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Friday, June 05, 2009
Kathryn Lopez :: Townhall.com Columnist
Stop, In the Name Of Love
by Kathryn Lopez
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"I'm still holding out for Mr. Right, but with all the pressure my roommates place on me and the way they embarrass me, sometimes I think Mr. Okay will have to do."

That's not dialogue from a "Sex and the City" remake. It's Andrea Moscoe, 20, who is a "committed chick," according to Cosmopolitan magazine, preserving her virginity despite being in college and "living in a house with five sex-crazed girls." The women's glossy profiles several young virgins in its July issue.

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Why would anyone not be having sex in this post-Victorian age? Brace yourself: Some young women consider sex an "intimate thing," according to the article. But holding out isn't easy; Cosmo finds their 20-year-old virgins on the brink of giving in.

Victoria Vikes, who at the ripe age of 23 is one of the older girls featured in the article, says, "Sometimes my virginity feels like a handicap. Dating is difficult enough without that hanging over my head. I might just settle for the next semi-decent guy who comes around."

Andrea and Victoria are representative of the women profiled. Most of these gals aren't even thinking the "l" or "m" words -- love and marriage. They simply want to wait in order to find a mate they will remember, or be "comfortable" with, or who will be "someone they trust."

Brooke Shields would tell them to just get on with it, already. In an issue of Health magazine, the "Blue Lagoon" actress and mother of two daughters named her biggest health-related regret: "I think I would have had sex a lot earlier! ... I think I would have lost my virginity earlier than I did at 22."

At the young age of 20, Miss Moscoe gets what Shields, at age 44, doesn't. Moscoe tells Cosmo: "My roommates always tell guys I'm dating about my virgin status, and tease me. I think it's because they are insecure and want the guys to get scared off or because they're jealous that I'm stronger than they've been."

And when Moscoe weakens and starts looking longingly at Mr. Okay -- or Mr. Right Now -- she ought to talk to some Newark public-school students. The nonprofit Best Friends Foundation sponsored an essay contest asking participants in its abstinence-education program to explain the program's significance in their lives. Hannah, a sixth-grader at Louise A. Spencer Elementary School, explained that the program taught her that she has "the right to say no to sex and drugs ... to respect myself and the ones around me ... to have trust, faith and self-esteem."

In other words, Hannah's self-worth isn't determined by her scores in the "Love Game," as the Lady Gaga song crudely terms what is far, far from real love. Quonia, a student at Chancellor Avenue School, also understands this important lesson. "There are plenty of times when boys have told me things that I wanted to hear just so I would have sex with them. But I didn't and I am proud to say that I'm in the eighth grade and I am not sexually active," she declares.

Best Friends' abstinence-only mission would be deemed "unrealistic" by many well-funded sex-ed wonks. But according to a 2005 study in the journal Adolescent & Family Health, students in D.C. public schools who participated in Best Friends' program were 6-1/2 times less likely to have sex than their peers. But while Best Friends challenges children and teens to say "no," it provides much to say "yes" to as well; showing inner-city kids they can have a full life that doesn't get its purpose from sex. Imagine: sex could be a beautiful expression of happiness and love instead of a casual, reckless or desperate search for a shabby substitute.

As sixth-grader Hannah puts it: "it's about sisterhood. Best Friends is about teaching young girls how to be smart, successful and beautiful. Best Friends is about self-respect, self-control, responsibility and love. It's about respecting your body and not having sex at a young age. Best Friends is about being truthful and being yourself."

Maybe they should quote her in the next issue of a certain women's glossy. Hannah and her friends might be the inspiration that Cosmo girls need.

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Kathryn Jean Lopez, editor of National Review Online, writes a weekly column of conservative political and social commentary for Newspaper Enterprise Association.
 
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Disgraceful and disgusting
Why the hell is a sixth grader being proselytized on the subject in a school, one way or another? No wonder teenage girls and very young women are having sex. This constant brainwashing is giving them neurosis about the issue. It should be left to the parents to teach them. If the parents fail, that is hard luck for those kids, but why should the other kids be mentally assaulted like this because of it? Sex education, whether pro or abstinence, is literally indecent exposure to a minor. Get morals!

