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Monday, June 30, 2008
Justin Hart :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Slippery Slope is Real (and Real Slippery)
by Justin Hart
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As the bedtime story tells it, Chicken Little’s unhinged nightmare began with a small piece of falling sky. The hysteria that followed assumed that the rest of the big blue ceiling would come tumbling down any minute. Today, conservatives are ritually accused of inciting a similar panic on issues from abortion to pornography; from immigration to States’ rights; and most recently with gay marriage. Skeptics casually cover us over with Mr. Little’s mantle and call us out for using a Slippery Slope argument. “You’re overreacting!” they exclaim.

The truth is that Progressives on the left are the ones using the Slippery Slope argument to support their agenda and push us down the very slide they say doesn’t exist.

Gay Marriage

Thanks to the California Supremes the big debate of the day revolves around gay marriage. Liberals accuse conservatives of drawing a sinister straight line from homosexuality to Armageddon. Certainly, there are pockets on the right who make this correlation but it’s the exception not the rule.

Most conservatives I hear from are upset about the inch-by-inch ground we give up on traditional values. The end result isn’t a ball of fire; instead we wake up in a foggy, swampy mess of concessions that really does impact society. Conservatives are more than happy to concede gray areas on this graph but not the trajectory.

Frankly, we don’t need to prove a downward slope. The left has done it for us. Take the justification of the New Jersey Supreme Court in their 2006 determination that the State can and should move closer and closer to gay marriage. Indeed, in their minds, it’s just the natural next step.

Follow their downward leading logic in their own words:

• "New Jersey's courts and its Legislature have been at the forefront of combating sexual orientation discrimination and advancing equality of treatment toward gays and lesbians."

• "In 1992, through an amendment to the Law Against Discrimination (LAD), New Jersey became the fifth state to prohibit discrimination on the basis of ‘affectional or sexual orientation.’"

• "In making sexual orientation a protected category, the Legislature committed New Jersey to the goal of eradicating discrimination against gays and lesbians."

• "In 2004, the Legislature added ‘domestic partnership status’ to the categories protected by the LAD."

• "The Legislature, moreover, created the New Jersey Human Relations Council to promote educational programs aimed at reducing bias and bias-related acts, identifying sexual orientation as a protected category."

• "Legislature passed the Domestic Partnership Act, which confers certain benefits and rights on same-sex partners who enter into a partnership under the Act."

• "The Domestic Partnership Act has failed to bridge the inequality gap between committed same-sex couples and married opposite-sex couples."

• "Significantly, the economic and financial inequities that are borne by same-sex domestic partners are also borne by their children."

• "Cast in that light, the issue is not about the transformation of the traditional definition of marriage, but about the unequal dispensation of benefits and privileges to one of two similarly situated classes of people."

“Cast in that light” has quickly become the verse, chorus and bridge for most every liberal libretto. Traditional marriage is bound to fall asunder when you cast it “in that light”. It’s high hypocrisy to claim that the Slipper Slope is a ruse and then utilize it to justify your endgame.

Abortion

Last week the National Institute of Child Health and Development announced a Down Syndrome test for pregnant mothers in their first trimester. The Washington Post quoted Dublin Surgeon Fergal Malone: “By the time you're 20 weeks pregnant, most women will be feeling fetal movement. We wouldn't want to underestimate the psychological or emotional difficulty of undergoing pregnancy termination that late.” Indeed.

The Clintonian mantra of “safe, legal and rare” has now given way to the Clintonian voting motif “early and often.” Of course, there’s also the question of why? Why is it that pro-choice advocates want to rid the world of Down Syndrome children?

Jonah Goldberg recently brought to light the historical relationship between eugenics and Liberal Progressives in his best-selling book Liberal Facism:

“Eugenics fit snugly within this new worldview, for if nations are like bodies, their problems are in some sense akin to diseases, and politics becomes in effect a branch of medicine: the science of maintaining social health. “

In short, if we’re going to get rid of unwanted babies we might as well get rid of the right ones. With these marching orders we finally understand the “why” of first trimester “disease” tests: Liberals know what’s best for all of us.

