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Friday, April 18, 2008
Kathleen Parker :: Townhall.com Columnist
In Praise of Criticism
by Kathleen Parker
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Pope Benedict XVI's visit to the U.S. has afforded the American media and others an opportunity to remind us that the Catholic Church is "out of step" with modern times.

That is both a criticism and compliment -- praising with faint damnation.

What exactly about modern times would compel a pope to change his institutional mind about the fundamental belief in, say, the dignity of all human life?

The central life issue is, of course, abortion, about which even a majority of American Catholics (58 percent) differ from the church's view. Other related concerns include embryo-destructive research, cloning and assisted suicide.

The Catholic Church persists in opposing all of the above, insisting that life begins at conception, all life has value, no human being has the right to terminate the life of another. Case closed.

And, really, who would insist otherwise? In the abstract, few. In practice, millions.

Though we know that life biologically begins at conception, we've decided to disagree about when that life becomes "human."

And, though we sort of believe that all life has value, our actions suggest that we think imperfect life has less value. Increasingly, Down syndrome babies today are terminated, for instance.

If we quantify human life only according to productivity, then imperfect life inarguably is less valuable. But is it less human? Nazi eugenicists thought so. But measuring productivity requires a detached calculation -- and, inevitably, bureaucratic enforcement -- that defines inhuman.

This is not, by the way, a judgment of people who have made difficult choices. None of us really knows which path we would take until presented with the intersection that forces such contemplations.

Finally, all agree that no human being has the right to take another's life except in self-defense. Since most abortions are for reasons other than the mother's health, our current practices are possible only if the unborn are considered "not human."

Keeping that definition alive is the trick. Human or not? Who decides?

A majority of Americans are comfortable with the view that a woman, her doctor and her God should decide. But what if there were irrefutable proof that a fetus at conception is fully human? Would we then feel that government has a role in protecting unborn life?

These questions are especially tricky for Catholics. For those who side with the pope, the answer is clear: If life is a gift of the creator, then only the creator can be the ultimate arbiter of conception (though the church does allow for limiting and spacing babies on the basis of informed conscience, just not through artificial means).

To believe in God's autonomy over human life, however, is a hard sell. How does one justify creating more mouths when so many can't be fed? My own Catholic grandmother, the youngest of 11 children, was handed over to the nuns at age 4 when her family could no longer feed her.

And yet, the nuns did feed my grandmother. And she did manage to grow up and marry and create my father, who then created me. So.

Pro-choice arguments are, nonetheless, compelling. Privacy from government intrusion, yes. Women's autonomy over their own bodies, yes. All children wanted, well, of course. But none of those testaments to logic alters the essential truth that life begins when egg and sperm commingle and that every one of us was at that far end of the life continuum before we were able to dabble in ethics and trifle with electronic keyboards.

The question is how we reconcile what is true with what is merely convenient? That we might choose a path other than the pope's is the prerogative of a free people -- and no one recognizes that freedom with greater consistency than this pope. No one has to be Catholic.

But to ask Benedict to change the church's rules to suit modern appetites and lifestyles is to ask that he forsake the sanctity of human life for the benefit of earthly delights. Those are not his concerns.

Even for non-Catholics like me, there's something comforting about a stubborn pope in a world of moral relativity. Like a strong father, he ignores his children's pleas for leniency knowing that his rules, though tough, serve a higher purpose.

If Benedict were to relent and compromise the value of human life, what would be left to debate? Perhaps only one's own time to die. And then ...

Who decides?

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Great column!
I often wonder if we don't have respect for the weakest among us how do we respect anything living at all?

Ms. Parker
You seem to be unsure of your beliefs on abortion and want to have it both ways. I certainly do not agree with your contention that the majority of Americans believe this is simply a situation between the woman, God and her physician. You seem to have difficulty in knowing right from wrong. Killing an innocent human being is murder, nothing more, nothing less. I am not used to reading columnists on Townhall having difficulty in their beliefs about abortion.

Once upon a time
the final answer to the whine *But WHYYYYYY* was BECAUSE I SAID SO. Then, whether you liked it or not, you dropped the subject and went grumbling away.

Today where leather-lunged Generation Whine marches in circles shouting WHADDAWEWANT! [your demand here] WHENDAWEWANNIT! NOWWWWWWWW! it is refreshing to have a Pope whose No means No. In time, it will sink in that instead of kicking and screaming, perhaps the time has come for listening.

When I became a Catholic I was aware of what positions that meant I must accept. Unlike the brainwashed, robotic women of the FLDS, I have choices of which I am both aware and empowered, and I made mine with open eyes: Pope Benedict XVI speaks for me because I am a Catholic.

