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Thursday, July 31, 2008
Ken Blackwell :: Townhall.com Columnist
Freedom Now
by Ken Blackwell
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Nancy Pelosi wants to the save the planet. That was the House speaker's answer to why she is not allowing a vote on expanding domestic oil drilling. Unfortunately, Americans' need for an ambitious long-term plan for energy independence is placing a damper on the speaker's planet-saving pursuits.

The energy issue is taking center stage for the public, and the call for a decade-long national mobilization. If this issue is forced to the next level, Senator McCain might win the White House and Republicans might avoid another election year rout.

First, Mr. McCain must outline an ambitious - Kennedy to the moon ambitious - energy plan aimed at transforming America from an energy importer to an energy exporter.

He should start with the obvious. Only conventional sources can address America's short-term energy needs. The nation has the infrastructure to use coal, oil, and natural gas, and all it needs is additional supply.

Critics of expanded domestic exploration say it will not address the nation's immediate needs because the benefits won't be seen for 10 years. Not true. There are dormant drilling facilities already in place that could yield oil in less than one year and some locations would yield oil in three. And both the outer continental shelf and shale rock could begin yielding oil in five to seven years.

America should not be importing 70% of its oil, much of it from countries that don't have our interests at heart. With at least 900 billion barrels of recoverable oils reserves - several times the known oil reserves on the Arabian Peninsula - it does not have to.

Coal is another energy source available right now. I married into a family of coal miners. The nation has the world's largest coal deposits, and can recover it quickly. Recent advances in clean coal technology make it increasingly attractive and can radically cut pollution, and further advances hold promise for making coal power completely clean.

Mr. McCain and Republicans need a future-oriented focus. The goal should be to change our economy and our energy sector.

The cost of solar power production is dropping, and solar power is on the rise. Many have seen T. Boone Pickens's Fox News Channel commercials promoting windmills. There are other sources such as the ocean tides and geothermal power. But right now all of these renewable, clean sources only account for perhaps 4% of our nation's energy. Mr. McCain needs to push for a tenfold increase in the amount of power we get from these clean sources over perhaps the next decade.

And then there is nuclear energy. Eco-friendly France gets 70% of its power from nuclear sources, while America gets 20% from it. Nuclear power is safe, and generates staggering amounts of energy. We need to double or triple the amount of power we get from nuclear energy.

Democrats are handing Republicans an issue that could decide the election. Now 75% of Americans favor immediately drilling here in America and 71% favor offshore drilling, according to a Fox News opinion poll. Americans reached a tipping point at $4 a gallon for gasoline, and we'll see $5 soon enough. Yet Mrs. Pelosi and Senator Majority Leader Reid are refusing to allow a vote.

Barack Obama's new commercial for energy policy shows his energy plan consisting of increasing mileage requirements on cars, regulating speculation in the markets, and taxing oil companies. None of that will address the supply shortfalls.

So Republicans for this year's election should adopt the "Do Everything Now" approach. They should be relentless in forcing these issues to votes in Congress. And the McCain campaign should talk about this issue every day.

The White House can force this issue to the next level and reshape the nation's debate. Congress is scheduled to go on vacation this Friday. As a writer for the Washington Post, Charles Krauthammer, suggested, the president should exercise his constitutional power to call Congress into special session for the sole purpose of voting on domestic oil exploration.

Democratic leaders will either be pressured to eventually allow a vote, in which case America can start increasing supply, or they will refuse, and make this a pivotal voting issue for millions of working-class Americans.

With quick action, America can lead the way in developing and exporting clean energy. And we will be able to export oil and coal - in increasingly clean forms - to the rest of the world. Millions of American jobs will be created, and our national security will be made more secure through energy independence.

That's an awfully ambitious plan. Only a president can marshal our nation for such a massive undertaking. And if Mr. McCain can lay out such an ambitious case to the American people, he just might become president.

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Hey - I've got an idea -
Instead of McCain creating more government beaurocracy - "an ambitious Kennedy to the moon ambitious energy plan" - how about he just calls for government to get out of the way.

No federal restrictions on drilling off-shore or in ANWR. The minimal restrictions on refineries and nuclear power plants required to make sure they are safe and do not pollute nearby groundwater. No subsidies for energy of any kind. No $300 million prizes for products that would bring in far greater wealth from the market.

I agree we need more oil, coil and gas for the short-term, and other sources for the long term (fusion seems especially attractive - and can probably be made to work in the 50-100 year time frame).

But that can all happen without the government.