Conservatives have taken it on the chin for three decades now for suggesting that abortion could lead to soft eugenics. One neat thing about the Slippery Slope though is that it’s easy to document the downward spiral after you’re through the Hegelian water slide. Guess what, we were right.

As Amy Harman reported recently for the New York Times:

“Kirsten Moore, president of the pro-choice Reproductive Health Technologies Project, said that when members of her staff recently discussed whether to recommend that any prenatal tests be banned, they found it impossible to draw a line -- even at sex selection, which almost all found morally repugnant. "We all had our own zones of discomfort but still couldn't quite bring ourselves to say, 'Here's the line, firm and clear' because that is the core of the pro-choice philosophy," she said. "You can never make that decision for someone else." “

“Choice” is the ultimate subjective grease on the Slippery Slope which brings these contrasts into sharp relief: conservatives employ the Slippery Slope to call out our fall from grace; liberals acknowledge as much but insist we simply sit back, enjoy the ride and make the most of it. Like some bizarre reenactment of a Bugs Bunny “’dis line, no ‘dat line!” routine we find ourselves standing over the cliff with a free fall on our next step.

Pornography

Speaking of rabbits, we can’t seem to escape the omnipresent Playboy brand these days. This last week I shared a park bench with a teenager sporting a baseball cap with the familiar bunny logo. However, unlike its cousin, the drum-beating, ray-ban-wearing Energizer rodent, the consumptive product behind Hefner’s mascot isn’t quite as long lasting or satisfying.

Recent trends indicate that the centerfold playmate should start looking for another job. Professional porn is out; the day of the amateur has arrived. Pornography addicts of a gone-by age had to get their fix via the plastic wrapped glossy at off-hours and discretely hide it from their significant others. Today, the product comes streaming onto the iPhone free of charge while the significant other is watching on or more likely, filming it with you.

To each his own I suppose. Unless of course the “his” in “his own” is your 16-year-old son. In which case you end up with seventeen high-schoolers anxious to Tivo “Nanny 911” for pressing personal reasons. The nexus of technology, amorality and teenage curiosity is wreaking havoc on our children. Amateur porn has become the main sex educator of our kids. Professor James Weaver testified before the Senate in 2006:

“… pornography -- with its seemingly factual, documentary-style presentation of sexual behaviors -- has usurped most other socialization agents to become the de facto sex education for children and adults alike. Thus, the likelihood persists that the main messages of pornography have a stronger influence on the formation of sexual dispositions, including coercive disposition, than alternative forms of sexual indoctrination.”

Never mind this supposed damage. According to Justice Ginsburg and Souter who recently declared in their dissenting opinion in US vs. Williams: “As a general matter pornography lacks the harm to justify prohibiting it.” Visit PornographyStats.com to judge for yourself but I gather most people would at least agree that pornography isn’t fully harm-less. Even staunch feminist Naomi Wolfe senses the impact: “In the end, porn doesn't whet men's appetites—it turns them off the real thing.”

Unlike gay marriage and abortion the Slippery Slope for pornography is not what you expect. Today, sexually explicit material takes its shape in a YouTube clone for bestiality driving societal entropy and numbing the next generation of families to the possibility of true intimacy.

In 2005, NARAL sponsored a host of parties across the country with the cute catch phrase: “Screw abstinence!” That pretty much sums up the Left’s attitude towards conservatives as we stand there with our thumbs in the dike. Our stopgaps are their fodder to stoke the fires and push us down the Slippery Slope. Enjoy the ride!

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Libertarian Scum
It's a typo, you idiot.

Jump the SLOPE!
This happens all the time. Instead of being the frog getting slowly boiled, conservatives must FORCE these issues when they initially come up. Instead of just pointing out where we'll wind up on any given issue, amend legislation to include those ends. Include multiple partner marriages, animal marriages, whatever - bring the water to a boil much sooner than the liberals would like.

Todays paper
Page 2, article from San Francisco with a picture of a New York gay pride parade. Just below it, an article from San Francisco about the California wild fires.

They just won't get it will they? I get nauseated at the amount of press the gays get which erroneously gives them acceptance in their minds. I won't accept, for they put us all at risk just like everyother decadent behavior.

NJ
I have never been more proud to be from NJ! The slippery slope argument is BS!

