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Wednesday, March 05, 2008
Kathleen Parker :: Townhall.com Columnist
Steinem's Last Stand
by Kathleen Parker
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WASHINGTON -- Change agents running for president probably would do well to leave the ghosts of crises past stashed in the attic.

Instead, Hillary Clinton's latest stumper, Gloria Steinem, is a vision from a time that is, as Barack Obama's youthful contingent would say, "so yesterday."

Appearing in Austin before the Texas primary, Steinem's words on Clinton's behalf merely served to remind young voters why they prefer Obama.

Indeed, the race and gender dimensions of the presidential campaign have been important mostly to an older generation of Americans, including the Clintons, who are slow to recognize that the world they sought to change has, indeed, changed.

The contest between Obama and Clinton isn't about sex and race. It's about age -- and the gap is about generations, not gender.

Steinem, who at 73 is two years older than John McCain, tried to make the case that Hillary's faltering campaign was owing to America's greater guilt over racism than sexism. Voters feel worse about slavery and Jim Crow than they do about "gynocide," according to the Ms. magazine founder.

"A majority of Americans want redemption for racism, for our terrible destructive racist past and so see a vote for Obama as redemptive," she said.

Steinem isn't the first to note the redemptive quality of voting for Obama. Shelby Steele wrote a book about it, saying that Obamamania is largely a white phenomenon for the reasons Steinem mentioned. But like Steinem and Clinton, the white-guilt vote belongs primarily to an older generation.

Young people who didn't experience the civil rights movement -- or Steinem's feminist movement, for that matter -- aren't thinking about race in the same ways older Americans do.

And though Obama's race clearly did count among African-American voters -- 80 percent of whom voted for him in the states he carried up through Super Tuesday -- his youth and perceived racial transcendence are what speak loudest to post-boomer voters.

It's not that young voters are more open to diversity -- though they are; they simply are more diverse than the American electorate as a whole.

Exit polls of voters 18 to 29 in 2004 found that young Americans identified themselves as 13 percent Hispanic/Latino (compared to 8 percent of all voters); 15 percent black (compared to 11 percent of all voters); and 6 percent gay, lesbian or bisexual (compared to 3 percent).

Not surprisingly, this age group is the most tolerant and becoming more so, according to the Center for Information & Research on Civic Learning & Engagement (CIRCLE).

Here's another batch of demographics to spice the stew as older Americans ponder Obamamania: This same youth group is better educated than previous generations, less likely to be married than their counterparts 30 years ago, less likely to have served in the military, more likely to be concentrated in the West, and more likely to be unemployed.

The America of the Steinem/Clinton generation has changed in hue and 'tude, in other words, and politicians who seek ascendancy with arguments of a boomer past will merely highlight that his or her time belongs to history.

Steinem and Steele may be right that some Americans unconsciously seek atonement through an Obama presidency, but that's clearly not the case among young people who show almost identical attitudes toward Hispanics, blacks and whites, according to CIRCLE's research.

And what about gender? Do people care more about a racist than a sexist past? And is it possible, as Steinem recently claimed in a New York Times article, that "gender is probably the most restricting force in American life"?

Um, probably not.

Few statements could more vividly illustrate the growing gap between yesterday's sisterhood and today's young women. Contrary to the myths they've been fed since birth about their second-class status, young American women today are thriving.

They may be a little lonely in college where they outnumber men. They may be frustrated by a lack of adult male company as their opposites amuse themselves with pixelated playmates and video games. But patriarchal oppression is a hard sell.

The Manhattan Institute's Kay Hymowitz recently reported that half of American men ages 18 to 34 play video games almost three hours a day. Which sex needs saving here?

Trying to convince women under 50 that gender is a barrier to success feels not just stale, but dishonest. And nothing says "yesterday" like a 73-year-old feminist foot soldier who didn't get the memo that she won the war.

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Gloria Simply Didn't Get The Memo
Excellant column Kathleen, your last lines in this piece rings true most if not all of her "sisteren" got the memo they've won. Sadly, Gloria either didn't or chose to ignore the facts. Now she's become unhinged, a 73 year old former playboy bunny gone wild.

