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Wednesday, November 28, 2007
Kathleen Parker :: Townhall.com Columnist
Survival of the Stupidest
by Kathleen Parker
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Hey, did you hear the one about the woman who aborted her kid so she could save the planet?

That's no joke, but Darwin must be chuckling somewhere.

Toni Vernelli was one of two women recently featured in a London Daily Mail story about environmentalists who take their carbon footprint very, very seriously.

So seriously, in fact, that Vernelli aborted a pregnancy and, by age 27, had herself sterilized. Baby-making, she says, is "selfish" and "all about maintaining your genetic line at the expense of the planet."

Because Toni and her husband, Ed, are childless and vegan, they say they can justify one long-haul airplane trip per year and still remain carbon neutral.

Sarah Irving is another like-minded nature-nurturer. She and fiance Mark Hudson decided on him having a vasectomy to prevent the possibility of an inconvenient life interfering with their carbon-perfect ones.

Those of us who have managed to see a pregnancy through to birth recognize the irony of these tales.

If we're not saving the planet for our kids, for whom are we saving it? After we're all sterilized and aborted, who's going to appreciate the fact that global warming is, by golly, under control? Who's going to live to tell the tale?

Tell me: When was the last time you read a good book by a polar bear?

Human beings may unconsciously wish to maintain their genetic line, but that's not the reason most people have children. OK, most of us have children because we get pregnant. But otherwise, the planet -- glorious as it is -- is simply not that much fun with no one around.

The authors of the newspaper story seemed to have a sense of something gone awry, but I don't share their nostalgia for "innocent eyes gazing up ... with unconditional love" and "a little hand slipping into hers -- and a voice calling her Mummy."

Those little pleasures are for all to cherish in their own private moments. Please.

What I'm nostalgic for is sanity.

The couples who choose abortion and sterilization may not save the planet, but they're saving the gene pool a mess o' trouble by purging their own from the mix. The Darwin Awards folks, who honor those who improve the species by accidentally removing themselves from it, will have to create a new category:

People Too Narcissistic To Procreate.

Far be it from me to suggest that people must have children to be content or to contribute to life on Earth. But abortion should never be confused with a selfless act. It is clearly the ultimate and most-vivid expression of the opposite.

Raising children is quantifiably the most persistently unselfish act known to mankind, as millions of veterans of sleepless nights will attest. Parenthood is when "I" takes a backseat to "thou" -- when the infant-self submits to adulthood so that the real infant gets a necessary turn at the well of self-importance.

Although I doubt there are many willing to sterilize themselves in order to reduce the size of their carbon footprint, such extreme materialism is the evolutionary product of our gradual commodification of human life.

Suddenly, the unborn is of no greater importance than the contents of our recycling bin. Like Weight Watchers dieters substituting carbs for sugars, we trade off future members of the human race to neutralize insults to Earth's balance in the present.

Here's how the mental calculation goes: Let's see, if I abort my child, maybe I can travel first-class to the United Nations Climate Change Conference in Bali.

Is this the slippery slope that pro-lifers prophesied? Once such utilitarian concerns edge out our humanity -- and once human life is deemed to have no greater value than any other life form -- how long before we begin tidying up other inconveniences?

Wouldn't it be helpful to eliminate some of the less productive members of society who, like the cows they no doubt eat, are emitting hazardous methane, one of the greenhouse gases that contribute to global warming?

That seems an absurd projection, but then not long ago, so did the aborting of babies to thwart global warming. The deeply caring, meanwhile, are always the ones to watch. Tenderness, it has been said, leads to the gas chambers.

On a lighter note, we might have avoided all such concerns if only the mothers of Toni, Ed, Sarah and Mark had been as "virtuous" as they are.

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Ms. Parker - You mentioned that parenthood is when the focus shifts from "I" (the wishes of the parent's inner child) to "thou" (the needs of the child). That is the way it's SUPPOSED to work--unfortunately, some parents never make that shift. There are some horrendously selfish people out there, and some of them are parents. To a truly narcissistic person, the child is not "thou" but "mini-Me," or even "it." These are the stories you read about in the news every week--the ones about deadbeat dads, and worse. Anybody who can't or won't put a child's needs first 1.) should not go around having children, and 2.) if they do, the poor kids should be given up for adoption. Earth will be inherited by the children and grandchildren raised by people who love them, no matter whose DNA they carry.

Actually,
it just shows the cowardice of these weirdos. If they had the courage of their convictions, they would have disposed of themselves, but as is the case with most liberal loons, they took a helpless, innocent, and someone other than themselves life instead. Bravo you whacked out, depraved, useless excuses of human life!

Limiting Carbon Footprints
Their carbon footprint can easily be limited by not exhaling carbon dioxide. Or not inhaling oxygen so as to generate CO2 as a waste product. Or, by jumping off a nice high cliff. Notice how pro-abortion killers can kill anybody off but themselves? That's pro-choice for you: choose to dump the burden on anyone else but themselves.

god and methodology
As with the poster, I am open to evidence for god. But in the mean time I am going to be true to methodologically sound principles and not proclaim something for which I have no evidence just cause a lot of people believe it is so.

But there is a more problematic difference between the poster and god. Those who would have me believe in god, can not show me god via direct experience. In stead they say that the scientific method is insufficient because it can't demonstrate god and that I must open myself up to methodologies which have been already falsified in their ability to approximate model or reality.

With the poster I can just use the scientific method. With god I am asked to discard it and just "have faith."

"Why be sad if they aren't?"

I don't mean sad... In a literal way.... It's figure of speech.

"AND, if they are, isn't that their own weakness?"