Dear Dawn
You cannot read and understand what the author has documented. Now you are documented. Enjoy the ride.

On gays
"Economic and financial inequities?!" Last time I checked gays, on average, do better in earnings than straights (mainly because they are never "burdened" with trying to provide for a family, and, thus, can decide where to live and where to work as they see fit). Any "financial inequities" are in their favor. So they get taxed a little more on income. That's their choice, they decided to act on their supposedly "ingrained," "unalterable" urges.

Marriage shouldn't be for financial benefits. If it is, you shouldn't get married. It's doomed to failure in that case.

Millions of Dawns
Dear Dawn;

I have observed the slippery slope unfold in my nation and follow exactly the course that many very wise and far sighted observers of the moral scene in the USA predcted, over thirty years ago.

The gay movement and the abortion movement have repeatedly and disengenously stated that they are only interested in this or that small incremental change, and do not have any ultimate goals beyond that. Then, two years or five years later, they are pushing hard for the very thing they denied being interested in before.

Dawn, you are either seeking to deceive, or you are too young to have observed how these movements work toward ultimate goals which were written down long before, (I have such writings from the seventies.) or you are just clueless. In any case, what you wrote about BS is false.

On abortion
On the one hand I can see the use for pre-natal testing. My sister has Down Syndrome and the tests performed in the womb allowed my parents to prepare themselves, particularly in light of the fact that she would need open-heart surgery at 6 months old. Yes, it's been a struggle for my parents, but they are very happy and wouldn't have changed a thing. Certainly not by murdering my sister while she was still in the womb.

The Eugenics slippery slope that abortion promotes gets us into the realm of the Science Fiction film GATTACA, the premise of which is seeing a society where genetically engineered children are the norm and genetic discrimination is rampant, especially against naturally conceived children. One wonders which side, left or right, is more likely to lead us there.

bad conflation
1. Abortion is the termination of a life, a horrible thing.

2. Homosexuality is an ORIENTATION, NOT any more a choice than heterosexuality and no more retards or diminishes the potential of the person who is homosexual.

3. Down's syndrome is a distinct defect of mental and physical capability and attendant health problems with facial and physical features indicative of it.

Apparently, of the three, homosexuals are the least wanted, the most vilified, misunderstood children in the world and some people manage to terminate gay lives, or gay young folks do their own long after being born.

And many on this thread don't seem to be the least bit concerned about the real cause and effect, correlation and results of being gay and how a gay child can live to contribute successfully and positively to society.

Which is why it's a fair assessment to see those who are anti gay, are seriously twisted and irrational.


Slippery Slopes
Homosexuality activists said California Prop 22 would be the "slippery slope" to gay people being beaten in the streets. Didn't happen. As usual, most of the violence committed against gays was committed by... other gays, sometimes as the receiver's request.

Anyway, if there really is a "right" for people who "love each other" to have their marriage licensed by the state, as the California Supreme Court has asserted, then how can marriage licenses be denied to sibling or parent-child couples or to groups of people?

The answer, of course, is that state-licensed marriage is NOT A RIGHT. It is like a driver's license - something issued to someone who meets the criteria and for a practical purpose in the interest of the state, NOT to validate feelings, although that may be a result.

Orientation
Wikipedia - Sexual orientation, the direction of an individual's sexuality with respect to the sex of the persons the individual finds sexually attractive
Doesn't that make pedofilia a sexual orientation?

Wake up, du!
"Homosexuality is an ORIENTATION, NOT any more a choice than heterosexuality..."

Once again, you have no proof that homosexuality is not a choice. Race and gender are both proven to come from our genetics. There is no such genetic evidence of a homosexual "gene."

"...and no more retards or diminishes the potential of the person who is homosexual."

I can agree with this statement. However, contrary to the homosexual view, it is not one's sexual "identity" that makes a person great. I have no doubt that homosexuals can do everything a heterosexual can do, especially considering they are biologically the same!

"Apparently, of the three, homosexuals are the least wanted, the most vilified, misunderstood children in the world and some people manage to terminate gay lives, or gay young folks do their own long after being born."

