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Friday, October 20, 2006
Jonathan Garthwaite :: Townhall.com Columnist
Are you going to be a benchwarmer this election?
by Jonathan Garthwaite
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Last week I argued that conservatives and evangelicals really have but one logical choice in the upcoming election – to reelect a Republican majority in Congress. In some cases, it’s certainly not a pleasant choice, but it’s one that must be made in order to give our conservative principles a fighting chance over the next two to ten years.

Dozens of readers responded. Most conceded that a choice must be made, many agreeing with my argument. (One reader, who said he was going to vote Republican, called it “hold-your-nose-voting.”) However, many others stated that they weren’t just making a “lesser of two evils” decision on Election Day. Several said they were placing their bets on the Libertarian Party, assuming that Libertarian leaders would be immune from whatever infects elected officials from other parties once they get elected.

Slice it up any way you like it: in each race, it comes down to a Democrat and a Republican, and the history on protest votes isn’t a pretty one – can you say Perot and Nader?

For those of you considering sitting on the sidelines this November, I offer a small portion of the Townhall.com commentary on choosing between Republicans and Democrats this fall. Many fall short of full-fledged endorsements, but they are clear about one thing – conservatives can’t afford to sit this one out.

Star Parker starts us off by asking, “Must things get worse in order to get better?”

“Republicans and conservatives are fed up with their party and their representatives. But can it be that anything is better than what we now have?

I've gotten letters telling me that I've sold out because I've written that we should not abandon the Republican Party because at least there is a chance of fixing it. What do we gain by allowing Democrats, who are wrong on everything, to regain power, just to express anger at wayward Republicans?” (more)

Hugh Hewitt says that as goes Montana, so goes the Supreme Court.

“If Montana re-elects Conrad Burns, not only will the Senate almost certainly remain in Republican control, nominees like Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito will continue to receive a yes vote from Burns, just as he voted yes on both of President Bush's nominees.

If Montana lurches way left and sends Jon Tester to D.C., not only will he vote to put Vermont's radical Patrick Leahy back in charge of the Judiciary Committee, Tester will support the obstruction that killed judicial nominee after nominee during Leahy's stretch as chairman.” (more)

Mike Gallagher thinks it’s just laughable to think Democrats should be in charge.

“The suggestion that recent polls indicate that more Americans think the Democratic Party is better equipped to deal with issues of morality than the Republican Party is funny.

Not “mildly-amusing”-type funny. I’m talking “fall-off-the-chair-roaring-with-laughter-and-rolling-around-on-the-floor” – type of funny.

Let’s look at five prominent Americans who could quite accurately be described as bastions of the Democratic Party: John Kerry, Barbra Streisand, Hillary Clinton, Harry Reid, and Ted Turner.” (more)

Michael Medved reminds us that economic and religious conservatives are united, not divided, by core values

“Yes, economic and religious conservatives may emphasize different priorities: Christian activists will care more passionately about abortion, while money-minded reformers might stress retooling Social Security or cleaning up our lawsuit-riddled judicial system. But the two wings of the GOP and the conservative movement nonetheless pursue goals that are not only complementary, but utterly dependent on one another.

The economic conservatives want to shrink government and encourage personal responsibility. Religious right-wingers seek to strengthen the family, and to affirm its independence. These two aims naturally, inevitably, go together. “ (more)

Cal Thomas laments that Republicans are gasping for air, but says that Democrats are in worse shape.

“In former days, Republicans had ideas. They even had an ideology from which those ideas sprang. They forced the media and liberal Democrats to debate those ideas and the country was better off for it. Now, in just 12 years of majority status, they may be about to do what it took Democrats 40 years to achieve - disgust the public to the point that it wants to clean house (and possibly the Senate, too).

The problem is Democrats have fewer ideas than Republicans. They, too, crave power for its own sake and would return to their failed class warfare of the past, the only warfare they support. They will grow government even more than Republicans have and they will raise taxes and retreat from engaging America's enemies, thus encouraging those enemies to come after us with renewed zeal and an assurance that God is on their side. “ (more)

Tony Blankley says the Democrats just haven’t done the preparation necessary to be the ruling party again.

“Rarely in the annals of American politics has an opposition party been less well prepared for governance than today's congressional Democratic Party. They have not used their decade in the wilderness constructively.

Instead of going through a period of self-assessment, reappraisal, re-organization and thoughtful reconsideration of their views on the great issues of our time (as the congressional Republicans did in the decade prior to their re-taking the House and Senate in 1994), the congressional Democratic Party has indulged in a decade of power envy, scandal mongering and vicious internecine fighting and name calling.” (more)

Blankley continues in his next piece with some hints on how to spot the stay-at-home-on-Election-Day crowd:

“Here are some telltale signs of the sort of person who would vote (or not vote) to cause the election of a party that would act to defeat every value and interest he holds dear (merely because the party that will at least try to advance most of those issues has not done as well as he might have hoped):

1) When offered by a car dealer 25 percent off on a car, he insists on paying the full factory-recommended retail sticker price -- because he is damned if he will accept 25 percent when he deserves 30 percent off.