Also - just a side note here - the constitution does not empower the federal government to have anything to do with energy production.

ranger29 typical example
of our bankrupt & incompetent contemporary education. Government bueaucracies, in their relentless quest to justify their "jobs" and their pursuit of yet more control over every aspect of our lives, is the direct source of most of our problems, be it energy, industry or just plain trade.

chris:
Fusion may never work as a source of energy. Some of the latest scholarship on the subject theorises fusion is not a viable energy source. If that is correct, no amount of time, or research will bring fusion energy production to fruition.

You might want to review the work of David Talbott and Wallace Thornhill. Their theories are interesting.

Roberta
You absolutely do NOT have the gall to go to Alabama and repeat the tripe you posted. I would delight in watching them rip you vital organs from your pathetic so called body. I would be ROTFLMAO, LOL, LMAO and whatever other cutsie little acronymn you and the other worthless turd hallyboy can come up with.

29
Obviously you are oblivious to what the role of government is. Perhaps you should read over the constitution and check that out. If the government got out of the way of the oil companies oil would drop like a rock in price. It already started dropping because Bush said he will open up off-shore drilling. We haven't even started yet and the price went down. Shouldn't that clue in you raving lunatic liberals?

InsightingTruth
I wouldn't stake anything in current research on anything being impossible. 50 years ago do you think people thought it was possible to have computers the way they are? with the internet as well? Technological advances can change how we approach problems and one day we might be able to control fusion.

Im not saying count on it...just don't put it to the impossible due to current research.

We need to hammer our Congressmen
and Senators. Democrats don't listen unless you threaten their jobs. So ANY Congressperson that doesn't listen about drilling -- VOTE THEM OUT -- vote for the other guy when you find out that your person won't vote for domestic energy. In the meantime, send emails and faxes and call your Representative's and Senator's office. GOPUSA has free emails you can send, and GrassTopsUSA has faxes you can send as well. Use these groups to get the word to Congress. THEY WON'T LISTEN UNLESS WE BOMBARD THEM WITH CALLS AND FAXES. THIS WILL BE LIKE THE SCAMNESTY OF 2007. THEY WILL BE FLOODED WITH CALLS AND FAXES UNTIL THEY LISTEN!
Mom in Wisconsin

Save this?
If you think there isn't urgency to getting Congress to drop its bans on offshore drilling and development of the ANWR oil reserves, listen to what Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama had to say in Missouri yesterday.

"There are things you can do individually, though, to save energy," Obama said. "Making sure your tires are properly inflated – simple thing. But we could save all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling – if everybody was just inflating their tires? And getting regular tune-ups? You'd actually save just as much!"

That's his energy plan? Inflate your tires? Get more tune-ups?

He is either a moron or he thinks we are? Which is it? Perhaps he should be doing Cartalk on NPR with Click and Clack the Tappin Brothers.

CKHustler:
I qualified my statement with may and if. I understand the limitations of current knowledge, and scientific methodology. Thank you for your comments.

Rightmindedmom
Its voting them out that works. The flood of communication concerning amnesty for illegal aliens had only the merest short term effect. The DC rats have years of experience that the voters are easily fooled, have short memories and/or are easily bought with that part of their own money the pols don't appropriate. Reagan was able to achieve parts of his agenda with a hostile congress because the re-election rate in 1980 was 67 per cent. It quickly went back to the usual 90 plus. If it goes below 70 per cent in November we will see drilling, shale oil recovery, nuclear plant expansion and enforcement of immigration laws. Otherwise, forget it.

Ken Blackwell for VP?
Ken Blackwell for VP!!!

Chris
I agree that the government should get out of the way, but the ambitious plan does not have to mimics the federal spending of Kennedy's to the moon plan.

An ambitious plan could include removing regulatory roadblocks and encouraging alternatives through tax incentives.

Absolutely on the money
The President should call them all back on Monday to deal with this, jsut give them time to do their laundry, no politicing.
I don't know where Dems get their 10 years to see results from drilling, if that is so, it is because Dems/enviros plan to keep drillers tied up in court for 9 years.
Wyoming is oil country and we see new rigs set up and producing in a tiny fraction of that much time. Jumping thru artificial environmentalist hoops is what creates bottle necks.

Obama correctly sees...
...most Americans as uninformed and gullible. He no doubt sees a small cadre of McCain supporters as stupid. As much as I hate to give Obama credit for anything, he seems to have this assessment right.

limitedgovernment:
Tax incentives are not a good approach. Politicians and bureaucrats notoriously back the wrong horses in technology races.