I don't think they are...and I wouldn't think of sadness a weakness. It is far weaker to not have sadness. Sadness is a product of your body expressing a moral message. It's something you want people to have.

"I am the mother of 7. I didn't "miss out" on anything, because I CHOSE. I WANTED to be a mother."

Good for you.

god and methodology II
"On the other hand, I delight in learning, and constantly want to be taught-either by the Scriptures, good books, or by those who are teaching."

Right. Your problem is that you have been taught a methodologically unsound way of learning. Only the scientific method can give you reliable data that can approximate truth.

To rely on authority, is to set your self up for "incorrect, false, or downright deceitful information." If you can't replicate a piece of information you receive then it is probably wrong.

You know those posters where if you put your eyes out of focus a rather flat "3D" image appears. I didn't believe that the image was there. Because I couldn't see it. Now I can... But my position that it was not there is a lot more reasonable than for me to state that it is with out ever having seen it?


god and methodology
"I think teachings are the basis of beginning to believe."

No they are not. Teachings impart beliefs, but belief themselves seems to be instinctual. Beliefs are not the same as truths.

"If I'm not taught correct principles, I can't believe one way or another."

As I mentioned above beliefs are instinctual. Belief is the inability to tell apart casualty from correlations.

"I agree that teachings-whether to adults or children CAN have a negative impact if incorrect, false, or downright deceitful things are taught."

i.e. god


life with god
"For me, He is my Heavenly Father. I am created in His image, and desire to spend my eternity with him, and by extrapolation with my children."

Yeah to me none of that makes any sense. Heavenly Father? What is that? Created in His image? Does that make you a male? Is he human. Does he have a human body? If he has a human body, how is he not confined by physical laws. Spend my eternity with him? In eternity, can we even talk about a you? Don't you only exist in a finite world? Why would you want to be with him? What reason do you even have to believe he wants to spend eternity with you? Do you want to spend eternity with him if he doesn't want to spend it with you?

I'm only scratching the surface, and right now form my perspective, he is just a figment of your imagination. Which of course would make the answers to the questions I just asked a lot easier to explain.

i.e. every thing will work out, because that's how you are going to arrange it in you're mind. Which it the only place that "For me, He is my Heavenly Father. I am created in His image, and desire to spend my eternity with him, and by extrapolation with my children." has any meaning.

More problematic would be if you want to live with the god of the bible. Especially the old testament. That is not a nice guy. I wouldn't suggest you marry or date anyone as perverse as that guy, much less spend eternity with him.

I mean his idea of raising children is having the ones who misbehave stoned to death. If that is a loving god, then more parenting books should include water boarding along with time outs.

On God
"By God, I mean Creator."

If you mean creator, then my answer would be that as I understand the data, the most that I could reasonable presume to be true is that our universe may be created by something with a similar intelligence to our own.

"Do you have a belief in a Supreme Being? That is God."

I don't hold beliefs, even though I often use that language. I see evidence which either supports or is against the probability of something being true.

"The God of the OT, the Savior of the NT."

In both cases I don't see evidence for that to be highly probable and Lots of evidence for that to be improbable.

"Have you read the Bible?"

Yes... Of course. How can I speak on something I have never read?

"I honestly don't mean to be rude,"

And I don't think you are?

"I am trying to get a grasp on why you (or anyone really) have no belief in God."

I think you will learn a lot about the diversity of humanity in answering this question. I think you can get similar answers by asking "why do people believe in god?" I suggest that both position are not easily answered though a few categories may explain the majority of answers.


uber
“Do you claim any God?”

"No. But I’m also not sure what you mean by “claim.” I don’t even now what you mean by “god.”"

By God, I mean Creator. Do you have a belief in a Supreme Being? That is God. The God of the OT, the Savior of the NT.
Have you read the Bible?

I honestly don't mean to be rude, I am trying to get a grasp on why you (or anyone really) have no belief in God.
For me, He is my Heavenly Father. I am created in His image, and desire to spend my eternity with him, and by extrapolation with my children.

"First off I don’t think that “teaching” is a good thing to predicate “beliefs,” on. In fact while teachings are important for children, because they don’t have the experience of the development in order to ascertain the nature of reality independent of teaching, for adult, teachings can have serious negative consequence."

I think teachings are the basis of beginning to believe. If I'm not taught correct principles, I can't believe one way or another. I agree that teachings-whether to adults or children CAN have a negative impact if incorrect, false, or downright decietful things are taught. On the other hand, I delight in learning, and constantly want to be taught-either by the Scriptures, good books, or by those who are teaching. It's then my responsibility to study it out, and decide if what I've been taught is accurate. The responsibility lies with myself to learn the truth.

"It makes me sad that they missed out on some opportunities, but I can only live my life, not theirs."

Why be sad if they aren't? AND, if they are, isn't that their own weakness?
I am the mother of 7. I didn't "miss out" on anything, because I CHOSE. I WANTED to be a mother.


Imjetta
"Yes, it is selfish to pass on having children because they are noisy or expensive or whatever."

Except that no one is hurt. I am not taking anything from anyone. So... I am not selfish. I may be self-serving, but not selfish.

But even if I agree that I am selfish, my selfishness is no more than any other action I take for self which has no negative consequence to anyone else. For instance having dinner.

In fact I would argue that my eating has a more negative effect on others than my not breeding.

“Do you claim any God?”

No. But I’m also not sure what you mean by “claim.” I don’t even now what you mean by “god.”

“What are the teachings you base your beliefs on?”

First off I don’t think that “teaching” is a good thing to predicate “beliefs,” on. In fact while teachings are important for children, because they don’t have the experience of the development in order to ascertain the nature of reality independent of teaching, for adult, teachings can have serious negative consequence.