2) When the prettiest cheerleader asks the nerd to take her to the prom, he turns her down -- just because he can.

3) When stopped for doing 70 in a 65 zone, he tells the trooper that's not possible because he had the cruise control set on 90 -- he just resents being falsely charged.

4) When diagnosed with a serious illness, he promptly cancels his medical insurance -- in order to save the cost of premium payments to help pay for the upcoming hospital stay. “ (more)

And to sum it all up, Bishop Harry Jackson Jr. lists the consequences of Democratic control:

“As a black evangelical, I’ve had to think about the unpleasant prospect of a Democratically-controlled House and Senate. If the Democrats are in power, the following problems will occur: 1) There will be no protection of traditional marriage, 2) Abortion-on-demand will be encouraged, 3) Religious freedoms will be attacked, 4) The tax-exempt status of many Christian organizations will be revoked, 5) Massive amnesty will be given to illegal aliens, 6) Border protection will not be enforced, 7) We will lose clear and consistent vigilance on the war on terror, and 8) Abandonment of the Iraq war will occur without strategic understanding.” (more)

In a free democratic society, exercising our voting rights may be easy to do, but nobody promised it would be an easy decision. Conservatives and religious voters face a choice this November. The Democrat leadership and their liberal allies know which choice they want you to make. Do you?

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Sorry Kimberly
Is your memory long enough to remember the last time those polls were right. If they run true to form the Democrats have already lost.

Take heart though. You managed to block Voter ID so now you Democrats can still vote your pets and dead relatives and pay the "Homeless" to each vote several times.
No one but George Soros wants you "New Progressives" to win.

Be careful what you pray for Kimberly. You might be as sorry as we are if you got it.

Stuck on stupid?
If conservatives sit this one out or vote Libertarian, we certainly will be.

Aunt B
Sorry, but I'm going Libertarian. Conviction has to count eventually. I'm most definately NOT an Evangelical.

Yes I Am!

Hi,
I've got to say, I'm getting a bit tired of being called names for voting (or NOT voting) my conscience.

You are correct, that all those columnists are writing column after column, denigrating those of us who intend to sit out this election - based upon principle, not stupidity.

I know several people who intend to sit it out, and they are wildly better informed than the general population on the relevant politics, and the consequences of this election. Not one of us is stupid, or frivolous, nor would we insist on paying more for a car, or going someplace else when offered good health care.

My decision is based on logic, and a calculated risk, in hopes of a far greater outcome in future.

* This year, Congressmen and Senators will be elected, but not the President, so even with a full sweep, the Democrats will not control this country in War, or even all that much domestically. (The President "can" veto anything substantially against his views, though you wouldn't know it, so far.)

* In the event of a full sweep, Democrats will make fools of themselves for all to see. Deluded into believing they are true gods, they will finally tip their hands to the whole country, and finally be forced state a real position on something - other than that they hate Bush.

* We're all in agreement that the Republicans in Congress and the Senate are out of control, power mad, wasteful, deceitful, and they are going against the wishes of the very people who put them in office on waaay too many policies to mention. Other than degrees, there is no real difference in what will happen, no matter who wins, and since there is No way to remove an Incumbent Republican, except to allow a Democrat to win, I am forced to allow that to happen.

* I will not vote for a Democrat, and it is my hope that in sitting out this one time, rather than voting for the opposition, it will be obvious to Republicans running that I did not switch parties, I simply did not see a Republican on the ballot. It is a calculated risk that the next set of candidates on the Republican ballot in 2008 will be real Republicans, and not just more RINO's.

* The Presidential election in 2008 is wildly more important than one mid-term Congressional election. Current Front Runners are John McCain, Rudy Giuliani, and ever more RINO's. A message needs to be sent ASAP that this will not fly. I will never vote again, if my only choices are for Democrats, or Democrats running as Republicans.

Please know that I am fully aware of the damage the Democrats can do to this country, and am horrified that this is my only option.

I have written to my representatives repeatedly, on Immigration matters, and other policies of vital importance to me, and this country as a whole. I was responded to in a devious manner, with assurances that agreement was held by all. Then I found that voting patterns for my representatives and all of Congress were completely contrary to what I was led to believe.

I frimly believe that if the current Republicans win again, while being as corrupt and deceitful as they have been to their constituants, they will be even more emboldened, and my desire for meaningful representation will be completely dismissed from now on. If they win, There will be millions more illegals in this country legally - and voting. There will be no attempt to stop ever more from coming. Taxes will be raised, and the war will continue to be prosecuted with limp wrists, and whiney hand wringing over hurting the terrorists feelings. All those things will come to pass, regardless of who wins this time, so the only thing I can hope for, is the 2008 election candidates.

