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Wednesday, November 19, 2008
Ken Blackwell :: Townhall.com Columnist
21st Century Welfare Queens
by Ken Blackwell
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This week Congress meets to consider giving away another $25 billion of taxpayers’ money to dysfunctional corporations. With a renewed sense of urgency, others are forming a line at the Capitol seeking to take money out of the wallets of America’s working families to further support dysfunctional ways. This line now includes cities and even a state, all of which are far more politically significant than handout-seeking corporations. All of this is building a culture of dependency that is rapidly expanding the scope of the federal government, ruining competitive markets, and creating a massive debt that will burden our children and even our grandchildren. This must end now.

The Big 3 automakers—General Motors, Ford and Chrysler—are asking Congress to give them $25 billion of taxpayer money. These companies recently had $25 billion earmarked to them by the federal government to pay for retooling and redesigning to make more advanced and more marketable products such as hybrid vehicles. Yet now they want more, making them 21st-century welfare queens.

The Big 3’s woes are largely self-created. For years now their management has been criticized as ineffective. But two numbers tell the story of the primary cause of their insolvency: 73 and 48. The average hourly cost of an hourly wage worker for the Big 3 cost $73 per hour, while the average cost at Toyota and other foreign automakers with production facilities here on American soil is $48 per hour.

What accounts for this disparity? It’s the massive healthcare and pension costs and other benefits that the workers at the Big 3 get through their union-negotiated contracts. These contracts, primarily secured through the United Auto Workers, have created massive obligations. Consequently, the Big 3 either offer a product that is equal in quality and features to their foreign counterparts, but several thousand dollars more expensive per car, or they offer a product for the same price but with fewer features.

There’s no way to escape the plain truth. The costs unions have written into their contracts with the Big 3 must be passed along to consumers. As this either increases prices or decreases value, the Big 3 lose sales to foreign competitors, and so revenues for the Big 3 have dropped. As revenues drop it becomes even more difficult to pay these union-created obligations, so the situation worsens.

Congress must refuse this bailout. Without a bailout, they will be forced into Chapter 11 reorganization. The Big 3 would be given the freedom to renegotiate their labor contracts and their contracts with dealers, giving them the opportunity to put together a business plan that can make them competitive and profitable. It would not destroy the auto companies or put their workers on the streets; it would simply force them to fix their mess.

Transferring tax dollars to them will only worsen the situation. They will burn through that money in a matter of months, and we’ll face this maddening situation again in 2009. Unless American taxpayers are willing to subsidize the Big 3 forever, this cannot continue.

Do you want the same people who ran the Hurricane Katrina response to run the companies from which you buy your cars? The Mad Hatter from Alice in Wonderland sat at a long, white dining table and made an absolute mess of the place where he was sitting. Then, instead of cleaning it up, he just moved to the next seat at the table and made a mess there as well. That’s how the federal government works. Having made a mess of the housing and financial sectors, it’s now willing to move to the automotive sector, and who knows what else.

And the corporate welfare won’t stop with the Big 3. The rationale for bailing them out is that they are important to the U.S. economy. Well, many companies can make that claim; there are many industries essential to the American economy. Are we going to bail them all out?

Not only that, but there are players bigger than the Big 3 now lining up for a handout. The big cities of Philadelphia, Detroit and Phoenix are requesting billions of dollars each, and others will follow. And the state of California is now tens of billions of dollars in the hole. Having taxed everyone in the state to the hilt, the Golden State is now looking for federal tax dollars to fill their coffers. Others will follow.

As a former mayor of Cincinnati, and the former Treasurer of Ohio, let me assure you that cities and states can wield far more power than any corporation or union. The mayors and governors who run them have enormous influence, and presidents standing for reelection and members of Congress seek the favor of such individuals. Each of the three cities named above are in swing states, and California is a massive source of campaign cash for both parties.

I was always taught when growing up that when you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior. From the mortgage meltdown to the automaker debacle to cities and states going under, it’s all bad behavior. It should not be rewarded.

The problem here is that our culture of debt—both personal and corporate—has created a culture of dependency. Everyone is calling out to our central government to give them money. And horrors of horrors, many are willing to let the federal government take ownership stakes in these entities and have a hand in their management.