Independent verification, and duplication is the only way to ascertain the basic true of anything.

“Are you sorry your parents had a family?”

To what end would I have an opinion over a set of circumstances whose materiality I cannot alter.

It makes me sad that they missed out on some opportunities, but I can only live my life, not theirs.


Uber..
"So I made a selfish choice by sacrificing the joy of a large loving familly in my old age?"

It doesn't have to be large to be joyful. My dad was an only child, and there was plenty of love and joy.

Yes, it is selfish to pass on having children because they are noisy or expensive or whatever.
It's also arrogant to think that you have that much power to "save the environment".
Do you claim any God? What are the teachings you base your beliefs on? Are you sorry your parents had a family?

Imjetta
"Your attempt to justify your selfish choices is quite comical. Extremely sad, but comical nonetheless.

Someday when I am old and full of joy in my posterity--and I fully expect it to be a large group when we start with seven children, I will wonder about you, old and lonely."

So I made a selfish choice by sacrificing the joy of a large loving familly in my old age?

Morality of Childlessness
Uber, let me guess,you went to public schools?

Your attempt to justify your selfish choices is quite comical. Extremely sad, but comical nonetheless.

Someday when I am old and full of joy in my posterity--and I fully expect it to be a large group when we start with seven children, I will wonder about you, old and lonely.

Grape nuts & flakes
uber writes: Thursday, November, 29, 2007 9:09 AM

"Not bringing children into the world reduces the amount of stress caused by raisin children."

Son of a withered grape! As in raisin bred?

sterilization for extra credit
Hey, maybe they could use the government indoctrination and day care camps (public schools) to sterilize teens who are so noble they don't want kids. I mean, they can pass out contraceptives, help kids get abortions (trusted adult clause) and mandate shots for Venerial Diseases.


AliveInHim: Morality of Childlessness
"If, as you say, your type IS morally superior, please clue us in as to why and by whose authority you claim to be so."

"If, as you say, your type IS morally superior, please clue us in as to why and by whose authority you claim to be so."

Well it's quite simple really. "Do on to others as you would have them do onto you." This is a basic tenet predicated upon the natural law of cause and effect.

Based on the pre-stated axiom, it is more moral to do less harm.

You can not do harm to a person who does not exist.

Our society is not family of child friendly.

It is immoral to bring a child into a society which is not child friendly and which would do harm to that child.

Children leads to higher stress levels in families which has negative effects to both the children and adults.

Not bringing children into the world reduces the amount of stress caused by raisin children, to all individuals involved.

For all these reasons it is more moral to not initiate human life than to do so.

Stupid is as Stupid Does-Natural Law
Nothing surprises but Ms. Parker issued early Christmas presents. This story has legs. I intend to pass along this gem to as many people as possible. Perhaps the folks at Fox will convene a roundtable discussion--a series of discussions--to give this story it's due. It would be great if they adhered to the "Fairness Doctrine" Ms. Hagelin mentioned today.

It just wouldn't be fair to deprive liberals a chance to defend Ed, Toni, and the other two from Ms. Parker's 'biased' presentation of the facts. Worse, it would be plain mean to deny independents, conservatives, and....liberals a chance to reflect on such mind boggling sensitivity and logic.

Unhappy to be the bearer of unpleasant news, I must report we crossed the 'human life is no more important than any other life form' threshold. Sometimes, the signs of the time are hard to see. Sometimes these signs are too painful to see--thank God for denial.

A knight's jump: I wonder if Ed, Toni, et al present us an opportunity to study the effects violations of natural law have on our logic and behavior. Crime makes people stupid. It's time to use these stories to help people recognize that natural law has a sense of humor particularly when the 'Deciders' decide She doesn't exist.

Darwins "GREEN" foot...
...will step on those which not deserve
and benefit those of that which preserve
to whom will be left the world at the end?
those of which carbon off sets they spend?
Darwinism says no...ID agrees!


great article
So, the "useless eaters" of the Nazis are now "useless breathers" of the left.

Doc
Just call me Carbon Neutral.

So let it be written...

So let it be done...

Lemonade
That is STUPIDER YET! BLAMING ME because Liberals have no conscience about MURDERING babies! Those DECADES of Drug Abuse must be catching up to you!

Answers
scizzle writes: Wednesday, November, 28, 2007 9:57 PM

"Then again if enviromentalists are gone, who is going to be left to "save the planet?""

When they are gone, the planet will be safe. Remember the California wildfires and opposition to controlled burning?

whats talismans deal?
what's talisman doing calling you stupid? I didn't see anything stupid about it. It was actually quite interesting, the way you put it. It's hard to believe (or maybe not so hard) enviromentalists would kill their own kind to save the planet. Then again if enviromentalists are gone, who is going to be left to "save the planet?"

Going green
Actually, for the greater good of Mankind, it is best that these people not reproduce!!

Wall Street Gypsy

georgetwin
?????????? What does that have to do with quality? Liberals are The Baby Killers!

****

Exactly, we are the baby killers and if we no
longer have babies the world will be populated
with only Georgetwin types. Got it???

That is what I mean by "quality."

Hi YLG....
Well I have done my procreating, but we are keeping our fingers crossed for another grandbaby next year.
I know the gene pool is excellent!

Farmer's Wife
Howdy!!

This column makes me want to procreate! I swear, there is absolutely no limit to a liberal's stupidity. I sure hope the trend to sterilize themselves catches on. I don't need that kind of pee in my gene pool!

Whatever happened to...
that "Ice Age" that was predicted back in the 80's, to destroy the planet? Now they want me to believe in "Global Warming".