When you board a train in the knowledge that it is going to New York, do you spend the trip shouting *WHADDAWEEWANT! TO GO TO CHICAGO! WENDAWEWANNIT? NOWWWWW! I got on the train intending to go to New York. Catholics who want to go somewhere else need to either accept the destination or get off the train.

Inconvenient lives

Every right we possess is contingent upon being alive to exercise that right. When we accept that human life can be qualified according to its convenience, we also inherently accept that human rights and freedoms can be qualified according to convenience. Pope Benedict gets this. Most don't.

I am also comforted
I am not a Catholic, but I am very grateful for the steadfastness of the Catholic Church in refusing to compromise its values and beliefs.

As one among the Protestant group, I have been deeply ashamed of a lot of churches today that function more like an extension of our ever more socialist government than like a leader of spiritual journeys.

Many main line protestant churches try so hard to be accepted as progressive and “with it” that they sell the souls of the very ones they are charged to save.

God bless the Pop, and God bless the Catholic Church.

Correction
God bless the Pope not the Pop. Although I'm sure God knows to whom I was referring.

I tip my hat to Kathleen.
Well written piece.

Kathleen, the majority of Amercins
oppose convenience abortions - which are 99% of abortions. The business about the "health" of the woman is a crock because NARAL and Planned Parenthood could not care less about women's "health" (never defined). Dead babies are big business for them. Kathleen, spit or get off the pot! Abortion is wrong. Period.

My 2 cents
Audi R 10 - You go girl! Great Post!! Glad to have you on the train.

tip - read ANYTHING by George Weigel.

M Sederoff - thanks for the kind words

There is still much to be done in re the pedophile scandal. The Pope's meeting with some victims will help, but there is still too much covering up going on.

That Anachronistic Pope
A tour de force.

The Pope is in step with humanity...And God.

It is the "apparent" (indolent) majority that is out of step with the morality of nature...and Nature's God.

Mission in reverse
"...the Catholic Church is 'out of step' with modern times."

The mission of the Catholic Church is to teach the truth. Christ commissioned his disciples to go forth and preach the gospel to all nations, “teaching as I have taught you." He did not tell them go out into the world, find out what’s happening, and bring it back to his church, or anything like it. That would be the mission in reverse.

Mission in reverse
"...the Catholic Church is 'out of step' with modern times."

The mission of the Catholic Church is to teach the truth. Christ commissioned his disciples to go forth and preach the gospel to all nations, “teaching as I have taught you." He did not tell them go out into the world, find out what’s happening, and bring it back to his church, or anything like it. That would be the mission in reverse.

In Praise of Criticism
I am not a Catholic, so am not a fan of the Pope. I am, however, a Christian by choice and a student of the Bible. I read there that God has presented a blue print for life, on part of which is sex only as part of marriage.

The decision to abort or not to abort then is not in God's plan. Such a hard choice comes when one lives outside of God' blueprint for successful and joyous living. So, the real problem here is living outside of how God recommends we live.

Incidentally, as a Christian I realize that I am not my own but have been purchased by the blood sacrifice of my Lord. So, this body does not belong to me. Women are no exception, so if she is a Christian then her body likewise is not her own but has been bought with a price.

Yes, I also see from the scriptures that life begins at the time of conception. Did not the Virgin Mary conceive by the Holy Spirit and alas --- surpise, surprise, a Child was born.

Shallow article.
Katie seems to have surrendered to, ‘if one says something over and over again, by shear weight alone,one will believe it’.
There is so much to argue against this article I would not know where to begin. It seems confused? The arguments appear thin, and thoughtless. It is either trying to be tongue in cheek, or to justifying personal promiscuity. Which Katie does not have to, everybody is doing it.

In Praise...
Right on with your comments. If the Church doesn't preach the "ideal," what's to strive towards. If anyone disagrees, then have the same kind of courage as the Church shows. Simply disagree and do what you have to do.

In Praise...
Right on with your comments. If the Church doesn't preach the "ideal," what's to strive towards. If anyone disagrees, then have the same kind of courage as the Church shows. Simply disagree and do what you have to do.

Thought provoking article
deeply I am grateful for the Pope. We all have need of that steadfast leader whose focus is to lead us toward God.

Our world has fallen into such a muck of filth, selfishness and self gratification that some have the audacity to expect God to conform to legitimize base desires. They think they are smarter than God Himself. The ultimate sin of pride.

I will listen and learn from that holy man in white. May God bless and sustain him.

Thought provoking article
deeply I am grateful for the Pope. We all have need of that steadfast leader whose focus is to lead us toward God.