Grumpy old women...
...like grumpy old men,just can't seem to give it up.Their wars were the defining issues for their age group.I know how they feel.WWII and the war against Communism was the defining issue for my generation,but not the present one.Now the defining issue is the war against radical Islam.But 50 years from now,the majority will be bored hearing the stories of the great battles of 2008.And so it goes.The more it changes,the more it remains the same.

Gyno
everything.


With grumpy old men, they hang together to tell war stories. Grumpy old women hang together and show pictures of grandchildren, and complain about grumpy old husbands.

Grumpy old feminists have no husbands, daughters or granddaughters. Only gyno-daughters who fail to worship at the bitter, lonely altar the feminists have erected (no pun intended).
So bitter!

Bulletins
Trying to convince us to fall in line like good little nazis will only encourage these rinos to move further left. This man helped torpedo the Reps chance to win in 06. To support him now would be as nasty as voting for Hillary.
Your arguments are lame. Take a look at Texas and Ohio should you blue bloods think you don't need us. Onward Limbaugh, Ingram and Coulter let the rest of them fall in line.

Parker, You Almost Got It Correct
Parker writes: " The Manhattan Institute's Kay Hymowitz ..reported that half of American men ages 18 to 34 play video games .. three hours a day.Which sex needs saving here?" While the "men" are playing the games, women are shopping, talking about men, talking about a fashion, watching IDOL, and other "women" things. Haven't you women ever seen a dress or shoes before? Instead, try inventing something or come up with an original thought.

Men to Boys
MS. Parker's column suggested a thought. She mentioned that today's young women may find themselves lonely because young men are looking at pixilated bunnies (internet porn) and playing video games.

It occured to me that one of the results (hopefully, unintended) of the feminist movement was the immaturing of men into boys. Feminism went betond condemning the abuses of male sexuality and aggression, and simply condemned maleness. Since the women of the feminist movement did not understand men's fascination with the female body, they condemned it as an objectivation of women. They insisted that "men grow up and love like women do." The result is that men have grown down and now find satisfaction for their sexual urges online (a true objectivisation of women)...or with another man.

Men's aggressive nature was condemned outright as the source of mankind's ills (rather than, as it truly is, a protection against many of the world's ills) and taught men that it is never right to use violnce...not even in a just cause. The result is that men play video games, and the evil forces of aggression do not find much resistance to bringing down skyscrapers and blowing up ships.

Fortunately, it is very hard to deny biology, and men will be men, and women will be women, despite a few screeching harpies and pussilinamous softies.


Joe T ...
Well said -- excellent point with which I agree entirely. We've been gender-differentiated animals far longer than we've been identity politicians. Genetics will out one way or another.

Listen up, I'm 4 days shy of being 75...
....and I think Gloria Steinem's comments are those of a fool. And not just a fool, but an ignorant fool.

And oh yes, I'm a female.


While Gloria and her ilk
were off aborting babies, those of us who respect God and life were busy raising very pro-life children. Now the old hippies are simply outnumbered and they know it. Gloria, the dried up old wench that she is, better get the next memo: The end is near.

old fems
i guess they forgot to look at the calendar to realize the 60's are long gone. It seems the only clock the fems paid attention to related to the reproductive calendar and forgot they just got old and out of touch

Those
bitter old battleaxes, really messed it up for the real females. Men are so intimidated by their nasty reactions when they do anything remotely chivalrous so that when there are women
like me, who appreciate being treated like a lady
(and who in her day, didn't mind a wolf whistle)
are lumped in with these bitter harpies. So
we don't get the politely opened doors and allowed to precede into whereever first for example. I look upon these bitter nags as my
enemies. There was a line in Days of Our Lives
years ago, where Alice is speaking to one of her daughters. She says, she preferred her privileges rather than her "rights." Those days
are long gone, even the "liberated" younger generation of females is unhappy, and have taken on the sexual aggressiveness of the male. They think sexual looseness, foul language, masculine behavior is liberation. They don't realize that
when they shack up, they lose something aside from their morals, they lose the respect of the guy/guys. Feminisms sexual revolution was the best thing for a male, it liberated them rather than the female. As in why buy the cow when the milk comes free.

RIP, Gloria
Gloria Steinem's pathetic attempt to remain relevent in the 21st century is simply another reminder that the latest MSM-supported cause du jour isn't feminism any more.

The world moves on. Always.

