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Monday, January 21, 2008
Kevin James :: Townhall.com Columnist
Global Warming: The All-Purpose Farce to Control Your Life
by Kevin James
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Democrats say they want government to stay out of your bedroom.

Actually, they want government in every room of your house and in the ventilation system as well.

By now, you’ve probably heard about the proposal of the California Energy Commission to require that all new homes in the state be outfitted with a “programmable communicating thermostat,” an Orwellian device which would allow the government to control the temperature inside your house. Imagine: a government bureaucracy along the lines of the Department of Motor Vehicles or the U.S. Postal Service controlling the comfort level you are allowed to maintain inside your own home!

You may have read the elitist article in the New York Times which dismissed opponents of the plan as technophobic rubes.

And you might have done a high-five in your mind’s eye when you heard that the Commission was forced to table the idea after an avalanche of protests driven by the internet and talk radio (my talk radio audience was furious). A day later, the Commission dropped the idea entirely.

But this isn’t Yorktown, it’s the Battle of Lexington and Concord, and many hard years of struggle lie ahead.

The Democrats (a.k.a. global warming wimps) have found the rhetorical weapon they will use for at least the next decade to decrease your liberty while increasing their power, and that weapon is the hysteria over global warming.

If you think the interstate commerce clause of the Constitution is interpreted too broadly, if you think governments grab power by regulating anything with a budgetary effect, if you think the notion of public health has become an invitation for bureaucrats to tell you what you can eat or drink, you ain’t seen nothing yet.

Environmental doomsaying is one of the most powerful tactics that liberals use to obtain and wield power. At its heart, the Democrat Party is a coalition of interest groups that feed at the trough of the government. The more power the politicians and bureaucrats have, the more contracts and benefits the groups can gobble up.

Notice how the rhetoric of environmental protection has changed over the last decade to justify the expansion of governmental power and rapid erosion of personal freedom.

At first, the problem was “acid rain,” and liberals used the fact that clouds crossed state lines to propose onerous federal regulation of the energy industry. The first President Bush outsmarted them in 1990 by implementing a free-market program that monetized a limited right to pollute, and acid rain became an issue of the past.

By the mid-1990s, the liberals had turned their attention to “global warming.” Problem: the theory of human-caused global warming is challenged by the fact, among others, that average temperatures were higher during the Medieval Warm Period a thousand years ago.

Never ones to let facts stand in their way, the liberals changed their slogan a few years ago to “climate change,” which had the advantage of being impossible to disprove. Hotter or colder today than yesterday? We are destroying the planet! Our kids will have no air to breathe, no water to drink! Call out the National Guard!

People quickly caught on to the slickness of “climate change,” and the left changed its spots again, now demanding an armada of new rules and regulations to control the size of each person’s “carbon footprint.” (Of course, wealthy liberals like Al Gore and John Edwards purchase questionable carbon offsets so as not to impinge upon their lavish lifestyles. Sacrifice is for the little people). Frankly, our personal liberties would be better off if we had let Al Gore continue in his fairy tale claim that he invented the internet. “An Inconvenient Chat Room” would have done much less to harm our wallets than the cult-like following the propaganda piece “An Inconvenient Truth” left in its wake.

Everything you do has a carbon footprint and could be regulated by the government. If the Democrats have their way, you could face new limits on what you eat for breakfast, the way you travel to work, the computer on which you read Townhall.com, the medicines you take, the clothes you wear, the DVDs you watch, everything – everything!

“Carbon footprint” is code for limitless government intrusion into every detail of your life. Nothing is beyond the reach of a government determined to reduce your carbon footprint in the name of the environment. To these people, nothing is sacred, nothing is private, nothing is truly yours.

Not even your thermostat.

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The farce is big Government
the farce was creating the biggest bureaucracy ever to exist in the history of this Great nation.
Creating a bureaucracy to cure a bureaucratic failure is the insane doctrine of our day
Global warming is a farce but is mole hill compared to the mountain of giant government created under GWB/Rino coalition.

Hold onto your wallets
Hold onto your wallets, liberals will want government to make everybody to pay taxes to pollute!!!! Carbon taxes! Carbon which really isn't even a pollutant! And of course the government wouldn't use the money to reduce pollution, just to fund some other liberal cause nobody else wants or wants to pay for anyway.

And The Demo-Libs Have the Nerve . . .
. . . to accuse those seeking to wake up the American people to the threat of Islamofascism of engaging in "fear-mongering," or to characterize the so-called "war on terror" (so-called because it's being fought in a P.C. way) as a "Republican scare tactic" to control our lives. Ho-ho. The liberal left obviously knows all about fear-mongering and engaging in scare tactics to control our lives, because they're doing all that and more with the whole "global warming / climate change" etc., boondoggle.

And the Liberals worry
about the Patriot Act....Does anyone see the irony here?

Warning: Shameless plug for my blog to follow. To lampoon the AGW crowd's use of 'cuddly' animals to perpetuate their fraud, I wrote the following ditty...More parodies at my blog!

Inspired from the article asking if Polar Bears are Edible....

To the Theme from MASH

Did you hear about the ice?
They say that Polar Bears are Nice
But they are doomed to die you see
And all the blames' on you and me
But...
Polar bears are yummy
They taste good in my tummy
And I would surely eat one if I could....

I'm sick that bears our species trump
I'd like to kick the Greenies' rumps
The earth did fine without our aid
Send all those bears to Everglades!
For
Polar Bears are Tasty
Although their coats are pasty
And we could surely eat them if we pleased...

The other Irony
Remember all those sci-fi movies that refer to humans as 'carbon-based units?'

That's the bottom line, you see. WE are the Pollutants....hence we have shows on TV now (Discovery channel I think) that explore "LIFE WITHOUT PEOPLE"

Hmmmm....how is that bleak scenario going to raise revenues for film makers? Who's going to be left to watch? Or care? or Tax us into oblivion?

I advocate Life without BIG BROTHER!...now there is a film Idea I could sink my teeth into.

"Carbon Compromise" proposed
In a good-faith gesture of bipartisanship, the Republicans should pledge to support a Congressional vote on the carbon tax one calendar year after all the Dems stop emitting carbon dioxide. Naturally, Al Gore and the Supreme Court liberals who declared carbon dioxide to be a "pollutant" should be the first. Problem solved - actually, practically all problems solved!

Just As Effective
The 'War on Global Warming' will be just as effective as the 'War on Poverty'. The main difference is that this war will cost more money and will destroy any gains that came out of the one on poverty (if they exist). The very least that the Republicans have to get done is to put in any anti-warming legislation rules that force a cost benefit analysis be published on any regulation they pass.

If it is shown to America that we will spend trillions to lower the worlds temerature one tenth of a degree then maybe people will wake up to what is being fed to us.

The easiest way to stop global warming is to get China to shut down all those coal fired power plants. Hahahahahahahahahahah!

No global warming here
It is-12 today with a -21 wind chill, and we are some of the warmer folk in Canada today. I do not think Canada got the Global Warming memo.

Is anybody at all except Hollyweirds who have nothing to do because their union is on strike still paying attention to this?

Good article.
Kevin James is spot-on.

The Dems
simply ran out of excuses to raise taxes. They have milked poverty,education and kids to the point they can only raise taxes a few bucks here and there. Climate change opens up an eternal flood of taxes at every level of consumption.There will be billions funneled to liberal green special interests taking away resources to keep the economy and service human needs. The liberal won the Australia election based on global warming then immediately backed off when it came to spending money on it. The same thing is going on in liberal Canada. The UN wants to use global warming revenues to bankroll countries that will be hit with global warming. Of course it's poor countries. Climate change is very smart to only target poor countries.


There's no way the world's biggest polluters,India and China are going to sign onto any schemes to pay their share so why should American taxpayers be strapped with the entire costs. This is just another reason to defeat the dems and John McCain. Climate change is a lobbyist's wildest dream. It's no different than if trial lawyers could start suing asprin companies for not preventing heart attacks.

Another liberal scheme
Is to use government money to buy so called open spaces. It just so happens that other liberals own this property which can't be developed anyway for various reasons and sells it to the government at top market rates. You wonder where dem millionaires come from,well this is an example. Bill Clinton shut down a lot of federal property to natural gas after getting campaign donations from gas moguls in Indonesia.

Carbon Footprint solution
Thank you for a great column Mr. James.

I am going to hold my breath for three minutes each day (not all at once) to help out.

SNOW IN ATLANTA, BIRMINGHAM
Record low temperatures in the south.
It's snowing in Atlanta, Georgia and Birmingham, Alabama for the first time in memory for most residents there.

Yes, folks, Global "Warming" (wink, nudge) is doing all this to us.

But seriously, an analysis showed that even IF everyone complied with the Kyoto Accord, there would not be a noticeable change in the temperature.
But the costs of Kyoto alone, much less even more draconian measures proposed by liberals would cost hundreds of thousands of jobs in America and scores of billions of dollars in lost production.
NOT that it would affect Al Gore's or other liberal hypocrites' consumptive life styles, mind you....

