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Friday, August 17, 2007
Kathleen Parker :: Townhall.com Columnist
Oh, Allah, Won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz?
by Kathleen Parker
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WASHINGTON -- It was bound to happen -- and it seems fitting that a cleric named Tiny would think of it.

Roman Catholic Bishop Tiny Muskens of the Netherlands has decided that the way to ease Muslim-Everybody Else tensions is to start using "Allah" instead of "God." Noting that God does not care what we call him, Muskens thought, why not yield a little to Muslim ways?

Or would that be submit, the literal meaning of "Islam"?

"Allah is a very beautiful word for God," Muskens said on Dutch television a few days ago. "Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah?"

Muskens pointed out that in Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim country where he spent eight years, priests use the word "Allah" in Catholic Mass.

For the sake of peace, prosperity and clarity in the shire, let the record reflect that Muslims did not ask for this, though some in the Netherlands embraced the idea as a conciliatory gesture and in the U.S., some Muslims greeted the suggestion with enthusiasm.

Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, told FoxNews.com that calling God "Allah" wouldn't require a theological leap for Christians. "It reinforces the fact that Muslims, Christians and Jews all worship the same God," Hooper said. It's not hard to understand why Muskens would tilt toward compromise. The Netherlands, which is now home to 1 million Muslims, hasn't been quite the peace 'n' love axis of the multicultural world, despite clouds of Silver Blue cannabis wafting from the city's famously mellow coffee houses.

Between the 2004 murder of Theo van Gogh, guilty of making a documentary film critical of Islam, death threats against fellow documentarian Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and the recent Muslim attack of the head of a Dutch group for "ex-Muslims," one could begin to think of invoking Allah as a savvy survival technique.

Besides, as Muskens pointed out, Allah is a lovely sounding word. Thus, in the spirit of Christian charity and Western tolerance, I've been trying it out with mixed results.

The Doxology of my Protestant childhood is problematic with the two-syllable Allah instead of the monosyllabic God, but not impossible: Praise Allah, from whom all blessings flow. Praise him, all creatures here below. Not perfect, but workable.

America's familiar childhood blessing is downright euphonious: Allah is great, Allah is good, let us thank him for our food. But the Apostle's Creed is a mess: I believe in Allah the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ his only son ... . Oops.

Contrary to Hooper's one-God claim, Christians and Muslims don't really worship the same God. Although both religions are monotheistic -- and if there's just one God, there's just one God -- Christians believe Jesus was the Son of God and Muslims think otherwise.

That's not a small doctrinal difference. In fact, at the risk of exhausting the obvious, Christianity doesn't exist without, um, Christ. Of course we could rewrite the Apostle's Creed to include Muhammad: "I believe in Allah the Father Almighty ... and in Muhammad, his favorite prophet ... "

The possibilities are infinite, really. Alternatively, we could pretend to be sane and suggest that everybody go to his or her own house of worship, pray to his or her own version of the Creator, and otherwise get a grip.

Changing Western language, symbols and making other accommodations to ease relations between old Europe and new isn't only a conciliatory gesture or even mere appeasement. It is submission by any other name.

Language may be a manmade limitation, as Janaan Hashim said, speaking for the Council of Islamic Organizations of Greater Chicago, which endorses Muskens' idea. But language is not meaningless. The words we use to define and express ourselves are the fundaments of cultural and social identity. John Stuart Mill put it this way: "Language is the light of the mind."

Muskens, who retires in a few weeks, conceded that his idea likely wouldn't catch on right away. We might need another 100 years or so, but he predicted that, eventually, Allah will be the word.

Given that European Muslims are procreating at three times the rate of non-Muslims -- and given the "logarithmic rate" of growth of jihadist ideology in the U.S., according to a new report by the New York Police Department's Intelligence Division -- it may be sooner than that.

Peace be upon us.

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Allah - just a regular god...
Yes, start using the name Allah when you pray, for Allah is the same entity as your god. Just as with the omnipotent being you pray to, Allah directs us to slaughter non believers, regard women as livestock, and sell our daughters like used cars.

Allah tells us that it is our duty to strap bombs onto ourselves and our children, and then detonate the munitions in crowds of civilians.

Allah's word is one of virulent hatred for all who do not believe as Muslim clerics dictate, and Allah calls for us to slit the throats of those who will not convert.

Allah demands that we incinerate the planet with nuclear blasts as a way of punishing our enemies.

Allah is just like your god.

Loyal Muslim
First of all God created Life..Would it not be stupid to take something away that God himself created? I'm interested in seeing your answer to this.

Much too high
An aspiration for poor old allah to be called God.

I know he wants to be above God, but thankfully to God he is just allah, and whose judgment I do not care to share.

For this "priest", he is welcome to do as he wishes.

I prefer to obey what God said His name is.



Ge 35:11 -
And God said unto him, I am God Almighty:

Isa 42:8 -
I am the LORD: that is my name:

and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
--------

And allah came from a graven image, just one of the 360 or so in ancient Mecca, but the preferred one by the "prophet".

allah the moon god
Allah - the Moon God

The Archeology of The Middle East
The religion of Islam has as its focus of worship a deity by the name of "Allah." The Muslims claim that Allah in pre-Islamic times was the biblical God of the Patriarchs, prophets, and apostles. The issue is thus one of continuity. Was "Allah" the biblical God or a pagan god in Arabia during pre- Islamic times? The Muslim's claim of continuity is essential to their attempt to convert Jews and Christians for if "Allah" is part of the flow of divine revelation in Scripture, then it is the next step in biblical religion. Thus we should all become Muslims. But, on the other hand, if Allah was a pre- Islamic pagan deity, then its core claim is refuted. Religious claims often fall before the results of hard sciences such as archeology. We can endlessly speculate about the past or go and dig it up and see what the evidence reveals. This is the only way to find out the truth concerning the origins of Allah. As we shall see, the hard evidence demonstrates that the god Allah was a pagan deity. In fact, he was the Moon-god who was married to the sun goddess and the stars were his daughters.

