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Sunday, June 07, 2009
Kathleen Parker :: Townhall.com Columnist
Obama's Muslim Campaign
by Kathleen Parker
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WASHINGTON -- If it ain't broke, the saying goes, don't fix it. And so it was that the Muslim world got to hear the 2009 version of Barack Obama's 2004 Democratic convention speech. In the first rendition before a swarm of fellow party members, though aimed at a national audience, Obama assured Americans that we are not a nation of Red States and Blue States.

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"There's not a black America and a white America and Latino America and Asian America; there's the United States of America."

Four years later, Obama was elected president of those United States.

At Cairo University Thursday, Obama delivered essentially the same message on a slightly grander scale -- telling the world's 1.5 billion Muslims, as well as the planet at large:

"The interests we share as human beings are far more powerful than the forces that drive us apart."

The nearly hour-long speech, which contained many inspired passages, was essentially a teaching moment. A lecture, if you will.

Here's the lesson: We have to get along or we're all doomed. Freedom works; oppression doesn't. Your homework: Clear your mind of the past, evict stereotypes, and join the global future.

Beyond delivering core messages of partnership and a new beginning based on mutual understanding and respect, Obama made three big scores: He essentially neutralized Osama bin Laden. He managed to call Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad a hateful ignoramus without ever mentioning his name.

And, he affirmed Western values of democracy, human rights, religious freedom and women's right to self-determination -- all while making Muslims feel complimented, appreciated and understood.

No small feats.

To delegitimize the man whose name rhymes with his, Obama had only to show up and not be George W. Bush. Osama the cave-dweller's latest blurt, timed to pre-empt Obama's speech, was more pathetic than threatening -- the muffled bleat of an emasculated warrior powerless against an enemy he can no longer demonize.

Osama is the withered and quivering Gollum -- seething with envy and nursing his precious hatred -- to Obama's robust and hope-driven Frodo. The forces of darkness and light personified.

Obama similarly defused the nutty nuke-chaser, Ahmadinejad. Obama was talking about Iran's alleged desire for access to "peaceful" nuclear power and his own goal for a nuke-free world.

Whether Obama's approach to Iran is naive or workable can be debated elsewhere. He makes perfect sense in a perfectly sensible world. Most sane people want to live without the nagging threat of obliteration. And most would agree that reasonable people have the right to access nuclear power for nonviolent purposes.

But we know Iran's president to be un-sane and un-reasonable. Just the day before Obama's Cairo speech, Ahmadinejad repeated his belief that the Holocaust was a "big deception."

In his own remarks, Obama said that denying the fact of the Holocaust is "baseless," "ignorant" and "hateful." If Ahmadinejad didn't recognize himself, surely the rest of the world did, including Iranians who will vote in their country's presidential election this month.

Finally, Obama was unflinching in defending American values, though he characterized them not as uniquely American values but as human rights.

Listening to the speech, one couldn't help noticing (at times uneasily) the moments that prompted applause. Every time Obama quoted scripture from the Koran or conceded errors in America's own history, the audience clapped. (The loudest applause, however, came when Obama spoke of democracy.)

Although it made sense to acknowledge Koranic wisdom as a way of showing respect for the audience, I kept thinking: Why not toss a few crumbs to the non-Muslim boys and girls back home? If the message is our common humanity, why not demonstrate that commonality by showing parallels in Jewish and Christian texts?

This omission would have been my sharpest criticism of the speech if not for the fact that I was judging too soon. Obama saved the best for last.

This time echoing his presidential campaign, Obama said: "We have the power to make the world we seek (yes we can!), but only if we have the courage to make a new beginning (fired up, ready to go!), keeping in mind what has been written."

Then he quoted verses from the Koran, the Talmud and the Bible that all pointed toward peace. He wrapped up with the ultimate plea for hope and change:

"The people of the world can live together in peace," said Obama. "We know that is God's vision. Now, that must be our work here on Earth."

Hey, it worked in 2008.

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Kathleen, it's great when a conservative
can look at a liberal president's remarkable speech and give praise where praise is due.

Thanks for not criticizing just for the sake of criticizing. The majority of posters (and maybe columnists?) on this site can watch a bold, generous, historic speech such as Obama gave this week - and criticize it merely because Barack's a liberal (& not on the same "team").

You always rise above party politics, Kathleen.

What if?

What if Iran (Shia) begins stockpiling nuclear weapons?
What will the Arab countries do, who are predominantly Sunni? Will they trust Iran?
Sunni and Shia have been fighting each other for centuries.

Will the Arab countries want A-bombs as well, for a deterrent against Iran?

Can you imagine Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, etc. with nuclear weapons?

will - news flash... KP is a Democrat!


will writes: "You always rise above party politics, Kathleen."


Kathleen Parker is not "rising above" anything, will. She's a member of YOUR party.

"Choose to wear a hijab"

Given that there were so many inaccuracies and conflicting fluff in this "bold, generous, historic speech" (as will desribed it), I will just focus on three erroneous statements contained therein:

1. According to history, the Ancient Greeks developed medicine;

2. According to history, empirical investigations (science) of the natural world have been described since Ancient Greece; and

3. Apart from misprouncing hijabs, Obama said that women choose to wear a hijab. Wrong. Most women in the Middle East do not have the choice of wearing a hijab. In Saudi Arabia, for instance, it is against the law for a woman not to wear the head cover.

will

Kathleen Parker may call herself a Republican, but she has is not a Conservative. The two are not the same.

There are many types of "conservative".
It is a blanket, general, amorphous term. It means as much as the blanket term "liberal".

There are social conservatives, neo-cons, fiscal conservatives... on and on.

Stop saying "conservative" like it means one thing. It's a malleable term. "Conservatives" of a hundred years ago would not recognize the label.

will

She is a Republican. She is not a social or fiscal conservative. Further, she most definitely is not a neo-con.

She is a Colin Powell type of Republican.

will

Calling KP a Conservative is like referring to me as a Progressive.

She is a Republican and I am a fiscally-conservative Constitutionalist.

sol - hijab & burqa

Sorry, but I have never worn either a hijab or a burqa. It is interesting that will thinks that the speech was "bold, generous, and historic", when Obama wasn't even accurate.

Oh, and the moral relativism! Obama equated the Holocaust with the Palestinians. How many 100s of ovens must the Jews have built in Gaza to gas the Palestinians?!?!

No future for GOP in being Dem-Lite
"She is a Colin Powell type of Republican."

A more accurate term for that type is DEMOCRAT.

Denise/About that Holocaust
Friday 29 February 2008
An Israeli minister today warned of increasingly bitter conflict in the Gaza Strip, saying the Palestinians could bring on themselves what he called a "holocaust".

"The more Qassam [rocket] fire intensifies and the rockets reach a longer range, they will bring upon themselves a bigger shoah because we will use all our might to defend ourselves," Matan Vilnai, Israel's deputy defence minister, told army radio.

Shoah is the Hebrew word normally reserved to refer to the Jewish Holocaust.


Obama's Muslimization of America 1

Separation of Church & State? Not if it happens to be Islam.

Liberals (including their messiah-Hussein Obama) have much to say about "separation of church and state over here in America, yet Obama makes no bones about giving yet another speech to a RELIGION Islam! The longest speech of his presidency was a 55 minute praise and worship service touting the wonderfulness of (what else?) the Muslim religion!

An article on today's Canada Free Press website makes several revealing points about this president and the weirdos who so adore him (read the entire article. It is dead on:

"Obama’s Cairo speech: Genuflecting before evil"
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/11743

"Obama forfeited a precious opportunity to champion the cause of the blacks and gays and women who are persecuted by Muslims. Theoretically, the welfare of these groups is of paramount importance to liberals. In reality, progressives concern themselves with the oppression of blacks and the slaughter of gays and the torment of women only when such injustices can be used to gain political advantage against Republicans.

Innocents who are assailed by Islam discover that liberal vigilance is nowhere to be found. It is tragic for African blacks that their enslavement is not imposed by the Mossad, and it is ruinous for Muslim women that their agony is not inflicted by the Southern Baptist Convention. When provided with politically incorrect villains, liberal demands for intervention are incessant."

Obama's Muslimization of America 2

"But liberals not only refuse to condemn the racism and homophobia and misogyny being perpetrated by Muslims, they also smear as “Islamophobic” anyone who does object. Muslims have become the Left’s Chosen People, which has created a fascistic surrealism that the author of Animal Farm would find eerily familiar.

Jihadists constantly commit atrocities while their liberal sycophants insist that Islam cannot be held responsible for the evil committed in its name. The deafening chants of these progressive Orwellian sheep stifle dissent and facilitate tyranny."

"The liberal devotion to Islam constitutes history’s greatest unrequited love. Every social principle that progressives claim to cherish is rejected by the Muslim world:

Freedom of speech… Freedom of the press… Separation of Church and State… Civil rights...Women’s equality...

Liberals insist that these tenets are incomparably precious. Islamists could not disagree more. As Obama has proven again, progressives eagerly capitulate whenever protecting their cherished beliefs conflicts with the higher liberal principle of appeasing Islam.

Barack Obama’s speech was an amoral profile in cowardice. It therefore faithfully represented the modern liberal movement, which is extremely long on rhetoric, painfully short on backbone, and totally devoid of integrity."

So true.

Separation of Church and State? Yeah…as long as it involves Jesus Christ…not Muhammad.

In Obama's world, "America is not a Christian nation"..."America can be considered one of the largest MUSLIM countries...in the WORLD!!"

How're liking Obamanation?

Sol
I realize that a catastrophe may happen to Gaza (Iranian supported) or Israel, if Iran hits it first. Obama was not referring, however, to a future event. He specifically equated the Holocaust with the manner Israel's "treats" the Palestinians. Further, he claimed that there was a moral equivalence between Hamas' bombs and each settler's home.

The face of naivete.

Denise
I'm beginning to suspect you're not too fond of the Palestinians.
Americans seem ignorant to the fact that the Jews were always willing to share the land with the Arabs and brought modern living conditions to a backwards mass of Arabs living in filth and disease-until the stupid Arabs decided to steal the land that the Jews had bought from the Mufti.
Have you read "Exodus"?
{"Obama shockingly equated the destruction of European Jewry to the suffering Arabs brought upon themselves when they declared war on the nascent state of Israel," National Union MK Arye Eldad said. "If he doesn't understand the difference, perhaps he will when he visits the Buchenwald concentration camp [on Friday]. And if he still won't get it then, the Muslims will teach him a painful lesson that his predecessor learned on September 11." }
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1244035003344&pa gename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Parker is Powell
Kumbaya,Kathleen. "Can't we all just get along...I',not sure what the pwoers that be are giving to you 'journalists' and 'newspeople'...but it is working. PLEASE, someone get this wowman off Townhall...Ok I can still find MAlkin and others on other sites.

