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Wednesday, May 16, 2007
Kathleen Parker :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Black and White of 'Ho' Culture
by Kathleen Parker
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CHARLESTON, S.C. -- In a new twist in American race relations, a federal court has ruled that a white teacher in a predominantly African-American school was subjected to a racially hostile workplace.

The case concerned Elizabeth Kandrac, who was routinely verbally abused by black students at Brentwood Middle School in North Charleston. Their slurs make shock jock Don Imus look like a church deacon.

Nevertheless, despite frequent complaints, school officials did nothing to intervene on Kandrac's behalf, arguing that the racially charged profanity was simply part of the students' culture. If Kandrac couldn't handle cursing, school officials told her, she was in the wrong school.

Kandrac finally filed a complaint with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) and subsequently brought a lawsuit against the Charleston County School District, the school's principal and an associate superintendent. Last fall, jurors found that the school was a racially hostile environment to teach in and that the school district retaliated against Kandrac for complaining about it.

The defendants sought a new trial, but U.S. District Judge David C. Norton recently affirmed the verdict. However, he did not support the jury's findings of $307,500 in damages for lost income and emotional distress.

Although Kandrac clearly suffered -- she was suspended from her job shortly after a story about her EEOC complaint appeared in the local newspaper, and her contract was not renewed -- her case didn't meet evidentiary requirements for damages. The judge said a new trial would have to determine damages, but the school district and Kandrac settled for $200,000.

While the dollars-and-cents issue may have been of paramount importance to school and district officials -- and would have lent heft to the verdict -- the more compelling issue for students, parents and society is the idea that a particular group of people can be allowed to behave in a grossly uncivil and threatening way by virtue of their racial ``culture.''

The key legal question was whether a school could be held responsible for students' behavior. In this case, the black children of Brentwood had been given a pass for their behavior because vulgar language was considered normal for their culture.

Defense attorney Alice Paylor told jurors that the kids heard this same language at home and there was ``no magic pill'' to make them behave. Paylor is probably right about that, though a magic paddle might have worked wonders.

Back in the day, if a student talked the way these did, he or she would have received a well-deserved thwack, been suspended and sent home to face the wrath of his or her father. That process likely would have put a swift end to the tribal tyranny now often tolerated in the service of self-esteem.

Let's be clear: What these children called this teacher is beyond reprehensible and could be only be construed as hostile and threatening. Here's a sample: white b----, white m----- f-----, white c---, white a------, white ho.

Other white teachers and students corroborated Kandrac's account, including a male war veteran who testified he would rather return to Vietnam than to Brentwood.

Kandrac's attorney, Larry Kobrovsky, argued that the repeated use of ``white'' made these slurs racists in nature. But school officials insisted that because black students were equally abusive to other blacks, the language wasn't inherently racist.

Here's what we know without question: If majority white students had used similar language toward black students and teachers, the case would have been plastered on the front page of The New York Times until heads rolled.

A black Kandrac would have a million-dollar book deal, a movie contract and hundreds of interviews to juggle. Her oppressors and those who passively facilitated her abuse would have been pilloried by the media -- their faces all over the evening news -- while the reverends Al and Jesse organized protests.

But a white Kandrac -- who faced a daily barrage of insults, who had books and desks thrown at her and her bicycle tires punctured -- was treated like an incompetent wimp. She was just a lousy teacher out for money, the defense attorney said.

Though Kandrac lost her job, the real losers are the children deprived of an education by the actions of a tyrannical few. And the worst racists are those teachers and administrators who denied these empowered brats the expectation of civilized behavior.

May the rest of America now be emboldened to act decisively in the interest of students who want to learn.

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My2sense........
"Back in the day, if a student talked the way these did, he or she would have received a well-deserved thwack, been suspended and sent home to face the wrath of his or her father. That process likely would have put a swift end to the tribal tyranny now often tolerated in the service of self-esteem."

Unfortunately, the miscreants in today's classrooms are enabled by parents who consider schools to be little more than tax-funded day care centers, where kids are conveniently out of the way while parents continue their own deviant daily activities.

Stories like this anger me to no limits- I'm constantly reminded of the Black history I internalized when I was in grade school(in the 1980's), and I'm reminded of the Dread Scott decision and the whole notion of sub-human status that abolitionists fought to dispel with this legislation. As a Black man it just behooves me to see how not only are modern Black parents are blissfully ignorant to the fact that they are accepting and reinforcing the same conventional thinking of Black sub-human status by allowing their kids to act like animals and justify it by virtue of their communities and their economic status.

From this begets rejection of education and enlightened culture and in turn embraces ignorance, criminality and debauchery(Did I step on P. Diddy and Russell Simmons' toes??). These elements are the recipe for permanent underclass status.

I guess with me being a Black man pointing these things out that makes me an Uncle Tom and a sellout, hanging out our dirty laundry in "mixed company". I mean, God forbid if I contribute to White people believing that all of the ills of the Black community AREN'T all their fault. If there is any fault to be laid at the feet of Whites, it's their assistance in perpetuating the Black culture of entitlement and victimology that contribute to the continuation of this counter-cultural phenomenon.

Prof_Chin
You no doubt take a lot of heat when you express your views on some parts of the black subculture. If its any consolation, and speaking only for myself, you are a powerful force returning my state of mind to the fact that the embrace of ignorance and debauchery are not the mainstream of black culture. The yahoos seem to get most of the ink and airtime. The solid core of black Americans are a mostly silent majority. The pity is that when someone like Dr. Sowell, a brilliant and acclaimed intellectual, comes along, he doesn't get the recognition, or serve as the role model he deserves to be.

Sense indeed.
"Unfortunately, the miscreants in today's classrooms are enabled by parents who consider schools to be little more than tax-funded day care centers, where kids are conveniently out of the way while parents continue their own deviant daily activities."

All I can add to this, Prof, is don't forget the courts. Sue the teacher, sue the school, sue their own PARENTS. Sadly many kids in schools today, wouldn't have lasted 1 day at school 30 years ago.

Also perplexing, with great role models for the black community like Justice Thomas, Sowell, Bill Cosby, Walt Williams, to name a few, how is it that more of these youths don't look at them and see the path that leads out of the crappy lifestyle?

no education
these "kids" wind up getting a pass and get no education. they graduate with an inability to read, write or comprehend anything other than how to work an iPod. They then go on to a Black College (on the taxpayers dime of course) where they get yet another pass. They get a college degree without ever having to learn anything let alone respect for all the important things in life. That's why I'd never use a black attorney, dentist, doctor, banker, etc. I have no confidence that they've actually gotten the education their credentials indicate they have.
Racist? Sorry, reality.