Who won the war
I was engaged to one of the feminist warriors, long ago, in the 1980s. I took her to meet my parents on the ranch in Colorado and there was a gathering of neighbors at my parents home so they could meet this woman. A friend of my Mom's arrived. She was the picture of a weathered, gray-haired farm wife with bi-focals, truth was she had been a widow for some twenty years. And my fiance asked her: And what do you do?
LaVerne replied: I farm.

Alyson blurted out: All by yourself?

All by myself. LaVerne replied.

Some warriors are indeed reserved and warrior on alone with no accolades or fanfare.

Dr. K

In response to Tea Party
I quit doing things for women for the very reasons you state. The last woman I dated kept saying to me: You treat me so nice. I wanted to treat her nice. But how many times were my best efforts tossed away or converted to a political struggle. All I wanted was some romance, some kindness, some loving. So now, first, I have to find out what her agenda is. This battle between men and women for the last 30 years or so has a perfect analogy in the Western Front during World War I, the lines are static, great efforts are made to change them, with little effect and at great expense. So in that respect I have to fire a flare to find out what her agenda is. And if it's something I don't have to put up with, she gets the call strike three and I move on.

And sorry Tea Party it's not in me to be a nice guy anymore, although the facade may still be intact, it's no more Mr. Nice Guy, no more Mr. Clean. And my writing comes ahead of dishes in the sink.

Dr. K

white guilt, give me a break
I'm 53 and I don't have an ounce of white guilt in me. Anyone who votes for Obama out of white guilt is a moron.

Good post, KATZ. These people act as if every other country is a bastion of understanding and diversity. Nothing could be further from the truth!

Dr K
Keep sending up those flares - and keep moving
on. You will make many women happy.

Do you think that it is all the women's fault
that you haven't found Ms. Right yet at your
age? Give me a break. Perhaps one should look
to oneself now and again.

But this is not why I write. Parker is somewhat
right, in that women of a certain age, which includes my age, see the women's rights battle as
won. But not everyone defines the terms the same
way, so let's just say that we are probably
protected as well as men under the law. The
same is true for blacks. However, I think most
blacks don't see it that way. And I would give
them the fact that the law is not the very
human judge and jury. It is only the law.

On the other side of the equation, I will say
that women have gotten their act together far
more than the blacks have. And for that reason
I would like to see a black man in the White
House. The black fathers and other role models
are desparately missing in the black community.
And until that changes our whole society is in danger.

But, I am still voting for Hillary. She is my
hero. She understood, and tried to do something
about health care, long before it was on anyone
else's radar and for that she has my vote.

What I am not looking forward to the ongoing
witch hunts. The Republicans hate Hillary with
a passion which goes way beyond politics, or
truth.

Tea Party
Where in heaven's name do you get your ideas about the state of women's psyches. You will find bitter and unhappy people in both sexes and
in all ages. And I would put you up there at
the top of the list. I am an old harpie in my
60's and I am a feminist who has a very good
life indeed. My husband, who owns his own
business, and is doing very well, is a feminist.
My son (an ex-marine) and both daughters (one a
stay at home mom, the other a not-stay-at-home
mom) are all feminists. We are all married to
our one and only spouses.

I think the line "enjoy the privileges more than
the rights" is telling. I will bet that it was
said by a rather shallow person.

VIRRUHDIMWIT
again I ask the question what has the missus clinton done to make her a hero. One must put themselves at risk to save others to qualify as a hero. If she is your hero you must be even more pathetic than she is and that makes you a real disaster and loser

krystalbird
Don't forget irrelevant!

Speculative
My journals are full of introspection, and whether I have made or will make many women happy is purely speculative. That is not the object of my life.

I do not see candidate Clinton as a hero either. And I won't vote for her, nor candiate Obama. Neither meets my criteria for Commander in Chief, nor do they represent my political ideology. Nor would I vote for either based upon any notion of guilt. I will give Obama credit for his rhetoric, style, and savy.
Those alone do not meet my criteria for Commander in Chief.

As for heroes, I've met one for sure, my nephew who served in Iraq with the 1st ID.

Dr. K.

viruddh: YES
On the other side of the equation, I will say
that women have gotten their act together far
more than the blacks have.

Yes, because WOMEN have been the greatest beneficiaries of the "professional victim-group" game.

viruddh: Really?
“Do you think that it is all the women's fault
that you haven't found Ms. Right yet at your
age?”