What needs to happen is the TOTAL PRIVATIZATION OF THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM so that leftist propaganda permanently loses its foothold over the next generation and schools can go back to teaching academics.

"Abstinence Because"
would be my choice over "abstinence only."

I'm here, I'm weighing in, because I'm moved by the pretty much for sure circumstances involved in the death of David Carradine.

There's nothing casual about the strongest drive built in to us beasts. There's nothing to gain from "going with the flow." There's nothing sadder than one person making love and the other "getting laid."

Thank you for the article, Kathryn.

edit
if i had the chance to say it over, i'd change "getting laid" to "getting off."

requiescat in pace

Just a simple minded question
Having been out of the "game"--happily married over 43 years--I may be unqualified even to ask this. But is this perhaps a form of "diversity" that the Left considers invalid and an insult to cherished values? I ask, as Oscar Wilde wrote in The Importance of Being Earnest, only for information.

Virginity
"My roommates always tell guys I'm dating about my virgin status, and tease me. I think it's because they are insecure and want the guys to get scared off or because they're jealous that I'm stronger than they've been."

The guys her roommates are dating expect sex from their "dates". Little worry there. If they ARE the kind of guy is who is looking for marriage-material, then they'll quickly dump her roommate and may approach her, although virginity does not necessarily mean a woman is good marriage material.

Some people focus on physical virginity and neglect other factors that make someone likely to be a good spouse. I know some virgins who, unless they really get their act together, will be horrible wives.

Marriage-and-family-minded guys and gals should see each other and stay away from hedonists. The hedonists, if they are "smart", don't want to waste their time with them anyway - they should stick to seeing other hedonists.

Wendy
It's just one more example of the hedonists saying one thing and meaning another entirely: Keeping the Government out of our bedrooms really means that the Government knows better than you as to when and how your children shall be taught of bedroom behavior. This is why it starts even in kindergarten: it isn't about the birds and the bees so much as it is about undercutting parents' (and churches') teaching. That's why they push so hard for the 'right' of children to obtain powerful birth control drugs and risky devices, and when that fails, abortion; all of it, of course, without your knowledge, much less your consent, but certainly funded with your tax dollars.

As for "Cosmo", why a bordello rag is mistaken for reasonable, much less serious, journalism is beyond me. It speaks more of enslavement than enlightenment.

This really makes me frightened for my 14 yr old daughter, even though she is repulsed by all the trashy behavior she sees.

In the name of Love
When folks asked me about 54 years of marriage to my beautiful wife, I tell them that it included lots of "adult entertainment" without guilt.
How about that, kids?

Richard said
"There's nothing casual about the strongest drive built in to us beasts. ."

The drive you speak of is not really present until you are put into that situation where you have to make a decision-- a party, the back seat of a car, a motel room, home alone with just your boyfriend. When one is in this situation, you can easily say the sex drive is strong, but why even be in that situation?
Abstinence is like being on a diet--you try not going anywhere where you can eat anything and all you want--you plan ahead. If you don't you'll eat what you shouldn't and it will be too late.
Parents are too quick to allow their children to be in situations that they can't handle. The parent and the child don't want to appear to be "old fashioned". The parent wants the child to be popular and liked by their peers.
The age of that child keeps getting younger.
The Bible says if you raise up a child in the way they should go, when they are old, they will not depart from it.
We tell our kids many things for their own safety:
Don't swim alone.
Don't get into a car with a stranger.
Don't run after your ball if it goes out onto the highway.
We could add one more thing:
Don't be alone with a member of the opposite sex.
Make up your mind BEFORE things get heated up.
It has to start early in life.
The current problems we are facing with Obama's citizens of the world is because we did not raise our children, we let the Village raise our children. We bought into that lie. No one told us it was the Village of the Damned.


On the nail Joel-de Oppresso Liber!
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Obsession with virginity.
What is this? Once again the Taliban are out here at TH. Nowadays teenagers have sex, get over it. No one ever cares about boys' virginity, it's only girls that are supposed to remain virgins, just like with the Muslims.

