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Saturday, August 18, 2007

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Campaign '08: Next Stop, Texas

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Will the Dems' health care Christmas Present to America be an improvement or detriment to our health care system?

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We'll have to wait and see

Following Mitt Romney's decisive victory and Mike Huckabee's surprise second place finish at the Iowa Straw Poll, the campaigns must quickly turn their attention to the next pre-primary season challenge - the Townhall.com Texas Republican Straw Poll.

On a hot Iowa Saturday, thousands of Mitt Romney supporters delivered 31% of the Iowa Straw Poll votes and a clear victory. It was a test of his campaign's ability to organize in the first in the nation caucus state and he passed with flying colors.

Gov. Mike Huckabee wowed the audience and came in a surprising second place with 18% of the votes, beating Senator Brownback who heavily outspent him in his get out the vote efforts.

Full Iowa Results:

Mitt Romney (31.0%)
Mike Huckabee (18.1%)
Sam Brownback (15.3%)
Tom Tancredo (13.7%)
Ron Paul with (9.1%)
Tommy Thompson (7.3%)
Fred Thompson (1.6%)
Rudy Giuliani (1.3%)
Duncan Hunter (1.2%)
John McCain (0.7%)
John Cox (0.3%)

Romney's victory is certainly a victory and a testament to his campaign's organization and demonstrated the value of what campaign cash and repeated visits to the state can accomplish.

Now the campaigns move to their next battle - Texas.

Presidential politics promises to heat up in the Lone Star state over Labor Day as the Republican Party of Texas hosts the first ever "Townhall.com Presidential Straw Poll" in conjunction with exclusive media partner Salem Communications.

Second only to California, Texas holds thirty-four sought after electoral votes and no Republican candidate for president can win without the Lone Star state on his side of the ledger.

Thousands of Texas GOPers will convene on the 31st to give a signal of where their support will go come time for the Texas state primary in 2008.

As the only other state straw poll planned for the presidential race - the Townhall.com Presidential Straw Poll is a significant grassroots proving ground for presidential hopefuls in one of the most hotly contested campaigns in recent history.

And Townhall.com will be there.

As exclusive media partner for the event, Salem Communications will provide a local and national platform for the presidential straw poll through Dallas/Ft. Worth's News Talk 660AM K-SKY, Salem Radio Network, and the largest online community for conservative opinion and analysis, Townhall.com, which reaches over 2 million conservatives.

We'll have webcasts of candidate speeches, live blogging, straw poll dispatches and other event highlights. In addition, Hugh Hewitt will host Salem Radio Network's nationally syndicated Hugh Hewitt Show on Friday at the Convention Center.

With states playing leap frog on the primary calendar, it's looking like the first official votes for the Republican nomination will comes as early as the first week of January - some even speculating that we could see a mid-December Iowa caucus if reasonable heads don't prevail.

That leaves barely four months before Republican must make up their minds are start casting real votes. With several debates under their belts and with eight candidates still claiming to be credible, it's time for the field to get serious.

And that begins in Texas.

The Townhall.com-Texas Republican Straw Poll is the last chance for second and third tier candidates to make the case that Republicans should still be giving them a look and it's time for top candidates to prove they deserve the attention.

Can Romney ride the wave of his Iowa Straw Poll success to victory in Texas?

Can Huckabee improve on his Iowa surprise in Texas - A state much closer to home?

What about Giuliani? Can he win a vote in an electoral vote rich state?

And what about the candidate who isn't a candidate yet - Fred Thompson? Will he get in the game before the clock runs out?

We'll find out in two weeks.

See you in Texas.

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Paul Floyd Location: WA

Reply # 1
Date: Aug 23, 2007 - 1:05 PM EST

re: anne

"paulettes" "freedom fries" "cut and run" "flip flopper" = I have nothing substantial or true to say, so I'll just use stupid neocon buzzwords.

Thompsonettes, Gullianettes, Romnettes... I know, it looks totally moronic doesn't it?

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Richard Location: CA

Reply # 2
Date: Aug 22, 2007 - 6:53 PM EST

Marijuana

Of course Ron Paul wants to de-illegalize Marijuana, just like tobacco, a much more dangerous substance, is not illegal.

The reason Marijuana is illegal is because the cotton industry doesn't want competition from the superior fabric known as hemp.

Legalize marijuana and people who are stupid enough to smoke it won't have to become criminals to afford it, and we won't have to pay for overcrowded jails filled with people who are doing nothing different than smoking cigarettes.

Plus, the incentive for most criminal illegals to come here will be removed.

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Reply # 3
Date: Aug 21, 2007 - 4:51 PM EST

Lt. Taylor and Anne

This is for you.

COMBAT VETS SUPPORT RON PAUL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPmgQ_-ISuM&eurl=

Note: You can click on "more" to the right of the video and see the following.

"My name is SGT Kyle Sanders. I endorse, support and believe in Ron Paul and his message. I encourage other service members to voice their support as well. We swore an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies. It is our duty as armed service members to keep that oath.

Ron Paul is succeeding because he tells the truth, even when people don't want to hear it. He leads an exemplary life of humility and hard work. He is consistent and very bright. He solves problems by learning about their origin, which usually are found to contradict the Constitution and by providing a solution which always obeys or legally amends it.

Ron Paul is from a strong community of devoted families who care for each other and understand what it takes to keep that community strong: volunteerism combined with free markets in a moral society where people respect each others' privacy and diversity without subsidizing it.

Veterans! Let your voice be heard. If you believe in Ron Paul's message, share your thoughts and ideas on Youtube. Help build the momentum of his campaign. The public respects the opinions of service members, especially when they are reasonable and in defense of civil liberty.

One voice can spread hope. A few voices lead to confidence. Many voices lead to action. Action leads to change.

SHARE YOUR VOICE. BE COURAGEOUS. DO IT WITH INTEGRITY"

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Reply # 4
Date: Aug 21, 2007 - 8:37 AM EST

DodgerHawk

FACT: The Republican Party has shrunk greatly. A large number of traditional conservatives have left the party and have largely become Independents or members of the Constitution Party.

FACT: No one is going to cross the aisle to vote for a Republican who is a warmonger, who is willing to break the Christian Doctrine of Just War and pre-emptively nuke a country that has not attacked us, nor poses an imminent threat. Nor, will they vote for any guantanamo-doubling, habeas corpus stealing, illegal wiretapping, Constitution-burning, BIG government totalitarian.

And neither will I.

THOSE ARE THE FACTS. Ignore them, and you will end up with Hillary or Obama.

If Republicans want to win in November of 2008, they must nominate Ron Paul.

If they nominate anyone else, they will assuredly lose.

The Reagan coalition has turned into the Ron Paul Revolution.

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Reply # 5
Date: Aug 21, 2007 - 8:28 AM EST

CLIFF’S NOTES FOR RUDY - pt. 3

"The suicidal assassins of September 11, 2001 did not 'attack America,' as political leaders and news media in the United States have tried to maintain; they attacked American foreign policy. Employing the strategy of the weak, they killed innocent bystanders, whose innocence is, of course, no different from that of the civilians killed by American bombs in Iraq, Serbia, Afghanistan, and elsewhere."-- Chalmers Johnson, Blowback, page XV

"The term 'blowback,' which officials of the Central Intelligence Agency first invented for their own internal use, is starting to circulate among students of international relations. It refers to the unintended consequences of policies that were kept secret from the American people. What the daily press reports as the malign acts of 'terrorists' or 'drug lords' or 'rogue states' or 'illegal arms merchants' often turn out to be blowback from earlier American operations."-- Chalmers Johnson, Blowback, page 8

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Reply # 6
Date: Aug 21, 2007 - 8:27 AM EST

CLIFF’S NOTES FOR RUDY - pt. 2

"We assume, moreover, that bin Laden and the Islamists hate us for our liberty, freedoms, and democracy -- not because they and many millions of Muslims believe U.S. foreign policy is an attack on Islam or because the U.S. military now has a ten-year record of smashing people and things in the Islamic world."-- Michael Scheuer (former head the CIA's bin Laden unit), Imperial Hubris, page 165

"The U.S. invasion of Iraq is Osama bin Laden's gift from America, one he has long and ardently desired, but never realistically expected."-- Michael Scheuer (former head the CIA's bin Laden unit), Imperial Hubris, page 213

"Although suicide terrorism is virtually always a response to foreign occupation, only some occupations lead to this result. Suicide terrorism is most likely when the occupying power's religion differs from the religion of the occupied, for three reasons. A conflict across a religious divide increases fears that the enemy will seek to transform the occupied society; makes demonization, and therefore killing, of enemy civilians easier; and makes it easier to use one's own religion to relabel suicides that would otherwise be taboo as martyrdom instead."-- Robert A. Pape, Dying to Win, page 22

"An attempt to transform Muslim societies through regime change is likely to dramatically increase the threat we face. The root cause of suicide terrorism is foreign occupation and the threat that foreign military presence poses to the local community's way of life. ... Even if our intentions are good, anti-American terrorism would likely grow, and grow rapidly."-- Robert A. Pape, Dying to Win, page 245

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Reply # 7
Date: Aug 21, 2007 - 8:26 AM EST

CLIFF’S NOTES FOR RUDY

"His [bin Laden’s] rhetoric selectively draws from multiple sources -- Islam, history, and the region's political and economic malaise. He also stresses grievances against the United States widely shared in the Muslim world. He inveighed against the presence of U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia, the home of Islam's holiest sites. He spoke of the suffering of the Iraqi people as a result of sanctions imposed after the Gulf War..."-- 9/11 Commission Report, pages 48-49

"There are a lot of things that are different now [after the invasion of Iraq], and one that has gone by almost unnoticed -- but it's huge -- is that by complete mutual agreement between the US and the Saudi government we can now remove almost all of our forces from Saudi Arabia. Their presence there over the last 12 years has been a source of enormous difficulty for a friendly government. It's been a huge recruiting device for al-Qaeda. In fact if you look at bin Laden, one of his principle grievances was the presence of so- called crusader forces on the holy land, Mecca and Medina. I think just lifting that burden from the Saudis is itself going to open the door to other positive things."-- Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, Vanity Fair, May 2003

"One of the greatest dangers for Americans in deciding how to confront the Islamist threat lies in continuing to believe -- at the urging of senior U.S. leaders -- that Muslims hate and attack us for what we are and think, rather than for what we do. The Islamic world is not so offended by our democratic system of politics, guarantees of personal rights and civil liberties, and separation of church and state that it is willing to wage war against overwhelming odds in order to stop Americans from voting, speaking freely, and praying, or not, as they wish."-- Michael Scheuer (former head the CIA's bin Laden unit), Imperial Hubris, page 8

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Reply # 8
Date: Aug 21, 2007 - 8:16 AM EST

typo

since --> sense

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Reply # 9
Date: Aug 21, 2007 - 8:15 AM EST

Jeff, CharlieS, et al.-- pt. 2

Note: Lt. Taylor, if you were as intelligent as you say, you would know that Dr. Paul did not blame Americans for 9-11. He blamed our foreign policy over the last 50 years of inciting hatred towards America. Perhaps you should use that "intelligence" of yours to read a book, or even consult CIA Intelligence. What he said came directly out of the 911 Commission Report, CIA Intelligence Reports, the mouths of numerous foreign policy experts, the Chief of the CIA's bin Laden Unit and even Paul Wolfowitz.

Would you have preferred that he lie to you, just like the other politicians? He told us the truth and apparently you don't like it, so you want to shoot the messenger. Interesting.

The reality is that what we do has consequences. Isn't that what we teach our children? NOTHING excuses what the terrorists did, but to be able to defeat them, don't you think we should know what motivates them?

Dr. Paul is actually one of your strongest advocates. But, you see, he doesn't believe you should be sent to fight and die for a cause that has absolutely nothing to do with our national security. So, here we sit in Iraq, while bin Laden is holed up in Pakistan and has rebuilt. This makes since to you, Lieutenant?

Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism
http://www.amazon.com/Dying-Win-Strategic-Suicide-Terrorism/dp/1400063175

Blowback: The Costs and Consequences of American Empire
http://www.amazon.com/Blowback-Consequences-American-Empire-Second/dp/0805075593

Imperial Hubris: Why the West is Losing the War on Terror
http://www.amazon.com/Imperial-Hubris-West-Losing-Terror/dp/1574888625

The 9/11 Commission Report: Final Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States
http://www.amazon.com/Commission-Report-Terrorist-Hardcover-Authorized/dp/0393060411

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Reply # 10
Date: Aug 21, 2007 - 8:11 AM EST

Jeff, CharlieS, et al.

Anne lied and said Dr. Paul did not in fact receive the most contributions from active military and veterans. I showed her the proof that in fact he did. I also showed you. I will repeat again.... you may very well not like the facts, but those are the facts, nonetheless.

Even FOX news carried it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nwZGRrqhfs
Here's another source of the story:
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/articles/ron-paul-best-q2-fundraising-from-soldiers.html
And another:
http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/pauls-active-service-member-donations-get-noticed-2007-08-03.html

All we have from you is hearsay about some supposed "poll" you took.

I really don't want to fight with you, Lieutenant. Because you are active duty and I appreciate your service. But, I cannot allow you to speak untruths about a man I admire, Dr. Ron Paul.

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DodgerHawk Location: KS

Reply # 11
Date: Aug 21, 2007 - 1:03 AM EST

Democreeps Want Paul as GOP Nominee

The two Republican candidates the Democreeps would most like to face in the 2008 Presidential election are Wrong Paul and Rudolph Giuliani--for different reasons.

The Democreeps would welcome a matchup against Giuliani because they think it would be a contest they can win by default. Since Giuliani is a social leftist whose views on abortion and homosexual marriage put him at odds with the Republicans' social conservative base, the Democreeps think that if the GOP nominates Giuliani (which is not nearly as inevitable as the pundits would have us all believe), the social conservatives will either stay home and sulk on election day or waste their votes on Joe Oliva or some other independent candidate who doesn't stand a snowball's chance in Ecuador of winning, either of which would hand the Democreeps the keys to the White House.

But as much as the Democreeps would like a matchup against Giuliani, they'd be absolutely licking their chops at the prospect of opposing Wrong Paul. Take one look at him, listen to him talk, and you'll understand why. Wrong Paul is about as presidential as Wally Cox. He has all the charisma of a salamander, and he inspires about as much confidence as a 150-pound bag of sand.

Seriously, David Letterman, Jay Leno, Conan O'Brien, Jimmy Kimmel and Jon Stewart would all have a field day with this guy. The ridicule and scorn those jerks would heap on him would make what Dan Quayle went through look like a picnic.