This "statement" is the worst, lying, self-pitying piece of crap I have seen in a very long time! People have how many MILLIONS of abortions every year? Show me where "millions" of homosexuals are being killed with such casual abandon! It is impossible to compare the "crisis" of the homosexuals to the wholesale slaughter of the unborn.

Quit crying for your self-imposed "woes" and open your eyes long enough to see that other people have problems, too! And not all of them have to do with who they want to sleep with tonight!


Slippery slope arguments are often true
As usual, I've seen no attempt to rebut the columnist's arguments. All I've seen is the usual condescending and dismissive attitude toward "slippery slope" arguments. Alas, when it comes to abortion and homosexuality, "slippery slope" arguments have often proven true.

You show me someone who dismisses "slippery slope" arguments, and I'll show you someone who does not want to face the full implications of his/her own arguments.

To du and Anominus
You and I are wasting our time with the people on this board. I can assure Anominus that I did not choose my sexual orientation, any more than he chose to be heterosexual. By the way, Anominus, du is not gay. And, if you can't understand the hell that some gays/lesbians go through, well, that's your problem.

Swampfox
If you wouldn't flaunt your disordered sexuality, you wouldn't have the problems.

Pedophilia is a sexual orientation, and that's a deep chasm we are sliding into.

Swampfox
No one chooses to be heterosexual. That is the norm throughout all natural biology. This can be proven through the thousands of years of human reproduction. Considering humans reproduce through sexual intercourse (possible only between males and females) the evidence is indisputable. No similar evidence of homosexuality can be found. The reason for this is because homosexuals are genetically identical to heterosexuals.

The three sources of influence which determines the behavior of a human are genetics (race, gender, eye and hair color), social conditioning (peer pressure, upbringing, education) and personal choice (the will). Genetics is not changeable and can be physically proven through scientific experimentation. Both social conditioning and personal choice are changeable as shown through everyday life.

I couldn't care less with whom or what or how "du" wants to have sex. By his "argument" he is either a homosexual or a sympathizer and will be dealt with in this forum as such.

I don't have to sympathize with behavior to be able to criticize it. Homosexuals are not the only group in history to have faced persecution and criticism, so quit acting like you are the only "victims!" The supposed "hell" that homosexuals choose to put themselves through still has no comparison to the hell of abortion.

To Lucretia
To Lucretia, " If you wouldn't flaunt your disordered sexuality, you wouldn't have the problems.

Pedophilia is a sexual orientation, and that's a deep chasm we are sliding into."

How can I reason with anyone who would compare being homosexual with pedophilia? Lucretia, you are part of the problem.

Swampfox
Homosexuality is only a matter of preference.

Pedophilia is only a difference of age.

Necrophilia is only a difference of being alive.

Bestiality is only a difference of being human.

Each of these are "preferences" of minority groups in society. All can be justified by the same reasoning used by homosexuals. All laws regarding these preferences can be changed because a liberal judge says so. Moral tradition is what causes people to hold these preferences as deviant. The same moral tradition you reject because it doesn't favor your personal desires...

Accept all or reject none! All in the name of "tolerance!"

To Anominus
I guess you don't know my story. I am probably the only virgin posting on this board. I stayed in the closet and silent about my sexual orientation for over 25 years. Don't talk to me about will-power. You abstain from sex and avoid conversations of it for as long as I have, then we can talk. I have no idea what caused my sexual orientation. My guess it has some genetic element along with some other factors.

Swampfox
I don't need to know your "story." You don't know mine either, yet you criticize my beliefs regularly on these forums.

I am still a virgin, and will be til the day I am married or die. I don't feel the need to talk about my sexual preferences with anyone. I may not be as old as you, or I could be older. Who knows or cares? I know of people who go their whole lives without sex.

You have no idea what causes your "orientation," so how can you be sure it wasn't a choice or a social influence or some other factor? If it were a genetic factor, why is there no genetic evidence?

I don't hate you. I have no reason to. What I do hate is when people try to redefine something they have no respect for for their own benefit. Marriage has deep religious and social connotations for me and all the people I know. If homosexuals weren't so stuck on forcing social acceptance through the law, it wouldn't be such an issue.

I'm sorry if you take my statements as "hate." I feel that it is hateful of tradition, one of my beliefs, to redefine marriage. However, when you force an issue you should expect a backlash.