One size does not fit all.

You go girl. If you want sex to be an intimate experience then by all means pursue your dreams.

The reports of young Ladies who have not waited for "Mr. Right" and have had sex as a result of social pressure report a mixed bag.

Some are glad they did because the peer pressure is off. Others report it was the worst experience of their lives followed by loss of self esteem and wish they had waited.

It can really be a mixed bag. Many sexually active girls at a young age end up sterle by the age of 30 as a result of damage to their fallopian tubes. Others hold out for Mr. Right and end up divorced by age 30 and wonder if it was all worth it.

Don't let the Liberal media decide your path. Many Liberals in the gutter are not satisfied and will do everything they can to bring others into the gutter with them.

Oh how I wish
this kind of program had been offered when I was a young woman.

I became sexually active too young (although much older than today's girls, I'm sure)and one reason I think this happened was because I wasn't very successful at making friends with girls my own age.

When it seemed like there were no girls to be friends with, I turned to the boys. Of course, the boys wanted a lot more than just friendship.

There is SO MUCH pressure on girls and so much competition just for friends. When a girl feels like she doesn't fit in with her peers and doesn't have any friends, it's easy to become promiscuous just to connect with others your own age.

I imagine this is one aspect of early sexual activity that most professionals don't consider as a source of the problem. They talk about peer pressure etc., but more often than not, sex is just a means of having friends. A program that shows teenage girls, some of whom may be socially isolated, how to make friends with girls their own age could give young girls a powerful tool to help them cope.

A lighter side to all this
I do not wish to be inappropriately flippant on a subject that deeply affects many young people, but in the midst of the discussion I cannot help recalling a rhyme from a bygone era that echoes what some are saying about the differences between boys and girls:

Hogamus, higamus,
Men are polygamous.
Higamus, hogamus,
Women monogamous.

i guess this is a way of saying that by natural tendency, men are hunters and women nesters. And that is one of the issues in the War Between the Sexes, so fully discussed in our time that no one can possibly digest all of it.

Ms Kelly
Thank you for sharing. I am one who has been there myself so know exactly what you're saying and I couldn't agree more.

The one thing the libertines never want to admit about human nature and sexuality is that many boys still use love to get sex, just as they always have, and some girls still use sex to get love, just as they always have. The whole game now, you see, is to get the girls to give over their natural reticence in order to accomodate the irresponsible males. They don't come right out and SAY so, naturally, but cloak it in terms like 'liberation', 'embracing your sexuality', etc. Not to say there aren't boys out there who are not on the prowl, but it's generally true that the female is the one with the power to control a situation.


I cann't imagine
looking at teenage boys now and remembering how teenage boys and even in their 20's; how immature and smelly they where. How do young girls let themselve go so easily? Most of these guys have nothing going for themselves and don't even deserve girlfriends!

Taliban? Who Said Anything About Law?
Where in the column or the comments has anyone said we should use law to control private sexual behavior? Nowhere. So why the talk about a Christian Taliban? We're discussion what people OUGHT to do with their personal choices.

I think someone does protest too much.

Two More Things
We should be honest with our children and NOT promise that there ever will be a Mr. Right or Miss Right. Likely, they CAN find someone right for them. But there is no assurance that they will. False promises create bitter spinsters, or people who get passive and assume that because someone is in their life, and the "time is right" that person must be "the one".

I won't rehash everything I've already written:

Women have created the "child man" -
http://walrus.blogtownhall.com/2008/01/31/women_have_encour aged_the_%e2%80%9cman-child%e2%80%9d.thtml

Conservatives should not ignore male concerns -
http://walrus.blogtownhall.com/2009/05/19/conservatives_sho uldnt_ignore_male_concerns.thtml


Mexican slimebag macho doesn't help!!
Remember that in their so-called Chicano "culture" all men are supposed to have sex with as many women as possible and their brothers are supposed to kill anyone who tries to have sex with his sister(S). THAT'S a sure way to promote a healthy society, suuuuure!!!