I believe that these con men need to be removed, to make room for men of honor, who will actually represent the will of the people who elected them. If not out of honor, then out of fear of being tossed out. I don't like it, but I can live with it.

All I ask of you, is that you not treat me as being frivolous or stupid, when there is nothing frivolous or stupid about my choice,


Sincerely, Karen M.

PS I'm kind of at a loss to see how you can blindly vote Republican, when the Republicans are so clearly taking your vote for granted, and going after those voters who are not Republican. They can take me for granted, thinking I have no choice but to vote for them - or a worse Democrat, but they will have made a mistake. I have a third option. I can stay home.

They need to learn that lesson now, and this is the time to teach it.

Failure to vote (R) serves the enemy
Punishing politicians should not be the aim of your ballot. You will miss your target and hit all of us.

I am an independent minded person too, but pragmatically speaking, small minorities have no chance to make it. I regret trying that option in the past. The only thing that resulted was several years of wasted time as the Democrat 'changed' things for the worse.

The Republicans ain't perfect, but that's a good thing. Can you imagine how that would effect the self-esteem of the Democrats? We would have a nation of suicidal, depressed freeloaders.

Politicians don't "Learn" from your vote
It's a mob out there. Especially in politics. You don't "teach them a lesson". You only weaken them so they get even more timid, walk on more eggshells, fear more retribution, etc, etc,

You can't effect meaningful change by threatening people with unemployment. Neither do you recruit better talent by not showing up at the polls. You will get better politicians, not by allowing the really bad ones to take over, but by preventing such.

Status Quo Voting?
If we all just keep voting Republican because the Dems are such a terrible alternative, how do we ever fit the Republican Party and obtain the kind of government we should have?

Like Celtic-dragon (above) I am not interested in pushing a religious agenda, and I would like to see ethical behavior, less spending, lower taxes, and a smaller federal government. The Republican Party no longer represents these values.

KM Just another shill
I'm tired of you whiny libs coming over here and crying,I won't vote on principal.

SHUT UP!

Learn from the past
In one election, I voted out the Republican by voting for a new guy, just starting out. All it did was empower the Democrats and give them a lock on power in my state. Good move? Not at all.

It made me feel better - but only temporarily. All the chickens eventually came home to roost and I felt like the married man who stepped out on his wife. 10 seconds of pleasure and a lifetime of regret.

Republican party DOES represent the good
The party as a whole does a fairly decent job of running the country. All politics involves some compromise. Study your history. A party that can't learn the fine art of negotiation will splinter, fragment, fall apart. But will Phoenix arise from the ashes? You won't believe that if you take history as your guide.

You non-voters, and vote-witholders, are not very historically astute.

When, in this life, have you ever been able to get %100 per cent of your agenda. In any area? Discontent is what makes us continue to strive for something better. Is there something better than Republican? Well, certainly. But you have to work for it. You can't just wish it so, stay home, and expect it to appear. If you don't tend your garden, the weeds will choke out every plant.

If you don't put Republicans in power, expect the weeds to make a ruin of your country, as in Nancy Pelosi and her first 100 days which she has promised to do.

I will never succumb to Democrat philosophy, ever, regardless of how the elections turn out. But my life will be infinitely worse if Democrats come to power.

Nonvoters will punish their fellow citizens, not the politicians.

John Paul Stevens is 85 years old
I understand the impulse of "hold-your-nose" voting, as one reader put it. I don't understand staying home. (If you really feel that strongly about it, then go to the polls and vote for your friendly neighborhood Democrat, Green Party or Communist Worker's Party member. Make their day!)

However, let me also remind people that Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens - that brilliant bulb who gave us the land-robbing Kelo v. New London decision (among others) - is 85 years old. He has promised he won't step down. But he certainly could change his mind. And, of course, the end does come to us all. Handing the Senate over the to Democrats will ensure that, if JPS leaves or dies within the next two years, we will get a Supreme Court justice whose grasp of property and other rights is every bit as clouded and confiscatory.

People who profess to care about that sort of thing would do well to remember the judiciary on November 7th.

Do you people remember Perot?
We would never have had to deal with Clinton.
So go ahead and vote your "So Called" conscience.
Just throw it all away.
I live near SanFrancisco,you don't want a Nancy Pelosi in any form of power.

Personally I think you're a bunch of Dolts!

OK Already!
Now that conservatives have given our Republican leadership the devil for the last few months it is time we return that devil to the Democrats by electing and re-electing Republicans in every district.

