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Wednesday, May 02, 2007
Kathleen Parker :: Townhall.com Columnist
Those 27 Words
by Kathleen Parker
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ORANGEBURG, S.C. -- Of all the words spilled during the recent Democratic presidential debate, the most interesting were 27 of Hillary Clinton's in response to a question about the candidates' biggest mistakes.

Clinton began self-effacingly, saying that her mistakes were too numerous to list, but offered a couple: that whole health care thing. ``And, you know, believing the president when he said he would go to the United Nations and put inspectors into Iraq to determine whether they had WMD.''

Say what? While we're pulling deflections out of the memory hole, what about believing the international community that Saddam Hussein had chemical and biological weapons?

Or, to bring it closer to home, what about believing her husband, who told Larry King on July 22, 2003, that ``it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons''?

What Hillary Clinton was trying to say, it seems, was anything to avoid suggesting that she had made a mistake in voting for the 2002 joint resolution authorizing the use of force against Iraq.

Admitting error regarding Iraq has become the litmus test for Democratic candidates. Among the top tier, John Edwards has repeatedly declared his vote a mistake. Barack Obama, though not yet in Congress at the time of the vote, was always opposed to the war and says he predicted what has come to pass. Clinton had admirably resisted joining the mea culpa chorus, but finally succumbed. If she had known then what she knows now, she began saying relatively recently, she wouldn't have voted the way she did.

Quick show of hands: How many would have supported invading Iraq had they known there were no WMD? Doubtless, not many, even though overthrowing Saddam Hussein had been a standing U.S. policy since the late 1990s.

Kenneth Pollack, author of ``The Threatening Storm: The Case for Invading Iraq,'' said in a 2004 interview that he shared the Bush administration's belief that ``it would eventually be necessary to go to war to prevent Saddam Hussein from acquiring nuclear weapons.''

Pollack, who was an Iran-Iraq military analyst for the CIA, differed with the Bush administration about when and how to tackle Iraq. Though highly critical of pre- and post-war planning, he, too, believed that Saddam was a threat.

``I can't think of anyone who did not believe that the Iraqis had a weapons of mass destruction program,'' he said. ``There was simply no one.''

Even Saddam believed he had a biological, chemical and, possibly, nuclear program in place. As David Kay told The New York Times following his post-invasion survey of suspected arms caches, Iraq was still researching and developing ricin production and weaponization up to the end. Otherwise, according to Kay, Saddam's scientists lied to the Iraqi leader about weapons programs in order to get government funds.

Among those who argued compellingly in favor of the war resolution was the now-contrite Edwards. On Sept. 12, 2002, he told the Senate that the time had come for decisive action against Saddam -- to do ``whatever is necessary to guard against the threat posed by an Iraq armed with weapons of mass destruction, and under the thumb of Saddam Hussein.''

Edwards may feel that the war has gone badly -- who doesn't? -- but his vote was consistent with thinking at the time that prevention was necessary to survival. The invasion was clearly aimed at guarding against the unthinkable in the context of fresh and horrific wounds.

Saying that one's vote -- exercised in good conscience based on convincing information -- was a mistake is meaningless rhetoric in the service of politics. Clinton seemed to understand that and her resistance to the cheap grace of public confession was refreshing while it lasted.

Her biggest mistake, alas, was not in believing that Bush would place U.N. inspectors in Iraq, which was never part of the war resolution. Bush did say, perhaps disingenuously, that he hoped force wouldn't be necessary -- and many wished that inspectors, who were in Iraq, had had more time.

But Saddam was persistently in violation of U.N. resolutions. Believing Bush seemed a better bet than believing Saddam.

The clear intent of the resolution, meanwhile, was to authorize war, if necessary. That's what Clinton voted for. Her mistake is trying to pretend it was something else, and hoping no one will notice.

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Jetpilot,
You need to come down to a lower altitude, dude. I have a feeling that you are impervious to logic and reason, but I'm going to give this a shot.

"We trusted Bush."

-- Really? You did? All the Democrats in congress...they trusted Bush too? How about the Democrats sitting on the Senate Intelligence Committee? How long before that did all the Democrats in Washington trust Bush?

Senator Ried: "Du-u-u-u-de! Did you review, like, the intelligence reports, or like, did you just copy off of Cheney's notes again?"

Senator KKK: "Awwwww man, like I was TOTALLY going to read the intel but like, the WAVES were RAGIN' dude! But I've ALWAYS trusted Bush and Cheney."

...

The following two paragraphs are protected by an intelligence field, which means you'll be forced to ignore it. To you, it will appear as blank space:

Darth Cheney and Chimpbushitler do not filter the intel before it goes to the Democrats.

So, what does it mean that everyone sees the intel and makes conclusions for themselves? It means the Democrats are lying about their motives for voting to authorize the war. It means they are lying now.

...