BTW
People choose to do horrible things to themselves all the time. They usually try to lessen the psychological impact of their choices by convincing themselves that it wasn't a choice. It's how abused girlfriends stay with the guy who beats them. The few moments of pleasure is their crutch. It's one of the reasons people keep using drugs and alcohol. The addiction is their crutch.

Orientation
Lucretia posts a definitation and then ignores it when adding a reference to pedophilia.

Wikipedia - Sexual orientation, the direction of an individual's sexuality with respect to the sex of the persons the individual finds sexually attractive.

The sex of the person you find attractinve is your orientation. And regardless of Anon states, orientation and preference are also different and the other things you list are not orientations. There are reasons that pedophilia will always be illegal and rightfully so as children can not give legal consent to sex. Neither can dead bodies or animals. This should be simple to understand and yet it is constantly trotted out because those things are scary to think about. Most every parent rightfully wants to protect their child from harm and linking gay men and women to pedophiles strikes a nerve. The truth hardly matters when you can get an emotional response.

However, these are not valid arguments. If they were, then it would be equally valid to say that since it is legal for two people to marry, than why should it not be legal for a father to marry his daughter or a brother and sister? They are an adult couple of the opposite sex after all, why should they be excluded?

Ultimately that is the problem with slippery slope arguments, any thing can be held up as a possible consequence no matter how little relation the things have...

Loki
Homosexuality used to be illegal, too. Why not just change the law regarding pedophilia like they did for homosexuals?

Anominus
Because the difference is huge. Homosexuality is no longer illegal becuase the Supreme Court found that it could not restrict the rights of two adults in the privacy of their home. There was also the issue that the law was being applied unfairly since heterosexual couples were not being charged under the law although all the acts included under the old sodomy statutes were and are practiced by straight couples as well.

With pedophilia, the rights of the minor will always be infringed. Legally they can not give consent and the governemnt exists to protect the rights of those who can not protect themselves such as children. I realize you need peopel to beleive that if we allow same-sex marriage, the children are next, but that is simply not the case. No country that had same-sex marriage also allows pedophilia. It sounds scary, I agree, but it is no more likely to become the case if gay men and women can marry.

Loki
First comes tolerance, then comes acceptance, then comes encouragement. Just because you aren't hearing about it in other countries, just means that it hasn't gotten to that point yet.

Laws are supposed to be based on tradition. Liberal judges have no respect for tradition. The "age of consent" is a concept based on tradition. If tradition can be changed, why not simply lower the age of consent?

To Anominus
Anominus, The human genome has not been totally mapped and the purpose of all the genes work is certainly not known. Some think that it something that happens while the child is in the womb. Perhaps you should read what the APA and the American Psychiatric Association have to say about homosexuality.

Can you tell me when you chose to be heterosexual?

As for the illegality of homosexuality. At one time fornication and adultery were illegal, too.

To Anominus
Anominus writes, "Laws are supposed to be based on tradition. Liberal judges have no respect for tradition. The "age of consent" is a concept based on tradition. If tradition can be changed, why not simply lower the age of consent?" Legislators can pass any law that darn well want to pass. The executive branch carries out these laws. It is the duty of the judiciary to exam to the laws that are challenged as to see whether or not they follow the constitution........ if, we still followed tradition, women would still be considered chattel and would not have the right to vote.

Swampfox
Already explained. No one chooses to be heterosexual. Everyone is born that way. Male and female. In all honesty, there is no real "choice" available in genetics considering that it's the only way to pass genes and reproduce.

The APA is about as liberal as an organization can be. Previously, they had homosexuality listed as a mental disorder. Without any proof to the contrary, they changed their minds regarding it. The APA is a bit too biased to be considered a reliable source.

I never said that fornication and adultery should have been legalized, nor do I accept or approve of them. Not only that, I also speak out against them. There just isn't normally a forum for that issue here. What's your point?

Swampfox
Women did not gain the right to vote through judicial activism. Society changed those traditions over time, Not instantly through judicial fiat.

Women's suffrage passed through the proper legislative process. This issue is irrelevant here.

If a judge can change law without regard to tradition, there is nothing to stop them from changing the age of consent.