Really? As opposed to your average over-privileged single female routinely blaming an entire gender for not wanting to fight over the privilege of basking in her goddess-like presence? MSM Female chauvinist punditry routine attribute the current state of rampant female “singlehood” to the short comings of the male of the species because you females are so perfect in everyway, shape & form. God knows it has nothing to do with institutionalized female entitlement or a misandric legal system that makes marriage appear to have all the attraction of suicide to your average single male. Maybe if said individuals didn’t take themselves quite so seriously, they might not be quite so angry at men in general…But that would detract from their quality time spent in their cloister with like-minded, enlightened “female intellectuals.”

Profblog
and others who extrapolate from one grumpy old broad to the entire feminist cadre of her generation (well, I am 13 years younger than she is), please realize that unmarried women without grandchildren have plenty to talk about.

Right now we are talking about how much we hate Tony George, for one thing; about whether anything short of dynamite will get us a Leafs team that knows which end of a stick to shoot with; about whether Audi or Peugeot will win the Battle of the Diesels next week at Sebring 12 Hours, where to go on vacation this year, how we can get the young men and women to stop the "shove and run" on a sidewalk that is solid ice with an inch of new show over it, just to prove that they are younger and faster than us (some of us long to see them lying three steps ahead with broken legs) and where to get an authentic Boston Baked Bean pot. Just for openers. It's no longer a matter, if it ever was, of dish diapers, divorce and labour pains or remain silent.

Equality?
You actually think that feminists wanted "Equality”? Thanks to the lobbying efforts of feminists focused on chivalrous “secular progressive” male politicians & judges, today’s women children live increasingly “responsibility optional, consequence free” lives. Women have the majority of civil, education, reproductive, marital, divorce, child-custody, and child-support rights in America. Result? Women are abusing “No-Fault Divorce”: women apply for 70% of all divorces while utilizing children as financial assets in order to leverage the largest amount of de facto Alimony: i.e., child support. Why find a new boyfriend if you don’t have an ex-husband to subsidize your new love life. Given their child custody monopoly, mothers commit 60% of all child abuse. Moreover, in recent poll 30% of women were willing to commit maternity fraud (lying about her fertility or use of birth control) depending on the prospective father’s income. Fifty percent (50%) of all married women commit adultery which results in at least 4-10% of women committing the most despicable act of domestic abuse: paternity fraud (lying about her child’s real father) w/ impunity by legally forcing their husbands to pay for some else’s children. Why not have an affair if you have an ambulatory wallet to pay for consequences of said affair. Women routinely employ abortion as de facto birth control that results in 25 % (1.4M) of all children conceived yearly being aborted for pure convenience. Also, since Women unilaterally decide to have children out of wedlock at least 37% of the time, those same chivalrous male politicians enacted social welfare programs ($1.4T per year) that benefit promiscuous irresponsible women at the expense of the majority male taxpayer base. Why is it always some woman implying that a “level playing field” exists when it’s clear that we are living in an increasingly gynocentric, socialist dystopia?

Gloria and Men
Men may be looking at pixels, but most can easily find no-strings-attached sexual gratification from "liberated" women who mock "prudes", and many men are doing just that, and see no reason to get married or treat females like ladies.

And yes, she didn't get the memo.

Colleges have more women than men. Jails have far more men than women. The Left sites the disproportionate percentage of blacks in our prisons as evidence of racism, but would never cite the high number of males as evidence of sexism.

If a man and woman get into a physical domestic altercation, even if she started it, who is more likely to be taken to jail by the police?

How many men do you know of who have been acquitted or treated lightly by the criminal justice system after cutting of part of their wife, killing her, or killing their children because they were "abused" or were suffering hormonal/emotional difficulties? That defense only seems to work for women.

Are the people investing sexual harassment claims in the workplace more likely to be men or women, and who are they more likely to believe?

Men lose the right to "choose" not to be fathers the moment that DNA leaves their body, even if he wears a condom. Women can "choose" not to be mothers after conception, up until birth, and in many places after birth they can leave the child at a hospital or fire station with no legal or financial repercussions. Now, I believe fornication is wrong... but let's be honest about who has the power.