Global Scam
When you come right down to it, the War on blobal warming or climate change or anything these socialist pukes want to call it, is nothing but the biggest scam played on the people of the US and the world. Notice how the biggest players in this ponzee game are getting very rich off of the carbin credit industry that has sprung up over night. Look at all of the green buisiness' that have appeared. It is not only a tax issue and control ploy but a way to get more of their supporters mega rich until only the few will be telling to many what they will do and what they won't do. I say start at the top of this criminal enterprise Al Gore, and drag them out into the streets and hang them from the nearest light pole. From the words of the great MLK, ONE DAY THIS NATION WILL RISE UP AND LIVE UP TO ITS CREED. Hopefully before it is to LATE.

Global Scam
When you come right down to it, the War on blobal warming or climate change or anything these socialist pukes want to call it, is nothing but the biggest scam played on the people of the US and the world. Notice how the biggest players in this ponzee game are getting very rich off of the carbin credit industry that has sprung up over night. Look at all of the green buisiness' that have appeared. It is not only a tax issue and control ploy but a way to get more of their supporters mega rich until only the few will be telling to many what they will do and what they won't do. I say start at the top of this criminal enterprise Al Gore, and drag them out into the streets and hang them from the nearest light pole. From the words of the great MLK, ONE DAY THIS NATION WILL RISE UP AND LIVE UP TO ITS CREED. Hopefully before it is to LATE.

Anyone notice?
Anyone notice that when facts are involved that cannot be debunked, the libs either stay away or whine and rant about completely irrelevant issues (e.g. seekeroftruth [sic] above)?

Come on, libbies, this is one of your pet issues! Fill this thread with your juvenile crap and provide us with some entertainment!

It's simply a disaster
The Democrats, and their allies of the RINO crowd, have put it to the US Citizen over and over again, but it would seem that people in the USA love being abused and robbed.
The Democrats stopped the recovery of known energy resources in the wilds (and I do mean WILDS) of Alaska and off much of America's shores (but the Chinese via Cuba's Socialistic regime can get OUR offshore oil), and much of that domestic energy product could be flowing (post-refinement) to a gas pump near you; the Democrats have also taxed you at the pump again and again since the 1960s and are planning increases NOW!
The USA once exported refined petroleum products, but guess what, the Democrats said "NO!" to the expansion of refineries here at home, so no new jobs and greater deficits of trade and we now IMPORT refined petroleum products!
France, the much maligned, can support its electrical grid with nuclear power now because they have no Jane Fonda and Hollywood to pump out the propaganda whiched allowed Democrats the opportunity to halt the domestic US nuclear power industry in the 1970s, but they are screaming about "clean" energy needs.
The Democrats, RINOs, and Jorge's "beloved biofuels" are driving up the prices touching most all aspects of your life right now, but whose screaming about the looming recession due to the "middle class" being squeezed?
It's all too tragic for me because the voters are just going to ask once again for more of the same.

Algore
Have any of you noticed that Algore is pretty quiet lately? I think since he "won" the noble peace prize, his ego has been satisfied(for awhile)like any hollyweird lib he'll need some attention again.Ever notice how you always hear from ex-or failed dem presidents?They just crave attention, maybe we could have some inane awards show for them every year? Then their egos would be stroked, and we wouldn't have to put up with their crap!As i type this it is 2 degrees in P.A.I sure hope america hires someone with even half a brain for pres.Even bush is giving in to the nut jobs! But i guess he never was a conservative.

one small difference
Conservatives are always touting the triumph of Reagan over the Soviet Union, but as Federal government has continued to grow in the USA, the only difference between the two central governments is a red brick wall.

Terrible global warming in Green Bay ...
yesterday (and for that matter most of the U.S.).

We should remember that McCain wants to use regulation to save us all from Global Warming doom. I think Bush is chomping at the bit to endorese these ideas so he will be liked by the Democrats and media (a motivation that has served his precidency so well).

McCain also votes to keep us from drilling in ANWR when gas prices are at record highs. And didn't our president do a fantastic job of using the bully pulpit to make sure we could tap into these reserves. Such a strong and persuasive leader.

Let's vote for another Republican president who is compassionate, has no real principles and wants to be liked by the media and reach out across the aisle of "partianship" to be buddy-buddy with the Democrats (as you note the party of Global Warming/Climate Change hysteria).




Doomsayers at it again
Does any remember when the same call went out for AIDS and this country was criticized around the world for not providing enough monies for developing the drugs needed to fight the spread of AIDS. Well it seems the same doomsayers are seeking to use the monies for the development of drugs to fight AIDS in other area's they deem more important then AIDS. These same doomsayers have taken it upon themselves to branch out because of the monies they got from the AIDS scare, and use it in area's that have nothing what so ever to do with AIDS. Does anyone remember the Tobacco tax too. Where did those monies go, after the doomsayers got a hold of monies from the Tobacco companies after the scare they put in the minds of the American people. The monies from the lawsuits of the Tobacco companies, also went to other area's that nothing what so ever to do with cancer, or second hand smoke that the doomsayers cried so much about. Next on the doomsayers list, global warming and the next big scare.

McCain People Be Afraid!
McCain is a believer in the Kyoto agreement and is a global Warming wimp! The light bulbs are just the beginning. Now it is OUR thermostat!
Professional, political parisites listen to LOBBYISTS who eventually get them into trouble! Have you forgotten the Lincoln Savings and Loan scandal? Here are some of the things McCain has accomplished in Washington, D.C... Keating, the comptroller, of Lincoln S&L was convicted of over 70 criminal violations in Arizona, McCain's home state. Senator John McCain was one of the ringleaders of the "KEATING FIVE" that cost the American taxpayers $160 BILLION DOLLARS. McCain/Feingold(D) Bill (assault on 1st Admendment), McCain/Kennedy(D) Amnesty Bill (for 12M illegal aliens) and McCain/Gang of 14 (Democrats/Filibusters), voted against tax cuts, McCain/Lieberman(I/D) (Energy Tax). What will he do as POTUS? Be afraid! Be very afraid!
http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=954&title=John_M cCain_in__quot_Missing__Presumed_Dead_quot _

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietna m_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c


Al Gore - GW
Al Gore will never be satisfied - he's a recovering politician - he will fall off the wagon and be back in our faces at some point.

Global Warming is real - emerging from the "Little Ice Age" obviously tells us this. From 1875 to 1940 the Earth warmed - from 1940 to 1975 the Earth cooled, all while 80% of the 20th century's output of CO2 was emitted during this same period of time - 1975 to present day the Earth has warmed. In the words of Bjorn Lomborg's book "Cool It" (a must read for Global Warming skeptics), Global Wamring is a result of anthropogenic and natural causes, however, the Kyoto Protocol, while spending trillions and trillions of dollars over the next 100 years will have little impact on reducing IPCC's forecast of a 4.50 degree increase in temp. The rabid, hysterical enviornmentalists are using GW to convert us to socialism (Nanny State) - they hate capitalism and the free-market place and would rather see the population shrink in order to save Mother Earth. What they don't understand is that the same free-market has "proven" it can successfully combat pollution and GW through new technological advances - the US has reduced its CO2 emmissions much more successfuly than EU. And, EU is jealousy screeming at us because of their inability to match our success. Let's pray that the Kyoto Treaty is never ratified by the US - we survived the Bali GW conference, so let's make sure we keep our collective heads focused on protecting our way of life and economy.

Great Column
He nails it. Global Warming/Climate change is hoax of herculian proportions. It has never been proven that our activities as human beings affect climate change in any way. But why let that stop liberals from trying to control everything in your life? Especially when they claim the debate is over, when nothing about the debate has ever been settled. Sadly, there are a bunch of idiots out there who will sacrifice liberty under the guise that their saving the planet. WE COULDN'T DESTROY THE WORLD IF WE TRIED! We could wipe ourselves out, and if we allow more liberals to hold power that will eventually happen.

It's All About Totalitarianism
Has anyone figured out why the UN & its creature the IPCC has taken the lead in pushing this bee ess?

Real simple; the logic of the climate change dogma leads directly to totalitarianism on a world scale. The UN has always intended to become the government of the world on a eurosocialist if not Stalinist model, & "global warming" has emerged as the perfect vehicle for achieving it. Provided, of course, they can keep batting aside the pesky little facts, marginalizing the scientists that don't drink their poisoned Kool-Aid, & their buddies in the US elite ranks incl the pop media keep up the relentless propaganda.

We owe California a thank-you for inadvertantly revealing at this stage what is really at stake with this nonsense.

Now, notice that the last federal "energy bill" ramps up the subsidies & mandates for ethanol. If the warmies really meant what they say, they'd be in DC protesting that idiocy that mandates MORE (harmless naturally occurring) carbon dioxide per unit of energy actually made available to the end-user. But no, not a peep about that farce; these clowns are a few miles away east, in Annapolis, protesting "global warming" in a snow storm to prod the MD legislature to enact draconian restrictions.

If McCain actually ends up being the nominee, I vote 3rd party, probably Libertarian (probably Ron Paul?) I cannot give a mandate to a shameless "climate change" Kool-aid drinker.

Buzzkat
Liberals would much prefer to simply inform the "deniers" that "the debate is over" than to actually have to confront facts that cast any doubt on their religion.