Also please ignore the following questions:

Do you believe that Saddam was not interested in developing nukes?

Do you believe that Saddam was not a threat to either the US, or other countries in the Middle-East?

Do you believe that Saddam wasn't the sadistic, mass-murdering tyrant with imperial ambitions that the Repukeniks make him out to be?


jetpilot

Oh, God. That dumb commercial pilot crashed and burned again!

I am beginning to think he actually believes the stuff he writes. To get his "so called" point across, he now has to capitalize his words. Hasn't anyone told him "shouting" doesn't make his point any more valid than being calm about (assuming he has a point).

Good grief. I wish he would change his mantra. It is getting tiresome.

Redstatesredkoolaid - your post of 8:05

Say, have you considered becoming a member of Congress? We already have about 535 U.S. representatives who think they can manage the war in Iraq better than the CIC.

Maybe you could join them because obviously they need more help. Where have you been hiding? You should have let us know long before now that you possessed this wisdom.

jetpilot
"Well the reason NO ONE HAD DOUBT WAS TWO FOLD: We trusted Bush. Second no one knew the level of incompetence or deception or both in this administration was so deep and complete."

Ditto Clinton. Ditto Congress. Ditto other leaders here and around the world. Ditto, too, let's not forget, Saddam's incompetence and deceptions.

Used to be conservatives naturally distrusted government. That shouldn't be discarded when, historically, in times of crisis, the nation turns to liberal trust.

SHUT UP EXCUSE MAKERS
The article is good.

``I can't think of anyone who did not believe that the Iraqis had a weapons of mass destruction program,'' he said. ``There was simply no one.''

Well the reason NO ONE HAD DOUBT WAS TWO FOLD: We trusted Bush. Second no one knew the level of incompetence or deception or both in this administration was so deep and complete.

THEY SOLD IT VERY WELL AND THEY WHERE 100% WRONG. THE BLAME FALLS 100% AT BUSH AND THE NEO-CON CABAL ENABLERS, REPUBLICANS.

THE GOP PARTY IS DAMAGED DEEPLY WHICH WILL AFFECT ELECTIONS FOR THEN NEXT 10 YEARS; BUT WHO CARES. GOD AND COUNTRY ARE MORE IMPORTANT. ITS OUR NATION THAT WAS WOUNDED. WE CAN HEAL BUT WE NEED NEW LEADERSHIP, NOT IDEOLOGIES WHO'S MAIN PLAN IS POLITICAL, NOT JUST WIN BUT DESTROY THE OTHER PARTY. IT BLEW UP IN THEIR FACE.

GOD BLESS AMERICA. WE ARE A GREAT NATION AND GOD WILL GUIDE AND PROTECT US. GOD HAS SPOKEN, BUSH IS NOT GOD'S CHOICE! I CRINGE WHEN PAT ROBERTSON SAYS HURRICANES ARE CAUSED BY GAYS, BUT I CAN SAY ALL THE FAILURES OF OUR NATIONAL POLICIES ARE BUSH'S FAULT. GOD IS NOT FOR THIS WAR.

Not only where mistakes made, not only where critical counter-intel refuting the PRO WAR talking points ignored, it appears some facts WHERE totally MADE UP, faked, falsified, with clandestine counter-intel ops. I doubt italy had a motive of stake in making up fake Iraq nuke threats up for the USA.


NOW FOR YOU HATE CLINTON CROWD. First when it comes to mistake you have BIG BRASS ONES to criticize Clinton when YOUR Republican Boy, G-Dub-a-u, is the leader of the biggest screw ups and most incompetent presidential administration in recent history.


You can make up all kinds of FAIRY TAIL BS YOU HEARD HANNITY SAY ON FOX NEWS, but its all BULL. THE SIGNS TO NOT GO INTO IRAQ AND THE RISK WHERE THERE, AND THEY WHERE IGNORED AND WITHHELD FROM THE PEOPLE. THIS IS A PATTERN WITH BUSH.

100% OF THE BLAME LAY AT BUSH AND THE GOP'S FEET.

I did not know conservatives where such irresponsible, excuse making and cry babies. Waaaaaa, waaaaaa, we where tricked too by bad intel, its not our fault. GREAT LEADERSHIP!

BE A MAN AND NOT A WUSSY, JOIN AMERICA AND DEAL WITH REALITY AND THE SOLUTION OF HOW WE WILL RECOVER OUR NATIONS STATUS AS THE NOBLE AND MORAL LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD. WE WILL RECOVER BUT NOT WITH BUSH'S STAY THE COURSE, ITS GETTING BETTER PLAN.

*****
AMERICA HELD HOSTAGE - 628 more days till America is freed from failed policies of incompetent leadership. YEA YEA YEA,
*****

IF YOU VOTE FOR A REPUBLICAN YOU WILL DIE,
VOTE DEMOCRAT AND TAKE THE COUNTRY BACK. IF NOT YOUR KIDS AND GRAND KIDS WILL BE GOING TO WAR.