If you want to make a laughingstock of the Republican Party, Wrong Paul is exactly the man to nominate. If you're going to try to win a presidential election with him, forget it. He'd be lucky to get five percent of the popular vote.

We can do better than this, people.

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RememberRonaldReagan Location: TX

Reply # 12
Date: Aug 20, 2007 - 11:38 PM EST

How about we talk about the subject

OF THE ARTICLE THAT WAS WRITTEN? It seems to me that this Paulista Hijack is a tactic used by the Ron Paul brigade to divert the attention of the article, masturefully I might add, away from what it was about and on to Ron Paul. That's just what they do.

SO, Getting to the actual SUBJECT of this Article, Please, if you are in Texas, A) Will you be going to the Townhall.com Straw Poll and B) who will you be voting for?

ME: I am from Plano, TX and will be voting for Mike Huckabee.

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Brasil Branco Location: MD

Reply # 13
Date: Aug 20, 2007 - 2:33 PM EST

Not the Man

Anne- you might be entirely correct- Ron Paul may not be able to win, but in the end- the one thing he's trying to stress is that it's not the man, it's the message he's relaying.

So, when you say "It doesn't matter, he can't win"- it does matter, because that's the one thing Paulites want to get across, his message. And they take it under their skin when someone makes that statement in an attempt to debunk everything he stands for.

I have my quarrels with some of Ron's stances, but in the scope of things, it doesn't matter because you have quarrels with his stances because he's actually honest about them, he gives a straight answer regardless if it affects his popularity or not. No other canidate does this, because they're mostly career politicians.

So, please- understand that even if you believe he can't win, his views should be considered, because they are based on reason. There's a reason so many college economists support Ron Paul (Want someone to up the economy? He's probally the best canidate to do it) Did you hear Ron Paul talking about the subprime mortgage problem? You won't find a politician in hell who would give an answer like that.

Let's all be reasonable here. Remember, "Discussion is an exchange of knowledge; argument an exchange of ignorance." - Robert Quillen

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judgedredd1 Location: MA

Reply # 14
Date: Aug 20, 2007 - 1:17 PM EST

Anne, Lt Taylor and An Army Vet

I'm still waiting.

I produced facts to back up my claim, that Ron Paul recieves more donations from the military than any other candidate.
Where are your facts to dispute it. Where are your facts to back up what you say. Besides, just offering heresay and personal attacks, all your words are hollow and based on a hatred of truth.
Simply just show me where the info came from, besides heresay and as I have said before, I look forward to seeing it.
If my information is wrong, then simply show me, with fact.
The only way for me to determine which republican candidate to vote for, is to see facts and not heresay. If your problem is with Ron Paul, then with fact convince me to not vote for him. But personal attacks is not helpful. "Show me the money" so to speak and don't tell me you do not have the time right now and then keep posting.
"An Army Vet", who knows so much about "Lt Taylor", where he is in the world, where he is stationed, right down to the city, what his beliefs are, refering to posts that he has made in other venues etc..seems to be just a little suspicious and perhaps, you both are the same person. Hey for all I know, Anne, Lt Taylor and An Army vet, are all the same person. Their posts are so in sink, it makes me wonder hmmm. All three base their statements on each others posts of heresay and then claim it is fact, by refering to one another. Each one offers nothing of any factual information, that can be verified and all three have the method of personal attacks, to substantiate their heresay statements, claiming it to be truth, when in fact there is no bases to their claims and evidence proves time and time again, that they are wrong. Are you guys, Bill O'Rielly?

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Joe Oliva Location: NY

Reply # 15
Date: Aug 20, 2007 - 12:16 PM EST

Onward toward another elite!

That is what is being promoted here on TH. Another election, another chance to vote for the lesser of two evils; and in the end, more big government, less personal freedom, and more influence to the internationalists who hate America.

If you want to stop the politiicans from pursuing their agenda to bring America into line with the rest of the world, you must change how you think!! If you give them the Presidency one more time, it will utterly convince them that they are right in what they are doing to our nation, and the march towards the new world order will continue unabated. Don't thinks so? Then post here and explain how another Dem/GOP/MSM elite candidate will change the course we are now on. No one has been able to do that yet after following this site for months.

If you want to restore the Constitution, rule of law, and will of the people as the principles by which we govern ourselves as free men and women, and if you want to opt out of the one world government plan of the elites, then you must act differently. Doing the same thing, voting for the same people, will never, ever, produce a different result. It never has and never will, it is just insanity in action!

I urge you to visit my website, JOEOLIVAFORPRESIDENT.ORG, and see exactly how we can restore those principles and reclaim our birthright. There is a choice, we are not limited in our options. The Dem/GOP/MSM propaganda machines want you to believe that only "they" can govern, only "they" have wisdom and experience. Do you accept that because "they" say so?

Check out the website, you have nothing to lose and much to gain. The elites have already stolen our inheritance, let's take it back. Thanks, Joe

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Liberty Location: OK

Reply # 16
Date: Aug 20, 2007 - 11:52 AM EST

Chopper John

Okay. :-)

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Reply # 17
Date: Aug 20, 2007 - 11:47 AM EST

wiseone

"Ron Paul's vision of foreign/military policy combined with a hands off attitude (ideological unilateral pure free trade) is de facto isolationism because that is the only way it works, and the 'model' under which he sells it. We cannot import 2/3 of our oil and remain 'disinvolved' with other nations. And nearly all wars have evolved out of economic disputes."

LOL. What you said makes no sense at all. Let's look at what you're saying. You imply that freely talking and trading with other nations is isolationism??? That instead of doing that, you prefer an interventionist policy of having our military in the countries we are trading with, *just in case* they step out-of-line. Apparently, your belief is that the free market does not work and we need military force to conduct trade. Interesting perspective, indeed. But, this certainly is not the American way. Our country was based upon free enterprise capitalism. Have we given up on that? Do we now believe that big government force is the only way to do things?

Why is it that you have a hard time believing that countries who have oil, would be unwilling to SELL it to other countries who want to BUY it? It's called the free market. Think about it. With respect to the Middle East, oil is just about their sole revenue generator. Are you honestly going to sit there and tell me that they would all of a sudden stop selling it? Think about what you're saying, man.

You seem to believe that instead of letting free market capitalism work, we need to have a military force in those countries to FORCE them to allow us to pay them money in return for their oil.

Is this what our country now stands for? If so, my how we have slipped. It sounds much more like something I would hear coming out of the mouth of a Communist, not an American. This certainly is the very opposite of FREE markets, or capitalism, for that matter.

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Chopper John Location: FL

Reply # 18
Date: Aug 20, 2007 - 11:32 AM EST

OK. That does it!

Douglas has assigned me as moderator (temporary) and I respectfully suggest we go to another semi-subject instead of mil donations. There's too much meanness going on out there.

How'd I do?

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Liberty Location: OK

Reply # 19
Date: Aug 20, 2007 - 11:11 AM EST

Lt. Taylor and Annie

Here are a couple of additional sources for you, in addition to the YouTube of the FOX News report about Congressman Paul receiving more donations from the military than any other candidate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nwZGRrqhfs

"Paul’s active service member donations get noticed"
http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/pauls-active-service-member-donations-get-noticed-2007-08-03.html

"The breakdown of military spending on the election."
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/articles/ron-paul-best-q2-fundraising-from-soldiers.html

Now, Lieutenant, I understand you may not like it, but those are the facts. Thank you for your service, by the way. Come home safely.
Regards.

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Reply # 20
Date: Aug 20, 2007 - 11:03 AM EST

Lt. Taylor -- Military donations

"I've checked it out for myself, both on your phony "Spin Factor" Bill O'Reilly ripoff website, and by talking to my fellow Marines and Soldiers here in Iraq, and from other sources that I don't have time to link to from here.

It's truly amazing that your "Spin Factor" site has almost the identical info that most PRO Ron Paul websites do, but other Conservative and Republican websites have never seen, anywhere."

No one is spinning anything, Lieutenant. The numbers were taken directly from the FEC (Federal Election Commission) website. You can go there and add them up yourself, if you want. FOX news also carried the story. I've posted the link at least twice in this thread. Various mainstream newspapers carried the story too.

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Reply # 21
Date: Aug 20, 2007 - 10:56 AM EST

For Anne:

Military donations
The breakdown? Here you go.

Army Navy USAF USMC VET TOTAL
Ron Paul 6975 7765 4650 1500 1250 22140
McCain 6225 6480 1570 1600 800 16675
Romney 2051 0 1500 0 1000 4551
Giuliani 1450 370 250 0 250 2320
Hunter 0 1000 0 0 0 1000
Richardson 50 750 0 0 0 800
Huckabee 250 0 500 0 0 750
Tancredo 350 0 0 0 0 350
Brownback 71 0 0 0 0 71
T. Thompson 0 0 0 0 0

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Reply # 22
Date: Aug 20, 2007 - 10:55 AM EST

Annie

"Oh and Liberty, I await your apology

for calling me a liar. And of course, I'll accept your apology..... :-)"

You *are* a liar, Anne. And I have shown you the proof. Do I need to repost it for you here. Oh, ok, I will, since you insist. All you've done is post ONE little letter from one supposed soldier.

Even FOX news carried it, Anne. Of course, they did their darnedest to spin it. Here ya go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nwZGRrqhfs

Here's another source of the story:
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/articles/ron-paul-best-q2-fundraising-from-soldiers.html

Or, you can go add up the numbers yourself on the Federal Election Commission's web site.

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Reply # 23
Date: Aug 20, 2007 - 10:51 AM EST

Anne

You still can't deal with the facts, can you? LOL.

Ron Paul received more donations from our military, than any other candidate.

Face it.

Cheers....

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Reply # 24
Date: Aug 20, 2007 - 10:49 AM EST

geologist mike

Ron Paul's district IS SOUTH TEXAS. If you don't think he has much support there, you are sadly mistaken.

Ron Paul for President '08 -- "HOPE FOR AMERICA"
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/
http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/index.php
http://www.ronpaulaudio.com/
http://www.ronpaulnation.com/tv.html
http://gunowners.org/pres08/paul.htm

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geologist mike Location: TX

Reply # 25
Date: Aug 20, 2007 - 10:02 AM EST

little support for Ron Paul in South Tex

My wife and I plan to participate in the Texas Straw Poll. The main requirment for participation is to have been a delegate to one of the previous four Texas Republican State Conventions. I have found no support in my district (Corpus Christi) for Ron Paul. Most of the talk is for Fred Thompson, Rudy Giuliani, and Mike Huckabee. There are a few Ron Paul supporters out of district who email stuff to me and they will show up for the event. But most of his support has not been with Republican activists, but rather with Libertarians and they will not be eligible.

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Chopper John Location: FL

Reply # 26
Date: Aug 20, 2007 - 8:29 AM EST

WOW

Good morning all. Kinda surprised to see you're still at it. I authorize a break if you need it, coffee, pastries, etc.

Doug B., I'll be around a bit. Was there something you needed?

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Anne Location: VA

Reply # 27
Date: Aug 20, 2007 - 8:21 AM EST

RON PAUL IS DEAD LAST in Fallujah

Lt. Taylor's post on Star Paker's column

Lt. Taylor writes: Monday, August, 20, 2007 2:56 AM

Contrary to what some might claim
A lot of people that post on this site, RonniePaul freaks, are claiming that we in the military are supporting Ron Paul over all other candidates, especially with our wallets.

Well, I'm here to tell you that that just isn't so. Most of the people here that I talk to, roughly 2,000 Soldiers and Marines combined, are suppporting Fred Thompson over all others, even though he hasn't officially declared yet. Next is a pretty even tossup between Romney and Giuliani with Brownback, Tancredo, and Huckabee pretty close.

RON PAUL IS DEAD LAST!! On top of that if you ask people what they think of him the most common answer is either WHO? or Ron WHO??

I know this will disappoint those who want you to think we support Ron Paul, but the truth is the truth, and he's even more unpopular than John McCain, who rates just above a gutter slug named John Murtha in popularity here.

Lt. JT
Fallujah, Iraq

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Reply # 28
Date: Aug 20, 2007 - 7:41 AM EST

Oh and Liberty, I await your apology

for calling me a liar. And of course, I'll accept your apology..... :-)

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Reply # 29
Date: Aug 20, 2007 - 7:36 AM EST

Just in case Liberty or any of the

pauletts stop by again......

Be sure to read the post by
Lt. Taylor @4:06 AM who is in Fallujah NOW!

"It's truly amazing that your "Spin Factor" site has almost the identical info that most PRO Ron Paul websites do, but other Conservative and Republican websites have never seen, anywhere.

"The results are the same everywhere I look among websites I can trust, and your "Spin Factor" IS NOT one of them, RON PAUL is persona non grata with the majority of my fellow military personnel.ESPECIALLY after that little comment during the debates that 9-11 was our own fault. "

Hey Liberty, Lt. Taylor is one of the troops I got my information from regarding ronpaul's popularity.

Not only does ronniepaul have "0" popularity, he's persona non grata, and no contributions to speak of. :-)

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Reply # 30
Date: Aug 20, 2007 - 4:40 AM EST

Vet

Thanks for repeating my post, besides just thinking your a moron, I got to read that your a moron in print again. But according to you, I have a problem reading, but you know.....I think it says your a moron. Yup, that is what I wrote, "moron".

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Reply # 31
Date: Aug 20, 2007 - 4:25 AM EST

Vet

Your first statement said "Apparently judgedredd can't read".

I could care less what you have to say, after that. Only a moron would make an introduction like that.

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Reply # 32
Date: Aug 20, 2007 - 4:18 AM EST

Lt Taylor

The following says a lot.

"other sources that I don't have time to link to from here."

You know the old saying "show me the money" "put up or shut up" "I showed you mine, now show me yours"

Put your name on the info/link, backing what you say. I'll read it. Look foward to it.

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Reply # 33
Date: Aug 20, 2007 - 4:07 AM EST

What ever Vet

Thats the best you can do, to refute what Ive written. "Oh PLEASE!!"

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Reply # 34
Date: Aug 20, 2007 - 3:43 AM EST

Heres the break down.