Sorry, didn't worry about it then and don't now. Now I do believe in taking care of what you are blessed with. Needless destruction always gets on my nerves. Like when people trim trees by chopping all the limbs off at the top of the trunk, then they sucker out all misshapen and weak. Don't like litter either.

I never heard of my carbon footprint until recently, still haven't seen any sign of it. Gee I hope it doesn't get tracked in on the carpet, bet that would be a mess.

But why not have babies? Who are they saving the planet for?

My only comment
Rot in hell, all abortionist. Infanticide is a ticket, one way for all you ghoulish murderers to hell.

Thanks
I have to give thanks, at least belatedly since the holiday has passed, for one more thing. Leftist morons eliminating themselves from the oh so shallow end of the gene pool. Please, all leftists, follow this magnificent example of self elimination. Reduce that carbon footprint some more, I'll cheer you on.

Vasectomy and Lobotomy
Georgetwin writes: Wednesday, November, 28, 2007 3:07 PM

"Uber got a package deal
Vasectomy and Lobotomy."

Slip of the knife - they were in the area.

Rich D
Oh, my goodness!! That is screamingly funny!!!

I saw the word "carbine" and thought, "what the hey, a gun??"

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

This guy is funny!
uber writes: Wednesday, November, 28, 2007 5:40 PM

"My walk both lowers my carbine foot print...."

So, he's armed, but sawed off the barrel?

"Eating Organic...

I'm willing to bet that nobody's food is inorganic.

"I get healthy food,":

I'm also willing to bet that all his food is DEAD before he eats it, like ours.

Go forth and multiply?
Bostguy. I don't know what you think JO means. Its just my name.

Rob, Shrinque, AliveInHim, et al:

The guy who wrote 'go forth & multiply' is probably spinning in his grave now. They didn't even have the notion of the number 'billion' back then.

Sure, you can fit the worlds population in Texas, but that has no real effect on how much of the world's limited resources are used per person.

You cannot deny that we can't breed without limit forever, so whats the limit? 10 billion, 100 billion, a trillion. Or maybe its was 2 billion.

You don't have a clue! You are just WISHING we have not exceeded it yet.

dyerje
that was funny, tho' they may be awhile thinking on it!

Free Ramos and Compean
If we can’t have HOME SECURITY first, the rest just don’t matter!
Hunter/Tancredo 2008!
http://www.gohunter08.com
http://www.ontheissues.org/Duncan_Hunter.htm
Hunter’s best quote: Move away from the Ted Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. (Jun 2007)
To libs there is no lie, it is expedient exaggeration!

But its a such a GOOD idea
I think these good people have gone a long way to reaffirm Darwin's theory of natural selection.

Its not so much that these folks are pro-wildlife as they are oddly anti-human.

I guess this is just nature's way of culling out part of the left-wing fringe from the gene pool.

Well, I AM totally jazzed
... about this carbon neutrality thing.

It seems to be a matter of self-assessment, with no objective standard. It can also be achieved no matter how much carbon you're responsible for emitting.

Works for me. If Toni Vernelli can declare herself carbon neutral, so can I.

Your people will be hearing from mine.


Risk management
Win, Win, Win, Win. When was the last time you had that much control over your food?

"After all, if "lower population" is the answer to "pollution", it's only fair to ask why you haven't reduced yourself to basic carbon elements by now."

It's fair for you to ask. My answer is I choose to live.

I care about the world only in so much as I believe impacts my life.

I'm an environmentalist, for human selfish reasons.

Even my choosing to not have children has nothing to do really with population.

The reason I don't want children is cause they are expensive and needy. They are an economic drain I don't want. They would stress me out. And generally make my life very unhappy.

I love being an Uncle. I get to be cool with the kids and when they get annoying they go back to their parents.

It's another Win Win situation.

AliveInHim: Maximize personal benefit.
"If industrialized living with a smaller population is better, why not be the first to set the example and eliminate your own carbon footprint from the equation,"

I don't believe that zero carbon in the answer and I don't believe that my environmental impact both carbon and otherwise is in conflict with my survival or happiness.

Take one change I have made. I have chosen to live in waking distance from my work. I walk about a mile or so both ways. Even in the rain, and when it's ten below zero. I dress appropriately and am very comfortable.

My walk both lowers my carbine foot print, lowers my stress since I can think and unwind after working, and it keeps me in shape.

It's a win win win.


Take a another choice I make. Eating Organic and shopping and volunteering for a discount at a coop.

I get healthy food, Locally gown, 20 percent off by grocery bill, and control over business decision via voting for the board where I can sit in and have at board meetings.

The Vegans Aren't Serious
If they really want to "save the planet" they would both kill themselves. I'll bet they are against that move. I'll also bet their dead child would be against them killing him/her.

Life is sacred if its your own. Savages don't respect other peoples lives. Even the lives of their own children!!!

Georgetwin
I find it extremely ironic that these are the kind of people who worship Gaia, the goddess of the Earth, and yet are clueless to the story that she birthed more than 40 children!!!

Georgetwin, wildwest
It would seem that the road to H3ll is indeed paved with good intentions, doesn't it?


Lemonade
?????????? What does that have to do with quality? Liberals are The Baby Killers!

mrs aesop
the terminally stupid alas cannot be saved from themselves. like a moth to a flame their course of action is pre-determined. But then it does provide the other a new cause to cry over and new matyrs to honor.

Georgetwin
"The fewer children that Liberals have, the better of America will be. These are probably the same idiots that worry about Polar Bears drowning."

*******

This is an example of the quality of life that we
would have if Conservatives were the only breeders!

I shudder to think about it.

The silly woman who got a hysterectomy
In regard to the silly woman who got a hysterectomy to "save the planet,' speaking for the planet[well--everyone else does!] we are deeply grateful. Speaking for the gene pool, we are thrilled. Much less mess to clean up. Much smarter babies in the future, without those silly genes to overcome.