Steve O
"Do you get all your news from CNN?"

You're asking such nonsense when my source is a referenced National Ground Intelligence Center report is revealing.

Don't see where any of your claims have panned out in the long run as WMD or, as you admit, active programs. And rumored expectations and interests, to answer your question, don't amount to grave threats.

I'll agree, we went to Iraq to protect security, just that the perceived threat was largely faith-based and not evidenced based.

SteveO
Perhaps you missed it, Steve. Lonestarblues provided you a link to a document housed on FOX NEWS' website.

Barry,
That's a keen observation.

The simple answer is that we went into Iraq to protect American security.

The fact that Iraq was flouting his agreements which ended Gulf War I, as well as all those UN resolutions simply reinforced the position.

lonestarblues
Do you get all your news from CNN?

I'm referring to translated transcripts of meetings between and among Saddam, his sons, and his top advisors talking about how they fooled the UN weapons inspectors about their illegal weapons programs.

I'm referring to the actual (and very large) stockpiles of chemicals which were found hidden, next to military facilities.

I'm referring to designs for nuclear weapons that were discovered among the documents found in Iraq.

I'm referring to Joe Wilsons's report, which accidentally confirmed an interest in yellowcake from Nigeria.

Now, as I put in CAPS, I did not claim that Saddam had an ACTIVE program to develop nukes, and indeed it would have been difficult to be very active given the sanctions. But, there was a general expectation that sanctions would soon be lifted. This would have left Saddam with the ability and the resources to reactivate any of his weapons programs that he would have had to put on simmer while waiting for sanctions to be lifted.

Now you can answer a question for me:

Do you believe that Saddam was really not interested in developing nukes?


WMD and the UN
I've always been bothered by the conservative line on the war in Iraq.

We went in to enforce UN resolutions after UN inspectors had been in Iraq for a while.

Yet conservatives decry the UN, want us out of it and profess to hate it.

Which is it?

A. We look for UN cover for our actions or

B. We ignore the UN and seek to do what's best for this country first, for the rest of the world second.

Barry

Steve O
Are you referring to the National Ground Intelligence Center report* of Iraqi Chemical Munitions? The degraded Pre-Gulf War chemicals? Can you explain how that represents an active WMD program? That was the claim, active WMD program, for which, as yet, there is no evidence.


*Unclassified report: http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/Iraq_WMD_Declassified.pdf

And by the way,
Anybody who says that Saddam didn't have a nuclear progam should explain why he wouldn't be interested in one.

Perhaps you can explain away his desire to buy yellowcake and uranium from Niger, but can you explain why Saddam had documents with designs for nukes?

---

"Saddam, a man is here. He wants to sell you some nuclear technology. He got your name from this guy who said you might be interested."

"Tell him to go away! What would I do with a nuke that I couldn't do with state of the art 1960's Soviet tank technology? Does he think I want to rule the Middle-East and control most of the world's oil production which would allow me to hold the Great Satan hostage to my every whim?"


Question for Hillary Kitten
She has said that if we knew then what we know now, blah blah gag.

I'd like to hear how she thinks things would have turned out had we left Saddam in place? Any of you tin-hat moonbats want to venture an answer?

Random hits
Redstatesredkoolaid says:
"Fact is we had bad intel that was then turned into fabricated Intel..."

-- The source of intel is the CIA, not exactly a hotbed of conservatism. It's more Joe Wilson, Valerie Plame and George Tenet than James Bond. Darth Cheney does not filter was goes to the Democrats.

bryce says:
"...the Bush administration repeatedly characterized Iraq as a 'grave and growing' threat. Four years after occupying Iraq they have yet to provide the conclusive proof of their very much definitive claims...they knew he had them and knew where they were according to Rumsfeld. Their claims to date were false and misleading."

-- The case for Iraq being a grave and growing threat has already been made. Your stuff about what Rumsfeld supposedly said is just made up.

Redstatesredkoolaid says:
"Maybe W doesn't want to impact his family vacations with the Saudi Royal Family..."

-- Al Gore and the Clintons have recieved very large sums of CASH from the Saudis. Do you make anything of that?

...

Vic, Uncle Max, and others, good points.

I guess facts aren't stubborn things
after all.

If our own memory is this bad, what do the uninformed think?

From the column:
"Quick show of hands: How many would have supported invading Iraq had they known there were no WMD? Doubtless, not many, even though overthrowing Saddam Hussein had been a standing U.S. policy since the late 1990s."

``I can't think of anyone who did not believe that the Iraqis had a weapons of mass destruction program,'' he said. ``There was simply no one.''

In fact, Saddam was proven to have had chemical WMDs, stockpiles of which WERE found. But what people are thinking about are the nukes. However...