Steinem didn't win
If I remember correctly, Phyllis Schlafly won, when it comes to the only time Steinem's political clout was put to the test in a national contest.

The ERA, despite near universal support from politicians and pundits alike, was soundly rejected by the American people. The reasons were that it would lead to things like gay marriage and women in combat. Steinem denied this, of course, insisting that nobody wanted to bring about something as radical as gay marriage. Now they tell us that gay marriage will not pave the way for polygamy.

Why is it that the loser in that debate is famous, and the winner is only known to those of us who read her column on Townhall?

You Forgot...
“They may be a little lonely in college where they outnumber men.”

You forgot mention the contributing factors of “Affirmative Action” (women are the biggest beneficiaries of quotas), Title IX and gender-specific scholarships, e.g., INTEL, to the so-aclled gender gap on college campuses. You also forgot to mention that the average composite MALE SAT score is still higher that average FEMALE SAT score. Additionally, 1st wave (equality in opportunity) & 2nd wave feminism (“equality of outcome via quotas”) failed to produce comparable numbers of female engineers, scientists, mathematicians, etc., since “analytical” disciplines are still overwhelmingly dominated by men. Said “majority” of college students is comprised primarily of individuals who prefer the less academically rigorous “soft science” disciplines: English, Sociology, Psychology, Women’s Studies, Public Education, etc. which will guarantee that they will have trouble supporting a family & spouse, much less themselves. Why? When given the opportunity most women still don’t apply to the lucrative “analytically-challenging” majors, e.g., Engineering. Most women still enjoy the non-lucrative “fun” majors because they figure that some dumb male will eventually support them financially. Half of all female Harvard MBAs are out of work force within 10 years- they found an ambulatory wallet that was willing to support them in the fashion to which they were accustomed. Women are very liberated when the situation benefits them but quite old fashioned when comes to should stay at home and who should break their back in a job supporting both of them. Women are quite sexist by the very nature of their socially-reinforced sense of entitlement.

cleverness_of_me
Gloria Steinem once said that a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle. Now she's supporting a candidate who depends on her womanizing husband to bail her out every time she gets in trouble. Ironically, said husband has also been accused of sexual harassment and rape.

As Larry the Cable Guy would say, "I don't care who ya are; that's just funny!"

P.S. I'm not "Ken the Playful Walrus", though I do agree with a lot of what he said.

Life Is So Much Better When...
...men and women love and respect each other and our differences are recognized and accepted, not used to paint each other as evil.

I'm glad women have more choices now, but we need not tear down the country or tear down men to protect the rights of women. And feminists should honor a woman who FREELY CHOOSES to get married, have children, respect and honor her husband, and put her children before career.

Redemption??
"A majority of Americans want redemption for racism, for our terrible destructive racist past and so see a vote for Obama as redemptive," she said.

Speak for yourself you dessicated old hag. I don't believe this for a nanosecond. Good grief. To feel bad about something that happened a century and a half ago?? No, this sounds like the kind of thing that someone with too much time on their hands would do. Her own destructive hateful comments about John McCain should make her wanting redemption....but as a liberal, she believes others should feel all the guilt.


viruddh
"She [Hillary] understood, and tried to do something about health care"

And she FAILED miserably. When people saw what her health care plan entailed, they elected the first Republican Congress in forty years.

"long before it was on anyone else's radar"

Are you kidding? You act as though national health care was Hillary's brainchild. Where were you during the 1970's?

"and for that she has my vote."

Even Democrats are starting to see what a phoney Hillary is. That's why they're flocking to Obama.

Longreachone
Alas, feminism and chivalry don't mix.

Longreachone
When I was a little girl, I had fantasies of becoming an astronaut. I was told by my fifth grade teacher that girls could never be anything but teachers, nurses, mothers, and if they were too stupid to go to college, secretaries.

We feminists went to war against that mindset and we won.

Sorry it spoiled your Barbie Moment, sweetie.

P.S. My two boys have good manners toward women, even those who have not got good manners toward them. They were brought up to understand that manners are a very good idea especially these days when the woman you mouth off to in the elevator may turn out to be your new boss.

