guy accurately.

Someone is obviously controlling the online info about him.

He was a mouthpiece for the Soviet Union during the Cold War, and would get on shows like Phil Donahue, Ted Koppel and Michael Jackson (the one with the British accent who still had a nose), spouting Soviet misinformation.

He wrote the introduction to the Communist Manifesto published by Bantam Classics.

He spoke English without and accent, though he was born in Paris to a Russian father and a French mother.

And he was dangerous as a snake, with his smooth, oily way of spinning the Soviets in a positive light, getting THE "Party Line" across to the American public.

CAIR is similar in a way, because they pretend to be real Americans, all the while shilling for Islamic groups who hate our guts and are scheming for our demise.

I am very frustrated that evil disinformation organizatios get such tolerant media coverage.

It will be even more frustrating when the Leftie new Orwellian, Soviet-style "Fairness Doctrine" attempts to force us to give them a platform for their lies.

Fifth column
CAIR has shown that they are indeed a fifth column working for the jihadists from the inside. They will use our P.C. culture, liberal guilt and even our own Constitution against us in any way they can to advance their aims and obstruct our resistance. Convert or die is what they believe.

CAIR=TERROR
is nothing more than a terrorist group in my mind.
I've seen that Rabiah Ahmed on Fox. When nailed down about whether they (CAIR) should speak out about terrorism, the guy just turns into a blithering idiot trying to jump hoops with his answers. He looks and sounds like a LIAR.

Pitbull you're right I hope they keep it up because they look worse all the time, at least to conservatives. To the left, I imagine they will want to take up the "cause" for these poor, intimidated and persecuted Muslims and their sidekick legal eagles CAIR.

Can anyone imagine the outrage on the left if a group of Christians sued an airline over something like this?

Virginia Patriot
Compliments on your excellent post.

The Death of Reason
I have a link on my blog to a video titled, “The Death of Reason.” It is a long movie, but it covers a number of interesting topics. About a third of the way through, there is a history of Iraq and our interactions with them.

Please watch it. And then, let’s discuss if it is merely being a Muslims or Arabs that makes them “all” bad. Or is there another reason that makes them incapable of living in a peaceful society.

Both Christianity and Islam have histories. Both can be interpreted in completely wrong fashion. Both can be twisted to show violence as the core.

There have been Muslims and Arabs living here and sharing our American Values for a long time.

We share a world history with them too. That history is not so pleasant either.
Please, watch the video. The history section is only about 30 minutes long.

Here is the link:
Iraq: The Death of Reason- part 1
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4904872604958696694

Right on, Virginia Patriot
Several years ago out of curiosity I attended a CAIR-sponsored community meeting in Sterling, Virginia. I was stunned at the vitriol spewed at the USA right here IN the USA.

CAIR speakers were advising Muslims NOT to cooperate with law-enforcement when approached to help track terrorists. They were instead to call - phone numbers provided - a Muslim lawyer who would protect "us against the USA". One head-scarfed b**** even observed that "9/11 is the best thing to happen because it has truly united us". Apparently united them against the rest of us infidels.

It is clear that Muslims are indeed a fifth column in America and that their first loyalty is to other Muslims, not to their fellow Americans.

And until I see a "Million Muslim March" to decry terrorism, I shall continue to view them all as enemies of the state and of western civilization.


It's really simple
Islam's main goal is to convert or kill each and every non-muslim in the world. They started that mission over 1300 years ago, and won't quit until they succeed or the rest of the world does the same to them. It's a war of extermination, period. Any words from their side to the contrary are just lies. Any words of tolerance from their side are lies. They are the enemy, pure and simple.

CAIR=Subversive Organization
When I went into the Navy in 1970 they gave an entire room full of people a broadsheet listing various organizations such as the Communist Party, the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, etc. Me being an ignorant boy from Georgia had never heard of most of these organizations. We were supposed to read over the list and sign a statement saying we had never been a member nor had we given support to any of these organizations. These organizations had been flagged as “subversive organizations” whose members were required to register with the Government. When I asked the Chief in charge what a few of them were, he told me that if I had to ask that it wasn’t a concern; that I should sign and forget it.

The point of this rambling dissertation is that we should resurrect these kinds of lists and requirements after establishing controls. The controls would establish that the members of the organization through act or speech encouraged violence against the USA or its citizens or overthrow of the Government.

