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Friday, January 05, 2007
Kathleen Parker :: Townhall.com Columnist
Clicking on death
by Kathleen Parker
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There's no stopping the footage anymore, whether it's the sex life of a celebrity or the death of a tyrant.

The voyeurism that passeth all understanding may have climaxed Saturday with the execution of Saddam Hussein at the end of a hangman's rope. Within hours of his death, video of Saddam's last moments and the death-chamber celebration that followed was posted on the Web and viewed by untold thousands, if not millions.

Thursday, it was the number one item on Technorati, the Internet search engine that indexes more than 55 million blogs.

Just as pornography has become a click away for one's secret pleasures, death is now at our disposal.

To click or not to click, that is the question.

Who hasn't been tempted? It's right there for any to see: the platform, the masked executioners, the noose, the trap door. That much we've all seen on TV without going to the full clip, which was captured on a cell phone by one of the witnesses.

There's something vaguely familiar about those grainy images. Where have we seen it before? The footage has the amateurish feel of ``The Blair Witch Project,'' the horror film that was made scarier somehow by its pseudo-documentary style. But that's not it.

Where we've seen it before was in the horror movies Islamist terrorists staged when they butchered hostages such as Nick Berg and Daniel Pearl, knowing that the world would watch.

The differences are obvious, of course. Berg and Pearl were innocents, and Saddam was a lawless monster indicted, tried and convicted under a civilized code of jurisprudence. If anyone deserved ultimate justice for crimes against humanity, Saddam did. In death, he joins that foul fraternity of other torturers and murderers for whom death was tardy.

Nevertheless, watching someone die -- especially at the hands of the state -- takes us several steps backward into a darker time when people gathered in the public square to watch a man swing at the end of a rope.

The history of human barbarity is long -- and not at all long ago. For reasons that bear examination, human beings have not needed much encouragement to swarm to the gallows. Or, as now, to click.

We seem drawn to death by the same morbid fascination that makes us slow our cars to view an accident. What do we hope to see? Is the sight of a severed limb the best or worst case? Who hasn't felt vaguely disappointed when a traffic-clogging accident is only a fender bender?

Perhaps we're curious to witness death because we know it awaits us all. We're curious about hanging because we've never seen or heard it before -- the sounds of a trap door dropping or a human neck snapping. Who knew the knot would be so big? It wasn't like that on ``Gunsmoke.''

With someone like Saddam, we feel justified in our prurience because he was a murderer and deserved to be punished. Justice and closure permit us immunity from the guilt we might otherwise feel from such a forbidden satisfaction, if not precisely pleasure.

But then what? We've stood by and watched a man die. Not in the heat of battle or the throes of passion, but passively, dispassionately. That is to say, with the cool detachment of an executioner.

We are all executioners now.

The case against capital punishment might be better reserved for a more sympathetic character than Saddam Hussein. On the other hand, when again will so many be so familiar with the raw anatomy of a government execution?

State-administered death is always a greater horror than any other by virtue of the methodical reasoning that precedes it. French philosopher Albert Camus wrote that ``capital punishment is the most premeditated of murders, to which no criminal's deed, however calculated, can be compared.

``For there to be an equivalency, the death penalty would have to punish a criminal who had warned his victim of the date on which he would inflict a horrible death on him and who, from that moment onward, had confined him at his mercy for months. Such a monster is not to be encountered in private life.''

One can argue without fear of rebuttal that Saddam, in his way, was a calculating executioner, and that the Iraqi people were confined at his mercy for decades.

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Justice 101
State killing the convicted killer Saddam... Justice

State killing people in drug raid, religious worship, running with a gun, etc... cold blooded murder.

Why is commonsense not so common anymore?

I forced myself
To watch as Daniel Pearl's head was carved off. Not because I'm a voyeur, but because it is the debt I owe to see clearly the barbarians we fight, and to hate them appropriately.

The same is true of the final moments of Hussein. To be witness to his end. We have public trials, we have public congressional hearings... we should have public executions for the same reason. So there can be no "I saw Elvis at 7-11" type propoganda.

Did I enjoy watching his death? Absolutely. Not because I myself am a barbarian who enjoys watching suffering, but because I could see with my own eyes the END of one tiny piece of the evil in the world.

Saddam etc.
to nomorekennedys, Are you one who will not view "The Silent scream" or "Eclipse Of Reason", but by the way did you see Braveheart, Patriot,Passion, Apacolipto,? All history, have you seen the clips of the Natzi regime? Kathleen's right,your wrong.

Khokar
You have raised what I see are very important points. However, I wonder if you have missed another equally ugly aspect.

Today's announcement notwithstanding, Al-Maliki has shown time and time again that he is largely in Al-Sadr's packet. The timing of the death sentence ought not to be lost on people. This was done on the first day of a feast which Sunnis celebrate one day earlier than the Shiites. So this was timed to create the same sectarian impact that the chanting did. Al-Maliki is not our friend, I fear.

And all across the Arab world, Saddam will be remembered for list last retort, translated as: "Moqtada? Is that how real men behave?"

Worrisome indeed.

Almuqtada Chanters

The most despicable scene that one could ever imagine was the scene of enchanting and daunting by guards; witnessed by the whole world at the time of execution of Saddam at the gallows.

They were getting rid of their enemy and were bemused; feeling happy is one thing but the daunting of a person at the gallows is most despicable show. The World has yet to come out from the horror and shock; of that internet cell phone video of Saddam’s execution.