Our world has fallen into such a muck of filth, selfishness and self gratification that some have the audacity to expect God to conform to legitimize base desires. They think they are smarter than God Himself. The ultimate sin of pride.

I will listen and learn from that holy man in white. May God bless and sustain him.

Sandra
Provocative article to help some understand that abortion is not an option by a devout Catholic, and it also represents the theology of my evangelical church as well. When we compromise the teachings of God as found in holy scripture, then we are subject to committing sin as the evil one desires. One act of abortion is not an unforgivable sin but in our society today the growing lack of respect for human life will bring about judgement and punishment from a righteous God.

dukas, you don't get it!!
If you accept the Bible as God's word and not man's there is absolutely no question about what it teaches in the realm of morality. The Bible is very specific about the sanctity of life, that it is a gift from the Creator and that only He has the right to take it away. The precepts taught by the Bible are not changeable. Morality should not/is not a "flavor of the day" choice. If you don't accept the Bible as God's word and view it as a work of "fiction" then there can be no discussion because the beliefs it espouses are merely fantasies of some Jewish guys that died thousands of years ago. I choose the former. The Bibles precepts have engedered the most humane civilization in history. There have been some who have not correctly followed the teachings, it hasn'f been perfect but on the whole its been a good ride.

I love the pope
I am not Catholic, but love this man for his integrity and honesty. He does not white wash the truth. Of course we all want our own way. We don't want to feel guilty or responsible for what we do. The pope is a kind man and points out that we are all responsible for our actions and without guilt anything is possible.

Parker's ambivalence....
is exactly why the Roman catholic church needs a strong "pope"....and that coming from someone who isn't even catholic and can't stand the papal office.

If catholics like Parker won't listen to scripture on what it says about life, maybe they'll listen to their vicar.

The right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness needs to be extended to life at conception.

I really doubt Parker has any children. I can't imagine anyone who values self-sacrifice of bearing and raising a child, over selfishness of destroying a child based on some perceived inconvenience....could be ambivalent on this matter. (Parker has in the past argued for abortion rights before a specific number of weeks)

I have witnessed ultrasounds at 20 weeks...the little hands, spine, face...., and have witnessed the birth of my children and note they have a "body", too....they "feel pain" too.....they are "human" too, and have witnessed how these "fetuses" become their own person with hopes, dreams, and needs of their own. My wife, having miscarried one at 6 weeks was terribly devastated...it was never anything "non-human" or "cancerous" to her. Fetus's are another name for a human at a different stage of development...not unlike infant, toddler, child, adolescent.

Parker is comforted by the fact her Pope doesn't change in her surrounding seas of relativity. Good and fine....there should be no ambivalence with her on this issue.

Roe vs. Wade
Even if “Roe vs. Wade” is overturned for being “bad law,” the issue will be transferred to the individual state legislatures as per the US Constitution’s original framers, i.e., 13 different little experiments. Hence, if you’re rabidly Pro-life, you can live in the Dakotas. If you want to employ abortion out of convenience (IAW 96% of the 1.4M annual abortions performed per year) , and feel morally superior for doing so, go live in the People’s Republic of Massachusetts, i.e., a woman-child sleeps around, gets pregnant despite having access to dozen forms of birth control & uses abortion as retro-birth control. They can then wear a Ms. Magazine "I had an abortion" tee-shirt as though killing their child for convenience was some sort of sick feminist right of passage. You know the type.

Additionally, I am continuously appalled by the cognitive dissonance associated w/ the continued sanctification of “motherhood” & its subsidization via the welfare-industrial complex, earner-income tax credit, child support, alimony, child-custody monopoly, etc., when a certain gender aborts 30% of all children conceived (1.4M) annually, 96%-99% of which were aborted for personal convenience. Please try and convince me that females are inherently morally superior (e.g., the “nurturing” gender) to their male counterparts.


''Who decides?''
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Ms. Parker closes with the key question.

Like it or not, the advocates of the "pro-life" position deny the existence of an absolute, inalienable right to a woman's property in her own body.

This is why abortion is relied upon by the enemies of liberty as their most valuable point of attack on the freedom movement.

It's what they count on to keep us divided.

The emotional load implicit in the "baby-killer" accusations of the pro-life crowd feeds their sense of self-righteousness while doing nothing whatsoever to appeal anyone who sees clearly the invidiousness of the anti-abortion movement's abject surrender to the power of intrusive normative government.

If the pro-life advocates were to restrict their efforts to persuasion - reasonable or emotional - together with genuine material support for the women who elect to carry their pregnancies to term, they would be looked upon as genuinely Christian in their intentions and their methods.