Smoke Screen-
FOX had a very interesting report Saturday night. It was about how members of Hezbolah were buying many cartons of cigarettes in NC, reselling them in Michigan and sending the money to Lebanon. They were convicted of a number of crimes.
Hold onto your head.

We've been here before
In the 1930s and early 1940s, there was a group that called itself the German-American Bund, that advocated "peace and friendship" between the Unted States and Germany. Among other things, it opposed Lend-Lease, the Atlantic Compact (in which the U.S. traded Great Britain 50 overage "4-stacker" destroyers for basing rights for the U.S. Navy at British possessions in the Atlantic), and the sale of U.S.-made fighters and light bombers to France.

To me, CAIR is simply the Bund with a different lot of backers. Although, considering their philosophy, they aren't really all that different.

The major difference is, of course, that after December 7, 1941, we shut down the Bund. CAIR is still in business, and appears as though it will remain so.

cheers

eon

How it works:
Carrying banners saying "Stop Israeli Terrorism" and chanting antiwar slogans, some 10,000 people rallied in the center of metro Detroit's Arab-American community in Dearborn on Tuesday, demanding that the U.S. government put pressure on Israel to halt attacks in Lebanon...

Arab-American marchers carried signs saying "Down, down Israel" ...

Saying that Israel is killing children and bombing innocent citizens, one of the speakers, Osama Siblani of the Congress of Arab-American Organizations, said, "This is terror." ...

"We know that the president is being bought by the Zionist lobby.

We know that the (U.S.) Congress is being bought by the Zionist lobby ... a speaker held a portrait of Hassan Nasrallah, Hizballah's secretary-general.

The crowd burst into applause.

Rana Abbas-Chami, deputy director of the Michigan Chapter of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, called Israel's violence "appalling, unfathomable and unforgivable...

The U.S. is just as guilty as Israel is. History will not forgive, nor will it ever forget, these crimes."

Many people among metro Detroit's Arab-American population say they believe Hizballah -- considered a terrorist group by the U.S. government ...

Source: DEARBORN ANTIWAR PROTEST: 10,000 unite for Lebanon

BY NIRAJ WARIKOO, FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS. July 19, 2006


Ben
I watched the link. It is a leftist account of events. I am not a leftist. I am a conservative.
So, to me it was a propaganda piece. But, unlike some, I don't engage in ad hominem attacks upon leftists.

I don't care where the truth takes us, or whose ox is gored, as long as we get there.

If the left happens to be proven correct in its assessment on why we went to war, so be it. I am interested in getting at the truth, not in protecting any administration.

I am no fan of Bush on the invasion. But that does NOT mean I don't believe Islam is a threat to our civilization.

Islam is a threat. and I further believe democratic values are incompatible with Islam, which is why I disagree on Bush's mission to democratize the mideast, including Iraq.

I also disagree with Bush's statement that Islam is a religion of peace. It isn't. Some individual muslims are peaceful, but Islam isn't.

The history section of the linked video fails to explain the aggressive nature of Islam which, from its inception in the Arabian desert, began a relentless campaign of conquest, beginning in the mideast and encompassing territories from the Indian subcontinent to mediterreanian Europe until repelled.




Lydia ...
... put a cork in it!

spelling correction
Mediterranean, not mediterreanian. 'scuse me.

CAIR has discovered
and is effectively using the two most effective weapons against America. Lawyers and the Media.
Just when did 'Islam' become a race? I know I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I have apparently been misconstruing it as a religion(actually a cult).

Lydia...
...what planet have you been hiding on?

frustration
Why is it that the Gov. could 'shut down' the German-American Bund after formal hostilities began and we allow CAIR to to continue with the same protections we give to the Red Cross or Salvation Army? Hostilities have begun between civilizied nations and the groups CAIR supports. What is the difference between CAIR and the Bund?

Our constitution prohibits the violent overthrow of the government. We have the legal basis to root out these monstrous individuals and organizations.

Oh, I forgot, we have to remove transfats first. We have to ensure deviants of all sorts have a "nice day" as they persue perversions with state blessing; we further have to make the country safe for crimaliens before we wake up to the dangers posed by the "religion of peace". Do you, along with Vic, remember the terms 'subversive organization', 'un-American activities'?