To Anominus
The purpose of our constitution is to protect the rights of the individual from mob rule. As for Wommen's suffrage being irrelevant here, that is your opinion. Fifty percent of the populations was disenfranchised, because of tradition. Yet, those who protested for the right to vote were radicals. Homosexuals represent perhaps three percent to five percent of the population. They have been demonized and marginalized by the majority. They have even been taught that they are mentally ill. They have been subjected to arrest and imprisonment. Now can you realize the abuse that they have been subjected to? The great traditional leader of Iran makes the claim that Iran has no homosexuals. Of course if a homosexual is found, they might be hung by a crane in the middle of the town square.

Swampfox, 1
Actually, the purpose of the constitution was to protect the people from the government by specifically listing the powers of government and how those powers were supposed to work.

Women's suffrage is irrelevant here, because, as I stated previously, the laws regarding the right to vote were changed through the proper venues. They went through the legislative process, the constitutional way, and not through judicial activism. The laws were not passed because of the actions of any "radicals" or protesters, but because the portion of society capable of voting determined that women had earned the right to vote.

This is different from the way that homosexuals are "legitimized." The law was changed against the will of society by radical liberal judges legislating from the bench. You might think this is a good thing because it supports your lifestyle. However, what if instead of homosexuality, the issue had been pedophilia?

Swampfox, 2
Deviant behavior is always demonized and marginalized by society. That is how society corrects itself. By "deviant," I mean all behavior that is different from the typical behavior of the majority of society. I have still never heard a valid argument why we should legitimize homosexual behavior by changing the law, but not other forms of sexual deviancy.

I do not believe homosexuality is a mental disorder. Like I said before, there is no proven biological difference between heterosexuals and homosexuals. This leaves either a social construct or a personal choice. Calling it a "mental disorder" is nothing but a psychological crutch to say "it's not your fault... you didn't choose to be this way." Besides, no medicine can cure a choice of lifestyle.

Again, homosexuals are not the only group to have faced persecution. Christians have faced death, slavery, torture and banishment for at least two thousand years now. These things are still going on in the Middle East, Africa, and China. By bringing up Iran, it seems you think I approve of Iran's Hitler? You accuse all people who disagree with you of "hate" and seem to think that we want to "impose our beliefs" upon you, like some sort of sharia law. Couldn't this be called "demonization" or "marginalization?"

anominus
You tried to plaster sophist postings here, but seriously: you are beyond ignorant. I mean, you have NO CLUE what you're talking about.

First of all, do you know what sexual orientation means? Apparently NOT.
Orientation is not a lifestyle. Unless you want to define heterosexuality as a lifestyle too.
Or asexuality, or bisexuality. These are orientations.

NO ONE, that is NO ONE chooses their orientation. Heterosexuality is merely more common, but is by no means an indicator of character or virtue, the others are no indication of lack of virtue. Sexual orientation is morally neutral.
ALL orientations are factored by mitigating circumstances, non of which are affected by ethnicity, language, culture, family structure or economic strata.
One's orientation doesn't affect intelligence, competence or character.

And you playing the victim card about Christians is almost laughable. That IS a lifestyle. It's an indoctrination forced on children from birth, and it's made conflicts all over the world that's murdered millions. And yet, you want favor for such a lifestyle choice?!

Mores the point, gender and orientation as strictly binary and only ONE orientation as normal is what's an artificial social construct. No such thing now or ever is natural.

Some communities wanted to constrain and isolate people according to gender and with no respect to individual qualities. Women and homosexual people are the most repressed and violated in the world. That's true. Not because they deserve it, but primitive people didn't understand what gender really means for mankind.

That you don't want to learn any more than a scared caveman shouldn't be anyone else's problem.


The militant homosexual queens.
du offers nothing here but homosexual militant talking points. Our sexuality is our choice. He chose his, now he campaigns to make you accept it. Andrew Tallman has a nice column on this very subject that du posted on. If you read it and the posts by du, you will realize what a fraud these people are.

Disagree with du, LovelsEqual, Will, MikeR, Alpha Omega, MellorSJ2, 7 sticks and the others, and you will be treated to a circle of posters who will demean you personally.
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