NOBODY SAID WE'D FIND NUKES, BECAUSE NOBODY THOUGHT WE'D FIND NUKES.

The fear was that as soon as sanctions were lifted (in a year or perhaps two at most), Saddam would do a restart on his nuclear program. Then, he could give technology to a terrorist group who would hit us, leaving us with nobody to retaliate against.

After Sept 11, it was decided that it was too dangerous to allow Saddam to obtain a nuclear capability given:
* his aggressive stance against the US,
* his imperialist objectives,
* his willingness to kill large numbers of people,
* his increasing ties to terrorist groups,
* and terrorists' desires to detonate a nuclear bomb within US borders

On the balance, taking out Saddam still seems like a good idea. If you could have guaranteed Democrats that US casualties would be under 5,000 after 5 years, their support would have INcreased. In exchange, we remove that risk. The potential to create a thriving, prosperous democracy in the heart of the Middle East was gravy, and it still is.

For anyone who thinks that Saddam wasn't interested in having nukes there's the small matter of Iraqi interest in buying uranium. Also there's the even lesser matter of designs for nukes found among Saddam's documents, and which were temporarily posted on the internet prior to translation.


RRK: Invalidation over Intellect
Redstatesredkoolaid writes: Wednesday, May, 02, 2007 8:05 AM
Blinders are a great thing
I read these posts and it is both scary and amusing...Simple minds, simple blinders, simple ignorance of the facts...

+Gratuitous assertion. Typical left wing “invalidation” tactic. Leftists seem to think that their particular ideology imbues them with an esoteric insight on all matters pertaining to the reality in general and the human condition in particular. If the rest of us were intelligent enough to appreciate the subtle beauty of social engineering (gender/racial quotas, wealth-redistribution, etc.) we would of course be leftists as well. Hence, because we don't agree with the dominant leftist-paradigm we must be stupid. But do enlighten me.

I guess that makes sense since it appears to a Conservative the worst thing a person can do is use their god given brain to learn...Instead, to be a Conservative you must blindly hold to a position and regardless of the facts, hold that position.

+ Really? The founder of what many think to be classic “Liberalism’ (as in libertarian) is John S. Mill who believed in free exchanges in the marketplace of ideas. Doesn’t sound like the pro-speech code Leftist Academic establishment. He believed in free-enterprise/market-based economies which were considered “liberal” at the time. Doesn’t sound like your modern Neo-Marxist. Actually, classic secular conservatism depends upon analytic thinking in contrast the hyper-emotionalism endemic to the modern Left, e.g., Benford’s Law of Controversy: Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information available.

+I can only assume that an individual such as yourself probably subscribes to one of the following un-scientific beliefs held sacred by the left:
- Global warming caused by “greenhouse gases” while ignoring fluctuations “solar luminosity” (global warming on Mars must be caused by evil republicans in SUVs)
- Global warming contributed to the creation of Hurricane Katrina
- Homosexuality has a genetic basis w/o scientific evidence
- “Gender is a social construct” in direct contradiction of scientific evidence
Etc.

Reagan's own Diary has an entry clearly stating "I decided to sell missiles to Iran" but I can find you a thousand Cons that still believe Iran Contra didn't happen...

+ How true. It did happen. So What?

Fact is we had bad intel that was then turned into fabricated Intel...Clinton used every day political rhetoric instead of a full scale invasion, just as W is doing with Iran, because it was not "slam dunk" evidence and the threat was more assumed than actual.

+ Really? As opposed to Clinton’s military misadventures? Let’s see: un-necessary wars for the following reasons:
(a) No strategic value other than UN/European popular opinion:
+ Our misadventures in Bosnia (Bombing/killing hundreds if not thousands of innocent women & children in Belgrade)
+Our misadventures in Somalia, where several US Rangers/Delta force soldiers were killed because the Clinton administration wouldn’t authorize the use of armored vehicles (too OFFENSIVE you know)- Clinton’s mishandling of this situation emboldened OBL into conducting the 9/11 attack.
(b) Racial politics: Black congressional caucus playing the race card & invading Haiti IOT put their pet Marxist thug, Aristide, back in power in Haiti.
+We’re still in Bosnia & Haiti- where’s our exit strategy, Koolaid??

In the end we invaded the only non Islamic government in the Middle East and turned it into another Cleric run Country...We took the only Country without a connection to AQ and created 15,000+ additional AQ fighters...Every single Middle Eastern Country has elected more Islamic based politicians since the invasion including the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and our new buddy in Iran...

+Really? Whom do you think we are currently fighting in Iraq? No connection? Additionally, OBL’s lieutenant, AZ was in Iraq for medical treatment long before the invasion

All the while Saudi Arabia, the country that produced 15 of 19 9/11 terrorists, continues to pump out the most extreme of Islamic terrorists...

+ Likely. And Iraq is the “vacuum cleaner.”