Our leadership(?) is derelict, period!


positioning
Somehow my post went to the top. References were made to posts by Eon and Vic.

Ignore the above
Now I am positioned where I belong. Sheeesh.

CAIR's condemnation of terrorism
For McCullough to ignore the fact the CAIR has repeatedly and consistently condemned terrorism is the height of intellectual dishonesty. Some examples:

http://www.cair-net.org/html/911statements.html

http://www.cair.com/FatwaJuly2005.pdf

One might argue that such statements or endorsements from CAIR are duplicitous, but one cannot simply ignore them and still hope to retain any shred of credibility.


The Torah lists many sins that are punishable by death. Amoung them is the sin of making sacrifices to a false god (Ex. 22.18-20): "Whoever sacrifices to any god, save to the Lord only, shall be utterly destroyed." Is the writer referring to Jews only and not "infidels" generally? Perhaps, but would anyone reasonably argue that observant Jews in this country are incapable of full status as Americans because they are not permitted to fulfill their obligation to put to death those amoung them that have fallen from their faith? Of course not. Still, McCullough writes:

"Because to be truly American they must alter at least part of their faith practice - to deny a part of its historical instruction. And thus to be fully Muslim they must choose to deny a part of what being an American is, respecting the differences of others."

What utter rubbish.

Read "Because They Hate"
by Brigitte Gabriel; excellent expose of what they did to Lebanon, the are trying to do here.

CAIR only cares about MUSLIM propaganda;
CAIR is funded by SAUDI ARABIA which is the lead SUNNI terrorist country AND funded by IRAN which is the lead SUNNI terrorist country with main goal of propagandizing and defending MUSLIM terror against CHRISTIANS AND JEWS!

Correction to prior post
IRAN which is the lead 'SHIITE' terrorist country

They're stupid liars
And we're smarter than they are. They really think we're so pc that they can run all over us just like they do in Britain and the rest of Europe. Sorry, CAIR guys, we have your number and we have the power. Take your hate back to your motherland and wallow in it.

CAIR
We need to stay on top of this group. I was surprised at O'Reilly's free pass to the young spokesman complaining about "24." O'Reilly called them a "civil rights group" (or rather simply repeated this self-designation).

To karl
Aren't you also being somewhat disingenuous? One part of the Quran gives the Fatwa as quoted, another part gives the direct opposite when it directs that non-believers be converted or beheaded. This is why there are so many “interpretive” books and papers and ultimately what led to the rift between the Sunnis and the Shia. My personal belief is that these so-called revealed quotes are nothing more than “convenient” sayings designed to garner support for a 7th century warlord for the next battle. Also, sure CAIR issued these statements but then they turn around and send money and support to the very organizations that conduct the terrorist attacks.

To Karl
Hey folks, Karl named himself that, I suspect, in honor of that other Karl, Karl Marx. And the Communists were famous liars. So, when "Karl" quotes one part of a document that purports to say one thing, he really has his fingers crossed behind his back. Ignore everything he has to say. He is a snake in the garden. CAIR is here to take advantage of our PC, media, and courts to batter us into insensibilty. I for one, agree with the poster who said he regards all Muslims as enemies. If they are Muslims, they cannot be otherwise. Which is why I drive a car with a bumper sticker that proudly says "Infidel onboard". This is STILL America, Cair, get it? So, stuff it.

Why we are so stupid
- we have been spending the last 60 years listening to propaganda groups whining about how mean the United States was for having internment camps for Japanese people after we were attacked by Japan.

I have heard this for years. My Leftie Mom had a friend who had been in one of those camps and was always going on and on about haow horrible that was.

But think for a moment about the international context.

My former inlaws were also in an internment camp, only this one was RUN by the Japanese in the Phillippines. They were arrested for the crime of being Americans. They were treated brutally and starved nearly to death. They were fortunate to be liberated by McArthur when they were because the next day they would have been executed.

What we did to the Japanese people here was very kind by comparison.

So years went by, and 9/11 occurred. All of our government officials had been so Wussie Whipped by the whiners, that they said to themselves; "I don't want to look like a meanie, like they were back then, so I won't do the logical thing. I will twist reality and refuse to "profile" young Middle Eastern Islamic men. Instead, I'll search Mid-Western Grandmas, and Jewish Businessmen, pretending like I think that everyone has an equal chance to be a terrorist.

