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Sunday, June 07, 2009
Ken Connor :: Townhall.com Columnist
Assisted Suicide Endangers All
by Ken Connor
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Last week in Washington state a 66-year-old woman with terminal cancer made history as the first person to undergo physician-assisted suicide since that state legalized the practice in November of 2008.

Proponents of legalized suicide celebrated Washington's approval of this policy as a victory for the "death with dignity" movement. These suicide advocates, in keeping with the rhetorical tactic of their ideological cousins in the pro-abortion movement, equate "dignity" with "choice." Unfortunately, as with the abortion debate, the "choice" rhetoric of the right-to-die movement eclipses critical moral and ethical questions which ought to be at the forefront of the debate.

Is suicide really a way to honor life and preserve dignity? What are the social and cultural implications of normalizing the "right to die?" Will voluntary physician-assisted suicide give way to involuntary physician-assisted suicide where doctors decide whether their patients would be better off dead? Will the "right" to suicide be transmogrified into a "duty" to commit suicide? Will the elderly who consume more than they produce be deemed "resource hogs" that have a duty to die and get out of the way? In an age of scarce economic resources, will the critically ill or the handicapped or the demented be viewed as expendable by their younger, healthier counterparts? How will the medical profession be transformed if those who are trained to cure are given a license to kill? These and many other questions should be asked and answered before we decide it's okay to encourage terminally-ill persons to choose self-destruction in the name of dignity.

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But we won't get answers if we allow this debate to be defined solely in terms of the euphemistic "right to choose." Indeed, these questions won't even be asked.

Dying with dignity does not require suicide. The question, "Do you want to suffer and die or die with dignity?" presents a false choice and assumes that there are only two alternatives at the end of life—pain or death. Properly employed, modern medicine has the tools to mitigate pain. Hospice care, for example, employs a multi-disciplinary approach to ensure that terminally-ill patients endure their final time on earth with dignity—free from pain and nourished physically, emotionally, mentally, and spiritually. Hospice care does not seek to stop the dying process. The goal of hospice care is to make a difficult time as comfortable and peaceful as possible for both the patient and their loved ones. The important distinction between palliative care and physician-assisted suicide is that the first respects the inviolability of human life in spite of the difficulties presented by illness while the second rejects the sanctity of life in favor of an expedient escape from pain and fear.

The embrace of the right to physician-assisted suicide endorses a form of radical, atomistic individualism that ignores the fact that people are part of a larger community—including families and society—and that the decisions of individuals impact others as well. One does not have to look very far to see that granting a license to kill to those who are trained to cure undermines the ethics of the medical profession: Holland's embrace of voluntary physician-assisted suicide quickly led to a rash of involuntary "suicides" perpetrated by doctors who presumed to know what end was best for their patients.

We ought not to confuse curing with killing. For thousands of years, physicians have taken an oath to first "do no harm" to their patients. Changing the paradigm to "kill or cure" will wreak havoc on medical ethics and put untold numbers of lives in jeopardy.

The philosophy animating the right-to-die movement is that life's value is measured only by material standards. Once those standards are no longer being met, one's life no longer has value. In contrast, those who view life as a sacred gift from God believe that every stage of life is precious and holds unique meaning. This is true even at the end of life. There is meaning to be found in suffering, not only for the person suffering, but for those providing care and comfort to the sufferer. A person's final time on this earth is a time for reflection and absolution, a time to share love and forgiveness. For those providing care, this time provides an invaluable opportunity to provide comfort and succor in a most profound way, and it affirms the fragile and precious nature of life.

Euthanasia means "good death"—but where should we draw the line? Exchanging a "sanctity of life" ethic for a "quality of life" ethic will put the weakest among us at great risk. If our society adopts the notion that the terminally-ill are mere vessels of pain and decay—no longer worthy of our best efforts at care and comfort—it will set a dangerous precedent that will inevitably impact other vulnerable members of our society.

When quality of life becomes the reigning criteria, then not only the terminally-ill, but the disabled, the elderly, and the infirm become prime candidates for "dignified" death by suicide. Consider the elderly for a moment: A significant proportion of elderly residents in nursing homes are afflicted with age-related disabilities and dementia. They often don't know who they are, or where they are. Frequently, they don't recognize their children and, in child-like fashion, they may require assistance with even the most basic activities of daily living. A compelling argument can be made that their "quality of life" has been diminished. How long will it be before doctors, family members, and legal guardians who embrace the quality of life calculus decide that the lives of such individuals (who are also expensive to maintain) are no longer "dignified" and are unworthy of living? This terrifying prospect has already become a reality for some vulnerable individuals right here in America. It will only get worse unless we seriously reevaluate the merits of the right-to-die movement.