But the loudest, most prominent among them refuse to do so.

They seek criminalization of abortion, meaning the government's intervention - with violent force - in the lives of pregnant women so as to deny these women the ownership of their own bodies.

And these anti-abortion activists see no problem with this open violence, this aggrandizement of government power, this police-state solution to a problem that is better addressed by moral suasion than by the equivalent of treating every reproductive-aged American woman as an incipient felon.

In an America where every child can find parents who are willing and able to adopt and cherish, there should be no active interruptions of pregnancy except for reasons of verifiable risks of morbidity or mortality, but that "should" *CANNOT* be graven in law as a "must" under threat of government violence.

Government at no level can be accorded such power.

Not now. Not ever.

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An invitation
M. Sederoff - I invite you to check out the Catholic faith. I think you will be happy you did.

Pope Benedict
The pope is not "stubborn" Kathleen. The pope is holy. -- http://cathlete.net

Pope Benedict XVI, Thanks for your Visit
I am so happy that Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI are traveling and mingling with their flock, and challenging the Secularist's status quo being promoted by the liberal media and the "new world order". Miss Parker needs to go back to her roots in the Catholic Faith as she has been influenced by the liberal media for too long, and seems confused about absolute Truths that cannot be compromised. The church established by Jesus has the power to loose and bind, and it behooves all Christians, and all people in general, to listen when the church speaks. Their salvation is at stake, and so it is a serious matter indeed! God Bless the Pope, and God Bless America!

Pope Benedict vrs Joy Behar
Dear Ms. Parker:

Your points are well made, bravo! It is unfortunate that some of the other posters do not seem to understand your point. I do not see you waffling, as some have, in point of fact, quite the opposite.

I am not Catholic, and yet, I respect the Pope as a man who has strong faith, and is unwavering in his beliefs. As you have so clearly stated, "No one has to be Catholic". If you are not in agreement with the principles of the Catholic faith, then (A) "vote with your feet" and leave, and (B) Don't call yourself a Catholic.

When few have the courage to stand for what they believe in, and refuse to change to accomodate the "less-then-principled" in our society, I am glad that the Pope stands firm with a "Take it or leave it" attitude.

Tell Joy Behar (born a Catholic) that the church does not change to suit society, it is the other way around....

where are the blacks?
WHERE ARE THE BLACKS ON THE SUBJECT OF ABORTION, THE LIB/LEFTY/FEMINIST SACRAMENT THAT IS SLAUGHTERING BLACK BABIES???? WHERE?

WHEN IS THE WORK OF HARRY JACKSON AND STAR PARKER GOING TO MAKE BLACKS SEE THAT THEY ARE BEING LIED TO BY THE LIBS/LEFTIES/FEMINISTS???? WHEN?

Moral equivocation
The controversy involving abortion is ultimately about whether the practice should remain legal in our country. The answer to this question depends upon whether there is sufficient justification to permit doing that which abortion does in ending the existence of a preborn. Those who oppose abortion rights do so because they believe abortion destroys a human life. Those who support abortion rights do so because: it’s a woman’s body, abortion reduces the number of unwanted children in the world, women should not be punished with a baby for making a mistake, freedom of choice should be allowed so individual women can do whatever they think is best, a fetus is just a clump of cells akin to a tumor, and on and on. You have to wonder why so many different defenses are given for abortion rights when there is actually only one that is morally decisive.

It is not enough to take a pass on the question of whether a preborn is a human life. Those who aren’t sure (and who support abortion rights nevertheless) are in effect saying it doesn’t matter. A nation that holds there is an inalienable right to life and that is complacent about a practice that gives the lie to that assertion is one that has totally lost its way. The only way to restore the America of our founding is to recommit ourselves anew to the historic values that our founders declared to be the bedrock of our nation.

Why are the readers making this mistake?
Okay.

1. Parker is NOT Catholic. (Just like she says "Even for a non-Catholic like me..." IN the article.

2. Why do so many readers think Parker is being ambivalent on any issue here? Her intent is CLEARLY to praise the Pope for his unflinching support for the sanctity of all life. Each of her unanswered, rhetorical questions have clear answers depicting exactly how she feels on the topic.

3. Also, SJ DOC, you write "If the pro-life advocates were to restrict their efforts to persuasion ... they would be looked upon as genuinely Christian in their intentions and their methods." BUT THAT IS THE VERY POINT! "They would be looked upon as genuine Christians" By who? The rest of the world? Who says the rest of the world knows ANYTHING about what it means to be a Christian? Benedict (and real Catholics) is NOT CONCERNED about how he is "looked upon" by the rest of the world. His concern is how he fulfills and teaches THE TRUTH (albeit in his opinion). But part of his "Truth" is the belief that others are wrong. So why would he care if others think him wrong?

