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Wednesday, June 06, 2007
Kathleen Parker :: Townhall.com Columnist
Bush's War and Hillary's Memory
by Kathleen Parker
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Hillary Clinton's remark during Sunday night's Democratic presidential debate that Iraq is ``George Bush's war'' may be interpreted as either brilliant strategy or desperate deflection.

Clinton may get points for strategy -- as the front-runner, she doesn't need to attack her Democratic ppponents -- but she was also deflecting. In a Rodney King ``can't we all just get along'' moment, she tried to paint a picture of Democratic unity on the war question.

``The differences among us are minor. The differences between us and the Republicans are major,'' she said.

To which John Edwards replied: ``There are important differencesbetween us on this."

Clinton is in fact desperate on the war question, as she should be.

To win her party's nomination, she needs to be anti-war; to win the general election, she has to be viewed as militarily tough. Somewhere in the middle is a principle upon which she ought to stand, if only she could find it.

Early on during the anti-war surge, she stood bravely by her vote. Then under pressure from the Democratic base, she said she wouldn't have voted the way she did had she known then what she knows now. By the first Democratic debate last month, she said she regretted trusting Bush when he said he would let U.N. weapons inspectors do their work. By Sunday's second debate, Clinton's Iraq War vote was really for ``coercive diplomacy.''

In fairness to Clinton, she did say in her Senate floor statement preceding the Iraq resolution vote that she was not seeking a new policy of pre-emption or unilateralism and would have preferred a stronger requirement for the diplomatic route.

Despite misgivings, she said she would take the president at his word ``that he will try hard to pass a U.N. resolution and will seek to avoid war, if at all possible.''

Perhaps that's what Clinton was referring to when she said she was hoping for coercive diplomacy. Even so, she expressed no misgivings about Iraq's threat to the U.S., saying that left unchecked, Saddam Hussein would ``continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.''

Clinton also said her decision granting war authority to the president was made easier by Bush's Oct. 7, 2002, speech in Cincinnati in which he outlined his reasons for seeking congressional approval for war.

While Bush did say he hoped military action wouldn't be necessary, he also said he had no faith that Saddam would suddenly begin cooperating with inspectors. No one hearing the speech could express surprise that the U.S.was going to war.

Indeed, by spring the following year, Clinton was making her own case for the war. At a March 2003 meeting with members of Code Pink, aka Women for Peace, Clinton said that she had done her due diligence and studied the intelligence before voting for the Iraq resolution.

The way to avoid war, she told the women, was for Saddam to disarm and ``I have absolutely no belief that he will.''

Bush's war? And did Clinton really do her homework?

New York Times reporters Jeff Gerth and Don Van Natta Jr., authors of ``Her Way: The Hopes and Ambitions of Hillary Rodham Clinton,'' wrote in Sunday's New York Times Magazine that Clinton won't say whether she read the complete classified National Intelligence Estimate (NIE), which included caveats about Saddam's weapons supplies and doubts about any alliance with al-Qaeda. The 90-page NIE report was made available to all 100 senators 10 days before the Senate vote.

If she had read the whole report, could Clinton have voted as she did? If she didn't read it, can she now claim that she was misled? Van Natta and Gerth quoted Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.V., then the vice chairman of the Intelligence Committee, as saying that only six (unnamed) senators had readthe complete report.

Whatever Clinton thinks she thought, her vote and words do not accurately reflect what she now insists she meant. Her attempt to reframe her vote without issuing the apology that some on the anti-war left want from her is what it seems to be -- a political calculation.

Clinton would have done better to stick to her original principle:

She did what she thought was right at the time and wishes the war had been better managed. That's an assessment other war supporters can share and that war protesters can respect. Americans tend to be forgiving of errors in judgment made in good faith. They are less forgiving of fudging history in the service of politics.

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GOP Hopefuls Fault Bush on Iraq


I do agree with much of the criticism of President Bush on spending,Iraq, immigration and in competency. Yet for Lawmakers like McCain, Brownback, Clinton and Edwards to all blame President Bush and not even read the National Intelligence Estimate, report which warned about all the problems and vote for the war is hypocritical! Also the same lawmakers keep blaming the war on bad intelligence when the CIA had it right while they did not even study the report!

I still cannot believe anyone would vote for Rudy after last night he made it clear that the cornerstone of our foreign policy is “NATION BUILDING”. Does anyone agree with Rudy on “NATION BUILDING”? Also could you vote for a candidate that sent soldiers to war without reading the INTELLIGENCE REPORT?

BTW Ron Paul was my hero for pointing out that “the strategy of preemptive war is our biggest moral dilemma” If lawmakers read the INTELLIGENCE REPORT they would understand the issue!