As with other issues involving life's most critical questions, the right to die is not a simple matter of "choice." Its implications stretch much further than the wishes of any one individual. It is incumbent upon policy makers to understand these implications, and to not be swayed by the misleading rhetoric of choice, or the allure of the bottom line. They will also do well to remember that the idea that there are some lives "not worth living" undergirded Adolph Hitler's Aryan-supremacy world view. His policy of eliminating the "unworthy" began with the mentally handicapped and physically disabled but spread to millions of Jews.

The world has seen what happens when we embrace the notion that there are those among us whose lives are not worth living. We must not repeat this mistake again.

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Ken Connor is Chairman of the Center for a Just Society in Washington, DC.
 
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To Steve
Amen for good letter. I don't bring religion or politics into ANY of my beliefs.

Its common sense.

If you knew that you would be totally demented (even if physical pain could be controlled) would you want to live in a nursing home, in diapers, not knowing your children, realizing your estate is eaten up by expenses to keep you alive?

If you WANT to do that, the government will help you. If you want to peacefully die, your on your own. (Until 1967 suicide was actually a CRIME in many states)

Its about personal liberty. God gave you a brain and the ability to make a decision. The GOVERNMENT decides whether to help you or not.

To Jeffersonite:
Which universe are you in?

The vast majority of adults who live in those nursing home conditions you describe would have chosen to end their lives BEFORE they became that way. They would be THEIR decision. How can you possibly compare that to an innocent child?

HELLO!




We watched our neighbor
care for his Alzheimer's stricken wife. He refused all offers of assistance, excepting his SIL, perhaps because he felt that her care was a private matter not to be shared with other caring people who were nonetheless strangers.

We watched her change from a lovely, vibrant woman into a crabbed and totally dependent little old lady. When we first met, I remembered thinking she seemed a little 'off' somehow-then it hit me, though she always recognised me until very nearly the end. It truly was sad to see, and the day I brought the kids home from school to find both the coroner's vehicle and sheriff's car across the street was a day I won't ever forget, because "Tom" had loved his wife to the last.

Our neighbor wouldn't have had or done it any other way. He faithfully fulfilled his vow to stand by her in sickness and in health, she died peacefully at home, and nobody wished they could call for 'assisters' to make sure she died with 'dignity'. "Tom" told me the day after that between him and his wife's sister they simply did what needed doing, and did it with love. No quibbling, just acceptance and love-and it was a 24/7 situation for quite awhile.

There are worse things than needing to be cared for.


Pula & Oregon Lady
Paul - your post was the best laugh I had all day; too bad it went right over the head of most around here.

O.L. - touching story, and the best anyone could come back with is something like: "man up and kill yourself, don't look to the gov't for help." Typical right wing moron; thoe who most need assisted suicide are in no position to take matters into their own hands. If there really is a God, folks like that will spend a decade or more locked in a body with no motor response, only constant pain.

And when will people around here stop referring to "God's will" when discussing pending legislation? WTF does some fairy tale fantasy have to do with the laws we use to govern our society? I don't believe in your god and I will not let your 'faith' interfere in my right to self determination.

Anyone seen Obama's numbers recently? And if you really want some good news, take a look at his numbers for people under 35 or any of the fastest growing demographics ( the GOP is a party with NO future)

radical, leftist, atheist, and remarkably well-employed; life could be much worse
(if only Texas was serious about secession, then we'd have reason to party!)

Well written, Ken
Ken has mentioned Hospice, etc. The subject at hand is "assisted suicide".We know where this leads...other nations have legalized it.The outcome is always the same...the "right to die" becomes the "obligation to die" and finally rests within the choice of the medical community (not the individual).It is a giant step from the "Hospice" we have now to the "shot". With our health care in shambles right now...all we need is to have Grandma fall into the loving hands of hospital administration (sharpening their pencils). Killing a terminal patient eliminates that last 6months of expenses for a hospital.Right now I hear nightmare stories...without "assisted suicide".