White guilt my white a$$
People my age who grew up AFTER the Civil Right Act do not harbor guilt about racism, because we are not racists. People my age (as well as others, no doubt) who support Obama do so because he is intelligent, articulate, a relative D.C. "outsider," not beholden to the Democratic Party old-liners (or, heaven forbid, the Clintons), and because he has a beautiful, intelligent, articulate wife, and a strong family. His message of "change" resonates with many who are desperate for it.

What does "white guilt" have to do with any of that? What nonsense.

excuse me , Laura
Obammy is not a D.C. "outsider," not beholden to the Democratic Party "old-liners," much less the Clintons.
In fact, a two-term Senator is very beholden to the old guard' He's ben taking his marching orders all along from Kennedy, Leahy, Kerry et al as any sophomore in the Senate MUST. Why do you figure Kennedy/and the old-liners endorsed him ? As for intelligence and eloquence; sure--in the dirty service of ultra-leftist politics; he's in the pockets of Planned Parenthood and many other disgusting leftie causes. His wife is YOUNG, and rather plain, not beautiful. It's OK, looks don't matter. But she isn't as intelligent as you think.

One of the first things she told the media is that Obambi is smelly-- he's got B.O. Plus her remarks about America are (OK, freedom of speech ) nothing but ridiculous; bordering on victimology. Not attractive in a First Lady at all.

wasn't it Gloria Steinem who ?


Was it she who dated Mort Sahl, back in the 60's --? He was the stand-up political pundit of our Vietnam era.

Once he stated that Gloria was a cool chick. That was his word for her-- Chick.

His interviewer said; "Oh, Mort; --Ummm. Gloria wouldn't like that." He bowled me over answering: "A little part of her would."

.

Is it me....
Or does it seem like too many women have become supersized over the last 5-10 years. Covering themselves with tatoos doesn't help either. The result is that many of these women don't resemble anything feminine or masculine for that matter. Jeans,tshirts and flip flops. You can go out any night and see bars full of them getting drunk and discussing their sex toys so everyone can hear. I don't know how to respond anymore but to not look in their direction in the first place. The younger ones seem hot until they open their mouths. But what you'll find is most of this type has been raised by single mothers.

AudiR10
"Sorry it spoiled your Barbie Moment, sweetie."

So where did your boys learn their good manners? Obviously not from you.

Yeah, there's big trouble in River City
Things have snow-balled badly, we're ALL to blame for it.

My poor wife objected when I said:

Roman Polanski was forced to jump bail and return to Europe for drugging & violating a 13 year-old girl. That was then, this is now.

It's the 13 year-old girls who teach men now; Let's get poppin'--

No anxieties until they run away, get abortions, sell themselvs for drugs.

It was MEN who corrupted them. Not only women who never controlled their daughters. MEN with insatiable appetites and women with their wonderful pill.

Nobody thought of telling the kids: "LOVE GOD; because He loves you and me." If parents did that every evening before bed-- But NO; Instead, "What's dirty to watch tonight on TV--Whoooo! She's HOT !" Like morons.

AudiR10
I would never suggest that you're a grumpy old feminist, and clearly you have much to talk about. Maybe you're just a grumpy old Canadian... eh! ; )

to Ms. Parker
"Trying to convince women under 50 that gender is a barrier to success feels not just stale, but dishonest. And nothing says "yesterday" like a 73-year-old feminist foot soldier who didn't get the memo that she won the war."

I did not hear Ms. Steinem speak or read her speech so I have only your words to rely on.
In your column I could find nothing to
support your suggestion that Ms. Steinem was
telling the world that Ms. Clinton's gender was
a barrier to her success, or for that matter, a
reason for her success.

Even your take on what is going on is pie-eyed.
You say first of all that Steinem's words serve
to remind young people of why they prefer Obama,
and then you say that the over 50's are more in
tune with the gender thing. Well, I guess that
is one way of putting it if your mission is to
convince people that Hillary is a has been.

However, my take is that young people are more
swayed by sex appeal and older people are
more concerned with the issues, especially when
an important issue is health care that looms
very large with the over 50 crowd.


Longreachone writes:
'Thanks Feminists! When I was a little girl, I had lots of fantasies about having doors opened for me, coats laid across puddles of mud and flowers and candy brought to me just because.
Thanks to you feminists, none of those things have ever happened. "

You're welcome. However, I refuse to take all the blame. Maybe you ain't that pretty.