Maybe W doesn't want to impact his family vacations with the Saudi Royal Family...

+ Spare me. Every president in the last 30 years has had an “understanding” w/ the Saudi Royal Family. Even your favorite, Bill Clinton, flies over for speaking engagements at $400K a pop.


Ditto
Have either of the Clinton's EVER accepted responsibility for their own actions????

It is ALWAYS someone else's fault!!!

RUN, FRED, RUN!

I noticed!
pretending it was something else...yes, this is the liberal Democrat way. All pretense. Such fakery is being noticed. Reality will soon hit them smack in the face. I consider the Democratic Party as treasonous and more dangerous than Al Q itself! The blinders they want to put on us for self-glorification/power purposes don't fit when we actually have a working brain.

come on guys!
To even think Hillary didn't know about Monica is ridiculous. Remember her and Billy boy dancing on the beach (to no music) in their bathing suits, (wasn't that cute) this was going on as the Monica debacle was starting to surface.
Just wanted everyone to think they were just hunky dory. I had their number when they were on 60 min. when he was running for President, and she said "I'm not some little Tammy Wynette, standing by her man". Yeah right, it was just that Right Wing Conspiracy.

The real point here...
Is that Ms Clinton, when asked what her mistakes had been, found a way to make it not her mistake, but President Bush's. The Clinton way: blame someone else.
I've tried very hard to give her the benefit of the doubt. She keeps coming up short.

Hillary and the Seven Dwarfs
On my blog (click on name above) I've joined in the TH debate (Bruce Bartlett initiated it) on whether Hillary is the best of the Democratic canidates. Of course, that's a little like being the nicest mugger in the holding pen. Kathleen writes a model piece -- the Bill Clinton quote is a classic -- raising questions about Hillary's honesty. For her to bash Bush when she's asked about HER OWN failings is a mark of a dishonest woman. Obama is totally awful, and the other candidates ("Hillary and the Seven Dwarfs")aren't a whole lot better. Yikes.

steve

Can Democratics face reality?
If we assume that invading Iraq was a mistake, how will escaping Iraq correct the alleged mistake? I think there is some old saying (truism)that two wrongs don't make a right.

Vic, I agree, but
you are trying to reason with unreasonable people (that is a generous description of them). They simply stick their fingers in their ears when faced with facts and say "na na na" until you leave them alone with their delusions.

To Ms Parker
Oh boy, the infamous 27 words! Now all you have to do is get the MSM to pick it up and repeat it until it becomes a trademark. "Clinton lied. eardrums fried".

The WMD was there and may, in fact still be there. Most likely they have been moved to Syria as reports have stated.

In any case, WMD was not the only reason. There were a number of reasons that the MSM and the Dems keep forgetting.

The reasons:

1. Whereas in 1990 in response to Iraq's war of aggression against and illegal occupation of Kuwait, the United States forged a coalition of nations to liberate Kuwait and its people in order to defend the national security of the United States and enforce United Nations Security Council resolutions relating to Iraq;

2. Whereas after the liberation of Kuwait in 1991, Iraq entered into a United Nations sponsored cease-fire agreement pursuant to which Iraq unequivocally agreed, among other things, to eliminate its nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons programs and the means to deliver and develop them, and to end its support for international terrorism;

3. Whereas the efforts of international weapons inspectors, United States intelligence agencies, and Iraqi defectors led to the discovery that Iraq had large stockpiles of chemical weapons and a large scale biological weapons program, and that Iraq had an advanced nuclear weapons development program that was much closer to producing a nuclear weapon than intelligence reporting had previously indicated;

4. Whereas Iraq, in direct and flagrant violation of the cease-fire, attempted to thwart the efforts of weapons inspectors to identify and destroy Iraq's weapons of mass destruction stockpiles and development capabilities, which finally resulted in the withdrawal of inspectors from Iraq on October 31, 1998;

5. Whereas in 1998 Congress concluded that Iraq's continuing weapons of mass destruction programs threatened vital United States interests and international peace and security, declared Iraq to be in "material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations" and urged the President "to take appropriate action, in accordance with the Constitution and relevant laws of the United States, to bring Iraq into compliance with its international obligations" (Public Law 105-235);

6. Whereas Iraq both poses a continuing threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region and remains in material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations by, among other things, continuing to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability, actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability, and supporting and harboring terrorist organizations;

7. Whereas Iraq persists in violating resolutions of the United Nations Security Council by continuing to engage in brutal repression of its civilian population thereby threatening international peace and security in the region, by refusing to release, repatriate, or account for non-Iraqi citizens wrongfully detained by Iraq, including an American serviceman, and by failing to return property wrongfully seized by Iraq from Kuwait;

8. Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people;

9. Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its continuing hostility toward, and willingness to attack, the United States, including by attempting in 1993 to assassinate former President Bush and by firing on many thousands of occasions on United States and Coalition Armed Forces engaged in enforcing the resolutions of the United Nations Security Council;

10. Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq;

11. Whereas Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of American citizens;

12. Whereas the attacks on the United States of September 11, 2001 underscored the gravity of the threat posed by the acquisition of weapons of mass destruction by international terrorist organizations;

13. Whereas Iraq's demonstrated capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction, the risk that the current Iraqi regime will either employ those weapons to launch a surprise attack against the United States or its Armed Forces or provide them to international terrorists who would do so, and the extreme magnitude of harm that would result to the United States and its citizens from such an attack, combine to justify action by the United States to defend itself;

14. Whereas United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 authorizes the use of all necessary means to enforce United Nations Security Council Resolution 660 and subsequent relevant resolutions and to compel Iraq to cease certain activities that threaten international peace and security, including the development of weapons of mass destruction and refusal or obstruction of United Nations weapons inspections in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 687, repression of its civilian population in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 688, and threatening its neighbors or United Nations operations in Iraq in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 949;

15 Whereas Congress in the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1) has authorized the President "to use United States Armed Forces pursuant to United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 (1990) in order to achieve implementation of Security Council Resolutions 660, 661, 662, 664, 665, 666, 667, 669, 670, 674, and 677";

16 Whereas in December 1991, Congress expressed its sense that it "supports the use of all necessary means to achieve the goals of United Nations Security Council Resolution 687 as being consistent with the Authorization of Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1)," that Iraq's repression of its civilian population violates United Nations Security Council Resolution 688 and "constitutes a continuing threat to the peace, security, and stability of the Persian Gulf region," and that Congress, "supports the use of all necessary means to achieve the goals of United Nations Security Council Resolution 688";

17. Whereas the Iraq Liberation Act (Public Law 105-338) expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove from power the current Iraqi regime and promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime;
Whereas on September 12, 2002, President Bush committed the United States to "work with the United Nations Security Council to meet our common challenge" posed by Iraq and to "work for the necessary resolutions," while also making clear that "the Security Council resolutions will be enforced, and the just demands of peace and security will be met, or action will be unavoidable";

18. Whereas the United States is determined to prosecute the war on terrorism and Iraq's ongoing support for international terrorist groups combined with its development of weapons of mass destruction in direct violation of its obligations under the 1991 cease-fire and other United Nations Security Council resolutions make clear that it is in the national security interests of the United States and in furtherance of the war on terrorism that all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions be enforced, including through the use of force if necessary;

19. Whereas Congress has taken steps to pursue vigorously the war on terrorism through the provision of authorities and funding requested by the President to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001 or harbored such persons or organizations;

20. Whereas the President and Congress are determined to continue to take all appropriate actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations;

21. Whereas the President has authority under the Constitution to take action in order to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States, as Congress recognized in the joint resolution on Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40); and

22. Whereas it is in the national security of the United States to restore international peace and security to the Persian Gulf region;

Now, therefore, be it resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,


2 more cents
With the exception of the Honorable Joseph Lieberman, the dems are back to doing that old dance - the mea culpa - for their (early politically active) far left, once again ignoring the fact that elections are won in the middle.

The same, of course can be said about the Republicans, although we don't dance as well.

my 2 centa
The WMD issue gets more ridiculous and more potentially explosive as it goes along.

Here's why: The existence of the WMD was one of President Bush's primary reasons for putting together the allied invasion of Iraq in 2003. Just about anyone can produce statements from leading dem pols from prez wjc on down going all the way back to about 1997 attesting to the existence of the WMD, the danger they posed to the world and the necessity of doing something about them.

I would love to hear someone ask the presidential wannabes ON EITHER SIDE this series of questions.

1) What is a WMD? Do chemical weapons used to kill every man woman and child in a Kurdksh village of 5,000 qualify?

2) Are you familiar with the particulars of the Israeli Air Force Raide on the site at Al-Tuwaitha in Iraq in 1981? (Trust me - it makes a very interesting google)

3) In your opinion did the WMD that were one of the primary reasons for the allied invasion of Iraq in 2003 EVER ACTUALLY EXIST?


4a) Answer is yes - In your opinion - What happened to them?

4b) Answer is no - by your answer you are implying that the intelligence services throughout the whole free world were victims of the most massive intelligence failure in history. At least 90% of that intelligence failure took place while William Jefferson Clinton was on watch.

IMO they did exist, they still exist, so WHERE ARE THEY?

1) Saddam knew President Bush was serious so he had some of the WMD destroyed.
2) Others he had shipped out of the country (sold?) and they went to Syria, Iran, Lebanon and possibly to Russia.
3) Some are still buried and are yet to be discovered.
4) Others have been discovered but the discoveries are so horrendous that they are being kept from the public because of fear that the discoveries could cause public panic. This means that the Bush administration is taking the heat unjustifiably but for a good reason.