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm

Sheepdog
"Loyal Muslim" writes in a manner suspiciously like that of "Loyal Democrat". This manner is commonly called "satire" and you should not take any of it seriously.

I'll concede this far:"The TRIUNE Allah"
Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, the one true Allah.

Why can't Allah empower the muslims??
I have always wondered that because it seems "Allah" is nowhere to be found when
the Israeli military whoops the pants off the Muslims maybe he's a theological figment...
(or maybe "Allah" is Jewish)

It will be...
...a cold day in hell (where allah and all his adherents dwell) before I call God Almighty anything but God Almighty. Do these idiot priests actually read the bible before they blather such nonsense?

Just when you think
you've heard the stupidest thing in the world like AGW or scamnesty, you're proven wrong.

The liberal "mind" knows no bounds to its idiocy.


All the Same
Allah, Satan, Beelzebub...three names for one malevolent entity.

What really amazes me
is that there are politically correct sheep that will actually do what this joker says.

Jihadist World View
MarkJ responds to Sheepdog that, "'Loyal Muslim' writes in a manner suspiciously like that of 'Loyal Democrat'. This manner is commonly called 'satire' and you should not take any of it seriously."

You are correct, sir. And it is great satire by Loyal Muslim in that it brings out a brilliant point: the Jihadists will indeed do as Allah tells him or her to do. They want Jihad, they want Sharia Law (where we will all be dhummis, subservient to Muslims), they want to have all submit to Allah-- and by the sword if necessary.

And the so-called "peaceful Muslims" who are actually just sitting on the sidelines will embrace Sharia if it is put into place by the Jihadists. They will not stand in its way, as evidenced by what is present in Muslim lands today.

So my only disagreement with MarkJ is that we should take this seriously. Loyal Muslim, great job.

alex

"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father but through Me." ~~Jesus, in John 14v6. Sounds like Christianity and Islam are at opposite ends here. Jesus can't be God and not-God at the same time, so one of them has to be wrong...

Kathleen.....
...you're the best.

We're already there
Hasn't anyone noticed that the opposite is already being done by the media? "Allah ahkbar!" (forgive my spelling) when yelled by a Muslim is always translated "God is great!" Listen to anyone speaking Arabic as they are translated. When the word "Allah" comes off of their tongue it will always be translated "God" by our media. The logical conclusion is for the invertebrates who claim to be Christian to acquiesce, or worse, mollify the Islamic wing by using "Allah" instead.

Here's an idea: Why don't the Muslims start using the word "God" instead of "Allah"? It's shorter, for one thing, having only one syllable as opposed to two, and you can use it when when you are either exasperated ("Oh my Allah" just doesn't have a ring to it) or when someone sneezes ("Allah bless you"?).

Romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of CHRIST (emphasis mine), for it is the power of GOD unto salvation . . ."

As for me and my house
Choose ye this day whom you will serve. AS FOR ME AND MY HOUSE, WE WILL SERVE THE LORD. Thus spake Joshua in the elder days, and thus I still declare.

I will not put so much as a pinch of incense on the altar of the Emperor...following in the steps of the Holy Martyrs who were offered a similar deal and chose to remain faithful.

For, as Jesus reminded us, what shall it profit a man if he gain the whole world and lose his immortal soul?

Just forget it, drop the subject, and move on.

Actions define a name
Have you noticed how a child can define a name? When naming your child, how many names did you reject automatically because you knew a "Heather" e.g., who was a tyrant and you could not bring yourself to call your child by the same name?

The name of allah has been defined by his reported actions and the actions of the adherents to that name. You certainly cannot call allah "God", he is not all-powerful. And since God is not a malevolent Being, I will not call God "allah".


LD, are you expanding ..
.. the 'Loyal' franchise?

If so, here are some ideas:

Loyal Environmentalist
Loyal Socialist
Loyal Jihadist

My friends all drive Porsches...
I've never heard of the triune Allah. Maybe Jaweh works for more folks, but God works for me.

What's in a name?
That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet, but doing so can really complicate a trip to the florist.

Hey, who’s this Jehovah I keep hearing about?

someone doesn't CAIR to tell the truth
--- Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, told FoxNews.com that calling God "Allah" wouldn't require a theological leap for Christians. "It reinforces the fact that Muslims, Christians and Jews all worship the same God," Hooper said. ---

Riiiiight. And you really do believe that, too, don't you, Ibrahim?

Tell it to Osama bin Hidin and I'm sure he will cease and desist immediately.

Appeasement = appeasement
God = God. Allah = ? Considering that Christianity and Judaism predated Islam by hundreds and thousands of years respectively, Islam might want to ditch Allah and worship God. Oh yeah, forgot, the new kid on the block is a bully.

Allah, Won't You Buy Me a Mercedes Benz
The demographic trends regarding Islam and the Old Western World are truly alarming. The birthrate among old Europeans and those of their progeny living in other lands is pathetically low for sure. All of this being a result of buying into the Secular Humanist Worldview. But, there is a huge story not being told...

The growth of Bible Believing Christianity in what used to be considered "the Third World" is a huge and under reported phenomonon. In Africa, in the shadows within China (about 200,000,000 hidden Bible Christians now), in South America,certain hot spots within India, and other places, many of them quite hidden at present, there is a massive explosion of life changing conversions to total faith in Jesus Christ as the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

There are well attested and numerous signs and wonders which read just like the Book of Acts. In places such as Ivory Coast and Ethiopia, there are massive numbers of Muslims converting too, some after a supernatural encounter with Jesus Christ, such as a vision or a healing from certain death from some hideous disease.

The net numbers are huge, especially below the equator and in non-Westernized areas above it. South Korea is an exception, being somewhat Westernized, but having gone from less than 1% Bible believing Christians in 1950 to more than 40% today.