Pain
I have just recently, within 3 months, recovered from a MRSA infection that got into my spinal column. I thought I knew pain. When I was 18 I shattered my left pelvis. I've had a concussion, broken ribs, broken foot, and a broken neck. When I got this infection, pain really revealed itself to me. At the same time, God revealed himself to me. My screams suddenly became songs of praise. Lord Jesus personally carried me from moment to moment until the infection was gone! When you suffer significant pain and look to the creator, you find Him and life is worth living.

consider.......
Mr Conner correctly said, "Consider the elderly for a moment: A significant proportion of elderly residents in nursing homes are afflicted with age-related disabilities and dementia. They often don't know who they are, or where they are. Frequently, they don't recognize their children and, in child-like fashion, they may require assistance with even the most basic activities of daily living." Now, consider young children. These exact attributes apply to them, as well. Not knowing who or where you are, being unable to clean your own backside, or to feed yourself. When will the "right to die" advocates come for your children?

Hey aren't forgetting something?
So many "conservatives" claim to want to return to the Constitution. Does anyone remember the Tenth Amendment which says: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. In other words, the Feral Government has NO AUTHORITY to even address this issue. It is an individual rights/states rights issue. Why are we even discussing ramifications of federal action when such action is illegal, and unjust?

odd column
Reading through this I kept looking for an acknowledge that there is a value in personal liberty, that is in people making important decisions for themselves. It could be possible to outweigh this concern in this particular case, but reading the column it seemed likely that Connor just does not see liberty as a value at all.

Reply to Lilly
You said it well. But it is more than about pain. I know my loved ones would have seen gone that route before the diapers and the nursing homes and the drool and the memory loss stripped them of everything they once were and much of the estate they worked so hard to give their descendants.

The problem is simple. By the time you get to that state, you are incompetent to make the decision. Could a baby decide.

Most rational adults are terrified to attempt suicide----------------because they know it often fails. Yet, given a choice between death and the nursing home--------------everyone I know would choose death.

The doctor is allowed to give them information to get to the "nursing home" (with all that entails) but not allowed to give them information to prevent it. What's wrong with this picture?


Politicians
I've always been taught that Liberal means "more government" and conservative means "less government"

But today's reality says Liberals want more government when it involves your money and Conservatives want more government as involves your body.

Is anybody else confused about this?


Lucky Dog
My son and daughter-in-law came to realize that their beloved dog could not recover and was suffering. The elderly dog could no longer eat, drink, stand up, or eliminate, and was in constant pain. For weeks they had taken turns getting up with her during the night but she was now beyond relief. Finally they called the vet, who made a house call. They all sat on the kitchen floor and my children, weeping, held their dog while the vet gave the injection. And when I heard this story all I could think of was that when the day comes that their mother can no longer eat, drink, stand up, or eliminate and is in constant pain, no such mercy will be available as was shown to the dog.

Issues Other Than Pain
Sometimes we read in the paper that an elderly couple has chosen to take both lives together. Usually one has a chronic disease like Alzheimer's or some other progressive neurological illness and the other one has become too ill (perhaps with cancer) to take care of the spouse. In this case the issue isn't pain management but not wanting to leave the loved one without a caregiver. All couples don't have family to rely on.

Another situation is when the patient knows that death is inevitable and chooses not to consume his or her estate by prolonging an expensive illness.

I think that maybe unless we are old, terminally ill, in constant pain, unable to eat, wracked with nausea, bleeding from every orifice, alone, or without resources, or some combination thereof, we should not be judging those who are.

Randee said it best
Everyone should have the right and the means to end their own lives when they feel it's time. If a person's physical and mental state has deteriorated to the point that there's nothing left of the admirable person he once was, then he should be allowed to call it quits if he wants to.

The problems are two-fold. Two teenagers in my community on separate occasions recently killed themselves by standing on the tracks in front of a commuter train. A third was narrowly disuaded from copying the other two. So, the question is: how qualified is a person to make this choice for themselves? The young clearly are not.

The other problem is: who's choice is it really? How certain can we be that when a person chooses to die it is her choice alone and not influenced by others.

The difficulty of resolving these two issues will keep assisted suicide 'in the closet', quite possibly forever, by which I mean that suicides occur every day and will continue to do so under the cover of 'death by natural causes.'