That is the road to socialism.

The first step to ending the culture of dependency is to tell these corporations, cities and states they need to start taking responsibility for their actions by dealing with the consequences they have created for themselves.

If not, then we could accumulate a national debt that even our grandchildren will never pay off.

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America is suffering
America is suffering unlawful deception from the Alinsky group.
Group u$urp$ power on January 20th—the constitution violated.
The United States Supreme Court alone can relieve this outrage.

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Good for Ken and let's support him
PS Seawolf, Highlander Juan and others:

THANK you.
Let's keep this up at Town Hall and elsewhere. It's going to be a LONG haul and we need to keep encouraging the right people, and later on, to plan and act together.

Warrior Princess/Ava in NYC

Welfare State coming-TOMORROW!!!!
Mr. Blackwell:

I really think you are on to something here.

Grip it and don't let go, please. And also, give TALKS.

You have a knack for throwing cold water over people and waking them up with your clear punches.

I think you should run for RNC . I was going to support Michael Steele but you seem to be more willing to risk speaking unpleasant truths.

OF COURSE none of these stupid bailouts should take place, and I am only a citizen, teacher and artist and I can figure out why.

SO WHY IS OBAMA DOING THIS ?
The answer is, to undermine the system we have. To create dependency which will lead to SOCIALISM as you rightly have said.
Hand in hand with this bailout comes the end of the SECRET Union Ballot. AND the silencing of Talk Radio. What does this add up to ?
Must join Union, must cooperate with Govt policies, will be financially weak and not independent, will be owned by Third World investors and will try to give MORE money to help Third World "poverty", will empower the UN and Islamic policy makers there, HELLO !!!!!
ONE WORLD !!! The END of AMerica as a POWER! CHristians in Dimmitude !! Whites suffering mass psychological depression !! Special interest priviliges written into Constitution as "Fairness"!! Legislation from the bench in the name of Justice !! Illegal immigrants favored over American CItizens !!! In other words, LEGAL, MORAL, and NATIONAL identity------CHANGED !!! This guy was for real when he said CHANGE......
If you believe in racial harmony, individual freedom, respect for our Constitution and Founding Fathers, Respect for Law, and Meritocracy, you will run for RNC, or any other visible post, and speak out on behalf of decency, family, and democracy.
You can count on a lot of help.

Not a single Republican
should support this bailout.

The eternal question.
Do bums create unions or do unions create bums?

Hell No!!
When these greedy SOB's come to the meeting in their private jets it is like thumbing their noses at all of us. At least they could have riden togeather.

A Union history lesson
My father worked for a steel mill back in Pa. He was a big union man. He loved to talk about the big strike they had back in 1958. He said it was a long hard struggle but in the end the union brought the company to its knees and got all of their demands. Some of those were a major yearly increase in pay, paid medical and dental, paid pension and 15 weeks of vacation for every 5 years of service. Does this sound like a place you might want to work? Don’t bother. They don’t exist anymore. The union demands increased the price of steel, the company could not compete with foreign prices and it collapsed. My father was lucky. He retired 3 years before and his pension was secure, but thousands of other workers lost everything and most of the businesses in the city also went under. The moral to this story is that history does not repeat itself. We just keep making the same stupid mistakes.

I seem to remember
back in the late 70's Lee Iacoca went to the feds for a loan to help Chrysler survive. Mr. Iacoca worked for the whopping salary of $1 per year and some stock options (Chrysler stock at that time was lower than it is now). He then implemented the building of the Dodge Omni, Plymouth Horizon and after that series the K-Car series of cars that made Chrysler profitable again. Chrysler was also able to pay back all the money they borrowed and the U.S. Government actually made money off the deal. Now we have the execs of these three auto companies standing with hands out but when asked what they're going to do to restructure and rebuild so their losses are curbed, they say they've already done all they're going to do and Mr. Gettelfinger says the UAW isn't going to make any concessions either. Think Gettelfinger, Nardelli and the rest would EVER work for a $1 per year? These guys can't even give up the private corporate jets, let alone any pay. I've lived and worked in Detroit my whole life and have several relatives who are now auto company retirees (thanks to buy-out packages) and I say let them declare bankruptcy. None of these men want to make any type of sacrifice to keep these companies in business so why the he!! should we?

