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Thursday, April 24, 2008
Ken Blackwell :: Townhall.com Columnist
You Don't Have a Prayer
by Ken Blackwell
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One issue that is not being discussed much at the moment is what’s at stake with our federal courts. Some federal judges are now telling pastors and priests what they can and cannot say during prayers. And some of it is happening in Indiana — the May 6 primary state.

While articles in law reviews and scholarly journals are often dry and academic, some point out legal issues that are actually impacting the lives of people. Ken Klukowski’s article in the Georgetown Journal of Law & Public Policy, “In Whose Name We Pray: Fixing the Establishment Clause Train Wreck Involving Legislative Prayer,” is one of them.

When clergy offer prayers to open daily sessions of Congress, statehouses, school boards, or what have you, it’s called “legislative prayer.” Opening governmental sessions with such prayers goes back hundreds of years, before America was founded.

Yet now certain federal judges in various states are forbidding certain things to be said in prayer, with one even issuing an injunction against the Indiana House of Representatives to not allow any pastor or priest to utter the name “Jesus” in their prayers.

The Supreme Court upheld legislative prayer in the 1983 case of Marsh v. Chambers. In Marsh, the Court held that such prayers were constitutional so long as they did not evangelize or advance a particular faith, or disparage other faiths.

Since 1983, society has become less tolerant of public expressions of faith in general and Christians in particular. So in recent years, various groups have sued, claiming that when a Christian names Jesus Christ in his prayer it advances Christianity in a way that violates the Marsh rule.

The Establishment Clause was written to protect people of faith from the federal government. Many courts continue to use it as such. But for others, it has increasingly become a club used to intimidate people of faith into silence and drive them from the public square.

Some courts, in Virginia, Georgia, Louisiana, Indiana, and other places, are examining whether prayers naming Jesus are sectarian prayers advancing Christianity. Some of them find that they do, and are stopping these prayers. What’s appalling about this is what it means for Americans, both in Indiana and elsewhere. As Mr. Klukowski documents, almost 80% of Americans support invocations at public school ceremonies, and even more are comfortable with prayer in settings such as government functions. The idea of publicly asking for divine blessing and acknowledging our creator is shared by the vast majority of Americans.

This is not about forcing religion on people. This is about whether your spiritual leader can participate in your local community without Washington, D.C., interfering. This is about your local school board asking your pastor to give a prayer without a federal judge, telling your pastor what he can say as he offers his prayer.

Every federal judge is appointed by the president, and usually shares that president’s philosophy on the law. The judge who outlawed saying Jesus in prayers in Indiana, Judge Hamilton, was appointed by President Clinton. When the Seventh Circuit appeals court reversed the trial court on a 2-1 vote, the two reversing judges where appointed by President Reagan, and the one who sided with Judge Hamilton was also appointed by Mr. Clinton.

The Clinton judges are willing to impose a national secular agenda on society, while the Reagan judges are willing to say it’s none of the federal government’s business to outlaw saying Jesus when that name is spoken by an ordained clergyman during prayer.

Both Senators Clinton and Obama promise to appoint judges like Justice Ginsburg, former chief counsel to the American Civil Liberties Union, to our courts. Senator McCain commits to appointing judges like Justices Roberts and Alito.

The last thing America’s founders would ever approve of would be federal officials listening in to prayers, ready to forbid certain clergy to participate if they refused to allow the government to dictate to them that they could not name their deity.

As Mr. Klukowski writes in his closing paragraph, “preventing federal courts from involving themselves in the wording of any prayer goes to the heart of what the Framers wanted the Establishment Clause to achieve.”

Amen to that.

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prayer is a big deal
If judges can tell people that can't mention the name of Jesus, then truly nothing is safe when it comes to religious liberty in this country.


I can only speak for myself

But these judges do not have the authority to tell anyone what they can pray or to who.
I would never observe such an illegal order, not matter what judge it is that says this.


quote:
Some federal judges are now telling pastors and priests what they can and cannot say during prayers. And some of it is happening in Indiana — the May 6 primary state.

This is the same sort of a decision in Dred Scott.
The Moral Laws and the Laws of Nature and Nature's God cannot be abolished by any insignificant little man.

In fact this is straight out of the New Testament book of Acts, and the Apostles were commanded to do this very thing and we see how that worked out.

I believe in this same God and no judge with amend or outlaw what God has given rights to.

Any judge who would order this is a reprobate

correction
I believe in this same God and no judge will amend, or outlaw what God has given rights to.

Christians pray in Jesus' name
This is not only a question of rights--which it is--but also of common sense. This goes to the heart of who and what Christians are. If you invite a Christian to pray at a function, whatever it may be, are they not going to pray as a Christian? Christians pray in the name of Jesus because he is the Way to the Father. According to the Scriptures, nobody can come to the Father except through him, i.e. in his name. How else, then, can a Christian pray?

"Congress shall not..."
What too many people don't realize is that the 1st Amendment specifically mentions Congress - "Congress shall pass no law..." The 1st Amendment is an injunction on Congress only; Congress must remain neutral on matters of religion. The 1st Amendment also guarantees the free exercise of religion without qualification.

When a court, even the Supreme Court, issues a ruling such as this, it is overstepping its Constitutional authority. Courts do not have the authority to interpret the Constitution either. They must interpret the law to determine if it violates the Constitution.

Federal courts shouldn't even hear such cases. The 10th Amendment reads "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Religious issues are states' rights, not the federal government's.