MANCHESTER, N.H. (AP) - President Bush drew sporadic, startling criticism Tuesday night from Republican White House hopefuls unhappy with his handling of the Iraq war, his diplomatic style and his approach to immigration.

“I would certainly not send him to the United Nations” to represent the United States, said Tommy Thompson, the former Wisconsin governor and one-time member of Bush’s Cabinet, midway through a spirited campaign debate.

Arizona Sen. John McCain criticized the administration for its handling of the Iraq War, and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney said, “I think we were underprepared and underplanned for what came after we knocked down Saddam Hussein.”

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/gop-hopefuls-fault-bush-on-iraq-style

phantom issues, phantom opponent

"If only I knew then what I know now," is the story of everybody's life; everybody I know, anyhow. Perhaps my acquaintances are especially lacking in genius. It goes without saying that nobody would have endorsed a policy that turned out to be more vexatious than anticipated. What else is new?

It doesn't make much sense for presidential aspirants to be running against George Bush. He's not going to be on the ballot.

Americans are famously and deservedly optimistic. We've done pretty well. Finger-pointing isn't where it's at, optimist-wise. Most likely victory will go not to the candidate who endlessly churns disappointments, but to the candidate who points us towards a brighter future.

What's wrong with the "Published Polls"
I love this argument stuff, but one question I HAVE been asked in the two polls conducted by a MAJOR MEDIA enterprise and the results published and regurgitated over and over.

“You expressed DISSATISFACTION with the President’s Conduct of the War?

(My answer) YES.

“Why?”

(My answer again) We are not hitting hard enough, we are backing down from engagement, there are horrible “Rules of Engagement.” We are conducting this war by the codified Laws of War, set under the Geneva Convention. Our enemies have “no rules” we need to fight by their standards, not ours.”

I have yet to see ANY polling that shows the truth, many people are more upset of us “fighting fair” while they don’t.

If you are NOT going to “let loose the dogs of war,” then bring them home. Don’t let our sons and daughters get maimed, injured or die because “we are NOT fighting back to win.”

“While Bush did say he hoped military action wouldn't be necessary, he also said he had no faith that Saddam would suddenly begin cooperating with inspectors. No one hearing the speech could express surprise that the U.S. was going to war.
Indeed, by spring the following year, Clinton was making her own case for the war. At a March 2003 meeting with members of Code Pink, aka Women for Peace, Clinton said that she had done her due diligence and studied the intelligence before voting for the Iraq resolution.
The way to avoid war, she told the women, was for Saddam to disarm and ``I have absolutely no belief that he will.''
Bush's war? And did Clinton really do her homework?

We DID win the war’s objectives, it is the “peace” that we are losing.

Hillary, the "Johns" and many others KNEW at the time the reasons and are now under pressure from the appeasement crowd to back-pedal and back down.

Should anyone be surprised that
Shrillary is trying to manipulate history? All liberals have a habit of restarting history at 08:00 a.m. every day. Too bad the press lets them get away with it.

AF_retiree_2001
I'm guessing that the 'AF' stands for Air Force?

Your comments degrade our military. You reiterate the stereotype that the military is a bunch of thugs that just want to shoot anything that moves versus a military that has a conscience.

Yes, I'm sure we could easily stop the insurgents by just bombing all of Iraq until there are no citizens left. Then we could re-populate Iraq with our own people.

I guess your motto is "When the going gets tough... kill everyone!"

Hanging Hitlery
Just keep giving Hitlery rope; eventually she will hang herself and The Liberalcrats too!

"The Military Stereotype?"
syler writes:

"Your comments degrade our military. You reiterate the stereotype that the military is a bunch of thugs that just want to shoot anything that moves versus a military that has a conscience."

Syler, I have to disagree with you here, as AF_retiree is merely stating a tenet of war that has been ignored in history only at our country's peril. War is, to be momentarily trite, a nasty business. We are waging a
"politically-correct" war and, for that, we are paying an enormous price. I think (assuming is always dangerous) that is what AF_retiree is expressing. If 2 "innocent civilians" are killed, it's headline news and broadcast for the full 24-hour cycle.

The boots-on-the-ground (being the inteeligent men and women serving our country in that conflict) KNOW this. They try like H@#$ to avoid this. It is drilled into them by their superiors. So, next time two "innocent civilians" get within 29 feet and they are not stopped by the ROE, the soldiers get blown up by yet another IED.

My points are these:

1. There is no civility in war.

2. Civilians DO get killed in war.

3. Professional soldiers do not target civilians but collateral damage occurs.

4. Finally, war must be a 100% effort or it is destined to fail.

Just an opinion,

Ron Albright

Ron,
Absolutely. We firebombed Tokyo, Cologne, and Dresden, and killed hundreds of thousands. Unfortunately, it was necessary.