Good by Townhall. YOu are off my list.

Kathleen, go and take an aspirin and sleep it off.

This long legged Mack Daddy Obama lied
This guy the mack daddy Obama lied to americans and ran as a christian. To date he has not taken his family to a christian church and speaks about being a muslim. He lied about earmarks, he lied about taxes...hes a narcissist and liar and dishonest. When he speaks his words are without integrity and he dishonors the military with his flip flops apologies and is a disgrace as a commander in chief. This man threatens all the freedoms and capitalism of a great super power...and he opens the doors to an attack by the terrorists..he is weak and nieve..
I have no respect for a man who lies period
US ARMY RETIRED HARD

Wake up "will"!
Will,

The last thing conseratives need is a Colin Powell representing them. He was booted from Sec of State because he was more interested in what was called "The Colin Powell legacy program" by everyone there. John Bolton exposed him and unabashedly condemns his lies and deciet as he worked his own plans and not the president he served.

Then, for all he was supposed to be, he shows his racism and votes for Obama when he has the most moderate of republicans in John McCain and he turns a war over to the thugary that is Chicago politics. Obama soiled that beach Saturday at Normandy be his presence. Without the bought and sold media we would not know his name.

Powell once said to Sam Donaldson on "This Week with David Brinkley" when questioned about Jesse Jackson "Well, Jesse Jackson is a great American." I'm sure he feels the same way about Bary Sorento. Whomever is promoting Powell gets praise from Powell. Let the democrats keep him and we can flush them all at nce when Obama flushed the economy.

If you need more proof you will never understand that Powell is a fraud.

SC
Charlotte NC

sol - I Don't Hate Palestinians

I can't stand their belief that they should be able to expel the Jews from Israel and call it Palestine.

I know that Bibi offered to recognize the State of Palestine, if the Palestinians recognized the State of Israel, and they balked.

It is truly tiresome to hear American Jews say that all they want to is a Two State solution. What they fail to understand is that most in the Middle East, who refuse to include Israel on their maps, do not want a Two State solution -- it is more like a Final Solution administered by Jews to other Jews.

Israel was given back land to form Israel in 1947 by the United Nations and the ME has been p!ssed ever since. They want to drive Israel into the Mediterranean Sea.

KP - Queen of the Superficial
Will, what you think is bold and generous, the Arabs see as weak and effeminate. Arabs look for raw strength in leaders and even relish a little bluster and bragadoccio. Rest assured that they rejoiced at this new opportunity to take advantage of the US - led by this misinformed president.

NONSENSE, Kathleen !
.
"Whether Obama's approach to Iran is naive or workable can be debated elsewhere. He makes perfect sense in a perfectly sensible world."

TAKE YOUR LEFTIST RUBBISH ELSEWHERE, PARKER.

Getting to Real
The screeching heads aren't likely to acknowledge their lies or the insignificance of their babble. And we spend billions to explain why such babble doesn't ring true to young ears. A Dream Team of historical figures including Abraham, Moses, Buddha, Jesus, Muhammand, Lao Tsu, Chief Seattle, and all the rest would have incited more international tension than President Obama.

The geopolitical situation is far more complicated and explosive than we can admit. Yet, a young black US President named Barrack H. Obama managed to capture the attention and reasonably high marks throughout the Arab world and Muslim moderates.

Obama spoke to our Elder countries with a bit of respect, straight talk, and something to anger everybody at least a little bit.

He told the Israeli's it's time they quick whining, playing victim, and man-up. The Palestinians were reminded they neutralize their violent extremists or abandon hope for their children. He back-fisted Iran's bully hard enough that questions about his future are openly discussed in the public square. It was so easy to give Newt and Rush enough rope to hang themselves.


Who would have done a better job of putting at ease more than a billion Muslims and Arab governments ? Does it matter that most Americans aren't following this historic trip ? So the Israeli's are whining and the Palestinians wanted Obama to push harder ?

Bottom line: a young black US President captured enough of the world's attention in such a way that even the cynics are hoping the actions to follow the feel-good words might just offer a brief respite from recalcitrant despair.

It just doesn't make sense that Americans elected this young man. Yet, he is our President. This US administration is has higher approval ratings around the globe than any time since ....? Everyday Americans managed to embarrass themselves via an odd indifference to the events of the week.


To Whom it May Concern
I THINK I'M GOING TO BE SICK!!!!!!

Mindless Pap Dispenser Parker
At first I thought the column was sarcasism, but getting further into it I found Parker was serious.
Oncealways # 14 said it most succinctly: oBUMa's speech was an amoral profile in cowardice as was written in the Canada Free Press article.
Parker should take a trip to Canada and air out her head for a week or so. It seems the press in Canada has oBUMa tagged for what he is, spot on. Maybe she could actually learn something.

As for me, I will be more careful to ensure I scroll by her byline in the future.

He really said all that???
Gee Ms. Parker, it's a shame he didn't say all that you said he did. Maybe you should try out to be his teleprompter.

Caroline Glick
The best rebuttal to this load of trash is Caroline Glick's "Obama's Arabian Dream." Look it up. Pay no attention to the woman writing this column, who has begun writing as if she's from Jonestown.

OncealwaysaMarine
Well said. It's clear that the Idiot in Chief is nothing more than a projector of what he wishes were true:

I WISH we could balance the budget by spending more.

I WISH we could have peace with Islam by ignoring reality.

I WISH the tooth fairy would come and leave a quarter under all the kiddies pillows for the toofies they lose!

This man defines cognitive dissonance. It could have been invented for him.

Rahm Emanuel
The Chief of Staff helped toss Bibi out in the cold in the Clinton administration; he's shown himself to be even more like the Vichi French, in another famous conflict, selling out the Jews once again. He's the man who points out the hiding places, shrieking "Voila; voici!"

We see this repeatedly, as evidenced in the administration's almost-choice of Chas Freeman for Intel Director. You can't get any more anti-Israel than that: he blamed the "Jewish lobby" for exposing his penchant for anti-Israeli comments and sentiments.

Historically, the Idiot in Chief is completely wrong about Zionists, whom even educated Arabs once sympathized with in their aspirations to a unique Jewish statehood. The Idiot in Chief merely repeats the myths of the wind-trapped-in-the-car-with-the-windows-rolled-up, Ahmadinejad.

Whatever. Parker should no longer be writing for JWD, that's for certain.

BO's speech was fine, as speeches go ..
.. but that is his only strong suit. He has a good ear for what works with a particular crowd. It is true that speech-writers are involved. Also, young Barry never leaves home without his tele-prompt-y.

In word choice and in nuance, he managed to deftly thread the needle. I'm sure that his personal favorability ratings in the Middle East are high and that they are glad to see him in office.

But, does this 'move the needle' at all in the Middle East? No. Despite the fact that BO could get elected as POTW [president of the world] right now with the help of the fawning media, his ideas are bankrupt:

* in Economics: he is green outside, red inside
* in Foreign affairs: his mantra is "UN uber alles"!
* in National security: his politics drive his decision making. OPTICS trump reality
* Socially, his world-view is all about class warfare and identity politics, because that is what seems to work in elections.


The world-shattering Cairo speech
Let's not forget that Hitler, Dr. Josef Goebbels, Mussolini, Lenin, Stalin etc. also had given rousing and inspiring speeches (rousing mostly for those who were not objects of their hatred). Yes, the Koran is full of beautiful and humanist teachings and also of unforgiving intolerance when the teaching is about infidels or, even worse, apostates. The Israeli-Palestinian fight did not start in 1948. During WW II the British tried to keep tham apart while defending the Middle-East from going to the Germans. Fortunately for the British and the Jews, the Fuehrer did not listen to Field Marshall Rommel and the road to the Saud Arabian and Iranian oil fields was blocked by the Allies. Palestinian and Israeli gangs kept on fighting after the Big War while the Brits were caught between them. Strangely enough, Stalin supported the Jewish side in the hope to weaken the Brits. Immediately after the UN declaration in 1948 the Arab League struck. The score is even: the Arabs were the aggressors in 1948 and 1973, Israel in 1956 and 1967. The Arabs live more freely in Israel than in most Arab/Muslim countries. I don't think the larger problems can be solved by singing Kumbaya or letting the Iranians having their BOMB. Also remember that having a Bible hidden in your own home in Saud Arabia is a crime while there are holy Muslim sites in Israel and many a Muslim mosques in the USA and Western countries. The "Arab Street" is VERY different from the USA and Europe where the "Yes, we can" slogan resonated in 2008.

Re PESSIMISM
You are correct Joel-De. I think that our president and most of congress should be included in your 50% or so that think the threat is only from extremists. It is not.

Barry Dunham's speech in Egypt did NOTHING to lessen the threat of "JIHAD".

I believe that the cultural jihad is more dangerous than the military jihad.

Justice to Muslims worldwide is the return of the Islamic caliphate to rule throughout the world.

You would think that after Sept. 11, 2001 americans would have got their learn on. Sadly no.

"We have met the enemy and he is us" applies to the citizenry of this nation. Ignorance and apathy abound.

Islam is not just a religion. It is a political ideology.

"Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah." KORAN

This kuffar knows the danger. All kuffars should.




Parker and Will--Rise Above This!!!
"I summon my blue-eyed slaves anytime it pleases me. I command the Americans to send me their bravest soldiers to die for me. Anytime I clap my hands a stupid genie called the American ambassador appears to do my bidding. When the Americans die in my service their bodies are frozen in metal boxes by the US Embassy and American airplanes carry them away as if they never existed. Truly, America is my favorite slave."
King Fahd Bin Abdul-Aziz. Jeddah 1993 from AASW front page.

THIS is an example of the Islam that the President of these United States tells us it is his sworn duty to protect. Obama is the worst kind of deceiver and fool.

Obama is a disaster and a traitor to our country and our people. He is the classic Greek tragic hero whose flaw is his goal of winning over Islam to accept and love Americans, but not all Americans---by serving Islam he is "killing" the white part of him as he appeals to an ideology of hatred and death.His struggle with his acceptance of the white part of his being racially mixed is exemplified by who he chose as his mentor for 20+ years--Jeremiah Wright-purveyor of white hatred.

I don't believe one word of Parker's cr@p. I don't believe Obama loves this country---NOT FOR ONE MINUTE.

For a revealing study of Obama, see where some of my comments have come from:
http://bighollywood.breitbart.com. Look for the essay about Obama being the Greek Tragedy? by Jena. Read the comments-- especially the one by Driefromseattle. ILLUMINATING.



Parker and Will--Rise Above This!!!
"I summon my blue-eyed slaves anytime it pleases me. I command the Americans to send me their bravest soldiers to die for me. Anytime I clap my hands a stupid genie called the American ambassador appears to do my bidding. When the Americans die in my service their bodies are frozen in metal boxes by the US Embassy and American airplanes carry them away as if they never existed. Truly, America is my favorite slave."
King Fahd Bin Abdul-Aziz. Jeddah 1993 from AASW front page.