Demand Obama PROVE US born citizenship
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So right Ken
The only connection between the big three and the late great state of California is their workforces are highly unionized and both want a federal bailout to keep the gravy train going for these freebooters.

Most union members in this country are either in heavy industry or are in government.

Here in CA the RINO governor, Schwarzenegger, has purposed a 20%+ increase in the sales tax to finance the runaway salaries of our state empolyees. This will have sales tax at about $.10 per sales dollar. The Dems are in complete control and have succeeded in turning this state into the The Socialist Republic of Mexico El Norte!




Alan Keyes injury case against Obama
Alan Keyes has filed in Ca Supreme Court proving injury as a Presidential Candidate from Obama failing to prove he is a natural born citizen of US...is Petitioning a Stay of California's electoral votes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9qQv9UXc


they have already been bailed out
the import restriction policy started in the 80's, bailed out the automobile companies so well they they granted the unions a huge round of raises, while doling out millions in "bonuses" to executives whose only contribution was to raise prices of their still shoddy product. we are fools if we bail them out again. they richly deserve their demise. let them enjoy the backruptcy they have caused.

Looking thru the looking glass - Pt. I
Obama, this sure sounds like it will both help the economy and the global environment! NOT.

GM, individually, is hemorrhaging $66 million dollars a day; loses between $500 and $1,000 on each and every car it sells; owes $48 Billion Dollars to creditors, who could force it into involuntary bankruptcy at anytime; beyond the imagination (around $90 Billion or more) in payment, retirement, health care, and other goodies to current and past employees; and, has no plan to immediately restructure the company, outside of bankruptcy, and wants a portion of, at least, $25 billion in a bailout (which is a next to big, fat zero on their balance sheet).

Obama spoke in the last two days that the global environment is in, basically, critical condition, and that no time is a good time to implement environmental programs; yet, he plans to do exactly that. He wants to place expansive cap-and-trade policies in America and force companies like GM to build more fuel efficient and lighter cars in the very near future.

Additionally, the Obama Administration and the Kyoto Treaty nations want to sign a more severe agreement in 2010. Today, Canada, a signatory and one of the best countries at attempting to meet the requirements, is further behind meeting the goals than when it signed, according to Canadian environmentalists. Yet, the US and the Kyoto nations are going to sign another document while excluding the two most explosive markets in the world, China and India.

Looking thru the looking glass - Pt. II
The consumer-price-index released this morning showed that the consumer price index fell the most in 60 years in the last month and people cheered! Are they insane? This is a huge step on the critically painful route of devaluation. House mortgages are bad now, but what will they be if devaluation takes root? Possibly, one-fourth of what they are today. Will people want to buy a car today for $20,000 when it might be worth $10,000 in the future? No.

Right now, is not the time for experimental surgery or another retarded governmental “band-aid.” First, everyone needs to calm down for a few days. Then, let the car companies go into voluntary bankruptcy where they can renegotiate their contracts without the union breathing down their necks. The shareholders and option holders will get slammed and their value will become $0, but they have already lost so much anyway that there seems that nothing can be done to get it back. So, into Chap. 11, a federal judge will rework the contracts with dealers, unions and suppliers, fire management, and hire someone like Romney, who knows the business and saw his father do the same thing and studied his father’s model in Bus. School and used it through out his career to turn around companies. Also, Obama needs to step back on cap-and-trade and another more difficult Kyoto.

This is the wrong time in our market to even talk about experimentation and instituting new requirements on an economy in dire straits and an industry on life support. If Obama does any of this and Congress gives the automotive industry a bailout, I am with Mitt Romney that we “can kiss” American car companies “good-bye”. And, “back to the future” policies of the 1970’s or 1930’s for everyone else.

AUDIT ALL WELFARE RECEPIENTS
AUDIT ALL WELFARE RECEPIENTS THAT INCLUDE THE ONES IN COLLEGE ALSO. AUDIT THE INCOME THAT THEY RECEIVE IN THE NAME OF DUE PROCESS, JUSTICE AND EQUALITY.