Taken in the aggregate, with the hidden (but documented) aspects of this growth lumped in with the open aspects, the expansion of Bible Christianity, by means of freely chosen conversion, is vastly outstripping the growth of Islam. This is no surprise to me, because almighty God the Father is behind this, and he has more persuasive power than all the guns, knives, bombs, and propaganda on Earth. He also has a better message of forgiveness, adoption into God's eternal family, and everlasting, loving, amazing life!


Allah
and God are not the same. If the Catholic Bishops around here start using "Allah" - I'll have to start attending my local synagogue.

Bishop Tiny
This bishop is obviously a victim of muslim dissimulation. If he were to spend a little time researching islam, he would know that allah is the furthest possible thing from the God of Judeo-Christian tradition. Worship allah as God? Only if you're comfortable with the concept of revering the king of the damned.

allah
Couldn't ride Odin's horse.

Let seniority decide
Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, told FoxNews.com that calling God "Allah" wouldn't require a theological leap for Christians. "It reinforces the fact that Muslims, Christians and Jews all worship the same God,"

Well, since the Jews have been around longer than the rest of us I say they have seniority in naming rights. Christians come second and Islam brings up the rear.

I'm sure if the Jews could come up with a solid Jewish name for God that shouldn't upset anyone. After all, "It reinforces the fact that Muslims, Christians and Jews all worship the same God,". Or was Hooper fabricating through his teeth. (To call him a liar might be deemed hate speach)

Not the same

YHWH and Allah are not the same.


Well put. John Taylor
"Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, told FoxNews.com that calling God "Allah" wouldn't require a theological leap for Christians. "It reinforces the fact that Muslims, Christians and Jews all worship the same God," Hooper said. "

Perhaps Hooper can explain why is fellow Muslims in Iraq are killing their fellow believers in Allah, God, and YHWH.

Bow your head sinner
Worship as we do or die! See, we do grant the freedom to choose. Praise Allah!!!

Not the same God
It is amazing that a man who is supposed to be an expert would suggest such a thing. Muslims and Christians do not believe in the same God.

1 Christians believe in a triune God. Father,Son, and Holy Spirit. To Muslims that is blasphemous
2 We believe in the diety of Christ, Muslims do not. He was just a man.
3. Christians believe we are saved through the Grace of God, Muslims believe that works save.
3. Christians and Jews believe in loving God who interacts personally in our lives, Muslims believe in a vengeful and distant God.
4 Before Muhammed came along, Allah was the name of the moon god worshipped in Mecca, hence the crescent moon.
5. The Son of the triune God tells us to love our neighbor, and to forgive those that hurt us.

To say that we believe in the same God for the sake of peace does all religions a get injustice.

My credentials - Majoring in Biblical Studies at Liberty University to become a Minister and Biblical scholar.

...I must make amends...
As soon as the Islamic world stops behaving as if it experiencing adolescent low self-esteem/respect, and thus acting out among the adults at the table, then the world can take them seriously. Until then they are all to be considered as either actively or tacitly expressing the immature desire for anarchy instead of the mature pursuit of civilization, and should be justifiably punished to show the price of being obnoxious and dangerous delinquents.

When in the Netherlands ...
I'd like the dear bishop to please explain to me why the people of his country should use the Arabic word for an all-powerful/knowing/etc. being. The last I knew, the Dutch language contains its own word to describe such a being.

That Muslims use an Arabic word, even when they are not Arabic-speaking (80% of the world's Muslims do not speak Arabic), indicates they do NOT believe the malarky "that Muslims, Christians and Jews all worship the same God." If such a statement were true, Muslims would translate the word for their supreme being into the native tongue. ("God" in Dutch, just like in English.)

Mike R an Answer for You
Jehovah is the Great I AM, creator of the heavens, and the earth, and Man. Jehovah Jirra, the same 1 God, who provides.
There is only one true God, who is also the Holy Trinity. This is the same God who tried thru the Hebrew people to show Man a way of life that would create a peaceful earth. However, man has through freewill chosen to not follow those simple Ten Comandments which God set forth. Instead, Man through his selfish, greedy nature has hardened his heart, falsely beleiving that he is Above God; or infact a God himself.
As is evident by recient history, this great nation has been on a rapid and percepitious decline sence Man started to remove God from his everyday Life. Rising crime of All Kinds,Kids Having and aborting babies, a general lack of compassion or concern for your neighbor (others)and ourselves individually,an attempt to explain away creation through half truths and out right lies; massive greed premeates mankinds attitude daily creating a ever upward spiraling cost of life and living.Using drugs, drinking, as a means of escape from problems we created

He is the One who Loves You, He is the one who allowed His Son to be sacrificed by Man, on the earth for your Sins (see above); He is the One who raised His Son from the dead to prove to Man that by simply beleiving in His Son Jesus the Christ, Man can have eternal Life with Him.

You cannot earn your way to etrenal Life, although Man will tell you that you can; By Gods Grace and Mercy toward his creation, through His Love, the simple Gift is given to you. Just by beleif through Faith.

You asked, God wants you to know the Truth, dont let others tell you what to think or beleive. The Truth and the Way is avalible for free, Just ask and you will receive.

Pastor E
Welcome, brother. I haven't seen your posts before - a breath of fresh air - you sound just like MY pastor. Re: Bishop Tiny - exactly which Bible is he reading (if any?).

It's simple, really.
God is not Allah.
Allah is The Devil.
An examination of the Bible shows that clearly.
An examination of the Koran shows that clearly.
An examination of the habits of Muslims shows that clearly.

Muslims worship the Devil. The secret to his success is the secrecy of his moves... until now. His followers have made themselves too obvious to be ignored, showing their true colors on every front. Not just in the blatant violence of the so - called jihadists, but in the encroachment into culture, government, education, and so forth. In every case they force themselves by bullying and threats, using the court system as an economic terrorist bludgeon.

Nowhere in their doctrine or practice is there any evidence of unfeigned love for their fellow man, but only the forced compliance with doctrines of bondage and the promise of death or ruin if you don’t comply.