Freedom Now
Great article and it clearly shows the arrogance of people like the Mrs. Speaker. I think that if the Republicans seize on this energy initiative it will propel them leap and bounds in front of the Democrats and Senator Obama. The destiny of the party is in Senator McCains hands and if he doesn't manage this one key issue, correctly, he surely won't be in the White House in January 09. We can only hope he starts to listen!

pelosi and reid
Why have'nt the people voted them out? Can't they understand the Democrats plans? More and bigger gonernment, more control over the citizens and also letting the illegals have the same rights as the rest of our citizens. Where's it going to end?

Wake up people, vote the incumbants out, lets get someone else in to run our congress. People like pelosi, reid, edwards,kennedy, and all the rest of the leftist democrats that want to shut down our development of our nation. It goes without saying that gore is included in this too.

Jim:
McCain isn't listening. He won't listen. He won't be in the White House next January except as an invited guest at an Obama function. You need to get used to the idea of President Obama, unless Republicans wake up dump McCain at the convention.

Not Pelosi's job to save the planet
Somebody needs to remind Pelosi that she was elected to the United States Congress not the Planet's Congress. Her responsibility is to American citizens not "citizens of the world" as Boy Wonder calls them.

Her statement clearly shows she and fellow democrates are carrying out a foreign agenda that hurts American's in our own borders. Sounds like treason to me but at the very least she should be brought up on impeachment charges.

When you are a member of the United States Congress your allegiance is to the American people period!

The job of Congress is nothing more than voting and by refusing to allow a vote they are refusing to do their job. Employers fire people who don't do their job!





wes:
The reason your appeal is falling on deaf ears, is because it is strictly a partisan appeal. Work on getting your representative out, and don't replace him with a party hack. Replace him with a limited government candidate. Progress is only available to those who change what they are doing.

created soul:
There is no value in whining for the way things should be. You must deal with the world as it is. Human nature is what human nature is. We do not have the wrong people in office, we have the wrong offices for people.

Democrats are
arrogant,self serving, and indifferent to the rights and desires of the American people as a whole nation. At least McCain will stay out of my purse,protect life,keep me safe,and give me more oil,appoint judges that can read and follow the Constitution of the United States,and then leave me alone. That,s why I,m voting for him. Obama??????????

maggie:
McCain has not done any of those things. Saying he will is merely a gambit to get votes.

McCain has clearly stated his contempt for the Constitution. What make you think he will appoint judges that have read it? The notion is a fantasy propagate by the McCain campaign staff.

Sorry:
Sometimes my decrepit old fingers fail to apply sufficient pressure to the keys. There is an s and a d missing from my last post.

I apologize if this
sounds like a ludicrous statement, but IMPEACH the irrelevant $%$#@!

Impeachment...
...is a good idea. Unfortunately there is no one in Washington that does not reside in a glass house. They are not about to release an agent which the winds may carry back into their own neighborhood.

Insighting Truth
I am not now nor have been whinning. That is a speciality of liberals. Pelosi and Boy Wonder hold jobs with concrete job descriptions. Do the $%*# job you were sent to do! If not get somebody in that will do the job.

The idea that we do not have the wrong people in office but rather the wrong office is an extention of Pelosi plans. I guess we should change Speaker of the House to Savior of the Planet office? Oop's that's Obama's new title isn't it? Like it or not the US has borders and the POTUS, Congress are elected by American's not "citizen's of the world".




created soul:
You and I probably agree more than we disagree the issues that face us.

If we are to reclaim our birthright freedoms we must de-power the offices of government. We must restore the constitutional bindings that restrain the Pelosis, Obamas, McCains, Gingriches, Kerrys, and all the other petit despots who have power and money as their primary goal.

voting them out...
...is a great idea. Unfortunately, the most obstinate of the crew that keeps us from getting anything useful done are from districts/regions where their idiocy is seen as wisdom.

However, we have an opportunity. As I understand it, San Francisco has been hit hard in the housing market. How 'bout bunches of conservatives move in and vote Nancy off the island?


Voting the rascals out.
The idea is meaningless. You must vote someone different in.

Between bipartisan ballot access restrictions, and campaign finance restrictions, no candidate that actually intends to do good can get anywhere near the office.

Pelosi just THREW US A FISH!!!
The arrogance of this woman is stunning!

For the congress to adjurn and go on vacation when people are struggling with gas prices this high and the majority are clearly saying DRILL! is not only arrogant, it is stupid!

THANK YOU "LET THEM EAT CAKE" NANCY!

What a golden opportunity she has handed us, to show the American people that these people are nothing but puffed-up, self-righteous ideologues.

A special session would make it impossible for the MSM to ignore.

Republicans want to drill for OUR OWN oil to reduce gas prices and reduce our dependency on foreign sources.