The entire world has been protesting, crying out for the show trail of Saddam Hussein; a ‘first witness’ of planned massacres of mid-late eighties was being silenced on purpose to save few skins; but for Almaqtada al Sadr’s group; their ugly demonstration at the gallows; shows that how much short sighted they are to take this route?

Rather as a principal; they should have been protesting such execution or for that matter, any execution under foreign occupation. If staunch ally like Saddam can go down that well; no wonder, if tomorrow we find, some one from Almaqtada al sadr’s group; also dangling down that rope.

**The enemy of my enemy is my friend. This is only true insofar as mutual self-interest remains secure; otherwise the enemy of my enemy will become yet another enemy later on.

Any how; Iraq does not need any enemies. They are already on self destructive 'mode'. Surely they are doomed; there is no Iraq after Saddam; for sure.

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Love for all, Hatred for none


why nomorekennedys' reasoning is error
As the Supremes are wont to say, I concur in your result (Saddam should have been hung), but not your reasoning.
Life and death are God decisions. Only God can know when a human life has no further value to anyone, including itself. For humans to usurp a God decision is arrogant and self-absorbed at best. Many people change their stinking little world views on their deathbeds, or standing around the deathbeds of another. Only God can say who those individuals are, or will be. Furthermore it is immoral (Golden-Rule-violative) that a dispassionate and "neutral" punishment for any given act actually BE the act itself (e.g. we're going to punish premeditated murder with premeditated murder). Accordingly, Albert Camus' reasoning appears self-evidently superior to yours.
But here's the crucial context of why Saddam's hanging was justified. As long as we as individuals insist on following, worshipping, and otherwise obeying the dominant members of the suicidally stupid human pecking order of inherently evil and inevitably corrupting One-Ring coercion-based Power who call themselves "government," there will be "kings" and tyrants. And those "kings" and tyrants, have never given up power voluntarily.
Because the supporters of any deposed tyrant would cause nothing but heartache and trouble until he was reinstalled as tyrant, it is far better and more pragmatic to simply kill the deposed tyrant ASAP.
True, that is a double standard, but coercion-based "law" ("government") itself is, by nature and definition a double standard. Law has always been made for the subjects. It simply does not defacto apply to those who administer it, the infinite lies of statists notwithstanding. The mechanics are "the law is what whoever administers the law says it is." The defacto axiom is "the judge can do whatever he pleases."
Our pathetic little lemming brains are so scrambled by the sublety of the One Ring that we even invent whole separate languages to disguise the deception. When an individual kills on purpose, it is called "murder", or, at best, "self defense." When the state kills on purpose the word is "execute," or war "casualty."
These are questions which sincere truth seekers have always discussed.
But, we are stupid, and we do tend to follow
"government" at least at this point in our species' history. Given that reality and that context for the moment, Saddam was a sadistic, murdering moral-mutant scum who received the cause-and-effect results of his Golden-rule-violative actions. That was his Karma. And it doesn't bother me in the least, although, on a spiritual and intellectual level, I remain steadfastly opposed to the death penalty in general for the aforementioned reasons.
One additional reason for my opposition remains. Because of the mechanics of the inherently evil and inevitably corrupting One-Ring, its addict-possessers who prosecute, judge, and implement "judicial"/"government" murders will forever tend to lie, cheat, steal and murder to coverup the fact that they sometimes kill innocent people. However rarely that may happen, only amoral amoebas can pretend that it has never happened. When it does happen, from a moral point of veiw, Camus' reasoning applies, and every supporter of the death penalty deserves to be executed for the state murder of the innocent wrongly-convicted person. To preserve "the people's" faith in the justice and fairness of government murders is the reason why government never admits that it does, in fact, occasionally murder innocent individuals in the name of "justice."
If it were possible, it would be my sincere hope an prayer that every death-penalty supporter who arrogantly thinks that the execution of "a few" innocent people is the wise, just and "necessary" price that society must pay for keeping the theoretical deterrent of the death penalty in vogue, will be the next innocent person to find himself executed by the state.
If we were smart enough to let the potheads out of prison, we would have plenty of case space to mete out life-without-parole sentences to murders. That way we could let the wrongly convicted out when we discovered their innocence. With the death penalty, mistakes are irrevocable, and, from a Golden-Rule moral point of view I find that anathematical.

jerubaal; Sadam's victims

I agree with Jerubaal about watching the death of Saddam. I watched in total amazement when pictures were being shown of that rope being placed about Saddam's neck. I could not believe that in any civilized society (these days), anyone could continue watching, knowing what was about to happen.

When I realized that the entire operation was being shown on TV, I had to turn my head away -- every time.

I felt no joy about what could (by some anyway) be called the untimely death of another human being.

Do I believe in the death penalty? I am ambivalent but was not always so. I had always favored it with a passion, particularly with respect to the predators and murderers of the spirits or the bodies of children.

I waver now about the death penalty but strongly support imprisonment without parole for the most egregious of felons.

Am I sorry Saddam is no longer here? No. I am of the opinion his victims believe justice has been served.

Jerubaal: Questions
Do you support the timing of the execution (i.e. on a Sunni holy day but not a Shiite one)?

Do you still think the Iraqi government is committed to a stable Iraq after the way the execution was handled? Or have they become a mouthpice for those like "Muqtada, Muqtada, Muqtada" who are deeply involved in fomenting it?

To me those are the real questions that this raises, not the matter of the execution itself or even the existance of the video.