The vilest phrase uttered by man is, "Allah akbar!" It is the cry of the murderer, the terrorist, the hater of reason, and should send a shiver down your spine whenever you hear it. It is the vocal praise to the Devil uttered by his stooges whenever they shoot, decapitate, and blow up the innocents who they target.

the real face of crime
Islam is not a religion ....It is a crime syndicate. Treat the practitioners as such.

Mr Difar
Would you find that Bible passage for me, please? I like to be clear on these things.

Manna-Feast: Then why don’t we all call Him Jehovah? talent scout for example uses the names God and Lord.

Not to worry...
about Bishop Tiny (or is that tiny bishop?). He may be deluded, but his ultimate superior, Pope Benedict, is not.
Recall, however, that when the Pope quoted a medieval source on the the barbarity of Islam, he was pilloried by the press and the Moslems.
They hate it when they hear the truth.

Rewarding mass murderers
Right Muskins. The muslims want us to convert so they kill thousands of innocent people to convince us. And you react by recommending that we reward this behavior 'a little bit' because "God does not care what we call him."

So, what does Muskins think muslims will conclude from this? Try this. They will conclude that the way to get what they want from Christians is to slaughter a few thousand of them. The same way a baby learns that the way to get he wants is to fuss and cry and make such a nuisance of himself that mommy and daddy give it to him just to get some peace (there's that word again).

Unfortunately, as lond as the baby gets everything he wants by being a nuisance he'll never be anything but a baby.

And as long as we react to vicious murderers by giving them what they want they will continue to murder viciously.

wow
Is this Bishop serious? Has he not read or studied the Bible at all? Is he not aware of the Old Testament? The name of God is sacred and when Moses asks who shall I say sends me, God replies "I AM"--a sacred name of God was given to man. God is very specific through the whole Bible about how to we are identify Him through our worship and our speech. We as Christians and Jews are to identify Him separately from ALL other gods being worshipped.

I am with Mr. Difar--I would only be more specific, I don't think allah is the devil--I think he is most likely the prince of persia named specifically in the O.T. he demands the same pattern of worship today as he did when they called/worshipped him as molec, and that is with an endless flow of innocent blood.

"Allah" is NOT God!
We worship Yahweh Elohim Jehovah Adonai.

The Ka'aba in Mecca was a temple with over 300 pagan deities.

Allah (a contraction of "Al-ilah - literally "the chief god") was recognized as the chief of the idols in the Ka'aba. Allah (Al-ilah) was the official god of Mohammed's tribe for centuries before he was born. (See "Judgment Day", by Dave Hunt).

Interestingly, Arabic transations of the Bible use the name "Allah" for God.

The Dutch priest had better brush up on his history - I hope that he is disciplined by the church (but, I'm not holding my breath).

This Is Textbook IDIOCY!
There will likely be an earthquake in Holland from ALL OF THE Viking Warriors spinning in their graves. If wonder what these Warriors would think of their homelands if they were resurrected today. Then again, in a country that has legalized Marijuana. I am sure it is VERY EASY to find passive, brain-dead, imbeciles!

ANYONE who read The Koran and The Bible IMMEDIATELY KNOWS God & Allah ARE NOT one and the same! Muslims are required to kneel on a prayer rug facing East when praying. Christians are recorded praying sitting, standing, in the belly of a whale and other places and positions. God says he is everywhere. Allah apparently is only in Mecca. Previous TH Posters have pointed out MANY other differences.

This is the first step towards The Islamic Republic of Europe!

Idea
Hey, here's an idea........since Islam is the religion of peace, why don't they start calling Allah, God? You know...............for a peaceful resolution.

Bishop Tiny
A little advice. Don't hold your breath because it's not going to happen. My first reaction to this when I heard it the other day was laughter.

Reincarnation of Neville Chamberlain...
...is Roman Catholic Bishop Tiny Muskens of the Netherlands.

Or is Muskens another "Esau" selling his birthright for a bowl of pottage.

Muskens is a Quisling. The sort of weakness in otherwise good men that bad men, bad movements and bad diseases look for in order to gain advantage.

Muskens is a "meddlesome priest" needing riddance.

Georgetwin is on to something
He writes:

"Then again, in a country that has legalized Marijuana. I am sure it is VERY EASY to find passive, brain-dead, imbeciles!"

Maybe instead of saying "Allah" instead of "God" we should just export our marijuana crop to the muslims in exchange for oil. Nobody who is stoned on marijuana can work up enough hatred (or concentration) to be a suicide bomber.

They'll just sit around grinning stupidly and eating their dates (no pun intended).

And it will help out the trade deficit AND lower the price of gas.



Bman
The Pope was just telling the truth. I know it is difficult for Protestants to accept the truth about their religions. Also, you should check out Gallagher’s column. It’s all about him telling others what to do as far as their religion. You should go to that thread and tell him and all that agree with him exactly what you wrote here.

Lolo: Actually, I’m with you on this one. I had the same reaction. It’s hard to take this one seriously.

Here's a flash
God and Allah basically exist in your heads. So does Krishna, B'aal, Aten, Zeus.

Why is this stupid story even taking up space on TH? Kathleen, are you really so bereft of your usual Democrat-bashing themes that this is all you have?


Calling God allah
Here is an idea. Why don't the muslims replace the word allah with God.

As I understand it
Isn't the word "God" a substitution anyway, for the holy name (YHWH)? It's calling the Almighty what he is: a god. It's sort of like saying "Deity."

That being said, I can't really imagine the substitution of "Allah" into casual speech, no matter how lovely a name it may be.

Mike R.
MikeR writes: Friday, August, 17, 2007 9:58 AM

"Manna-Feast: Then why don’t we all call Him Jehovah? talent scout for example uses the names God and Lord."

God refused to reveal his name when asked by Moses (Ex 3:14), for specific reasons. All referents to him are therefore titles, and not names. Do some searches on YHVH to see where Jehovah (incorrectly) comes from, the reluctance of Jews to pronounce it, vowel pointing, and what possible translations are for the Hebrew that is often rendered simply as "I AM that I AM".