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Hang in there
Trust me. It's worth the wait, whether you are male or female. Don't give in to the "popular culture". Those people are the ones who are wondering what went wrong.
Just sign me "Old married guy"
40 years and counting.

What I've learned.
During the course of a fairly long and storied life, I've learned what a rational thing abstinence is.

If you're going to have sex outside of marriage, do it only when you're sure the relationship will soon be over.

As soon as you have sex, the relationship becomes about that and nothing else. If you haven't built a relationship that would be good without sex, that relationship will fail as soon as the "newness" of the sex goes away.

If you've built a good relationship first, then sex takes on a whole new meaning, and involves pleasures you can't imagine.

If you ever heard the way kids
of 13, 14, 15 talk about *sex,* you would soon realize all this *liberation* and *enlightenment* is really about selfishness and greed.

The fems. have done young women an enormous disservice turning them into pin cushions for 16-yr.-old air head males with spiked hair and smelly genitals. No one should have to submit to such abasement in the name of *health* or *experience.*

Young men, too, feel similar pressures at times. I once had a journalism student who refused to go to his high school proms because he said they were nothing but orgies that he found embarrassing, and that was over 20 years ago.

What we really need to teach is self confidence and self assuredness, so young people are not prey to MTV and the sex lobby.

Oh well, what the hell.
I am what used to be called a man. I would have preferred my wife and I be each others "first and only". When I was 20 I realized that wherever she was she probably had a boy friend and had probably had sex with him. I just wish she had married the guy because after33 years of marriage he is still the only man she has ever "loved". Not in the physical sense of course. Well, actually I have over the years heard her talking about loving other men here and there. Not me though.

Let everyone look into their OWN heart..
I respect the message about the "pressures" put on our young people in this I-can't-keep-up-with-the-changes world....Having stated that, unlike many of the commentors, I was certainly no "angel" in the old days. Back then, we had, what we termed, the "sex police". With a few exceptions, these folks tended to fall into one of two categories: 1. The "older" crowd which wanted us to avoid "making the same mistakes" that THEY did (can you say "hyposcrisy"?)....and.. 2. People who would sermonize that OUR behavior was "wrong" when it was clear that these same people never seemed to be "desired" by anybody --ever...Our theory back then, was that people in the second category would drop the preaching as soon as someone gave THEM sincere attention....Now here we are, decades later and while I understand the moral challenge, something tells me that things have not changed that much regarding that old "sex police" theory.

visier,AliveInHim, boone
Great posts, all of you!

Visier: I wonder if we simply 'throw' our kids out into the world, and expect them to know how to properly behave them. However, as a Christian, I wonder, sometimes, if I've done enough to teach my young men how to respect a young woman's virginity, as well as their own?

AliveInHim: When I met the woman who was soon to be my wife, she was a virgin. I was not! Having been backslidden for some time, I lived a number of years where I 'tried a lot of things', (some I'm not proud of!) Do you think that I was being satisfied with her? I almost dragged her down with me! But fortunately I re-committed my life to the LORD. (It was the best decision I ever made!) This August 31st, we will celebrate our 24th anniversary!

boone: I know how you feel. But I can't dwell in the past. If Yeshua (Jesus) has forgiven me, I have no need to condemn myself. As I said, we will be soon be celebrating our 24th anniversary. Twenty-four years the same woman. WOW!!!

For those who believe in the LORD, we must remember to explain to our children that sex was meant for marriage and that marriage is a "covenant" relationship. Hallelujah (By the way, it was the apostle Paul that said we should regard ourselves as fools for Jesus. If people think I am a fool, then I accept the compliment!

True love can wait.
Now some of you are going to say he's old fashioned, but let me tell you my story: I was faced with the same temptations you all are, but being a Christian and under the protecting hand of my Heavenly Father, I was a virgin man and I married a virgin young woman.
When we met and fell in love there were times I felt weak and she was strong and it worked the other way around. True love can wait when God is in your life.
We both knelt and prayed that if God willed it we would marry. He did and we did.
This coming October we will have been married 51 years. We had three fine boys but lost our middle son at age 11.
I don't regret waiting and neither did she. And believe me if we could do it, these young ladies could do it. But I don't recommend it without a relationship to God.