THIS is an example of the Islam that the President of these United States tells us it is his sworn duty to protect. Obama is the worst kind of deceiver and fool.

Obama is a disaster and a traitor to our country and our people. He is the classic Greek tragic hero whose flaw is his goal of winning over Islam to accept and love Americans, but not all Americans---by serving Islam he is "killing" the white part of him as he appeals to an ideology of hatred and death.His struggle with his acceptance of the white part of his being racially mixed is exemplified by who he chose as his mentor for 20+ years--Jeremiah Wright-purveyor of white hatred.

I don't believe one word of Parker's cr@p. I don't believe Obama loves this country---NOT FOR ONE MINUTE.

For a revealing study of Obama, see where some of my comments have come from:
http://bighollywood.breitbart.com. Look for the essay about Obama being the Greek Tragedy? by Jena. Read the comments-- especially the one by Driefromseattle. ILLUMINATING.



Whitewashed article
Again, another reporter, like Brian Williams, and the other liberals who cannot see the forest for the trees. This type of story only furthers the Obama propaganda machine and endangers our way of life. Unfortunately, even my 11 yr old recognizes that this country is full of stupid people and those of them that vote are definitely Obama supporters. This type of mushy, feel good, holier than thou, rhetoric should be ignored.

Naivete
An apparent apostate Muslim in love with his own eloquence gave a long-winded speech in a relatively secular Muslim country -- that is, one where apostates aren't always killed on sight. (He may _be_ an apostate, for all anyone knows. The real Obama is hard to pin down.) He praised Islam unctuously; extolled its glory in the Middle Ages; and apologized for his own country's record of toleration, humanitarianism, and progress. The columnist would have us believe that with a single oration Obama has set Ahmedinejad straight, rendered Bin Laden irrelevant, undermined Al Qaeda, diluted Muslim fundamentalism, and cooled anti-American hysteria. If she had any credibility left, her latest fan letter should destroy it.

David Podvin, whom OncealwaysaMarine quotes above, was correct when he wrote that "Obama forfeited a precious opportunity to champion the cause of the blacks and gays and women who are persecuted by Muslims." But if Obama had lit into the Islamic world for barbarism, terrorism, and ingratitude, he would've accomplished little besides causing predictable riots in Islamabad and Jakarta.

In brief, those who think that Obama's speech radically changed the world are about as naive as those who think that it could've done so. If he prattles till Doomsday -- that's not out of the question -- he won't do nearly as much good as he could do by quietly cutting off our subsidies to the Palestinian kleptocracy, sabotaging Iranian nuclear assets, or authorizing just one new domestic oil well.

One small detaill overlooked
North Korea also wanted nuclear power for purposes of supplying power and we all see what they did with it. A little chip in the armor?

Kathleen Parker seems to have had an...
epiphany of sorts, as she has become what appears to be an apologist for Obama.
Now for those of us who have done the research, which I might add, was totally ignored by the media, we know different.

Obama's past experiences in the Saul Alinsky school of radicalism prepared him well for this journey. He has a sizable portion of the population fooled. If you researched Obama's past, had read his books, taken notice of the friends and Church he associated himself with, his ideology becomes clear as a bell.

What Obama did in Cairo was to sell his country down the river while submitting to Islam. But then that is no surprise to those who know his past. From his book, Dreams of my Father: "I will stand with the Muslims if the political winds blow in an ugly direction." There are so many more examples I could give that shed light on Obama's real agenda but I fear it would fall on deaf ears. "America is one of the worlds largest Muslim countries"?

I suggest Parker read Saul Alinsky's book(Obama's training manual) "Rules for radicals".
She would find all is not what it appears to be.

Remember how during the campaign anyone whom used his middle name was ostracized by the media? Funny, he used it in Cairo. Also I would suggest a read of the Qur'an for Ms. Parker(the book Islamists follow as gospel)where it says, "take no Jew or Christian as Friend", "Slay the idolitors where you find them"...Wake up Ms. Parker, you are being led down the path to government control of every aspect of your life as well as the disintegration of every founding value that has made this Nation what it is.

Some points:
Iran does not need Nuclear power for non- weapons purposes. It has an abundant supply of oil.
Iran refers to Israel and the U.S. as the two Satans and promises to destroy them.
Israel has capitulated to 99% of the demands of Palastinians going back to the Camp David accord, Arafat refused to committ.
Each time Israel gave back territory as a gesture of peace it was immediately attacked from that territory.
Muslims in the Middle East want Israel destroyed...There is no compromise that would not ultimately lead to that end.

Joel the Poseur aka The Liar
spewing more of his innane commentary. At least he isn't telling us again how he "dressed up like an Arab and pretended to be a friend". You most likely never served at all.

Powell (rightfully) refuses to support McCain after McCains selection of Palin as a running mate and Joel the Poseur surmises that he can denigrate Powells military service? You are one pathetic piece of work.


Darn I missed the waste basket...
after reading that I have to stop and clean up the mess it made me PUKE. I'm tired of the apologies and excuses people make for this clown.

Peace and Muslims
The only way that we will have peace with Muslims and Islamic nations is the same way we had peace with the Soviet Union. We need to have sufficient strength to be able to obliterate any enemy foolish enough to use a nuclear weapon against the U.S. or our allies and the will to do it. Our enemies need to know without doubt that a nuclear act of aggression on their part will result in their total destruction. I don't care if they like us, hate us or love us, strength is what our enemies understand. President Obama is making nice talk while doing what every Democrat since Truman has done and that is reducing our armed forces to a pitiful state of readiness and reducing the size of our navy to the point of second rate status. I'm convinced that the "Obama Doctrine" is "Strength Through Weakness". He wants us to be so weak that we will have to knuckle under to the globalists' demands that the U.S. cede it's sovereignty to world governing bodies such as the snake pits we call the United Nations, World Bank, International Monetary Fund, etc.

Ropati,
The North Koreans and Iran have spent the last 8 years developing their nuclear capability. Now it is Obamas job to defuse this situation. Why didn't the Republicans/conservatives/Bush Administration handle it competently during the last 8 years?

For that matter, what did they do correctly anywhere, in any context? Put the blame where it is due and quit blaming others (ie. the Europeans, Clinton, Richard Clarke, the CIA, the FBI, Tenet, Congress, etc., etc., etc.)

5 stars
Once again KP hits it out of the park with a well written column on BHO's terrific Cairo speech. Only the bottom dwelling, sour grape mashing sore losing rwcons here at TH don't GET IT! He stated exactly what the US will and will not tolerate! He is laying the ground work for an accord at the beginning of his terms. Rather than a last second shot at a legacy like Clinton and Bush tried. Grow up rw!

Good parallel
"Osama is the withered and quivering Gollum -- seething with envy and nursing his precious hatred -- to Obama's robust and hope-driven Frodo."

If Obama joins Bilbo in leaving the scene for those more able to continue, his works will be legend.

T H---with an airhead like parker
being on your program does not say very much for you---I'm tired of reading trash like hers and others--they are brain-dead and easily led by the "messiah"

When are you people going to wake up? He can't just keep printing money--what will happen when China calls their note? You'll lose your property and everything els that you worked for.

If that's what you want , just keep bowing down and give the "messiah" what he wants. It sure as hell isn't good for America.

Anyone can make a pretty speech!
Yes we want peace. Do you think we are going to get it running down the US?

I'm was proud of this country for what it stood. I'm no longer proud of what it is under Obama. We are suppose to have a president of the US not a president of the world as he wishes.

Just bring all the illegals here and let the taxpayers support them then you have no one willing to work just live off the government like Obama wants so he can control every aspect of our lives.

We were the super power now we're going to be a third world in poverty. I won't be around but I sure feel sorry for all the young children.

Any person that can seal all his records but wants to make everyone's public can't be trusted.

Thank you, Mr Messiah,
How did this world ever get this far without the wisdom of Obama? The jackass makes another grandiose speech ripping America (the bad and ugly) and lionizing the dubious qualities and achievements of the Islamic world (the good). Yes, Obama, is a hero to these hordes but so is Osama, Khomeini, Arafat, Hitler and a thousand other "wonderful" men.

Robert
It's been interesting -- and sometimes appalling -- to watch the flame wars on this forum that involve self-identified veterans and their detractors. I have no idea whether Ranger29, for example, ever served in the United States armed forces, and I don't much care. He's a jerk whatever his background. Nor do I know anything about his most vocal critics. But sometimes they make detailed accusations against him and occasionally back them with plausible analysis. Of course it's possible for crap to be both detailed and plausible.

I wouldn't recognize Joel if I tripped over him, and I never served in Special Forces; so I'm in no position to question what he says about his history. I tend to take people at their word until given a strong incentive not to do so. Joel has never posted anything, to my knowledge, about meeting Napoleon or inventing the Internet. Consequently, I see no reason to doubt him. Indeed, he seems both an honorable man and an ardent Constitutionalist. Do you have a specific charge to make against him, or are you just calling him a liar to vent spleen?

the Iraq War -- the REAL reason

Half of the oil is flowing out of Iraq compared to when Saddam was still in charge-- OOPS!

So much for that theory, along with WMD's, mushroom clouds, a democracy to inspire others in being favorable to the U.S., and being greeted as liberators... pretty much ALL neoCON lies so Iraq could be taken out to get our bases there to protect Israel. With all-in costs now estimated to be $3 TRILLION, that will be $400,000 per Israeli citizen. Hmmm.

No wonder fully 90% of the 1.3 billion Islamics believe that we are simply pawns of Israel.

The artful neoCON/Zionist stratagem was spelled out clearly in the PNAC 5 years before 9/11. Krauthammer, Prager, Prelutsky, Barone, Morris, Medved and others here continue braying the neoCON mantra--> let's see how much America can be made to do for Israel.

We continue to be taken for a VERY, VERY pricey ride by the tiny percentage (< 2%) of our population which controls > 50% of contributions to BOTH national parties, the MSM, and much of the power structure.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/0 3/07/AR2008030702846.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_C entury
http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/spheresInfluence.h tml
http://www.codoh.info/zionweb/zionpgiraq.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Israel_Public_Affairs _Committee

To the good Dhimmis Robert and Will
The two of you appear to adore your POTUS. Me...,I do not so much care for my POTUS. I do have great respect and admiration for my TOTUS.

I think it would benefit both of you if you would visit TOTUS's blog site...,baracksteleprompter.blogspot.com.

Perhaps it will help you tone down your adoration of the POTUS. I hope it will help you put things in a more rational perspective.