If the science is so settled, why does Nobel laureate/climatologist Al Gore refuse to debate anyone?

For the globalwarmingFARCE article
Thanks Kevin for reiterating these lies that Democrats make and pointing out their manifest hypocrisy.
They are chameleon in nature, in the 70's it was the "coming ice age' on the cover of the liberal rags, when that stab in the dark to the throats of free people never came to pass they shifted and began taking small bites out of our freedoms.

For example; the infamous Desert Tortise Scam.The tortise relies on cow dung for nutrients. Cow dung "greatly increases health, active periods, and egg production. And yet the environMental onslaught destroyed so many ranchers and their families. The 'little people".

The Infamous Southwestern Willow Flycatcher Scam, The Infamous Mexican Spotted Owl Scam, The Infamous Lesser Long-Nosed Bat Scam, The Infamous Ferruginous Pygmy Owl Scam, The Infamous Masked Bobwhite Quail Scam, Now we are moving to the largest Scam ever propagated by Al Gore, The Infamous Global Warming Scam. Will we escape it? Survive it?

"When the search for truth is confused by political(or any kind of) advocacy, the pursuit of knowledge is reduced to a quest for power."

This was a federal manager quted by Dr. John Rinne of Rocky Mountain Research(Operated by the U.S. Forestry Service)

Great article Kevin James, Hope you keep this topic going for as long as needed. Weekly woud be good.

Horrendous Global Warming in Pittsburgh
Single digits here last night. I think I'll fire up my evil SUV and DO MY PART TO ADVANCE GLOBAL WARMING!

There. That ought to send the liberals into a hysterical panic.

I was in Italy a few years ago
and it became unseasonably warm. Nothing could be done about turning on the air conditioning because of Italian law regulating the use of air conditioning...when and how high or low. So, it could be done here also.

As I sit at my computor, I heard a commmentator talking about how the ice above Greenland is not melting at the rate everyone thought it would except in the neighborhood of the erupting vaolcano which is heating the water. No SUV there!

Schwarzenegger Plans to Sue Bush
Is GOP split on global warming?

(CNN) — California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger plans to sue the federal government over its decision not to allow a California plan to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, he announced Thursday.

Environmental Protection Agency chief Stephen Johnson announced the decision Wednesday, refusing the state’s request for a waiver that would have allowed it to cut emissions faster than a new federal plan the president signed into law Wednesday.

“It’s another example of the administration’s failure to treat global warming with the seriousness that it actually demands,” the governor said at a news conference Thursday.

WATCH VIDEO


http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/schwarzenegger-pla ns-to-sue-bush-administration

The Democrats are after
a tax increase on this one. The Republicans want a cap and trade scheme. One takes all your money, the other creates winners and losers so the polls can sell influence for cash donations. That's what they did with acid rain. It's funny how that worked out. We put all those scrubbers on the coal plants and have gone to low sulpher coal and now they want all the coal plants shut down. Some one should be asking what the results of the money spent was on acid rain.

LOL, the answer is NOTHING changed. Acid rain is primarily due to PINE TREES and now we are supposed to plant more of them so Albore canhave a carbon sink.

As I have said many times here, everyone advocating this scam should be jailed.

BTW, the ONLY real candidate who opposed the AGW scam went down in flames Saturday. We are on to Florida now where the liberals will do even better.

So folks, standby we are going to get sone AGW laws.

FromTheTop1
I second your concerns and observations about McLiberal. If he gets elected we can all but gaurantee a sweeping environMental bill shoved down our throats and into our lives and homes. It'll make your heads spin with how fast the Democrats would have a bill on his desk for him to sign encroaching if not doing away with our freedoms in the name of environMental protection.

I shudder at the thought. Hopefully the num-nuts in South California(carolina) are not tell tale of the outcome.

FLORIDA- WAKE UP
Beat McCain down, you are the hinge in McLiberals door. Unhinge it. You can deflate his liberal bubble for good. Quit voting for him, send him back to Arizona with his tail between his legs.
A vote for McCain is a vote for a Democrat. I for one will not vote if McLiberal is the GOP choice. Many conservatives feel the same way. This will all but ensure a Democratic win.

Libs are the Enemy!
Islamofacists are the enemy from the outside, Libs are the enemy within! Libs must be stopped dead in their tracks with this attempted power grab. The morons that subscribe to the policies of the likes of Al Gore, Hillary, Obama or Edwards are the real imbiciles and are the enemy to this country!

Global warming is real
Global warming is real and (mostly) natural. How much of the current warming is caused by man? Maybe some, perhaps as much as 10-25%. But that's a far cry from what the climate change alarmists claim.

Climatology and climate science are very new. We are far from understanding how the climate works. It's clear however, that CO2 hasn't driven climate change in the past and it's highly unlikely that human activities caused the Medieval Warm Period or the Little Ice Age or caused the end of the Little Ice Age.

Climatology is also an inexact science. Different studies analyze the same data and reach different conclusions. The current warming is within the margin of error of measurement. Furthermore, climate models do not produce "facts". Climate models, no matter how scientific, are still projections.

Footprints?
Control thermostats? Surely they aren't THAT stupid! Do they actually think the people would put up with that? It's a bunch of BULL......

The only weapon against a lie . . .
is the truth. Political correctness will destroy us long before any global warming will - real or imagined. Thank you, Kevin James for an excellent article and each of you for your thoughtful comments.

At any time, there is occurring somewhere in this world some natural anomaly and, you can be sure, there will be a group ready to blame it on you.

In order to survive, these people must always have a crises on which to anchor themselves. If you hear the word "crises" come into the conversation, beware of the lie and be ready to counter it with a challenge - challenge it with the truth. Question the source and authenticity of their "facts."

To be sure, there are real crises in this world today, but how will we recognize them if we are so dumbed-down with this nonsense from the Left?

Nice Perspective, Kevin James
The short-sighted Liberals, again, want to conform their neighborhoods to their current hysterical and temporary fads. Instead of just living their lives as energy efficient and green as they wish, their insecurities require that eveyone else do it, too. What a fascist concept: "not just me, you have to do it too!"

Like lemmings, marching cheerfully in unison to their deaths, they have no idea where this will lead. I do. And, I want none of it.

Let's assume it's real and man-made
The 3 big questions about global warming are:

1. Is it really occurring?
2. What is causing it?
3. What can we do about it?

Let's assume global warming is really happening and it's mostly or entirely man-made. What can we do about it? Will any of the proposed remedies make any difference?

Questions 1 and 2 are scientific in nature. Politicians, activists and governments should stay out of that debate. Question 3 is a matter of policy and nobody has a proposed solution to the problem that will work.


But I was very very warm yesterday
... which I think, rather conclusively, proves that the entire globe is indeed warming ... and at an alarming rate! If golbal warming is a "hoax" than how could I be warm?

Lil' Robert's Super Ego Warm = global warming. The facts are inescapable.

I for one am totally in support of a Goverment controlled theromostat ... right now mine is set to 98 degrees and I can't seem to change it for the life of me.


As for carbon footprints ...
I am ashamed to admit I leave them everywhere I go ... I just left hundreds in the snow outside my house going to get the mail. Ye Gods how did things ever get this bad?

Excellent Column
This is a superb piece on the Orwellian / Marxist nature of the policies, hopes and dreams of modern "liberals". This is progressive? Sure. They want to control and dictate progressively more and more of your life.

Thank you, Mr. James, for writing such a succinct, powerful piece on the global warming...er, I mean global climate change debate. Oops, I forgot. Al Gore said the debate is over. Thanks anyway.

McCain & Swartzenegger Are Liberals
FromTheTop1 cautions, "McCain People Be Afraid!"

It is an absolute FM (in the Army, we called it F------ Mystery) to me how McCain or Swartzenegger have managed to carry the Republican banner. I do not know, personnally, of anybody that ever voted for either one of them. Or, ever would!

Where is the Shepherd's Crook? Shouldn't they be pulled off of our stage? Their mere presence is beginning to look like a very sick mockery of our party.

Has things changed? Did I miss something?

A Cold Day in DC
Right now, I could do with a little global warming.

According to The Weather Channel, the average high for January is 42°F, and the average low is 24°F.

It's 10:30 AM, the temperature is 24°F, and the predicted high for the day is 31°F.

So "global warming" is giving us days that are 11° colder than average?

I guess Al flunked his journalism courses too.


Of Course it's California
This thing with California wanting to control the temperature inside people's homes isn't all that unreasonable when you consider we are talking about people in California, who have a history of not thinking for themselves.

I remember not too long ago when CA was experiencing brown outs and rolling black outs, and people were being "urged" to set their thermostats at 78°F by none other than Barbara Streisand, who keeps her own manse at cool 60°F. "But oh!" they cried, "it's 90° outside and we need to cool off!"

"Right," I replied. "It's 101° here, and my house doesn't even have air conditioning. Try opening a window."

But no. That would make too much sense. Instead, California complained about other states using too much power, as if Nevada, Utah, and Wyoming combined were using one-tenth the power that San Diego or Los Angeles use all by themselves. So they switched to blaming the utility companies, whose only fault was not having enough power to supply the demands of a bunch of overweight morons who can't stand to sweat.