It didn't help that we had Norm Mineta as the Secretary of Transportation, who set the tone for the whole country's policy in this regard.

But he wasn't objective, and he should have recused himself from decision making at that time. He had actually been in an internment camp as a child during the 1940's, and still resented it.

But even after he left the job, we are still governed by his irrational, convoluted approach to National Security.

The ability of CAIR to be such a loud spokeshole today is an obnoxious symptom of Mineta's demented policies.

Government policies should not be determined by the emotional problems of a few.

BMT- Oh Shiite!
BMT writes: Sunday, January, 21, 2007 10:02 AM
"Correction to prior post
IRAN which is the lead 'SHIITE' terrorist country"
************************************

Iran - Shiite

Hmmmmmmmmm...

How apt!

CAIR Tactics
Don't the tactics used by CAIR seem very familiar? Hasn't the various liberal and leftist groups in the United States used such tactics for decades now? We allowed the Left to turn the USA into a society of victims. CAIR is following the same play book because it works. It works most especially with the America broadcast media and national dailies. Anybody want to bet me that CAIR has contacts they call each time they claim they are "victimized"?

Just like the Islamists have studied the military playbook of Ho Chi Min and his revolutionary predecessors so CAIR has learned to play our media and therefore the naive in this country.

Consider that the other Arabs do not consider Palestinians victims while they are in Arab countries. Jordan and Saudi Arabia have arrested and killed many of them. But when one mentions Israel and now the USA in the same sentence with the Palestinians, suddenly the Palestinians are victims thrown off their land by the evil Zionists.

Finally consider that Middle Eastern oil producing countries receive $500 billion per year in oil revenues. Some kind of victims!

BIGbelly - the whining of Arab
"Anti-defamation" groups have been around way befor 9/11.

Casey Kasem (American Top 40 Radio DJ) has been at it for years, pressuring the entertainment industry to avoid depicting Arabs as terrorists.
http://www.ameu.org/summary1.asp?iid=108

When 9/11 hit, we had already been whipped into submission.

So we just lie down and let the special interest groups roll over us.

This is what happens when you listen to the Left; you lose your mind and allow your country to be stolen from you.

TH bigotry
I am truly ashamed the a bunch of Americans could write these things. When I was a kid, I heard the same good conservative Christian voices saying the same kinds of things about Jews. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

We need
groups like CAIR and the ACLU. You don't have to agree with them (and I don't) but they serve as 'free speech' indicators. Most countries would just shut down an organization that espouses an unpopular doctrine. We allow the KKK, the Communist party and yes, CAIR because we're the greatest nation on earth.

libergoodman
The difference between Jews and Muslims, the Jews never tried to take over America, use our system against us and they don't entertain the idea that their religion commands them to convert all infidels and themselves to Islam and die.

You are using the left wing mantra calling us bigots to cover the real issue, that Islamic fanatics want to convert us or we die by the sword.

As another poster stated until I see Muslims marching in the streets protesting this fanatical form of Islam I will not trust this theocratic religion.

For Americans to be concerned that their country could be overtaken by these radicals is not bigotry it is called self defense. Get it straight before you start using this tired argument of bigotry.

To others come on up to my blog when you get the chance, I have an new article about this.

gregdn
There's a difference between "free speech" and subversion of our country. I would propose that the communist party and the ACLU have done nothing to further free speech, but have done everything they can to undermine our republic. I would call that treason.

Death to CAIR and Moslems
The good news is that eventually we will be forced to destroy the infrastructure of the arab world. Their dams, rivers, ports, electric grids, desalinization plants, cities etc. will have to be reduced so that only those who yearn for the 7th century will survive. We will kill hundreds of millions of moslems with all forms of WMD. This is our obligation to Western Civilization and all humanity. It is the will of Allah, for a god to have such garbage as his worshipers is an extreme embarasment.

Death to Moslems,
John

Declare War on Radical Islam
The United States needs to formally declare war on Radical Islam. It has declared war on us, has committed acts of war on us during the 90s and before resulting in the horrific acts of war on 9/11. Is there anyone left on the planet that does not know Radical Islam is waging this global war and America is its prime target? Even the 9/11 Commission stated, "the catastrophic threat in history is the threat of Islamist terrorism and its ideology". According to them, "America is the font of all evil, the "head of the snake" and it(Amercia) must either be converted or destroyed".