Much of the push for "assisted suicide"
is a result of ineffective "pain management". It is a fact that MOST doctors are reluctant to administer narcotics in sufficient strength to alleviate pain for fear of being branded a "drug dealer" by those criminals at the dea (drug enforcement administration) and other government agencies.
It is a FACT that a person in intractable pain can withstand doses of narcotics that would kill an average person and STILL live a relatively normal pain-free life.
The dea has been successful in interfering with the doctor-patient relationship by criminalizing effective pain control.
Effective pain management is well known but skewed by political and "law enforcement" types who worry about "diversion" and "addiction". When a person is in intractable pain, addiction should be the least of his worries.
There are doctors who have been incarcerated for prescribing effective pain medications to their patients; patients have commited suicide when their painkillers were denied them.
I would like to see the dea (and any other federal or state agency) sued for "practicing medicine without a license" and violating the HIPAA medical care privacy statutes.
Any lawyers out ther willing to take these government b*st*rds on??

Oregon Lady
You wrote, "I've been a nurse for almost 30 years and the best kept secret in medicine is that assisted suicide has been around ever since narcotics were available. The truth is that anti-assisted suicide proponents lie. Some pain cannot be controlled. The only choice is to allow a dying person to die while screaming in agony or use the amount of medication needed to relieve their pain...which usually also kills them. The term nurses use is "snowing them out".

OK, we'll accept your premise that asissted suicide is permissible, even desireable in some cases. Still, this opens a Pandora's Box. Who decides when the end of life has come? What if the patient is unresponsive, and has left no written directive, living will or power of attorney? Given that the government will almost certainly be involved in paying some of the cost of the care being received, does the government have a legitimate role in determining when life-ending narcotics or other agents should be used?

There are no easy answers for this problem.

My fear is simply this: I do not want the government, "Big Brother," invloved in decisions affecting my life - how I live it or choose to end it - that is only for me or my loved ones to decide. The moment we let government into this decision, we virtualy guarantee problems later on, i.e. The Sciavo case for one example.

Euthanasia . . .
and "assisted suicide" will become the "law of the land" when "der fuehrer" (oops I mean obama) pushes through his "healthcare reform". You will see people aged 60 and older being denied procedures that would extend productive life.
The "slippery slope" of abortion has put us on a much faster pace of legalizing murder by denying "medical care".
Today, those who choose suicide can do so for themselves; family members can "help"; just don't involve the "government". If you mind your own business, there should not be a problem.

keep government out of suicide
How can allowing assisted suicide endanger anyone other than persons who chooses to end their own life?

If Connor believes that assisted suicide endangers us all and should be prohibited, perhaps Connor also believes that allowing someone to burn a pile their own money with a second party’s assistance will lead us to allow second parties to burn other people’s money without their consent?

It makes no sense to me to make suicide illegal because: (1) Suicide is an issue of personal behavior in which society and/or government has insufficient justification to interfere; (2) It is logically impossible to impose meaningful sanctions on anyone for taking their own life short of abusing their dead body.

It makes no sense to me to make attempted suicide illegal because: (1) I believe that an attempt at a legal action should be legal; and (2) because any punishment is more likely to encourage than deter repeat offenses.

It makes no sense to me to make assisted suicide illegal because I believe that helping someone do a legal act should be legal.

While I find suicide repugnant, I believe my moral instincts are an insufficient basis for government prohibition. I might agree to some government regulation, particularly a demonstration of mental competence to make such a decision by persons seeking to take their own life with assistance, and perhaps insuring that suicide methods are neither cruel nor inhumane.

I believe prohibition of assisted suicide is an overzealous effort by government to limit personal behavior of little net effect on society.

Ken Connor
You don't really make a good case for any more
danger in an assisted suicide (except for the
ticket to hell), and there is in being married
to a jerk or living with a possessive person or
whatever. There are people who have no
problem taking the life of someone who wishes to
continue to live. And yet somehow, the vast
majority of us manage to stay afloat. And
there will be those who will take the opportunity to do someone in. I just heard
about the case of the phlebotomist father who
injected his baby son with the AIDS virus
because he didn't want to pay child support.

There are jerks out there, no doubt about it.

As a Conservative
I want to get the Government off my back- especially when it tries to tell me how and when I can die.

Doing it yourself
Some people are too disabled to be able to do it themselves.