Democrat leaders Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are against more drilling at home. They are trying to prevent Congress from voting on this matter. The solution to this impasse is to restore a Republican majority so that Congress can debate and vote on more production at home.

"Remember, every vote for a Democrat congressman is a vote to keep Reid and Pelosi in power.

EVERY VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT IS A VOTE FOR HIGH GAS PRICES, FOREIGN DEPENDENCY, INFLATION AND A FAILING ECONOMY! (Other than that, I guess they're not so bad, if you like totalitarians).

Oh!
There are also local party hacks(enforcers), whose job is blocking any worthwhile challenger from threatening the incumbent.

wally:
Where have you been? Republicans are no different. Every single accusation you threw at D's is equally applicable to R's. This syndrome is called, my pig is okay, yours is all muddy. If you can't escape this thought trap, you will be hopelessly ensnared forever.

InsightingTruth
Boy, you're really going to town in here.


I think our country is headed to a point in politics. This next election would be a turning point, one way or another...or it could be in 4 years from now. I think that America will either turn sharply right or go left, in which case I think there will be an uprising. The American people are right of center, they are just being duped at the moment. Once they start to see in plain day what these libs are all about, I think they will turn their backs on them.

Im optimistic about this...but we can hope right? haha

CKHustler:
When you say "libs" are you including McCain?

InsightingTruth
I haven't decided if McCain is really a lib, but he is certainly no conservative. I will not be voting for him. I think he would push back the conservative movement a couple years. Im waiting for Jindal to step up for 2012 with someone like Pawlenty or Palin or something as his VP.

Free Market Meets Technology
First, congratulations Mr. Blackwell on a great editorial. Your thoughts are laid out in a straightforward and logical way that present a solid foundation for a program. The problem is as others have written, we can not turn your program ideas over to an incompetent Congress.

Instead, we need to encourage the free market to continue to produce more fuel efficient cars and trucks, which they are doing. Lift the ban on drilling, which we are working on. Watch technology step forward to meet the demands of the consumer, which is happening. This will result in the AMERICAN people solving the problem with their resources and without GOVERNMENT bumbling and stumbling in and out of our lives.

This will allow us to bridge the gap that everyone is concerned about between fossil fuels and alternative fuels in a FREE MARKET fashion, not in Al Gore's dream world of totalitarian government controlling your life through carbon tracks and and tax penalties.


Fusion
In response to Insighting Truth Reply #3:

Your response is the standard response nowadays to the subject of fusion; however, that mindest should be in doubt. If you are familiar with Filo T. Farnsworth and have read the biography of him you would be aware that he developed a successful fusion device in the 60's but immmediately after it was successfully tested, the gov't shut it down. Here is a link to the chapter from the biography:

http://www.farnovision.com/chronicles/fusion/index.html

Of course, the bad part of all this is how we go about proving that he indeed did develop a successful fusion device since it does not exist today. Each individual will have to make up tehir own mind on the subject but if you read teh biogrpahy and undertsand his accomplishments I think most "critical" thinkers would have to conclude that he most likely did and that his claims of it being covered up are correct. My guess is that with the state of fear concerning nuclear technology at teh time, it was decided that unleashing something as potent as nuclear fusion could be would prove to be an overwhelming carrot for the Soviet Union adn the US felt they couldn't take the chance on letting them have teh technology. They may very well ahve been right at the time but it would be nice if the project would be revived at this point in time. Here is another link worth reading:

http://www.farnovision.com/chronicles/fusion/vassilatos.htm l

Insighting Truth, That's BALDERDASH
"Republicans are no different. Every single accusation you threw at D's is equally applicable to R's"

Most republicans are in favor of drilling and in favor of opening ANWAR to drilling so, how can you say "they're the same"?

There are a lot of Republicans with whom I disagree, but unless you have a workable plan where you would hand pick each and every congressman and senator (which would make you dictator) we will have to work within the framework we have. That framework calls for the people to pick their representatives.

The best we can do is to educate the people.

A wise man once said, regarding his followers: "We teach them true principals, and they govern themselves.

onewiseguy:
There are teenagers and hobbyist all over the country with working fusion devices in their garages and basements. Creating a fusion device is neither difficult or costly.

Getting energy from such a device is an entirely different matter. No one, including Farnsworth had ever surmounted that little stumbling block.

I do not emphatically state that energy from fusion is impossible. I leave certainty of that sort to the faithful. I only state that some of the most avant-garde scholarship points in that direction.

I dropped a couple of names in my first post. Check out their books, and decide for yourself if they are making a good case in support of their theories. I am not in a position to test their hypothesises, nor am I competent to prove their math.