We don't owe Muslims anything
We saved 5,000,000 in Serbia and Bosnia and keep 3 bases in Kosovo where 6 soldiers lost their lives last year.

We saved 20,000,000 Kuwaitis from Saddam Hussein.

We freed 24,000,000 from Saddam Hussein's terror and gave them a shot at democracy and saved another 25,000,000 in Afghanistan from the oppression of the Taliban.

We've poured trillions into Saudi Arabia for oil and virtually support Egypt and the renegade Palestinians.

Since the 600s, Muslims have offered continued wars of aggression, terror, hostility, subjugation, and recently for the US, the worst domestic attack on US soil since Pearl Harbor.

King Elect O can apologize up his posterior attitude, and it won't change history.

THE ONLY THING MISSING

....From OBAMBI'S speech and PARKER'S article were the loud slurping, sucking and smacking sounds that accompany such blatant butt kissing .....COLOSSUS

Paleocon,
Heros never blow their own horns. Humility naturally comes with their actions. Surviving sheer terror makes one humble and thankful that another day has arrived.

I sense no humility.

LC,
Instead of assuming some form of adoration on the part of liberals towards Obama, why don't you speak to actual events and actions of this administration and actual events and activites of the previous administration. Accusing one of adoration of an individual is just another way of denigrating ones opinion.

Speak to the facts and avoid hyperbole.

KP lacks
KP lacks the critical thinking skills necessary to be a republican. Or a conservative. She focuses instead on the "pretty" words and the thrill up her leg, and can no longer think objectively or rationally.

Why is she still allowed space on TH?

Hey, KP pulled her head
out of Obama's bum long enough to scribble some drivel.

Must be very dark and quiet up there; no light to discern nor sounds to interpret - only the gurgling and grumblings of her host's peristaltic function.

ZERO rating, as usual.

Dhimmi Robert Mn
Geez Robert...,ya try to give a guy a little helpful advice.

When I say that you appear to adore this POTUS I do not think that I am exaggerating.

I just thought a little perspective would help you. The TOTUS has a way of common sense about him that our POTUS does not.

Did you check out TOTUS's blog? Why not?

I check out baracksteleprompter.blogspot.com EVERY DAY.I find it helps me keep my sanity here in Wonderland where down is up and up is down.

Robert
"Heros never blow their own horns. Humility naturally comes with their actions. Surviving sheer terror makes one humble and thankful that another day has arrived."

A timely and civil reply, which I appreciate even though it doesn't answer my question. By this standard John Kerry was no hero. It doesn't follow, however, that Kerry never commanded a swiftboat or never served in the Navy.

In any case, Joel seems perfectly able to defend himself or to ignore you as he sees fit. I was just curious.

Oracle 1
Ah, yes: an Anti-Semite, clear as a bell. Code words don't hide it too well, do they Chas?

$.02
Ms. Parker insinuates that by Obama’s words, the radical Islamic threat of jihad is now neutralized. Let’s see if this holds true for the rest of us who live in the real world.

More loose change...
"’The people of the world can live together in peace,’ said Obama. ‘We know that is God's vision. Now, that must be our work here on Earth.’"

I agree, and let the work begin with the removal of all world leaders, because I truly believe that the people of the world will get along just fine if those who would lead would just sit down and shut up!

Kathleen, here's another take...
Try "Israel Matters" at Paul Gable's http://www.brushfires-of-freedom.com/israel.html
There's more at stake here than 'can't we all get along?' Spiritual depth is what's missing in this discussion...and it can't be faked by intellectuals. Wake up!

Obama as Frodo?
Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of Saruman.

Two Questions
One is: Why, given the fact Kitty Parkithere's ratings are consistenly the lowest possible within the measurement instrument, she continues to be published by Town Hall? She sleeping with some Boss? Got her kids in the same Private School? Was Lesbian roomates with somebody's wife? Throws good Inside the Beltlooper (yeah I mean it THAT way) parties? True Reaganites on TH hate her CINO-RINO-Rocky Feeler-Gilt Bird Cabin-Inside the Beltlooper-A List Party Girl guts. So why is she still HERE?

The second has nothing to do with anything, I just want to ask it.

If celebrities are fair game for poparazzi when they are walking around, then on what basis do they become off limits when assuming room temperature? Why should photos of Carradine DEAD be any more sacred then photos of him at some Premier?

Let the whole world see what Hellywood is really about--sex perverts.

mick


Obama's Muslim Campaign
will Location: CA Reply # 6
Date: Jun 7, 2009 - 1:23 AM EST

Will, Very good post. Well organized post. Thank's for your contribution to this thread.

History per townhall.com
Crawfish 6-23-07: "We need to carpet-bomb these people into submission. We must break their will. Retaliation should bring more carpet-bombing and nuclear strikes. They must fear and respect us, surrender unconditionally, and disarm."

Rugged Individualist 6-23-07: "Let's destroy the Iranian and nuclear military infrastructures. Let's seize the Saudi airfields. Let's wipe out the Syrian military infrastructure and help Israel destroy Hamas. Let's deport any Muslims in the US who advocate Jihad. If that doesn't break the will of the Muslims...let's up the ante tenfold."

JDW 9-18-07: "[after World War II] we should hve conquered the entire world to become the first global empire, as God no doubt intended, policing the entire world with the atomic bomb to back it up." 9-18-07: "The US military should be conquerors who will subjugate desert trash...The culture of the Anglo-Saxon Protestant is superior."

So, folks, it's easy to see why an initiative using tact, respect, compromise, and diplomacy would not be your choice.

Oh by the way
Well if this was any decent alternative reality parallel universe, I'd say: If it's Muslim I want it stuffed with chitlins and burned alive.

I'll settle for having every burka/diaper head bashed in on sight, just so long as the Koran is read only in Hell and used for toliet paper everywhere else.

In a really decent parallel universe...I'm just saying..

mick

Gee, what a pity
FDR didn't make this speech in tokyo and Berlin in 1939. We could have avoided WWII.

Paleocon
I never intimated that Kerry was a hero. I think he is a blowhard, but he did serve and his service should not be denigrated.

LC
Please provide a link. What is TOTUS?

bulldog
Obama is Wormtongue.
Working for the ChiComs.

Hilly was The Rapist in Chief's Chinese KGB control agent, Part One of The Plan. She is now in a support role for Part 2 and Beloved Dear Fuehrer Village Organizer Chairman HO Bummer aka Smok'n BO KOOLs is the Main Sequence.

Think I'm out there?

Been saying for YEARS, based on the KGB archives, that we didn't come CLOSE to getting all the commies in the Red Frankie admin and Hellywood. I believe Wallace was Stalin's mole and there's a good chance both Elanor and Red Frankie were too. The McCarthy listers just lay low and kept on Producing. I'm beginning to think Ike was in their pocket as well. HE put an end to the McCarthy investigation. He slows Patton NOT to help Monty, but to allow the Commies to grab Europe. He goes to Korea to keep us from winning, he keeps us out of a land war in Asia to aid the Chi Coms.

Am I out there? Look who just came out of the I love commie cuba woodwork DECADES after becoming traitors. Straight out of Foggy Bottom.

Yeah, I'm really out there. If there was two, there are hundreds. Like roaches and Reconquista greasybacks.

Scratch an Inside the Beltlooper and you got a 50 50 chance of hitting a COMMIEQR!

mick

reply to: Jim
re:
Jim Location: VA

Date: Jun 7, 2009 - 10:14 AM EST
Oracle 1
Ah, yes: an Anti-Semite, clear as a bell. Code words don't hide it too well, do they Chas?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

No-- just a Middle American speaking inconvenient truths... as Reagan said, facts are indeed stubborn things.

The Pan-Israeli lobby spends over 25 times as much as one might expect influencing politics... no wonder Rhodes Scholar Senator Fulbright and others have opined that it is fatal even to question our fealty and obeisance to Israel and Jewish agendas.

We continue to be taken for a VERY, VERY pricey ride by the tiny percentage (< 2%) of our population which controls > 50% of contributions to BOTH national parties, the MSM, and much of the power structure.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/0 3/07/AR2008030702846.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_C entury
http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/spheresInfluence.h tml
http://www.codoh.info/zionweb/zionpgiraq.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Israel_Public_Affairs _Committee

Joel

If Obama is evil, what do you call natanyahoo or Cheyne? Obama has never gone out of his way to invade countries and destroy lives. If Obama can get the Israelis to stop there invasion of the West Bank and torture of thousands of Palestinians he will forever be remembered much more favorably. It won't happen, Israel won't stop, and we will continue to let them bite our hand , until its a stub, I suppose.

lilly
and the second the Dark Age Barbarian women hating boy abusing diaper headed Ax Murdering Amishmen Deliverance Crazy Clan Krouts GET respect for me and mine, I'll tell them to bite me and go to hell nice, lil. Until then you don't play nice with cockroaches, you exterminate them. You don't say "nice doggie" to rabid wolves who growl at your kids, you SHOOT THEM.

These people are orders of magnitude worse then the Branch Davidians, the FLDSers who your ilk cheerfully gas and burn. The fact they wear diapers on their heads and share your hatred of White Male Christians should not blind you to the fact they are RABID WOLVES and should be dealt with as Rabid Wolves are--shot on sight.

mick

Hey Cupcake, You Missed the Message
"Beyond delivering core messages of partnership and a new beginning based on mutual understanding and respect"

The "mutual understanding" Obama shares with his Muslim brethern is that western civilization in general and the United States in particular are highly corrupt societies. That they've arrived at this juncture in history by stealing the resources from weaker, more noble peoples of the world and that the only way to right this wrong is by re-organizing the allocation of resources and ensuring those more deserving are given the resources of the former bullies. His speech got rave reviews, but just as when he called Gov. Palin a pig, it wasn't for the reasons you gullible, sold-out reporters think. The cheering you heard in the room wasn't for partership with the U.S., it was because they know Obama has the capability and intent to undermine American security, power and freedom. It's a goal most in that audience have been unable to achieve in the past 50 years, but now, they achieve their goals with no more loss of treasure or blood by their subjects. The audience just loved that message.

Iran, WMD, & The 12th Imam
MAD worked in the Cold War because, whether you like the Soviets, they were not insane.

The Nut With Nukes wannabee, Iran, is much closer to having nuclear weapons than the 10 years that to you wrote. Try 3 years, at the very most.

Why MAD will not work with Iran? Consider that Iranian leaders (including the Mullahs) are a insane, genocidal death cult that seeks to hasten the return of the 12th Imam, who was a 6 year-old boy that disappeared 1100 years ago. In order for the 12th Imam "to return", the nuts believe that they must cause massive death and destruction.


As an aside on Iran, I have read that Ahmadinejad is passing out "walking around money" to the poor so that they will vote for him. OK! It is not money he is handing out; rather, it is "walking around potatoes." I kid you not.