Army Navy USAF USMC VET TOTAL
Ron Paul 6975 7765 4650 1500 1250 22140
McCain 6225 6480 1570 1600 800 16675
Romney 2051 0 1500 0 1000 4551
Giuliani 1450 370 250 0 250 2320
Hunter 0 1000 0 0 0 1000
Richardson 50 750 0 0 0 800
Huckabee 250 0 500 0 0 750
Tancredo 350 0 0 0 0 350
Brownback 71 0 0 0 0 71
T. Thompson 0 0 0 0 0

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Reply # 35
Date: Aug 20, 2007 - 3:37 AM EST

Lt Taylor

"Here is one place to read the statistics, which took me 5 seconds to find as well as tons of others sites giving the statistics, this just happens to be the first I picked, in my google search:

http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/07/17/ron-paul-leads-all-08-candidates-with-one-third-of-military-contributions-for-q2/

The information was compiled from none other than the Federal Elections Commission as reported by the various sites I looked at, in the Selected Presidential Reports For The 2007 July Quarterly."

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Reply # 36
Date: Aug 20, 2007 - 3:28 AM EST

Lt. Taylor

Lt. Taylor

Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying, Ron Paul recieves more money from our soldiers than any other candidate. Go check it out, for your self.

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Reply # 37
Date: Aug 20, 2007 - 1:58 AM EST

Check out the hurricane

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToQbeBC_fOI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShaapLjc09Y&mode=related&search=

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Reply # 38
Date: Aug 20, 2007 - 1:33 AM EST

Oops!

Ooops, it looks as though the neo cons have under estimated, the resolve of the American public. Liberty, I'm one such Reagan Republican you mentioned above, that actually has not voted for a republican in election after election, year after year. The main reason is because of where I live (Massachusetts) and the globalist candidates being offered in the republican party, both localy and nationaly. Now I am ready to support my first republican in years, Ron Paul and as the infamous Sean Hannity would say, a "great American".
Ron Paul is the only true republican, period.

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Reply # 39
Date: Aug 20, 2007 - 1:20 AM EST

Shrink

Both parties are now shrinking. That means more independents. It does not mean more libertarians. In many polls the gap between reg Rep and re Dems is also shrinking.

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Reply # 40
Date: Aug 20, 2007 - 12:30 AM EST

wally

FACT: The Republican Party has shrunk greatly. A large number of traditional conservatives have left the party and have largely become Independents or members of the Constitution Party.

FACT: No one is going to cross the aisle to vote for a Republican who is a warmonger, who is willing to break the Christian Doctrine of Just War and pre-emptively nuke a country that has not attacked us, nor poses an imminent threat. Nor, will they vote for any guantanamo-doubling, habeas corpus stealing, illegal wiretapping, Constitution-burning, BIG government totalitarian.

And neither will I.

THOSE ARE THE FACTS. Ignore them, and you will end up with Hillary or Obama.

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Reply # 41
Date: Aug 20, 2007 - 12:24 AM EST

wally

Well, I'm a Reaganite too, wally and I'm here to tell you that President Reagan would throw up on all the Republican candidates besides Dr. Paul, who was his friend, Tom Tancredo and possibly, Duncan Hunter. All the others are Democrats in disguise.

If you really are a traditional conservative, then you should like Congressman Paul. Because EVERY SINGLE ONE of his stances match the principles of traditional conservatism.

- limited constitutional government
- personal privacy
- personal responsibility
- strong national defense
- fiscally responsible government
- individual liberty

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Reply # 42
Date: Aug 20, 2007 - 12:20 AM EST

Hector Berlioz

Why not, Hector? Is someone more "presidential" if they want to throw the Christian doctrine of Just War out the window and PRE-EMPTIVELY NUKE a country who has not attacked us, nor poses an imminent threat? Is that what Republicans believe now? Well, you've got plenty to chose from.

At the same time, you can kiss our Constitution, our few remaining civil liberties and our sovereignty as a nation, goodbye.

Congressman Paul is not a screamer. But, he is the most knowledgeable and principled man in Washington, DC. Bar none! Our country is getting close to an economic collapse. Our dollar is very close to crashing. Do you realize that? Dr. Paul is the ranking member of the House Banking Cmte. He is also versed in Austrian economics. He is the ONLY candidate who can turn this around.

I'm sorry. You guys are more than frustrating. You seem more interested in voting for who has the best hair, the deepest voice, or who can threaten to blow up the most women and children. That isn't being a Republican, at all. At least it didn't use to be.

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Reply # 43
Date: Aug 20, 2007 - 12:18 AM EST

Liberty

"Congressman Paul is the ONLY Republican who can beat the Democrats. Do you understand that the Republican Party has shrunk greatly? A large number of the traditional conservatives have left the party,"

WHAT A LOAD OF BULL____ THAT IS!!!!

I am a traditional conservative and a "Reaganite". Ron Paul would be my absolute LAST CHOICE before Hillary or Obama.

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Reply # 44
Date: Aug 20, 2007 - 12:09 AM EST

RememberRonaldReagan

The "cocoa puff parade", eh? I guess that goes to show what you think of the Constitution, eh?

I'm still amazed that you have the nerve to use President Reagan's name as your screen name, when you display a complete lack of knowledge of his principles.

You badly need to listen to "the speech".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s06YhQyv3w

By the way, "the cocoa puff parade", as you so eloquently put it, CAN AND WILL VOTE, bubba.

I'll leave you with a quote... I know you'll love it.

"If the framers of the Constitution were somehow to come back, Ron Paul is one of possibly only three people in Congress that they'd even talk to," said Mr. Williams, adding that most politicians have a "generalized contempt" for the values of the Constitution. – Walter Williams

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Reply # 45
Date: Aug 20, 2007 - 12:02 AM EST

wally

"How did this thread become about Ron Paul anyway? Come nomination time, he will be a non- issue and even if he were nominated his chance of winning next Nov. would still be zero"

I beg to differ with you. Congressman Paul is the ONLY Republican who can beat the Democrats. Do you understand that the Republican Party has shrunk greatly? A large number of the traditional conservatives have left the party, because the party left them. Many have come back for one reason and one reason only, to vote for Ron Paul. They know that they have a hope to regain what was once the Party of Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan, but is presently nothing more than a socialist, big government, cesspool.

Think about it... do you honestly believe anyone but other big government neoconservatives are going to vote for someone who wants to "double guantanamo", or believes stripping American citizens of habeas corpus is alright, or how about illegally surveilling innocent American citizens? Dream on!

So, you'd better hope that Dr. Paul gets the nomination, because he is the only prayer that we have of winning the election. Only he can unite Americans across the political spectrum. "The Freedom message does not divide us, it unites us" - Congressman Ron Paul

If Republicans want to win in November of 2008, they must nominate Ron Paul.

If they nominate anyone else, they will assuredly lose.

The Reagan coalition has turned into the Ron Paul Revolution.

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Reply # 46
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 11:50 PM EST

Who made it about Ron Paul

the Ron Paul Cocoa Puff Parade, that's who. that's all they do, I am sure their taking over blogs about Sports too. That's what they are, and it's laughable.

Huckabee is not a "politician born and bred." That's so stupid. It just a sign of ignorance on onceamarine's part. But there is a lot of ignorance on this post anyhow.

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Reply # 47
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 10:35 PM EST

Joe_sixpack

You are not going to lump Paul, Huck and Hunter into one pack are you.??.

The three are as different as, well as they could be. Hunter is nothing like the other two and neither is Huck anything like the other two which leaves Paul, who is nothing like the other two.

Weird, what a combination you picked.

Hunter is a military patriot with no ties to Huck who is a politician born and bred. Paul is a whole different kind than either of the first two.

Support anyone you wish, but don't confuse who is who and what is what.

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Reply # 48
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 10:33 PM EST

Ron Paul may be a good guy!!!

SO WHAT???????

I'm a good guy too, and I have just as much chance of being elected president as Ron Paul does!! ZERO ZILCH NADA

How did this thread become about Ron Paul anyway? Come nomination time, he will be a non- issue and even if he were nominated his chance of winning next Nov. would still be zero

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Reply # 49
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 10:28 PM EST

Anne

You definitely got dunked by the RP's tonight. Looked like a Paul bake off here. Sometimes it's better to just shut the door and tell the Jehovah's Witnesses to go next door.

Or as my dad did once when they showed up on Sunday morning, he turned to me and said, son, go get my shotgun. Before I figured out he was putting on they had left and were gone.

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Reply # 50
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 9:09 PM EST

Liberty

et al, all I can say is what you folks are saying is true. And very important. But I see the majority, if not all, of the TH posting crew have their heads up their a*ses. If they'd pull them out, they might actually learn something about being manipulated for so long by the globalists in charge of the GOP.

But they don't, so they won't, and they'll just go on being manipulated by the NeoConCinos who are currently running (and ruining) the Republican Party.

That Anne gal is especially naive, and she's a prime example of not too bright people buying the spin of the elite, and loving it. Leave my party now, please.

Paul or Huck or Hunter are the only real conservatives running on our side. If you vote for Rudy or Mitt or Fred, you're dooming the Republican Party as a vehicle for conservatism not only for the near future, but for eternity.

And if that happens, may you roast in hell for ruining my party.

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Reply # 51
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 8:13 PM EST

Night Anne

Good night Anne, there is no need to resort to insults.

For the record, I'm a Brazilian citizen abroad supporting Ron Paul, and there are many international groups supporting him as well- I don't think the same can be said about other Republican canidates.

It's not everyday you find a politician who is both honest and intellegent- I wouldn't squander this opportunity.

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Reply # 52
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 8:12 PM EST

Anne

Are you ready to retract your first err... misstatement of fact in this thread? You know, where you disputed the FACT that Dr. Paul received more donations from the military than any other candidate.

Seems to me that the very least you could do is apologize for being caught in the bold-faced lie you told.

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Reply # 53
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 8:10 PM EST

portlandmom-- pt 2

Iraq was a mistake from the very beginning. If you've made a mistake, do you keep on the same course, because you're too stubborn to admit it? Or, do you change course? I vote for the latter. What is needed in Iraq at this point are policemen, not our brave military. They weren't trained to be policemen. I don't know about you, but I don't want to risk one more American life in this quagmire. It's time to come home.

Again, the people who attacked us are in PAKISTAN.

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Reply # 54
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 8:09 PM EST

portlandmom-- pt 1

"And an ostrich with his head in the sand about the WOT and radical Islam"

Hhhmmm.... The War on Terror. Ever think about that phrase? How does one fight a war on a tactic? I mean, seriously.

Once again, Dr. Paul did not merely dream up what he told us in the debates. He is on the House Cmte. of Foreign Affairs and actually reads CIA Intelligence and takes what foreign policy experts say, under consideration. He also read the 9-11 Commission report. All things that Rudy apparently has not done.

I don't think there is anyone here who disputes the fact that there are some radical islamics that want to harm us. The question is how best to defeat them. To me, it made more sense to actually go where they were, rather than go where they were not (Iraq) and wait for them to come there to fight us. But, that's just me. The reality is that the people responsible for attacking us are in Pakistan, portlandmom. We allowed them to escape there, while we executed a plan to overthrow Iraq that existed long before 9-11. Can't you see that? Even VP Cheney said it was a mistake and outlined the very reasons why back in '94. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I
Amazing, isn't it? Those very things he outlined would happen if we overthrew Saddam, we're dealing with now. So, why did we do it? Saddam had nothing to do with 9-11 and was a sworn enemy of Al Qaeda.

Dr. Paul wants to go after bin laden in Pakistan. He also wants us to actually provide for our own national defense for a change. Instead of building walls in Iraq, how about we build a fence in our own country? How about securing our ports? How about leaving our Border Patrol here, guarding our border, instead of shipping them off to Iraq?

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Reply # 55
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 8:08 PM EST

Anne

No need to be insulting, just because other republicans, believe in someone other than your candidate and are passionate about it. Geez, have a good night and God bless.

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Reply # 56
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 8:03 PM EST

Okay.. so here's the thing........

It's meaningless to have a discussion with monomaniacs...

But the pauletts would know that because you ARE the monomaniacs.

What a bunch of fools.

Bye! :-)

P.S. Be sure to come back when ronniepaul doesn't get the nominiation so we can all say, "I told you so....." Ha Ha Ha Ha

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Reply # 57
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 7:59 PM EST

Hector Berlioz

Hector, I respectfully dissagree, Ron Pauls is anything but ""can't-pin-me-down" kind of guy" and that is exactly why he is my man, a no nonsense always consistant record, never waivers, never flinches, 100% Constitutional voting record and to top it all off, he is a nice man, a man leaders around the world can respect. His record and life, speaks for itself.

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Reply # 58
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 7:52 PM EST

Judge...

In his own way, I like Ron Paul...but not as President. In his own way, he has a nice niche in Congress as "can't-pin-me-down" kind of guy, all of that safe...for the House, NOT the White House. Kinda like Tancredo, except the libertarian version.

P.s: I LIKE Tancredo!!! Don't get me wrong.

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Reply # 59
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 7:49 PM EST

portlandmom

"And an isolationist,
And an anti-interventionist"
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Oh geez. Again? Well, ok. Portlandmom, Dr. Paul is not an isolationist at all. Isolationists do not believe in free trade. Congressman Paul, on the other hand, is a non-interventionist. What that means, is that he believes we should follow the words of our Founders and not entwine our affairs with other nations, but to talk to them and trade freely with them. Our Founders warned us about entwining our affairs, because they knew from history, that it led to hard feelings and war. They also didn't believe in foreign aid and neither does Dr. Paul. If you doubt me, just go read Washington's Farewell Address. He was one of many who spoke about this same issue.
http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/facts/democrac/49.htm

What we have right now, portlandmom, is close to isolationism. Where once the U.S. was considered a beacon of liberty, it is not looked at as an oppressive regime, bent on empire-building. We hardly will even talk to anyone anymore. The respect for our country has gone into the toilet.

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Reply # 60
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 7:46 PM EST

Anne

ANNE said "Discussing ronpaul and the Republican nomination is like discussing or debating IF Santa Claus will show up on Christmas Eve!"

Can't we all just get along and face reallity, that Ron Paul is the next Republican Nominee and Christmas has come early as it did yesterday by Ron Paul taking 73% in NH a neighbor home state of Romneys. There is no excuse for Romney to have lost in NH. He should have won easily, but he did not and it says to the rest of the country, that the people have spoken loud and clear.

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Reply # 61
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 7:39 PM EST

~sigh~

You might as well join us Anne... We just one two more straw polls in Alabama and New Hampshire by landslides.

I know you're terrified of Al Qaeda, but if you believe any of your corporate candidates are going to do ANYTHING about them sneaking across the Mexican border with a nuke you're fooling yourself.