ENERGY FREEDOM
Eight or 10 years ago the Democrats said we can't drill because it wouldn't help for another 8 or 10 years. Well its 8 or 10 years later and they're spouting the same mantra.
Of course its going to take some time, nothing ever happens that quickly except the left blaming President Bush for everything bad that happens and taking credit for everything good.
We need to drill now, period. We also need to begin the move to alternative engery sources now as well. YOU KNOW, DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME!
We need a congress that works for the people not for their political party.

wally:
Republicans have been in charge of the White House for most of the last 3 decades. At times they have had majorities in both houses as well. They did not perform.

Believing Republicans are different than Democrats is a matter of faith with you. I am sure the facts will not disabuse you or your faith.

Educating the people is in fact an important and significant step in the right direction. Eliminating the federal department of education would be a good first step to achieve that goal. When Republicans had the chance, did they do that? No. They did nothing but increase spending on that worthless, unconstitutional, and unAmerican part of the federal government.

I stand by my assertion. You will no doubt stand by your faith. Perhaps, now that she has promised for the fiftieth time, your wife will stop beating you too.

Don:
We need people that vote for the good of America, not for the good of their party.

Insighting Truth
This is not about creating a fusion device. It is about whether or not a successful fusion device has ever been created. From what I've read Filo Farnsworth's device was successful in creating a fusion reaction which by definition either releases energy (energy creation) or absorbs energy. Somehow I do not think that finding the means to capture and harness that energy is the real "stumbling block". The stumbling block has always been creating a device that could actually initiate a successful, sustained fusion reaction. Wikipedia claims that he was never able to sustain the reaction for more than 30 seconds but the biuogrpahy claims he did so for more than 10 minutes on several occasions and that the reaction was easily controlled by the operator (a must for safe use). Once that has been done, scaling the device/technology to be productive to society as an energy source should not be a stumbling block as well.

Spot on!
Ken - You are exactly correct. I hope you are listened to.

Rightmindedmom - I'm with you and will write weekly until we are drilling everywhere possible here at home. I will vote passionately for this and other issues in November. My prediction is that the democRATS will be washed away in November by a tsunami of level headed voters.

RKH
"My prediction is that the democRATS will be washed away in November by a tsunami of level headed voters"

...while I do not necessarily share your optimism, I certainly hope the democrats are washed from power and reduced to numbers so insignifcant they cannot influence politics in any way...they are a malignant cancer that needs to be excised.

onewiseguy:
Please believe I am not trying to be argumentative. If you look a little further you will find that a sustained fusion reaction is possible only if there is sustained energy input, but not otherwise. Home-built fusion reactors are not uncommon. Many have been constructed, just as I said. No one, including Farnsworth, has ever been able to get even a dollop of energy out of a fusion reactor.

If you think you can succeed where all others have failed, there are detailed plans available on the Internet that will guide you through the process of constructing your own fusion reactor. It is not expensive to do.

I agree that scaling up a working model of a energy producing fusion reactor would not be difficult. There just isn't any such animal available to scale up.

new energy
If you think it would take ten years to get new oil,you should wake up.Russia and Sweden found oil in the caspian see and they expect it to be on line in six months.All these other sources of energy for our vehicles is at least twenty years or more away

Where are the trolls?
Where are you guys? Let's hear it for putting more air in our tires. I want to read one more time "We can't drill our way out of this". Let's have a few more of those schemes which will solve our energy problems just as soon as the legislature repeals the laws of thermodynamics. I need more info on the deteriorating economy of the polar bears. Help me, help me.

As a full blown liberal...
...I gotta say that if McCain came with a "future-oriented focus. The goal should be to change our economy and our energy sector. " on the order of Kennedy's race to the moon, I would definitely consider him seriously.

As opposed to now, where I just groan.

IMHO, the energy crisis is at the root of all our other important issues (specifically the so-called war on terror and the environmental crisis).

Pistol, we can't drill our way out
of this. Just put more air in your tires and wear a cardigan.

Quit drowning polar bears, you heartless meanie!

Define "Facts on the Ground"
No conservative has ever defined "facts on the ground" relative to Iraq.

The neighborhoods of Baghdad which used to be mixed Shia and Sunni are now composed of only one group, the other group having fled for fear of their lives. Will American troops give military support to the ghetto composition or will we use military force to return the neighborhoods to their old mixed composition. What are the facts on the ground here?

Shiites in southern Iraq are murdering women for not wearing the veil. What are the facts on the ground here? Will we support the right of the women, using military force to prevent them from being murdered or will we use military force to back up the majority's Sharia convictions?