Jo Jo
What’s wrong? I thought Liberals wanted to learn how to talk to Christians?

allah as the new name
if never ceases to amaze that those who are apologists for some group always expect others to change the point of view or actions to accomodate someone else. In this case muslims are at war with the world. They preach it is their destiny to rule the world under the laws of sharia. They dod not acept co-existence with anybody but demand everyone change to their view point. Why musty the world adapt to any group that praises the killing of anyone not within their group. Other thancontinual messages of hatred towards others and endless killings what do they offer to the rest of the world. They like using modern technology but still want to reside in the ignorance and barbarity of the 11th century. There scenerio is nothing less than Wells story of the time machine, one dominant society that preys on a weaker helpless society. Perhaps if muslims valued human rights for their own followers others might assume they are more than hateful killers determined to exterminate all who are different or outside their tribe

For clarity, call God "God of the Bible"
The false god of Islam is not a god at all. Praying to allah is about like praying to your refrigerator or your toilet or to Harry Potter.

Sadly, when Christians use the name God, Muslims think we are talking about their god.

For clarity, Christians should always say "God of the Bible".

Lord of Lords, Prince of Peace...
Mr Difar U R right! If you research the names of Allah in the Koran, you cannot infer God. More appropriately: Prince of Darkness!

Bman- What's with Catholics? While I have no doubt that the pontiff is a good man, I have always questioned why these men parade around in pretty girly gowns of wonderful fabrics and live in a castle of gold while millions upon millions of Catholics live in abject poverty. Then there's Indulgences (frankly, still on the books), pergatory/limbo, the assumption, the co-redemtrix. I could go on but suffice to say I left Catholicism for the truth!
Praise God! May the blinders be removed from Bishop Tiny's eyes/mind/heart!

the first impression
If it is such a good idea then maybe the Muslims should worship Adonai Elohenu, YHVH, Hashem. As far as I've seen, Allah is Satan. I have not been impressed by the behavior of the followers.

You never get a second chance to make a first impression. When the first impression is planes going into the twin towers, and beheadings on TV and on Youtube and the films are used as recruiting tools, and taxi drivers refuse to give lifts to the blind, and flying imams try to petrify and then intimidate Americans, and little school girls are beheaded, and people are killed or there are attempts to kill, by the followers, in Israel, the USA, Spain, the UK, France, Canada, Holland, the Philippines, Thailand, Russia, China, Indonesia, India, Nigeria, Somalia, Sudan, Turkey, Morocco, Lebanon, Kenya, Argentina, Bosnia, Ethiopia, Jordan, Australia, Bali, Belgium, Denmark, Algeria, Tunisia, Kuwait, not to mention their own countries like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iraq, Iran, Syria, UAE, Afghanistan, Gaza, and they have killed Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, and of every race, and girls are not allowed to flee a burning building, and slavery is still in practice, and arms are chopped off, and CAIR and the flying imams act and talk like a bunch of lying manipulative oily slippery eels, and fathers and brothers murder their daughters/sisters based on rumors that their fevered diseased minds come up with, and polygamy is allowed, and thugs rule the countries...

and

And a woman cannot leave the house nor drive a car unaccompanied by a male so she cannot make a living if she has to, and homosexuals are thrown off tall buildings, and women are buried up to their neck in sand and then people stone their heads to death, and they show no gratitude such as to Britain for providing them with a medical education whose kindness they respond to by going on a killing spree, and cruelty to humans and animals is endemic and infects the societies through which they passed, and they whine "I am offended, I am offended, I am offended" as if murder is not offensive to us, what can I say? This is not a power to which I want to pray and thereby increase its power. It is sickening to the soul. Let them clean up their own house.

And they are hypocrites because they claim to dislike change and to dislike Israel and the USA, but they use all the technology that Israel and the USA creates. Hear that CAIR? Every time you open up your lying manipulative mouths, you make a worse impression. In the past they spread their religion through the sword and then deny it. And they spread their religion through appealing to the untouchables in India who could get out of being the lowest caste in India. Now they are spreading it to gullible Black Americans, who want to get away from Christianity and who don't realize that they, the Muslims, were and are the slave traders. And if someone does not like my comments, please note that I gave examples.

They have not yet killed an Inuit as far as I know. Hear that Bin Hidin? Ya better plan an attack on Resolute Bay or your reputation will be forever marred by the exception to the rule.





DOOdeedoodoo DOOdeedoodoo

Cue "Twilight Zone" music!

Weakness only encourages
By asking Westerners to use the term "Allah" as a reconciliation, this fools from the Netherlands merely encourages Islamic terrorists. A display of feckless surrender always eggs on a bully. We will not get peace for our surrender -- only more war.

my 2 cents
This is a joke, right? Please tell me it's a joke.

It's not

sigh

Open letter to Ibrahim Hooper: We do NOT worship the same God. The one you worship according to your beliefs encourages suicide and killing of innocents in his name. I can cite example after example of muslim clerics supporting suicide operations. I can quote an Egyptian cleric going on TV to incite CHILDREN to maytyrdom. he is NOT akbar, as you are so fond of saying.

On the other hand:

The God I worship sent His son to earth to suffer and make reparation for our sins, and He did. He was nailed to a tree for His efforts, and while habnging there in unimaginable agony He said "Father forgive them for they know not what they do."

See the difference?

the dud you folks worship is NOT akbar, as you are so fond of saying.

whoops - almost
I almost apologized for a spelling mistake in the last sentence until I looked at it again and decided it looks pretty good just the way it is.

afn&tt

New voters
Katherine,
Nice touch as always. Please don't give our disfunctional Government represenatives any new ideas. Having failed to capture new voters through unlimited immigration I can see prayer mats become quite the rage of both parties.

God have mercy on us.

Sorry
Kathleen!!!