And when they do, I'm sure you'll just blame it on the Democrats.

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Reply # 62
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 7:37 PM EST

All

And when Anne has been totally refuted, she comes back with..... (wait for it).....

IT DOESN'T MATTER!!!!

;-)

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Reply # 63
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 7:36 PM EST

What did RP win?

How come Ron Paul's wins weren't flashed everywhere as news except on his website?

What kind of "New Hampshire" poll are we talking about here? Last I knew, Romeny and Gore were the leaders in NH...

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Reply # 64
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 7:35 PM EST

portlandmom

You are wrong on all counts.

Paul does not want the federal government involved in a LOT of things. The reason is the Constitution. Have you ever heard of States' rights? Well, you see, Dr. Paul does more than give lip service to it. If something is not a strictly enumerated power named in the Constitution, it is to be left to the States and the People, respectively. Or, don't you care about the original intent?

Paul is and always has been, PRO-LIFE. More than just give lip service to it, he wrote legislation to recognize that life begins at conception and to remove the federal government from the baby-killing business that they are currently in. This is the first step in getting Roe v. Wade overturned. In this legislation, you will notice that the federal government is prohibited from dictating to states. That is to stop the federal government from doing what we have now. Abortion on demand.

You seem to have a problem with the fact that he wants to send the decision down to the states, where it Constitutionally, belongs. What are you so scared of? Why do you believe that nothing can happen unless it is forced on us at the federal level by a bunch of bureaucratic elite?

If you believe in the Constitution and therefore in limited government, portlandmom, you can't just pick and choose which issue(s) you want to use big government to force upon everyone. Don't you see that? Because if you do, then we will also get things forced on us by the left, that we do not like.

Government largesse is never the answer. Our Founders had it right. Their intent was for the federal government to stay out of these affairs, leaving them to the states and to We the People, to decide.

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Reply # 65
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 7:33 PM EST

anna

"Discussing ronpaul and the Republican nomination is like discussing or debating IF Santa Claus will show up on Christmas Eve!

If you pauletts want to continue talking about it, go ahead... knock yourselves out....

I'm just not going to get into a stupid tirade about something that isn't going to happen!!!!

Have a blast, all! :-)"

Since you're not going to talk about Ron Paul, because he's not worth talking about, what post number is this of yours on the topic of Ron Paul? :)

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Reply # 66
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 7:33 PM EST

Before 2008, there are...

...the special elections to fill TWO vacancies in the U.S. House. Both seats are in Democrat districts, but conservatives should not be hopeless.

Keep up on all the details at a NEW blog authored by a young conservative:

THE 18th MEMO
http://memo18.blogspot.com/

See, most recently, a post describing the candidates and their chances for success in the vacant 37th district of California.

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Reply # 67
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 7:31 PM EST

kooks?

I still find it amazing that Ron paul is called a kook by supposed conservatives for believing that the federal government is too big.

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Reply # 68
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 7:28 PM EST

IT DOESN'T MATTER!!!!

Discussing ronpaul and the Republican nomination is like discussing or debating IF Santa Claus will show up on Christmas Eve!

If you pauletts want to continue talking about it, go ahead... knock yourselves out....

I'm just not going to get into a stupid tirade about something that isn't going to happen!!!!

Have a blast, all! :-)

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Reply # 69
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 7:17 PM EST

Portland

I didn't even know they had republicans in Portland.

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Reply # 70
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 7:10 PM EST

Ron Paul - Pro-choice

I don't care how many babies he delivered he does not believe the gov should be involved - hence he is PRO-CHOICE.

And an isolationist,

And an anti-interventionist,

And an ostrich with his head in the sand about the WOT and radical Islam,

And a nut job.

He's the only repub I could never vote for - thank heaven I'll never have to worry about that!

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Reply # 71
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 7:08 PM EST

Straw Polls

When Romney won the Iowa poll, it was the best thing since ice cream. Now that Ron Paul has blown him away in a Romney neighbor home state by 73 percent and Alabama by an equal percentage, the neo cons say straw polls don't matter. One straw poll at a time, one voter at a time, one state at a time and Ron Paul will be Presidentin 2008.

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Reply # 72
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 6:59 PM EST

Anne

pwned by JenniferR... no rebuttal but a lame dismissal.

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Reply # 73
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 6:57 PM EST

All I can say...

is that when the GOP Convenes and chooses someone, I'm hoping we won't be fussy about it and let the Dems have their day by staying home or voting for the "other guy". For now, however, I'm enjoying the bickering :D

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Reply # 74
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 6:54 PM EST

None of this matters?

Nice rebuttal :) So, you can post as much infactual material linking Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein, but when someone debunks it "it doesn't matter"?

Stop the mudslinging and try to support your statements

“Faith... Must be enforced by reason...When faith becomes blind it dies.” - Gandhi

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Reply # 75
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 6:48 PM EST

None of this matters... ronpaul is NOT

going to get the Republican nomination!!!!

Let it go, folks!

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Reply # 76
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 6:48 PM EST

JenniferR

JenniferR, great post. Sound in reason and history.

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Reply # 77
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 6:46 PM EST

SADDAM AND AL QAEDA

Saddam's regime was SECULAR

Al qaeda and saddam hated each other.

According to US Generals, 95% of Iraqui fighters are Iraquis..only 5% are "foreign" (if you can call fellow Arabs "foreigners"..

We were manipulated into this war ON A PACK OF LIES

Why arent any of you chicken hawks ENLISTING????

100 dead US troops per month while you cheerlead for the war....sickening

RON PAUL 2008

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Reply # 78
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 6:43 PM EST

RON PAUL is PRO-LIFE

Dr. Paul delivered 4000 babies. He recalls how as a resident he witnessed an abortion and was deeply troubled by it.

He has always been 100% pro-life wheras Fred Thompson lobbed for an abortion group..

Mitt Romney donated money to a pro-abortion group..

Rudy is married 3 times...pro abortion...

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Reply # 79
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 6:42 PM EST

Anne you ignorant fool

I am getting my arguments from reality and from research.

Here is one site: John O. Voll: Professor of Islamic history at Georgetown University http://www.nationalinterest.org/Article.aspx?id=13296

Here is another: ^ Al-Qaeda's origins and links. BBC (2004-07-20). Retrieved on 2007-05-08.

Here is the third: See PBS Frontline (2003), "The survival of Saddam: secrets of his life and leadership: interview with Saïd K. Aburish"

You are a silly child. Dismissing truth for no reason other than to throw a hissy fit and to try to attack a group of people.

I see this poor reasoning with most people who attack Ron Paul supporters. They know no facts at all, but for some visceral reason they attack the person speaking truth with vicious ad hominems because they have no truth or reality of their own with which to conduct a rational argument.

You are sounding shrill Anne. It is not flattering.

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Reply # 80
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 6:40 PM EST

PHONY FRED THOMPSON

Fred Thompson is NO conservative.

Fred was a DC lobbyist for 18 years. Corporate welfareist.

Fred supported McCain-Feingolds "campaign reform"..one of only 4 Republivcans to support this outrage

Fred is a member of the elitist Council on Foreign Relations..a NYC thinktank that openly supports open borders and foreign aid

Fred voted EVERY year to increase the national Debt limit

Fred has voted to give away 200 Billion in foreign aid during his Senate career

If you want a REAL conservative who has NEVER voted for a tax hike or an unbalanced budget...RON PAUL IS YOUR MAN

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Reply # 81
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 6:40 PM EST

RE: JenniferR: I don't know where you're

9/11 Comission Report, Former National Coordinator for Counterterrorism Richard Clarke, and Former director of the CIA George Tenet just to name a few.

All of them support Jennifer's statements.

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Reply # 82
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 6:33 PM EST

RON PAUL

Let me make this very clear. The USA is headed towards bankruptcy and economic collapse. 8 trillion in debt...50 trillioan in unfunded obligations.

Unless there is a dramatic dismantling of the WARFARE and WELFARE states...you will all soon be feeling serious pain.

Only one candidate has a plan to reduce the size of government by as much as 70% while ALL the others will EXPAND government..

RON PAUL! Please google this video clip: Ron Paul: Dreaming

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Reply # 83
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 6:30 PM EST

JenniferR: I don't know where you're

getting your information... other than the ronniepaul camp. Ugh!

Clearly you are one of those who have your head in the sand.... with a fixed false belief system that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact.

But, good luck to you anyway. :-)

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Reply # 84
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 6:29 PM EST

Re: Ron Paul on Trade

QUOTE: "We did not interfere with Castro when he overthrew Batista in Cuba. After he succeeded we left him on his own. Within four years he was allowing Russian missiles to be based there."

Are you kidding me? The United States led a vigirous crusade of state-sponsored terrorism against Cuba, it only really ceased due to the Cuban missle crisis.

Look up "Operation Mongoose". As for Saddam, we led sanctions against him after the first Gulf War which led to the death of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, mostly children.

As for "free trade of labour"- he argues that you cannot have it within a welfare state, you simply can't afford it.

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Reply # 85
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 6:26 PM EST

wiseone: Well said!

But the enitre discussion is ridiculous!

ronniepaul has "0" chance to getting the Republican nomination. I've said it before... "zero", "nought", "ziltch", "nada", "no way", "not gonna happen."

Was it you or inkling who said that you had a better chance of winning the lottery... good call. And I have a better chance of those trust funds coming through... ya know, those multi-million dollar trust funds... :-)

So, I say, let the pauletts rant and rave... No big deal.

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Reply # 86
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 6:26 PM EST

The truth

To Anne,
I don't mean to attack you personally, but your comments about 9/11 al qaeda are farther from the mark than your misspelling. Your knowledge of current events seems to be limited to the intentional misinformation implied by the neo-conservative movement. The information you spout has been debunked time and time again. Even the people who put out the lies about it have admitted it.

You clearly have missed the retraction.

Your attack on the rest of this forum for not being as ignorant as you, is impolite and makes you look quite foolish.

"A leading member of the revolutionary Ba'ath Party, which espoused secular pan-Arabism, economic modernization, and socialism, Saddam Hussein played a key role in the 1968 coup that brought the party to long-term power."

The emphasis in that sentence for you is the term secular.

"Al-Qaeda's objectives include the end of foreign influence in Muslim countries and the creation of a new Islamic caliphate."

"The caliphate is the only form of governance that has full approval in traditional Islamic theology, and "is the core political concept of Sunni Islam, by the consensus of the Muslim majority in the early centuries."

Hussein and Al Qaeda hated each other. They were not on the same side.

It is time you look for information outside of a few soundbites and do some real reading.

People like Liberty up above seem to be trying their best to teach you, but you continue to remain ignorant. I can only assume it is from choice.

Now, the fact that Iraq and 9/11 had nothing do with each other is not just now coming to light, it has been by many since the day the neocons tried to pull that one over on Congress. Many were writing about how false that was before the war.

The good news is that most of the people have awakened from the lies and realize that it is simply not true.

You could learn a lot from Liberty and the rest on this board.

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Reply # 87
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 6:25 PM EST

My beginning post

Here it is almost 24 hrs later and still, the MSM has not reported on the straw poles of yesterday? I would have thought, at least TH would have posted an article by now from a republican perspective.

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Reply # 88
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 6:23 PM EST

blbnan

No, the Ron Paul supporters have not changed my mind. I decided not to vote for him when he blamed America for the 9/11 in the debate. And after seeing and reading some (not all) of the posters for Ron Paul, I decided I made a good choice in not voting for him.

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Reply # 89
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 5:52 PM EST

Ron Paul on trade

Ron Paul opposed NAFTA and he opposes CAFTA. He says this is because they are "managed trade" and not "free trade. But both are freer than what existed before. Is there a response to this or would he rather have nothing than half a loaf?

His concept of "unilateral free trade" is incomplete. It does not include totally free trade of labor. This is not possible if you're going to have border security. He cannot marry the two. Again, idealism vs. reality.

Ron Paul also wants us disinvolve ourselves with the affairs of other countries (his military/foreign policy). Again, this doesn't work with reality. We had barely been a nation before Islamic pirates off the coast of North Africa began seizing US merchant ships.

We did not interfere with Castro when he overthrew Batista in Cuba. After he succeeded we left him on his own. Within four years he was allowing Russian missiles to be based there.

We were not bothering Saddam when he attacked Kuwait (our trading partner) and took control of their oil fields.

Ron Paul's vision of foreign/military policy combined with a hands off attitude (ideological unilateral pure free trade) is de facto isolationism because that is the only way it works, and the 'model' under which he sells it. We cannot import 2/3 of our oil and remain 'disinvolved' with other nations. And nearly all wars have evolved out of economic disputes.

In other words, "managed trade" is necessary. I too would like totally free trade. I would also like to not need a computer password or locks on my house, my car, my garage, and everything else I have of value. I would like to never need a gun. The problem is there will always be bad guys in the world.

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Reply # 90
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 5:50 PM EST

Doug

Yeah I did. Way back up there. I'd never not say hello to you. You and Liberty carry the water very well. I respect you for that. Just don't get mean.

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Reply # 91
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 5:47 PM EST

Doug Bartley: Did you mean "Ad terrorem?

Don't be a fool with your head in the sand!!!

Clearly the words, "Death to America" means nothing to you. Pity!

You must be a Neville Chamberlain fan.

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Reply # 92
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 5:34 PM EST

Fred is The Man

My money and support are fully behind Fred Thompson. Should Fred fall short, I will gladly back Mike, Rudy or Mitt against Fear Herself, Hillary Clinton. Having examined the remaining Republican candidates, I simply cannot consider voting for Paul or Tancredo.

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Reply # 93
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 5:24 PM EST

wiseone: At THIS POINT my concern is....

Republican:
Rudy, whom I think will be good on the WOT, but I'm not happy with his liberal domestic policies.

Thompson, who I think will be good on the WOT AND is Conservative enough on domestic policies.

Hunter, who like Thompson, will be good on the WOT and is Conservative enough that I'd be comfortable with him in the WH.

The question is, can he win the WH against the hildabeast??? Don't think so, but it's early and I could be wrong.

Democrats:
Doesn't matter. We're screwed! HUGE govenment, socialized health care, Fairness Doctrine, etc., all within the first six months. But, no matter because we'll all be dead or Muslims soon after.

Not a good future, is it?

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Reply # 94
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 5:19 PM EST

I'm about done today

but I'll say this: I'd take Ron Paul anytime before accepting the trash that the demos put up.

See you tomorrow.

John

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Anne Location: VA

Reply # 95
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 5:13 PM EST

wiseone: "I lied." Man, I was worried!