Who will we side with in the Kurd's area? Will we side militarily with the Kurds and fight to bring Kirkuk under their dominion or will we figtht the Kurds, supporting Shiite efforts to take over Kirkuk? What are the facts on the ground here?

Come on conservatives. Define "facts on the ground" using specific examples. Bet you can't.

Insighting Truth
I am not advocating that I can make one work. That is not my area of expertise or even serious interest at this point but it is obvious you're missing my point. What is a 10 minute nuclear fusion reaction if not sustained? And what exactly did the fusion reaction create if not energy? Are we to believe that he accomplished a nuclear fusion reaction that did not produce any energy when creating energy is exactly what fusion does which is why it has been the holy grail of energy for decades? I do not have all the specifics behind what Farnsworth achieved but what I am saying is that it's pretty silly to say that he achieved a nuclear fusion reaction but it did not produce any energy. The other point I want to make is that nuclear fusion is similar to fission in that the energy it produces far exceeds the energy required to produce it so your statement that "a sustained fusion reaction is possible only if there is sustained energy input, but not otherwise" is puzzling.
According the the biography the program was shutdown after he proved he had a device that could produce a sustained nuclear fusion reaction. The fact that he was never able to "get a dollop of energy out of it" seems only relevant in that he was never given the opportunity to do so.

paranoidmystic:
You are on the right track. Many of our current national problems revolve around fossil fuel as energy.

But the overriding, main, principle, primary, fundamental problem facing America today is misplaced faith in government solutions to the problems we face. If we can solve that one problem, all the rest of the problems we face will shrink to insignificance.

Insighting Truth
you state:

"But the overriding, main, principle, primary, fundamental problem facing America today is misplaced faith in government solutions to the problems we face. If we can solve that one problem, all the rest of the problems we face will shrink to insignificance."

I wholeheartedly concur...

Insighting Truth
..one more thing I forgot to add to my last response:

I'm sure someone else said this at some time so it's probably not my original thought but free enterprise is the catalyst for wealth and prosperity whereas government is a brake to such things. Things will never get better as long as we advocate for more government regulation.

ModMark
First off, you assume that it would take billions to bring fusion to market when in fact it could possibly take much less. I haven't done the research into it and I suppose you have not either so let's just say that assumption is invalid or irreleant at least. Even so, given what potential nuclear fusion has (from the perspective of revenue) I would say that any CEO contemplating it would be a fool not to pursue it...the benefit FAR outweighs the cost associated. It would be a financial windfall that would eclipse even Microsoft so that argument seems absurd on its face. Of course, approaching the argument from the perspective of "there is no guarantee that the technology could be made to work and therefore pay off" I can see your point. IN any event, with the enrgy crisis the way it is, I know that many companies and individuals are pursuing alternative forms of energy for consumers...teh demand is certainly there and the laws of supply and demand are immutable. If there is perceived to be a great enough need, someone will rise to the occasion and supply that need. It will certainly be interesting to see what hapens over the course of teh next few months leading up to the elections and also afterwards.

onewiseguy:
You present several pertinent questions. The most important question is, "Are we to believe that he accomplished a nuclear fusion reaction that did not produce any energy when creating energy is exactly what fusion does which is why it has been the holy grail of energy for decades?"

The short answer is yes. I am sorry, and I do not want to appear stubborn on this topic.

Here is an inescapable fact. No fusion reaction created by man to date has ever produced more energy than was put into creating it. That is not a theory, that is a fact.

The idea that we can create energy with fusion is a theory. The idea that we will not be able to create energy from fusion is a theory. That no energy has been created from a man made fusion reaction is a fact.

Please don't take my word for it. Continue your research on the subject. Read the books form the theorists that I recommended in my first post. Read other theories on the subject. One cautionary note: Stay away from non-scientific, conspiracy theorists. They may be right, but they do not have proof, or they would be showing the proof, and/or producing energy.

By the way, I have no ax to grind, and no agenda regarding this issue. My research convinces me that your belief in the future of energy from fusion may be unwarranted. I'm just saying if you are not willing to accept my view as knowledgeable, and sincere, I think you should dig deeper, and resolve the issue for yourself.

ModMark:
The statement you make in your 2:31 PM post is preposterous and contrary to all human experience.

Insighting Truth
Actually, this conversation has gotten me interested in pursuing the topic further.

Government...
...contained within the bounds of absolute necessity is good for human progress. Once government engages in activities beyond that which is absolutely necessary it becomes an impediment to progress, often stopping progress altogether, and in rarer instances even reversing progress.

onewiseguy:
I am glad. Knowledge is worth pursuing for its own sake.