So maybe Californians really do need to have this taken out of their hands.

The life clock
Last night on Discovery Channel I watched a scary documentary on what would happen if a huge comet smashed into Mexico at 135,000 mph. It was a big mess for about six months and then the "life clock" reset and even in France there were civilized societies in place.

I don't know why they picked that spot for the comet to hit, save that perhaps that is where the last one landed -- perhaps so it could wipe out most of the USA?

My feeling is that if we can survive a smack amidships by a giant comet, the 'life clock' can handle anything we puny humans can do.

religion of global warming
Defying our Constitution, have they finally managed a wedding of church and state? Radical environmentalism has become a new religion, and California is married to an extremist denomination, where High-Priest/Ayatollah Al Gore pontificates.

But eventually the people will come to their senses and revolt, correcting those religious excesses, sometimes brutally, as occurred during the French Revolution. Pity if the good works of sensible environmentalism are chopped together with the excesses when the guillotine exacts its terrible revenge.

_SeekerOfTruth_ @ 12:55 AM

"... Global warming is a farce but is mole hill compared to the mountain of giant government created under GWB/Rino coalition."

It NEVER ceases to absolutely amaze me just how rabid these folks with acute BDS are!

The column was about gloBULL warming and government control of our lives, and somehow a rabid, acute BDS victim spins it to attack Pres. Bush.

Stunning! Absolutely stunning.




GW is caused by the sun,
which is warming the entire solar system. Mars, Venus, Saturn, Jupiter, and even little Pluto (now just a planetoid) are all warmer, and I don't think they are affected by SUV exhaust or coal-fired power plants.

I have said for YEARS that GW is an excuse to pile taxes, fees, and surchargers on energy. Al Gore in 93 and 96 wanted to add 75 cents to the federal gas tax. Those of his remaining supporters can compute for themselves what their local gas would cost if another 75 cents to $1.50 were added at the tank. Both times Clinton rejected Gore's proposal because he didn't want the White House attacked liked the storming of the Bastille.

Hillary, if pres., would institute the entire GW agenda: higher gas, higher home heating, maybe very minimal home cooling, electricity surcharges, natural gas pipeline fees, if you can think of it, she'll enforce it.

People quarreling over the Rep. nominee should remember that whoever the person is he would be better than any Dem. running. ALL of the Dims. are 19th C. socialists with the goal of higher taxes and more citizen control.

ModerateMark
I hope you enjoyed the games yesterday. Did you catch my response to your query? QUICK! Go read it. You need more ammunition!!

JefferyP- It's A FARCE
The same as Al Bore's "medal", the same as his grammy, the same as all environMental issues. They are all farces, all made up liberal shcemes.

The answers to your questions are

1. No
2. Nothing
3. We don't need to do anything as it is a liberal scam.

Power, Money and Big Brother
Man-made global warming is a huge farce being foisted upon us! Just follow the money!!!!!!!!!

YLG: YOU are on a roll today! :-)


I'm not even sure I can keep up with you!!! LOL






Discovery channel
If all of you have not noticed, the Discovery channel is more science fiction than science fact. All those scary what if shows are all theory presented like it is fact.
My children of high school age were forced to sit through an Inconvenient Truth. The power of propaganda on the young mind is powerful. I spent weeks trying to undo the movies convoluted logic. Because the movie was presented as fact it was hard to debunk even with common sense. Thermometer data from the news finally sunk in with record cold temperatures. I had to make them watch it.

MM
Yes, in 1997 the Senate voted 95 to 0 to table this farce. Since then we have a Republican president and the Dems have made this a "big issue" and have decided it makes the perfect excuse to raise taxes. Of course, everything is an excuse to raise taxes for the Dems.

Most of them know that this is a scam and they don't care. All you have to do is look at the so-called fixes. If the issue was really CO2 you would have something that limits CO2 and it would be revenue neutral and "wealth" neutral.

What I mean by that is the fix would not be a tax increase. If there were any "taxes" involved any increase in taxes would be offset by a reduction in other taxes paid by the people who absorbed the new taxes.

The limits on carbon would be applied equally to all. A "fine" for having a large carbon footprint would not be the fix because paying a fine wouldn't bother people like Albore at all. If he can afford to use more electricity and gas than the average small city a "fine" is not going to bother him a bit.

What should happen is a fixed amount of carbon per household inhabitant. If you use more than that your power is cut off. This is the way water was rationed in CA when I lived out there.

That fix will never happen, but it doesn’t matter because there is no “problem” to begin with.

Anne
My kids are driving me crazy, and my hubby is at the hospital doing an aphoresis, and I can't seem to get the "Spongebob" jingle out of my head....

Is it any wonder I'm all over the place??

CO2i s not causing GW
The earth's surface temperature is warming faster than the atmosphere as measured by satellites. If the air is warming more slowly than the earth's surface, the earth is not experiencing greenhouse gas warming. Period.

The theory that "greenhouse" gas warming has occurred on Venus is itelf a theory and that CO2, a perfectly natural gas produced by natural processes, is changing the climate is probably absurd.

The earth has been colder (many ice ages) and much warmer (seas 400 feet higher, no polsr ice caps, no ozone layer), and was even warmer for the ancient Greeks and Romans, whose springs were in our February.

Chaucer wrote of the drought of March, the 100s Years War of Europe was fought in winters that were mostly rain, and the "mini ice age" that started in the late Middle Ages is just changing back to warmer temperatures.

If you really want to lower CO2 emissions up to 2%, you have to end driving cars, using fossil fuels, home heating in winter, summer air conditioning (DC would empty out of its malarial swamp if there were no ac, maybe not a bad idea), and make people walk or ride bicycles and wear several sweaters. More older people would die during the cold, but it would relieve the surplus pop. as Scrooge said. The ec. would crash, but you would lower CO2 by 2%. It is never going to happen.

Newt Gingrich and George W
Did I hear Newt seriously address global warming on Rush? And have I heard that George is considering what to do about global warming? Why would conservatives with good info go along with the global-warmers? Who is selling these light-bulbs anyway? And battery-operated cars? Are they trying to use the government to get their products sold. I refuse and can't afford to get rid of my 20 miles to the gallon van to buy a battery-operated car. I don't want a car payment. I have one energy saver light bulb in my house. It throws depressing and ugly light. By the way I already pay for my carbon footprint . It's called a utility bill. I'm freezing in Columbus, Ohio.

ModerateMark
LORD, YOU CRACK ME UP!!

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I highly recommend it....!! ;-)

ModerateMark
Well, I'm at the Prelutsky thread, but I must warn you, Hal Donahue is trying to rewrite history over there.

We were talking about the plusses and minuses of eating squirrel, armadillo, and polar bear.

Hey! Where are all the libs?
Are they having a Talking Points briefing today? Are they snowed in somewhere? Do even THEY see the irony and nuttiness of talking about global warming when most of the country's freezing its tootsies off?


Oh, well, wait until Summer; they'll be back.


Freedom
We should all have to freedom to use our energy however we please as long as we do not use it to violate the rights of others.

ModerateMark and Math
"Once again I am troubled with this right form of math which gives us"

"(80% from the sun) + (20% from CO2) = 100% global warming."

A question for you Mark: How do you propose that CO2 is responsible for 20% of global warming? Is this CO2 being burned to create heat? If so, by whom?

Remove the Sun from the equation, Mark, and there is no heat left. No heat = no global warming.

See, dbz, THAT'S the problem
The Left nowdays defines EVERYTHING as an infingement on their right. Using "too much" energy infringes on their right to: cheaper energy or a cooler/cleaner/warmer/wetter environment or whatever the latest fad of the day is. It costs "society" money, which is a communal infringement on their "rights".

That's how they attacked smoking, by talking about their "right" to clean air (an argument that may make sense in the middle of Death Valley, maybe) and the "societal costs", etc. Same thing now with the Diet Nazis and trans fats and fast food.

That whole "rights of others" rationale opens all the doors.


LOL, Mark
I was making an observation, mainly about the relative quiet and lack of pseudo-scientific nonsense usually present on threads when this topic is raised.


Justpaul, take it a step further
No CO2 = no plant life.

I mean, let's get real here.



Maybe I should also mention: no plant life = no life at all on the planet.


Good points by posters
Mrs. Paddy notes the lie about polar bears dying (Hint: the ice that enviros claim is so essential to polar bears' lives is nothing more than than frozen salt water. They can't eat it, they can't use it for shelter, and they can't even drink it.).

Rich Boomker points out that carbon is not a pollutant. Neither is carbon dioxide.

Concerned American correctly identifies the hypocrisy of a left that demands civil liberties for sexual deviants and terrorists but assumes the right to confiscate citizens' wealth and control the use of their property.

TruLib points out how totally ineffective a bureaucratic solution would be even if global warming were real.

Spidey correctly identifies the whole issue in a nutshell. The libs just want to raise our taxes. If they could convince us there really was a boogeyman they would raise our taxes to fight the boogeyman. But even the libs aren't that dumb. So instead of "boogeymen" they say "global warming".

And Vic puts the whole thing in perspective. Not only did the Senate vote 95-0 that Kyoto would not be ratified if Clinton ever presented it (he never did), but the US was one of only seven countries who voted against the final draft.