To The Gay & Lib Pride Tribes

You want us to shut up? Excuse me, but we have listened to your hateful protests for years. Unfortunately, for you, we learned well; thus, in your previous language:

Obama=Hitler!

Biden should have a heart attack.

Robert Gibbs should get cancer and die.

Rahm Emanuel should suffer and die a slow death from AIDS. (OK, this one is mine).

Per Kathleen Parker
Obama gives an inspiring speech, even about American values. But I''d be willing to stake my life that there is not one value in the US constitution that he would agree with, unless he first explained to us that it didn't mean what those ever so clear words expressed.

Robert
Teleprompter of the US is my guess.

TheAtlMac
What's your beef against Muslims? We are America, and other religions are tolerated.

Obama and words...
worry me. We all know what he has said in the past. He has apoligized and wrongfully criticized this country. He considers our consitution to be an impediment. I do not want to know what he says I want to know what he will do. If we get hit with another 9/11 type attack I do not trust him to defend this country. I also want to see his birth certificate. This is a man who spent his formative years in countries that hates the USA. His anti-american attitude is apparent.

Taft
Nothing against Muslims in general. Just not that wildly fond of the the ones who want to kill us. Additionally, when they are in charge of countries, they tend to have a distrubing habit of surpressing their populations, attacking their neighbors and suberting the peace and stability of their neighbors. Otherwise, they're a fine, upstanding group.

Will
"- and criticize it merely because Barack's a liberal (& not on the same "team")."

Actually, Will, it turns out they are criticizing it because they actually believe that Obama is the son of the Devil, sent here to destroy their lives right down to the last Aluminum Storm door, and send a rain of demon-bearing missiles and communist sympathizers who will eat their babies and salt the earth.

Let them have it, I think they actually get off on it.

New in Town

I am using terms, which come straight from the MoveOn.org and CodePink playbook. If you don't like it, tough. Maybe, I'll start ordering my effigies, just like the Left BURNED in the Bush years.

I am not a teenager, but was one during the 1980s and I recall clearly the kind of press that Ronald and Nancy Reagan received from the MSM.

FAILURE IN CAIRO
What we saw in Cairo was a weak, pathetic and cowardly man without principles or convictions begging for the love and adulation of Sunni Islam based on a speech and a calculated bow to a Saudi King.

Words and gestures, nothing more was done to achieve his goal as Obama is a man of words and no real deeds in foreign affairs where he's scared to do anything lest it hurt his destructive domestic plans.

Unless he decisively turns against Israel and more importantly turns back the clock in Iraq and restores it to the status quo ante of Sunni control Obama's speech will go down in history as a well-meaning but failed attempt by an inept US leader to mend US and Moslem relations.

Click my name and read: "Spine of Steel!," "Obama's No Win Situation in the Middle East" and "Why Obama's Moslem Outreach Initiative Will Fail."



Taft
Besides, you missed the point of my comment. My beef wasn't with Muslims. The military can take appropriate care of the bad apples in that group. My disgust was focused on the sold-out, brain dead, airhead, card carrying members of the MSM who are either too stupid or too far in the tank to see through Obama's lies and mainpulation. Without people like Parker, Obama would not be able to get away with hals the lies he does.

ATlMac toTaft
"Without people like Parker, Obama would not be able to get away with hals the lies he does. "

Not written to me, but I'm curious:
What lies has Parker enabled Obama to tell? Can you be more specific?

You don't sound like a birth certificate demento, so I'm genuinely curious about the lies that concern you - I don't mean just the things you think MIGHT be true, I mean actual, proven lies. If you can make a case I'll acknowledge it, I promise.

New In Town
" Consider that Iranian leaders (including the Mullahs) are a insane, genocidal death cult that seeks to hasten the return of the 12th Imam, who was a 6 year-old boy that disappeared 1100 years ago."

Consider Christian Leaders (Including Charismatics, Snake Handlers, Dr. Killers) who are a death cult that has as their symbol a man being slowly tortured to death, and seeks to hasten the return of a semitic itinerant preacher from the first century who will snatch beleivers into the sky as the very earth collapses in smoke, sending non-beleivers into everlasting agony. (This is because he is a loving God).


Which Christian religious leader has allied himself with North Korea, witnessed the recent nuclear weapon detonation & various missile tests, and wishes to purchase nuclear material from North Korea?

And, since you brought it up, several articles have been published here concerning the murder of George Tiller (including one written by this author). Just like TH did concerning the murder of Pvt. William Long by a Muslim convert.

Now, you go run and do a comparison between the enormous amount of press that followed Tiller's death and the paucity of MSM coverage relative to the murder of Long.

Joel
'Until late last year, I was an Army Special Forces Officer."

joel, I have spent alot of time in Muslim countries, and your portrayal of them is so off that it sounds more like something out of a Marvel Comic.

You were obviously not in Special Forces, that is a lie, and it is a lie that you hid among Muslims while disguised as one of them. Your lies are so transparent that even my children would see through them.

Give it up.

Joel
Honestly, you shouldn't be preaching about other people's religions, when yours is even goofier, and when you are so hate filled. There are many good, and honest places to learn about Islam, i.e.. books, web sites, magazines. Just remember to read stuff from people who are not liars.

Joel
Your story about spying for the government as an under-cover muslim is so lame and so silly that it makes me wonder what you are smoking out there in Nevada.

Do you really think that the rest of us are that naive?

atimac
seems you are new to these threads.

But several things about daft the retarded you need to fully understand.

He has told all how much he admires soros and given the opportunity would have done the same things to the jews that soros did.

He is an admitted communist who fully supports the efforts of the pretender in the white house to bring about the destruction of america.

He fully supports and believes in open borders because america cannot exist without a great influx of illegals. The porblem for calif is that they don't pay enough taxes because conservs are too greedy they do not want to share their wealth with the v arious parasites that daft calif to love and believes we need more of.

And finally being a supposed teacher he calls any attempt to point out the role the nea plays in indoctrinating students and willfully keeping them ignorant of history and little more than left wing trolls is right wing propaganda.

With daft the ignorant, everything associated with the repubs is bad for the country . But fortunately for america, according to daft the era of the messiah, that nationalizing of banks, gov't control of industry, huge deficits and non stop printing of money will make america the new economic engine running the world.

And any who criticize his new messiah and savior, the fool posing as president, is a blatant racist, and is standing in the path of the coming communist nirvana

St. Denis
"Which Christian religious leader has allied himself with North Korea, "

Beats me.

TH Poll
Who cares what effect Obama's Cairo speech will have on American image abroad? Why is anyone concerned about image over substance? If we still had any principles, our enemies would hate us and our friends would respect us.

Denis
"Which Christian religious leader has allied himself with North Korea, witnessed the recent nuclear weapon detonation & various missile tests, and wishes to purchase nuclear material from North Korea?"

I thought your original point was about the absurdity of Islamd religious thought, what does that, or Christian mythology for that matter, have to do with Korea?

I'm sorry you could only respond by changing topics, but, while we're at it, your suggestion that a Christian leader here is going to ally with North Korea to establish one-world communist rule is about on the same level and Joel's harem fantasies.

As for Tiller, the only comments on TH were posted by blog participants, TH never had one headline on the home page, and the TH employees, who love to was poetic about Jesus were amazingly silent.



New in Town
You're welcome to read my past comments if you're curious about the times and places I've found Parker's stupidity at odds with reality and surprisingly well aligned with Obama's misstatements, poor policies and prejudices.

watching from mars
"Which Christian religious leader has allied himself with North Korea, "

Beats me.


The answer is none, but, if you exchange "Christian religious leader" for "Ahmadinejad and the Mullahs" then you will understand that it was a trick question.

New in Town
You got it right regarding Joel the Poseur. His claims don't ring true. I have asked him repeatedly to substantiate his service credentials without any response. Military veterans can do so in a New York minute, but our friend refuses and claims "national security" prevents him from doing so.

I also spent a good deal of time in the Middle East and can only concur with your statement.

Atimac - Cactus head
Atimac - Isn't it amazing how much energy some of these posters have when they feel called upon to bash another American or someone who sees things differently?

I suspect if you asked them to write something objective, let's say, an opinion on the British-Polish history in WWII they would be at an absolute loss. But, when it comes to America-hatred and American bashing, the bashing of other races, cultures, religions, they just fall all over themselves, slipping and sliding in their own rage.

watching from mars
Thank you for stating the obvious regarding Joel the Poseur.

taft the retarded
funny how one of the greatest haters of everything american always shows up to tell us how wonderful these peace loving muzzies are.

So tell us daft why in the religion of peace, or rather the cult of bloody pieces, does such loving things as planting bombs in marjets that kill the fellow love all mankind muzzies

Or the bombs planted at wedding, or the bombs planted on dead bodies that kill those who respond to the first victims of muzzie love for their fellows.

But like all professed socialists/comminists you think that when the world falls into lock step with you and the rest of the trolls and bows down to the new dictator all will be peace and harmony.

But it seems the muzzies are caught up in the same cult of the personality for your messiah and savior, the flap eared fraud from corrupt chicago who realized he could only win by using the fraudulent fools at acorn and telling the trolls like you that you could prove you were not racist by voting for him.

But again we are waiting for you to answer why flap ears the fool hides everything about his past life. If he has nothing to fear, why doesn't he make public the records of his past. It seems we know nothing about him because he has far too much to hide

New In Town
Which Christian religious leader has allied himself with North Korea, witnessed the recent nuclear weapon detonation & various missile tests, and wishes to purchase nuclear material from North Korea?"

I thought your original point was about the absurdity of Islamd religious thought, what does that, or Christian mythology for that matter, have to do with Korea?

1. It was and is because if you substitute "Ahmadinejad and the Mullahs" for "Christian religious leader", then you will arrive at the correct answer. Representatives of Iran have been in North Korea during all of the nuclear tests (2, only the last was successful) and missile launches. North Korea is exceedingly poor and may well be put back on the Terror List, according to reports from the WH this morning. How can it make money? Sell nuclear weapons, components, or systems to Iran.

"I'm sorry you could only respond by changing topics, but, while we're at it, your suggestion that a Christian leader here is going to ally with North Korea to establish one-world communist rule is about on the same level and Joel's harem fantasies."

See above and get back to me about "fantasies", especially since the Obama Administration is apparently delusional, as well.

"As for Tiller, the only comments on TH were posted by blog participants, TH never had one headline on the home page, and the TH employees, who love to was poetic about Jesus were amazingly silent."

Untrue. KP's last column, alone, was about the murder of Dr. Tiller.

I don't read Kathleen Parker
see above

New In Town
Which Christian religious leader has allied himself with North Korea, witnessed the recent nuclear weapon detonation & various missile tests, and wishes to purchase nuclear material from North Korea?"