Ken
""She [Hillary] understood, and tried to do something about health care"

And she FAILED miserably. When people saw what her health care plan entailed, they elected the first Republican Congress in forty years.


****

Yes, you are right. And it really sticks in
the craw that The Democrats were just as big
jerks as the Republicans in that issue. But
Hillary has refined her approach and the
way it would be handled, and the old duffers
are finally catching on how many people really
do care about the issue of health care.
So we are headed for round two.

Ain't America great, where second chances really
do exist.

Tom Cripps
"The younger ones seem hot until they open their mouths. But what you'll find is most of this type has been raised by single mothers." - Tom
Cripps. Where are the fathers when you need them
and why are you still out trolling for young things in bars at your age?

Another way of putting it is - yeh, it probably
is you.


Kathleen Parker
The contest is not about sex, race OR age.

Its about morality, scruples, ethics, direction.

Americans have lost their way. And your not having even touched on these, proves my point.

The almighty dollar has replaced God.
ATM is the alter where prayer has a new meaning.(ironically, these machines actually look like public urinals).
73 year old Gloria did the best she knew how for the time she was in. We owe her a lot. You will never comprehend what it is that I am speaking of. You had to be there. People who worked for our liberties needed to press further than we may have liked, in order to be heard (and in order for the pendulum to be able to swing to a comfortable middle ground).

You benefit by her forging on. To hear women, today, say anything to dishonor her is embarrassing, at very least; But moreover, is such a lack of sisterhood and pure intelligence. Especially since critisizing undermines the world condition, and takes our liberties for granted. Where's your gratitude? Where's your respect?

You wouldn't, on your finest day, commit to a lifetime for the betterment of a human...no less a nation of women and for generations to come.

Just what do you mean by thrive? MYTH? Can you see beyond your pierced belly buttons, acrylic nails and botox chins to even consider the task of coming to the very real aid of fellow females in our global world; to do even a mere fraction of what our foresisters did for us?

Generation, not gender, you say? I say, the world is trafficing young girls for sex in the most horrific ways.

Where are You? Where have you been?




Longreachone
I assure you, you have only youself to blame for that, cause I have enjoyed those polite & sensual gestures from men for many years...and still do.

Of course settling, finally, on one, just had to be...finally.


Wildwest
Tell me, has your wife ever said to you: You
never listen to me.

If your answer is "no" it isn't because she didn't say it. It was because you weren't
listening.

No one has to risk their life to be my hero.
But it helps of course. Doing something that
no one else had the guts to do also counts.

HEALTH CARE, HEALTH CARE, HEALTH CARE, HEALTH CARE.

Do you think it will stick in your brain this
time. I am rather flattered, however, that you
remember me. You are so sweet. Have a nice day.

to Nellie
Oh god, you are wonderful. You say just the
right things, and the correct things. If the
talk show hosts, and pundits, and reporters
were anything like you, we would actually have
a kinder gentler nation.

my husband is a feminist
we both love and respect people who care...which also includes each of us.

That's where the pendulum comfortably fell.

It took many, many, hard struggling years.

And men made it through to meet women in a whole new way.

Now the opposite is happening. Who will step up to the plate, for human equality, there?

I think Obama can. Maybe HE will.


we're feminists who
support life (not death).

and we support health (not prescription drugs).

we support spiritual healing (not medical malpractice & law suites).

we support anyone but a Clinton! (man or woman).

see! our movement is not about gender.
its not about generation.
its not even about age.

its much more meaningful than that. Its really about direction.

and that direction should look up.

my 2 cents
When I was a little boy my folks taught me that a gentleman opens the door for a lady. And they taught me that whenever possible when a lady enters the room you stand up. The second part went by the boards a while ago but I still adhere to the first whenever possible and I've never been called on it. It was the right thing to do then and it still is now. The only difference now is that a lot of times the favor is returned, and that's cool.

My 2 cents are spent

FYI - I'm 64

"health care" so said, is an oximoran
it proposes to do neither.

what it will do is: fill the already deep pockets of pharmacuticals, physicians, insurance companies...all 'special interests' other than ours.

we believe true health care is saught after in the same cumpulsion and conviction in which the women's movement was...through a desire to be free.


mystic7
I also have no 'white guilt' nor should anyone else. This is another of the Liberal Myths which all Americans should ignore.
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