Clinton himself didn't even sign Kyoto until Dec. 31, 2000, three weeks before he would leave office.

The Democrats never wanted Kyoto while Clinton was Prez and the left media never pushed for it then. Clinton signed it only to create a headache for his Republican successor. And the media has pushed it only for the same reason, and to blunt the economy under Bush so he would be viewed as an economic failure as Prez.

The left has used AGW the same as they have used the war with terror: to make political gains against the right. Patriotic my butt.

BrianR
"I mean, let's get real here."

And just WHAT are you trying to "get real" about Brian?

The math offered by Mark suggests that CO2 is responsible for 20% of global warming, yet CO2 does not, in and of itself, generate heat. So how is this the case?

Kevin James made EXCELLENT points...

Not the least of which, the "Orwellian device which would allow the government to control the temperature inside your house."

It occurred to me that the demo party would be more aptly named the "Orwellian Party" since that's exactly the direction their idiology wants to take us....





ModerateMark
You say what we should do if we actually can help(which i believe humans are causing nothing of GW)

simple..

Nuclear power...cleaner and more efficent.

whoops
let me finish(accidently hit enter)

the dems keep blocking nuclear power for some reason. It is cleaner than other forms of power. It produces more power cheaper. Nuclear waste is basically nil and if it actually becomes a problem..well we can shoot it out into space :P...its an endless vac anyways.

Insert blunt end first
I'm so tired of hearing about this enviro-thermometer.
Here are my gripes.
1. Please recycle. net effect: the recycle bins outside are overflowing into the street. (they can't afford the help to haul the stuff away.)
2. grow trees. net effect: no logging to make fire breaks etc. (forest fires go un-controlled)
3. War on terror. net effect: We're making them democratic. (now they're really united in their cause; more money down the tube)
4. War on poverty. I look around and they are still poor. net effect: I see richer politicians.

As the price of energy goes up, so go our problems. Drill for more oil in these sacred places and bring down the price of living. net result: That will give me a break!

BrianR
I find it amusing that the Left, which continaully clamors for alternatives for fossil fuels, also claims the right to cheaper fossil fuels, in effect saying that the prices needed to make alternatives viable must not happen.

Global Warming
Good article -- it certainly is a farce!

However, you did not mention one important point. It is not just Democrats! Look at John McCain.

McCain says the "Debate is over" -- the Globe is warming and Man is at fault. And since McCain claims he is "Omniscient" we must all fall in line with his planned regulation of our lives.

McCain also does not support drilling for oil in ANWR or off-shore.

How can anyone consider McCain a conservative? McCain is a power hungry Big Government Liberal just like the Democrats!

REP

Justpaul, I'm on YOUR side
That's my point.

Let's get real about the CO2 nonsense. If we don't have CO2, we'd have no plant life, and no plant life = no life at all on the planet.

I guess I didn't phrase it too well in my post.

Actually, increased presence of CO2 should logically lead to more plant presence, and studies indicate that is exactly what is, in fact, happening.

The problem for the global warming hysterics is that their position is by necessity postulated on the idea that the Earth is by nature a static system, and the idea's simply preposterous. The climate is in a state of constant flux.

10,000 or so years ago -- a mere blink of the geological eye -- SoCal was covered with a thick sheet of permanent ice pack. I doubt the woolly mammoths prevalent here were driving SUVs.


Brian
talking real facts of science and nature does not deter GW cultists.

They have had nearly 2 decades to master the MSM and man the leftists strongholds and are not easily deterred when they are claiming to speak from "love of mother earth."

They don't really understand how the earth, sun, solar system interact, and neither does anyone else at the moment. Our modern science is merely acouple hundreds of years old and changing information and perceptions all the time.

People really freaked over GW wouldn't be on this site. They would have donated their computers to recycling and stopped breathing regularly. But the GW people are enthralled with big cars, private jets, and whacky symbolism that makes them feel good. That's all it matters to socialists: if they have good intentions or feel generous, then everyone else that suffers from their nitwit ideas should feel grateful that the lefties thought about them al all.

I'll use cigarettes: for hundreds of years, smoking was considered a sign of worldliness, sophistication and high social aspirations. But, my great uncles called them cancer nails in the 40s, so somebody had an inkling of medical problems long before allergies and clean air became the tyrannical bludgeon to attack smokers. Now, the same lefties that promoted smoking in ads and movies as diserable are opporessing smokers with wailings and weepings over health and "rights." What the left giveth it taketh away, just like the God that most deny.

(I personally do not smoke not would encourage anyone to start. But I believe people have their own rights to smoking, sugar, or fast cars without the gov't intervening in the name of socialist perfectionism.)

dbz....you're looking for LOGIC?
You kidding me?

LOL

Absolutely, Renny. They have learned.
Back in the 70s, it was global cooling. That didn't happen.

So they switched to global warming. It's losing its luster.

The latest wrinkle is that global warming CAUSES global cooling.

Gotta love it! That covers all the bases!

Talk about Energizer Bunnies....


Which studies?
Moderate Mark asks: "...how does the sun warming the earth invalid the studies which shows the effects of CO2 emissions."

Which studies are you speaking of?

The articles I've read don't generally address the question as "X% of the heating comes from source A, while (100 - X)% comes from source B." Instead, they usually address some mechanism that they're testing to see whether it could have some effect or not.

The main reasons most scientists asserted that carbon drove global temperature changes were the correlation between historical temperatures and historical carbon levels, and the lack of a better culprit. Computer models of climate based on the state of the art back then (mid-90s) produced frightening predictions, and that sent certain elements into hysterics.

It's now generally known that the historic link between carbon and temperature is backwards (temp drives CO2, not the other way round), that 20th century temp readings don't track carbon increases well at all, and there are several plausible candidates for what's causing global climate change that have nothing to do with carbon.

You should read http://ncwatch.typepad.com/media/files/D-Evans2007.pdf for a good overview from a fairly dispassionate source. Dr. Evans works for Australia's Greenhouse Office, and makes 100% of his living from government AGW defenders, so it's not possible to dismiss him by calling him a stooge of oil companies or any other such nonsense.

(Unrelated to this topic, please visit my political blog, "Plumb Bob Blog: Squaring the Culture," at http://www.plumbbobblog.com. Thanks.)

BRAINWASHING THE MASSES

.....Has anyone noticed the rash of public service TV ads pushing ethanol and hybrid autos?

.....Green is the mantra of the day ...chant it slowly and hum ...resistance is futile ...

.....In one ridiculous ad this jerk says, "I want to grow my fuel, not drill for it" ...nobody asks why this is better for anybody except for people who profit from so-called green industries ...

.....Meanwhile the fools who run the Country refuse to drill in Anwar (McCain) or off shore and force the Country into an inflationary spiral by force feeding alternate fuels to a very ignorant and gullible public ...

.....As bad as it is we ain't seen nothing yet ...wait until Hillary is in charge and tries to appropriate the Energy companies profits to fund this Green Energy loser ...that giant sucking sound that Perot used to warn us about will be American Industries moving overseas .....COLOSSUS

BrianR: "Hey! Where are all the Libs?"
Do you suppose they really meant it when they said the debate is over???

Leave my therostat ALONE
Having just returned from China after spending a year teaching English at a university I have the experience of having my heat controled by the goveernment! March 21st the heat was turned off! Outside temperature was about 20 degrees! The U.S. government does too much now and I don't want the government thinking and making decisions for me! I'm glad a left communist California 3 years ago!

Hey BrianR: Here we go again...

circular thoughts... going nowhere.

Although rumor on the street is that you, personally, have something to do with El Nino. LOL So, cut it out!!!!

And, I also heard that P. Phil is responsible for those pesky underwater volcanos...you know the ones that warm the ocean water.

Have a chat with P.Phil about that, would you?

Thanks. :-)









Leave my therostat ALONE
Having just returned from China after spending a year teaching English at a university I have the experience of having my heat controled by the goveernment! March 21st the heat was turned off! Outside temperature was about 20 degrees! The U.S. government does too much now and I don't want the government thinking and making decisions for me! I'm glad a left communist California 3 years ago!

ModerateMark
You claim CO2 does cause global warming. It is just the opposite. I scanned inklings post so I hope Im not being redundant here but...Our studies have shown that AFTER global warming in the past the CO2 levels rose. CO2 was not the cause of global warming but rather global warming was the cause of CO2. I can't remember the site, but it showed the studies of the global cycles of the earth with the temperature vs CO2 levels which Im guessing they got from the rocks of the time?

MM
The real equation is:

sun + moon = nothing

That is because there is no globull warming. There is a cyclic temperature throughout the ages of earth that really has nothing to do with CO2. The CO2 increases 700 years AFTER the CO2 increases.

In fact, we have been cooling since 1998 and NASA and NOAA have hid that by tinkering with the numbers. They keep chaging the fudge factors used to determine what the "average" temperature is. We set a ton of new record low temperatures last year and we are probably setting some right now.

I call for stricter sentencing guidlines for AGW activists.

Hahahaha, Moderate Mark
So, you're asserting that history is meaningless? Because that's the only inference I can draw from your statetement.