Abomination of abortion
I am a non-denominational Christian systematic and biblical theologian, and as such, I am morally obligated to strenuously oppose Catholicism as a powerful false religion of the first order. From my perspective, Catholicism’s theology is almost totally false and obviously so to anyone with eyes to see. The Pope is thus leading multitudes of spiritually blind followers into Satan’s pit of hell.

However, that having been said, I find myself standing strong with the Pope where several non-theological issues are concerned. Supremely, I stand with him in opposing abortion as a monstrous evil. We both see it as mass murder most vile, innocent children slaughtered in the womb nearly always for the selfish convenience of their wicked mothers, rarely as a medical necessity to save the mother’s life. Cloning and assisted suicide are important issues, but their impact on our society is miniscule compared to the unthinkable abomination of horribly murdering 40 million totally innocent pre-born little human beings. Hitler, Stalin, Mousey Tongue and Pol Pot were choir boys compared to the people who run the abortion mills in this country. If God does not bring even more severe judgment on our nation than he already has for what we have been doing since Roe vs Wade, then I’m afraid he will have to humbly apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah for what he did to them.

Ms. Fields, you are wrong in saying that the baby is part of the mother’s body. The baby is a guest within the mother’s body, not a literal part of it. Were that not true, then the mother during gestation would have twenty toes and fingers, four eyes, ears, arms, and legs, two hearts, noses, mouths, stomachs and primary sex organs (of both genders when the baby is male). More than one baby in her womb only increases the absurdity of your position, Ms. Fields.

Stanselmdoc - Being ''looked upon''
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Says Stanselmdoc:

"BUT THAT IS THE VERY POINT! 'They would be looked upon as genuine Christians' By who? The rest of the world? Who says the rest of the world knows ANYTHING about what it means to be a Christian? Benedict (and real Catholics) is NOT CONCERNED about how he is 'looked upon' by the rest of the world. His concern is how he fulfills and teaches THE TRUTH (albeit in his opinion). But part of his 'Truth' is the belief that others are wrong. So why would he care if others think him wrong?"


Because if those "others think him [by which I mean the vociferous criminalizing American 'pro-life' advocate, not necessarily the Pope or any other specifically Roman Catholic individual] wrong," it leads to the consideration of said anti-abortion advocate as a violent aggressor.

Seeking to turn the police power of government turned to the service of his passion for that violence.

Violent aggressors evoke resistance, and this tends to be at best - from a purely practical perspective - counterproductive.

At worst, they provoke not only corruption of the government agents responsible for enforcement (remember Prohibition? the War on [Some] Drugs?) but also violent force in resistance and retaliation.


And then there's the matter of the 13th Amendment.

From the perspective of the anti-abortion political campaigner, the right of the "preborn" trumps the right of the pregnant woman.

The pregnant woman becomes a chattel slave, held in her incubatorial enslavement to her new owner - the fetus - by the government as the trustee thereof.

This is the legal status to which the anti-abortion interventionists seek to reduce American women, not only in their pregnancies but throughout their reproductive lives.

Is this not so?

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Correction...
Please substitute Parker for Fields.

Well-written article!
...and GREAT comments by AudiR10, M Sederoff, Sasparilla, and jeffjenn.

I must take issue, however, with ColinCody and the condescending, insulting statement that Catholics are spiritually blind and headed for Satan's pit of hell. You certainly have a right to voice your opinion, but keep in mind that there are MANY biblical "experts" and theologians who, after intense study and research of the Bible AND the dogmas of the Catholic Church, proudly call themselves Catholic.

Great column!
As AudiR in one of her always thoughtful posts wrote, there is a reason we call him the Holy *Father*. Anyone who has ever raised children knows that there are times when the answer to an out-of-control child must be "Because I said so."

Of course, a common error among non-Catholics is to assume that the Pope simply makes up the rules as he goes along. No, he does not. His job is to teach and reinforce God's laws.

Have there been bad Popes? Of course--and even the apostle Peter, the very first Pope, had his moments of human frailty. Perhaps Jesus entrusted him with the "keys" for that very reason--through his weakness Peter learned humility and integrity, essential characteristics of a leader.

As the saying goes, God writes straight with crooked lines.