I thought your original point was about the absurdity of Islamd religious thought, what does that, or Christian mythology for that matter, have to do with Korea?

1. It was and is because if you substitute "Ahmadinejad and the Mullahs" for "Christian religious leader", then you will arrive at the correct answer. Representatives of Iran have been in North Korea during all of the nuclear tests (2, only the last was successful) and missile launches. North Korea is exceedingly poor and may well be put back on the Terror List, according to reports from the WH this morning. How can it make money? Sell nuclear weapons, components, or systems to Iran.

"I'm sorry you could only respond by changing topics, but, while we're at it, your suggestion that a Christian leader here is going to ally with North Korea to establish one-world communist rule is about on the same level and Joel's harem fantasies."

See above and get back to me about "fantasies", especially since the Obama Administration is apparently delusional, as well.

"As for Tiller, the only comments on TH were posted by blog participants, TH never had one headline on the home page, and the TH employees, who love to was poetic about Jesus were amazingly silent."

Untrue. KP's last column, alone, was about the murder of Dr. Tiller.


If this is a double post, I apologize. The insufferable "Page Cannot Be Displayed" popped up.

New in Town
What I find amazing is the energy the MSM, netroots, ACORN, cultural "elites" and the rest of the liberal shadow-Gestapo put into undermining free speech and demonizing those with whom they disagree. Their hypocricsy, misplaced sense of importance and double standards are staggering. Oh, and if you're curious about what I mean by that comment, just ask Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, Robert Bork, Trent Lott or any of the 500,000 or so American's who dropped by a Tea Party. They'll be able to explain it to you.

Joel
Don't worry, you will find plenty of TH posters who will believe you.

They already believe that Obama is building communist armies that will march up on the shores of California to turn America into a giant Gulag, that the earth was created 4,000 years ago, and that climate change is a liberal myth created by those same communists who want to destroy capitalism.

So why shouldn't they believe that you are an ex-special forces Rambo type, practicing the infiltration of Muslim cultures (with, undoubtedly, your thorough command of Arab languages)?


I know somebody who believes that the moon landing was actually filmed on a back lot in Culver City.

But, hey, fantasy life is alot of fun, it's just when you start to lose the ability to tell the difference that it gets a little worrisome.

OK Joel,
have you been in Saudi Arabia?

St. Denis
"It was and is because if you substitute "Ahmadinejad and the Mullahs" for "Christian religious leader", then you will arrive at the correct answer. Representatives of Iran have been in North Korea during all of the nuclear tests (2, only the last was successful) and missile launches. "

First of all, Ahmadinejad is not a particularly powerful entity and will probably lose the next election. The tension between him and the true power in Iran, the religious leaders, or Guardian Council, is well-known. As for Iranians being in N. Korea, it may be true, maybe not. If you can prove it I'll accept it. But getting hysterical over it seems like misplaced energy.

Challenges from rogue states are real, but consider the context: the GDP of Iran is 1/68 that of the Pentagom. If this were 1938, Iran would be Roumania, not Germany. North Korea is even more bankrupt and dysfunctional, alarming because they are unpredictable, but it is in more danger of imploding than anything else. China has much more to worry about than we do.

Get a grip, Denise, put emotion and fear and paranoia aside for a minute and look at the facts.


Denise -- forgot to ask
"especially since the Obama Administration is apparently delusional, as well."

What, exactly, has Obama said or done to convince you that he is delusional? Are you saying he is mentally ill?

joel the loon/Robert in MN
"Date: Jun 7, 2009 - 12:34 PM EST
Robert in MN
"OK Joel,
have you been in Saudi Arabia?"


Again, I don't give info on missions. Locations, Dates, what was done, who was there, none of that."

He is too timid to even give his name LOL. Typical LMAO watched too many rambo movies LOL

TheAtlMac
"Date: Jun 7, 2009 - 12:22 PM EST
New in Town
What I find amazing is the energy the MSM, netroots, ACORN, cultural "elites" and the rest of the liberal shadow-Gestapo put into undermining free speech and demonizing those with whom they disagree. Their hypocricsy, misplaced sense of importance and double standards are staggering. Oh, and if you're curious about what I mean by that comment, just ask Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, Robert Bork, Trent Lott or any of the 500,000 or so American's who dropped by a Tea Party. They'll be able to explain it to you..."

LMAO Ahhh you poor, poor victims whenever will the nasty majority stop picking upon you?

Robert
"I never intimated that Kerry was a hero."

No, but you did change the subject from whether Joel is a "liar" and "poseur" who "most likely never served at all" to whether real heroes are humble. I injected Kerry to illustrate the weakness of your position.

"I think he is a blowhard, but he did serve and his service should not be denigrated."

I agree that Kerry's a blowhard. His copious emission of hot air, however, doesn't alter the fact of his service. Only with strong evidence would I ever denigrate that service. But then I don't have to. His former shipmates -- and Genghis John himself -- have done a better job of that than I could've managed in a thousand years.

Back to the main topic: You said that Joel had lied about his service. I asked whether you had a specific accusation. To your credit, you did make one, that he's too cocky to be a true hero. But it has no relevance to he lied about serving. If this is the best you can do, I must conclude that you're denigrating Joel's service, something you just said shouldn't be done, for no good reason. I think you owe him an apology.

I realize that the anonymity of the Internet makes certainty impossible. Joel may really be a teenage Methodist girl in Florida, not a married man, a former Army major, or a member the LDS Church. None of that seems very likely, though, and you've certainly made no case that casts doubt on him.

I probably shouldn't have gotten involved in this dispute. God knows, I have more productive things to do. But it gets under my skin when someone accuses a complete stranger of falsifying his service. I see that a lot on Town Hall, and every instance reminds me of how ADM Jeremy Boorda -- the Mustang CNO, someone I admired -- was hounded to suicide over a decoration that he might or might not have been authorized to wear.

New In Town
Denise -- forgot to ask
"especially since the Obama Administration is apparently delusional, as well."

What, exactly, has Obama said or done to convince you that he is delusional? Are you saying he is mentally ill?


You wrote that I was engaging in fantasies. If I am, then so is the WH.

KP continues to the left
We liberal know one of our own when we see it, and KP continues her resolute march to the left. She praises Obama's speech in Cairo when every conservative knows thta Obama was just sucking up to Muslims and selling out the US by refusing to say that we were going to nuke the Islamic world into slag one day because we can.

Omission
The fifth paragraph of my previous post should read, in part, "But it has no relevance to WHETHER he lied about serving."

Sorry. Such things happen when I type too fast.

New In Town - I
"It was and is because if you substitute "Ahmadinejad and the Mullahs" for "Christian religious leader", then you will arrive at the correct answer. Representatives of Iran have been in North Korea during all of the nuclear tests (2, only the last was successful) and missile launches. "

NIT: First of all, Ahmadinejad is not a particularly powerful entity and will probably lose the next election.

D: I think that I have already wrote about his "walking around money - strike that, try potatoes" that he is giving to the poor in an effort to boost his election chances.

The Mullahs are not standing for elections.

"The tension between him and the true power in Iran, the religious leaders, or Guardian Council, is well-known."

See above and consider that the true powers have believe the same crap about the 12th Imam and the need for massive death and destruction in order to hasten his return.

"As for Iranians being in N. Korea, it may be true, maybe not. If you can prove it I'll accept it. But getting hysterical over it seems like misplaced energy."

Widely believed, even in Washington.

Several Problems
There are several problems with this article:

1. The writer has no concept of what the Koran is all about, how it was written or what predominates. The sutras (chapters) are organized by length, not temporally as in the Bible. The last sutra written may contradict all other sutras and THAT is the law. The last sutra written is believed to be the Sutra of the Sword, in which Muslims are ordered to kill all of us "infidels" or enslave us. Obama can recite peaceful phrases from the Koran until hell freezes over and they would be meaningless.

2. Obama once again spent time apologizing for America. The only thing he speaks well of is himself. The Wall Street Journal did an analysis of the number of times words were used in the speech. Muslim/Islam beat the others by a wide margin --- 70 times. That's more than once per minute. Christian was said 10 times and terrorism not once. There were others. Go to http://www.WSJ.com. They should have counted the number of times he said "I."

3. The writer forgets that Osama may appear to be a toothless dog, but he still holds sway with the terrorists. He is god-like to many and still a source of financing.

4. Aside from the fact that Muslims consider Obama a Muslim (which he probably is), they don't give a rat's butt about what he said in Cairo. The Koran tells Muslims to lie and deceive the "infidels" to achieve their goal of a world caliphate under sha'ria law. They are told to retreat when necessary to regroup and then attack again.

5. She is naive to think that Obama's hot air will convince Muslims to accept Israel, drop nuclear ambitions or their goal of a world caliphate. They will not abandon any means of achieving their goal. They are committed to dying for the caliphate. If a nuke takes out thousands of Muslims to take out Israel or us, they will make the "sacrifice."

Give it up lady!

Kathleen, Kathleen, Kathleen!
I'm sorry, but I cannot fall in line with the sheeple who listen to flowery words while our country is going down the tubes in a basket because of what has occurred since 2009! No birth certificate for public review. Obama's
paid out about $1,000,000 to keep the American people and courts from vetting his birth certificate, yet the president of Iran held his up for the world to see! So, why are we concerned about a speech from someone who won't identify himself according to Article II?

Obama's pushing for Nationalized healthcare we can't afford.

Amnesty for illegals? Does that make any sense? People who violate the laws which including public servants who are in violation of the law by allowing illegal immigration are
the ones at fault, but the employers get punished.

Yes, it's a lovely speech, but so what? Where's the trillions of dollars and where's the gold that was suppose to put my professional friends back to work who are now out of work and lost their homes because of the corruption in Washington D.C. and in the banking industry since the 80s beginning with the Savings & Loan that only escalated into what we are facing today? Where's the stimulation of the economy and the praise for our veterans and military? As the teenagers like to say, "What about me?" Me, meaning the U.S. taxpayers whose families have built this country by the sweat of their brows, the loss of their loved ones who fought for this country; and their tears and joys. We heard all of the speeches, yet, there's no accountability for the trillions printed as unemployment is in the double digits while we watch foreigners from all countries taking our jobs for fewer hours and fewer dollars. How has this speech stimulated the economy and helped put Americans back to work?


I rest my case

Robert in MN (asked repeatedly)
"OK Joel,
have you been in Saudi Arabia?"

Joel's response:

"Again, I don't give info on missions. Locations, Dates, what was done, who was there, none of that."

Thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands, of American forces have rotated and deployed from Saudi Arabia since 1991, but Joel claims that he cannot answer that simple question because of the need to protect his missions, presumably because of national security. How pathetic that this anonymous character carries on a charade, attempting to influence others by making false claims of military duty and linking them to his statements in order to enhance his credability.