The MLK Degree
Back in the early 1980s I worked for an elderly Black man at the Education Board in Atlanta. He had received his Ph.D. from Columbia University in the 1950s (and did he ever have some stories about those days). He used to refer to the current crop of Ph.D. characters that he dealt with in his unceasing efforts to move the "historically Black colleges" off this particular position as "Martin Luther King Doctors". He explained that this meant they had received their degrees out of guilt felt by those who had denied qualified Blacks degrees back in the other days. He used to rage against the Black College Presidents whose attitude, he said, was "Yep, We Dummies! We Dummies!" And I heard him inveighing against "ebonics" with the trenchant observation that nobody was going to hire a person who, no matter how intelligent he might be, could not speak standard English.

And as far as the filthy language of the "Black Culture" (So called), my Auntie who is now 75 taught school in Alabama for 40 years and she says that every year her primary school students would inform her that "My Momma say I don't have to listen to no old White b***h." Auntie would explain to them about the days when Black people were not allowed to learn to read and write and those who taught them would be imprisoned -- and about the courageous White women who fought back against this and risked everything to give their great-grandmothers and grandfathers the gift of education.

You can't teach Black teenagers anything; they are as useless as the average jihadist. But get down to the level of elementary school and start teaching the truth, and you may have a hope.

What sickens me
This whole situation sickens me. Every time I read these articles all I can think is that these kids will be grown up one day and I will have to deal with them sooner or later.
When I studied Black History I vivdly remeber pictures of slavery, and then the pictures of black scientists, black inventors, and how hard previous generations of black people faught hard to be seen not by the color of their skin--but their character and ability. How many black grandmas and grandpas are rolling over in their graves at the way the new generation of kids is being raised?
Now, they are fighting to be seen by the color of their skin and their character and ability be darned!

Without Discipline

Without Discipline, learning cannot take place. Those administrators not only did a disservice to that teacher, I am very glad she sued; they did a disservice to all the students. They should have been taught from day one the first day of kindergarten that the behavior was unacceptable, and that they would be punished.

Many school systems would have suspended students for such behavior. Schools that allow students to run wild cannot keep quality teachers. Quality teachers want to teach not baby sit. I cannot imagine that any learning takes place in a school where administrators refuse to discipline unruly students. Such students interfere with other students' opportunities to learn.

As long as schools get money for warm bodies in seats and not for outcomes, we will continue to see these zoos masquerading as schools.

"Welfare Industrial Complex"
I've generally noticed the institutionalized contempt that quite a few hyphenated-American women have for their male counterparts in the matter of home, hearth & the proper raising of children. Why put up w/ having to share domestic power w/ some MALE when the government can function as a de facto husband providing the financial support necessary for said women children to live “responsibility optional lives?” Why bother w/ a work ethic, education or respect authority when you can stay on the “plantation” in perpetuity? Do you expect their children to behave any differently? How many of the aforementioned urchins are being "raised" by project housing-bound, hyphenated-American single mothers?

Isn’t gender feminism manifested in the form of the “Welfare Industrial Complex” wonderful?

These are the same kids who will
matriculate in our prison system and all of their enablers -- parents, school system, apologists, courts -- will wring their hands about the high percentage of blacks behind bars. Sadly for the youth of this "culture", they are not being taught how to behave in a rule based society. Unfortunately, there are many whites of the same mindset and these crime-breeding subcultures proliferate.

The Black and White of 'Ho' Culture
I am a Republican by nature. What I mean is that I believe in Jesus the Christ and what He taught us. Unfortunately, at the time I really needed to be this way I was not. In the 1960's 70's 80's I was as liberal as anyone. As it turns out, I was wrong. Don't misunderstand me. What legislation in those times did was good however, the liberals created the 'entitlement' culture which we see the results of now. It is al me, me, me!!! The blacks were undoubtedly discriminated against for a long period but when we attempted to make changes, it became the mantra of 'You owe us' rather than now we can become what we are capable of. As a result, we now have the culture of socialism that has not worked ANYWHERE in the world yet people insist upon it here, PLUS a sub-culture of the black community (and appears the Latin community) that in many respects will not work for their betterment but rather demand all be gien to them.

Bass Ackwards
First of all, the "The Black and White of 'Ho' Culture" suggests that the offensive language of these MIDDLE SCHOOLERS is somehow comparable to the offensive language of a fully grown, "professional", media personality. Yes, the language these CHILDREN were using was wrong and apparently the federal court that held for Ms. Kandrac agreed, but, do I really need to explain how the actions of middle schoolers should be held to a different standard than the actions of adults?

Second, this quote from Don: "That's why I'd never use a black attorney, dentist, doctor, banker, etc. I have no confidence that they've actually gotten the education their credentials indicate they have.
Racist? Sorry, reality."

That's just plain old fashioned racist. You didn't even have the forethought to cover it up in newfangled conservative speech about "reverse racism" or "racial preference" or some such nonsense. Not surprising really given your political slant. And irrelevant, because you were going to find a reason to be racist regradless of what alleged damage you perceive affirmative action to have done to the quality of Black professions.

But in your sweeping, biggoted paranoia, that Black professionals are somehow less qualified, you've included: Upper and Middle class Blacks whose grandparents were doctors and lawyers; Africans; European Blacks; Blacks from the Carribean; etc.

I certainly don't want to change your mind because frankly if any Black professional was aware of what kind of racist you are they would certainly not want your business, but I will "call a spade a spade" or in your case I'll call a racist a racist.

Racism is rampant
It does students no favor to be taught racism and uncivil behavior to whites. Anti white racism is rampant in major media and promoted by Sharpton, Jackson, and many black leaders. The tragedy is that taxpayers, and not the guilty will have to pay the $200k.

Bob

Catch more of Bob at http://bobstruth.blogspot.com

the other side
It amazes me that racism is apparently a one-way street in this society, at least as far as the MSM is concerned. I spent some time living in the South not long ago, and when I was still learning my way around I stopped at a chain drugstore - without realizing I was in the "black" part of town. The store was fairly empty, but the young black girl behind the counter went out of her way to help everyone else in the place (also all black, who also all took pains to ignore me) before glaring at me, rolling her eyes and checking me out. That was the first time I experienced racism first hand.

Good for Kandrac and the judges, and shame on the school district and administrators. Allowing this type of abuse - no matter what the race is of the people involved - is hugely detrimental to education and only teaches hate and blame.

my 2 cents
In his 1963 speech MLK Jr. said (I don't have the exact words) "I have a dream that there will come a day when my children will be judged not on the color of their skins but on the content of their character."

I would argue that for those who have the character to embrace it that day has arrived. In fact it arrived long ago.