On the whole, however, we Catholics--particularly in the last fifty years--have been blessed with some remarkable occupants of the See of Peter. Like the good fathers God intends for them to be, they *lead*. How many secular leaders know how to lead, these days? Too many govern by poll. Whatever the kiddies want, give it to them. This may earn leaders temporary popularity--like indulgent parents--but is it good for the kiddies ultimately? Absolutely not. Indulgence only creates permanent infantilism--and it could be argued that that is exactly what the Dim-ocrats wish to create as a permanent constituency. Sadly, too many Republicans have fallen for this technique as well.

God, as the Bible frequently reminds us, is no respecter of persons, and His commands are not suggestions, to be altered in accordance with human selfishness.

As others have posted so well, the Bible is full of respect for human life. I am sorely disappointed that the Senate rsolution passed only because pro-life members capitulated on this point.

SJ Doc writes....
"The pregnant woman becomes a chattel slave, held in her incubatorial enslavement to her new owner - the fetus - by the government as the trustee thereof."


Pretty much that is the state of the parents next 18 years of their child's life. Parents still aren't allowed the freedom to dispose of their children as they wish. Like it or not, especially in the early years before potty training....parents learn what you call "slavery" is.

oh, and SJ Doc....
If you think the incubatorial period is tough on the mother (enslavement)...the years later are much tougher.

Stanselmdoc writes
"1. Parker is NOT Catholic. (Just like she says "Even for a non-Catholic like me..."


I stand corrected.....reading it the first time, I read "For a Catholic like me....".

"2. Why do so many readers think Parker is being ambivalent on any issue here? Her intent is CLEARLY to praise the Pope for his unflinching support for the sanctity of all life. "

She is prolife to an extent (6 weeks).
Parker writes:
"I figure 42 days is enough time for a gal to figure out whether she's up for motherhood. It's not a perfect solution, but it's a sane remedy to appalling recklessness."

Her article:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/KathleenParker/2006/10/0 6/abortion_chic?page=full&comments=true

heresyarch - Not just with your own kids
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Comments heresyarch:

"If you think the incubatorial period is tough on the mother (enslavement)...the years later are much tougher."


Not my meaning at all (and you goddam well know it), but my wife and I not only went through it with our own kids but also with the first of our grandchildren (who is now concluding her junior year in high school) and we're going through it with our youngest crop (ages 3, 7, and 8) as our third kid and her husband became "return-to-the-nest" types four years ago when their adjustable rate mortgage (ARM) overwhelmed them.

That's my family. Always ahead of the curve.

At least the youngest has been out of diapers for nearly a year.

Now all I have to do is live until this time in 2023 and I'll get to see the last of the bunch through to her 18th birthday.

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BURIED IN LIES
Stanselmdoc pretty much covers it. Though, Kathleen secretly wants to be Catholic...well her grandmother was so she is. Catholic genes trump all others.

Anyway, we are so lost in lies. More often than not we lie to ourselves, to each other, to our children, friends, and lovers. Maybe we could replace homo sapien sapiens with homo liars lying (somebody can translate the liars into fancy lingo).

Who decides ? Obviously, the elite and powerful do the deciding.

Let's face it people. In the USA, we quit caring about human life a long time ago. We are so damn proud to be the only 'First World' country so enlightened to embrace capital punishment with passion. Of course, 'quality of life' is everything--so kill off anybody anytime you want.

Why bother yapping about abortion. We are tres enlightened on this one. We couldn't care less that infant mortality rates and so many other indicators of a healthy society are where they are.

It's hip to be cynical, ironic, hardened, 'realistic', and to 'transcend' all the unenlightened folks still clinging to religion and such.

We haven't the decency to anesthetize little ones before they get sliced and diced, sucked out, or however we do it these days. Everybody is pissed that somebody demonstrated that little ones feel pain...even little pin pricks. Since administration of an anesthetic to a 'fetus' would create too much 'rethinking', we simply lie to ourselves.

Sorry folks, something is 'way' wrong when we haven't the decency to anesthetize the little buggers before the slice and dice. Really, what is up with that ?

Life is no longer sacred. It would be foolish and dangerous to think your life really matters to the elite. I'd feel much better about the entire mess if we had the decency to just acknowledge what we are doing rather than all the damn lies.

Mother Nature never forgets.

LadyX
You said, "...there are MANY biblical "experts" and theologians who, after intense study and research of the Bible AND the dogmas of the Catholic Church, proudly call themselves Catholic."

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Dear Lady, there are MANY biblical "experts" and theologians who, after intense study and research of the Bible and the dogmas of evangelical theology, proudly call themselves evangelical protestants. Sadly, these people have bought into evangelical apostasy just as Catholics have bought into Catholic apostasy. They all think as they have been taught to think without thinking for themselves under the direct teaching ministry of the Holy Spirit. By their own perverse choice, they are all happily on their way to exactly where the devil wants them to go. Part of my job is to use every means available to awaken and warn these confused travelers on the road of life that they have taken a major wrong turn and point out the way to God's eternal home (Luke 9:23). To do less would be a violation of divine agape and my supreme obligation to redemptive truth as a biblical systematic theologian.