GEM

Amen, We have to stick together!
I know you may have to hold your nose to vote a straight GOP Ticket this year but it is better that voting Independent and handing power over to Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Patrick Leahy, Teddy Kennedy, Barak Obama, and their ilk.
Do you really want to erode the headway we made in the Supreme Court? We need to stay the course. Is it fun? Is it tough? Yes! But it is so important, no its is critical that we do not go back to allowing the libs to take over.
Come on Conservatives, hang in there! We have to stick together to make things better.
God Bless you!
P.S. To you liberals who hang out here, Kimberly and DonaldD, I pray that God gives you a clue before election day!

Kimberly, Liberal drive by media polls
Do not count for much. We all know how those polls go. They start out like "Do you plan to vote Democratic, or be stupid and vote GOP this year?"

Definitely GOP
I too have contemplated Libertarian voting as a viable choice. I've read some books and visited the website, but they haven't got enough national prominance to carry an election. All voting for them will do at this point is take away votes from the GOP which will ensure a liberal victory. When they get invited to a debate they will be a force to reckon with. Why they aren't invited is beyond me. I have to say I don't agree entirely with their platform either.

I'm staying with GOP for now, I know what awaits if the libs get control of the House. Higher taxes, the economy will drop as will the Dow. Unemployment will rise, except for illegal aliens of course as they are let in by the millions un-abated. No human rights for Iraqi's, or Darfur as they will do nothing as usual. Free Tibet is just a slogan, they don't really care about actual human rights violations. The troops will be abandoned, as well as national security. We will have a horrible terrorist attack to look forward to if libs get control of the House and repeal the Patriot Act and the NSA programs. We know how easily they operated when Clinton "left them alone" so they would leave us alone. Yeh right.

Vote for the best people for the job, Vote GOP to be sure of continued success. When a viable second party presents itself then maybe we'll have a real choice.

Remember the look
On Kerry's face when the exit polls had him as a winner.
And then the real results came in from the one poll that counted.
The voter!

So read all the polls you want,but you know as well as I'once you sit down and seriously look at the ballot,you realize the enormity of your decision.
I know you will vote conservative.

Scaring Values Voters Away
I wasn't going to bother registering (I recently moved) but after the Mark Foley story broke I did register so I could support the Republican candidates in my state. The demoleftwackomedia blitz trying to drive values voters away had the opposite effect on this one.

Vote the
suckers out....every one of them in office today.I will vote you can bet on that but I will not vote for a single incumbent...voting for the worst of two evils must be done as both parties are disgustingly self-serving, greedy, dishonest, egocentric, immoral, traitors and betrayers of America...the republicans have had six years and we have given them all three branches of government to take some action...they have failed nearly every conservative cause...and you expect me to reward this crowd of losers for failing America? The "vote them all out" theme is gaining traction and yes it would likely put democrats in control...imagine forcing President Bush to exercise his veto pen?? Wake up America, no cost is to great to save our nation and restore representative government to the people...send a message loud and clear..we have had it with both parties.

Whistling past the graveyard
You said it all KM....and in truth it doesn't matter what the 'vote R' crowd thinks now...they'll get more hysterical as the day of reckoning grows ever closer useing the same old tired arguments, shaking the same old bogey man...they stole what conservatives built and now want us to give it to them because they like the power. Tough!

Look out 'Vote R' types...here comes speaker Nasty Pelosi...

For what it's worth
I've been thinking about this issue a lot, I find that there are legitimate points on either side. I think I would ultimately come down on the side of vote even if you need to hold your nose. Anyway, following a conversation on BrianR's blog (shameless plug, as if he needs one) I was inspired to mangle Shakespeare in the hopes of contributing something to the debate.

To vote, or not to vote: that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous RHINOs,
Or to take arms against a sea of ‘moderate’ Republicans,
And by opposing end them? To lose the House: the Senate;
No more Speakers; and by a loss to say we end
The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks
That the Republican Party is heir to, is this a consummation
Devoutly to be wish'd for? To lose, to sleep;
To sleep: perchance to dream of 2008: ay, there's the rub;
For in that sleep of loss what dreams may come
When we have shuffled off the burden of leadership,
Must give the RNC pause: there's the respect
That makes calamity of so long in power;
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
The incumbent’s wrong, the proud Senators’ contumely,
The pangs of despised love, the delay of judicial appointments,
The insolence of office and the Dems
That patient vote of the conservative the unworthy RHINO takes,
When he himself might his quietus make
With a vote for border controls? who would the burden of the GWOT bear,
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after elected office,
The undiscover'd country of minority status that due to McCain-Feingold
No traveller returns, puzzles the will
And makes us rather bear those elected Republicans we have
Than fly to third parties that we know not of?
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all;
And thus the native hue of Conservative principles
Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of retaining both Houses,
And enterprises of great pith and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry,
And lose the name of action. - Soft you now!
The fair Ann Coulter! Nymph, in thy orisons
Be all my sins remember'd.