For those who have the character to embrace it.

unreported scandals
In my universe, a distrubing black phenomenon has been their wholesale migration to government employment to the point that they constitute 100% or nearly 100% of many important governmental functions, and they are dyfunctional. Media does not report it. Judges cuss out clerks for only 10 to 15% of litigation pleadings ever making it into official files. Surly, non responsive employees are tolerated and seem a high percentage. All filings, whether in offices or in medical records of big charity hospitals, are suspect. HMOs report a high percentage of employees who think that throwing client letters into trash can will ease their work load. And my city acknowledges that it has 70% more employees than it should have. Yet blacks that run the city refuse to address problem. To pay for it, they just impose outrageous property taxes on citizens. City Hall had employees who would never leave cafeteria/grill area the whole day until they closed it for a few select hours. These stories go on and on. It is scandalous from multiple perspectives. The reliability of government is selectively destroyed; it is patently a form of welfare; the media refuses to disclose it; black government officials refuse to demand competence; and the impression garnered by the populace is at the other extreme of the image touted by media.

KristinJ
I have to disagree with you about racism being a one way street. True it used to be, but a few recent incidents, most particularly the Don Imus farce, revealed to a lot more folks what some us have known for a long time - that us whities no longer have the monopoly on it.

I would say that as a society we are in a transition phase which will conclude with the vast majority of us (all of us) realizing that whities no longer have the monopoly. Those who DON'T realize this will suddenly find themselves ostracized.

Won't that be a nice day.

J.R.
Are you talking about New Orleans?

Uncle Max
Think you misunderstood my post - I was attempting to say that all you hear about in the news is white racist behavior against blacks, even though that's clearly not the only type of racism. I absolutely agree with you that we as a society need to wake up and realize what's going on.

I lived this black racism
while working for many, many years in a large inner city school system. I've been called white ho, white b---h, white mf, and white girl. If I called any of these kids girl or boy I would have been out of a job. The reverse racism has been going on for a long, long time.

Ignorant, filthy parents came into the school wearing "S---t Happens" t-shirts, calling the teachers everything but a child of God. The filth that came out of the parents mouths was appalling, especially when it was directed at a principal or teacher. What can you expect from the children?

The black culture needs a lot of tuning up and it is time for the people themselves to get their house in order. Blaming Whity is getting stale, very stale. As a group, the culture has been off the back of the bus for almost 50 years, and there is plenty of personal wealth available to them as a group. It is time to start taking care of business.

Black Sub Culture

.....What kind of a culture allows their children to talk about having intercourse with their mother (mother-f*cker) or calls their sisters whores? ...

.....Ans. A culture built on "White Guilt" and keeping the "Man" on the hook ...a culture of Victimhood ...Protected Classes and Political Correctness ...

.....As long as we have Government Schools run by Liberal Unions and Administrators and discriminatory Civil Rights Laws on the Books ...nothing will change ...in fact ...it can only get worse until we have riots in the streets .....COLOSSUS

Early Integration
I was involved in one of the late 68's early 70's school integration plans resulting from the fall of Plessy v. Ferguson. I.e. separate but not equal is not equal. In an unusual move for that era several predominatly white and predominately black student bodies were moved to a historically black school. The thing I remember to this day is that in many respects the black teachers were harsher disciplinarians than their white colleques. One of them, a man, was possibly the best teacher I had in elementary/middle school.

These folks upheld standards.

Parents
Tubbs writes "Yes, the language these CHILDREN were using was wrong and apparently the federal court that held for Ms. Kandrac agreed, but, do I really need to explain how the actions of middle schoolers should be held to a different standard than the actions of adults?"

What part of "the kids heard this same language at home" do you not understand?

I know inner city school teachers who've received the same verbal abuse from parents. This suit is not about the children, it's about their parents.

Black Disrepect for the older generation
It is so sad to me that all of the previous generations of black people who were indeed closer to the struggle of racism and slavery have produced the current generation of many who shun the opportunities given to them. And I don't mean all but I do see this in the faces of black people who have this me first attitude. The older black people I encounter have so much dignity and tend to be more spiritual than their younger counterparts and for all that they have been thru it seems a shame that they are not honored, respected and looked up to by this younger generation. I blame this mostly on the guilt of white liberals who look the other way and indeed encourage these attitudes.

13 years ago
I worked in a school with a significant number of blacks. This school was on the fringe of a mostly all white affluent school district. An apartment house went into bankruptcy and HUD took it over and catered to low income blacks. The school had problems because the blacks brought a different culture. Their play was very sexualized and aggressive. More physical fights especially with one another took place. Sass against the teachers was common. Teacher complaints to parents often brought the comment "I am going to have to whomp him good." something the teachers did not want to happen. It took a number of years but a new principal worked very hard to bring black parents into imput into school life. Some change took place that were positive but a significant number of students went on to the middle and high school with the same abberant culture. The question is: how do we get black parents to see that a change is needed?

current racism
back in the 60's when I first started my career I constantly heard the charges that "the man", "mr charlie", honkies et all were always going to keep blacks in their place and there was no way out of the ghetto. Flash forward 40 years and this nonsense has come to excuse every anti-social behavior that permeates the black community. They are so attuned to the victim status that failure has become a self-fullfilling prophecy. The race pimps like Jackson and Sharpton have only fed this ignorance and encouraged the continued self distruction amongst blacks. Jackson and Sharpton have screamed wolf in so many fraudulent cases that most people other than the dimocrats in washington pay no attention to these charges. Encouraging a victim staus only guarantees it will survive. As long as blacks practice uncivil behavior towards each other why should it shock anyone that this behavior extends towards whites who are, like this teacher, attempting to help. Until blacks get off this cycle of going nowhere, their situation will worsen. It sounds simplistic but if you don't prepare for today, you have no tommorrow. The thug culture and perpetual victim status is the worst enemy facing blacks today. This attitude suggests that until they solve the problem from within and make decisions that will slow down this problem and eventually removing it they will maintain their current status of standing on the outside looking in rather than having successful communities in their midst. Voting for the dims have not produced results, perhaps they should consider other arrangements other than the perpetual plantation the dims have constructed, and you know what I mean

current racism 2
What did the first black president, Clinton do to improve things for blacks? His post presidency was going to be this big project concerning race relations. After six plus years everyone is still waiting. Meanwhile the missus does her minstrel act, talks to black audiences like they are moron children and informs them that like domestics they know what it is like to clean up the white folks messes. Yet blacks still look to these two demeaning simpletons as though they will lead them from the wilderness, all the while under the guidance of those other two phophets of progress, the revs sharpton and jackson

teachers...
My daughter is a 2nd grd teacher. (first year). Her class is next to a teacher who is black. All she hears is this teacher yelling at the students to sit their a$$ down and cursing and screaming all day long. Mind you, no teaching whatsoever. Apparently, this teacher also has a record for assault, go figure how was she hired. On the other hand there is another black teacher who is always apologizing for the behavior of her "people", which is surprising. My daugther was educated in a private school and the parents were very involved. The parents typically sided with the teachers on behavioral issues and the principles disciplined the students as should be. My daughter has had teacher parent conferences and parents don't show up. Or they'll come in during school hours cussing out the teacher in front of the students. I think the whole purpose of affirmative action was to give blacks the opportunity their parents didn't have and take advantage of that, but all I see is that they've wiped out all the hard work MLK did for them and yes it appears they expect and demand the handout. It's time to pick yourselves up and join the human race...