In any case - The WMD issue is not decided.

Believing
Bush, Clinton, Clinton, International Community all believed Saddam had active WMD programs and operative terrorist ties.

Since when is truth a popularity contest?

Fire_Ready makes a good point: "because they have not been found, does that conclusively determine that there were no WMD there?"

No. And to speculate further, with no evidence, is to argue from ignorance.

Politicians don't lie, not exactly, they just play with the truth.

And we believe.....

Blinders are a great thing
I read these posts and it is both scary and amusing...Simple minds, simple blinders, simple ignorance of the facts...

I guess that makes sense since it appears to a Conservative the worst thing a person can do is use their god given brain to learn...Instead, to be a Conservative you must blindly hold to a position and regardless of the facts, hold that position.

Reagan's own Diary has an entry clearly stating "I decided to sell missiles to Iran" but I can find you a thousand Cons that still believe Iran Contra didn't happen...

Fact is we had bad intel that was then turned into fabricated Intel...Clinton used every day political rhetoric instead of a full scale invasion, just as W is doing with Iran, because it was not "slam dunk" evidence and the threat was more assumed than actual.

In the end we invaded the only non Islamic government in the Middle East and turned it into another Cleric run Country...We took the only Country without a connection to AQ and created 15,000+ additional AQ fighters...Every single Middle Eastern Country has elected more Islamic based politicians since the invasion including the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and our new buddy in Iran...

All the while Saudi Arabia, the country that produced 15 of 19 9/11 terrorists, continues to pump out the most extreme of Islamic terrorists...

Maybe W doesn't want to impact his family vacations with the Saudi Royal Family...

I wish she said
My biggest mistake was not grabbing that lying, two timing, skirt chasing, intern humping, cheating, scum bag, piece of crap I married and made him into a eunuch.

What would you expect from
Hill? Biggest mistake, missunderestimating the American people. That's how I think the W. would put it! Yes, she has money, she has her husband, even the MSM, but the majority of Americans I believe, see through her lust for power, at any cost. The vast right wing conspiricy, was a mistake that the American people need to be reminded of regarding the outing of her husbands dalliances!

Going back to war
There was never an end to Gulf War I; there was a cease fire contingent upon Hussien's obedience to the conditions of the same, which he signed. He violated them all repeatedly. Had Japan behaved in the same way after signing the articles of surrender, who doubts what would have occurred?

We did not "start a war" when Uncle Saddam went back on his word. We just started it back up.

P.S. I would have preferred to hear Madame Clinton admit that hiding those Rose Law Firm files was her biggest mistake.

Waving hand high
I would have invaded Iraq even if no WMD were suspected.

Iraq had the 5th largest army in the world.
They had fired on U.S. warplanes patrolling the "no-fly zone" made necessary due to Hussein's activities (murdering his own civilians).

Iraq is between Iran and Syria. With Pakistan as a putative ally, taking Iraq and Afghanistan surrounds Iran, and isolates Syria, thus preparing us for phase two of the war, where we use Iraq and Afghanistan as staging grounds for moving further in the war.

This is a sane, *war* strategy, which recognizes that the enemy is moslems, the theatre of the war is global (which includes the entire middle east) and acknowledges that the U.S. needs affordable oil production in stable hands for our best interests. Somewhere in the process of reducing Syria and Iran, the rest of the middle east would sue for peace on our terms. It would be a mistake to do so before our troops occupied every Islamic state.

The problem with this war is Bush's do-gooder attitude that we must install a democracy in Iraq rather than pacifying the place.
We should have executed (or at the very least, imprisoned) the Iraqi soldiers who surrendered en masse (a combat tactic in itself; creating an unreasonable burden on our troops). We should have disarmed the Iraqi people, and issued KOS orders for any non-American with a weapon of any kind. We should have had our soldiers stand guard while the Iraqis rebuilt their country as forced labor. Instead he reduced our troops, symbolically, from masters to servants. From combat troops to Boy Scouts.

Slaughtered?
Maybe libs, because of their childish fear of WSD (weapons of self-defense). Where I live in Northwest New Mexico we have the highest per-capita ownership of firearms in the country, and a fraction of the crime rate of places like New York and D.C.

And we shoot back.

WMD
We know Saddam had chemical weapons (easily destroyed or disposed of), but maybe mistakenly believed he had or was much more advanced in nuclear weapons developement. If left alone he would surely have had nuclear weapons as Iran is working towards today.

Since the war in Iraq has turned into a long war other nations have become emboldened to strut their stuff. Earlier, all was lost and nations i.e. Libia just gave up their programs and Iran was ready to "talk". Now with the possibility of defeat/giving up, championed by the left wing democrats to gain power we are at a critical cross roads. I'm thinking we cannot lose this one. Even if we leave the war started much before 9-11, it will still be on. It's full blown now so token every 5 year attacks are out for the bad guys. They have vowed to destroy us since the 40's if you have read Islamic radical history and now they intend to do it sooner rather than later.