Whew! Of course, Biden, (the dem's counterpart to ronniepaul) Dodd, and, especially, the Breck Girl.

Rock on! :-)

Of course, we don't have to worry about any of those characters... just like we don't have to worry about ronniepaul.

Thank heaven for small favors. LOL

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Reply # 96
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 5:09 PM EST

??

Just curious to know if any of the posts by Charlie, Warren Small, LIBERTY(my personal favorite), or Judgedredd1 has actually changed any one's minds? Quite frankly, reading their stuff is quite an exhausting experience.
The reality of the whole thing is, opinion polls, straw polls, personal polls, or any other kind of poll that you can think of don't mean a dadgum thing!! The voting booth will tell the tale. Trying to slug through all this he said, she said stuff, what a waste. I say, do your research, don't depend on someone else's "facts" or prejudices. You are a majority of one in the booth!

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Reply # 97
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 5:08 PM EST

Chopper John: Yup! :-)

I've been keeping an eye on Bluey's column today. I've kind of stayed out of that one since I'm not a vet.

Of course, you know where I stand on that, but I figured it was best to let the vets duke it out! :-)

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Reply # 98
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 5:08 PM EST

President Reagan is speaking to us....

Will we listen?....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s06YhQyv3w

It's your choice. Big government or LIBERTY?

You may also enjoy this short speech given by Pastor Killian last night in Alabama before the Straw Poll.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAj7fC82q5A&feature=RecentlyWatched&page=1&t=t&f=b
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIp7CpMj1UA&feature=RecentlyWatched&page=1&t=t&f=b

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Reply # 99
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 5:01 PM EST

judgedredd1

"Liberty, can you smell it? I can smell it? LOL"

Yes sir, I sure can

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Reply # 100
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 4:56 PM EST

wiseone

"I agree. Hunter is the best candidate of the whole bunch. He is also the only one who is waiting until it really matters to announce.

When he does, I will be there for him."

Huh? Hunter announced long ago. Are you talking about a different Hunter, or did you mean, Fred?

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Reply # 101
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 4:55 PM EST

wiseone --Dr. Paul is a FREE TRADER

"He is also an economic isolationist. Economic isolationism (government interference with business at the border) ... "

What are you talking about? Dr. Paul is a fervent free trader! LOL! How could you believe otherwise? But, what we have right now is BIG government managed trade. Not free trade at all. We don't need the World Trade Organization, or thousands of pages of trade regulations for free trade. And we sure don't need special interests lining our Congressmens' pockets to pass special laws for them? Do you believe otherwise?

What is Free Trade?
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2000/cr050200.htm

"As economist Murray Rothbard explained, true free trade does not require treaties or agreements between governments. On the contrary, true free trade occurs in the absence of government intervention in the free flow of goods across borders. Organizations like the WTO and NAFTA represent government-managed trade schemes, not free trade. Government-managed trade is inherently political, meaning politicians and bureaucrats determine who wins and loses in the marketplace. We should not allow globalist trade schemes to masquerade as free trade.

One critical point must not be ignored. The Constitution grants Congress, and Congress alone, the authority to regulate trade and craft tax laws. Congress cannot cede that authority to the WTO or any other international body, nor can the President legally sign any treaty that purports to do so. Our Founders never intended for America to become entangled in global trade schemes, and they certainly never intended to have our domestic laws overridden by international bureaucrats. Quasi-governmental organizations like the WTO are simply incompatible with American national sovereignty." -- Dr. Ron Paul

The Trouble With Our Trade Treaties
http://www.jbs.org/node/4343

Losing Our Way
http://www.jbs.org/node/4331

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Reply # 102
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 4:49 PM EST

wiseone -- Dr. Paul is PRO-LIFE

Dr. Paul is NOT pro-choice as you say. He is very much PRO-LIFE. I can back it up too and already did. He wants Roe v. Wade overturned and the federal government out of the abortion business. Since he is a Constitutionalist, he believes the decision should be made at the state level. He has made it more than clear how he would vote and it would be on the side of life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb1osemR4ys
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2003/cr060403b.htm
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/life-and-liberty/

Will Ron Paul Be the Candidate of the Christian Right?
http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance109.html

HR 1094
To provide that human life shall be deemed to exist from conception.

This Act may be cited as the `Sanctity of Life Act of 2007'.

Read the rest here:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-1094

Or go read some of his speeches on the subject here:
http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/

You can't get more Pro-life than Dr. Paul. Remember, he has delivered more than 4000 babies.

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Reply # 103
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 4:48 PM EST

zeb

I agree. Hunter is the best candidate of the whole bunch. He is also the only one who is waiting until it really matters to announce.

When he does, I will be there for him.

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Reply # 104
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 4:40 PM EST

Anne

My decision is to be FREE AND ALIVE!

You seem to think we Americans should act like little fraidy cats and go clinging to the government's apron strings to "keep us safe". Is that it? My, how we have slipped.

Our Founding Fathers warned us about this.

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.- Benjamin Franklin

Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves, therefore, are its only safe depositories.-- Thomas Jefferson

Face the facts. Iraq did not attack us. The majority of the attackers came from none other than Saudi Arabia. The money wired to Atta, came from Pakistan. We allowed bin Laden to escape to Pakistan, where he still sits with his merry band of Al Qaeda. Where are we? In Iraq.

Want to stop them? How about...

-Physically secure the ports and borders.
-Keep our border patrol on the border and stop sending them to Iraq.
-Go after the people who actually attacked us. They are in Pakistan; NOT Iraq.
-Get ourselves out of the 9 TRILLION dollars of debt, we are currently in and we are borrowing over 2.5 billion dollars a day, largely from RED CHINA. Do you think it is national defense to leave the solvency of our dollar up to the whim of a foreign country, much less Communist China?
-After we take out those who attacked us, stop minding everyone's business. Stop occupying their countries and certainly not overthrow them.
If they attack us, or pose an imminent threat to our national security, then we go take them out, swiftly and surely. None of this pussyfooting around like we've been doing.
-Talk with countries, conduct real free trade with them.
-Get us out of these international sovereignty-robbing agremeents, such as the WTO, NAFTA, CAFTA, the World Bank, the IMF, and on and on.

Yup, that's the ticket. I want my country back. Do you?

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Reply # 105
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 4:38 PM EST

Flim-Flam and Straw Men

The straw poll ploy is used to get candidates' and their supporters' eyes off the ball. Distracted and busy trying to match Romney's buys and Thompson'd Baloney; they forget to get with,and stick with winning the hearts of individual voters. This is how we won the nomination for Barry in 1964, and how we won the 1980 nomination for Reagan in 1980. Boots on the Ground can overtake the frauds.

So, Duncan Hunter supporters, get the name and record out. Butt in on gab sessions and bring up Hunter. In case you get an invite, even from TownHall, to events where Romney and Rush Limbaugh are featured, pay it no attention. Dig in and remember: When you consider the long yards, gains seem impossible. But by the inch , it becomes a cinch. The main emphasis must be to realize that IT'S LATE IN THE GAME. The rules are being changed even as I write. So I will waste no more of our time by writing in this venue. Duncan Hunter Is A Straight Shooter.
Duncan Hunter Walks The Walk.

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Reply # 106
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 4:31 PM EST

I lied

I wrote that the only candidate I dislike personally is The Shrew. In truth I also dislike Biden, Dodd, and, especially, the Breck Girl.

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Reply # 107
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 4:26 PM EST

Military Man

I understood that you were siding with me.

I was just trying to give you some info that you might want.

Sometimes I come across as harsh when I don't mean to be.

I don't dislike Ron Paul personally (the only candidate I personally dislike is The Shrew). And I agree he would be the best on the issues of taxes and the border. But keeping more of my paycheck (if he could get Congress to make the tax cuts permanent or restructure taxes completely) and keeping illegals out will always be a secondary priority to providing for a comon defense. The physical threat to our safety and security is militant Islamism. And Paul has stuck his head in the sand on this one.

He also is pro-choice, as Portlandmom says. Do not be fooled by the fact that he is pro-life in his personal beliefs. He is in agreement with Judge Blackmun's assertion in Roe v Wade that it is not the state's business if a woman has an abortion. This is the Libertarian position (big "L") and the libertarian position (little "l")

He is also an economic isolationist. Economic isolationism (government interference with business at the border) is what led to the Great Depression. The Great Depression led to the New Deal, the New Deal led to the Great Society, and the Great Society led to the likes of Mrs. Bill Clinton, who is one election away from nationalizing the entire health care and energy sectors of our economy; in other words, communism.

Ron Paul is a Trojan Horse.

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Reply # 108
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 4:16 PM EST

Hey Anne

Still fightin' the good fight I see. I've got a little one going concerning vet's groups battling each other, an article by Bluey today on TH. Check it out.

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Reply # 109
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 4:12 PM EST

Liberty

Liberty, can you smell it? I can smell it? LOL

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Reply # 110
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 4:07 PM EST

Anne

"The FIRST question IS, do we want to keep the country we now have, or... as in... are we willing to open the front door and let in the radical Islamics? "

What are you talking about? THE DOOR IS OPEN, RIGHT NOW! Our ports and borders are wide open and any terrorist who has wanted to over the last 6 years, could just walk right on in. And STILL, President Bush and Homeland Security flat out REFUSE to build the fence that they were told to build and enforce our immigration laws.

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Reply # 111
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 4:05 PM EST

Tampa Dave

If you don't vote for what you want, you will NEVER GET what what you want.

No more satisficing for the lesser of 2 evils for me. Because if you vote for an evil, you still end up with an evil.

"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." John Quincy Adams

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Reply # 112
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 4:04 PM EST

Tampa Dave

My wife and my entire family all voted for Jr, in the last two elections because they said there was no other candidate, who could win. I was the only lone wolf republican who voted on principle, conviction and belief in the Constitution and did not vote for Jr, in my family. Now, they think I was right and regret ever voting for Jr. Even my incredibly huge pro Bush father, is starting to say, "Whats going on here!" "Somethings not right" and can no longer justify what the neo cons are doing, to our liberties.
Are we doomed to repeat the same mistake and vote for anther candidate who does not support true American ideals. Can we as a nation take another globalist elitest in the White House?
Check out Ron Paul, he is the real deal and has a record of being consistant, unlike the other republican candidates, who change like the wind. With the internet, it is easy to see how each candidate has stood on any major issue. Youtube is awesome and you can watch them, in their own words, from different times of their political careers.

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Reply # 113
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 4:03 PM EST

All: The FIRST question is NOT.....

"Do you want BIG GOVERNMENT STATISTS to control the Republican Party and be our nominee for President or do you want limited Constitutional government/individual liberty statesmen, of the ilk of Barry Goldwater at the helm of the Republican Party."

The FIRST question IS, do we want to keep the country we now have, or... as in... are we willing to open the front door and let in the radical Islamics?

THAT is our first decision and choice! If you don't mind the Star and Crescent flying over the WH and Capitol Building, and being forced to convert to Islam...then it doesn't matter if you vote for any of the dumbocrats or ronniepaul.

BUT, if defending who and what we are, the United States of America, then our choices must be who will defend us from the WOT... and...keep our government small and out of our lives, then we have some serious decisions to make.

What's your choice, folks?

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Reply # 114
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 4:01 PM EST

rcountry

Who has called people idiots or morons here?

By the way, nice comment of yours inferring that those who back Ron Paul are only claiming to belong to the Republican Party. I have been a member of the Republican Party since I could vote. I am now 50 years old. How's that?

And as far as your other sweet comment goes. Congressman Paul's campaign has not "produced" anyone. If anything, the grassroots has pushed the campaign. They had no idea there would be so much of the remnant left.

I can only speak for myself, but I do not pledge allegiance to the Republican Party. That is reserved for one thing and one thing only, our flag. Furthermore, I hold the Constitution to be the law of the land. Not Executive Orders, not Presidential Directives, not unconstitutional legislation. If that bothers you, I would suggest you avail yourself to some of President Reagan's many speeches and writings.

You have painted a broad brush with your claims against supporters of Ron Paul. You seem to think that the supporters of ANY candidate is like some big collective cabal or something. LOL. From my experience, many of us disagree on some issues. It's really to be expected, because with Dr. Paul, probably more than the rest of the candidates, his supporters come from across the political spectrum. You know, kind of like in the Reagan Revolution. The one thing we do agree on however, is a belief that we need to reinstate the Constitution as the law of the land. Is that really so scary? If it is, our country is already gone.

As far as hate goes. I have seen none here, with the exception of your post.

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Reply # 115
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 3:46 PM EST

so called GOP supporters

I don't usually jump in on other RNC hopefuls, nor do I think it is a good idea on anyone's part to burn bridges that aren't even built yet, but for some supporters, that apparently isn't the case. Every time I read comments made by Ron Paul supporters, whether here, other TH stories or at other sites,I wonder where they got thier commenting skills, from sites like dailykos or huffington?

These snips about 'the rest of us' being idiots and morons and blind sheep, is denegrating to your own candidate, and the party you claim to belong to. I'll vote for whomever I choose in primaries and straw polls, and when the final GOP nomination is in, I'll decide then whether I'll vote for that person or not. You 'supporters' are doing Dr Paul no favors, showing the rest of the GOP electorate just what ilk his campaign produces. This is what you portray to the readers at all the sites you go to, and I've seen Paul supporters go so far as to join my candidate's website and denegrate him and his supporters while they're there. This hateful talk has got to stop. I personnally am rabid anti-DNC, and you may read my sometimes over-the-top commentaries about them, but I do not turn that on my fellow conservatives. You have an idea of who you want to vote for and it's great that you are using your thought processes and decision making abilities, many wait for others to tell them what to believe. But you cannot force others to like someone because you think they are stupid if they don't. Don't try to tell others how to think. Present your opinion in a clear, non-threatening manner and then you may get other people to consider what you've got to say.

But hey, at this point, reading this hateful stuff from Paul's supporters, I can honestly say I won't even consider the man if this is what comes out of it.

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Reply # 116
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 3:39 PM EST

Hey Chopper!

I'm not going anywhere and have been around before, fighting the fight. There has been a change in the posters at TH and many seem to be waking up and seeing things, differently than a few years back, in a good way. Of course there are those, that can't smell poop, even under their noses, but never the less they are still worth the effort. Hopefully someday, even neo con posters like "RememberRonaldReagan" who offer nothing of any intellect and only attack with hot air and unsubstantiated blow hard rhetoric, will come around. I mean really, they offer nothing, for me to even think about or even a position of anything that could be considered pro American, at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s06YhQyv3w

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Reply # 117
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 3:35 PM EST

Still pushing Ron Paul?