"Ho" Culture
None of this "Ho" culture will change until all entitlements end. I mean food stamps, welfare, SSI, low-income housing, etc.

My wife, who has taught in public schools in Mississippi (High School level) for almost 30 years has watched her Black students (and, yes her White students from poor families) slowly come to the point described in this article.

The only way I can see to fix this problem is to shut down all entitlements.

Uncle Max
Not New Orleans, but major city. Auditors determined that our city/county property tax office (where our billion is revenue is assessed and collected) was audit proof. Think about that, and remember that this office dispenses large checks and receives them. And, the head of it constantly argues for increased compensation as a percentage of revenue (in millions as government servant)! It (governmental departments totally dysfuntional) is actually worse than I describe, attitude wise and sloth wise, but it would be best described by a succession of typical stories. The image that it conveys to citizens is in stark, stark contrast to the one protrayed by media.

Racism? Bass ackwards?
Couple quick comments, not necessarily related to the excellent article regarding mistreatment of a schoolteacher.

Tubbs - You're an idiot. If I'm reading your letter right, you're attempting to justify the language used by kids against a teacher and acceptable because the children should be held to a lower standard than an adult? I'll stipulate that holding a 12-year-old boy to the same standards of conduct that I'd expect of a 30 year old man is unreasonable, but allowing that 12-year-old to direct that sort of language toward anybody in a position of authority is absolutely unacceptable. It isn't even a matter of skin color at this point; it's a matter of respect toward authority. The simple fact that these kids are learning this language and these attitudes at home is key to the issue; the fact that in this case it was black-vs-white racism is immaterial. Having said that, however, I will add that were these white students addressing a black teacher, it'd be on the front page of the New York Times until sometime in the next century.

Don - much as it pains me to agree with a liberal democrat, your statement was racist. Dismissing a professional because of their skin color is no better than what many of these children and parents are doing to the white teachers. Do a little homework, ask for references, check into somebody's professional background before summarily dismissing them for being black. I've talked to black doctors and lawyers, etc. that I wouldn't use again. I've also talked to many that I'd use in a heartbeat and refer to others. It's about quality and professionalism, not skin color.

For the record, I'm a conservative Republican, serving in the U.S. Army. I guess that makes me too dumb to have an opinion, right, John?

sputnik
thank you for your service to this country. because of you and others like you we enjoy the freedom to expound wisdom on these threads

US Army
My impression is that the Army and the delivery company UPS both do outstanding jobs in removing a chip off shoulder of minorities (that media foments and indoctorinates). To me, only a tiny fraction of blacks appear colorless,as just human beings, as most exude their culture. The most impressive silent display of black pride and precision that I have ever felt was watching two black US Army or Marine drill sargents as I waited in an airport, as they waited also. I said nothing but I wanted to hug them or shake their hand. Just standing still, seated or relaxed, they looked great, even though there was no intensity about them; just normal for the ocassion. But affable, confident, and accomplished. Foreign films that include blacks are much more likely to depict them an regular human beings, than a member of the hood, than most any film in America (although one or two of our very best actors do so inherently). School is tougher problem, because as Harvard professor Charles Murry points out, it is stupid to be throwing criticism at teachers, and money at schools, for many with 80 IQ. Our politicians and media refuse to acknowledge truth, and the rest of us are enslaved by PC propaganda. The above article was refreshing.

What can we do?
I am a teacher in a North Carolina public high school. While I have never been subject to anything like what Elizabeth Kandrac experienced, I have witnessed similar behaviors and incidents. I agree that students should be punished and suspended for such behaviors, but when they are sent away from school for a while, they usually come back worse than they were before. It is sad but true that teachers often must tolerate the nearly intolerable if we hope to successfully serve those students who are in school to learn how to make their lives and our communities better.

Chris...
Hats off to you and your decision to teach. It's a wonder that there is a soul left who wants to be a teacher given the environment forced upon them by apathetic parents (of several hues) and P.C. administrators. I've been asked why I didn't become a teacher. I wouldn't last a week. The first ill-mannered thug to give me the grief given Ms Kandrac would have been spitting chicklets and I'd be in jail. Until educators grow a pair and reclaim control of their schools by enforcing rules of decorum, all is lost for the kids who are there for the right reasons. Disrupting a school classroom should be on a par with shoplifting--a crime

we all know
First of all i can say that racism goes on everyday everywhere in the world, not just in America (but this is without a doubt known) I see this "Black White" Racism almost everytime i step outside and get on to my bus, as a student of the "south" i have come to see Stern looks and harsh tones directed at me indirectly just because of my color, Yes i am white and no i am not racist. To be a youngman in my position can sometimes be confusing, seeing people calling eachother names bt not out of hatred but for fun and as if it was a nice "hello, how are you" I just dont understand why the generations of today are so influenced by the trash produced by those who think Gangsterisms are "It" can they realy be that simple minded as to see removing all your teeth and replacing them with gold ones as cool? This proves nothing but there own self preservation as a person and not as a culture, they care not abotu the masses but about themselves and how they see themselves, I could be wrong however because where do they get the ideas from anyway? Songs? Movies? and more of the like? It just cant be explained with civil decency or without someone getting angry. One day i truely hope we can all stop being so childesh and listen to our Conscience. The one that tells us to be human beings as whole and not human beings as one

Thanks Sputnik!
Your reasoned response (idiot?) reaffirms my preconceived notions about your political group.

You said:

"Tubbs - You're an idiot. If I'm reading your letter right, you're attempting to justify the language used by kids against a teacher and acceptable because the children should be held to a lower standard than an adult?"

Uh ,no, you're not reading my "letter" "right" (or "correctly"). I did not try to justify these CHILDREN'S language at all. I said that:

"the language these CHILDREN were using was wrong and apparently the federal court that held for Ms. Kandrac agreed, but, do I really need to explain how the actions of middle schoolers should be held to a different standard than the actions of adults?"

Maybe I DO need to explain how and why the actions of middle schoolers should be held to a different standard than the actions of supposed adults like Don Imus.