Vitae....
Vitae writes: "Sorry folks, something is 'way' wrong when we haven't the decency to anesthetize the little buggers before the slice and dice. Really, what is up with that ?"
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Thanks for your comment! That's a very important point.

This should be right up PETA's alley. Considering they view humans as animals, shouldn't we offer human animals the same compassion as a dog or cat?

We are very humane when putting our dogs down. We don't just suck their guts out with a Hemi-powered Wet-Vac, or throw them in our Craftsman Chipper.

So, why not put our animal children down with a little morphine before Dr. Obama hits the switch on the Dirt Devil?

The Church.....
The Church, ie., the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, is the ONE and ONLY TRUE Church that was begun and commissioned by the MASTER HIMSELF! You protesters or non-Catholics are not eating the Body and Blood that He gave to the faithful and consequently you are starving, spiritually, to death! And, you many, many catholics who are eating the MEAL, that Christ has prepared for His faithful ones, unworthily, you had better confess your serious, deadly (mortal) sins, all, repent and then come back to the Banquet Table of our Lord and eat HIS Body and drink HIS BLOOD and Live again!

Kathleen Parker ought to take a lesson from Star Parker. And Kathleen, your grandmother is praying for you to abandon your liberalism and come home to the Catholic Church where you really belong.

And, can anyone out their in "posting land" answer this very simple question, honestly?: WHO WAS THE FIRST CHRISTIAN??? Not too many people, even those who call themselves christian seem to know the answer!!

One last thought. What is the difference between a protestant and a descenting Catholic?
Answer: Integrity!

Please stop
with the Pope worship.

The man is only a man; not a mediator between man and God.

That role has already been fulfilled.

The First Christian
The Roman asks - who was the first Christian?

My answer would be Simon Peter, who in response to Jesus' question "Who do you say I am?", declared - "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."

What is "fully human"
All of the evidence I believe demonstrates that a tomato is not a human being. I have never heard the discssion of the gestation of a tomato in the womb.

But...I suspect that if we were able to discern the heart of hearts in the most extreme abortion rights activists, we would find some interesting things. First, I suspect that we would find that only a few hundred persons on the planet were fully human. The rest of us "unevolved" plebians should be subject to elimination to make way for human evolution. Billy Graham, of course is obviously not "evolved" because of his unevolved opinions regarding human life, its purpose and meaning. High up there among the evolved persons would be Jack Kevorkian, the Dali Lama, Fidel Castro, people hearts that see the truth. Certainly not Mother Teresa. She could not have been "evolved" because her brain had a defect allowing her to be critical of abortion. Also, I could wrong including men in the list of evolved persons, because they are...well...men. One of the many interesting questions that we might ask is that of the 50 million or so of babies killed since Row v. Wade, how many of them would have been those special "evolved" souls? So the question follows, doesn't abortion have the potential of limiting the very evoltion into higher humanity that the pro-abortion rights activists assume is where we are going? Would they think that the pope is "fully human"? I suspect not. Be careful, pope; don't give an audience to an abortion rights activist without frisking them first. They don't think you are a human being.

Pre-emptive war is the real issue
Did Parker connect the dots, i.e., if no one should take another human life then not just pre-emptive war but all war is immoral and sinful?

And Bush has done this in OUR name.

I was wondering
when someone would blame President Bush.
Always happens when someone's devoid of a real argument.
What'll you do next year?

Mr. Cody
What are examples of "false catholic theology" your refer to?

By the way Proud Lib
"Pre-emptive" by definition is something which is undertaken in order to avoid or mitigate something else which will be of a greater cost. Combat undertaken with the goal of avoiding a larger war is therefore ethically justifiable.

SJ Doc
Good comments. I fail to see how opposition to something on moral or religious grounds automatically justifies criminalizing such behavior.

Matthew 10

39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it

28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell

Rom
10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
• • •
13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother’s way.

Did Jesus persuade or force people to follow his teachings? Even if you believe abortion to be murder and an abomination to God, it does not then follow that you should judge and punish those that do this.


media
and the media...they represent "MODERN TIMES"..no ethics...no truth...bias and prejudice abound..hedonistic relativity...sounds like THE LEFT to me...one step closer to ORWELLIAN BIG BROTHER....len hrica uva65

In Praise of Reason
This column is an excellent recap of the arguments pro and con.