Marianne Matthews

Uber got a package deal
Vasectomy and Lobotomy.

Uber is correct
uber writes: Wednesday, November, 28, 2007 1:28 PM

"I am fortunate to live in an age and society of unparalleled bounty, beauty and success, in which conservatives chastise Liberals for enjoying the fruits of our labors."

We conservatives do indeed chastise liberals for enjoying the fruits of OUR labors. So, stop the forced unconstitutional redistribution schemes.

uber
I never said I didn't want the leftists to breed. That is their decision, not mine. I only claimed they have a tendency to believe in weird things. People's personal lives are their responsibility not mine. But it does appear that the left is chosing to limit their own numbers, which is again their decision

Uber
You really like yanking peoples' chains, don't you? :) OK, I'll yank back!

If, as you say, your type IS morally superior, please clue us in as to why and by whose authority you claim to be so.

If industrialized living with a smaller population is better, why not be the first to set the example and eliminate your own carbon footprint from the equation, thereby reducing the "harm" done to the "environment" even further? After all, if "lower population" is the answer to "pollution", it's only fair to ask why you haven't reduced yourself to basic carbon elements by now.

You really DO believe that the Indians' Rain Dance worked!! LOL LOL!!!



Oh Frog
That was so naughty but soooo funny!

on a similar note
Then I guess gay couples are the most responsible carbon footprinters since they dont expand the race at all. Al Gore must be a rainbow warrior!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

uber states:
"I find that les intrusive than forcing my partner to have to choose between a baby and abortion."

Silly uber, your male partner can't have a baby anyway. Just are you people being taught in publik skools anyway?

Uber:If God...
I guess there's a difference we'll have to agree to disagree on--Faith.
I see evidence of God's existence in everything.
I see it in the details of the human body, I see it in a sunset, I see it in the blessings of health and even in "middle income-ness". I don't have to see Him to know He is there.
The "evidence" is there for those who desire to see it. It's not about intellecutalism, it's about the heart.

Imjetta: If god is in charge
If god is in charge then no one is in charge, cause there is no evidence that god even exists.

Be fruitless and happy
If God?

A. there is no evidence for god
And
B. Humans have done more remarkable things.

"The point is, if you'd care to really see it, that we are just as much a part of nature as anything else that walks, creeps, swims or flies."

Which is why we can effect nature.

"Do you really want to go back to pre-industrial living?"

No I want industrial living with a smaller population. Who said anything about pre industrial living? Except conservatives who think the bible is the only book we need and scientific discoveries which contradict the bible shouldn't be taught in school.

science and god
"It is the height of stupidity and hubris to believe that we can influence climate or anything else on this earth, much less "destroy" as you put it, the world our children will inherit."

By destroy the world. I'm think more along the line of destroying civilization, not "the world."

I couldn't care less about the world.

It's the nature of existence I care about, not existence itself.

I am fortunate to live in an age and society of unparalleled bounty, beauty and success, in which conservatives chastise Liberals for enjoying the fruits of our labors.

I know this progress is unsustainable. I know that the American way of life is not sustainable for 6 billion people, much less, 12 billion coming up?

So I make the logical choice to do no harm and not reproduce.

I don't ask others to do so... I say reproduce at will...

"Nobody is criticizing those who choose not to have children."

Yes they are?

"The criticism lies against those who smugly claim a kind of moral superiority in not having children in order to "save the planet"."

We are morally superior.

"Puleeze. In the Biblical account, as in most creation accounts, including that of evolution, it is clear that the world was here first. Methinks that if God could and did create and place it in space, does now sustain it, and will eventually decide when to end it, it really is not likely that we can do much either way to truly affect it."




The Stupidest
There are those of us who firmly believe that the commandment to "Multiply and Replenish the Earth" is still in effect. No where in the Bible does it say "Ok, do it your way".
We have seven children, and if it weren't for two miscarriages, we'd have two more.
God is in charge, and only He will decide when this earth is finished. He created all of this for US. There isn't much we can do to "save" the earth. Yes we have to be good stewards, but that does not mean worshiping the earth. We are to worship Him.
Those who claim moral superiority for reducing their carbon footprint make me nauseous.

If europe becaome unpopulated...
Why not move back?

Save it from the Muslims.

wildwest
And the rest-

Why do you want Leftists to breed?

You hate them. You want them gone.

Why do you want them to procreate.

Are you secretly afraid that when the left is gone you'll live in the stone ages cause you won't have anyone to turn to bail you out for your stupid choices.

It almost seams like the Conservative dream is to be ruled by Leftists, so that you know science and progress are going to be ok, and you can indulge your superstitions and fantasies.

Uber

Nobody is criticizing those who choose not to have children. The criticism lies against those who smugly claim a kind of moral superiority in not having children in order to "save the planet". Puleeze. In the Biblical account, as in most creation accounts, including that of evolution, it is clear that the world was here first. Methinks that if God could and did create and place it in space, does now sustain it, and will eventually decide when to end it, it really is not likely that we can do much either way to truly affect it.

The point is, if you'd care to really see it, that we are just as much a part of nature as anything else that walks, creeps, swims or flies. Do you really want to go back to pre-industrial living? Was that, with all its attendant filth and disease, really the better, more "natural" way to live?

It is the height of stupidity and hubris to believe that we can influence climate or anything else on this earth, much less "destroy" as you put it, the world our children will inherit.