You are truly pathetic.

New In Town - II


"Challenges from rogue states are real, but consider the context: the GDP of Iran is 1/68 that of the Pentagom."

That doesn't matter because they only have to be right ONCE.

"If this were 1938, Iran would be Roumania, not Germany."

Germany did try to beat the US to the atomic bomb, but it is silly to compare any rogue nation to the countries in WWII, who did not have nuclear weapons or want them.

"North Korea is even more bankrupt and dysfunctional, alarming because they are unpredictable, but it is in more danger of imploding than anything else."

True, but it did detonate a nuclear weapon last week. Again, Lil' Kim only has to be correct ONCE.

"China has much more to worry about than we do."

As North Korea's supplier of oil and water, you would think that they would do more ... like cutting off the water and oil until the North Koreans captitulate.

"Get a grip, Denise, put emotion and fear and paranoia aside for a minute and look at the facts."

Take your head out of the stand. I am paranoid, then why is the WH indicating that it may put North Korea back on the Terror List AND seek approval of even more draconian sanctions in the UN.

Take off the tinfoil hat and use a little R.A.N.D. thinking.


joel the loon
"Date: Jun 7, 2009 - 12:50 PM EST
Public Site
"He is too timid to even give his name LOL. Typical LMAO watched too many rambo movies LOL"


Of course I don't give out my last name on a PUBLIC site that is monitored by enemies foreign and domestic. Frankly, you are a fool for having done so..."

No you are timid and frightened for not doing so. You make fantastical claims with zero proof and a lot of indicators that you are lying.

"...What is with all the "LOL, LMAO" inanities? You were an OFFICER, ACT LIKE ONE!"

I still AM an officer all be it retired. the LOL, LMAO are meant to be a constant reminder that I am laughing at you

New In Town

HA! Congressman Adam Smith (D) just said EXACTLY what I wrote about North Korea and the very real threat to us should it export its nuclear weapons or technology, especially to Iran.

Is he paranoid, too?

St. Denise
That 12 Iman stuff is sort of fun conspiracy stuff but doesn't hold up to any standard of what some call truth.

Taft to AtlMac
Crashing the conversation.

I hate Muslims for the same reason M.L.King said I should judge all people---"the content of their character" in this case as an aggregate culture.

The Diaperdomes are a Dark Age cultural retardation, they oppress their women, many clans abuse young boys sexually–the Afghans are really into this, make up folk songs about it: “there’s a boy in the next valley with a bottom like a peach.” They are Tyrannical, oppressive, backward, Jew and Christain Hating, and bent on Global Islamic Hegemony. They are Racist, Bigoted, Sexist, and inherently violent, threatening even their own “moderates” like the Sudanese guy who’s playing dance music in the Big Apple. These guys are Ax Murdering Amishment bent on getting nukes. They are FLDS Fundies who feel the same way about women and kids, but who get away with the stuff Warren Jeffs is in JAIL for because they ain’t white and the ain’t “Christian” and it takes place under the burka and behind the casbah. They believe and practice the same kind of stuff in a Sandnazi context that got Koresh and the Branch Davidians women and kids BURNED alive.
Imagine a West Va “Deliverance” grade Snake Handler claiming “Jesus” inspired him to slaughter his neighbors with Anthrax.
Would you tolerate that for a SECOND?
They why DON’T you hate the POS who are ORDERS of MAGNITUDE MORE BACKWARD, Tyrannical, and MURDEROUS?

Yeah, we religiously tolerant here in the US. Tell that to the Branch Davidians and the FLDSers, whose MAIN sin is being White “Christian” and Male.

The rest of us will be safe and free only when the Koran is read only in Hell.

Your denial to recognize Murderous Intolerance on their part does not obligate suicide on my part.

Mick

Taft
"St. Denise
That 12 Iman stuff is sort of fun conspiracy stuff but doesn't hold up to any standard of what some call truth."


Taft, I agree that the whole 12th Imam story is nutty, but the nuts in Iran believe it. It matters less what we believe and more what they do. That's the entire point.

Unlike the nutjobs in Iran, I don't believe that massive death and destruction will hasten the return of a 6 year-old boy, who disappeared 1100 years ago.

Kenneth
Your post was a useful break from the flame war. The basic division of the Qu'ran, however, is the _sura_ (or _surah_). _Sutra_ is a term from classical Indian literature meaning a collection of aphorisms, e.g., the _Kama Sutra_.

"Aside from the fact that Muslims consider Obama a Muslim (which he probably is), they don't give a rat's butt about what he said in Cairo."

Some Muslims, for example, Muammar Gaddafi, evidently consider Obama a Muslim. Others consider him an apostate, which is a worse thing to be than an infidel. Still others are too busy to consider him at all. Obama's religious affiliation seems to vary. During the campaign, he was conspicuously Christian. This week he seems mostly Muslim. Next week he may convert to Judaism. Falun Gong is probably not on his list, though -- it might offend Chinese investors.

Liberal Compulsion to Appease Evil 1

In a Saturday article on the Canda Free Press website, some of the following is excerpted:

“Obama’s Cairo speech: Genuflecting before evil
By David Podvin Saturday, June 6, 2009

"Barack Obama’s speech in Cairo exemplified the craven liberal compulsion to appease evil. While progressives accuse conservatives who oppose affirmative action of being racist, Obama lavished praise upon his Muslim audience that enslaves millions of Africans.

Even though, under Western pressure, slavery has been officially abolished in Muslim countries (which cannot permanently reject slavery, as it is recognized in Islam) the blacks of sub-Saharan Africa are, whenever they come into contact with Arab or even local Muslims, still being exploited, massacred (as the Biafrans) or sold into slavery (as in the Sudan). This is happening most notably in the Sudan, which a hundred years ago was still mainly black and overwhelmingly non-Muslim, but thanks to steady Jihad encroachments has been taken over by the dominant northern Arabs.”

It was not Muslims, but the British who suppressed the Arab slave trade in East Africa. That trade had supplied black slaves for many uses, but particularly sought were male children who were castrated on sight where they were seized. Those who survived the primitive operation (with of course no anesthetic) were then taken by slave coffle from the interior and marched either all the way up to the Muslim slave-markets of Egypt and North Africa from Tripolitania to Mauritania, or taken by dhow to the coast, often to Muscat, and from there to the slave-markets of Arabia, Riyadh and Damascus, Baghdad, Cairo, even as far as Constantinople and Smyrna. In “The Hideous Trade” Jan Hogedoorn has calculated that the mortality rate due to the castration and subsequent forced marches, ended with barely 10% of those initially taken actually managing to reach those slave markets alive.


Liberal Compulsion to Appease Evil 2

“America’s first black president uttered nary a word on behalf of Islam’s many black captives. Liberals once opposed slavery rather aggressively, but now ingratiate themselves to the slave masters.

Obama abandoned women in order to create a rosy picture of Islamic history and its present absolutely horrendous suppression and abuse of the female sex.”

UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (accessed Aug 12, 2007): "Female genital mutilation (FGM), or female circumcision as it is sometimes erroneously referred to, involves surgical removal of parts or all of the most sensitive female genital organs. ...

It is believed that, by mutilating the female's genital organs, her sexuality will be controlled; but above all it is to ensure a woman's virginity before marriage and chastity thereafter.

In fact, FGM imposes on women and the girl child a catalogue of health complications and untold psychological problems. The practice of FGM violates, among other international human rights laws, the right of the child to the 'enjoyment of the highest attainable standard of health', as laid down in article 24 (paras. 1 and 3) of the Convention on the Rights of the Child."
http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu6/2/fs23.htm#i

Pictures of Female Genital Mutilation (FGM), 2002
(These pictures are not suitable for children. They are extremely disturbing!!!)
http://www.middle-east-info.org/league/somalia/fgmpictures. htm

Female Genital Mutilation (FGM)
in Egypt, Sudan, Somalia, Djibouti, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Mauritania etc.
FGM is carried out with knives, scissors, scalpels, pieces of glass or razor blades
Anesthetic and antiseptics are not generally used.



Liberal Compulsion to Appease Evil 3

Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Khomeini's Religious Teachings on Marriage, Divorce and Relationships (Parvin Darabi, USA-based Dr. Homa Darabi Foundation website, Jun 10, 2006:

"A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed.

A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual act such as foreplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed.

A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not committed a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged.

If the girl, however, is permanently damaged, the man must provide for her all her life. But this girl will not count as one of the man's four permanent wives. He also is not permitted to marry the girl's sister."

"Amnesty International is gravely concerned at reports that 14 girls have lost their lives and dozens of others were injured following a fire at their school in Mecca on 11 March 2002 after the religious police (Mutawa'een) prevented them from escaping from the fire because they were not wearing headscarves and their male relatives were not there to receive them. The religious police are also reported to have prevented rescuers from entering the school because they were males and therefore not permitted to mix with females." - Mar 15, 2002 http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/2002/saudiarabia03152002.ht ml

Liberal Compulsion to Appease Evil 4

Obama, while attempting to force (or ram) through health care legislation in this country to require U.S. taxpayers (already bankrupt by his insane borrowing, spending, and currency printing) to provide free health care to Mexican citizens who illegally occupy our cities, he ignores how Islam treats the children (citizens!) of their own Islamic countries.

Children of the Jihad. Palestinian kids raised for war. Taught to hate, kill Jews through 'Sesame Street'-type TV show (Jon E. Dougherty and David Kupelian, Nov 3, 2000):

"Palestinian children are taught to hate Jews, to glorify "jihad" (holy war), violence, death and child martyrdom almost from birth, as an essential part of their culture and destiny."

Ahmadinejad's Demons (Matthias Küntzel, The New Republic, Apr 24, 2006): During the Iran-Iraq War, the Ayatollah Khomeini imported 500,000 small plastic keys from Taiwan. ... To compensate for their disadvantage, Khomeini sent Iranian children, some as young as twelve years old, to the front lines.

There, they marched in formation across minefields toward the enemy, clearing a path with their bodies. Before every mission, one of the Taiwanese keys would be hung around each child’s neck. It was supposed to open the gates to paradise for them.

At one point, however, the earthly gore became a matter of concern. “In the past,” wrote the semi-official Iranian daily Ettelaat as the war raged on, “we had child-volunteers: 14-, 15-, and 16-year-olds.

Liberal Compulsion to Appease Evil 5

They went into the minefields. Their eyes saw nothing. Their ears heard nothing. And then, a few moments later, one saw clouds of dust. When the dust had settled again, there was nothing more to be seen of them. Somewhere, widely scattered in the landscape, there lay scraps of burnt flesh and pieces of bone.” Such scenes would henceforth be avoided, Ettelaat assured its readers. “Before entering the minefields, the children [now] wrap themselves in blankets and they roll on the ground, so that their body parts stay together after the explosion of the mines and one can carry them to the graves.”