The libs get a free pass on their nonsense from the past, once it's shown to be nonsense?

Sorry, bud, nice try, no ceegar. On second thought, not even a nice try. But that's typical liberalism: the global cooling hysteria of the 70s didn't happen, so now it's all irrelevant. Must be nice to have every new crisis happen in a history vacuum.

"Don't look at what I said in the past! It only matters what I'm screaming now!" Has that whole "ignore the man behind the curtain" thing going for it, if you know what I mean.


I also suggest you learn a bit about chemistry. Yes, plants do, indeed, need water. Another interesting phenomenon also occurs: as CO2 levels increase so does precipitation. Rain, in other words.

Voila! Water! As a matter of fact, in a figurative way you might call it water from Heaven!


Minky, Anne
Minky.............. HAHAhahahahaha! That was a riot!

We should be so lucky, but I never met a lib yet who knew how to shut up and sit down.


Yeah, Anne, I'm a secret agent for the AGW fanatics, and I planted the secret device that activates El Nino whenever I need it.

It's great to have super powers!


Prediction
I imagine the left, if it wins this presidential election will do what Europe did -- sign onto Kyoto or other supposedly high-minded accords, pass all kinds of regulations to control the population and the economy, then get a complete pass from the media when they fail to meet the standards set by the accords, because at least they were trying to "do something."

Individuals and corporations will be blamed for failing to meet impossible standards, not the left for proposing unrealistic, unworkable, ineffective solutions to a dubious problem.

This will, in turn, give the left ammunition for imposing further controls. Eventually the rationale for the controls will be forgotten as global warming turns out not to be the disaster the left claimed, but the controls will remain in effect, giving government bureaucracies a stranglehold on our economy.

Save this post. Look at it in 20 or 50 years. Send a $100,000 check to my children if I was right (don't worry, that will probably only be enough to buy a combo meal at McVegans by then).

GW Caused by Asphalt and Concrete
It is demonstrable that asphalt and concrete cause a rise in local temperature. You can prove it to yourself. Get yourself a good instant-read infrared thermometer, like they sell for checking meat on a grill. Go out and take a reading from the grass in your yard. Now walk out and take a reading from the road surface out front. The latter will be higher.

Ergo: asphalt and concrete cause global warming.

Hey, I know it's not a perfect theory, but it's as sound as any regarding carbon dioxide, and it even accounts for the temperature increase at ground level, where it's happening, rather than in the atmosphere, where it is not.

Maybe the whole problem is actually related to the construction boom over the last 100 years. If so, Al Gore can pay all the carbon offsets he wants; he and his mansion are still at fault.

Terror By Remote Control
The idea that the proven idiots that breed like rabbits in the California State beurocracy could control my thermostat fills me with terror. Someday I might return home and find my cats frozen into little feline catsicles or parboiled into steaming lumps of cat vindaloo. These morons cant do ANYTHING right! Global Warming in itself is totally Orwellian; to believe that its valid you have to totally forget the discredited data and claims of its advocates, made in months and years past,ignore physical law and basic chemistry and blithely accept the current explanation as Revealed Truth. If you can vote for Hillary Clinton because you want honest government I guess this is easy but those of us who still have functioning brains might hesitate to jump on the Central Economic Planning bandwagon even if it promises to fix the weather.

Lets assume NOTHING
Hey, JefferyP

First off assuming, makes an a-- out of U and me. Second any "conclusion" is aburd when the assumption isself turns out to be false.

How about let's assume Global Warming Isn't happening. What happens to the economies that are destroyed by the tax and spend redistribution of wealth when the truth finally does come out....Will a simple apology work? Assuming those responsible will be humble enough to ever admit their mistake? Or would those same individuals then find a means to continue to tax us to rectify their first mistake? Isn't that always the political solution?

Name one charity, one "non-profit" organization that does not first CONSUME the majority of what is donated or taxed on ADMINISTRATIVE fees? Salaries, Perks, Playground i.e. labs and grants for the handfull of declared experts. This applies to charity, politics, religion. Name one.

Second and this is really the biggie........Carbon Dioxide is an ESSENTIAL element in the process of photosynthesis...the very thing that creates the OXYGEN we breath...so if they are successful will they then comprise a scheme to TAX the air we breath because there will then be a shortage?

And third as many scientists who advocate GW there are those who don't who indicate that actually it is the rise in temperature that drives co2 in the atmosphere.

JustPaul
Are you referring to the data from the National Weather Service that had to be changed because they moved many of their monitoring stations onto asphalt to get higher readings. They then announced that the nineties were the 20th century's warmest decade on the basis of that data. When they were caught they were forced to recalculate, correcting for the error, and it turns out that the 1930's were, a direct contradiction of the basic tenet that increasing industrialization was causing a corresponding rise in temperature. This is only one of many instances where these geniuses have been caught playing with loaded dice.

BrianR: Yup! I knew it all along!
:-)

Yeah, Anne
I'm too stupid to stay inside the airplane.

I MUST believe in AGW.....


skep41
No. I'm referring to data you, yourself, can go collect right now (or as soon as you get yourself an infrared thermometer).

The NWS got caught trying to fix the data. They say it was a mistake. I say bullshite. They did it on purpose, probably in the hope of getting more funding for junkets to Hawaii where they all discuss how the beach used to be so much less crowded than it is now.

My point is simply to show that I can account for the increase in ground surface temperature quite easily. It's the asphalt and concrete we keep spreading out onto the earth. I haven't worked out yet how the stuff in generating heat, but given that I can show that there is a significant temperature variance between a spot covered with grass and a spot covered with concrete or asphalt, even when they are less than 10 feet apart, it must be happening. I'm still waiting for the grant from Al Gore so I can figure out how it's happening;-).

Eventually the greenies will figrue this out too. Then they will insist that we stop building. Which they already do. So life is, once again, shown to be a circle.

BrianR: :-) No, too stupid to stay

inside a "perfectly good" airplane... LOL


And, funny thing, you also had the cycles figured out... now it's cool, but in a few months it's going to warm up AGAIN, and then a while later... yup, it's going to cool down AGAIN.


And for your information, I heard today that Jan. 21st is apparently the "most depressed" day of the year. And, among the many reasons.... according the the shrink, today is the day that most people realize that they've gone back on their new years resolutions!

Well, NOT ME! I've not been sky diving once, nor have I even been bungee jumping! How's THAT??? Am I good or what??? :-)




HEY HEY HEY
I did not authorize AGW theory to be upgraded to "farce".

I call it gorebull warring
Algore is making war on the people of the war with his "nine lies".

LOL, Anne, you go, girl!
Yeah, I figure that after March 21, the spring equinox, global warming will again set in in the northern hemisphere, and over the next 3 months or so temps will rise a significant number of degrees.

If we're not careful, we'll have to put away our sweaters and coats, and don much more revealing attire (be forewarned, Islamo-fascists!) such as shorts, T-shirts, and bathing suits.

But I do ALSO predict that this phenomenon will only last a few months; it will very most likely be followed by another cooling cycle. I actually have named this period; I call it Fall/Winter.

Not bad, huh?

California
Where they are scared that George Bush is listenning to their dirty phone calls, but many have no problem letting the state government decide what the temperature should be in their house.

Bob, gotta tell ya
I live out here in Leftifornia........ and it is a CHALLENGE!


BrianR, Anne
Check out the name of the poster at 10:21 AM.

Yeah, YLG
Looks to me like another of Roberto's endless string of aliases.

What a headcase....


The solution is obvious
Point out that uncomfortable indoor temperatures will interfere with sex. Even if it's only a little, that's still too much.

That should put an effective damper on the zeal to control our thermostats.

Either that, or it will at least hang leftist advocates up in a do-loop for a strategically useful period.

BrianR: Man, are you GOOD!

Your predictions have been spot on for, what... for EVER!

Impressive! I don't know how you do it!!!



Lil Robert's Super Ego 10:21 Posts
Absolutely Hilarious.

ROFLMAO

BrianR
You do have a gift for words...

;-)

LOL Higene! You're full of it!
I live in Leftifornia, too, and have since 1970. There was no provision for an "override" in the proposal, at all. It was a flat-out blanket power for the Nanny State to take control of the settings on people's thermostats.

But you wouldn't want some "inconvenient truth" to get in the way of your little rant, now, would you?

I REALLY had to laugh at the "gun nuts" tie-in. Gun ownership could only be relevant in whatever passes for a mind in a liberal.

Higene
Your comment almost made me drop the AR-16 I just bought at Sears that I was converting to full auto. Of course we need the government to control our stupid anti-social behavior. Something as 'mildly progressive' as the incompetent morons in the state government switching off our AC in the middle of a heat wave makes eminent sense. The poor, who cant afford more efficient air conditioners, will have to be exempt in the name of fairness, Latinos and especially illegal aliens should also not be burdened by regulations obviously aimed at their oppressors and the geniuses that work for and run the state government will also need to keep their heads cool. People will, of course, have access to Cali's many fine attorneys to protect their rights and receive compensation for any inconvenience.I hope that people of a less progressive bent than you wont drive over to Target and get a window-mounted AC not connected to a thermostat. What could go wrong with this wonderfully mild progressive idea?