Big Dawg
Not to be a stalker, but where in as they say the ATL did you live and where do you live now?

I never have lived inside the city. Dekalb for a few years (The cutest little communist in Congress represented me, Cynthia McKinney). On Memorial Drive, deep in the hood. Then moved to Gangnett (when it was actually nice). My neighborhood got overrun by Section 8s and illegals so moved out into the hinterlands of NW Georgia. Life is nice out here. Quiet, safe, good schools and the gun shots you hear are shotguns during dove hunts, not drive bys.


Big Dawg
Some (namely one lawyer) wants Buckhead to become its own city. It was annexed in 1952 (I think that is the right date)into the city, Atlanta gets much of its revenue from Buckhead. They'd squeel like stuck pigs if Buckhead tried to leave. They'd claim racism too.

Sam Massell (the last white mayor of Atlanta) and head of the Buckhead Coalition is against this. He says Buckhead shouldn't even try as it will anger the black folks outside Buckhead in the city. He is often called the mayor of Buckhead but when people say this he corrects them saying Buckhead is part of Atlanta and Shirley Franklin is mayor. I don't see any hope for Buckhead escaping like Sandy Springs did from Fulton or Dunwoody from Dekalb. All I can say is glad I don't live there. I like to call Atlanta the PRA, People's Republic of Atlanta. Something seriously wrong when you need government permission to cut down your own trees on your own property. But on the bright spot, if you did live inside the city, you can point out that Clayton (or as they like to call it ClayCo)is far worse.

And speaking of dawgs, what is up with your defense? You needed a good amount of luck to beat the cats and now Auburn, better watch yourself. I think Tech is better than either of these two.

chaka zulu
Hard won rights, eh?

Okay. Let's see GM workers make 25% more than Toyota workers. Toyota workers non-Union. GM is Union. Toyota is the biggest and most successful car company on the planet and GM needs welfare (or so it claims) just to make it to next month. Do you see a connection?

I do.

Rose
Toyota and Nissan and Honda (but no truck) make large gas-guzzlers too--the Tundra? the Titan?

The squeeze isn't by the environmentals--over priced vehicles, questionable quality, out of control costs and unable to fend off better run companies like Toyota. The environmentals have nothing to do with this--GM and the others did this to themselves.


Carterite (aka Reaganite)
"Those will lose their jobs in Chapter 11. Who is going to buy a car or truck from a company in bankruptcy?"

I don't know, ask the thousands of those Kia buyers who bought Kias in 1997. Ask those that are snapping up homes from bankrupt builders.

Some will lose their jobs in chaper 11, but not all of them. For those that do, well, that is life isn't it. Isn't that how the market should work? The market punishes those that make poor decisions. But I guess you'd rather have this strange perverted version of crony capitalism, American style.


Environmental Agendas
What if the squeeze on the 3 big American auto makers is a squeeze by the environmentalists to force them through an agreement to stop making SUVs and start making hybrids and energy efficient cars as part of the bail out? This wouldn't be the first time. Remember when everyone drove big cars and then gasoline prices went up and people got rid of the large Chryslers and so on and demanded smaller gas saving cars and then Japan and foreign makers were more than happy to supply Americans out with their demand. These are part of the games that those at the top enjoy playing as they watch the American people scramble around to make ends meet and change to their new agendas by using chaos, fear, confusion, and economics to control the worker bees for their entertainment when they're bored! And if that's just a bizarre theory - at least it's a theory!

It does make a difference

We hear all this talk that the present financial problem is much bigger than the Great Depression.

Could this be the reason?

In 1928 the population was 128,000,000, and now it is over 300,000,000.

And the money has changed in value. A 1928 dollar is worth about .08¢ today, and a millionaire in 2008 would have had about $80,000 in 1928.

The difference in the number of people and the value of money does make a difference. And don’t forget, today we have computer experts who can make any bad situation even worse.

I was born in 1928 at about 8 pounds, and I can assure you I weigh more than that now. So am I the same person, or is something about me different now versus then?