All anyone need do
is pray the way they want.

Is a local prosecutor really going to put someone in jail for praying in Jesus name? Very unlikely. In fact, it would be a bonus for Christianity if they did. Can you imagine the national outcry?

What could be better for Christians to prove their case that Christianity is now truly a repressed religion in this country than to have a minister imprisoned for politically incorrect prayer?

BRING IT ON!!


States rights are anathema to the courts
These highly educated, but apparently "illiterate men in black" have been twisting the Constitution to fit their totalitarian marxist agenda for many years now.

Most Right-thinking Americans, though they really do care, have families to feed, and so cannot keep both eyes on their elected representative, or (more importantly) the un-elected bureaucrats that have been doing real damage.

We cannot in honesty say that any of these folks are lacking in intellect, so it can only be that they know what they are doing. This means they are willfully giving aid and comfort to the enemies of these United States. And should be punished appropriately.

The 10th Amendment is ignored and trampled on every day by all three branches of our federal government. I think it's time to re-claim those lost rights in a national movement.

Perhaps the wearing of the bonnie blue flag would be a good place to start.

the name of Jesus
Perhaps these judges would find it more palatable if pastors prayed in the name of "the One who loved us and shed his blood for us."

Would that offend?

Public places
For the most part, we are allowed to gather, speak, and include/exclude who we want in private ventures. However, the government is a public forum designed to represent everyone and should include all points of view. Religions tend to focus on their view of the world. I would no more expect a Christian to ignore Jesus than I would a Buddist to exclude Buddah. Thus, it seems that a reasonable, if not popular, stance is to take invocations out of public forums.

Its all about the Supreme Court Judges
Vote in November as if your life depends on it. The Justices appointed by McCain will be far less likely to legislate from the bench. If you think staying home to teach the Republicans a lesson will help, think again. It would just be another vote for socialism and secularism. Please vote for your Conservative candidates!

Christians, please stop.
When are you people just going to realize that you've won and do away with this incessant martyrdom? Over 80% of people in in the US identify themselves as Christians, even the democratic candidates are falling over each other to Out-Jesus their "preachers," and apparently it's a typo to spell "Christian" with a small c. Shut up, already. No one but Christians are buying the Christian persecution garbage anymore.

causes and effects
These judges are not the cause, that's spineless conservatives that allow these judges to be confirms and put on the bench. These rulings are the results of spineless senators with no moral compass.

Even good (or less than completely liberal) presidents try candidates like Harriet Myers. It's the moral responsibility of the senate to stop less than qualified judges from being confirmed. The liberal senators have the stomach to stop all judges right now, yet our side of the isle isn't up to stopping the ACLU lawyers when the tables are turned.

Having a democrat president only means the ruination of the courts if even more republicans deserve to get voted out of office too. Put the blame where the blame belongs.

One Nation under God
As a Christian, I support references to God throughout our government. As a Catholic, the presence of Jesus Christ in my life is also deeply important. Should we not focus on our religious heritage as it applies to the divine guidance from our Creator versus the more specific references to Jesus Christ? It seems that this is where the discussion becomes complicated because we are asking those who believe in God to take a step further in claiming Jesus as a personal Savior.

mashkiki
The federal judges mentioned in this article would not allow a Catholic priest to close with "In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit." You couldn't say that because it mentions "the Son."

Legislative prayers
The notion that including "Jesus" in a legislative prayer is somehow promoting one religion is ridiculous. Legislative prayers are just that. I don't think anyone looks to legislatures for religious guidance.

What the Indiana legislature should do is what they always have done. If a prayer has "Jesus," "Buddha," or anyone else in it, so be it. What's the Court going to do, post someone there to stop the Chaplain?

Our legislative and executive branches need to get a pair, and ignore court rulings that don't make sense, and where the court really can't do anything.

M Sederoff
There's little chance that someone giving a prayer would be sent to jail. But if a federal judge were to hold someone in contempt of court for saying something the court prohibited them from saying, a US Attorney is supposed to prosecute.

What's much more likely, however, is that local government officials just don't defy court orders. So if a federal judge issues an injunction, local officials will follow that order unless the order is reversed on appeal.

This really does a lot to stop religious expression, and it happens every day.

Silent majority
ArchonMac says, "Christians please stop--" Yes, perhaps a majority of Americans identify themselves as Christian, but a small minority are twisting our laws, which have allowed for tolerance and the absence of one particular church being established and sponsored by the state; and they are trying to force religion out of the public square. Christianity is supposed to be something that is never mentioned. Politicians are not supposed to use their religious formation to guide them in their decisions. It is not accepted as a motivating factor for doing or not doing things, and in the vacuum created, all sorts of other inspirations arise, some of them rather bizarre.

To paraphrase Chesterton, "When a man stops believing in God, it isn't so much that he believes in nothing. It's that he'll believe in anything."


Libertarian Justice

I’m not concerned about any threat to the faith. The clergy will not accept any unlawful order, regardless of the personal consequences. However, the author is right on the money concerning the appointment of federal judges. The Dems already have congress. If they get control of the other two branches of government, your can start practicing your new secular pledge of allegiance to the United States of Europe. “…one nation, under “me”, with libertarian justice for some.”

But that could never happen…


Pray to WHO
maybe it ain't OK to pray to someone named Lord Jesus, or Son of God, or reference to the Savior....but would it be ok to pray to the son of darkness, or pray to get 72 virgins?
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