Hypocrites?
Having learned from your mistakes and passing along what you have learned doesn't make one a hypocrite.

"As soon as you have sex, the relationship becomes about that and nothing else."

Outside of marriage, yes. A lot of married guys WISH this applied to marriage.

The biggest unacknowledged problem
with "casual" sex and even with many marriages may be stated quite simply, but it is far from simple in substance. Getting involved with someone, even in a supposed one night stand, means getting involved with a PERSON.

Okay, so what? The problem is that a PERSON is an entire complex, unpredictable human being--one who has a history, a set of values, loves and hatreds, neuroses and phobias, physical illnesses, friends, relatives, financial problems, etc., etc. i am often astonished at the foolhardiness of those who enter into relationships without giving any thought to this situation.

If they did, they might be less promiscuous and more interested in deep friendship with those to whom they are attracted. I seriously doubt that they would incur serious damage from this practice!

well, no wonder
Once again, the mixed messages displayed here show a seriously distorted view of gender, orientation bent towards ideology instead of evidence and reality based dissemination.

Some here tend to invoke an extremely simplistic and generalization from ideology. As if this sort of approach hasn't been used for a long time, and never failed.
Well, it HAS failed precisely because of NOT taking into account the necessary considerations of individuals, sexual orientation or biased and unfair attitudes regarding gender.
Indeed, that is the consciousness that created the problem, so therefore isn't inclined to SOLVE it.

While it is important for any young person to mature and give themselves time to develop a strong self awareness and esteem, that also requires that society VALUE that young person to begin with.
And unfortunately, our society doesn't value females as it should, nor even gives as much pretense of doing so with the gender variant.


con't
Ancient cultures required virginity as a means of keeping IDENTITY pure for one's clans.
Men in particular could only know a child was theirs by that means.
Which is why virginity had any value, even if the female in question really didn't.
This thread is almost laughable with the kind of ignorance displayed.
But young people pay a heavy price for it, and can't count on the adults to truly meet their most urgent needs.

Which are mostly about isolation, distortion of gender expectations and sexual expectations and gratification and not being able to read the emotional issues they have and mistaking them for something else.

Marriage is not an option for everyone, not even supportive social and family networks are either (as in the case of gay children in particular).
And when our society especially fails girls, gives boys the wrong expectations regarding themselves and females...then adults like yourselves STILL can't focus and get real, well, no wonder there are still dangerous and remarkably revisionist myopia about history and context.

Going on and on and ON about feminists, liberals, leftists and so on, conveniently is amnesia regarding that these are the groups who have never really been fully in charge, but challenged the status quo and for reasons the powerful never appreciated: that they weren't doing such a good job, and those whose lives they affected BADLY had every reason to assert the needed changes.

Now, I'm not hearing any especially good ideas, just complaints.


con't
Here's some solutions.
1. Parents should be required to attend sex and relationship courses in advance of their children's courses in school so that they can better address the needs of their children. This should be non religious/ sectarian, non political when it comes to dealing with the realities of sexuality and emotional insecurity.

2. This education for adults and young people should also include gender and sexual orientation specific because gender variance and orientation rarely gets the treatment needed and deserved in mainstream education.

3. Young people and their parents don't deal with the emotional aspects that lead to unrealistic relationship and emotional expectations. This especially effects girls in ways mentioned by a few of the posters.

4. And NO, religious faith based and propagandist influence is VERY biased against females and the gender variant and leads to a distortion too of shame, guilt, expectations, and punishment.

5. If anything, some of you might remember if it was YOU who was socially awkward, lonesome or had little effective adult support for the worst of your insecurities. Empathizing with that, and remembering what you needed most goes a long way in reaching people where they need it most.

I'd rather discuss this idealization of virginity, sex and sexuality from that standpoint. I'm VERY conservative on this actually.
Don't try to shoot the messenger with trying to pinning on the liberal/lefty/feminist labels. Once you do that, then it's not hard to see that resolution isn't on the agenda here either.

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