Also some people want a professional to do it, so they can be sure that they'll die painlessly, and not mess up and just make things way worse for themselves. Not to mention it's just way less messy, which is a lot easier on the people you leave behind.

For one they don't have to clean up after you blow your brains all over your bedroom wall.

Your "Do it yourself" idea only really works for healthy people, which isn't the topic of discussion.

There should be NO discussion
by those in gubmint (local, state, or fed) about the right to die.

My mother-in-law died, at home according to her wishes,a horrible death from cancer. In her final weeks, the doc who misdiagnosed her, wanted her in the hospital for pain meds and fluid therapy. Thank God her local country doc gave us the pain meds she needed; if she wasn't "snowed" she was screaming in agony. How could anyone possibly presume to speak for her and insure her wishes were honored other than those who loved her? The doc said I need not worry about giving too much morphine... Neither my husband nor I could actively end her life that way and I suspect most people couldn't as well.

These discussions about life and death are mostly to address the potential threat that the lowest common denominator of society poses to others. In trying to control those evil people, through ridiculous and unconstitutional meddling, you will remove the right of those who deeply love their families to care for them in their most heartfelt and loving ways. Is seeing your loved one suffer worth the price of even one scoundrel who wants their family member dead for financial gain? NO! I would not sacrifice my right and my holy duty to my loved one for the sake of a stranger. If it sounds callous then so be it. And please, stop the "life is precious" collective thinking in a world where people reproduce like bunnies. It is God who sees our life as precious; humans couldn't possibly grasp His love for us let alone others.

No court or doctor will make final decisions for me; there is no advance directive. My husband and sons know how I feel about life and death and what my wishes would be in any situation. I have no doubt that they will help me as they see I would wish to be helped.

Man - up
This whole debate is silly. If you want to kill yourself then just do it! If you're too much of a wussy to do it yourself then shut up. You don't need any help or government permission.

Personal issue
I currently have a degenerating disease that causes my muscles to break down, and my kidneys, heart and lungs to slowly break down and fail.

There's no cure, no treatment, and basically things are just going to keep getting more painful and more horrible for the next couple years until I finally die.

Right now I can still do everything and enjoy myself, however I know that before I die, this is going to get to a point where I can't anymore, and life becomes sitting in a bed waiting to eventually die. I personally can't imagine anything more horrible then that. Just sitting and waiting, watching the hours pass in horrible amounts of pain and unable to do anything. Just waiting, waiting, waiting for death.

I really don't think anyone should have the right to tell me how I have to spend the last bits of my life. If I want to get a doctor to make sure that things can be done right, painlessly, and without a huge mess for my family to clean up, I should have the right too. The government should not have power over life and death.

tuffone
@tuffone: Chapter? Verse?? Anyone? Beuller?
Your attitude, sir is why most modern people reject Christianity outright. Since you won't give me chapter and verse citing where in Scripture God allows killing, I'll tell you where he FORBIDS it: Luke 3:14. John 15:12. Matthew 5:39 and dozens more. Historical fact number one: the early Christian church, before Constantine, was a pacifist and anarchist organization that forbade participation in government and participation in wars, especially as soldiers. Fact two: It is the later Christian attitude, that we are to obey governments, even to the point of organized murder called war that has led to some of the worst bloodsoaked conflicts in history, culminating in the Christian Church's refusal to stop World War One. It was the brutality of that Great War that so psychologically shocked Europe that all pretense of Christianity was given up. Those on the outside of Christianity will not listen to you because of your hypocrisy. You prate about saving a zygote, or extending the suffering of a doomed cancer patient, but say NOTHING when a so-called Christian blows Hell out of an entire country for no good reason at all.

How short-sighted
If Obama, Kennedy, Dodd, et al. have their way, assisted suicide will not be an option, but life-elongation via medical intervention will at some point be prohibited, as a result of a purely economic decision by a bureaucrat in Wash., D.C. We'll have the equivalent of the proverbial elephant graveyards, to which the elderly and the infirm will have to make their way to die where the younger, the healthier, and the richer will not have to watch. When we get to that point, assisted suicide might look a lot more attractive.

Who is to make the call?

Should a relative who stands to inherit make the call?
Should a hospital or government that is loosing money every day you live make the call?

I can and do trust my relatives but I have administered a few wills and seen people I certainly would not trust with my life if they had a personal interest in my death.