Please explain how it is that the fuels and oils in all the planes, ships and submarines bombed in WWII have long since been cleansed away BY NATURE. Please explain how it is that we've gone from being warned of the coming of global cooling a mere thirty years ago to the current fantasy that we are now "threatened" by Earth's having warmed exactly ONE DEGREE in one hundred years. Please explain how it is possible that we are still "warming" when in fact the median temp has been stable since 1997, with the warmest year on record being 1934. And again, just what is the "ideal" temperature of Earth supposed to be, especially given the climate zones that do exist? And who gets to decide?

the stupidest
why do they always seem to be liberals. It seems that everytime you read about some selfish illogical act the leftists libs are all over place. Satellite has been running a story about the nutcase who co-founded peta. She claims that in her will she has left instructions that part of her skin be served up at some barbeque. It sdeems whenever anything that most serious persons wouldn't consider on a bet the libs come forward with eye-witnesses to make their case. Presidential candidate wacko, dennis, i'm a nut case, kooks in it, tells of his experiences with ufo's. Rosie's tells of her "theories" and the wacky left believes she knows more than those with advanced degrees in metalurgy. Is there anything that the leftists/libs can't be led by the nose to believe and start movements for

Survival of the Stupidest
Kathleen Parker let me congratulate you on your perfect title.

I to am a vegetarian who doesn't believe in reproduction.

All the conservatives out there can be thankful that I will never have children cause I have had a vasectomy.

I find that les intrusive than forcing my partner to have to choose between a baby and abortion.

I am pro life and there for apposed to abortion. I just also happen to be apposed to conception.

As to who will inherit the world I save?

You will. Yes I feel safe in the knowledge that you stupid conservatives are breeding like rabbits cause you can't keep your legs crossed despite abstinence training, and you don't know what a condom is. Yes you will be able to reproduce your stupidity but luckily I won't need to feel guilty that when you destroy the world my offspring need to suffer as a result.

JO
Interesting how you make the assertion that those who come after will find "the ruins of a civilization that overtaxed the planet". How will they be able to tell?

Then what about the ancient Greeks? The Romans? The Mayans? The Chinese empires? Did they also "overtax the planet", and in so doing, disappeared?

A few questions for those who really believe we are "overtaxing the planet".

1) What is the Earth's ideal temperature supposed to be, and who gets to decide?

2) If you really believe that man can influence climate, you must also believe that the Indians' Rain Dance works, yes?

Amperro
Stunned correctly pointed out that you completely missed the point of the article. Couples who choose not to have children are not to be compared here.
The two couples referred to in this article removed children from their life so they would not contribute to their carbon footprint. Then you wrote:
"But I guess I am an idiot if I think I will ever have an intelligent discussion on this forum."
You can! Write something intelligent, and we will discuss it. I recommend you write about something that was actually "in" the article.

Excellent post, Ms. Parker...
Here's my favorite line:

"What I'm nostalgic for is sanity."

Me too!



Stunned
"Amperro, you idiot..."

Really mature.

"These people use the reason of global warming (a scam) to justify taking an innocent life."

I never said that global warming (scam or not) justifies taking an innocent life. In fact, I feel most abortions are not justified. Not that I EVER said otherwise.

"And then reward themselves with an airplane trip a year."

That is very very wrong. I neither do that nor advocate that.

"If you can't see the irony in this"

Well, I CAN see the irony in this. When did I say I couldn't?

"...then congratulations! You're a liberal!"

NO, I AM NOT! Stop inferring things just because you think I made a point that I did not. I never said abortion is good for the environment. I find that most "environmentalists" are bad for the planet. And I have not voted for a Democratic Candidate in well over a decade. I SAID that not everyone who is childless is necessarily selfish.

But I guess I am an idiot if I think I will ever have an intelligent discussion on this forum.

Idiocy Never Sleeps
All I have to say is: Anyone remember the film Logans Run?

Well
I guess my husband and I are going to leave a humongous carbon footprint, we've been married 46 years, 5 kids and one adopted; and grandparents of 15, ages 22 (in the Navy) to preborn, due in Feb. And the only time I was ever out of this country was accompanying my husband on a business trip to New Brunswick. I love to travel, would love to go back to my ancestral homeland, Britain but if it meant not having my gang..no way. We don't have much money but we are among the richest people in this country. And yeah, if these nitwits keep up
eliminating themselves, this country will get back to it's roots and to sanity.

Would the Earth be better off?
"If we're not saving the planet for our kids, for whom are we saving it?"

The more radical environmentalists have asserted that the planet Earth was better off before humans evolved, and would be better off if humanity disappeared. Dr. John Orrock says, "The sad truth is, once the humans get out of the picture, the outlook starts to get a lot better." Some have even advocated the deliberate spreading of human epidemics to radically reduce the size of the human population.



Making room for the Muslims
What complete morons these European (and American) Lefties are. Are they blind to what is going on around them? They are in catastrophic demographic decline throughout Europe and they want to help the process along to "protect the planet"? A recent article in a German newspaper said the German population was in an irreversible collapse and that by 2050 1/3 of all children born in Europe would be Muslims, who BTW don't share the Lefty concerns about carbon footprints. People like this are making it easier for native Europeans to be replaced by a people that definitely believe in procreation and God's command to 'go forth and multiply'. Buh bye Europe!

Jeanne-marie
After reading your post and your involvment with special needs children via your education, I thought I'd pass along something that may be of interest to you. Check out the website http://www.jesusprom.org. A number of years ago, one of the ministers at our church took the teaching in Luke 14 literally. The scripture reads like this:
"When you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed. Although they cannot repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous. - Luke 14:13-14 (NIV)"

Every year, our church has a special party for the special needs people in our area. Literally thousands of people attend. If you are interested in holding a Jesus Prom, our church would be more than happy to help you.

Bless you for your compassion!