Lucifer,
it's a lovely sounding name. It means angle of light. Mohammad another lovely sounding name, lets call mohammad jesus, and instead of referring to satan as the antichrist. Anti has such a negitive connotation, we'll just refer to lucifer being as pro-allah. Satan won't mind being called pro-allah.

Why does it not surprise me that a catholic bishop proposed this.

I have a better idea, Muslim's should refer to allah as Yahweh, maybe that would be the beginning of wisdom for them.

Yahweh Is Akbar!
al allah is a putz

When You Polish A
turd, all you have is a shinning turd. allah is not God and God is not allah

oh allah won't you
buy me a M-1 Abrams, my neighbors drive Merkavas I must make amends.

(Merkava MK3 Main Battle Tank, Israel)

largecaliber
EXCELLENT! LMAO!

Large caliber
Now if you could come up with a verse that rhymes with ahmanutjob(ahmadinejad)I'd roll even harder. Good one!

Won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz?
Kathleen,
Now you're just being silly. Why would Allah buy you a Mercedes Benz if he doesn't want you driving it?

Nee, I'll have a crack at it!
Oh Allah, ahmanutjob without any friends.
When the Jarheads come to get me, I’ll wet my Depens!

Georget
Awesome, Man!! You Rock! Too good. Maybe we should try the whole song and see if we can get Rush and Paul Shanklin to sing it!!

To The Tune Of Jethro Tull's
Aqualung

Mahmoud ahmynutjob, eyeing lil virgins with bad intent
Snot is running down his nose...........

Islam
This religion is satanic. Any, God that tells his people to kill is NOT the God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob. However the Devil Loves it! When will people wake up to reality?

Nee
GO FOR IT!

Nee
GO FOR IT!

God has many Names
And allah is not among them

To call on the name of the Lord was to worship Him as God (Gen. 21:33; 26:25).

Consequently, from this we can conclude that such phrases as “the name of the LORD” or “the name of God” refer to God’s whole character. It was a summary statement embodying the entire person of God and His Position as over all.


God has revealed to mankind His attributes through His Names, a slow revealing is unfolded throughout the Old and New Testaments.

For each Attribute of God, He has revealed His Name for that.


Elohim: God’s sovereignty, creative work, mighty work for Israel and in relation to His sovereignty (Isa. 54:5; Jer. 32:27; Gen.1:1)

El Shaddai: "God Almighty."
El Elyon: "The Most High God."

Yahweh (YHWH): Comes from a verb which means "to exist, be."
Yahweh Jireh (Yireh): "The Lord will provide."
Yahweh Sabbaoth: "The Lord of Hosts."
Yahweh Maccaddeshcem: "The Lord your Sanctifier."
Yahweh Ro’i: "The Lord my Shepherd."
Yahweh Tsidkenu: "The Lord our Righteousness."
Yahweh Shammah: "The Lord is there."
Yahweh Elohim Israel: "The Lord, the God of Israel.

Then there is
Adonai:The singular form means "master, owner." Stresses man’s relationship to God as his master, authority, and provider.

As the Saviour He is Named Jesus Christ


gord
islam is nothing more than a blood cult that teaches it's adherents to hate and kill any who live outside their tribal structure. That they will kill their fellow cultists withoshows they place no value on life. That they will kill others to promote their cult without blinking an eye in their rush to their perverted virgin paradise shows a total lack of humanity. How can these people ever be saved from themselves

We Don't Worship The Same God!
According to the New Testiment Jews and Muslims who don't accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior, are going to hell. thats not the same God and these apostate pseudo-Christians know it.

Now consider
The attributes of allah, the moon god.

He demands submission
He demands only mohammed represents him
He uses threats and deeds of murder to force his views.
He accepts children killing themselves for him, to murder others.

His attributes are the same as Satan.
The very same attributes of the ancient arab gods of Chemosh, Molech and a host of others the bible said were devils.

To recognize allah and call him god, is worshipping satan

Hmmm
I see the idea's not playing well in Peoria. :)

We need to worry about muslims
far more than illegal mexican laborers-
Muslims will never assimilate-only assassinate.

INS should have a strict quota on Muslims:
10,000 deported daily till they are all gone.

There's no such thing as a moderate muslim.
The term is an oxymoron.


bytheocean...ALL
Well said, my friend and good posts and humor by all. Someone said in an earlier post that we should just laugh this off. If this wasn't so deadly serious it WOULD be funny. Look at what is happening here in the US. Public funds used to provide "special areas" for prayer for this cult of death called Islam. Tax payer monies used to pay for special sinks so these mongrels can wash their filthy feet before they "pray". But YOU better not have the Ten Commandments or a Manger in the public square! YOU, must have a "holiday tree" not a Christmas tree. A Menorah is just a "candllabra" Sorry I don't believe there are "moderate muslims" out there, just quiet jihadists! This country was built on Judeo-Christian principles, NOT ISLAM. Yet every day in this country those once revered principles are attacked. Christianity is mocked and attacked and we just sit back, Christian and Jew and let it go on. Oh yeah, we register a complaint and are laughed at. I never see a COUNTER SUIT when CAIR plays thier games. When will WE start defending our beliefs! If "flying Imams" pulled that crap on any plane I was on, you better believe they would be beaten down so help me allah..sorry God. CAIR and their lawyers can go to he!! WE need to start suing CAIR, their funding sources need to be investigated. Maybe by lawsuit...but NO, everyone is scared of being labeled a racist!

At age thirteen girls in;

Judeism are Bat- Mitzvahed

Catholiscism are Confirmed

Islam have thier genitalia mutilated.

That tells me all I need to know about the "religeon of peace" And I think the "priest" should wear his collar to ANY middle east turd world nation and spout his crap. Let's see how the practitioners of "the religeon of peace" kill him with kindness....not!

What's In A Name?
I suggest that instead of "Allah" we start using the term "non-existent one".

And also we can start calling Mohammed "that brigand and pederast".