Now listening to the MSM interview the stable of Demo candidates for Pres. one will never hear about our war with Radical Islam. Its 24/7 Bush's Iraq war and how Bush's war has caused all the trouble. Like the Middle East was a peaceful, tranquil area before "Bush's War". Even though most of them voted for the Iraq campaign, they now want to "cut&run" but wont call it that. Iraq is one very important campaign in the global war with Radical Islam. We need to succeed in Iraq.

By formally declaring war on Radical Islam, the nation can begin to focus on what must be done here in the US. First and foremost bringing the nation to a heightened state of alert to what is going to be a long and difficult war. Second setting the nation's table/modus operandi to conduct this war here in the US. Much more needs to done. Certainly CAIR'S, as you say, "hyperventilating" would reach new heights but their ability to intimidate and program Americans would be sharply curtailed.

To ben--where are the moderates?
OK, so not all Muslims living here, and not all Arab-Americans, support Islamism. OK, ben, let the moderates speak out against the extremists. Then we can worry about whether we are lumping all of them together.

To liberalgoodman
liberalgoodman writes: Sunday, January, 21, 2007 11:36 AM
TH bigotry
I am truly ashamed the a bunch of Americans could write these things. When I was a kid, I heard the same good conservative Christian voices saying the same kinds of things about Jews. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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I don’t know where you grew up, but having grown up in Georgia, in a very conservative religious family, I can attest that I never heard any of the aforementioned bigotry against the Jewish faith. The only famous people I have seen standing up and attacking the Jewish faith are Jessie Jackson self-proclaimed reverend (certainly not conservative), Louis Farrakhan leader of (guess what) Nation of Islam, and Mel Gibson Hollywood star (not conservative).

You really lose ground when you make these sweeping statements that are unsupported by fact. You should probably stick to economic issues where you can quote your heroes Karr Marx and V.I. Lenin.

The west is best
Following this post will be a complete listing of the diseases cured,the great inventions invented and the foriegn(to them) calamities soothed by the followers of this great "religion to pieces (oops),of peace".

There are many wonderful muslims in the world.They are in Iraq helping our American Fighting Man help them,and there are some (one? two?)like the former Palestinian terrorist we see on Fox and in the documentary "Obsession"(don't have his name now) who are trying to get the word out to us about the evil nature of Islamo-fascism.In other words: The best Muslims are the ones who embrace the west,ie:Judaeo-Christian virtues of respect for life and others' differences, as Mr. McCullough points out above.

Now,as for great accomplishments in Muslim history? Let's see....hmmm....OH YEAH! They live on a bunch of oil !!!...and,and...THEY INVENTED ZERO! Gee,that's kind of ironic. The people who brought us the concept of zero are also the people who seek to "win" battles (and the eventual war they hope to bring about) by insuring that ZERO people are left alive when it's over.Thus, the murder-bomber is the most significant contribution they have made to un-civilization in a thousand years.

One might call that a minus.

Lydia..Are You WHY we Lose????
Lydia, just WHO did you vote for in 2004?

Liberals have learned to WIN incrementally. If you're looking for the perfect POTUS or candidate, you PLAY INTO the liberal trap. Divide and CONQUOR.

Bush bashing helps them. Am I happy with growth of government etc. Attack the REAL enemy, while on the lookout for our next POTUS. Respectfully JP

degrees of Islam
Have you ever heard of a "conservative" muslim? No, because they don't exist. And there is no difference between a moderate or extremist muslim either. They share the same "holy book" and the same "allah" and they all believe they have to take over the entire world in preparation for the coming of their madhi.

If Americans fail to fight these enemies here in America we can plan on kneeling with our foreheads pressed to the floor, butts in the air praying towards Mecca in the future. If you refuse, there will be a nice, sharp machete close by to rid America of the infidel. You can count on it!

Walid Shoebat
He is the man in question in previous posts.

Thank Lynne / Virginia Patriot
Brigitte Gabriel is another voice,although not a muslim,promoting the truth about islam:
http://www.americancongressfortruth.com/profile.asp

How come my links never turn blue/serve as autolinks,not needing to be copied and pasted ?