"...and watched a man die...."
If Ms. Parker is trying to make a case against capital punishment, she chooses the wrong case with which to try to argue such a position. I don't know of anyone who merely "stood by and watched a man die." Most of the world, including many Americans, folllowed this case, and its verdict and sentencing, with at least some degree of interest beyond morbid curiosity; many with a certain passion.

jerubaal
Re: How to tell the difference.

That's a good one! Will pass it along.

jerubaal- I used to think that I would
never want to watch an execution, or be an executioner, even though I have always been for the death penalty. I always though I would leave that to people who could stomach it.

But the more I see our culture being deconstruced out from under our feet the more I am willing to say I would flip the switch or drop the pellet, or perform the injection.

Guys
I feel for Saddam, and so will not watch the video. But I feel more for his victims, and so support his execution.

I'm always this way with death penalties or long prison terms. If you're that guy, it really sucks to be you. But it sucks more to be that guy's victim.

Rose
The more manly the men, the more feminine the women, which in turn encourages the men to make society less caustic for our delicate ladies.

Goshawk
How do you tell the difference between a male and a female chromosome?



You pull down its genes.

My ConLaw bar review instructor was seriously murdering us with the puns for the past two days, okay?

Mountain Rose
I agree. Though I think your speaking of a time when Men were Men and Women were Women! These days it's difficult to tell the difference!

Coolnout- No Thanks
Coolnout writes: Friday, January, 05, 2007 12:53 PM
re: Mountain Rose
"Why don't you move to the middle east where all your dreams will be realized? Saudia Arabia would be a good place for you. You'll have the religious cultural yearnings you desire including, public hangings, stonings, hand removal for petty crimes and for goodness sakes, NO DANCING!"
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No Thanks, doofus!

Can't do without my dancing and champagne, and don't want to wear a bee-keeper outfit.

I didn't say I wanted to return to public executions, just pointed out that the more pus$ified our culture becomes, the more aggressive the entertainment. When we were more war-like, the our heros were more civilized. I think there is a link.

Although I wouldn't want hangings in the public square, I think that bringing back the stocks for Leftie Losers to be pelted with over-ripe tomatoes would be great!

Proud_OIF_I_Vet
I couldn't agree with you more! And am very sorry to hear about the loss of one of your guys.

It's hard to believe the rationalizing of some posting here. Stating that the way the hanging was conducted might upset the Muslims!
Good Lord! These barbarians get upset and kill people over a cartoon! Just goes to prove. Appeasement is alive and well!

Bcarlowise is Right!
He posted: "The execution should have been professionally taped and broadcast for all to see in order to send a very clear message that the reward for such atrocities as he committed is death. Why is it that so many have come to accept the notion that public displays such as executions are somehow the domain of less civilized people? What keeps a society free from crime is DETERRENCE and that is exactly what is missing in the Western Civilization these days. It is no small wonder that we are experiencing the onslaught from Islam and other terrorists. Western Civilization has ceased calling a spade a spade and instead wants to feign "tolerance" and "civility". Katherine's column displays that to 'T'. What a disappointment."

My friend in California was disgusted when I said I couldn't wait to Google for the video of Saddam's hanging. I have watched it several times with satisfaction, although with some iritation at the idiot weidling the video phone. Fire hose technique? As a former prosecutor, I was ready to inflict capital punishment on a perp. If I had had such a case (I never did), I would have been entitled to watch the execution as would the victims of the crime. Since we are all victims of Saddam's crimes, we all should be entitled to watch. We should have the stomach to watch. As for the chanting, I didn't know what they were saying, so it didn't bother me. But I think whatever was said was said for the benefit of the other Arabs, not just Iraqis, who will see this video. Arab dictators everywhere, be afraid, be very afraid. Oppressed Arabs everywhere, see that you are strong and can execute your torturer and achieve JUSTICE, not revenge. Yes, it should have been professionally taped and broadcast for all the Iraqis to see.
As for Kathleen Parker's "we're all executioners now", what a load of hogwash. I am shocked to read this kind of junk on a conservative website. I am afraid we will have to pull her party card. Kathleen, into the penalty box with you.

I watched the video
But it wasn't really about voyerism. I was and am genuinely concerned about how this is going to play out in the Middle East. I took a careful look at it from the perspective of someone who might be looking for reasons to act against us, and there were plenty of reasons in the video. For all his crimes, Saddam handled himself with dignity that the current state was unable to muster. Thus it looked more like a lynchin' than capital punishment.

However, what is more disturbing are contextual issues about the execution-- the fact that it took place at the beginning of a Sunni holiday but before the Shiite one, and other blatent sectarian aspects.

Thus it isn't just about Saddam anymore. It is about how the Maliki government is actively stoking the fires of sectarian violence.

In my recent blog post, I called for a near-term withdrawal from Iraq. However, I am not opposed to staying *if* we are willing to recognize that the current Iraqi government is a failed experiment and we need to go back and start that whole process over. I cannot, however, endorse our troops supporting a government which is not doing what it can to create a stable Iraq.

Justice
Kathleen
Your underlining message here to me is that the perpatrators of criminal acts have the right to commit them because the victim or victims rights are forfeited because they had the audacity to exist. Too many times in our court systems the rights of murder victims are not defended and yet every right that can be used are granted the perp. This is the greatest miscarriage of justice and its people like you bleeding hearts that the victims right to life is lost.

Kathleen
Get your pointy nose out of the air. Saddam could have been hung in public like the old days. Too bad it wasn't done that way and everyone could have thrown rocks at him prior to the hanging.