It has been a pleasure conversing with you. I do not often encounter reasonable people on these threads. If only more people were inclined to be open minded enough to even consider the possibility that they do not already know everything they will ever need to know.

Insighting Truth
What?? I don't already know everything?! I'm devastated...and here I thought I was omniscient, wise like my moniker. Does this mean I can never be a liberal since I do not know everything?

:-)

onewiseguy:
Yes. I am afraid so. You are now compelled to compete with the likes of me, rummaging about for little scraps of knowledge discarded by the all-wise liberals. But, look on the bright side, liberals have discarded nearly the sum of human wisdom in an effort purify their ignorance and make it beautiful. That means there is much wisdom to find as we scuttle about in the detritus piling up in their intellectual landfills.

Proud Liberal, SO... Why do you care?
"Shiites in southern Iraq are murdering women for not wearing the veil. "

If your point was that we shouldn't have gone there in the first place, your post is a big SO WHAT! worse things than those you mentioned were going on under Saddam.

We liberated 25 million people and stopped a guy who WAS working on nukes and WAS supporting terrorism.

What they are able to do with that freedom is pretty much up to them. Meanwhile we have made Iraq into a killing field for Al Quaeda.

So, What has any of that to do with your silly post?

Insighting Truth, That's BALDERDASH
"as we scuttle about in the detritus piling up in their intellectual landfills. "

There is an awful lot of detrius on this thread under the title "Insighting Truth". Not that you haven't made a few good comments, you just seem a bit full of yourself.

ModMark
You're referring to the Mahnattan Project. The research into nuclear fission was funded by gov't dollars with the specific purpose ofwhether or not a nuclear weapon was possible and to have said nuclear weapon as an advantage over our enemies. Once Enrico Fermi and his team at the University of Illinois validated that nuclear fission was possible further work to actually build a nuclear weapon was moved to Oak Ridge. I don't know if any money was actually spent by the Gov't for nuclear fusion though...I'd have to research that further. In any event, developing such technology does not NECESSITATE gov't funding. The vast majority of technologies that we have today are not gov't funded but instead funded by private enterprise. More inventions have come out of the U.S. than any other nation for the very reason that ours is a system that encourages creativity. Gov't does not promote creativity but instead promotes the status quo and bureaucracy. Bottom line is that your statement is factually incorrect.

Wally
Actually, I found Insighting Truth's last comment hilarious. It may come across as pompous but if approached from the proper perspective I think was meant to be comically correct (as opposed to politically correct??!)

:-)

Freedom from Oil now....................
Ken Blackwell I do not know where you get these numbers from and that is not my post, because i agree with you.
America needs to stop being the no. 1 dumping ground from everybodies junk and cheap goods at astronomical prices. I quit wearing Nikes or any other athletic shoe when they went over $25.00 a pair. Crapp they only cost $5.87 to make and import.
I do not buy Import cars from Japan or Korea because they use the ol Government subsidy plan to sell more cars than we need. How can you make money if you sell them two for one (Kia).
Democrats have been selling us off bit by bit for decades now. Pelosi is trying to make us a fifth world nation of beggars.
I would love to call for her impeachment, the bitchh, but I am not from her state. I say build it and they will come, build better cars and better power supplies, new wind generators made in USA, not China, or Tiawan, or Korea. Build aircraft that go from earth into sub orbit and back to earth. Make Space once again the new frontier and make the world better and not just another war zone hell.

Fission vs Fussion......................
To onewiseguy TX and Modmark NV, the manhatten project was to build a nuclear reactor using fission. We got the Bomb as a bonus.
Fusion is like in the movies, but warm fussion is promissing.
New power plants would be online within two years of liscense, fussion would take longer but not by much. France and Germany I believe have warm Fusion Reactors Experimental, But if they are a go it would produce cheap electrical power and energy.

ModMark:
True. Taxpayer money (the government has no money of its own) has been used many times to produce useful results.

Is it also true that taxpayer money has often been squandered on useless projects?

On balance which do you suppose is the larger number?

wally:
Can you point to something specific? Something I said that was incorrect or misleading; not just something that you disagree with.

Butcher
Actually, you're incorrect. The Manhattan project was specifically started as research into whether or not nuclear fission was possible in order to build a super weapon...the atomic bom. The bomb was NOT a side effect of the research into nuclear fission as you state.

Butcher:
No one on this planet has fusion reactors producing energy. France has fission reactors.

Butcher
I just re-read your post. Insighting Truth is correct, there are no fusion reactors in existence. All nuclear power technology is based on fission rather than fusion...not sure if you just typoed on that.