Get a grip people
African Americans make up a whopping 12% of the U.S. population. If every Black person in this country was racist against whites (which they aren't) it would be a drop in the American bucket of hate.

All this talk about Black racism against whites is pretty simple-minded.

Yes, racism from any group of people is wrong and should be condemned, but really people. Given the history of racism in this country (majority against minority) and the demographic make-up of this country, you're talking about nothing.

tubbs: Standards. Try Them.
First: Middle Schoolers should be held to the same standard as Don Imus regarding language. What, do you think at high school these kids suddenly have an appreciation for respectful language and say to themselves, "I don't think I'll use b***h, h*, mut**rfu***r, n***a anymore because it isn't classy."

If you don't force standards when they are young they won't have any when they are older. We're not talking about the occaisional gaffe, we're talking about 'round the clock epithets and slurs with no discipline from the shcool or parents.

"African Americans make up a whopping 12% of the U.S. population. If every Black person in this country was racist against whites (which they aren't) it would be a drop in the American bucket of hate."

So I take it that if I were to fill a 10 gallon bucket of water and fill it up 10%, you would not mind having a gallon of water thrown onto your face and down your back. If blacks were to make up 12% of the population but account for 25% of the hate, they would be disproportiaitely racist compared to say, Evil Whitey/Gringo Maximo, even if 51% of us made up 51% of the hate.

The blacks of today are a disgrace compared to thier ancestors. Thier ancestors knew what the struggle was because they actually had to live it, today's blacks think "the struggle" is not getting enough welfare money from whitey. They spend thier cash on rims, gold teeth, big gulps, and care about "being gangsta," but have no appreciation for what thier elders fought for: Thier ability to become doctors, lawyers, congressmen, CEOs, and other professionals who were treated just as the white people were.

MLKJr. was not assasinated so P. Diddy, R. Kelly, and Tupac could rap on about BH&N. Nothing has done more to destroy black culture than rap music and its inherent misogyny and promotion of the gangsta lifestyle. The blacks of yesteryear fought for opportunity; the blacks of today squander any they have and pretend it doesn't exist.

What can we do?

An important step would be to stop budgeting base on attendance. It creates the wrong incentive.

I will repeat discipline is the main point. Students who misbehave should be suspended. Students that continue to misbehave even after suspensions should be sent to alternative school.

Successful school systems have strict rules of behavior, with clear and uniformed disciplinary policies. However, due to economic constraints and faulty logic, some schools do not want to suspend students, or send them to alternative school. They just want a warm body in class because schools get paid base on attendance. Or they do not want to hold minority students to high standards.

Schools without discipline are zoos that are dangerous for all concerned. They are the type of places were violent crimes occur and go unreported and unpunished. Where teachers are afraid to say anything to students, because they will not be supported by administrators, and they will be threaten or attacked by students and parents.

Race is not really the point; you can see black students from the same neighborhoods succeed in Parochial and Christians schools. You can even see a turn around when new administrators with old-fashioned ideas come in to clean up troubled schools.

Of course, one must admit that middle school students are very difficult to deal with.

tubbs
Racism and bigotry is kept alive by persons such as jackson and sharpton. After 40 plus years since Johnson" great society blacks are worse off today that before. Education achievement, out of wedlock births. disintegration of the family unit are but three area in serious decline. To claim that whites are racist is disingenuous to the problem. I don't hear white addressing blacks by sterotypical names but that doesn't stop blacks from doing the same to whites. That blacks enpower the destruction of their own community and use various demeaning and degrading epithets towards each other shows a basic lack of respect for fellow human beings. Blacks will have to come to terms with their own self destructive behavior if they want to progress as a people. Throwing money at the problem, excusing their behavior anti social behavior and not holding them accountable for their own actions only encourages their lifestyle and takes them down the road to further entrenching their status as non-contributors to society. They must work to save themselves. White's wishing that things will improve is mearly wishful thinking at best and destructive at worst as it doesn't address the problem

Adult standards applied to children
Brian suggests: Middle Schoolers should be held to the same standard as Don Imus regarding language.

Great idea Brian! Let's do the same for all adult behavior. Since children have all the experience, full mental development and capacity as adults, we should certainly hold them to the same standards. Odd that your fantastic idea hasn't caught on in the judicial system, or educational system, or anywhere else in society. I mean since Middle Schoolers can drive, and drink, and vote like adults, it makes perfect sense to hold them to the same language standards as adults.

Next he says, "The blacks of today are a disgrace compared to thier ancestors.

Bold statement although you could've used a spell checker. Blacks of today like Colin Powell? Blacks of today like Barack Obama? Blacks of today like Condi Rice? And while you bring up the names of P. Diddy and R. Kelly you neglect to mention that either one could buy you and the rest of your red-necked family as cheap labor to mow their respective lawns.

And "wildwest" says, "After 40 plus years since Johnson" great society blacks are worse off today that before."

Well which one is it? Are Blacks worse off so we should have affirmative action or are Blacks better off so affirmative action is no longer necessary? I'm waiting.

While you're pondering that question I suggest you read conservative author, Abigail Thernstrom's, America in Black and White which debunks your foolish claim. (reviewed here: http://www.reason.com/news/show/30598.html )

Or read Thomas Sowell or anyone else who has actually looked at the data.

tubbs
by any standard you wish to apply. Affirmative action and any preference program is unfair to society. One in that is does not recognize achievement and the other in that the trhere will always be the undercurrent that the person lacked lacked the qualifications. The black family as a group is certainly worse off thanks to the interference of libs who believe blacks are incapable of any achievement withoput the help and guidance

To: tubbs
In a sarcastic response to Brian, you state:

"Great idea Brian! Let's do the same for all adult behavior. Since children have all the experience, full mental development and capacity as adults, we should certainly hold them to the same standards. Odd that your fantastic idea hasn't caught on in the judicial system, or educational system, or anywhere else in society. I mean since Middle Schoolers can drive, and drink, and vote like adults, it makes perfect sense to hold them to the same language standards as adults."

Just a quick question: if you are advocating that these middle school children be held to NO standards of behavior, then just how do you expect them to ever learn any kind of manners other than the lowest common denominator--which they evidently already exhibit? I repeat--this part of your position self-destructs, since if no one ever teaches them any standard of behavior, they will learn none.