Lydia....
Giuliani is pro guest worked/amnesty. Why would you vote for that? The only person I know of who will stand for the Constitution and protecting our country is Tancredo. No one comes close! He is and has been a fierce figher for America even after Rove warned him to never darken the White House with his presence again! He's proved he's not afraid to stand up for America!

Can you post some links on Mc Cain re the Keating Five story and anything else you might have? I don't trust him and his temper could be dangerous to all Americans!

Lynne
Good answer, as far as it goes. Of course, you are right, but that only brings on further questions regarding our leadership(?).

To Pitbull
Yeah but he still pro-gun control and anti-second amendment.

Lynne
re: Muslims not speaking out for fear of retaliation.

Just remember,as that font of liberal wisdom Rosie O'Dumbell points out,"Christians are just as big a threat to America as 'so called' terrorist muslims!"

To prove this,I am currently in hiding from a band of local Christian terrorists who want me dead for not capitaling the name of God in a previous post. They're pretending to be muslims who think I mocked allah (oops,did it again),but I know better.

Just a minute,someone's at the door.
"Who is it!?"

(dunt dunt dunt dunt)"Pizza delivery!"

"Pizza? I didn't order a pizza."

(dunt dunt dunt dunt)"Cleaning lady."

"I'm an obsessive compulsive! I don't have a cleaning lady."

(dint-dint-dint-dint-dint-dint-dint-dint)"Irish Sweepstakes,congradulations!"

"Alright! Well why didn't ya say so in the first place !?!"

(creak of fly pecked door opening)"Hello Mr. 'Hipshot'. If you will just place your neck on this choping er, I mean your shirt label on this scanner pad,we'll confirm your winning number.Okay,close your eyes,this won't hurt a bit..."

To 2spothipshot
Is that the Obamasama the landshark???

Even Chuck Shummer?
Liberals take note;
Even Chuck Schummer wants to get rid of CAIR.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPrint.asp?

Page=/Culture/archive/200701/CUL20070116a.html
http://www.anti-cair-net.org/

I have another one where the link won't work.
It states British Muslim leaders condemn the killing of "innocent civilians"
Then goes on to state;
"Because non-Muslims have rejected Islam, none of them are innocent."
Interesting concept?


CAIR is,
(as many posters have pointed out) the enemy.

They are pro-terrorist/anti-American.

The propaganda they spew shouldn't convince anyone that they are "moderate" (except Katie Couric). Why anyone doesn't want these puking muslims arrested and locked up is beyond me.


CAREFUL pitbull
Now everyone around here knows you are an Infidel!
You should have remained a "Closet Christian" like me.

pitbull, You are not doing your share!
This is a two pronged war.
Muslims also intend to out propagate us!
We are loosing by default!
You are not trying hard enough to make babies!

pitbull ...
Tancredo has already proven himself. I 'm not banking on promises anymore.

pitbull You have a rare treasure.
They will bring you a lifetime of joy.

pitbull
"but I don't think he'll have any chance of winning the nomination - I for one DO NOT want a repeat of Ross Perot - does nothing but give the defeatocrats a win!"

Tancredo doesn't have to be another Ross Perot. If he is the leading guy believe me the others will follow. I haven't met a politician yet who wants to be left behind from the front runner. Except Tancredo who is the only one I've seen in years who has any guts and will stand for what is right when no one else will! We don't need another monied pretty face with a big mouth. We need an American who keeps his word. We need an American who can read the handwriting on the wall. We need an American who believes in and will fight to defend our Constitution. He knows if our borders are not secure and we let people come in and stay whom we don't even know, it won't matter what happens in Iraq, there won't be any America left for our troops to come home to.

a must see video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4094926727128068265

pitbull
I have no plans to vote for the lesser of two evils again. Tancredo is my man. The media is already doing their dirty deed. But again, when the large masses and loud voices support Tancredo they too won't want to be left behind. I have to wish and hope because the reality isn't good enough anymore. Dreams cannot come to pass if you don't dream. Hopes cannot be fulfilled unless you hope.