They have assisted suicide in Japan and I have often wondered how often suicide was the assister's idea and comes as a big surprise to the guy who commits suicide.

Paul
The New Testament is a reiteration of the Torah. Jesus said " I have not come to do away with the law, but to fulfill it." God does not change His mind. Enemies are still enemies and the law is still in tact. Just because mere humans cannot explain everything that is in scripture does not justify bastardization. You obviously know some scripture and your acknowledgment of the Amalekites means you are not guiltless in your disobedience. When self is on the throne there is no room for the King of kings. Do yourself a favor and abdicate your foolish rule.

Meanwhile, back in senior history class.
Just as a by-the-way aside: Many of you posters have brought up Hitler and the Nazi regime. Allow me to point out some interesting historical facts. First, while the Nazis did murder "useless eaters" on the other side of the coin, for German citizens, abortion was banned. Second, the Nazis also closed all the cabarets and banned pornography. Third, they arrested all the homosexuals they could get their hands on. This policy was based on ensuring a strong and vibrant German race. And, incidentally, was wholeheartedly endorsed by German churches, explaining some of the popularity of Hitler among German Christians. Just thought I'd throw that out there into the comment stream.

tuffone3
@tuffone3: You say Sometimes it is necessary to obliterate the enemy and that is a scriptural fact. Really? What scripture? What Bible? Please. Cite me chapter and verse where God tells us to "obliterate our enemy". Oh, and just in case you chose to cite verses having to do with "smiting the Amalekites" please recall that the USA is not ancient Biblical Israel. Also, please be sure that your references come from the New Testament, since, according to Christians we are under a new dispensation. I EAGERLY await your response.

A Hidden Agenda
When someone is about to die, the cost of taking care of that person increases substantially. And who is paying for that? Is it the person who is about to die, or is it some third party, like the government? Well, since for the most part those that are about to die are older Americans, they most likely have their medical cost paid for by the government. So, the government has a vested interest in saving money, by allowing them to die sooner rather than later. If that person who is about to die, is paying for the full cost of that care, would the government be at all concerned about how long that person lives?

John in Pa
Religious "nutters" founded this country and based our rule of law on scriptures, you protected fool.

Tuffphone

Your response is a perfect example of why we have to keep religious nutters from taking over the government.

Your scripture is irrelevant to the issues at hand. They might be relevant to you, but they are not relevant to the way such issues should be handled in a legal and legislative sense.

John in Pa
Scripture has everything to do with everything. Sometimes it is necessary to obliterate the enemy and that is a scriptural fact.
Paul
It's tempting to use sarcasm in print, I'll try not to, but it's really better left to oral communications. Sorry if I misinterpreted.


Jowl
You think that wanting to kill ONLY adult male muslims somehow justifies your insane position? That's even crazier than I thought.

You also neglect to mention that you DO advocate killing the women and children of Islam if they do not permanently abandon Islam.

Your contention that it's only wrong to take "innocent" life doesn't change the insanity of your position. For one thing, it isn't up to YOU to decide who is innocent and who is not. To suggest that millions of people be killed based on your decision as to who is innocent and who is not reveals a pathology shared by some of the most notable tyrants in history.

I said it before and I will say it again. When conservatives allow lunatics like yourself to ramble around, unchallenged, inside the party, the very idea that you care about the sanctity of life is absurd.






Useless Eaters
The first victims of a totalitarian gov are the useless eaters. The old, unborn, handicapped, and mentaly ill. These people are a drain on the "free" healthcare system. There is no place in Obama's new Amerika for useless eaters.

tuffphone
A) I said nothign of the sort and
B) Paul was in sarcasm mode
C) You scripture has nothing to do with this.

John in PA and Paul in AZ
ALL KILLING IS MURDER!!! SCREEEEEECH! No, you ignorant of scriptures and loathe to think rationally, it is not. When the "brown people in a place we can't spell" come to kill you, be sure to tell them that's not a nice thing to do. You could offer to convert to save your hide, but I don't think they want you at all.
Joel
Thanks for clarifying.

Paul - Your a racist
Paul - don't be spreading your racist junk here.

Government interference/regulation
...is the issue as I see it. Under the current legal climate in our country I would imagine very few medical professionals would be willing to risk the potential lawsuits and loss of licensure that would make it a viable choice for an individual to decide to take means into their own hands.