Put his head on a pike
I watched the video of Saddam's hanging not because I wanted to watch some sort of "snuff film" but because I wanted to find out what all the fuss was about. The film was so grainy that I could hardly tell what was going on. Then the shouting began, the taunting of Saddam. Frankly, it didn't seem that bad to me. After all, this is a man who murdered and tortured thousands. He was given a nice clean death. My only regret about the taunting is that it gives those excitable Sunnis yet more reasons to riot and kill as if they need yet another reason.
His body was even returned to his family all nice and intact. Were it not that it would just anger the Sunnis even more, ideally his head should have been cut off and placed on a pike on the road leading into Bagdad from the airport just as traitors' heads were once put on London Bridge.

Liberal versus liberal versus savage....
First as to the Liberals (note "L") and the related anti-American moonbat brigade, may they be tossed feet-first into a Saddam-era shredder. And raped (not just females) and otherwise brutalized in the manner that the thugs they support are.

And as to the savages, well they are just that and should be treated like the wild animals they are.

But Parker does raise a valuable issue, how should liberals (note small "l") deal with such a world. Remember that a liberal is one who holds the values of the Western Christian Liberal Enlightenment and that includes Rush Limbaugh - I could go through political theory 101 but the important point is that there are certain almost religious principles which apply.

All of natural law comes from this. The entire pro-live movement is based on it. When Rush is quoting Jefferson on "the creator" and such, this is what he really is talking about even if he doesn't realize it.

So for a liberal (again note small "l") to kill another is problematic. Unlike other cultures, he/she/it has a problem because the killee possesses certain rights from God and you are infringing on these rights.

Killing in self defense is perfectly acceptable. Causing an accidental death of another is also acceptable because you tried not to - this concept includes the not shooting prisoners in the back and the rest of the UCMJ/Geneva Convention of War.

Killing in self defense applies to protecting third parties. [l]iberals (but NOT Liberals) would have no problem with you putting a full box of ammo through someone in the process of trying to rape your wife -- you are exercising her right to self defense on her behalf and overkill is understandable if not encouraged.

The problem for liberals (NOT Liberals) involves executions and the mistake Parker is making is in not considering the killing of Saddam to be self defense. It is the issue of killing without realizing what you are killing - sort of like the issue that would arise in cutting off a woman's breast without realizing that it is to remove breast cancer.

Respect Parker's arguement - she has a point WHEN you neglect to include just how evil Saddam was *and* how savage (and illiberal) his culture is....

hammurabi...NOT!
Never having liked that "eye for eye/tooth for tooth" thing but not having ever read many a compelling counter-views that I found to be anything more than eggheaded pablum, I was truly heartened by Ms. Parker's article--not that I agree with every statement she made, but I agree with her overall assessment of cyber-spectacles.

The Internet, it is true, has made the world smaller and brought together people of diverse backgrounds; but it has also, by the sheer volume of information it (and other media) churns out, made us less REFLECTIVE of the MEANING of what goes on in our world--things like significance, implications, or even our own true feelings about those goings-on. It's all just one big News Flash followed by a Blurb followed by an Ad followed by Entertaining Technokitsch.

Blech!

Back to Hammurabi--ancient Babylonian lawgiver--and his code:

How can Saddam's death ever possibly be a compensating "eye" or "tooth" for those he killed? Does having millions watching while he die accomplish that?

Really, I don't know. I'm not sorry he's gone. But on the other hand--

I believe we need to take a critical look at the efficacy of punishment as "compensation"--and even, for that matter, as "deterrant." The best time to kill a monster is the moment you catch him; and the best thing you accomplish by killing him is preventing him from killing others. You don't make the world safe from monsters, and you don't resurrect his victims, by putting a monster to death.

And when public execution becomes nothing more than a media event, then it's "ho-hum," more R-rated entertainment. Thus saith the Ray.

Justice isn't always tidy!
Ms. Parker, you completely missed the boat on this issue. Mountain Rose and several others caught it.

We're in a war where the enemy thinks nothing of the most hideous forms of death that anyone can imagine. Remember the contractors ripped to shreds at Fallujah? How about the dull butter knife beheadings? Some of these crimes were paid for by Saddam Hussein's "Oil for Palaces, Weaponry, WMD and Terror" program, while Iraqi citizens were forced to depend on a "food basket" with the rations "allotted" them by the WFP during the so-called "sanctions era".

As for myself, Ms. Parker, I watched the video several times. Why? For the same reason victims of a criminal are allowed, if they choose, to be witnesses at the execution. I watched it for closure for all of my fellow service-members who didn't get to come home from this war.

I particularly watched it for the young man who died on my base defending the rest of us from a car bomb, just 3 days and 2 hours before the announcement of Saddam's capture. While members of my unit helped pick up some of his body parts around the bomb site, his head, Ms. Parker, was flung over 60 feet high and wound up found by a local farmer in a date palm.

The announcement of Saddam's capture came just shortly after we had the memorial service for this brave American.

As for the manner of the execution (i.e. the taunting), someone from CENTCOM said something to the order of: "The Iraqis had charge of the process and they'll have to learn from their mistakes." Yep. They did and they will.

I could only wish all the rest of the creeps in the ME were standing in line already for their date with the rope. Then we could bring all our brave service members home with pride in a job well done. Until then, SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS!

P.S. Ms. Parker, my comments don't have anything to do with some "macho masculine war-mongering" mindset. You and I are the same gender. I just happen to think Joan of Arc is a better role model for our present times than your attitude.

On second thought...
maybe we *are* all executioners.