War is ugly, and dirty, and difficult, and people get killed. It doesn't mean our troops are thugs, it means they are trying to do their job.

BTW, it's sad that nobody wrote a column about D-Day today. A truly seminal moment in the history of this planet.

Short Memories
Anyone who believes the Dems when they claim that the Iraq war was all "made up in Texas", as Chappaquiddik Teddy so ignorantly stated, should watch this short video:

http://www.bercasio.com/movies/dems-wmd-before-iraq.wmv


D-Day
Big Dawg:

Well, I wrote a column about D-Day!!

Check it out, if so inclined. We should NEVER forget that day and the men who made it possible.

If interested,

http://www.ronalbright.com

Regards,

Ron Albright

DietDoc & AF_retiree_2001
DietDoc, I never said, nor do I believe, that war is civil and that civilians will not be killed. But, the day that our military stops caring about protecting civilians is the day that the terrorists have really won. That is what I think AF_retiree_2001 was eluding to when he said: "Our enemies have “no rules” we need to fight by their standards, not ours."

Our military has a morale conscience and shouldn't stoop to the level of the suicide bombers. If the only way you think our military can win this war is by using our enemy's standards of engagement, then we need to remove our military from Iraq and think of a non-military way to bring democracy to Iraq. Our military is made up of outstanding men and women, not careless, thoughtless thugs.

So, I'll state my point again... AF_retiree_2001, your comments degrade our military.

Syler's Clarification
Syler wrote:

"DietDoc, I never said, nor do I believe, that war is civil and that civilians will not be killed. But, the day that our military stops caring about protecting civilians is the day that the terrorists have really won. That is what I think AF_retiree_2001 was eluding to when he said: "Our enemies have “no rules” we need to fight by their standards, not ours."

Syler, thanks for the clarification. I appreciate your taking the time to clear up my misinterpretation of your comment.

Regards,

Ron Albright

When we lost
Syler writes, "The day that our military stops caring about protecting civilians is the day that the terrorists have really won."

In that case, the terrorists won in 1943. If not before.

Hillary Brands It "Bush's War"
Yeah, she's devious, disingenuous and deceptive about her behavior and motivation. But she sure is right-on in calling it "Bush's war." More and more evidence is surfacing that Mr. Macho came into office with the intention of offing Saddam. So, let's waste no more time parsing the political fandangos. I don't care who said he should or shouldn't; Bush is the guy who lit the match and continues to toss the troops into the conflagration. He's the utterly despicable opportunist who actually stooped to using the race card against those who had the temerity to point out the total absence of any democratic mentality in the Arab world. Yeah, and he's the moron who displayed sheer bewilderment at the inability of people to grasp the basic truth that Islam was a "religion of peace."
Hillary's circumlocutions? Trivial. Bush's messianic madness? Serious stuff.

Syler
The military does care about what happens to civilians even to the point troops will lose their own lives. The ROE's can and be a bit of a detriment for the troops. I am not talking about just open and unrestricted warfare. There have been instances were they did not return fire because it was coming from a mosque. Don't you think the enemy knows this and our people die because of some of the rules such as this. Even though the commanders know if fire on from a place such as that they can return fire. However if they do the terrorits sympathsizers at CNN and the Democrats will be there to vilify them. Again I am not talking about indiscriminate killing, but the emeny need to feel a little bit more of the ruthlessness of war.

I don't feel AF retiree insulted the troops, at least I didn't see it that way, and what he implies in no way means the troops are thugs and he wants them to come home as soon as possible with the least amount of loss. I do know the frustration they feel in not being able to really annihilate these bast*rds. Once battle has been joined you fight to win.

KC
AF Msgt (Ret. 2005)

Syler
Also, this is not a war like we had in WWII witha uniformed enemy, they don't wear uniforms and don't mind mixing in with unarmed non-combants.


KC

Sylar
Is your name from Heroes? War is ugly and should always be ugly. The uglier the better. If and when it isn't we will fight wars every other day. As to civilians it is a fact of life sad as it is. Terrorists and other enemies have no compunction about the civilians. This is actually where Bush has been very wise. He has done a good job protecting them for the most part, because he and our military knew that if they didn't they would also turn to terrorism. Most of the civilian deaths have been perpetuated by the terrorists themselves. BTW AFretiree_2001 did not insult the troops. You had a rush to judgement.

cowboy
The reasons for not withdrawing have been explained over and over and are very apparent. Since you are incapable of comprehension perhaps you should go somewhere else. Maybe you should go watch your cartoons now.
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