If the Republicans
do lose one or both houses of Congress, it will be because Americans have lost trust in them, because Republican constituents feel like it doesn't make that much difference who is in power, because the people feel betrayed....Why would they feel that way? Because it's true – they have been betrayed by an incompetent and arrogant Republican Party leadership in the White House and Congress. I didn't need a former Bush administration official to tell me that most White House political operatives don't really like the evangelical base that brought them to power. I've seen the evidence for myself...Joseph Farah

What good is the Republican Party?
What has the Republican Party shown us, other than we should elect one set of perverts and thieves over another? Jonathan, you like all the other writers attempt an 11th hour drum beating session to stave off the barbarians at the gates. What you fail to understand is that you have become the barbarians.

Why should the Republican Party stay in power? It is a failure for many reasons. Occasionally a good candidate like Tom Coburn gets through, but the usual practice is that conservative candidates are actively stopped from getting Party support. They are considered unelectable.

Instead the expert pragmatists in the Party give us candidates like George Bush and Bob Dole. You threaten us and call us stupid. You will blame us for not supporting you and giving victory to the Democrats.

You are the one who is stupid. You are bringing disaster. You actively work against the candidates of principle and character and promote “electable” fools and compromisers.

You represent the Neville Chamberlain philosophy. You cower and say we must not offend, we must not take a stand otherwise we might loose an election. You tell the people who actually believe in something they must wait, the timing is not right.

The waiting is over. Your cowardly ways have brought this on your own head. Christians were welcomed into the Party until they wanted something. Maybe it is time for Christians to form a third party. Then we might actually have a chance of getting something for our vote.

If you want to drum up support for a Republican victory, don’t come out and say we are marginally better that the Democrats. Why don’t you list all of the shining accomplishments of the Republicans?

1. Invasion of a country that didn’t attack us.
2. Trying to make a silk purse out of that country.
3. Attempted amnesty and open borders
4. Unprecedented debt
5. Unprecedented pork barrel spending
6. Bribery
7. Harriet Miers
8. Foreign control of our ports
9. Expanding harmful trade arrangements
10. Alienation of the Soviet Union
11. Exporting our prosperity to China

If you want conservative support for RINO republicans, why don’t you support conservative Republicans (i.e. Katherine Harris)?

NRAlifer
Thanx buddy.
I'm loading your page as I type.
I'm on dialup...loading....still loading...loa...l.

ziggy
It would be so easy being Liberal,just lick your finger,stick it in the wind,see what the MSM are saying and step right in line and Whine.

Although it isn't very hard being conservative.
You just do what is right,and you know instinctively,that more than half the Nation is in total agreement.

timf ??????
I'm curious,tell me what is it like on your planet?'

You wrote: "10. Alienation of the Soviet Union

We did'nt alienate them,
we Anilated them!
They no longer exist!

Again I ask,is nice in Utopia?

timf & name calling?
What name would describ someone who would do this?

You only get one chance to be a child and go to school. Democrats are loathsome creatures who cheat children of their only chance for an education by using the classroom as a captive audience for political orientation.
They graduate children who can't find a place in our society because they can't even read and write well enough to fill out an application for employment. They know all the Leftist
environmental propaganda though. They know about
Global Warming and how Republicans starve children and pollute all the air and water in America and give tax breaks to the wealthy but they can't add a column of two figures!
These disgusting teachers place their insane partisan politics before their students chance for a future. Democrats think their cause
justifies any means or sacrifice by our children.

What name would you call them?
Is there a name that filthy in our language?
"Democrat" is about the worst name I know.
Does any sane American think Democrats should have MORE power?

Two Party System must change
Your comments are all well taken, but we must realize that the GOP have arrogantly ignored the entire immigration issue for a long time. It appeared that deaf ears were all they had. The Senate was unbelieveable in their stance on this subject. Many Democrats were leading the way for Republicans (RINOS)to follow, those Senators have to go, both Democrat and Republicans. No country can long survive with this horrendous tax burden on our citizenry. Both parties are afraid to get rid of the illegal aliens, for they fear its effect on the economy of our nation. If these people are legislated out of our land, we will see a drop in many industries, but we cannot support the horde that have decided to illegally immigrate to America, and in turn support those of our own nation who also require financial aid! Not while we keep outsourcing jobs to nations worldwide. These are merely two issues that are extremely complex and should be worked on between both parties, but they act like spiteful children who cannot get along with each other. It is my constant fear that the citizens of our nation will one day awaken, march on Washington in sheer desperation, and begin decorating trees and lamposts with the bodies of insensitive Congress men, of both houses. When the negotiations stop, then mob rule is not far away. I pray that our nation never reaches that point, but many of my prayers have not been answered. I am lucky, my path is short, those of you who are now young, might be quite a bit older when that mob day comes to pass, but if things do not change to cooperation between the parties and exchanges of ideas are hammered into workable documents, the mobs will come to their capitols and wage demonstrations of power, not petitions, for when Congress ignores petitions, then the only recourse is to take the goverment away from those who cannot run it. Yes, this even refers to the Supreme Court! The Seniors in our nation have witnessed many travesties of trust. I first voted in 1952 and I have not missed an election yet, except once when I was too ill to vote. I urge all of you to go out and vote, and I do hope and pray that you will continue to support the Republican party, but I believe there are many changes that have to come about in our country or there will be Libertarian leaders and the size of the government will decrease each year until they have learned to operate within their budgets and heed the word of the voters. May God bless America and lead those still in charge to greater wisdom and less in-fighting and "pork barrel revenge on the opposition!"