To many government regulations
The American auto companies have made huge improvements in gas eficiency and quality. The same machine that just got Obama elected has been trying to put GM out of business for 25 years. These corporation hating tree hugging liberals don't get it that without GM Chrysler and Ford there is NO UAW. Why do cars with less American made parts get better tax breaks? Why isn't it taken into consideration that the foreign auto makers are backed by their governments for all their innovations for improvements, that money doesn't come out of the company. If the big three go down you will see just what they do for our economy.

Leslie
Those will lose their jobs in Chapter 11. Who is going to buy a car or truck from a company in bankruptcy?

what can I say about this man that hasn't been said about afghannastand.
Typical moron ....

A culture of worker independence
Ken Blackwell is a typical Right-wing union buster. What he suggests would drive down wages and keep profits high for corporate America. Without alternative means of subsistence and income maintenance, American workers will be at the mercy of their employers. To file for chapter 11 and renegotiate labor contracts implies that the unions will have to give back hard won rights and benefits: good pay, job security, pension plans. The right-wingers tell us the “give backs” (so-called 21st Century welfare) are necessary to make American corporations competitive and profitable in the global economy. If so, the solution is simple. Opt out of the global economy and take care of American workers first. Chaka Z.



Aqaki...............
If you privatize Hartsfield, where will all of Bill Campbell's relatives ply their trade in graft and corruption. I shudder to think of all those people loose on the streets. I lived in Atlanta until I couldn't stand it anymore. I feel sorry for the Mayor, she stepped into a hurricane, and now, with Fulton County failing with the defections of the northern towns, the mess will get worse. Atlanta has become the new model for a dying city. If Buckhead is successful in splitting off from the city, it's really over. The Jackson/Campbell era doomed the city.

Ignorance
Lon and other Liberals have no understanding whatsoever of economics nor will they acknowledge the Democrat culpability in the current financial crisis. Th Community Reinvestment Act created by Carter and put on steroids by Clinton is behind this problem.

In addition to the UAW the CAFE standards are another huge problem dragging down the Big 3. Since our so-called representatives are too cowardly to enact a gas tax they outsourced the need to increase mileage to the automakers via CAFE. Had Congress had the courage to raise taxes on gasoline they would have created a demand for fuel efficient vehicles that would not have abated when oil prices sank to record lows. This problem, like so so many others are byproducts of government meddling int he marketplace. Why do you trust 535 lawyers (most but not all) over tens of thousands of business leaders and millions of consumers? Government is not now nor will it ever be the answer. It is always the problem.

"Fairness"
People, especially polititions need to re-read Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged.

Don in Texas

Lon
Reagan added about 1.6 trillion to the US Debt which is about the same amount in total dollars that Clinton added (1.5 trillion). Bush 41 added about 1.5 trillion as well. The big spender in total dollars wasn't Reagan or Bush 41 or Clinton but the current President--Bush 43. He added 5 trillion--more than Reagan, Bush 41 and Clinton combined.

As for gas guzzlers, I see that Toyota and Nissan both make a full-sized truck and both make some pretty good sized SUVs which also includes Honda--seems they aren't sinking are they. It isn't the vehicles. The Fored F150 is still one of the most popular vehicles.

It is poor quality vehicles in many cases and costs. GM pays 25% more for a US line worker than does Toyota for its US workers. Why buy an over priced GM truck or Dodge when I can get a better and less expensive Toyota and one on top of that holds it resell value (not that I ever resell them--drive them until they die and give them to charity) and is much less likely to be found on the road dead.


Welfare
Lon:

When people make bad decisions they need to face the consequencies and they don't need to go to the Federal Government as Grover Cleveland said during his Second Inaugural Address "The lessons of paternalism ought to be unlearned and the better lesson taught that while the people should patriotically and cheerfully support their Government its functions do not include the support of the people."

GM should declare bankruptcy and cities like Atlanta should cut spending and find ways to increase revenue. Hartsfield Airport can be leased or sold to a private entity which would eliminate the costs of running it and generate revenue for the city via leasing fees. It could privatize garbage collection, the city fleet maintenance and other services. But no, for too long the City of Atlanta has served as a jobs program. The Feds should require Atlanta and the others to take these steps first, then come back and we'll see about helping you.