But here's the $64,000 question: Is there really anything wrong with that?

When a society imposes justice (not revenge) on an individual as despicable as Saddam, aren't we all in some small way the ones pulling the lever on the hangman's platform? I suppose we are. And I don't think it is anything to apologize for.

I never could figure out
the logic of those moralistic after-school specials where the school bully pummeled people repeatedly between commercial breaks, and when it was finally time after 55 minutes for him to get his just deserts, we'd get a sermon instead of somebody who seriously could have benefited from a fat lip and black eye.

"Now kids, if you are mean to this boy, you've become just like him."

Uh, how so?

In the sense that he picked on innocents for the sheer pleasure of inflicting pain?

In the sense that he intentionally sought out those weaker than himself?

In the sense that he would continue to do it for as long as it was tolerated?

I always figured that by soundly thrashing the guy and sending a clear "we're not gonna take it anymore" message, we were in fact being loving to the person. Better to learn the lesson that bad behavior won't be tolerated now than later in life when you're behind bars and have heard too many sermons to count while acting on none of them.

I guess in Parker's world, we're all bullies now.

Is it right?
There is a difference between repulsion from gore and repulsion from evil. The first is morally neutral, the second is morally commendable.
If we believe that Sadaam's execution was fitting and just, then there is no need to be repulsed by the morality of the act. If you are repulsed by the act of hanging itself, then you are squeamish, and that's that. If you are repulsed by his hanging because you believe that capital punishment is wrong, or that hanging is a barbaric method; then you are repulsed on moral grounds, which is different from the repulsion that Kathleen Parker is talking about.

This is a sick psychotic quote;
---"State-administered death is always a greater horror than any other by virtue of the methodical reasoning that precedes it. French philosopher Albert Camus wrote that ``capital punishment is the most premeditated of murders, to which no criminal's deed, however calculated, can be compared."---
THIS SHOWS THAT THERE ARE TRULY DEMENTED PEOPLE IN THE WORLD WHO ARE MORE CONCERNED WITH VISCOUS MURDERERS AND TYRANTS WHEN THEY SHOULD BE CONCERNED WITH THE VICTIMS OF HEINOUS CRIMES! THE THREE MAIN PROBLEMS WITH THE EXECUTION OF THIS CRUEL DICTATORIAL TYRANT IS THAT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SHOWED ON LIVE TY AND THE EXECUTION SHOULD HAVE BEEN A SLOW TORTUOUS DEATH (LIKE MOST OF HIS VICTIMS) AND THAT THE LIVE TRIAL OF THE MASS MURDER OF THE KURDS DID NOT TAKE PLACE!

Mussolini
and his mistress were publicly hanged upside down following their executions. Apparently the Italians were satisfied with the DNA they saw hanging there; there haven't been any dictators there since. There's nothing wrong with an oppressed people finally getting to see the end of the tyrant that crushed them under his boot for so long. Seeing is believing.

I saw the video clip linked from Drudge. Whatever Saddam's eternal destiny may be, it was right and yes, even satisfying to see him get his just punishment this side of heaven-or hell.

We are all executioners
What a bunch of crap! Move to Europe if you desire their outlook to be your guide. The man was a filthy savage (much as the "insurgents" that roam the streets inflicting their violence on innocents) and butcher of humans who didn't know the meaning of mercy. I'm sure he will properly represent Arab savagery in hell with the (now) butchers quartet of Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot and Hussein.

You win some you lose some
Kathleen is so right on so many subjects but on this one she is way off. The execution should have been professionally taped and broadcast for all to see in order to send a very clear message that the reward for such atrocities as he committed is death. Why is it that so many have come to accept the notion that public displays such as executions are somehow the domain of less civilized people? What keeps a society free from crime is DETERRENCE and that is exactly what is missing in the Western Civilization these days. It is no small wonder that we are experiencing the onslaught from Islam and other terrorists. Western Civilization has ceased calling a spade a spade and instead wants to feign "tolerance" and "civility". Katherine's column displays that to 'T'. What a disappointment.

Krauthammer has it right
I hate to agree with a neo-con, but take a look at his column. He has it EXACTLY right.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/CharlesKrauthammer/2007/01/05/botched

The pitiful, naive, thoughtless comments of most other conservatives on this topic illustrate why we are not capable of winning this war.

Hogwash, Ms Parker: how far will you go?
Hussein *had* to be hanged *only*, because it's a clear denoting of a true criminal, just as the top Nazis had to be hanged (most of them did not ask for leniency, just to be shot instead of hanged).

In fact, we shouldn't have given the body back to the family but cremated it and spread (dumped) the ashed in an undisclosed location. Hussein's end should be *final*.

Besides, how far does one go with the "we are all executioners" argument? I've seen TV specials about prison and the violence and rapes that occur there. Since I support sending people to prison -- while knowing in advance that some men and women are raped there, aka "premeditated rape"? -- am I also a rapist?


The issue is not that Saddam was hung
It is the propaganda uses to which the videos of the hanging are put and their value in promoting the objectives of those who want to inflame the civil war in Iraq.

The administration and our military were not disturbed in the least by the fact that Saddam was hung. They were angered by the fact that the sadistic taunting and general unruliness of the event were captured (illegally) on video and the obvious use they were put to immediately in propaganda. The grainy videos tend to make the shias carrying out the execution look like a bunch of thugs and Saddam a stoic sunni martyr. There was no need for this. All that had to be done was to carry out the execution in an orderly fashion -- and keep all cameras out of the chamber.