I cannot believe anyone is still supporting the candidacy of Ron Paul. He has 0% chance of winning a national election as a Republican, Libertarian or Bull Moose Party candidate. Let the debate move on with serious candidates. While there are certainly genuine Ron Paul backers, many strike me as Democratic supporters or sympathizers attempting to divert attention from Republican candidates with a realistic chance of victory.

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Reply # 118
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 3:29 PM EST

Military Man

I'm sorry it's irritating to you, but the reality is, since the MSM is ignoring him since he's not a bought and paid for big government shill, all of us at the grassroots level have to be spreading the word, any way we can.

If you think that everything I have posted is a simple cut-and-paste, I beg to differ. I have been here all morning, writing.

I agree that Congressman Paul could improve on his debate skills. He's not a lawyer, like most of the others. But, neither are his speeches written for him or broadcast into his earpiece. Everything you hear is coming straight from him. His speeches are quite good, in my opinion. Like most of us, he does much better when he is given more time than 30 seconds to explain a principle. The others don't have to do that, do they? All they have to do is yell "911" or "double guantamo", or something of that nature.

What Dr. Paul IS however, is a Statesman. Perhaps we have gotten so used to talking mouthpieces for the big government establishment, we have forgotten the difference.

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Reply # 119
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 3:22 PM EST

No one watched this?

Reagans the man!! His own words.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s06YhQyv3w

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Reply # 120
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 3:21 PM EST

All

The question is...

Do you want BIG GOVERNMENT STATISTS to control the Republican Party and be our nominee for President or do you want limited Constitutional government/individual liberty statesmen, of the ilk of Barry Goldwater at the helm of the Republican Party.

We know which kind we have right now. What's your choice, folks?

I always hear a lot of talk about wanting a strict constructionist; someone who will stand up for 2nd Amendment rights; someone who will not only spew words, but will honor states' rights; return soundness to our dollar, REALLY lower our taxes and not just the income tax, the inflation tax too; get us out of the UN; do more than mouth empty rhetoric against abortion; someone who will secure our ports and borders and will put our national defense as priority one.

Congressman Paul is a strict Constitutionalist. That is why he earned the nickname of Dr. No. Because before voting on legislation, he first determines whether it is constitutional. Regardless of whether he likes or dislikes the given legislation, if it doesn't pass the constitutional test, he votes NO. Each and every time.

Dr. Paul has earned a PERFECT rating from Gun Owners' of America and more than that, he has actively taken steps to get rid of the gun grabbing legislation that currently exists.
http://gunowners.org/pres08/paul.htm

Dr. Paul has earned the title of Best Taxpayers' Friend Ever from the National Taxpayers' Union.

He has always fought against entangling our country's affairs with foreign countries, always heeding our Founding Fathers' many warnings about doing so. He has introduced legislation again this year to get us OUT OF THE UN.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-1146

He has also entered legislation, called, `Sanctity of Life Act of 2007', to define life as beginning at conception and to get the federal govt out of the abortion business.

I could go on, but I'm getting tired. lol.

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Reply # 121
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 3:12 PM EST

Hey Chopper John: How ya' been? :-)

Haven't seen you around much either.

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Reply # 122
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 3:11 PM EST

Wise one

Seriously... I was siding with you. It's after all the Ron Paul fanatics that are the ones trying to slash everyone-else's tires instead of just racing. Not only that but it seems that every time they post it's exactly the same post with exactly the same links. It's frankly irritating because they aren't even really trying they are just copying and pasting the same stuff over and over and over and over. Ron Paul is NOT a BAD guy but he's irritating to listen to. He thinks that leaving everyone else alone will make them happy. In fact most countries hate us because we ignored them for so long while we fought with the USSR.

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Reply # 123
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 3:10 PM EST

RememberRonaldReagan: Right ON!!!!!

Please allow me... sometimes they don't get it unless you make it EASY for them.... :-)

1. Al Queda WAS in Iraq, Shiek Mohammaed.

2. The master mind of the 9/11 attack was given aid and comfort by Saddamm.

3, The master mind of the 9/11 attack was FOUND in Iraq.

4. Hussein was the only with the resources to offer aid and comfort to Al Queda.

5. If we simply focused on Afghanistan, they would have ended up full force in Iraq.

AND...........

6. Mechanism to produce WMDs were found in Iraq.

7. Hussein's WMD were transported to Syria (while we were dealing with the UN) and are now buried in the sand in Syria... We (CIA) KNOW that!

As I've said before, it doesn't matter if we have THE MOST CONSERVATIVE person in the country sitting in the WH. If we leave Iraq too soon it won't matter if it's a Conservative or a liberal because we'll soon be overrun with radical Islamics.

ronniepaul and his paulettes don't get that, and THAT'S what makes him NOT a viable candidate!

But, it doesn't matter, because ronniepaul ISN'T going to get the nomination!!!!!!!!!

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Reply # 124
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 3:03 PM EST

Hey

Liberty, Doug B., where have you guys been? I haven't seen you around in days.

Judgedredd1, you are new to the game if this is the first you've heard from Liberty. I'll always give my old bud credit, he's knowledgeable and dedicated. No fault there. I just hope you guys stick with us when the primaries are over.

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Reply # 125
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 2:59 PM EST

Ron Paul's Stmt. of Faith

http://www.covenantnews.com/ronpaul070721.htm

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Reply # 126
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 2:54 PM EST

Still a Romney man

As much as a like Ron Paul, Mitt still has my vote. I have heard all the attacks on Mitt (flip-flop on abortion, gay rights, etc.). I have had the opportunity to meet him, and he is genuine. He is definitely anti-abortion now, and I truly admire his courage in seeing the truth.

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Reply # 127
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 2:53 PM EST

RememberRonaldReagan

I have shown you the facts, yet you still persist. You really should take Ronald Reagan's name out of your screenname. He would be ashamed of you.

Dr. Paul has been a Republican for over 20 years. How many years does it take to be considered a Republican?

It's too bad that you can use Ronald Reagan's name in that way and at the same time, have no understanding of his principles.

"If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals–if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is." -- Ronald Reagan

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Reply # 128
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 2:49 PM EST

mcfritz

Dr. Paul is not a RINO. I don't think Tom Tancredo is either. Probably not even Duncan Hunter.

All I can tell you is that there is a reason why lobbyists don't even bother to visit Dr. Paul's congressional office anymore. Because time and time again they heard the same thing. "I'm sorry, that's not constitutional". In fact, his staff is sorry to see them not come around anymore, because it was a source of entertainment for them. They always knew what the good doctor would say and always enjoyed seeing the look on the lobbyist's face when they encountered a Congressman with real integrity, honor and principle.

Dr. Paul is the real deal. As Judge Napolitano said, he is "one of US". A real statesman. Standing before us. Right here. Right now.

I mean, c'mon people...
This man was voted a 'Taxpayers Best Friend' by the National Taxpayers' Union, so many times, they awarded him the title of the 'Best Taxpayers' Friend EVER'. He has NEVER voted to raise taxes. Not once; ever. He has never taken a taxpayer-funded junket. Never voted for an unbalanced budget. NEVER. He has consistently voted against pay increases for the House. He has even turned down his OWN Congressional pension!!

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Reply # 129
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 2:48 PM EST

Liberty

Maybe I should check the facts before I ASSUME! Damn, I feel like such a liberal! Now I need a shower!

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Reply # 130
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 2:46 PM EST

WOW

the kooks drank their coffee this morning didn't they. Bottom Line is Paul is a Libertarian. The same party that thinks marijuana should be legalized. I wish someone would ask him THAT question in a debate. The same part that wants to legalize Prostitution. I wish someone would ask him THAT question in a debate.

Ron Paul has no character or conviction because he runs as a Republican but really is a Libertarian.

These kooks think don't understand that Al Queda WAS in Iraq, Shiek Mohammaed - the master mind of the 9/11 attack was given aid and comfort by Saddamm and was FOUND in Iraq. Hussein was the only with the resources to offer aid and comfort to Al Queda and if we simply focused on Afghanistan, they would have ended up full force in Iraq.

I know someone who died serving in Iraq and his last words were "keep the fight!" He would send letters about the Al Queda presence there.

RON PAUL wants to cut and run just like Hillary, Barack, and Edwards. THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE!

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Reply # 131
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 2:42 PM EST

Boy, was I wrong!

Thank you for offering corrections to my misconceptions about Paul. Unlike many on this site, I am willing to admit when I'm wrong (or as you stated, "very wrong"). I am very impressed about Paul's stand, both legislatively and constitutionally.

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Reply # 132
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 2:39 PM EST

drwings

There are a variety of things that Dr. Paul disagrees with the Libertarian party about. That is one of the many reasons why he is a libertarian-conservative Republican.

One of these things, is abortion. Dr. Paul is staunchly PRO-LIFE. Many Libertarians also want open borders. Dr. Paul disagrees firmly with them. He wants the borders and ports physically secured, wants to end birthright citizenship, enforce visa regulations, stop welfare to illegal aliens and darn sure says NO TO AMNESTY!

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Reply # 133
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 2:39 PM EST

Aren't they all "RINO"?

The biggest RINO is Fred Thompson. The platform doesn't mean squat to him.

``I don't think a platform means much. Never has,'' said Sen. Fred Thompson, R-Tenn. ``We've got some differences in this party, but we're putting those differences aside for the one big thing we agree on: that Dole ought to beat Clinton.''

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Reply # 134
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 2:37 PM EST

Hey all.

Agree with me, or don't agree with me, you have got to watch this video. In 1964s Ronald Reagans own words and words that ring so true today, that its chilling. Put aside our differences and listen to Reagan himself. I had never seen this before today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s06YhQyv3w

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Reply # 135
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 2:35 PM EST

HR 1094

To provide that human life shall be deemed to exist from conception.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Sanctity of Life Act of 2007'.

SEC. 2. FINDING AND DECLARATION.

(a) Finding- The Congress finds that present day scientific evidence indicates a significant likelihood that actual human life exists from conception.

(b) Declaration- Upon the basis of this finding, and in the exercise of the powers of the Congress--

(1) the Congress declares that--

(A) human life shall be deemed to exist from conception, without regard to race, sex, age, health, defect, or condition of dependency; and

(B) the term `person' shall include all human life as defined in subparagraph (A); and

(2) the Congress recognizes that each State has the authority to protect lives of unborn children residing in the jurisdiction of that State.

Read the rest here:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-1094

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Reply # 136
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 2:32 PM EST

drwings -- Paul is pro-life!

"Ron Paul and abortion
Look, in many ways I agree with Ron Paul. I am a conservative libertarian. The conservative portion mainly lies in being anti-abortion (pro-life/pro-choice are political terms). Ron Paul may be personally anti-abortion but he's politically pro-abortion."

Are you nuts? No he is NOT! The man has delivered over 4,000 babies. Let me show you how very wrong you are. He is actively working to get Roe v Wade overturned and return the decision to the states, where it belongs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb1osemR4ys
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2003/cr060403b.htm
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/life-and-liberty/

Will Ron Paul Be the Candidate of the Christian Right?
http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance109.html

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Reply # 137
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 2:31 PM EST

Douglass

Like some democrats who are personally anti-abortion, Ron Paul supports the libertarian stand, i;e. govt. should stay out of the lives of its citizens including "a woman's right to choose". Maybe I'm wrong about Paul and am open to proof.

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Reply # 138
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 2:26 PM EST

drwrock@hotmail.com

One quick observation of judgedredd's statistics: I, as a veteran, gave to the Romney campaign more than the amount listed ($1000). I'm not challenging the overall premise, but that stat is wrong.

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Reply # 139
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 2:23 PM EST

wiseone?

"Further, Ron Paul is the only GOP candidate who wants to cut and run."

BS! He thinks we should go after the people WHO ACTUALLY FRICKIN' ATTACKED US!!! They are sitting in Pakistan, BTW, all fat and sassy and have rebuilt.

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Reply # 140
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 2:22 PM EST

Ron Paul and abortion

Look, in many ways I agree with Ron Paul. I am a conservative libertarian. The conservative portion mainly lies in being anti-abortion (pro-life/pro-choice are political terms). Ron Paul may be personally anti-abortion but he's politically pro-abortion.

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Reply # 141
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 2:20 PM EST

Oops

Here's the 2nd picture...
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j4/liberty_08/ron_paul_reagan_2.jpg

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Reply # 142
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 2:19 PM EST

RememberRonaldReagan -- pictures

I thought you might enjoy these.

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j4/liberty_08/ron_paul_reagan_3.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j4/liberty_08/ron_paul_reagan_3.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j4/liberty_08/ron_paul_reagan_1.jpg

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Reply # 143
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 2:13 PM EST

wiseone == Paul favored by military

"Military? favors Ron Paul
The donations cited by judgedredd as evidence that the military favors Ron Paul over other GOP candidates comes from the Ron Paul Campaign's own Delaware headquarters. The information can hardly be considered unbiased or, as it turns out, even reliable."

Actually, you are wrong. Ron Paul's campaign didn't even know about it, until they were told by the grassroots. The numbers were taken directly from the FEC's own website. You can go there and count them up for yourself, if you choose.

Even FOX news carried it, Anne. Of course, they did their darnedest to spin it. Here ya go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nwZGRrqhfs

Ya gotta love it... "libertarian mailing list". LOL! Yeah, right!

Here's another source of the story:
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/articles/ron-paul-best-q2-fundraising-from-soldiers.html

Or, you can go add up the numbers yourself on the Federal Election Commission's web site.

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Reply # 144
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 2:11 PM EST

Gee Fred looks awful

Wow--Fred looks just ghastly in that photo! See what happens when the makeup artist isn't around to fill in all the nooks and crannies when your complexion is ravaged by age? Run Fred Run--to the nearest dermatologist for some botox injections. well, it couldn't hurt now could it.

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Reply # 145
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 2:10 PM EST

Paul is the closest thing we've had...

to a founding father, since the Founding Fathers. Wake up, people. While we still have a chance to save our country. How can you sit there and discount this man so easily? He has been endorsed by traditional conservatives ranging from Barry Goldwater, Jr., to Richard Viguerie, to Judge Andrew Napolitano.