What do gun owners
have to do with house climate controls?

Do all liberals want my former students who are lucky to be able to get from one end of a hallway to another to determine the price of gasoline, the temperature of your livingroom, and the fat in your meal?

Can't people think for themselves?

Nothing New Here!
A few years all the fuss was about the non-existant "ozone hole" and how it was causing deformities in frogs and we were all going to die of cancer. The simple truth is that the annual THINNING of the ozone at the poles is an entirely natural and cyclic event having nothing whatever to do with flourocarbons (which never reach the altitudes required to affect the upper-atmosphere ozone). Now we know that this event is caused by solar flares.

Meanwhile, we have spent billions producing, converting to and buying a less efficient refrigerant that requires more energy to produce the same amount of cooling. Now that we know the truth, have the restrictions been lifted? Certainly not! Government never relinquishes power over the people once it obtains it.

As bad as that scam was, it is NOTHING compared to what they can do if they can convince people that there is such a thing as AGW. There is ABSOLUTELY NOT any significant amount of warming caused by human produced CO2.

continued...

Hahahahahahaha, Higene
Your posts are getting ever more incoherent and maniacal.

Better check and see if your hair's on fire.

That was a riot!

Time for a Valium refill.


Has ANYONE been able to make even a

teeny tiny bit of sense of Higene's posts???




I didn't think so.




Lets See Higene
In this conversation about Global Warming you've brought up gun control and abortion, two moribund issues with virtually no legislation pending. Global Warming Baloney (aka Government Planned Economy) has every lib in the country yelling for higher taxes and quasi-nationalization of the entire economy. We're the fascists? Hitler and Mussolini (a former Socialist and a National Socialist) both allowed private ownership in a totally government controlled economy. You libs are the crypto-fascists. Please tell me how turning the economy over to discredited Socialists is going to fix the weather (except that it will crush any economic activity, thus lowering pollution).

Nothing New Here! continued
Considering the fact that good old water vapor comprises at 80% to 90% of all "green house gas (more in the tropics and less at the poles) and that most carbon dioxide is produced naturally by such things as volcanos, rain forests, termites and all other animal life and that in addition to CO2 there are other natural "green house gasses" such as methane and in addition, considering the fact that life on earth as we know it would not exist WITHOUT green house gasses to moderate the temperature... This is not only bad science, it is perfectly silly.

Although AGW is perfectly silly, not many people are sufficiently informed as to why it is silly.

What government can do to us with a perfectly silly hypothesis is unfortunately not silly at all. It is a pathway to totalitarianism.

Dr. Ron Paul for President
It seems the majority of the folks on line believe that GW is a hoax. Did you know that McCain is not only a believer in GW, he will go along with the dems to do something about it? This is scary as he is condidered a Republican front runner for the Presidency! Not sure about the other condidates, but I know Dr. Ron Paul will not allow a bunch of tree huggers to change our policy about GW if it doesn't exist, especially if it violates our constitutional rights. Vote for Dr. Ron Paul, he is the only true Republican conservative candidate!

The sad reality
The sad reality of all of this is that our children are being taught about all the "Evils" of the world in school. My daughter a very bright young lady, currently studying zoology in college believes all that has been fed to her by her science teachers in high school and middle school. Even when presented and asked to read the other facts, the other side of the issues, she still believes what her teachers have taught her.

And the reality is that she has registered to vote as a democrat. Why, because they Democrats agree with her teachers and that mankind is evil and has hurt and continues to hurt the environment.

Her brother, a college history major, has learned and keeps learning from history. He registered as a republican.


Higene
to go with your mode of thinking

I would rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than riding with Ted Kennedy.

Nope, Higene
You took an incorrect and erroneous inference from the article. First of all, I've read the original proposal, and there was no provision for an override. You drew a conclusion, and it was flat-out wrong, bucko.

Secondly, who gets to determine when there's an "emergency"? Why... the California power commission, that's who. Subject to no oversight or anything else. Hell, they could declare a PERMANENT "emergency", and there's not a damned thing anyone could do about it.

Further, this is no concern of the government's. If I want to waste power, that's my right as long as I pay for it. If I want to burn dollar bills in my fireplace, that's my business and nobody else's. If I want to water my flowers with milk, that's not your concern, as long as I bought the milk.

The power company has the right to SELL power, not regulate it. Otherwise, it's time to do away with the government monopoly on it.

As to that last paragraph: man, you typified the liberal mindset almost to a charicature level.

Yep, can't have too much of that there individualism! Can't have people making up their OWN minds! Who the HELL do they think they are, anyway, upsetting the hive drones that way?

You guys are a real danger to this country, and I say that in all dead seriousness.

Higene
A lot of us live in California. You know why we have brown-outs during heat waves? Because the power generation facilities serving California have been kept so primitive, inadequate, and/or inefficient, relative to the growing population -- by government fiat, and in response to the concerns of "environmentalists."

It is interesting to note in passing that if we acknowledged the total number of people that actually inhabit the state and use electricity here, it would dwarf our outdated generation capacity even further.

Moreover, the strain is felt only during unusual heat waves, which occur at most in one to three weeks out of a year. The vast majority of the time, Californians are sensibly calibrating their utilities use to the weather. It saves money to do that.

Consider further that the brown-outs never afflict the Palm Springs/desert cities area, where people use a/c 24/7 in the summer months. The brown-outs occur in the coastal counties, where population has outstripped power capacity, even for the much more sporadic incidents of high loading.

Californians should be able to choose whether they will add generating capacity or continue to face brown-outs when it gets really hot. Frankly, the people who live and work in urban LA and Orange Counties should get to decide that for themselves. They're the ones affected by the brown-outs, not the lobbyists in Sacramento.

Higene, You are a raving nutjob!
" tell us dumb liberals why that same 'fascist concept' does not apply to your campaign for legal prohibition of abortions?"

Very simply, when is it OK to murder your children? Someone needs to ask when a "fetus" becomes a person within the meaning of the law and is therefore protected by the constitution.

Is it at conception, as some believe, when it draws breath as some others believe or is it at some time in between those two extremes?

Hmmmmmm?

BrianR Re: 2:54 post
RIGHT ON!

Thanks, Wally
.

BTW, Higene
Re your mention of "street to street fighting".... what are YOU guys going to do the fighting with?

WE have all the guns, remember?


Further, I have yet to see the day when a liberal has the guts to shoot off anything more than his mouth.


Higene
Perpahs if your state allowed more power plants to be built, you would not have brown outs when your neighbor leaves the AC on all day.

Never
The day we collectively give our government-be it state or federal-the power to control the temperature in our homes, is the day we deserve whatever we get.

I cant fathom being cold all day because the government has my thermostat locked out at 59 degrees. Those of you who support this kind of thing seriously need to wake up.

The Rock, Time to face the facts.
I will not be elected president, even though I believe in the constitution, but I have as much chance of being elected as Ron Paul does even if he were able to get the nomination.

While I may admire your tenacity, don't you think that it is time to consider a cantidate who can actually win in Nov. or do you just enjoy exercises in futility.

I will not vote for McCain either and I don't think Huckabee could win. That still leaves Romney, Guiliani and Thompson as possibilities or maybe someone who hasn't even announced yet. My bet is on Romney.

bob: How right you are!!!

As James mentioned in his column, this is quite "Orwellian."

And as I posted above, the dems are becoming more and more "Orwellian" in their idology.

NOT a good thing!




As a matter of fact, I think that I'm going to start referring to the demo party as the "Orwellian Party." Maybe some will get the idea.




bob, Don't you know
That the govt. of Cal. says that people would have the ability to over ride their setting?

If you believe that it would stay that way, you probably also believe that fastening your seat belt is optional.

Let's face it
If there were an "override", what would be the point of creating the ability in the first place?

Everyone would simply inactivate it.



I remember when they were first proposing the mandatory seat belt law. It had HUGE opposition, and in order to get it passed, the politicians (read: "liars") assured everyone that nobody would ever be pulled over solely for a seatbelt violation. That offnese would only be cited if one were pulled over for another violation.



Can anybody say "click it or ticket"?


So its not true, its all lies?
I find it ironic the Republicans are the authoritarians, control freaks that do things like trump up terrorism and use fear mongering to control the PEOPLE, now call climate change a plot to control us? Paranoid much?

There is climate change, which is a FACT. Now its an evil plot.

What is up to debate is WHAT is causing it.

What is up for debate what to do, but no one is trying to CONTROL you.

Republicans pride them self on being so practical, logical and always right, right?

1/3rd of all world oil reserves used the last 100 yrs. At the rate of use now, the remaining 2/3rds will be gone 100 years. Its also getting harder to get that last 2/3rds oil, meaning cost will go up more more.

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WHY IN THE HELL WOULD WE NOT WANT TO TRY TO CONSERVE ENERGY?
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WHY IN THE HELL WOULD WE NOT WANT TO DEVELOP ALT PWR & BECOME THE LEADER IN ALT POWER?
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Soooooooooooo stupid to fight this & be big babies, cry & whine because the poster boy is Gore, who you HATE. Your hate for the "libs" clouds your judgement. You all complain about the HATE America crowd or the Hate Bush crowd but you are also HATERS

(BTW the latter, Hate Bush is for cause; Bush, "the decision maker", is incompetent & got us in a war we should not be in, for dubious reasons. All his pre invasion & occupation promises/predictions where WRONG. The war / occupation was poorly conceived, planned and rushed. That does not make you mad? Than you are a uber partisan and will not even read this far.)

