And if you don’t show man as he is, you can’t show a world in which conservatism works. If society were perfectable, Marxism would be a great idea. It’s only because of human nature that we’ve developed the kinds of rules of economics and competing government powers that we have. And so you have to show that world and I think Batman exposed some of the complexities of being moral in an immoral world.

Jonathan Garthwaite: What about Oliver Stone’s new “W” film. Don’t movie makers need to consider the impact that their fiction has on and their understanding of history?

Andrew Klavan: My objection to Hollywood is not the movies that it makes, it doesn’t matter to me that Oliver Stone is working in Hollywood. He’s a beat-up guy who intends to make movies about the inside of his imagination rather than the world. But then the New York Times tends to report on the inside of its imaginations. It’s not the movies that get made, it’s the movies that don’t get made. It’s the movies in which the democratic politician is the bad guy, it’s the movies in which the liberal idea fails. It’s true in novels, too, by the way. It’s true in the publishing world, too. It’s not a question of silencing them or taking away from them the sole right to determine what works of art are important, which ones get made. We have to stop being the complaining guys if we’re just being critical. We have to start being the creative people and making the works that people go to see.

Jonathan Garthwaite: Your latest book just came out?

Andrew Klavan: It’s a thriller in which the bias of the media is like a character. It’s a story about a conservative Christian guy from the Midwest who has to return to the scenes of his kind of degraded past in New York. And while he is looking for the same girl there, he begins to unravel an Islamofascist conspiracy. And the problem is that he’s so surrounded, gets so sunk in the bias of media that he begins to doubt his own sanity, so it becomes a race against time about where he’s trying to unravel this conspiracy. At the same time, he’s kind of delving into his troubled past and troubled mind to test his sanity, to see if he’s going nuts.

Jonathan Garthwaite: Any chance we’ll see it in the theaters in the next few years?

When it came out and people asked me if it was going to be a movie, my immediate reply was “Not in the universe.” It’s a very openly right-wing book. It’s a book about being a conservative in a world of un. I’d be shocked if it sold.

Jonathan Garthwaite: It’s okay to have 13 movies that are anti-war on terror in one year but you can’t have one?

Andrew Klavan: Not one, you just have to look at the risk. And the fact that it openly talks about Islamofascism as a bad thing and calls it by name, all those things count against it.

Jonathan Garthwaite: Thanks for joining us Andrew.