Bush was a Governor, Tancredo is a Congressman. Tancredo can win if those who really want their country back stand up and fight for him and with him. Unless we really believe in change we will get more of the same. I don't see anyone running who has a proven record of standing for the people. They are all politicians doing their own thing disconnected from the American people.

pitbull an MyOpine
Glad of your reminder about Hannity's show. I love Levin. He just nails things!
Saw the Hezbollah show last night. Too bad liberals probably don't watch things like this. As someone else stated, we all know about the things going on in America but the libs have their heads buried.

So old Chuckie wants to get rid of CAIR? Now that surprises me.

Darkhorse candidates
Its way to early to start counting people out. They haven't had the first state primary yet. Tancredo may be a darkhorse but its not time to put him down yet. The first straw poll in SC went as follows:
Mitt Romney 35%
Tom Tancredo 16%
Newt Gingrich 13%
John McCain 10%
Mike Huckabee 6%
Rudy Giuliani 3%
George Pataki 3%
Duncan Hunter 3%
Write-in Candidates 9%
I like the fact that McLaim came in 4th even with the big dollar politicos here pushing him.

Credit
Credit that poll results to the Crunchy Republican.

http://crunchygop.com/

liberalgoodman
"TH bigotry
I am truly ashamed the a bunch of Americans could write these things. When I was a kid, I heard the same good conservative Christian voices saying the same kinds of things about Jews. The more things change, the more they stay the same."


Honestly, I admire your stand on principle, for our country does strive to recognize inherant worth in everyone. Yet, I must point out that ideologies do not all posess equal value. We tolerate Nazis, but we do not celebrate, or encourage them. I make the comparison deliberatly, because a fascistic, virulent and violent strain of Islam has been gaining currency in the Muslim world.
This is not the gentle, tolerant and introspective Sufi Islam that was once the norm, but a xenophobic blend of dark age moral certitudes and mores mixed with modern weaponry and a taste for armed adventurism.
To combat this new enemy, it is vital that we recognize it for what it is, and we cannot delude ourselves into thinking that our tolerance will in any way lesson the enmity that Islamism has for us. Our tolerance will not be recipricated, as the Europeans are finding out. Rather, Islamists are increasing demanding thet WE adhere to THEIR religious practices in Western Europe. Note the shocking increase of Muslim Rape attacks on "infidel" women in Europe for not chastely covering their bodies. Rape gangs have been reported in Scandinavia, and the icidence of violent sexual assault is reportedly higher there then in the U.S.
Islam as is now being practiced by all too many people is not merely a faith, but a philosophy of temporal, political, and military superiority. They believe that we, as infidels, are the Nazi equivalent of "untermenscen", and must be conquered and ruled as "dhimmi". I encourage you to read what many of their websites say for themselves. Even the "moderate" sites like Islam on line...

http://www.islamonline.net/english/index.shtml

only endorse democracy so long as it abides by "shar'ia" law.
Honesty, radical Islam is not compatable with western democracy. It is based on a notion of no separation between private faith and public governance, hence the religion is the state. Add in dark ages morality and absolute certainty, and the result is tyranny. We have struggled too long and too hard to fight through our Reformation and arrive at our system of secular, tolerant and limited government. Islamism would tear all that down, and far too many "moderates" are aiding and abetting the radicals from "unbaliever" critisism. Something to think about.
=================================
Strength in the arm
Truth in the heart
Honesty in speech

top 3 are anti-amnesty
note that the top 3 in that poll have all stated opposition to amnesty. We can win this if we watch our step and our words. Words Matter
If we are seen as anti-immigrant, we will lose, because everyone knows some or is one or two generations removed and generally Americans have been a welcoming people. We just want people to respect us, our country, our culture, our language and our laws. Illegal alien is the legal status of a citizen of another country who is here without documentation. It is illegal aliens not immigrants who are creating a problem. Immigrants get visas before entering. Illegal aliens prefer the term "migrant", but do not have an open-ended right to migrate from their countries to ours. The debate must center on the willful disregard for the laws of this country.
My point is illegal aliens are not immigrants. Immigrants seek our permission first by applying for a visa. They keep their documents in order and comply with our laws. Illegal aliens do not. They sneak across the border and acquire fraudulent I.D. The open borders crowd know that most Americans are predisposed to favor legal immigration, or at least it is what most would say publicly in our P.C. times. By purposely confusing illegal aliens with(legal)immigrants (really the only kind), the left and the media hope to marginalize those of us who are speaking out against amnesty as being xenophobic, nativist, racist, restrictionist, anti-immigrant bigots. I am not any of those. I am an American citizen whose citizenship means something to him. I like immigrants. I know people from all over the world. I am totally opposed to illegal aliens, regardless of where they are from. I am for retaining our rule of law and sovereignty. We will lose this fight like we lost in 1986 if we aren't clear in our language and stick to the facts.