ZB2
didn't that analogy used to be about a horse and drinking water. As long as libs keep their plantation for blacks in operation nothing will change. The rev jackson maintains affirmative action should never end because all whites are guilty by the color of their skin. I am still wondering how my parents who arrived after WW2 from war torn Europe inherit the guilt of the 18 and 19th centuries. Other posters have suggested that since whites attained great wealth from the labor of slaves that reparation payments are owed to blacks. If my white family attained great wealth I never saw it. I guess the area outside of Pittsburg where I grew up was missed during the wealth distribution

There are options
Bill Cosby has been crusading for years to get black Americans to take advantage of the opportunities open to them and to assume responsibility for their own actions instead of blaming those actions on whitey. The black "leadership", aided and abetted by the MSM, has tried mightily to discredit him, and to ignore the real leaders like Clarence Thomas and Thomas Sowell.

The public schools in general are a mess, with few behavioral standards and few means of enforcing those that exist. Schools "serving" predominantly low-motivated neighborhoods of whatever racial demographic may as well be closed. The people most disadvantaged by them are those parents who genuinely desire a real education for their children, but who are being denied one because of conditions like those described in Brentwood Middle School. Those who have access to charter schools use them, but many don't have this access and can’t afford private tuition. And the NEA and its socialist enablers will see themselves in Hades before they’ll stop fighting school vouchers, however advantageous this would be for those very people that the libs bleat so much about “helping”—which only exposes such “help” for the enforced subjugation that it is.

Parents whose only desire is to park their kids someplace where they, the parents, aren’t should have that choice, and that choice should be a public daycare center where the kids can be warehoused much more cheaply than at a public daycare center masquerading as a school. With the money saved, replacement programs, in which students with learning disabilities attend separate classes to receive help in those subject areas with which they’re having difficulty, then return to the regular classrooms for everything else, should be instituted. Mainstreaming as a general practice should end. Vocational programs should be reinstated to give those who lack the intellectual wherewithal to master an academic curriculum a marketable skill. Behavior should be strictly specified and enforced by transferring miscreants to the daycare centers—or to reform schools, which should also be brought back.

Vouchers should be available to all who want them, but if the public schools were to ensure that children who want to learn could do so in a hospitable environment, it’s likely that they wouldn’t be used all that much.

In St. John Island, South Carolina, in an impoverished community not far from Brentwood Middle School’s Charleston, a retired teacher named Faye Brown started a school. The story of her efforts and of one of the students attending her school can be read via this link:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/bminiter/?id=110009749

If the link doesn't work, just google Rontrell's Choice.



Student Behavior
I attempted to teach in Richland District One in the Critical Needs Program. I remained a total of three hours. It was an experience I will never forget. A majority of the students did not demonstrate any desire to learn or behave. The entire class was black. I now teach at the college level, and deal with the products of the local school system. Many cannot write a sentence.

in re Tubbs, what standard should be in effect? Many of these children are going to graduate to DJJ and SCDC, is that the standard you desire?

Parents
It really is going to take the parents being involved to straighten this out. My parents taught me respect for authority. If any bad reports came home from school about me or my sisters, they would get to the bottom of it, if I was in the wrong I was going to be able to heat my own bath water. There is no excuse for language like that. If it is used at home you are a lousy parent with cretin's vocabulary.

As for not using black doctors, bankers, etc. Incompetance comes in all colors. I will interject this about Ben Carson. He is the top pediatric neurosurgeon in the country, who also happens to be black. He does some pro-bono work sometimes. On one occassion a black child had been refered to him, when the child's mother saw him she said "I'm not letting no affirmative action doctor work on my kid's head". Dr. Carson said that really hit home as to how the program is seen.

Once again the children'S behavoir cannot be excused, it wasn't how I was raised, and my wife and I do not and will not let our children act like that. Imus, he's a lefty that was eaten by his own (Jesse and Al). If the team were white and the program host black nothing would have been said.

KC
Msgt USAF (Ret)

tubbs: grow up or shut up
"...do I really need to explain how the actions of middle schoolers should be held to a different standard than the actions of adults?"

No, you don't: adults who talk like that are fired, fined, sued, etc. Well, if they're whites talking to or about blacks, anyway.

Refraining from using profanity on your teacher is NOT an unreasonable standard to expect of middle schoolers. At what age did you learn not to call your teachers wh0res? At what age will you expect your kids to stop cursing and using racial slurs?

"And irrelevant, because you were going to find a reason to be racist regradless of what..." So you can read minds, huh? Oh, and speaking of spell checking, did you perhaps mean “regardless”?

12% is a drop in the bucket? Then (A) send me 12% of your money (it's just a drop in the bucket), and (B) immediately cancel all affirmative action, minority scholarships, etc. Why have all that fuss over a lousy 12%? It's just a drop in the bucket!

"...you neglect to mention that either one could buy you and the rest of your red-necked family as cheap labor..." Ah, you haven't yet reached the age where racial slurs are unacceptable. As I said: grow up or shut up.


The point of this article....
as I understand it is that there is a double standard. In many circles it is considered wrong to commit a racial rant against a black but not so if it is a black doing it to a white. There are those in the civil rights industry that will state emphatically that a black person cannot be a racist because they have no power. This is apparently an excuse for misbehavior.

black culture
A few years ago, I took my family to a minor baseball game in a nearby state. There was a group of young black people sitting in front of us. When the national anthem was played, they remained seated and talked and chatted totally obvious or totally defiant. I couldn't help but think how sad that these young people aren't taught proper respect. There were a couple of adults with the group that didn't seem to care either. I believe that you can take people out of slavery, but you can't take slavery out of people.

We're on our way down...
It's sad to say, but I think that we are experiencing the decline of a once great nation as a result of nearly 20 years of liberal indoctrination in our schools from "headstart" to college.

As one of the earlier posters stated, our society has become a responsibility-optional culture, where education and achievement are reviled. This stems primarily from the marginalization of the father and the family unit concept. This has been particularly damaging to the Black community because it set up the perpetual welfare plantation which roughly half of the community resides. Disrespect for authority, wholesale rejection of education and REAL culture, and what you have is a balkanized community of savages.

Again, because a Black man articulates this in the company of mixed ethnicities, I'm an Uncle Tom, a sellout or whatever the popular term is for the "Negro Turncoat".

Brujo Blanco
Those that make the claim blacks have no power ignore situations where individual blacks do have power over others. Colin Powell was a general. Do these people seriously claim he had no opportunities for racist decisions? How about Clarence Thomas? Or Spike Lee? On average, whites have more opportunities, but many situations are far from average.

Prof_Chin
Obviously you take some nasty shots. I do hope you hang mostly with people who give you the courtesy of credit for honest opinions formed during efforts to strive for the greatest good.

Reply To Kathleen Parker

"While the dollars-and-cents issue may have been of paramount importance to school and district officials -- and would have lent heft to the verdict -- the more compelling issue for students, parents and society is the idea that a particular group of people can be allowed to behave in a grossly uncivil and threatening way by virtue of their racial ``culture," (KP)."
***


Yes we know:

Brave coward Byron De La Beckwith was allowed to shoot Medgar Ever's in the back, brag about it and walk free for nearly 40 years, because of "white culture."