“...the two American political figures Ron Paul strikes me as being the most similar to are Thomas Jefferson and Barry Goldwater.” – Chuck Muth

“I strongly support Ron Paul. We very badly need to have more Representatives in the House who understand in a principled way the importance of property rights and religious freedom” – Milton Friedman, Nobel Prize Economist

"If the framers of the Constitution were somehow to come back, Ron Paul is one of possibly only three people in Congress that they'd even talk to," said Mr. Williams, adding that most politicians have a "generalized contempt" for the values of the Constitution. – Walter Williams

“...in his heart and in his head, in his character and in his intellect, in what he has done and in what he will become, the Thomas Jefferson of our day, Ron Paul is one of us!" --Judge Andrew Napolitano
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8QwTKKSvR8

"Texas Congressman Ron Paul's pro-gun credentials are impeccable and he has been a leading proponent of rolling back the past 40 years of gun control." -- Gun Owners of America

Ron Paul for President '08 -- "HOPE FOR AMERICA"
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/
http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/index.php
http://www.ronpaulaudio.com/
http://www.ronpaulnation.com/tv.html
http://gunowners.org/pres08/paul.htm

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Reply # 146
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 2:10 PM EST

Military? favors Ron Paul

The donations cited by judgedredd as evidence that the military favors Ron Paul over other GOP candidates comes from the Ron Paul Campaign's own Delaware headquarters. The information can hardly be considered unbiased or, as it turns out, even reliable. Here is the answer to Military Man's question about how the RonPaulWhackos 'know' who the military is contributing to, from the same site as judgedredd's numbers:

"This table expresses in dollars the total campaign contributions that each candidate has received from individuals who marked “Air Force,” “US Marines,” “USMC,” “Army,” “Navy,” or some other such permutation of letters as their employer that gives the appearance that they are a member of the armed services. The “veteran” column was derived by looking for “retired ______,” “______ retired,” or anything containing the word veteran, with the exception of Veterans’ Affairs (or the like)."

So anyone who wants to skew the numbers (lie) can claim to be a serviceman or vet. You know, kind of like all those 'Vietnam veterans' at the "Winter Soldier" convention in 1971 who were exposed as liars, but not until they had made a chump out of John Kerry.

Further, Ron Paul is the only GOP candidate who wants to cut and run. And if you combine the donations to all candidates who favor victory they easily outweigh those who favor cut-and-run Paul. So if the issue is Iraq, Paul is the minority.

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Reply # 147
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 2:08 PM EST

wiseone: LOL Well, I learned THAT lesson

after having BEEN in a few food fights with "you know who."

But you're right, ronniepaul is a cut-and-runner and will never be nominated, so it doesn't matter, and not worth getting into.

Besides, fairly soon the ronpaulettes will be in meltdown mode... :-)

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Reply # 148
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 2:01 PM EST

for Savage99: you don't remember

Savage99 writes: "I do believe the Reagan landslide majority is still out there waiting to be tapped."

The "Reagan landslide majority" of 1980 included millions of DEMOCRATS (the so-called "Reagan Democrats"). Didn't you know that?

It also included a lot of what you call RINOs: moderate Republicans like Senator Baker and even LIBERAL Republicans like Senator Jacob Javits of New York. In New York, liberal Republican Jacob Javits worked hard to get out the New York vote for Reagan; and THAT is why Reagan was able to win New York and he nearly even won Brooklyn.

Reagan fought hard for conservative principles but he was NOT vindictive toward liberal Republicans, moderate Republicans, or even moderate Democrats as you wacko hard-core conservatives are. You feel comfortable chasing away potential allies just because they don't agree with you. Remember Reagan said that you could be an ally if you agreed with just 70%, not 100%, of what he was proposing.

We only have two major political parties in this country. Chase anyone away from yours and they'll vote for the other party. Is that what you want?

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Reply # 149
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 2:01 PM EST

Tampa Dave

What "serious debate" are you talking about? With few exceptions, all I see are a bunch of BIG government STATISTS, spewing their socialist filth!

But, if you want your President decided by the MSM, once again, keep it up! After all, the Republican Party did SUCH a great job nominating George "Open Borders" Bush, didn't they?

Geez, you guys are amazing. How long are you going to keep your eyes slammed shut? Huh? Do you want your party and your country back, or don't you??? Or, are you going to sit on your backsides while our country is wholesale merged with Canada and Mexico, we are all given biometric National IDs and later microchips injected into us (just to keep us safe, don't ya know), our guns are confiscated, our dollar crashes and the last vestiges of our Constitution are ripped to shreds?

THERE IS A REASON THE MSM IS IGNORING CONGRESSMAN PAUL and when they do talk about him, they try to marginalize him, by keeping on saying he is a libertarian, rather than the Republican that he is!!!!!!!!!! He is NOT part of the establishment and the status quo. HE IS NOT BOUGHT AND PAID FOR!

WAKE UP, while we still have a chance to get our country back!

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Reply # 150
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 1:54 PM EST

All - pt. 2

Congressman Paul told us the TRUTH. It is our foreign policy over the last 50 years that has led to hatred of our country. It does not excuse the attacks, but we'd sure better get a grip on what it is that is flipping their switches. If we do not, and keep sticking our heads in the sand, we will not be able to defeat them.

Are you guys honestly going to sit there and tell me that these guys are blowing smoke????

What the heck is so bad about believing we should go after those who attacked us. They ARE IN PAKISTAN, by the way. Secure our OWN ports and borders. Stop borrowing BILLIONS of dollars a day from frickin' RED CHINA and allowing ourselves to be threatened by these commies with the collapse of our dollar! Getting our country out of the 9 TRILLION DOLLARS in debt that we are currently in. Getting our dollar backed by a precious metal, so that these bureaucrats will be forced to stop raping us, by printing money out of thin air. Getting us out of the United Nations. Dismantling the IRS. REINSTATING THE CONSTITUTION and the proper role of the federal government, returning the other powers, as dictated by our Constitution, to the states and the people.

Or, are some of you so far gone, that you see no other way, than the socialistic BS we have now?

And yes, I am frustrated!!!!!!!!!!!

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Reply # 151
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 1:53 PM EST

All

Some of you all are beyond belief. You can't see past your testosterone, can you? Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9-11. Yet, you can't deal with the fact that our leftist President took us to war with this country anyway. You are aware, right, that there were plans to invade Iraq, long before 9-11, right? All you have to do is lookup the resolution.

Yet, there is one man who has had the balls to stand up before the American people and tell us the TRUTH and you apparently cannot take it. Do you think it makes you more of a man to sit in your armchairs while more of our men and women are sent to fight and die for something that has absolutely nothing to do with our national security?

People ranging from CIA Intelligence, Paul Wolfowitz, foreign policy experts like Robert A. Pape and Chalmers Johnson, the 9-11 Commission Report...even the frickin' CHIEF OF THE CIA'S BIN LADIN UNIT, all have said the exact same thing that Congressman Paul told us in the 2nd debate. What do you think he did, dream it up???? No, he is on the House Cmte. of Foreign Intelligence and actually knows something, as opposed to Rudy "give me 100K to speak out 9-11" Giuliani or some of you armchair quarterbacks!

This has been pointed out to you, over and over and over again. But, do you take the time to check what you believe to be "fact". HECK NO! Because, you'd rather believe they "hate us for our freedom" or some other similar type of NONSENSE. Use your common sense! You know it's stupid to believe they hate us for our freedoms. If it was that easy, why in hell haven't they attacked Switzerland?!! Huh? Answer that. Will you?

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Reply # 152
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 1:52 PM EST

Tancredo & Paul and = Kucinich & Gravel

Paul, Tancredo, Kucinich and Gravel are sideshow acts detracting from the serious candidates in both parties. I do not think the majority of Americans want to focus on candidates espousing the bombing Mecca or slave reparations, among other topics.

P.S. Go Fred!

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Reply # 153
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 1:49 PM EST

Truth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9IJUkYUbvI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_w9pquznG4&mode=related&search=

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Reply # 154
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 1:43 PM EST

Another non-swimmer working as lifeguard

PC rules. How many of Romney's tiny 4,516 voters were Mormons. My guess is over half. The other candidates knew this but because of PC couldn't say. I suspect Garthwaithe,another non-swimmer working as lifeguard, didn't think of the possibility.

Mormons are not like most other religions. They are extremely committed. Virtually all Mormon men do 2 years of full time service as missionaries. Mitt, for example, did his in France and avoided the draft by doing so (also never mentioned).

Going on to the astonishing second place Huckabee story, I have to ask where is the cost/resource expended context. Because Huckabee only got 2,587 votes. Tom Tancredo got 1,961 votes. If Huckabee spent $2 million and Tom Tancredo spent $500,000 then the question arises as to who really did better in the Straw Poll.

Because what we are trying to figure our from the straw poll is this and only this. Who has the strongest message.

Its important to know that whoever shows up including non-Republicans can vote in the Republican straw poll. Wikipedia advises, "The poll takes place amongst attendees of a fundraising dinner benefiting the Iowa Republican Party. The vote takes place after each candidate is given a chance to make a short speech to the attendees.Non-Republicans are allowed to vote in the Ames Straw Poll. However, all voters must be 18 years of age, be legal residents of the state of Iowa, and purchase a ticket to the fundraising dinner.[1] Voters have their hands stamped or their thumbs dipped in ink when entering the voting area so that they cannot vote twice. Actual voting is done with ballots submitted to electronic voting machines."

Garthwaite's column is misleading if not downright intentionally deceptive.

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Reply # 155
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 1:36 PM EST

Anne

"judgedredd1: Sorry...can't find the link

now. I didn't keep it because I thought it was a dead issue...as it should be."

Just as I thought. You can't find it Anne, because you lied, yet again. You are becoming quite infamous on this board for doing so.

I backed my claim up with a clip from FOX news, but you cannot. I guess we know who is telling the truth, don't we.

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Reply # 156
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 1:35 PM EST

RememberRonaldReagan

"Any truth to the rumor that Jane Fonda will be doing a fund raiser for him? I hear Alec "I'll leave America if Bush Wins" Baldwin will be there too. Cindy Sheehan is going to get Paul to SF to campaign for her. I'd love to see the Democrats invite Paul to their debate, at least their he will be in like company."

NO!

Congressman Paul is the MOST conservative member of Congress. You are insulting traditional conservatism and everything for which Ronald Reagan stood. You should be ashamed of yourself!

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Reply # 157
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 1:33 PM EST

Modern Conservative Movement

was started by libertarians, called Individualists, back in the 30s and 40s. People like Mises and Hayek, followed by Rand, Rothbard, Friedman. New Conservatives, ex-liberals, ex-socialists, ex-Troskyites, came along later, united with Individualist in fighting communism, but advocating coercion of virtue over liberty, and now known as social and neo-conservatives still advocation liberal big government to push their agendas.

See, for instance, George H. Nash's _The Conservative Intellectual Movement in America Since 1945_, for history.

Ron Paul, as a lower case libertarian, is an original conservative, not your watered down variety.

I doubt he has a chance in hell taking nomination let alone election, but he has an important message. The enthusiasm seen says people are waking up from liberal dependence on government.

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Reply # 158
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 1:32 PM EST

RememberRonaldReagan - pt2

Congressman Paul sponsored legislation way back in '01 to stay focused on bin Laden and suggested we use a Letter of Marque and Reprisal to put a bounty on his head.
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2001/cr101001.htm
It seemed like a good idea to me. Sometimes you can be more effective going after a target with a pinpoint strike, rather than a total invasion. Do you agree?

Congressman Paul has recently reissued this legislation.

Meanwhile, our soldiers are in Iraq, while bin Laden and his merry henchmen are in Pakistan and have rebuilt. We are being told that we cannot leave Iraq, because Iran will take it over. Do you see the strangeness here? All while our borders remain WIDE OPEN.

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Reply # 159
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 1:32 PM EST

RememberRonaldReagan - pt1

"He knows that 90% of his support comes from the anti-war leftist and he's fine with that - because that's the only way he knows his name can be in the public arena."

I'm not sure where you're getting this from. I am a traditional conservative Republican, of the Barry Goldwater type. I handed out literature for this man when I was a child; my mother was a delegate, and my very first vote as an adult was for Ronald Reagan. Congressman Paul stands for every single thing that traditional conservatism always meant.

Where you seem to be getting hung up is on Iraq. I can understand that. But, here's the thing. Dr. Paul voted for us going in Afghanistan, because there was intelligence that bin Laden was there. However, he did not support us diverting our attention from those who attacked us, to going into Iraq. Why would we do that anyway? As distasteful as Saddam was, he was not involved in 9-11, was a sworn enemy of those who were (Al Qaeda) and also served as a *stop* against Iran. Way back when this was all going on, Congressman Paul spoke out about this, time and time again. You an go read those speeches, if you so choose.
http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul-arch.html

Cheney also raised some of the same issues about the pitfalls in overthrowing Iraq, way back in '94. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I

Tell me, since Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 and was a sworn enemy to those who DID attack us, why would our opinion of what would happen in Iraq if we overthrew the government, change? It appears that Cheney had it right the first time.

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wiseone Location: MI

Reply # 160
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 1:30 PM EST

Posters making the most sense...

Are RememberRonaldReagan whose entire post is spot on.

And Nam 65-66 who wants us to wake him up when the BS is over and the real game starts.

And pjal, who points out that 208 'straw' votes in NH and a win in AL with a majority of the 266 'straw' votes cast there don't mean anythingother than a handful of RonPaulWhacko's who know their guy hasn't got a chance trying desperately to convince the world he does.

And Anne, who understands it's better not to start a food fight than to be able to claim you won it.

Ron Paul is a parasite on the GOP and a cut-and-runner. We will never nominate him.

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Anne Location: VA

Reply # 161
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 1:26 PM EST

wiseone: "If you want to retreat from

Iraq and wait for the 9/11 to happen, he's your guy."

Right you are!

What was it ronniepaul said, "Just leave?"

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wiseone Location: MI

Reply # 162
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 1:12 PM EST

For Military Man

Q: "What happened to the 'rule' that Republicans don't attack other Republicans?"

A: Ron Paul is not a Republican. Neither are his supporters on this thread who are bashing the candidates who actually are Republicans. They are Libertarians, as stated by RememberRonaldReagan. He ran for Prez as a Libertarian on their national ticket in 1988. As such he couldn't even get enough petition signatures to get on the ballot in all of the states. He now calls himself a Republican solely for the purpose of furthering his own political ambitions.

He is a parasite on our party and his supporters consist mainly of other Libertarians who've never donated a dime to the GOP, never gone door-to-door, never manned any phone lines, never donated to any individual Republican's campaign, and whose 'input' has consisted primarily of bashing Republican candidates and officeholders for either supporting Israel, supporting the current administration's use of FISA to acquire intelligence on terrorists, or supporting the war in Iraq.