Nuke power, wind, solar, new ocean hydro, alternative fuels (not corn based) and conservation (yes the C word) may save our country for our great great grand kids.

Most "conservatives" are short sighted & greedy, so saving the world for our kids means nothing to you. Thank God for the Dems & Liberals to temper the true control freaks, you.

Been sniffing glue again, Roberto?
Putting together new jets to "fly"?

There are many so called "controls"....
Count the ways the government controls citizens...the 'legalized' ways citizens are subjected to government 'help', and don't make a peep reminds me of the frog in increasingly hot water. Maybe with the help of Al Gore the temp would be gradually turned up in the homes of conservative homes...and we conservatives would boil in our own homes, without complaint....hot and happy and "private"--except for all the government 'insight' and 'control' of the size of our homes, the lake or swamp or pond on our own properties, the right to cross our land with power lines and take down a single house to build 'condominiums'...with socialized controls. Condominium associations now control a great number of our population...and all property there, all grass and trees, are under the control of THE MANAGEMENT, THAT CITIZENS HIRE TO TELL THEM WHAT TO DO AND WHEN.

Hey, we pay to be NANNIED, ALREADY. We need some other drummers to march to this presidential election. People have learned to march to the music everyone else does, like sheep. "All we like sheep have gone astray, and turned everyone to his own human way...therefore we need a Shepherd like Jesus who clearly states, "For liberty I have set them free."

continued...yep we need to exercise


God bless America, and uncomfortable Americans who long for another "Tea Party"....forget tossing tea bags, toss out the freaky controllers, trained by our non-conservative Universities and the money hungry MSM. Find your potential in Christ, and help and serve one another by empowering the people in the brave faith of our fathers (and mothers). We have a godly, awesome heritage in the USA...and it's not from Harvard, Yale, Princeton, etc...it's from pastors and priests and rabbis and parents and churches and home discussion groups and people who take the risk of trying to include the all the people. I like Mike Huckabee...and think he includes us in the America my parents talked about and helped forge.
I also like McCain...conservatives with vision are needed...the past is past. Bring building maaterials and start with EDUCATION...our kids are not being taught 'freedom' as we have known it in our public schools....but they're taught to walk in lines, and color inside the lines...and blame parents and presidents and society for their own choices. Responsibility is foundational in our democracy...take it. Act for freedom...we still can, but barely.

You may be a Jetpilot...
But you're no rocket scientist!

Nobody said anything about being against saving energy.

Nobody said they were against developing alternate energy sources.

Nobody said we don't have climate changes.

YOU'RE DREAMING AGAIN

BUT

ANTHROPOGENIC global warming is a fiction!

CO2 causes global warming like dirty diapers produce babies and forest fires cause matches.

Get the point genius?

Wally
Jetpilot is one of Roberto's many aliases.


Brian, that would explain why his post
is so completely lacking in any sign of intelligence.

Anne, you are quite right
"And as I posted above, the dems are becoming more and more "Orwellian" in their idology.

NOT a good thing!"

Except, the word IDOLOGY should be THEOLOGY

Yeah, that does say a mouthful
All the explanation anyone ever needs.

jetpilot
"I find it ironic the Republicans are the authoritarians, control freaks that do things like trump up terrorism and use fear mongering to control the PEOPLE,"

Wally pretty well summed up your idiocy.

I would like to know how fear mongering about terrorism is controlling your life?


Population Control and other comments
Let's not forget that some in the Church of Global Warming want population control and even the eradication of the human species. They say part of the problem is children (which puts them right up there with cow flatulence).

It's sad that most of the GOP candidates (and even the prez!) have been brainwashed into this cult. (OT: What was SC thinking!) So we can't blame just the liberals/Dems.

Ethanol is a waste of time and money. We should be putting out efforts toward hydrogen fuel cells because they emit nothing! Better air quality, not global warming. Now higher corn prices is another thing Mexico can cry to us about.

Hi there jetpilot...you're up in the air
comparing apples with oranges...but as uncomfortable perhaps as I am, and you are, with things as they are--let's change things for fairness, starting with an understanding of The Fair Tax....or Education. You're not saying things are perfect...and humans aren't either, but we can build it and repair it...for sure.

Liberals are thought to be generous, I've found that liberals are generous with taxes and selfish with their own money in general--and conservatives who work and pay taxes are willing to help their neigbors IN PERSON, with real sense and dollars.


GEEZ!!
What's wrong with the libs?? They cried about the lack of evidence in going into Iraq, but when a COMPLETE lack of evidence exists for AGW, they say we need to do something "just in case"...we need to "buy some insurance"....."what's wrong with being cautious?" Maybe Bush was just being cautious?

There has been no warming since '98 and record cold temps were set worldwide last year and some are being set presently. The "what if" should be .....what if we are going the other direction into a freezing period???

This is the FOURTH cycle since the late 1800's and they all come about every 40 years, so we are due for another COLD cycle. Example.....Greenland is experiencing freezing waters in areas for the first time in a decade.

Ever notice how they DON'T want to acknowledge the facts of it's getting colder. They want their GW hysteria. You can't take it away from them. They HOPE it happens just to show how awful mankind is and prove humans are a disaster. Must be horrible to be so self-loathing.

Random sampling and statistics....

Most funded studies turn out the way the initiator ( with the thesis) wants them to turn out, incidentally, in spite of so called 'random' sampling...saw that on a program on Public TV...and that did surprise me. : ) Sometimes the facts surface in spite of the suppression of balanced truth--this suppression being so evident in textbooks and in new curricula. Check a college course outline, and DON'T CRY...TRY TO DISENFRANCHISE profs promoting the HALF TRUTHS -- PROMULGATED BY THOSE WHO RULE WITH Ph.Ds--not all but many of these 'uneducated, unbalanced freaky controllers of polite society' are just 'piling lies higher and deeper'....um ah... some have another synonym for "lies"...but lies works for me. People with 'experience' and less formal education are regarded as incompetent. The home school movement has proved that to be wrong...informal education....like Lincoln who studied at home to become an atty (that is not allowed today...must pass the LSAT first, and then go to a school of LAW and pay big bucks); informal education to put it bluntly, is effective education. It helps kids focus... and not be forced to jump into a new topic every 20 minutes as often happens in our public schools.

Protect freedom by balancing bad profs with good profs....sure we do need to define bad and good, but EVEN A KINDERGARTENER KNOWS THE DIFFERENCE.

gofer you don't understand...
"Ever notice how they DON'T want to acknowledge the facts of it's getting colder."

Don't you know that this cold weather is just a symptom of global warming?

Yea right.

Charity shall not begin at home--gov't !
Studies and clinical trials need to be re-assessed, and have an added component called "real life experience" added to the mix.

At the U of MN, in the School of Pub Health ethics curriculum, it was recommended that 'charity' not be allowed. N neighbors could not have an auction to help an amputee, a veteran, or a child whose parents were perhaps unemployed due to caring for many appointments for the kid with cancer. If Billy Bob gets help, then all the neighbors (who don't need help) have to be given the same amount of money. 'Creeping socialism' has turned into 'leaping socialism' in our Universities, where less than 5% are conservative Christians--the truth seekers who have a system of law and order, and yet of mercy and charity.

Talk about outsourcing...it has long been a plan of the Universities to disenfranchise the tax payers who pay the way of the 'ivory tower' profs, with their noses in the air. Some teachers and professors are sought from outside the US... in my own educational experience these 'guys' are often anti liberty, anti Christian, and exude disrespect for Americans...and WE PAY THE OUR TAXES. SHEEPINESS HAPPENS!

Those profs have had the right to be opinionated and wrong--and unchallenged for way too long. Rising 'controls' are evidence that freedom is being compromised.

Great point, Gofer!
Double standrard, anyone?

laughable
It's always interesting to watch people get up in arms to attack the manufactured crisis of "global warming"; seldom does the equally manufactured "war on terror" inspire the same passionate questioning of validity thereof.

It's all the same stuff people. Liberals worship their planet, conservatives their national security; all bow at the alter of controling your life and eliminating your freedoms.

Charity
Just for the record:

The Knights of Columbus does not consume the charitible contributions by administration, etc. Charitable giving totaled over $139 million in the 2005 fraternal (July 1 to June 30) year, up nearly $4 million from the previous year.

The Knights of Columbus is 125 years old.

Who's laughing?
I'll tell you what, $:

The next time a warm front crashes planes filled with people into buildings, I'll join you in attacking those who claim it didn't happen.

The next time a cold front takes hostages in Iraq and then cuts their heads off on video, I'll join you in denouncing the deniers.

The next time a weather pattern sets off an IED in Baghdad, we'll go there together and hold hands and sing "Ebony and Ivory".

Until then, however.....

The "war on terror" was declared long ago by those who use terror as their political means. The only thing that Bush did was to r