Obama also abandoned gays to the predations of Muslim zealots.

Two gay teenagers were publicly executed in Iran on 19 July 2005 for the 'crime' of homosexuality

The youths were hanged in Edalat (Justice) Square in the city of
Mashhad, in north east Iran. They were sentenced to death by Court No.19.

Iran enforces Islamic Sharia law, which dictates the death penalty for gay sex.

One youth was aged 18 and the other was a minor under the age of 18. They were only identified by their initials, M.A. and A.M.

They admitted to having gay sex (probably under torture) but claimed in their defense that most young boys had sex with each other and that they were not aware that homosexuality was punishable by death.

Prior to their execution, the teenagers were held in prison for 14 months and severely beaten with 228 lashes.

Their length of detention suggests that they committed the so-called offences more than a year earlier, when they were possibly around the age of 16.

Ruhollah Rezazadeh, the lawyer of the youngest boy (under 18), had appealed that he was too young to be executed and that the court should take into account his tender age (believed to be 16 or 17). But the Supreme Court in Tehran ordered him to be hanged.

Under the Iranian penal code, girls as young as nine and boys as young as 15 can be hanged

Hal Donahue: LMAO?
LMAO, huh? Well Hal, better pull your head out first. Leaving it in the dark, deep hole it currently occupies might not be too healthy. BTW: Your concern about the oppressed minority is touching. It's so liberal.

You can go back to Hufpo now. Thanks for playing.

OncealwaysaMarine
"Date: Jun 7, 2009 - 1:47 PM EST.."

Have you read the old testament???

Liberal Compulsion to Appease Evil 6

In a first for France, in February of 1997, asylum was granted to a gay man from Algeria on the grounds of sexual orientation. The man had founded Aids and human rights organizations in Algeria and was thus frequently harassed by police, "chased and beaten by Muslims", according to the report.

The World Organization Against Torture, in June of 1997, targeted Pakistan over reports that two gay men caught having sex in a public toilet were whipped.

In August, the underground European newspaper Al Djamaa filed a report stating that Algeria's terrorist "Armed Islamic Group" was killing homosexuals, as well as those who do not pray, people who drink alcohol or take drugs, and "immodest or debauched women".

One of the group's leaders, Abou el Moundhir, said the "fighters only kill those who deserve to die." Apparently more than 700 had been killed during the previous three months.

The Iranian gay and lesbian human rights group Homan says that since 1980, more than 4,000 Homosexual men and women have been executed by the Iranian government, and provided the following translation of Iranian law concerning homosexuality:

"The Islamic Penal Law Against Homosexuals in Iran, approved by the Islamic Consultancy Parliament 08.05.1370 (30.07.1991) and finally ratified by the High Expediency Council on 07.09.1370 (28.11.1991) calls for the following:

Article 110: Punishment for sodomy is killing; the Sharia judge decides on how to carry out the killing. Article 129: Punishment for lesbianism is one hundred (100) lashes for each party.

Article 131: If the act of lesbianism is repeated three times and punishment is enforced each time, the death sentence will be issued the fourth time."

Liberal Compulsion to Appease Evil 7

Barack Hussein Obama supporters are predominantly secular liberals.

Which means, disdain for American Christians and America's Jewish allies.

People whose hate runs so deep that they will disregard their every value when it is necessary to support America's antagonists.

The Quran (and the Hamas charter) says not only that all Jews must die, but homosexuals should and will be put to death as well for the “crime.” But, America’s homosexuals are obligated to support Obama as he kowtows to America's enemies, so they ignore that Islam is a unrelenting declaration of genocide against them.

Liberal “progressives” and Obama sycophants are strong feminists.

That doesn't stop them from ignoring female subjugation and slavery under Islam.

They're pro-gay, but they don't let that stop them from ignoring the execution of gays in the Middle East.

Everything they stand for, is something that would get them decapitated by the people they support.

Which, I suppose, would only really be a problem if they any kind of intellectual integrity. But, they don't. So they'll rant and rail in America about women are oppressed and gays are oppressed. Then the next day they are in Palestine applauding while watching someone be crucified and executed just for being gay.

Barack Obama had 5772 words for the Middle East. Not one of them about Gays

Although liberals have vilified Miss California USA for opposing gay marriage, Obama did not issue even the mildest rebuke to the Muslim world for perpetrating gay murder. When Mormons support traditional matrimony, progressives publicly explode in anger. When Palestinians commit homophobic homicide, the Left is unable to generate any discernible outrage.

Denise
You only need one fact to add to your recitation of facts for Taft, that being that the Shiites believe that the Mahdi, the 12th Imam, is already here and will come out of hiding when the right events happen. That event will be cataclysmic; and the Shiites believe that they can intentionally cause the event and the Mahdi will come forth. Hence, there is more concern about Iran having nuclear weapons.

Taft
Be in denial all you want, the point is THEY believe it. Observers from INSIDE Islam, with lifelong experience inside the culture know they believe it. What they heck YOU choose to believe don't signify.

mick

OncealwaysaMarine
It is always an intellectual, educational, and personal gift to read your posts. I hope you are doing well and your studies are moving on along.

As always, I thank you for the service you have given our country and for the service your posts give to us here at TH.

OncealwaysaMarine
Did you forget that we are a nation who endorsed and used torture?

Shallow Hal
I have read the Old Testament and the New Testament. I call it the Bible.

I have, also, read the Qu'ran, or, as Obama calls it when speaking to Muslims, the 'holy Qu'ran'. If it is 'holy', you must excuse me as I have to take my 'holy' Bouvier des Flanders outside to take a 'holy' ****.

Hey Haldedoodoo!
You seen “Lucy Ramirez” anywhere?
How bout those nude pics of the “Master and Commander” Mac the Knife Ranger Robber 69 aka PerBert was lookin for?
You sounding more like Ranger Robber each time. How related are you?

Mick

Did we hear the same speech?
I don't think we heard the same speech, Kathleen. As some of these other comments have correctly pointed out, believing that progress can be made with the Muslim world by "soft diplomacy" is nothing but blind denial. It hasn't worked, it won't work, and praising Obama for being Clinton-2 is just silly.

The Muslims need to be confronted, not coddled, and we need leaders who will do the difficult but necessary work to make this happen and keep us safe at the same time.

Writers who praise terrorist-coddlers don't help the situation.

Shallow Hal
We have 'endorsed and used torture' as opposed to what country that has not? What countries now and historically have had the clean hands on that issue?

Are you back to waterboarding as an argument? Is your argument arsenal that low so soon in the day?

Liberal Compulsion to Appease Evil 8

American liberals are without a doubt the most despicable, hypocritical, self-indulgent, and amoral and ethically dishonest people on the face of the earth.

Ignoring the ignominious, racist, homophobic, child-abusive, torture-filled and repressive rule of Islam in which no human right goes unpunished or withheld from the people unfortunate enough to live under it’s tyranny, Barack Hussein Obama “The Idiot Appeaser President of “Goddamn America,” saw fit to open his inane address to Muslims by stating:

“I am honored to be in the timeless city of Cairo, and to be hosted by two remarkable institutions. For over a thousand years, al-Azhar has stood as a beacon of Islamic learning, and for over a century, Cairo University has been a source of Egypt's advancement.

Together, you represent the harmony between tradition and progress. I am grateful for your hospitality, and the hospitality of the people of Egypt. I am also proud to carry with me the goodwill of the American people, and a greeting of peace from Muslim communities in my country: assalaamu alaykum.

We meet at a time of tension between the United States and Muslims around the world – tension rooted in historical forces that go beyond any current policy debate.

The relationship between Islam and the west includes centuries of co-existence and co-operation, but also conflict and religious wars.

More recently, tension has been fed by colonialism that denied rights and opportunities to many Muslims, and a cold war in which Muslim-majority countries were too often treated as proxies without regard to their own aspirations.

Moreover, the sweeping change brought by modernity and globalization led many Muslims to view the west as hostile to the traditions of Islam.”

Folks
You are all making the critical mistake of identifying the enemy as Islam. That totally enables the criminal terrorists lets them go free

Paleocon,
My issue with Joel the Poseur is that his obviously false statements of Special Forces demeans the service of folks who have actually served in the military, myself include. Gunny, Once and Always a Marine, Hal, CVN65, etc. can substantiate their service time, albeit anonymously, without blinking an eye. Only Joel has had difficulty in doing so.

Go figure.

Liberal Compulsion to Appease Evil 9

This bears repeating:

“More recently, tension has been fed by colonialism that denied rights and opportunities to many Muslims, and a cold war in which Muslim-majority countries were too often treated as proxies without regard to their own aspirations.”

Obama insists on giving the now-official left-wing diagnosis of anything that is regrettable or dismaying or horrible or deadly in the developing world as part of the legacy of "colonialism."

At some level, the media parrots who have picked up such a "post-colonial" bromide must know its untruth as well as they know that of their own oft-reiterated "objectivity."

Otherwise, they wouldn't have to keep repeating it.

Otherwise they wouldn't have insist that war-lordism and the absence of civic institutions and order was a product of European "imperialists" and "colonialists" instead of being, as the wicked colonialists themselves had no difficulty in seeing, the conditions prevailing both before and after the European presence -- and the conditions that the European presence was intended, in part, to suppress.

America has never gone into any country in the Middle East with the purpose of colonization.

One example cannot be given.

If the reference is being made to Iraq, the liberation of 10 million people from a brutal and genocidal dictator to not be considered colonization, but in fact a blessing from the West. It came at a steep price, but when has freedom not come at a steep price?

Instead of mentioning this fact to the crowd in Cairo, Obama chose to label this a “war of choice” and downplay and demonize the United States for making that choice. The lives of the Sunnis and Shia in Iraq are forever changed for the good by this “war of choice”.


Hi, Summers
"You only need one fact to add to your recitation of facts for Taft, that being that the Shiites believe that the Mahdi, the 12th Imam, is already here and will come out of hiding when the right events happen. That event will be cataclysmic; and the Shiites believe that they can intentionally cause the event and the Mahdi will come forth. Hence, there is more concern about Iran having nuclear weapons."

You are right. I know he is, supposedly, in hiding. One story tells about how he disappeared down a well, while another claims that he wandered away from his father's funeral. It is just so mind-boggling that these people refuse to believe the truth. Even, when the Democrats say what exactly what we believe, the terms paranoia and conspiracy get thrown at us.

Some are just so completely dense that they have never met a fact that they believed. This reminds me of Mario, yesterday. He, who used an article from SF, pontificated about oil and gas drilling. Further, he claimed that oil and gas wells would exist in LA, both onshore and offshore, when pigs fly! If "pigs flying" equates to hydrocarbon production, then we both know that pigs fly every day in LA.

I hope that you are well.