Jesus the Messiah
Qur'an 3.45: 'The angels said, "O Mary, God gives you good news of a word from God, named the Messiah, Jesus Son of Mary, honored in the world and the hereafter, and one of the intimates of God.'

Qur'an 3.84: 'Say, "We believe in God, and in what has been revealed to us, and in what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes; and in what was given to Moses, Jesus, and the Prophets, from their Lord.'

...


When Ibrahim Hooper says that referring to God as Allah "reinforces the fact that Muslims, Christians and Jews all worship the same God," he is merely echoing a common thread of the Qur'an.

Elle
How much was Tiny's bribe from the agents of Saudi Arabia or the United Arab Emirates?
Islam is a dung hill and its adherents the insects which feed upon it. Ergo, therefore, to wit: Tiny is full of s--t.

So why do muslims
Teach the bible is wrong?

Karl writes:
Jesus the Messiah
Qur'an 3.45: 'The angels said, "O Mary, God gives you good news of a word from God, named the Messiah, Jesus Son of Mary, honored in the world and the hereafter, and one of the intimates of God.'

Qur'an 3.84: 'Say, "We believe in God, and in what has been revealed to us, and in what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes; and in what was given to Moses, Jesus, and the Prophets, from their Lord.'

-------------

The actions and deeds of muslims do not match any bible teaching, impossible the koran and the bible can be from the same source, God.

In fact they are at war

Karl
From the Koran:

[6.101] Wonderful Originator of the heavens and the earth! How could He have a son when He has no consort, and He (Himself) created everything, and He is the Knower of all things.

[10.68] They say: Allah has taken a son (to Himself)! Glory be to Him: He is the Self-sufficient: His is what is in the heavens and what is in the earth; you have no authority for this; do you say against Allah what you do not know?

[25.2] He, Whose is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth, and Who did not take to Himself a son, ...

[17.111] And say: (All) praise is due to Allah, Who has not taken a son ...


18.4] And warn those who say: Allah has taken a son.

[19.35] It beseems not Allah that He should take to Himself a son,

[ 23.91] Never did Allah take to Himself a son, and never was there with him any (other) god--

[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

[4.171] O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah and His Word which He communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and His apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector.


Sorry, not quite the same God; not quite the same book.

Jesus the Messiah, part 2
It's true, Muslims believe that Jesus was "one of the intimates of God", not his son. Jews also do not believe in the divinity of Jesus of Nazareth, but still you speak of a Judeo-Christian God. Isn't the theological problem of the Trinity is as great a divide between Christianity and Judaism as it is between Christianity and Islam?

My point is not to tell Christians and Jews how to view Allah. I wished only to point out that Muslims view Allah and the God of Abraham as one and that this view indeed has its origins in the Qur'an.


In Allah WE Trust
I'm just waiting for some Hollyweird 'star' or ivory tower liberal elitist to suggest we replace 'In God WE Trust' on our money.

I'm sure the ALCU wouldn't mind this at all, since allah is such a universal name for God, it couldn't possibly be misconstrued as favoring anyone's personal God over another's.

What a stroke of genious from the tiny bishop, with one 'tiny' compromise (pun intended:)), we can get the all muslims and the aclu to suddenly start liking us Christians! Muslims would stop trying to kill us and the aclu would stop trying to silence us for our beliefs.

God doesn't care what we call Him????
Hmm, well, I guess the bishop is unfamiliar with the first three commandments of the 10 Commandments. I would direct him to Exodus Chapter 20 so he might acquaint himself with the verses.

God says to have no other gods before Him. He says don't make graven images of gods. And, He warns that He's very particular about how we mere humans use His Name!

I think He cares. Very much!

Karl
"Isn't the theological problem of the Trinity is as great a divide between Christianity and Judaism as it is between Christianity and Islam?"

Not at all.

Part of your misconception is due to the fact that many view Christianity and faith in Jesus as a Gentile faith and a Hellenic construct, when, in fact, it is thoroughly Jewish, in its origins and its substance.

The hope of a Messiah who will fulfill Hebraic prophecies has a pedigree which is not founded upon the arbitrary and unsubstantiated claims of the merchant from Medina who claims to have heard voices in a cave. It is founded upon and based upon the hopes of the Jewish people from the earliest records of their history.

And it is from the depths of the Hebrew Scriptures that the early Jewish believers in Jesus as the Messiah, brought us the concept of the Triune God, and not the Catholic Scholastics who were Aristotelians.

As Paul, the Jewish Pharisee, says in Romans 3, "What then is the advantage of the Jew?...To begin with, the Jews are entrusted with the oracles of God...What if some were unfaithful? Does their unfaithfulness nullify the faithfulness of God?"


Allah be home for Christmas.
Allah, be home, for Christmas.

Allah have a blue Christmas without you.

I don't know -- kinda has a nice ring to it.

wait, there's more
Allah want for Christmas is my two front teeth.

noelegy
"That being said, I can't really imagine the substitution of 'Allah' into casual speech, no matter how lovely a name it may be."

You'd be surprised. As a way to help fight the Islamo-fascists, I decided to learn Arabic. On YouTube I've listened to Arabic broadcasts of soccer games. When a goal is scored, the announcer will often shout "Allah!"

I asked native speakers if I was hearing this right, and they said that yes, it was Allah, but it didn't mean "God" in this context. Instead, it meant something like "wonderful."

Yeah, right.

Jo Jo
"Why is this stupid story even taking up space on TH? Kathleen, are you really so bereft of your usual Democrat-bashing themes that this is all you have?"

Actually, Jo Jo, this is the most important of the Democrat-bashing themes. It shows that the left has no particular loyalty to Western traditions and is ready to give up our Constitution so that shari'a can be imposed on us.

And if you don't agree with that, just tell me where you are going to draw the line on concessions to Muslims and, more important, how you are going to suddenly develop a spine to keep society from crossing that line.