There is no need to see the neck snap to the accompaniment of jeers and cheers to prove Saddam is dead. A corpse and DNA are sufficient.

The resulting news stories from the botched hanging serve only those who would inflame Sunni and shia passions further to incite additional violence in the current low level civil war. That is the last thing the administration and any sane American wants to have happen. That is why thinking people react to the spectacle with disgust. It is not because they somehow feel sorry for Saddam.

Voyeurism
We should return to prompt executions in the public square. One of the fundamental theories of criminal law is that the state by imposing penalties very publically deters future criminals. Since time immemorial civilization has protected itself from the worst human tendencies by punishment, prompt, severe and public.

In recent years, the Warren Court during the 50s and 60s comes to mind, the trend has been to concern ourselves with the criminal rather than society or the victim which has seen the death penalty, favored by a large majority of Americans, become a joke. The ACLU and others now contend that lethal injection is cruel and unusual. That argument is a proxy for opposition to the death penalty.

Hussein was tried, convicted and executed within three years of his capture. In the US a criminal sentenced to death, if the penalty is ever imposed due to appeals and delays and commutations and the like, will not see the executioner for 20 years after his crime.

That it criminal, not that we want to see a monster hung. This is not voyeurism, it is witness to justice.

Oh, boo-hoo for Hussein
I wonder what the young Kurdish mother holding her infant daughter thought as she breathed in the chemical weapons Hussein dropped on them? Or the man who was trying to establish some form justice as he was placed against a wall before he was shot by Hussein's men? Or the young girl lying in the rape room of one of Saddam's sons?

I wonder if they would agree with you, Parker?

I wonder in the split second the rope was tightening around Saddam's neck as he fell if he thought about those people...

Bah
First off: watching a video of an execution is a far cry from witnessing it first-hand. The video conveys information from only two senses (at most)--sight and sound. The aroma of death, as well as the sounds and sights that cannot be captured by a single camera, are more compelling than mere video.

And just as video is no substitute for reality, a cloistered execution is no substitute for a public one.

Pop psychology loves to rave on about "closure," but it is a poor substitute for catharsis, which is the effect of public and brutal executions.


Sometimes proof of death is necessary
As I said, while prurient, the video does serve to prove that anybody who says Saddam is alive somewhere and waiting to return to power is lying.

This pre-emptively kills the rumor that the new Iraqi government would somehow let Saddam escape, and come back to rule.

nomorekennedys & Read:Witness....

I agree wholeheartedly with Rich. Your posts are two of the best I have ever read at TH.com.

Please hang around. We need your insight and eloquence.

a bumper sticker
"Babies should be born; Murderers, executed. Yes, it IS that simple."

Ms. Parker, They use capital punishment
for entertainment in the Middle East. They even do it in the public square. In this way, propective criminals cannot use the lame excuse, I didn't know that couls happen.
Thieves have hands lopped off. Drug dealers are shot in the head. Yes it is gruesome, but hey, they do not have overcrowded prisons. They do not have a lot of crime per se.
I am not advocating this type of punishment but it does tell us something. If we go easy on criminals, there will be more of them, and more crime.
Saddam got what he deserved and if people want to watch the video maybe it is just to confirm that the Butcher of Bahgdad finally got his.

nomorekennedys
You wrote what I would have were I so eloquent. Same to Mountain Rose. Mrs. Parker must have left her brain in neutral for this column, it is not anywhere near her usual stuff.

And I really like your handle, nomorekennedys indead. I would add Kerrys, Pelosis and more, but there isn't time or room for all of them.

JUSTICE

Normally a sane author, Parker has this time gone over the edge of reason and into the abyss of moral ambivalence.

I agree with Gary Gordon and "Read: Witness" -- Parker is too insulated from the real world, as are most journalists and academics. None of us is getting out of here alive. What is so difficult to understand about this? The thesis behind her article is absurd -- but worse, in the name of.......what? "tolerance"? "mercy"? "decorum"?.......she is denying JUSTICE, not only to victims, but to the State (that would be all the rest of us) as well.

How did we get here? JUSTICE is not barbarism, but exactly the opposite. If you believe that God created all people with "certain inalienable rights" (among these LIFE), then you must also acknowledge that the community has a God-given right to demand JUSTICE for victims. Those who knowingly and willingly put others in an early grave deserve no less themselves, at the collective hand of us all.

But I realize that true JUSTICE here on Earth is an illusion. I rest in my faith that Saddam is now standing before his Creator and speechless at the question being posed to him -- "Why should I let you into my Heaven"? Saddam now has all of eternity to contemplate his evil, and his free will has been lost forever. THAT is JUSTICE.

Saddam's execution
I don't want to hear or read any more whining and complaining about Saddam's execution. He got a far better deal than he gave his victims - countless thousands of them. I'm nausiated by guttless and self-rightous American journalists who pontificate and moralize about what they think is wrong with the execution. It was a relief and a joyous event - for the whole world, despite the understandable antagonism of his executioners.

A video society

Why the big surprise? This is a video society, watching rather than reading.
The NY Times readership is going down due to the lack of true literacy in the US almost as much as for their political views.
What is the reading level of the average person, seems to me 6th grade or so. The video news is even more juvenile in most cases. Don't believe me? Look at the Trump-Rosie nah-nah-nah
We would rather watch than go to the trouble of reading.