Sitting Out the Election
I hope no conservative is planning on sitting out the election. My son, who is 19, is currently in the Marines, and is due to go to Iraq in January. If the Democrats are allowed to win Congress because conservatives didn't go out to vote, then our enemies will see us as the same weak nation that was headed by Clinton in the 90s, and attacks on our troops will increase. My son's life, as well as all other men and women in the military, will be at risk in greater numbers than if the Republicans, with all their warts, are not returned to Congress. I will be waiting with baited breath on November 7th because I feel my son's life is resting on the election results.

tmf' NRAlifer
You wrote"
11. Exporting our prosperity to China.
Check out this little nugget.
Owned by John Kerry's wife.

28 manufacturing plants (Heinz) outside of the U.S. in places like Asia, Mexico and Europe.(Source: US News and World Report)
Compliments of NRAlifer.
You can see his posts,just click on his underlined name on his post.
Thanx NRAlifer,just a plug for ya.
I'm still reading you page.

Karen M . . .
Not voting for Republicans so that they can be taught a lesson is not a viable strategy.

During Clinton's first term, Republicans were confident that, after 4 years of the Arkansas Bumpkin aka Slick Willie (not to mention the HillaryGrendel), voters would flock to the Republican Party.

In 1996, Republicans ran a lack-luster campaign with a reluctant candidate (Bob Dole), thinking that it was in the bag. They were so wrong.

Besides retaining the majority in congress, Republicans need to control the committee chairs. If Democrats get control of the system, we'll be in really big trouble. Say "adios" to your tax cuts and "ola" to open borders.

Is THIS a reason to vote Republican?
Didn't Congress pass the Secure Fences Act of 2006 authorizing funds for that fence? And didn't the President sign it into law?

No... Not exactly.

Yes, Republican leaders passed the Secure Fences Act of 2006 almost three weeks ago, and went before television cameras, strutting and crowing... proclaiming that they had finally heard and heeded the demands of the American people!

And three weeks later, that fence bill -- which passed both houses of Congress -- is sitting in limbo... no one has bothered to put it on the President's desk!

But what about the bill the President signed? Wasn't that the Secure Fences Act of 2006?

The answer is NO.

The legislation the President signed was an appropriations bill that allocates $1.2 billion in funding to the Department of Homeland Security. And, you and your fellow Americans were led to believe that the $1.2 billion was earmarked for the construction of the fence!

But guess what! If you read that bill, you will find that the lion's share of the $1.2 billion in that appropriations bill DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SPENT ON THE FENCE!...Excerpted from Human events,circa 10/19/2006



ziggy
From your post I take it you are for a fence if a Repub. is for it.
Or am I wrong you're against it if a Demo. did'nt front the bill.
What are you waiting for the wind to change,or orders from Air America...OOPS! sorry about their death.
So I guess I'm asking,What is your Point?

Now answer,and return to your cartoon strip.

Solar
You either don't read well or lack in comprehesion on that you do read if you think I'M a fence sitter.

To The "vote R at all costs' believers.

(A)Toomey was running in the primary against Specter...instead of staying out of the primary the party attacked conservative Toomey and supported liberal Specter.

(B)Conservative McClintock was the party nominee for the office of California govenor in 2002...the party refused to support him...post election analysis showed McClintock could have won with a little support in 4 districts.

(C)Grey Davis was recalled and Republicans once again vie'd for the opportunity to run for govenor, including conservative McClintock...the party supported liberal Arnold..

(D) Liberal Chaffe was being challanged in the primary for RI Senator...the party attacked the conservative candidate in support of the liberal candidate....even stateing if Chaffee lost the primary they would pick pick up their marbles and go home.

(E)In the Arizon 8th liberal Republican Kolbe retired. Conservative Randy Graf ran in the primary to be the candidate for that open seat. The Republican party attacked Graf in support of a more liberal candidate.

(F)Randy Graf won that nomination despite party hostility...The republican party left and refused to support the peoples choice.

Tell me again why conservatives should be supporting the party on November 7th.

Oh, I forgot...the bogey man! Nasty Pelosi.