Say, for example, that it's 2030 and Muslims are suddenly demanding an end to abortion. After spending the last 29 years (ever since 9/11) making concessions to Muslims, will you really stand up to them at that point? The cultural momentum at that point will all be in favor of the Muslims. Plus, few at TownHall would be willing to support you. They will say that they don't like abortion either and that anyway they had warned you about the Muslims but that you didn't listen.

Good luck, Jo Jo. You will need it.

Bibsy Quee
The fact that early Jewish converts to Christianity may have put forward the concept of the Trinity in no way makes it a "thoroughly Jewish" one. Where is this idea even hinted at in the Tanakh? Is there anything in the Hebrew Scripture that would allow, for example, the iconic worship of Jesus?

The Jewish Moshiach is believed to be a man annointed by God "who will end evil in the world, rebuild the Temple, return the exiles to Israel and usher in the world to come."

(Source http://www.jewfaq.org/index.htm )

From the Jewish point of view, it seems, the Jewish Moshiach and the Christian Messiah have very little in common.

Also, if Christianity is viewed as a Gentile religion, it is because Jews themselves view it so.

allah allah allah get your adverbs here.
Sort of works

Karl
Believe me, I would love to argue the point concerning the Jewish roots of Messianic expectations, and of the Jewish roots of the idea of a Triune God, but that would lead us from our original point of controversy.

What today's Jews practice viz a viz "Judaism" bears as much semblance to Mosaic Judaism, which a first century

Karl (contd.)
Jewish Christian would have recognized, as Islam bears to Christianity, which is little.

Excellent knowledge
Bipsy.

Although Judaism then and now reject Jesus Christ as Messiah, the Son of God, they do hold to the same Laws and Judgments that create a culture.

islam is an exact opposite of law and culture cause it is based in a different faith and god(God)
Even if they borrow some names from the Old and New Testaments.

allah is nothing like God and the Father of the Lord, Jesus Christ.

"east is east and west is west, never the twain shall meet"
On the faith in God anyway or His Name.

Jo Jo

>>>
God and Allah basically exist in your heads. So does Krishna, B'aal, Aten, Zeus.
>>>

Still telling us what we should believe are you, Jo Jo?

BTW I left something for you in our prior meeting place.

Terms of surrender.
At least hold some principle in reserve to ensure that you remain a valuable "tool" to the surrender lobby. If you want to remain a mover and shaker in this holy war, your first move should not be to surrender god, but your last.

talent scout
Sadly, on that basis, Islam and modern day Judaism have this in common: they both reject the Father-Son relationship.

Although in the case of Judaism, it is over and against their own Scriptures (cf. Prov. 30:4), while Islam explicitly teaches it as doctrine.

Proverbs 30:4
I'll leave it to Jason Dulle to fight with Bibsy Quee over the true meaning of Proverbs 30:4:

http://www.apostolic.net/biblicalstudies/prov304.htm

Jesus' Divinity?

Some say, "Jews [of the time] also do not believe in the divinity of Jesus of Nazareth."

What they fail to remember (or did not learn?) is that the Disciples were all Jews. Jesus had a large following as He moved from city to city all of whom were Jews. These Jews were in fact Jewish Christians. To imply that all Jews did not believe in the divinity of Jesus does not take these facts into account.

In regard to Islam, the Muslims (all of them) emphatically state that Jesus was not divine. They say that He was a great teacher but not the Son of God.

This fact totally separates Islam from Christianity. God the Father is not the same as Allah. They are distinctly different entities. Choose who you will serve.

We know better though
Bipsy Quee writes: Saturday, August, 18, 2007 6:43 PM
talent scout
Sadly, on that basis, Islam and modern day Judaism have this in common: they both reject the Father-Son relationship.
-----------

Both are anti-Christ.


1Jo 2:18 -
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

1Jo 2:22 -
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Yet our Laws are based in the same place the Jews base theirs, Moses.
At least for the first 200 years anyway.

sharia is laws based in cruel and unusual punishment.




--------

Bipsy writes:

Although in the case of Judaism, it is over and against their own Scriptures (cf. Prov. 30:4), while Islam explicitly teaches it as doctrine.

---------

30:4
Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

Amen
And this too:

Ps 132:11 -
The LORD hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne.

The Son of David, the Son of man, the Son of God

Karl
Maybe that's the problem: you look at this as a fight; I look at it as a dialog.

Kilroy
Re: "Allah be home for Christmas," "Allah want for Christmas" Thanks for the lighter tone, sometimes it gets to be too deep and dark for me, a la Robert, and company. So, thanks for making an old southern lady's day!!

Allah and God
As we can see from the comments, there is a lively debate on the nature of God, whether it is the God of the Christians and Jews or the Allah of the Muslims. I concede only this: Arab Christians use the Arabic word "Allah" for their God. Buy beyond that, they are two different entities, two different concepts. The Allah (as used in "Allahu Akhbar," chanted when beheading or in other types of killing for Allah) of the Muslims is arbitrary and distant. There is no guarantee of salvation for given by the arbitrary Allah other than to die killing others in Allah's name. The relationship between a follower of Allah and Allah himself is that of slave to master. For the Christian, the relationship with God, through Christ Jesus, is that of loving father with a son or daughter. Through Christ, God is approachable for the Christian. To even hint that God can incarnate or that Christ was the Son of God is blasphemy of the highest order for the followers of Allah. If one puts forth that idea in the wrong environ--that is, a Muslim controlled country--one could be killed. No. They are not the same. Don't put up with Muslim insistence on it being the only true religion. Debate them on the nature of the Allah and the God of the Christians. Usually the Muslim will not debate, because the Muslim principles are so untenable.

Avidyananda

Bill
The Muslim does not know how to debate since true debate involves the ability to allow one's own assumptions to be examined critically by the other side.

The ability to do that is systematically destroyed in them from an early age by the prohibition to even consider questioning the claims of the founder Muhammad.

What you will get when attempting a debate with a Muslim is, at best, a sermon, and a defensive one at that.

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