Leslie:

Some of what the Big Three build is indeed junk--Chrysler especially and GM is just a tad better. Only Ford is really at the level of Toyota and Honda in quality.

ugh
It is good to see how ludicrous the welfare queen label actually was when it was being used to fire up whites against blacks.

This country made the mistake of putting Republicans in power for eight years. The result is that we have an economy that is reeling. Some of that is partially self-inflicted. The auto industry thought it could survive indefinitely on big gas guzzling cars. That put their margins too low to withstand the current slow down which is hurting all car companies, but killing the ones that were not in great shape without the slow down.

Bush choose to run up massive deficits to add to the Reagan debt while the economy was at the top of the peak leaving us in bad shape now that it is in recession. Lots of bad policy there, and lots of damage to our ability to address it.

But the idea that one should not get through economic cycles by compensating for them because that rewards bad behavior is just inane. Of course cities have less money during slow downs. And if one wants to shorten those slow downs, then it makes sense to counterbalance those cycles not allow them to multiply.

The column above is what happens when people care more about abstract theories than actual people.

Bail out
This article is a slam dunk! Has anyone gone out and priced cars lately? A full-size pickup is $30,000 if you buy American. Toyota hasthe same truck for around $21,000. That's a huge difference especially considering the Toyota is safer, gets better mileage and has a better warranty.

It's time ofr the American Automobile Industry to survive on their own without our help. They need to break the strangle hold of the union. That won't happen if we bail them out!!!

Do you notice who's pushing this in Congress? Pelosi. It's a shame she's in charge and so out of touch with reality.

KILLING THE GOLDEN GOOSE

.....From my blog ..."Unions Part Seven ...

....."What the United Automobile Workers has done ...on the foundation of coercive interventionist labor legislation ...is bring a once great company to its knees. It has done this by a process of forcing one obligation after another upon the company ...while at the same time ...through its work rules ...featherbedding practices ...hostility to labor saving devices ...and outlandish pay scales ...doing everything in its power to make it impossible for the company to meet those obligations" .....COLOSSUS

Hawkeye
It is no myth that the big three are poorly run. I'm not here to say that they build junk, I own a 2006 Ford 250. I do have a huge problem paying for a bailout that will not work. The unions have to be dealt with before any "loan" is even considered.In chapter 11 no one will lose their job, they just won't be making 50.00 dollars per hour. Just say no to bailouts!

Unions Aren't Over
In the pocket of our newly elected President is the Unions. Obama is looking to push through this new law that will enable Unions to walk into anywhere, get so many people to sign in an open forum and make the company Unionized. Open voting? No pressure there...Obama was the Unions last hope and he's in. It will give the thugs new meaning and new purpose. Unions always go Democratic and it has nothing to do with "the people" they claim to represent. They have no issue closing down a business and having their guys out of work.

Seawolf VA, Nov 19, 2008 - 8:24 AM EST

Thank you.

Taking from one to give to another in our country is legally criminal theft, and the perps (Congress) should be apprehended and prosecuted for their theft.

Like all victims of criminal acts, I want my money that was stolen returned to me. I'll take it in the form of a smaller and law abiding government that lives within the constraints of the Constitution.


No Help to Automakers
Enough already. The auto industry watched the politicians get away with the banks bailout so they are knocking at the door thinking this is the perfect opportunity for them to cash in. It's insane to watch all this. Let them renegotiate or go out of business just like any other business would have to do. Well, that is unless you have a bunch of cronies in Washington. They need to renegotiate with the Unions because Union packages are insane. On the ABC Evening News last night they reported that the union package for GM was $81 an hour, per worker and Toyota was at $44, I believe. It's the Unions not wanting to give up their extra funds (you know so they can give it to politicians and run stupid commercials...) Lets see how accommodating the unions are now with the automakers in trouble. Do they want to help the situation or put their guys out of work? And maybe the auto industry needs to rethink the way it sells cars. It shouldn't have to be such an ordeal to buy a car. You feel like you are dealing with slicksters and its time to play lets make a deal. Just let there be one price for a car and that's it. They could fix it if they wanted to but not off our backs.