Sgt Relic
The fewer children that Liberals have, the better of America will be. These are probably the same idiots that worry about Polar Bears drowning.

The way I see it...
...these non-breeding folks are improving the environment for my grandchildren. ; >)

Logan's Run
The model of the perfect world for modernists. No one lives past 30.

Thank you, Ms. Parker. I always enjoy your perspective.

jerseyvet
Those of us who have children and grandchildren are saying "yes" to the universe. "Be fruitful and multiply." Those who decline to have children or abort them are saying "no." Guess who is going to inherit the world.

Having children is an affirmation that life is good.

****

It is a nice sentiment, but probably not accurate. I had children because I wanted children. I wanted my life to be good and I thought that for many reasons it would be better with children. For that I have not been wrong.

But for a huge number of people in this world,
life is not good. And we all know that. We don't
know, however, if it will be good for the child.



JO
does JO mean what i think it does?

Congratulations, Ms. Vermicelli!
When you aborted your child, you killed the future-genius who would have grown up with the passion, the understanding, and the know-how to solve this "global warming" crisis. No, I can't prove your child was "the one", but then, you can't prove he wasn't. Oh. Wait a minute. Based on your (and your partner's) genetic material, maybe you COULD prove that there is no way on God's green earth that YOUR child could have justified his own carbon footprint.

"The population problem," JO?
What "population problem"?

I did the math some years ago, and figured out that every human being on this earth could be brought to the forty-eight contiguous United States and each one would have one-third of an acre of space to her- or himself. That would include children and infants. And that would be true only if those 48 contiguous states were flat as pancakes. Add in the land area provided by hills, valleys, mountains, canyons, etc., and there is much more space available.

And, by the way, your "Econ 101" "reasoning" is way off. For one, we all know that demand, rather than supply, sets the price/value. More importantly, human beings are not products and the principle you cite does not even apply.

talisman
Huh? if you are going to take the time to post please make it understandable to the people from THIS planet.

Two More Things:
All these people who say they are making a smaller carbon footprint, I don’t have a problem with that. The thing is that most of them are like Al Bore and really do not. All they do is talk and want the rest of us to go back to the caves. When Bore gives up his 30 something room house and jet trips and quits riding around in SUV’s then maybe I will give up one or two things. As we know this won’t happen, so I am not worried about that. One thing that does bother me is the fact that we will never know how many Einstein’s or Mozart’s, or the like have been lost to abortion. That is the saddest fact in this discussion of abortion. Well that and abortion is really state sanctioned murder!

Free Ramos and Compean
If we can’t have HOME SECURITY first, the rest just don’t matter!
Hunter/Tancredo 2008!
http://www.gohunter08.com
http://www.ontheissues.org/Duncan_Hunter.htm
Hunter’s best quote: Move away from the Ted Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. (Jun 2007)
To libs there is no lie, it is expedient exaggeration!

Just who will have children?
The people who will have children are the people whose religion tells them to. So there is a natural selection for the religious. Of course the if environmentalist religion tells you not to have children it might cancel out.

How many?
Economic theory 101 tells us that the more you have of something, the less each unit is worth. People are no exception to this rule.

Congratulations to these women and everybody who has the forsight & good sense to not worsen the population problem.

Kathleen and everyone who agreed with her here, how stupid will the human race seem to whoever discovers the ruins of a civilization that overtaxed the planet and went extinct?

Wouldn't that be the ultimate Darwin award?

Rainbow Six
Give those self-righteous twits their Darwin Awards then pick up a copy of Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six for a look at the next, logical step for those convinced that mankind is a blight on the earth.

Those fools picture some sort of idyllic future for the earth without understanding that they have killed their only chance of having a future at all.

In truth they care nothing for the earth and nothing for nature but only for their own, selfish egos. Nature loves life and reproduces in great abundance. Children ARE the future.

Heh, heh.
I love Parker's sharp wit.

But I guess that these people who are "saving the enviornment" are betting on the fact that plenty of other people are having children.

So they're just taking their own genes out of the system and making it better for someone else.

How nice of them.

Don't stop now
Some people are truely worried about the effect man has on the planet. Rather than wringing their hands and crying themselves to sleep these people did something about it. Unfurtunately they didn't do enough. If they truly believed the bovine excretement they put out they would have gone the extra step and performed a retroactive abortion on themselves.

I can almost guarantee that this ultimate action would have earned them a Darwin award and a place in eco-history.

Kathleen
Seriously, do you want such vapid self-centered lonny toons to reproduce? This must be survival of the fittest ( i.e. not stupid ) at work. I think we should all be grateful that people with such low IQ's choose NOT to grace us with their off-spring.

We Must Do Something
We must do something, join a support group, have the children go to grief counseling, hug a tree, hug a volcano --- whoops. I meant to say, plug, not hug a volcano. I think we should plug volcanos with cement or horse/cow manure. Compare the CO2 of volcanos with the CO2 from autos. You think Algore would trade his house carbon footprint for mine? Still waiting Al.

Talisman.........
Is it too late for you to self-abort? I can tell from the contents of your comments on TH you're NOT making any contribution to the universal gene pool, significant or otherwise.

Survival of the Stupidest?
Dear Mrs. Parker,
I fail to see how it is Survival of the Stupidest.
It looks to me more like Darwin awards nomination.
I am glad that liberals do this. This improves the humanity's gene pool. If we could only convince all environmentalists to do this ... we would leave Earth to our children in better condition than now.

30 years ago
I was 24 and positive that I wouldn't be a good father. I warned every girl that I dated that if she wanted kids she should find someone else. The woman I married never raised the subject but she was more than happy when, at 32, I mentioned that maybe we could "talk" about having kids she assured me that she thought I'd make a great dad. My daughter and son have brought more joy to my life than any big house or BMW ever could have.