BUT...the solution isn't for more government intrusion in my life and it's long arm coming between me and my doctor. It is LESS intrusion that is needed.

I have a family member sitting in a VERY GOOD facility, being well cared for, being visited regularly by her son and family who would be gone in a heartbeat if she were to be given the opportunity. While I would never suggest that she shorten her time on this earth who am I to say that she should not make that decision. But she is not able to make that choice because her doctor is not able to accede to her wishes.

life IS sacred
Life is precious, and you aren't allowed to end your own life because we say so. Now that we have successfully proven that life is sacred and precious, let's go out and kill some brown people in a place we can't spell.

It has been happening for many years
Doctors have been helping patients end their own lives for many years.... if not centuries. The topic at hand is if the state is going to recognize this as a sanctioned event.

My mother fought cancer for a year, but the cancer continued to gain ground. When it was obvious that there was no hope for improvement, and my mother's existence was pitiful, she told her doctor that she had enough and was quitting. The doctor gave her some powerful pain killers and said if she took 10 of them at once, she would go to sleep and never awake again.

After the fight is lost, it is nothing more than cruelty to force someone to take nature’s path to the end.

Jowl The Oppressor
Let's cut through some fog so we can see the landscape more clearly. Jowl the oppressor is the poster boy for the absolute dishonesty and moral relativity of the right wing.

In this thread he writes he "would prefer that everyone live until God calls him home." Except that in numerous other threads he has advocated the murder of every single muslim male in America and, if they refuse to convert, every single muslim child in America.

That's the landsacpe against which one can view the right wing's so called dedication to life. Likewise, the right wing claims it wants wants to keep the government out of people's lives, except that they want to intrude on deeply personal family and medical decisions on daily basis.

The "moral high ground" you stand on is nothing but a pile of BS.




Obama Care, here we come!
And if you don't think this is exactly what will happen under Obamacare, you're kidding yourself. The economy and taxpayers of the U.S. can not afford the upcoming medicare, medicaid, and social security costs - and Obama wants to raise them even more with fully socialized medicine. Followed by rationing - which will end the lives of those deemed not worth saving.

Jim
No, Liberals want to make us live in a society where life is considered expendable. Conservatives don't.

Joel
My grandfather chose your method. He may as well have spit in my face. I have not heard my father laugh since that day.
Conner
You say a persons final time on this earth is a time for reflection and absolution. A time to share love and forgiveness. That day is every day. I have a friend whose mother was in such agony she begged her daughter to kill her. My brother was "snowed". He and his wife and the doctor agreed to it. He had rampant cancer and the pain was too much. Until then I was entirely against assisted suicide. Many people kill themselves inch by inch by bad choices of excess in food, substance abuse, sexual promiscuity.
My grandmother had a living will. She would not take food or drink. It too eleven days for her to die. It was her choice.
I do agree that there are enough laws currently to resolve most life and death issues. Government oversight and regulation of assisted suicide is evil in its foundations and should be avoided at all cost. As usual power and money are at the heart of this issue and if Washington gets involved it will not go well for the masses.

a higher authority
When abortion was first legalized, it required statements from three doctors stating that continuing the pregnancy would pose a grave threat to the mental or physical health of the mother. Its proponents ridiculed the concerns of those who decried it as the first step on a slippery slope toward abortion on demand--concerns that turned out to be justified.

Once one accepts that human life can be qualified, whether according to its convenience, its value to society or whatever, then all manner of its obliteration becomes acceptable. It takes recognition of a moral authority higher than human reason to reject this premise, and secular humanism recognizes no such entity.

For several years, I volunteered full-time at a local hospice where narcotics were administered routinely and successfully to ease the suffering of the dying. Medical ethicists have long since agreed that this does NOT consitute assisted suicide, as Oregon Lady suggests. It’s a matter of intent: the purpose is to kill the pain, not the patient. If death ensues sooner than it might otherwise (and it frequently doesn’t), this is considered a secondary effect.

Ann
"Should those that don't believe in God kowtow to the beliefs of those that do?"

Yes, as a matter of fact. Not for my benefit, mind, but yours.

Let me put it this way, if you're right, and there is no God, and there is (therefore) no afterlife, I lose nothing. I'm not going to change how I behave just because I will go to the same place as Karl Marx when I die. When I die I won't care where I am.