Props to Rose
Rose, your post on the sanitization of society summarized the rant I wanted to unleash so eloquently, I can only say well spoken. Every time I hear the "why should I care about cows, I buy milk at the store" arguement I want to puke. Not only is the dislocation from death to blame, the abdication from personal responsibility for actions taken explain the leftist aversion to the death penalty. This will be explained in chapter two of "Mental Diseases of Moonbats".

View the execution - nah
What is most interesting is the behavior (in court) of the relatives of a murderer. In one instance, a fight broke out in the court room as a relative of the murderer (after hearing that her relative was to be confined for life with no parole) stated that the penalty was unfare as the victim, being 65 years old, didn't have that much time left to live. Viewing this (and other similar cases) convinced me that this families disrespect for the lives of others was cultural - not personal.

Clicking on death, a darned good thing
I am not at all ashamed or amazed at real Americans wanting to watch the Hussein execution. It's your typical female mentality to "shield" her chicks from "horrors" like these. However, an adult should most definitely see what we spent thousands of American lives and billions of American dollars accomplishing. It is what other women would call "closure" as long as they were the ones calling the shots. So Americans, vote for closure, confidence, and competence.

In the Old Testament, God's own rule stated that a son or daughter who cursed his/her parents should be put to death by stoning, and the parents were to cast the first stones. I'll bet Kathleen parker would recoil in horror about such a cruel God, too. But let me put this in perspective, Kathleen; If that was the law of the land, and you knew that if you raised up a son of that ilk that you'd have to stone him to death, yourself, how much more careful would you be to raise a strong, responsible young man with character and values, rather than indulge a snivelling monster who would damn your eyes?

Likewise Saddam Hussein, who, as a "wicked son" of Iraq and the Baath Party has received his due. I appreciate it and I am happy for iraq, which did the right thing! Also, Iraq has now set a precedent. Let all wicked rulers beware.

We do not take personal revenge upon a tyrant or any criminal when we uphold the law and execute them, accordingly. Nor do we "rejoice" that they paid the ultimate price. But instead, a Christian rejoices that justice was done, and that evil was put away from our doorstep. And by golly, anybody that wants to assure themselves that this was, in fact accomplished has my blessing and also any real MAN's blessing, as well.

Craigo

Please Parker!
You are embarrassing yourself.

The only thing worth discussing in the entire Saddam capture, trial and execution story is how we got to the point in our development in the Western World where the majority of our population is so shockingly far removed from the realities of life and death.

Parker, your article is a revealing essay about how you are totally lacking in any real experience with life and death. It is truly astonishing that you would actually put justly administered capital punishment, rest homes, car accidents, the Blair Witch Project and criminal murder in the same discussion. Only someone without any real experience life and death would mix up such disparate topics.

Soldiers who have seen their comrades get blown away and who know that they are just one step away from annihilation do not care to see a video of the pastafication of Saddam’s neck. You and the hundreds of millions of pampered Westerners who take their physical safety for granted would say that this is because frontline soldiers are jaded and hardened. Not true.

Soldiers who mete out death and face their own have a love of life and living. The media have propagandized away the truth about military service. Oliver Stone would have you think that military service turns soldiers into shell-shocked zombies. But the truth is that those who have met their mortality (as I have) appreciate life and living more than those (like you) who have absolutely no clue about how quickly a living soul can go from upright, walking and talking to a t*ts up corpse.

So Saddam was hung. What’s there to discuss? Bupkis. Time for contemplation? Hardly. Except that if more necks of murderers snapped at the end of the hangman’s noose, yours, Parker, would not be so threatened. Get some frontline experience Parker and I guarantee you’ll quit embarrassing yourself with musings about the idiotic voyeurism of those who are naive about matters of life and death.

If you spent any time facing the dirty nightshirts who want more than anything to separate your neck from your shoulders with a dull butter knife (after violating and torturing you), you’d realize it is not a question of whether or not we should have capital punishment but of why we don’t have more.

Until then, we’ll keep your little tushie safe so you can be as stupid as you want to be and write all day long about it.

Happy scribbling.

Death is too good ...
for some people. Death is not punishment enough for me. I believe those guilty of heinous crimes should be forced into hard labor for the rest of their natural lives with little to no salve put on any wound be it physical or mental. Let it be well known to anyone who contemplates a future of criminal activity that any person convicted of such activity will be subjected to near tyrannical physically painful labor and some form of restitution. Yes, I know you can't put a price on life, but the courts do it every day.

The upside is if they are ever found to have been wrongly convicted, you haven't done something that is irreversible.

Death and video
Saddam is dead, and good riddance to bad rubbish. Saddam Hussein was the sort of person for whom the death penalty was designed: a patently, unrepentantly evil man who committed unspeakably evil acts for a very long time against innumerable people. Stalin, Hitler, and Pol Pot (et al.) could only be considered more evil simply in the sheer volume of dead by their orders. Additionally there were many who would kill themselves and others to free him so he could commit more crimes. The same would go for bin Laden and other terrorist leaders. Killing them will prevent them from killing others, and it is the only way to do so. So Saddam has faced his final judgement, and his soul will spend eternity wherever God wills. Where that will be I can only guess.

As to the topic at hand. (A) Capital punishment, administered fairly is a reasonable punishment for extremely serious crimes, like multiple murder (for example). I've never had a problem with it, especially for the likes of Saddam. (B) The problem here is the video of Saddam's death. I was perfectly satisfied to simply hear that he had been hanged. I do not need to see the video or the photos. I have not, and will not, avail myself of that opportunity. It's enough for me to know that it happened. I don't need to see it any more than I need to see the Steve Irwin death pictures advertised on the front of every supermarket tabloid since September. The fascination of watching people die is nothing new. I give you the gladiatorial games in ancient Rome. That, however, doesn't make it a good thing. One should never revel in the death of another, even someone so evil as Saddam. You don't need to weep for him (I certainly haven't shed any tears) but celebration or getting the video is not the appropriate response either. That sort of thing turns us into them: the people who use death and destruction to force their will on others.