I would add, however, that there is another alternative to the mysticism of the Catholic position and the subjectivism of the moral relativists. It is the position that we must be OBJECTIVE in our criteria for what constitutes a human being.

The anti-abortionists take it as an article of faith that an embryo is a human being; most seem to imply that God puts a soul into every fertilized egg. Not only is there is no rational, secular, scientific evidence for this, but we can clearly see that this is nonsense. It is nonsense, people. Regardless of what you think science says about later-term fetuses responding meaningfully to outside stimuli, there can definitely be no such response in an organism without a brain.

The effect of anti-abortion legislation is to enslave others on the basis of some people's articles of faith. They believe that their faith should trump the rights of others.

But the notion that anyone's, or even a majority's, unproveable, arational view is justification for violating the rights of another is evil on its face.

Personhood
Protection of the unborn is the only acceptable stance for a Christian. Christ is, as we know, perfect "personhood" as well as Divine.

To destroy human life in the womb is a direct assault (blasphemy) against the Creator. If we equivacate here, we are not "Christian."

Yes, truth matters!

The Rght to Life is Inalienable
(Wendy): "... the notion that anyone's, or even a majority's, unproveable, arational view is justification for violating the rights of another is evil on its face."

Wendy, it's not a question of morality that's at issue - nearly everyone agrees no one has a right of liberty to take the life of another. The point of contention is whether there is sufficient evidence to conclude that a preborn is a human life. On this, people hold different views; but in a democracy, the majority definitely gets to decide the issue.

Abortion choice is similar in many ways to the issue of choice about enslaving blacks in the nation's past. People who owned slaves were adamantly opposed to granting blacks the same civil rights as whites. For them, it wasn't an issue of morality, but rather one of freedom of choice. Their view was, don't own slaves if you believe it is wrong, but don't tell me it's wrong for me to own slaves. Prochoice advocates are taking the same position today with respect to abortion rights.

Another issue is conflict of interest on the part of those who insist upon having freedom of choice to have their own way on the issue of abortion. Like slaveowners of the past, women today have a conflict of interest on allowing abortion choice. The desire of prochoice women in particular to be free to have an abortion simply cannot be denied by any moral argument that might be made to the contrary.

SunThe1
Virtually every aspect of Catholic theology is pagan. A few examples off the top of my head would be their legalistic view of salvation by being good little boys and girls, their placing the priesthood between the people and God, their teaching that believers should pray to "saints" rather than to God, their belief in purgatory which teaches salvation by works righteousness (a theology condemned by Christ), their Triunitarianism and their worship of Mary (Mariolatry) as "the mother of God." With a little more time and thought, I could extend the list to much longer.

One blogger said that Protestantism came out of Catholicism and that is true, but it is also true that Catholicism is the form of pseudo Christianity that developed after the early true church apostatized into paganism sometime during the third century. In my view, Protestantism is but a whitewashed version of Catholicism which, in turn, is a whitewashed version of pagan religion. This is how Satan controls all of organized religion. He controls it theologically. The great tragedy of it all is that few if any laymen or ministers and no priests or popes really understand theology, so, they have no idea whatsoever who is really in control of their various religious organizations. They are blind leaders of the blind, wells without water and false teachers whose end is.....well, you know.

Colin
As I thought, you are only familiar with some of the things people THINK that catholicism teaches. Most of the things you cite are not so. Some are quite common myths about the catholic faith.
So, what in your opinion is the true theology- what is your religion?

When does a pin head become a human?
(Robert): "But what if there were irrefutable proof that a fetus at conception is fully human?... isnt,so why talk about the what if."

Apparently, we don't have the genetic makeup of a human being at our conception, but somehow we acquire it along the way - as long as we're not aborted, that is.

(Robert): "something the size of a pin head is not a 'human being'."

I guess that settles it. If you don't come into this world a certain size according to Robert, you're not a human being.



Pope's visit
Kathleen, Benedict XVI is anything but out of step. In fact he is one of the best informed humans on the planet. Because he tows the line on morality,which is immuntable,he may iritate those who think Catholicism is a cafeteria religio The Churcthe n.That includes some Catholics who ,if they persist,need to leave. The Church has over 2,000 years of uninterrupted leadership now in excess of a billion worldwide. Of the over 40,000 sects claiming to be christian the Catholic church is the most scriptural and charasmatic. Faith alone is not sufficient to be saved,but one must live the precepts of the faith,which is a gift and not given to all. One of your readers,a socalled cleric exhibited his ignorance of the Church and that was exceed only by his stupidity.Maybe you need to review your roots in the Church and be further educated on a subject with which you lack substance. Our faith is not a cafeteria.
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