If I am right, however, you (atheists, non-believers, whatever) stand to lose everything. If you don't "kowtow" to Christian beliefs (we call it repentence) you WILL end up in hell. Period. Believers (at least, those who follow what they purport to believe) will probably end up in heaven, presuming they repent for whatever sins they commit along the way. Whether or not you do has no bearing on me. I get no real benefit from someone converting just because I say they should (repeat "SHOULD.")

And I will close with a question: WHY should those who DO believe in God kowtow to those who don't? (Which is what happens in a society that silently tolerates the systematic execution of the weak and defenseless.)

My Blog
I posted something about legalized homicide by physician in my blog last year. In the short version, a paralyzed, but otherwise physically healthy, rugby player in England got his parents to fly him to Switzerland for "assisted Suicide." He wasn't terminal, he wasn't even ill, he had simply suffered a severe spinal injury. He couldn't walk. He still had his arms and his mind. The idea that it was a good thing that he got himself killed is ridiculous.

Soylent Green
All liberals should see that movie--and imagine themselves in the shoes of those who became soylent green.

worthless
Libs want to tell my wife and i what to drive.Conserv.want to tell us what to do with our body.not much difference.

Soylent green
For years I've been saying that the Left will, at some point, manage to turn the baby boomers into just that-soylent green.

There's little I like about Oregon...
The leftist policies and political correctness stifles creativity and enslaves the population. But the one thing we got right is the Death with Dignity Act.

I've been a nurse for almost 30 years and the best kept secret in medicine is that assisted suicide has been around ever since narcotics were available. The truth is that anti-assisted suicide proponents lie. Some pain cannot be controlled. The only choice is to allow a dying person to die while screaming in agony or use the amount of medication needed to relieve their pain...which usually also kills them. The term nurses use is "snowing them out".

I watched my sister die in unbelievable pain because her doctor didn't believe in "snowing". I never want that to happen to me. The other argument? I also have a mother with Alzheimer's living in a nursing home. She's nonverbal, wears diapers and needs assistance with every activity. But she's not in unrelenting pain and assisted suicide is not even on the radar- even though, since I have Power of Attorney, I'm one of the evil people Mr. Connor thinks is conniving to make my life easier by killing my mother. Truly an insulting and mean attitude.

Reluctant though I am
To jump into a discussion in which I have zero expertise and no personal stake at the moment, I find that I want people to read one novel and one short story. Literature is my field, and literature is just about all I have to offer.

The novel is Huxley's Brave New World and the short story is Tolstoy's "The Death of Ivan Ilych."

And that is all I have to say on this matter, unless someone causes me to have a new thought.

Mary and Randee...
Mary, you wrote, "What a worthless column, one composed strawman argument after another..."

Strawman arguments? Such as? All you've done is name-call, and accuse Mr. Connor of employing false bases of argumentation. Since you provide nothing to substantial your claims, they really aren't worth much, are they? Please substantiate your arguments, and let them be judged in the public square.

Randee, you are obviously upset with the article, which is your right. However, you may be misunderstanding Mr. Connor's thesis. IMO, he is not arguing against control of one's own body, he is concerned about the slippery slope between assisted suicide and mandated suicide.
Healthcare professionals (I am one) are taught above all of the sanctity of life. Making those who would save life into those who would end it, is extremely problematical ethically.
The Nazi state gave us doctors and nurses working in the SS, who were thereby engaged in what the National Socialists called euthenasia, but what was really murder - the killing of the mentally ill, the mentally retarded, those with disabilities, and other so-called undesireables.

Are we yet at this horrible place? No, but by embracing the notion that some lives are not worth living or saving, we edge ever-closer.

No one denies you the right to take your own life; most states have living wills, power of attorney, and other tools that give you control over where and when your life ends. Connor instead argues against making life-savers into life takers - which is what euthenasia does.

What will Obama do.

I don't know if Obama supports "Doctor" assisted suicides.

I bet he will support "Lawyer" assisted suicides.

what a worthless column
One composed strawman argument after another...

Assisted Suicide
The article is WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG!

Morally, no government has the RIGHT to decide what we do with OUR BODIES!

When you watch loved ones living on and on (physical pain CAN be eliminated, but the mental/emotional anguish deterioration that accompanies it cannot.

Would you want to live for 5 years in diapers, waiting to be fed like a child albiet in no physical pain?

Allow us the DIGNITY (and that is the word) to choose to die before that happens!
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