The Supreme Court
Laura Hollis, yes John Paul Stevens is 85 years old but let's also remember who put him there in the first place -- Republicans! The same can be said for other "Strict Constructionists" such as Anthony Kennedy, David Souter, and Sandra O'Connor. He!!, it was only a year or two ago when Bush tried to give us Harriet Miers. I'm going to vote for my Republican congressman, but I don't think that invoking the fears of a Supreme Court realignment under Democrats is necessarily a valid arguement given the Republicans' less then stellar performance in this area.

Now is not the time
to sit out, or make a change. I too, am extremely dissatisfied with our Republican ledership. My paternal line has been Republican since 1860 and I first registered as one in 1977. For many years I held the opinion that it din't matter what "thieves" were in charge. Like others, I too, sat out of some elections as a protest and what did we get? Good ole Slick Willie. I have researched the third party choices available to me and there is no viable alternative at this point. The Libertarians are fiscal conservatives but are liberal or neutral on social issues. The America First Party and Constitution Party (don't see any difference between the two) while attractive in many ways, are isolationist. Voting for any third party to me, is tantamount to throwing my vote away. What we need is a major grassroots movement after this election. Our 1st and 2nd Amendment rights are at stake here! We need to be in this for the long haul with ling term goals in mind. Even if the only thing we get by voting Republican is a more conservative judiciary, it will be worth it.

Due to my dismay with the direction the Republican Party has taken over the last several years, I have been a registered Independant, but shortly after this election will change my registration back to the Republican Party in order to effect changes in the primaries. That is all we can do unless we do have a major grassroots movement to either make a change or come up with a viable 3rd party choice.

the counterpoint
Hello all,
1. Nothing is going to happen in the next two years, including a change in SCOTUS.
2. Those of us rightwing or liberterian or evangelical or conservative or nativist or neocon bloggers (see above) will be reenergized in 2008 for the real fight against islamoenabling, Kim Jung Il appeasing Billarycare. Our current leadership is utterly incapable of carrying on our good fight against these demons.
3. I can see the same columnists - Blankley, Medved, Hewett, Parker... - writing about how the Republican leadership squandered their chance for the last six years. Unfortunately, we will have to wait until AFTER the election and Pelosi is speaker to read their words castigating these weak-kneed, porkridden, earmarked GOP leaders (an oxymoron.)
I can hardly wait to see the new crop of untainted Republicans with real ideas and real courage and real knowledge of Public Choice - and the courage to fight the temptations of power - to emerge in 2007 and 2008.

I refuse to incent the current crop of GOP chickens any longer.
Best regards,
TimC

Ziggy
From your posts,you are bleeding heart without conviction.

As for McClintock,he should run for President.
He is a true conservative.
But here in Calif. he had a snowballs chance in He!! of winning.
I did'nt vote for Arnold,the Republican party held it's nose,and backed him.
Because our legislature is 65% dems. and very very corupt.
They knew if a lib was elected,we would lose this State to the Socialists.
Clear and simple.
Now re read your post and ask me a clear question.
Your're all over the map.
Are you for a fence or not?

Solar
Guess

Solar
That Heinz gal contributes big bucks to an Ismamic charity that supports Hamas.

If you think everything any Republican does should please you or you will vote Democratic, can you truthfully say everything every Democrat does now pleases you?
Are you naive enough to think any Republican here wants open borders?
Do you think all Republicans agree with everything President Bush does?
I personally think the Bush appointment of Alberto Gonzales for Attorney Genral was equal to Clinton's apointment of Maxine Waters as Surgeon General. CERTAINLY REPUBLICANS HAVE FAULT but they are the less of two evils.
I think you are a Democrat and intend to vote Democrat but you better pray they lose because we will blame you for every dumb or Anti-American thing they do and you will never hear the end of it.

Tim
And the left can do better?
Remember the words to,some where over the rainbow.
The left is living in a pipe dream,in combating terrorism.

Open Borders
Sorry, but Ziggy is right. The president has absolutly NO INTENTION of sealing our borders. Because, he is in the pocket of the business lobby. He wants a "North American Union", and I'll NEVER trust someone that would sell out his own country.

And another thing, did the Congress REALLY stop the UAE from buying our port operations? Nope! The deal went through and all we got was a "promise" to divest themselves of it. Have they done that? Nope! Is there any law requiring them to do that? Nope!

Same with the railroads.

Bush talks big about "defending America", but the proof is in the pudding. Our borders are still open, the UAE controls many of our port operations, and we are still in danger of terrorist attacks.

Sorry, I don't "give" my vote to anyone. They have to earn it. No one running has, so I'm staying home. If the Republicans were really interested in their jobs, they would have done something about the issues me and millions of other Americans have been shouting about. But, it's all about money, not saving the country. They made their bed, now they can sleep in it.