UAW's day of reckoning
The auto-industry union-boss illuminati have had their hey-day. It is drawing to a close for them. And when they go down in smoke, they will be taking down with them real workers, their families and a state's economy that tried to ride a wave not only to shore but across the beach. Not doable.

James Madison once said
when asked to bail out some folks who lost homes in a fire I believe " I cannot begin to lay my finger on one word in the Constitution that allows me to take from one citizen and give to another".

Since Madison is called the "father of the Constitution" that makes ALL welfare un-constitutional.

Knock off that gravy train which costs us a TRILLION a year and a lot of our fiscal problems will become manageable.

Will it ever happen, hell NO because we are paying people in gov't created jobs to give away our own money so dems can get re-elected and steal more of our money...it's called income re-distribution on their side and insanity on ours because we are insane to continue it.

I would add this thought

The socialists in Congress believe they should provide specific welfare programs and the Constitution provides only provisions for the 'General Welfare.'

I think it is time we legally look at these bailout programs and other socialist programs for their legality issues.

Because Congress enacts a law or a program doesn't mean that it is lawful according to the constraints imposed by the Constitution.

There is nothing I find in my reading of the Constitution that provides for the Congress to take money in the form of taxes, from the People, and give it to any other specific part of the economy.

It is my belief that all welfare programs and bailouts are unlawful according to the Constitution and must be challenged in the courts.

I further believe that individuals in Congress who voted for these enabling laws knew exactly what they were doing and need to be held accountable for their actions.

We have let Congress get away with lawbreaking too long and it is time to return to our place as a country based on laws.

Me personally, I'm pi$$ed off at the lawlessness in our own government.



The Big Three & the Unions

The only problem I see here, is that the Big Three, who have been around a while as major American businesses, have thrown the towel in and have admitted defeat. Lousy business guys.

And the Big Three financial profitability problems seem to be rooted in having granted too many entitlements to the unions. Lousy business guys.

This is increasingly a competitive world, and we all have to use our noodle in business to remain competitive and successful. Alternatively, failed companies like the Big Three SHOULD just declare Chapter 11 and push the restart button.

Declaring bankruptcy will cause a renegotiation with the unions, the major cause of high costs and unprofitability in our American auto industry. And that's a good thing.

Regarding 21st century welfare, I think it is time to redefine our political positions in the U.S. as the 'Producers' (position now being held loosely by the Republicans) and the 'Parasites' (a position being held strongly by the Democrats).

Too many parasites around to my way of thinking. Time to get out the can of RAID.


MY TURN
I want a Rolls Royce that I can't afford. How about a bailout for me when I default? And after the bailout, how about another redistribution for accessories? And after the second redistribution, how about a golden parachute so I can retire in the new style to which I have been accustomed?

Is there a limit?



Who Resurrected George McGovern?
Dear Mr. Blackwell,
Remember the quaint good ol' days, when lefties like George McGovern wanted to give every family $1000? The Ghost of McGovern Past is visiting us this Christmas.

Our currency is due to end up like Zimbabwe's.

Best Bailout Plan

Give every tax payer in this country $200,000 ?

Outlandish? Certainly not....let the consumer gouging industries, banks, et. go into bankruptcy to reorganize and get their heads back on straight!

Leave the impetus for economic growth to American tax-paying citizens....a financial bailout would be well used to stimulate the economy!!!

Think about it!


Ranger29.

You like that Gay Congressman. Oh what's his name? Barney Frank! They guy most responsible for the banks writing bad mortgages. You know the congressman who had a prostituion escort service running out of his congressional office. Yea hes your man. Say, Why is he still in office? Could it be Liberals don't care about good government?

I take Paulson. You can keep Barney.

Paulson ill equipped to deal with proble

Why is Treasury & Federal Reserve involved in the first place?

They didn't cause the mortgage collasp, congress did by demanding banks give loans to people who could not pay them back.

Paulson should be telling the liberals in congress, "You broke it." "You fix it".

I feel
we are already past the point of, "then we could accumulate a national debt that even our grandchildren will never pay off." Can I get $10 million? I promise it will be the last time I ask for a bailout.
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