Super brave cowards Bryant and Milan were allowed to crucify, mutilate and kill a little black boy, little Emmit Till, and not only walk free, but admit that they did it, and to top it all off, sold their story to Look Magazine, because of "white culture."

Since when does whistling at a white woman command the death penalty in America?

Dynamite choir boys, Chambliss and his boys, brave hero types, because of "white culture," bombed four little black girls as the girls were getting ready for church, bragged about it and walked free for years, before finally being brough to justice nearly 40 years later.

So don't act like this Kandrac case, involving a group of alledgedly stupid, ignorant, disrespectful kids and equally stupid administrators and defense attorney's who countenance such outrageous behavior, is a new twist on race relations.
***

Any administrator, manager, district director, area manager, or principle who knew about this hostile work environment or should have known about it and failed to take action to prevent it should be fired on the spot.

Those in charge are responsible for whatever happens or fails to happen.

There is no wiggle room in responsibility.
***

People are in school to learn and to teach and not be subjected to these insults and assaults on their person and integrity.

Administrator's and defense attorney's: this is INSANITY.

Other kids are eating our kids' lunch on the SATs and you got time to sit on your lazy behinds and perpetuate the stupid myth that this behavior should be protected as culture?

Give me a flying break!!!

If you believe this nonsense then you need to be relieved of duty forthwith.

You are not fit to lead kids.

You better sit these kids down and give them the straight skinny before they try and go on someone's job with this craziness.
***

I have never been so outdone in all my life.

I can't believe it, that someone would argue that this is culture.

I am so mad I can't see straight!!!
***

Who do these kids think they are that they can go around insulting teachers.

Let me tell you kids something right now!!!!

Talking trash?

Is that what you call it?

I'll tell you what talking trash is:

When you can make a perfect score on the SAT, then you can talk trash.

Until then shut up and study!!!!

If you can play basketball for 16 hours a day, you sure as heck can study your physics and calculus for 16 hours a day.

I don't want to hear anymore excuses.

GET BUSY and SHUT YOUR TRAP!!!
***


Look at how Jobs and Wozniak did it. They met in these weekly groups. One would invent something one week and someone else would improve on it the next week over and over again, so that they propelled the computer industry forward more so than what it would have been without their efforts. And we all are the beneficiaries of that.

Look at the little Napster kid. Just 19 years old and danged near singled handedly destroyed the multi-billion music industry with their guilded offices, limousines and high-priced Harvard and Yale lawyers.

Had their butts before Congress trying to defend themselves.

A 19 year old kid did that; and what are you doing; running around here cursing teachers.

You better hit the books right, NOW!!!!!
***

You think you have it hard?

I don't want to hear it.

Go see A Pursuit of Happyness. That's hard.

Go see Men of Honor. That's quadruple hard.

Look at Betsy Coleman. Had to go all the way over to France to learn to fly. Now that's hard to 10th power.

Look at Fig Newton. Flew slot with the famed Thunderbirds, Airforce demonstration team. Slot is the hardest position to fly on the team.
***

You little snotty-nosed runts.

You better get busy and do something to make your mother and father proud, and leave a good legacy for your children and grand children.
***

Instead of wasting all that energy running the streets and cusing teachers, go over to your grandmothers house and paint her house.

Make yourself useful.

Go home to Mom, and take out the trash; make your bed;mow the lawn; in fact start your own lawn mowing business.
***

Stop dreaming.

You are not going to be the next Michael Jordan.

Michael Jordan was Michael Jordan in high school; so were Kobey Bryant and Lebron James.

If you are in high school and you are not as good as Kobey is right now, forget it. Do something else.

You can't compete.

Your competition is not your local high school competion but Kobey and LeBron.

No, you say?

Yes they are.

Proof:

When and if you get to the pros, whose going to be there to posterize your little stinky defense, with a monster jam right in your silly little face.?

That's right, Kobey and LeBron.

Go do something else "Mr. bad-attitude-cursing teacher" kid.

Better recognize and get a real job.
***

I'll defend you when you are right, but you kids are dead wrong on this one.












Response to Tubbs and other comments
Tubbs: First off, I apologize for calling you an idiot. Whether or not my original statement reinforces your preconceived notions of my political group is immaterial. The reason I wear the uniform and my country's flag on my shoulder is to protect and defend the Constitution, including your right to voice your opinion. Having said that, I still disagree with your beliefs on this matter. I do think I'd enjoy discussing it with you sometime, however.

Prof_Chin: I'm very impressed with your comments in this forum. Your statement about a "responsibility-optional culture" seem to hit the nail on the head in a lot of areas. This article (and most of the resulting comments) aren't about racism per say, but about a lack of responsibility in almost all facets of American culture, most evident in the lack of respect for authority, black or white.

Teachers: My hat is off to you - you do an incredibly difficult and frequently thankless job in a society that all too often fails to pay you the respect you deserve. I honestly couldn't do your job, and I thank you for stepping forward to educate our children.

Say what?
You got to be kidding! It wasn't the teachers or admin, it was the students? My oldest sister has been teaching in the public school system in Columbus Ga in a predominantly black school along with other black teachers -- not a day goes by when they aren't calling her a 'ho, a b***-word, an sl**ut, a f'-up, a nut, a ballbuster, a crackhead, a cracker-lover, a skeezer, and everything else you can name. It goes along with the terrority teaching in certain schools. If it came from teachers and administrators, she'd have a case...kids call BLACK teachers nasty names day in and day out.

Black Knight
Good post, will keep an eye out for future ones...

Ebony and Irony
I went to the Charleston School District web site and learned that "People learn more effectively in a safe, healthy, nurturing, respectful environment."

Also, Brentwood Middle School is "A proud participant in CCSD's Safe Schools/Healthy Students initiative."

If Ms. Kandrac's story is true, the administrators involved in Brentwood Middle obviously care nothing about the students at that school, and only for their own sorry positions.

True justice in this story would be the (ir)responsible administrators, in their infirm years, being cared for at the nursing home by their students from Brentwood Middle.

comments to various posts
Demosthenes - Your comments on the institutionalized contempt" for fathers (and men in general) is a HUGE part of this problem. Far too often, in television, movies, etc., we see the mens' role in the family made out to be a farce, unnecessary, or an outright menace. This is insulting to all of the really good fathers out there. What is really sad is that the people buying into this nonsense don't realize that there are some in positions of power who want them kept down, use such tactics specifically for that purpose, and keep getting voted in by the very same people.