If you want to retreat from Iraq and wait for the 9/11 to happen, he's your guy.

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Anne Location: VA

Reply # 163
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 1:10 PM EST

judgedredd1: Sorry...can't find the link

now. I didn't keep it because I thought it was a dead issue...as it should be.

Guess that rumor is still floating about, but it's not true...

As a matter of fact, the few troops with whom I email, I asked that exact question about ronniepaul's popularity. The response was that if they asked the other troops in the mess tent about ron paul, they'd have to duck because chances were, food would most likely be thrown at them... :-)

But, you're entitled to believe what you want.

Cheers :-)

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Liberty Location: OK

Reply # 164
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 1:09 PM EST

Anne

"judgedredd1: paul's donations. NOT TRUE!
That little tactic was refuted long ago. In fact, it's not even close!!!!!!"

Show the source for your claim, Anne! You know you can't, because you are lying AGAIN. Aren't ya, Anne? LOL!

Even FOX news carried it, Anne. Of course, they did their darnedest to spin it. Here ya go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nwZGRrqhfs

Ya gotta love it... "libertarian mailing list". LOL! Yeah, right!

Here's another source of the story:
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/articles/ron-paul-best-q2-fundraising-from-soldiers.html

Or, you can go add up the numbers yourself on the Federal Election Commission's web site.

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judgedredd1 Location: MA

Reply # 165
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 1:02 PM EST

Liberty

Liberty, I like your style, well said!

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Liberty Location: OK

Reply # 166
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 1:00 PM EST

RememberRonaldReagan

"I have a better chance
of winning the Powerball than Ron Paul does of getting the GOP nomination. First of all, he's not a Republican...he's a Liberatrian."

Well, if you obtain all your news from the MSM, that is what you would think. But, it's simply not true. Congressman Paul is a 10 term REPUBLICAN Congressman. That's 20 years. How long does someone need to be in the Republican Party to be considered "Republican" anyway? I think you see my point.

Were you aware that Dr. Paul was 1 of only 4 members of the House to break ranks with the rest of the Republican Party and support Ronald Reagan over Gerald Ford? Were you aware that he led the Reagan coalition in Texas?

You seem to mention the word "libertarian" like it is something bad. However, libertarianism and conservatism have a lot in common. Which is probably why both Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan referred to themselves as libertarian-conservatives, just like Congressman Paul.

What are those similarities between the two? There are actually many. A belief in the individual, rather than groups. Personal privacy. Personal responsibility. A strong belief in the original intent of the Constitution. Fiscal responsibility in government. In other words, we wouldn't have a 9 TRILLION dollar debt and be printing money out of thin air, causing inflation. A strong national *defense* (not OFFENSE). And last, but not least, INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY!

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judgedredd1 Location: MA

Reply # 167
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 12:49 PM EST

Anne

Here is one place to read the statistics, which took me 5 seconds to find as well as tons of others sites giving the statistics, this just happens to be the first I picked, in my google search:

http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/07/17/ron-paul-leads-all-08-candidates-with-one-third-of-military-contributions-for-q2/

The information was compiled from none other than the Federal Elections Commission as reported by the various sites I looked at, in the Selected Presidential Reports For The 2007 July Quarterly.

I cannot find anything that contradicts this info. But will keep looking.

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Anne Location: VA

Reply # 168
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 12:31 PM EST

judgedredd1: paul's donations. NOT TRUE!

"Ron Paul receives more donation money from active duty service men and woman, than any other candidate."

That little tactic was refuted long ago. In fact, it's not even close!!!!!!

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CruiseMissile Location: TX

Reply # 169
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 12:25 PM EST

Reagan and Paul

Ronald Reagan noted that he was wrong in his memoirs about his approach in the middle east, so when you ask whether Paul supported him, you are asking the wrong question. The older and wiser Reagan didn't support the views of the younger Reagan.

For someone to say that Ron Paul is a libertarian and therefore not a Republican is also ignore what the history of Republicanism is. Here's a quote from Ronald Reagan in 1975:

"If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals–if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.
Now, I can’t say that I will agree with all the things that the present group who call themselves Libertarians in the sense of a party say, because I think that like in any political movement there are shades, and there are libertarians who are almost over at the point of wanting no government at all or anarchy. I believe there are legitimate government functions. There is a legitimate need in an orderly society for some government to maintain freedom or we will have tyranny by individuals. The strongest man on the block will run the neighborhood. We have government to insure that we don’t each one of us have to carry a club to defend ourselves. But again, I stand on my statement that I think that libertarianism and conservatism are travelling the same path."

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judgedredd1 Location: MA

Reply # 170
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 12:15 PM EST

RememberRonaldReagan

Lets not forget, that there were also 600 fully armed Black Water Security personnel on the ground in New Orleans, after Hurricane Katrina, hired by Homeland Security and deputised as law enforcement. They are presently being sued in court for gun confiscation of American Citizens.

You ramble on RememberRonaldReagan, but have nothing but hot air and nonsense attacks. I provide proof, to back up what I'm saying, where is your proof, that what I've said is untrue? Or will you just revert back to name calling and nonesense? You call me a liar, where is your proof?
You call Ron Paul a kook and it begs the question, have you ever read The Constitution?

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judgedredd1 Location: MA

Reply # 171
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 11:48 AM EST

RememberRonaldReagan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ncq_Nu3dRSI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgPR9I4KMNI

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Savage99 Location: FL

Reply # 172
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 10:13 AM EST

Robert and the joys of life

It has always been a consolatin to me that folks who enjoy seeing/putting other people in misery, are coming from deep misery in their own life. I feel sorry for Robert. He doesn't smile much, and when he does its because he sees someone in more pain than he has.

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RememberRonaldReagan Location: TX

Reply # 173
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 9:59 AM EST

All of a sudden

Judgedredd becomes a Paulista, give me a break, not a chance. And we are not violating Reagan's commandment because we are not attacking a Republican...we're exposing a radical anti-American Liberatarian. So was Ron Paul against having troops in Lebanon that Reagan sent in? Was Ron Paul against the action in Grenada? Was Ron Paul clammoring to get our troops out of Europe when Reagan was winning the Cold War? I got one of his mailers, being a delegate to the Straw Poll with his pic with Reagan and IMMEDIATELY called and said remove me from your Cocoa Puff list. The guy is a kook, there is simply no other way you can spin it. To say we deserved 9-11, to say we need to be out of Iraq, to say 90% of what it is he says....HE'S A KOOK! I simply hit the mute button everytime he appears in a debate.

Dredd, when has your right to travel been taken away? When has your freedom of speech been taken away? When has the right to trial and face your accused been taken away? Congress did authorize the action in Iraq, but I didn't expect you to have knowledge. When has there been a search and seizure without a warrant?

These kooks just make stuff up and live in this different reality and it amazes me. And they take away from the real point of the REAL candidates need to be in Texas. WHEW, these guys need mental help!

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JW Location: IL

Reply # 174
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 9:47 AM EST

GOP Illinois Strraw Poll

Jonathan: Did anyone tell you about the Illinois Straw Poll on Republican Day at the Illinois State Fair--Mitt Romney won with 40 percent of the vote. GOP State Chairman Andy McKenna used the poll as a way to get more Republicans to come to the Fair on their day.Jerry White, Springfield, IL

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judgedredd1 Location: MA

Reply # 175
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 9:45 AM EST

We the people

(Savage99)Yes Paul can do it. That is why as of last night, I decided he is my candidate of choice. His message is clear and simple and is truly based on the highest ideals, of our fore fathers. This appeals to all Americans, from all walks of life, who see what is happening to our country and our personal freedoms.
I took an oath many years ago, to defend this country from enemies both foriegn and domestic and at the time did not quite understand, the meaning of domestic enemies and all it entailed. However, 20 plus years later we have, federal military troops being used as police on American soil, Local law enforcement being federalized, citizens firearms being taken away by force of arms, my right to travel gone, freedom of speech gone, the right to trial and the right to face the accused gone, foreign troops used against American citizens, working 6 months of the year to pay taxes, going to war with out congress's approval or congress never declaring war, no accountability in Washington, elected and appointed officials openly lying to congress and yet still no accountability, search and siezure without warrants, etc......... Houston, we have a problem. Wake up America!!!

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soonhomo Location: TX

Reply # 176
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 9:25 AM EST

Texas Staw

Texas will welcome Fred Thompson with a surprisingly high percent...Rudy...Huck,these three will be front runners...Mitt four. However, it may be close with Mitt for third

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Savage99 Location: FL

Reply # 177
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 8:54 AM EST

Warren Small

A spirited and engaging advocacy for Paul. I'll certainly vote for him if he is the candidate. More, i will vote for him in the primary over Rudy or McCain. Romney i don't quite trust, but he is certainly attractive. Duncan et al are tied with Paul in my mind at this point. The primaries should be interesting this election, with all the expressed conservative anger over RINOs. The numbers of people taking outraged action over the amnesty bill is a very good indication that there is a solid grass roots group out there. Its hard to tell sometimes just how deep the opinions that make daylight are, even on TH. I do believe the Reagan landslide majority is still out there waiting to be tapped. Can Paul do it? Anybody?

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Nam65-66 Location: NY

Reply # 178
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 8:31 AM EST

Will someone please...

...wake me when REAL primary votes start coming in? This crap about "straw" votes,"opinion polls",etc are absolutely worthless.I mean,if they were so good why don't we adopt them for the general election in November 08? Save everyone a trip to the voting booths.

Ron Paul: Blamed America for 9/11.Bit--ed slapped by Rudy.Eliminated himself from consideration.If he changed his last name to 'Reagan" he STILL couldn't get in the game.

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charlie Location: TX

Reply # 179
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 8:06 AM EST

RINO dementia

Listen up, you "true Conservatives" will need the RINO votes. just like the Dems are smart enough to put out their "anyone but a Republican" mantra, some idiots on the right better wake up and begin their own "anyone but a Democrat" mantra.
Without RINO votes, the GOP can't win a Presidential election, and without a majority in the US House, a party platform there isn't worth warm spit, and the "true Conservatives" must have those RINO Reps in the US House for a majority just the same as Pelosi must have the "Blue Dog" Democrats.
You can play "true Conservative" power in the US Senate wherein you most likely can garner a filibuster welding (41 vote) "true Conservative" power base, if you work hard enough in key states in the future to get your "true Conservative" candidates elected instead of RINOs, and in certain state situations Democrats that have no business representing the "center-right" constiuencies they have.
Get real about the RINOs though; remember the Reagan strength lay in a BIG party tent.

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pjal Location: CA

Reply # 180
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 4:17 AM EST

Reality check

Paul's 208 votes in New Hampshire and landslide victory in Alabama with only 266 actual participants is hardly something to write home to Mama about, he's got about as much chance winning the Repub. ticket as Mike Gravel does on the other side.

You Paulistas really need a reality check, Paul was DOA the moment his hat went in the ring.

The article wasn't worthy of a small column in the classified......under JUNK...or LANDFILL FOR FREE.

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Stahl73 Location: CA

Reply # 181
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 3:00 AM EST

I've been reading...

The same thing about military donations and have been surprised by it.

And I think Judgedredd is right, it's a little funny that Mr. Garawaite didn't mention Ron Paul at all given his recent successes.

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none none Location: OR

Reply # 182
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 2:52 AM EST

judgedredd1

Paul is pro-choice. He's a lib. (ertarian, that is) Practically same difference.

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Military Man Location: WA

Reply # 183
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 2:19 AM EST

Hey Judge

Where did you get those numbers. I'm interested. I'm not arguing in the slightest. When I donated to Mitt I entered my work...Army, but how would they know how veterans donated?

At the end of the day I'll still vote for any Republican rather than Hillary. What happened to Reagan's Rule of not attacking fellow Republicans?

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judgedredd1 Location: MA

Reply # 184
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 1:04 AM EST

Military donations

The breakdown? Here you go.

Army Navy USAF USMC VET TOTAL
Ron Paul 6975 7765 4650 1500 1250 22140
McCain 6225 6480 1570 1600 800 16675
Romney 2051 0 1500 0 1000 4551
Giuliani 1450 370 250 0 250 2320
Hunter 0 1000 0 0 0 1000
Richardson 50 750 0 0 0 800
Huckabee 250 0 500 0 0 750
Tancredo 350 0 0 0 0 350
Brownback 71 0 0 0 0 71
T. Thompson 0 0 0 0 0

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judgedredd1 Location: MA

Reply # 185
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 12:53 AM EST

RememberRonaldReagan

"RememberRonaldReagan " Out of all the candidates, Ron Paul receives more donation money from active duty service men and woman, than any other candidate. So, I suppose according to your idiotic viewpoint our soldiers are in the same camp as "Alec" "Fonda" and "Sheehan".
Go climb under a rock with your un American, anti American Constitution, new world order, pro abotion buddies, who only have name calling, as the only mode of defending your elitest, one world candidates.

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RememberRonaldReagan Location: TX

Reply # 186
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 12:16 AM EST

I have a better chance

of winning the Powerball than Ron Paul does of getting the GOP nomination. First of all, he's not a Republican...he's a Liberatrian. He knows that 90% of his support comes from the anti-war leftist and he's fine with that - because that's the only way he knows his name can be in the public arena. Any truth to the rumor that Jane Fonda will be doing a fund raiser for him? I hear Alec "I'll leave America if Bush Wins" Baldwin will be there too. Cindy Sheehan is going to get Paul to SF to campaign for her. I'd love to see the Democrats invite Paul to their debate, at least their he will be in like company.

I have a hard time beliving that judgedredd1 was NOT supporting Paul till tonight. Anyone can see through that lie.

Bottom line, this race is down to 5 and perhaps even 4: Giuliani, Romney, Thompson, Huckabee and perhaps McCain. The others need to take their ball and go home because there is no chance of them winning. The good thing is it has shown America what a great person Duncan Hunter is, wish we had more like him in Congress.

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judgedredd1 Location: MA

Reply # 187
Date: Aug 19, 2007 - 12:00 AM EST

It was written......

Oh, here is when it was written:

Campaign '08: Next Stop, Texas
By Jonathan Garthwaite
Saturday, August 18, 2007

What a schmuck this writer is. He even published this article long after the wins for Paul came in. Wake up America!! The whole machine is trying to ignore Ron Paul and it is obvious. I was not a Ron Paul supporter until tonight and I am so si