Now may daughter is engaged. I'm hoping that she won't have any kids - until she's SURE that she wants them.

Say "Yes" to the Universe
Those of us who have children and grandchildren are saying "yes" to the universe. "Be fruitful and multiply." Those who decline to have children or abort them are saying "no." Guess who is going to inherit the world.

Having children is an affirmation that life is good. Those who decline to have children should actually be presented with the Darwin Award because they have relieved the gene pool of their anti-life philosophy.

It is fortunate for us that, happily, many of those who make that decision are life deniers and misanthropes who wax eloquent about the earth and the universe but just can't tolerate all those messy, energy-consuming people who want to enjoy its bounties.



A modest Proposal
some cultures closer to Mother Earth have other ideas, which we should consider.

No meal is more delish than a three- to five-year-old child suitably fattened. Maybe concerned liberals could breed, raise, and ship such delicacies to indigenous peoples and thus help preserve cultures under threat from development and Christianity.

Kathleen Parker, stupid? Blasphemy!
Talisman,

I'm curious. What is Ms. Parker's "character flaw," the one you were hoping she'd finally "call out?" Please enlighten us.

And to the rest of you who are flogging Parker for suggesting that EVERYONE should procreate... reread her article, please. She is not criticizing anyone for not having children. She is merely pointing out the irony of going childless to "save the planet" for future generations, and calling BS on the ridiculous notion that having children is "selfish" while refraining to do so is some virtuous act of self-sacrifice. Anyone who's ever raised a child knows that this is pure hogwash.

Bravo, Ms. Parker, to another smart, stylish, dead-on analysis. You are the best of what Townhall has to offer!

And another thing
This morning I heard about a protest because a food bank (free food for those who procreate without thinking how they will feed the offspring) will be moving to a location that will require the beggars to take a street car rather than simply walk to the Goodie Dispensing Station. So now they not only protest that they ought not to have to feed their children, but they should not even have to exert any effort to get free food! Survival of the stupid, indeed.

If you do not want children
then you should not have them. Having dealt for a lifetime with the relentless pressure to get married (and resisted it by reading the papers or watching the news and seeing yet another woman murdered by yet another spouse, ex spouse, boy friend or lover), I applaud those who have found a novel excuse to hand those hounding them to procreate regardless of their own desires.

Yes, the simple declaration that one does not want children ought to be enough. But frankly, the relentless hammering by those around one, especially the mothers and mothers in law, gets tiresome and boring -- and one does get tired of hearing that if Mom had to choose between a daughter receiving the Nobel Peace Prize in Chemistry and a daughter in labour, she would streak for the labour room without a second thought.

I am impressed by the ingenuity of those who have declared that they will not procreate because they want to save the planet. Maybe Mom and Mom in Law will accept that answer.

P.S. As far as *having a fortune with nobody to leave it to*, I plan to leave mine to Guy Cosmo Racing. Perhaps that relative of yours that you envy has a charity or a good cause she values to leave her fortune to, as well.

It's in the Planning
Dear Ms. Parker,

I have a child, only one, I regret, although trul;y a gift from God, And I remember so many moments we shared, an incredible time in my life, and he continues to be an incredible addition to my life, I know I could barely live if anything should happen to him.

I had a cousin 10 years older than me. She had a bachelor's degree from UCONN inPhilosophy and got a job as a social worker. Her husband was an attorney. After several years of waiting, her parents finally asked them when they were going to have children, and they told them never, not in a world like this, that was 40 years ago. So they went on their way making lots of money buying up real estate as investments, and now are free to retire and just travel the world. Now they have a fortune and no child to leave it to.

Well, I have a master's degree in special education, and in a way, all my students are my children no matter how old they are, and I care for them, bring them surprises, have birthday parties with a gift, Gifts at the Holidays, a Treasure Chest, Weekly Drawings, and I get paid $24,000 a year. I will certainly not be traveling the world when I retire, and maybe I won't retire, not sure I can afford it, but that'ss a tale of two cousins, one who has gained substantial fortune in money in a life time, and one who has been blessed with a blessing of a son, now 24, and the friendships of dozzens and dozens of adult clients, who worry whn I'm sick, and hug me when they leave class. They invite me to share their lives, and I do as much as possible. It's a very different future for me.

Well, Ms. Parker, that's all I really wanted to say. Have a Wonderful Wednesday!

Amperro, you idiot...
want an explanation? These people use the reason of global warming (a scam) to justify taking an innocent life. And then reward themselves with an airplane trip a year. If you can't see the irony in this; then congratulations! You're a liberal!

Survival of the stupidest.
I'm actually glad that these people choose to sterilize themselves. It makes it all the less likely that their form of sanity will take root in our society.

Yet another underhanded attack
I expect this kind of idiocy from Pat Buchanan, Maggie Gallagher, or Don Feder. I had hoped for something better from Kathleen Parker.


Not all people that fail to procreate are narcissistic. Of those that are, do you really want such people procreating? The same conservatives that say "Be Fruitful and Multiply" also say "Don't Breed Them If You Can't Feed Them". Newsflash! Some people can't feed them! Are these people selfish for not having children they can't support? Also, is it worse to have kids out of wedlock or not have kids while married? And what about people who are childless because they are voluntarily celibate? Or INVOLUNTARILY celibate (Was "The 40 Year Old Virgin" a narcissist?)? Or if they are infertile but refuse fertility treatments?

Could somebody explain this to me?




Stupidest is as stupidest does
And sometimes stupidest write columns.

And here I thought this was a come to Jesus moment for Parker - that she'd finally call out her own character flaw.
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