I'm thinking that we are just about to go bust economically thru some very bad times. That is going to set us up slaughter by Islam and their new friends in name only from south america with a common goal of USA destruction.

If we lose or give up in Iraq, we are all set, just as pigs ready for a slaughter, for a bigger war that we will lose too, that will make Hitler look like a saint.

This time it will be all whites that have raped the world. All whites qualify no matter your feelings or politics, all must die, and will. Very interesting times coming.








the point is
that the Bush administration repeatedly characterized Iraq as a 'grave and growing' threat. Four years after occupying Iraq they have yet to provide the conclusive proof of their very much definitive claims...they knew he had them and knew where they were according to Rumsfeld. Their claims to date were false and misleading.

The author and many here point to the generally held assumption that Sadam had an active program. What everybody didn't know was that the source for much of the Bush administration claims...mobile labs, storehouses beneath palaces, ties to AQ...were gleaned from a handfull of human sources all with ties to Achmed Chalabi.

Frankly, I think Chalabi was working as an Iranian agent, feeding misinformation to a receptive audience who proceed to eliminate the two major threats to Iranian dominance of the region, Saddam Hussein, and the US military, now mired in Iraq.

Absolutely no WMD?
My next point is that WMD were found, simply not the massive stockpiles predicted. But they were termed "old" WMD, but wasn't the resolution that Saddam destroy ALL WMD? Also, because they have not been found, does that conclusively determine that there were no WMD there? I have heard that the Russians were there in force before the invasion and permitted to leave with trusck convoys. Other truck convoys were also seen leaving Iraq. How can our liberal politicians and the MSM flagrantly declare that they simply did not exist? Everyone concerned KNEW Saddam has them, now the continued whine is that he did not. When Bill Clinton was president, it was presentd as irrifutable fact that Saddam had WMD stockpiles. Bill Clinton and George Bush's statements were nearly identical. The only difference was that Bill Clinton is a Democrat and George Bush is a Republican. This has been about nothing but political manipulation and media bias. The disingenuous lie becomes accepted as truth for strictly political advantage. During wartime, that is simply unacceptable.

We can not believe Hillary Clinton
Frankly, I am not surprised at Mrs Clinton’s position now. It is so hard to truly know what she actually believes or stands for. Not too long ago she voted consistently for the war. Now all of a sudden she seems to have become convinced that the war should end. All along she said that she would make sure that some troops will stay in Iraq. She is like a chameleon changing to the popular side. What she does not realise is that at heart she is playing the game of the aggressor. As I think about her quick answer in the Democratic debate, that she would retaliate with no doubt if there was another attack to this country, I come to the conclusion that she still has not learned from what we have experienced already. As a result, we are living now seeing so many people die daily. Mrs. Clinton seems to answer to the general idea that the president should be more aggressive and violent in countering possible terrorist attacks. She is comfortable taking two eyes for one eye and the like with no hesitations. It is sad that in her answer, she was not even able to doubt for a minute. When is she going to realise that answering more aggressively will only bring more bloodshed, death, suffering, pain, and more attacks? With more killings we will never achieve peace. Does she believe that all she has to do is attack and take revenge “when necessary”? Her answer is very troublesome and scary. Those who praised her for her quick answer have to do much hard thinking and reflection to find out if this is the only way to promote peace. For certain, it is obvious that Mrs Clinton is NOT a woman who will fight for peace, much less look for means to create harmony in the world. Her answer makes me think that she is not only inmature, but lacks much compassion and proper intelligence to be able to look for what is best for us and the world. She is ill equipped.

Mrs. Clinton is what I would call “the efficient patcher,” unable to see farther than what is in front of her. Our national and world problems will need a better equipped person that will be capable to see much further than Mrs Clinton is able to at this point. She would be very dangerous to have as a president. We do not need to have a harworker that will make miracles, but a competent person who will care for everybody, not only her friends. After the Democratic debate, I am more convinced that people will start to see that she would not be as effective as the other candidates. She has already lived for many years under corruption and has also learned to be one of the corrupt. I do not trust her at all in any way. I hope more people see her just the way she is, not the way she is trying to become cosmetically. She has a long way to go compared to the other candidates.


Irritating
I find it irritating that people would think that more time for the feckless UN investigators would do anything but continually delay the inevitable. They were professional "lookers" that had no intention of finding anything whatsoever. If they were to stumble across something, they would have been killed, and it would have been blamed on some terrible accident. They were not an enforcement arm, their responsibility was to be shown by Iraq where the WMD that had been confirmed had been destroyed and determine if the remnants were sufficient to determine that the weapons had actually been destroyed as agreed to in the UN resolutions. Saddam turned it into a shell game to delay action indefinately. This was nothing but a farce since its inception.
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