Check the scorecard
http://www.betterimmigration.com/candidates/2006/prez08_gop1.html

Gingrich isn't listed but I have seen him questioned about amnesty and he is for a guest worker program that leads to citizenship! He's off my list of hopefuls for sure! Look at the scorecards...Tancredo is the only one with any guts and sense!
And if immigration is not halted, millions more muslims will come here...as a matter of fact there are special visas created to bring more here! Everyone needs to wake up!

must see video....

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4094926727128068265

Wow
Sombody finally noticed.

Personal injury lawyer on a banana peel?
http://www.givemetheinfo.com/blog/blogger.html

Lydia
check the scoreboard then watch the video then tell me Giuliani is the right man to run this nation.

http://www.betterimmigration.com/candidates/2006/prez08_gop1.html

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4094926727128068265

vic
I like Tancredo and Romney both.

Also JC Watts from Oklahoma is a squared away dude.

However, now that the Hildabeast is running, the GOP front-runner is going to HAVE to have a FEMALE VP, preferably Condi in order to negate the mommy vote. The feminazis will already vote for Shrillary, that's a given.

Freeze their assests
CAIR should have their assets frozen. They are a terrorist organization as far as I'm concerned. Deport them while we're at it.

CAIR- Propaganda Wing of Army of Islam
All muslims are soldiers in the Army of Islam. Those considerd "Moderate" are rear echlon troops who serve as supply clerks, disbursing clerks, intelligence corps, spies and propaganda factors but ALL muslims wish to convert the world to islam. Perhaps some ... maybe some might not be willing to resort to terror tactics...yet. But they certainly do not condemn those who are willing to so do. America must recognize the danger posed by this religion that is an army. Or this army that is a religion. That army is 1 Billion strong. Until the country gets its collective head(s) out of its collective azz(es) we are going to have more grief than joy.
The way this country is acting reminds me of the stories told by buffalo hunters of old. If you shot the lead buffalo first, the herd would only mill around as you shot each and every buffalo in the herd thereafter.

buck
CAIR- Propaganda Wing of Army of Islam

and enforcers of the Dhimmicratic Party along with the Nation of Islam.

Ellison will see to that.

CAIR
I think the one thing we need to know about islam is that their creed is convert, be a slave or die...that is it in a nutshell, when I hear a canidate realize the dangers of this so called "religion" that is who I will be for. That is the crisis in America, not "healthcare" or the economy, geeze the polls I see, I wonder just who are they polling? Foxnews poll for the Presidents State of the Union address, the poll was most americans had heathcare as the top priority, the iraq war, then economy then immigration....idiots is who they poll...

Spelling error
GunnyG,

I really hate to give spelling lessons particularly on a bulletinboard, because sooner probably rather than later, my speling will be amiss; however...

Gunnyg you wrote:

Also JC Watts from Oklahoma is a squared away dude.

Squalid is not spelled s q u a r e d.

BTW, do you know how many babies JC has spawned out of wedlock? Is it 2 or 3 ? And do you know whether it's true that he dropped out of public office because there was ANOTHER paternity suit coming up ?

I haven't followed JC Squalid Watts since he left office, and I wonder if you know or if any lurkers know if his two illigitimate children live anywhere near the lifestyle of their sperm donor ?

That old "character counts" bilge comes back from time to bite a good family values Republican in the butt.

W stands for Bush the Worst
Lydia, you are exactly right: Bush is the worst to ever besmirch the Office, and he's destroying this Country.

If Character really counts, and I believe it does, how can you supporte Giuliani, who took his mistress in the mansion with his children there BEFORE he was divorced from their mother?

Even if that's not an issue with you or others, Rudy was surrounded by corruption and filth in his administration, and that should count to disqualify him for POTUS.

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