HJG

Wisdom and Justice, An Intimate Pair
That capital punishment is premeditated, it very well should be. But if you can't distinguish between murder and punishment, Ms. Parker, between crime and justice, then you don't have a brain in your head; that is to say, you have as much wisdom as the philosopher you quote.

Since God has put us all on death row, shouldn't that be telling us something?

"Whence then cometh wisdom? and where is the place of understanding?" Job 28:20

"And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the LORD, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding." Job 28:28

Since evil departed from us that day, why would you lament that?

Gary Gordon

Mountain Rose...
You are absolutely right...The Amish people, and I Don't know if they still do this,but their elders were "moved" the "elder house" once they became too old or unable to help in the daliy grind...They were not forgotten, just taken care of away from the work.
I like to say I have "proverbial balls" when I feel my children need toughening up,as I beleive society almost demands it.
With all the politically correct sh** out there, I am always giving my offspring reality checks to beat the band, no sugarcoating anything...but you are spot on all the way.

A good riddance

Research and development in technology and advancement in education can change our environment; but not the mind set of people.

A play let at the gallows; a good riddance of Saddam; to save our own skins.

No, we're really NOT all executioners.
“But then what? We've stood by and watched a man die. Not in the heat of battle or the throes of passion, but passively, dispassionately. That is to say, with the cool detachment of an executioner.
We are all executioners now.”

Speak for yourself, Parker. I know it’s only rhetoric you’re using, but even so, it’s a way-overblown comment. My watching the execution of a brutal mass murderer- and maybe even taking some pleasure in it, given the scarcity of real justice nowadays- in no way compromises my innocence. I’m no executioner, and I’m certainly further away from one on the moral compass than the person who fights for elimination or mitigation of penalty for those on death row. Anti-death penalty advocates cause a thousand deaths to the victims of heinous crimes with each appeal for a murderer’s clemency.

And I couldn’t disagree more with your (and Camus’) last point:

“State-administered death is always a greater horror than any other by virtue of the methodical reasoning that precedes it. French philosopher Albert Camus wrote that ``capital punishment is the most premeditated of murders, to which no criminal's deed, however calculated, can be compared.’”

That is hogwash for a number of reasons. (1) Irrespective of the pre-meditative aspect, the way in which we administer the death penalty in this country is so humane as to borderline on the absurd. This is particularly true when contrasted to the barbaric and inhumane way in which those on Death Row have killed and tortured their victims (in a pre-meditated way, too, I might add). There hasn’t been an infliction of “a horrible death” via the death penalty in decades- our leaders are worried about pinching too severely with the needle when giving a lethal injection.

(2) We take upwards of 20 years to mete out the death penalty, which likely serves to embolden criminals more than frighten them. What with groups like the Innocence Project, Liberal governors, and other do-gooders seeking guilt alleviation, the longer someone sticks around on Death Row, the more chances they get to avert it. Any pre-meditation on the part of the government surely isn’t torturing the populace on Death Row.

(3) Society in no way needs the kind of “equivalency” that Camus speaks of in his quote, in order to justify the Death Penalty. Just because capital punishment is more deliberate and pre-meditated than most killings does not negative its value; nor does it somehow make the killing more barbaric. Calling state-administrated death a “greater horror than any other” just because of its pre-meditative nature gives short shrift to all the number of horrors suffered on the part of the innocent victim. For example, the murderer chose his death, so to speak, in a way that couldn’t be further from the victim’s experience. Also, the victim suffers vastly more fear, pain, and worry in the process of being tortured, raped, and worse than does the criminal who is fed three squares and watches cable TV while awaiting a fate that may or may not come to be.

Still, if “equivalence” somehow would make it easier to employ the death penalty more in this country, I’ll concede that point: don’t tell a murderer on Death Row if and when he is to die, once it has been decided by a jury. Just arrange for a piano to be dropped on his head when he goes to get lunch.

voyerism- as old as old as civilization
Only in the Twentieth Century did we become so squeemish about things like public executions.

In days gone by, people crowded into the public square to watch hangings, and worse: Drawing & quartering, burning at the stake, and yes, crucifixion, were all performed in public.

People also slaughtered their own livestock and poultry to feed their families.

Death was not a stranger. Grandma died in bed her bedroom she occupied in your house.

Following the two world wars, and the brutal Communist regimes on the other side of the world, we no longer had the stomach for death. Papers no longer published pictures of executed criminals, and TV news refrained from showing dead bodies.

We got soft, unfamiliar with tragedy. We couldn't bear to watch Grandma die, so we stuck her in a "home." We got so used to buying meat in supermarkets, we couldn't bear to wring a chicken's neck.

Then a funny thing happened.

The softer and more emasculated our dominant culture, the more agressive the sub-cultures. Look at the extreme violence in the video games. The music has become more agressive and hostile as well, and the dancing more assertively vulgar. And have you watched a romantic movie? When the characters kiss, they look like they are animals biting each other, as if that is supposed to arouse me.

Ick!

And then these goons all stridently claim they are pacifists?

Pu-lease!

I think there is something in humanity that is reacting against the pussification of our culture that is being foisted on us from the left.
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