J.R. - Your information on government jobs being held by blacks who do not care enough to perform their duties is truly scary. First, using color as an excuse for bad behavior is self-insulting. Perhaps one could even apply a self-racist label. Making this worse is that no one is doing anything about it. Who is keeping who down here? When I was growing up, we were taught that you got what you worked for. Now a lot of people seem to think that they should stay "victims" forever, and get everything for free. Not only sad, but lazy as well, no matter what the color of the person doing it.

tubbs - Where do I start? I have seen people like you before. When my eldest daughter and her husband were renting an apartment in a pretty low-income area, predominately black, I saw a few with your attitude. Mind you, most of their neighbors would be outside, in decent weather, and most were very friendly. The sense of community among that group is something to envy. My German-looking appearance didn't matter to them at all. On the other hand, there were exceptions. The young angry man that threw a can at my beat-up old vehicle, when I was giving my daughter a lift, eyes filled with hate because we whited dared to be in his 'hood, is a great example. That attitude is THE reason we still have white/black race issues. The idea that it is somehow racist to arrest a black for a crime, or to excuse horrible behavior based on skin color, or even to, as a city official, actively encourage blacks to riot because a black man that tried to run down a cop was killed; these things are why this is still an issue. I frankly don't care what color a person is; I care WHO a person is. Your comments to bold statement, calling his family "rednecks", and assuming they would want to mow your yard, are blatantly racist. You should know better. If you can, in any way, excuse that sort of thing, what have you really learned from history? Racism is racism, no matter who it comes from or is directed towards. Plus, when people like Colin Powell, Condi Rice, & Clarence Thomas are ridiculed openly by other blacks, because they have done well without needing to use color, what are other people to think?

spiritof76 - Now that is truly a sad thing. My husband is military, currently serving in Iraq. We have often taken the kids to the on-post movie theater, because the prices a re a bit cheaper, since you have to wait longer to see the movies. Always, before anything else is played, there is a video presentation of the National Anthem, and everyone stands up and salutes the flag. My smallest children (youngest is 3), have learned to place their hand over their heart, and they know very well how important this is. It is my personal opinion that anyone who is unwilling to show the proper respect for our flag and our traditions (and this includes people like the kids you mentioned, and those that think their culture is better than ours, and seek to shove it down our throats), should be removed from the country. Either a person is an American or they aren't. Pick a country. No hyphenated labels, no exceptions. This is just another example of what happens when kids no longer say the pledge in schools.

Prof_Chin - Hon, I have to say that if all blacks thought like you do, we would not have black/white race issues. Ignore the lazy fools that would label you, and know that intelligent, non-racist people know better. Success based on what you can do, and what you work for, is what this nation was founded on. I actually grew up in the south (TN), and went to school there in the late '60's/early '70's. More of our childhood friends were black than white, and we simply didn't care. We chose friends, not skins. We also had the dubious "honor" of getting caught up in the ridiculous bussing that went on then. In my case, I went from a school that was actually fairly mixed, to a school that was mostly black. In my sixth-grade year, there were literally only 4-6 white students in the entire school. I can assume now that this is due to some families removing their kids, and can understand why they did. As one of the few white kids there, I got to be the target of all kinds of nasty comments, threats, etc., because I was not black. This came as quite a shock, as I had known black kids before, and called many friends. One black woman on our street, with 7 kids, we considered an aunt of sorts, as she would watch us if our mother had an appointment or something, and our mom would do the same for her. I really never understood the utter hatred and contempt coming from the kids at this school. However, none of this made me racist - sheesh, my maid-of-honor was black, and a very dear friend. My oldest daughter still considers her daughter a cousin. Maybe if people like you and I can keep our ideas on these posts, we can wake a few people up to the facts. Take care, bro.

Black Knight - 40-year-old crimes cannot be used as excuses for current behavior. At least you admitted that the kids are wrong, but your other comments practically give them an excuse. The civil rights movement is over; it succeeded; wake up and move on already. No one is keeping blacks down now, in this country, but blacks themselves.

srg - Are YOU kidding!?!?!?!?!? If that kind of behavior "goes along with the territory", and you don't see an issue with it, how can you expect other races to respect blacks?? First, there is NO excuse for that coming from any kid. If I had talked that way in school, not only would I have been booted out, but I would have faced some serious trouble at home. This is what a lack of discipline and not teaching respect to our kids gets us. That kins in Georgia call their black teachers this is irrelevant. First, it is wrong to ever speak to a teacher, or anyone else, in such a fashion. Second, the teacher in this case was white, and the comments were always "white" this or that. It shouldn't take a genius to see that these kids are racist. She does have a case (clearly, since she won...), because the school did nothing to control the situation. I guess in that district, the animals are in charge. Wait, before you call me racist for calling them animals, understand that label would apply to ANY kids acting in such a fashion, including my own. My sister taught school for several years, including some in a pretty dangerous area (that one was mostly Hispanic), and I can assure you that she never would have put up with that nonsense. Personally, if I was teaching kids like that, they'd be lucky if they were able to walk to the principal's office, rather than me bodily tossing them there. This, of course, is why I would never take such a job.

Finally, let me state that I believe the people that could believe this woman had no case would be the same people that let their kids run wild in stores and restaurants, messing things up, being disruptive, etc. My kids act up, they are punished. They continue, they go home. I have even been known to tell noisy, disruptive kids in theaters to shut up and sit down, or get out. This once included a large group of teens.

People need to wake up and realize that personal responsibility and mutual respect are VITAL to the survival of this country, or surely this country will fail. Lok at history. Every single time a great nation fell, the fall was preceeded by civil and moral decay.

Sorry about the length, but there were a lot of points I wanted to address.



sorry state of public schools
This article proves to me that we need to end the public school system. If the parents have to be around their own children all day- trust me the behavior would change.


Since we know that will never happen- the time of mandatory schooling needs to end at the eighth grade.

It would do two things:
first, the curriculum would have to improve because there are four fewer years to waste. Second, people who have no interest or aptitude for higher education could go on with their lives, learn a trade, and join the real world.

Please don't tell me I am being naive- it was done for centuries before 1960 with reasonable success, often in spite of ignorant and even criminal parents.( E.G. Look up the history of Irish immigration in New York)
What is naive is to think you can strip away tradition and discipline and still run a school. Can't be done. What you have is a prison. Perhaps worse,at least prisons have rules.
Universal education through adulthood is a pretty new idea which obviously does not work.

Of course this is ultimately a spiritual problem. Since the 60s the education establishment has been hell bent on destroying respect for families, tradition, civilization and religion, and we see the result:Lord of the Flies.

You need to go private, experimental, or charity,or religious, or even partially subsidized. But "public" is finished. There is no fixing this mess.
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