ModMark
Actually no. The first fission reaction was achieved by Enric Fermi and his team at the University of Illinois. His experiment was specifically to determine if it was possible so that a nuclear device could possibly be built to incorporate the power suspected to be released by nuclear fission. Nothing of consequnce has yet been achieved by nuclear fusion.

nancy pelosi
let's be blunt nancy pelosi is an ahole.

MAD MAX

.....I agree ...lets give Anwar to Halliburton ...or at least give it back to Alaska ...what gives the Federal Government the right to own State Land ...Anwar should belong to the citizens of Alaska .....COLOSSUS

ModMark
The H-Bomb was a combination fusion-fission weapon (fusion boosted fission weapon) but the fission reaction is what creates most of the destructive force. The fusion reaction is used to create neutrons which in turn each cause another fission reaction in order to reduce the amount of fissile material wasted. Weapons involving fusion were called hydrogen bombs or H-bombs, also a misnomer since their destructive energy comes mostly from fission.(according to wikipedia)

Hey Proud Liberal
What does your #54 post about Iraq have to do with Ken Blackwell' Article on energy.
Did you fall asleep and forget where you were?
This discussion is about energy. Oh, I get it. Your ashamed of your party because they are going on vacation with out fixing our energy problem so you try to change the subject to Iraq.

Atlas Shrugged

onewiseguy, you've got it backwards.
A hydrogen bomb is called that because the main destructive force comes from fusing hydrogen. It has a small fission bomb core (like little boy that we dropped on hiroshima) to create the intense heat and pressure required to kick off the fusion reaction in the surrounding hydrogen fuel.

Fission reactors for power generation are common, especially in France.

The "Joint European Torus" has been built in Britain with French involvement. They have run sustained fusion reactions in that unit, but as has been stated, they've gotten nowhere near producing more power than what was put in

It consumes huge amounts of power to create the magnetic containment fields and to heat the plasma enough to initiate fusion.

We are many years away from a commercial fusion reactor to provide electrical power (assuming it is possible).

onewiseguy, never mind - I misread your
post...

my bad

Warning!
ModMark is a liberal who is trying to get you to buy off on the notion that tax money for societal causes can and has produced good results.

Tax money has never, ever produced a good result except when the government has used it for their Constitutional and appropriate functions: The military, the police, and the law courts.

The Manhattan Project was a military project. There have been a few other DOD research projects that have yielded ancillary benefits to society. But its primary function was military defense.

Outside of its legitimate functions, government actually TAKES AWAY. The confusion arises when, for example, a government-funded scientist publishes a major discovery. People say to themselves, Look! Government funds went to pay for this discovery. They never think about the fact that under capitalism, the productive scientists get funded anyway. The incompetent ones don't. The funding to the incompetent ones is a misuse of funds that could have gone to more productive uses. In other words, how many cancer cures have we missed out on because of our system of government funding for science? Think about that if you ever get diagnosed. I can assure you that our current system of government-funded biological science is infested with incompetents, frauds, and liars.

If you find yourself agreeing or conceding a point to a liberal, you must check yourself, and then check your premises. Liberals do not tell the truth. There is always another explanation for their so-called "facts."

Hey - I just realized "NANCY PELOSI"
Can be rearranged to spell

A CYLON ...
um, I guess I better not finish that...

The trick
The reason liberals are so hot to trot on getting you to admit their claim is so that they can use it as an argument for social spending. The argument essentially goes, "Since we both agree that tax money can do good for society, then we should use tax money to fund such-and-such project." If you then say, no, that is a waste of money, it is not efficient, etc., then they have brought you down to the level of haggling. Meaning, if they can make a better argument about the usefulness of taxpayer funds for that agenda, they will win the argument, because if something works, there is no reason not to do it. That is what happens every time a joke of a social scheme is passed anywhere.

I do think that it is important for conservatives to understand that government funding = destruction so that they can immediately close off that route of attack and then move on to more principled arguments, such as the unconstitutionality of the project, the violation of citizens' rights by government redistribution of wealth, etc.

ModMark, obviously the GOP ceased to
be "fiscally conservative" around the time W took office. As Rush likes to say, conservatism works every time it's tried. The GOP has not tried it for the last 7 years - they've governed as fiscal liberals, and now we're in a mess.

Oh - and if you're planning to bring up the tax cut, that was the one thing the GOP did right - it resulted in increased revenues and a smaller deficit than we would have had.

Jimmy Carter
If ole Jimmy would lead cheers for nuclear power instead of Hamas I could learn to like him.
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