I am not of this world. So although it pains me to see it destroyed by those I trusted to save it, according to the Bible, it's inevitable anyway. All I can do is trust in God and seek His kingdom, leaving this world to who it belongs to. Those of you "values voters" so concerned about saving the GOP from itself is like someone watching the movie "Titanic" and hoping that the ship doesn't sink in the end. Jesus told you what was going to happen, and he told you not to worry about it. If you have faith in Him, you have to trust in Him.

Ziggy
Actually, it is a reason to vote Republican. Do you think we would get anything other than amnesty from the Democrats? President Bush and the Senate haven't been strong on immigration, but we can't forget that it had been the conservative side of the Republican party that held up amnesty and fought for the proper protection of our borders. We are the ones building the wall. If we drop out, it won't be built.

MyOpine
I have to assume you misread my post to NRAlifer,Do you understand a sarchastic remark when you see it.
Read some of my earlier posts and you will find I'm a disabled vet who is father right than most who post here.
Conservative first,Repub. second!
Or did you just accidently post to me yet meant to post to some bleeding heart?

This Sums it Up

.....Sean Hannity had one of his man on the street segments the other day...

.....six people were stopped at random and shown six pictures...Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Denny Hastert, Jessica Simpson, Alex Baldwin and Paris Hilton...

.....none recognized Pelosi, Reid or Hastert...all identified Simpson, Baldwin and Hilton...all claimed to be Democrats....

....when potential voters have as little political awarness as a gnat...then we can only hope that either they do not vote...or else get up off our butts and vote to cancel them out so that the sheeple do not control our destiny.....COLOSSUS

Better than the other option
The Republicans are not perfect and I do not agree with everything they do, but they come a whole, whole lot closer than the Democrats! There is just too many good solid reasons to vote Republican and almost No good solid reasons to vote Democratic. If the liberals win in November and then in 2008, all of Europe will be controlled by the radical Islamic forces.

Then take three guesses what country will be their next focus for take over. Yes, it is the good old USA folks. But by then our military will be ineffective due to constant cut backs, just as it was under Carter and Clinton, and we will be vunerable! The control of the East as well as Europe has already began.

MyOpine
Still Waiting!

Just a Warning
In Milwaukee they're already talking about "problems" with the voting booths! My husband and I, for the first time, will be obtaining absentee ballots and voting Republican as fast as we can--the Dems are up to something again and this time I fear it's not just "slashing tires" of Republican vehicles.
I'm sorry but it IS stupidity if anyone sits out this vote--it proves you're not a worthy citizen of these (still great) United States. Put up or shut up....

NRALifer
is right. Too many good men are dead for our liberties for us too squander them. Vote.

P.S.
Okay, Jonathan Garthwaite--I'm new to this "posting" thing, but you're adorable!!!! Cute AND smart--nice combination!!!
I suppose now I'll get sued for some sort of God knows what.....

Mr. Garthwaite
You, and Mr. Blankley, and others at townhall
are preaching to the wrong crowd. You should
be (and should have been) preaching to the
republican party. They got themselves in this
election mess.

NRAlifer
Let's not forget how the Dems handed out cigarettes and free rides to the booths to the homeless in Milwaukee....
Not to mention the vast amount of dead people who rose up from the graves just in time to vote...

Sorry Solar
I misread one of your posts. Reading your previous posts enlightened me.
Vet too? I left high school to enlist and in 1945 I was awarded a limp instead of a Deploma.

Yes that makes me a priceless antique but I never fealt old till I left a barbershop and one young woman told another to move and let that old man with the cane go by. Cane in hand I looked around for the old man with the cane in his hand so I could let him by.

MyOpine
"Cane in hand I looked around for the old man with the cane in his hand so I could let him by."

That's too funny.
I had a similar situation,I totally understand.

As to fault,don't worry'when I wrote it I wondered if it made sence,I guess it did'nt.
It's not the first time I've made a convoluted post.
If I do it again,atleast you know I screwed up,point it out to me,I may have had something inteligent to say...(: Key word: "may"
Now let's shread the left.

Dem Incumbents: The Obstructionists
Under the banner of The Bulletin, Don Kunz, who has continually played the hypocritical gamesmanship ploy of bantering too and applauding the obstructionist tactics of the Demogogues, now is pushing the defeat of all incumbent Congressional House and Senate Members, especially the Republican members - who supposedly control both houses - because they've failed miserably in agreeing on and passing meaningful immigration and security legislation. This may be true, but you'd have to admit that nearly every effort to take action has been met with major setbacks engineered by the liberal left-wings of both the House and Senate. Everyone of those obstructionists, starting with Pelosi and Reid, ought to be put in prison for their treasonous activities and the ridiculous lies they've spun over issues and situations that put the nation in peril of survival. It's called Sedition....Can you imagine: Handing control of either house, or both, to the Demogogues will mean that our 230 year effort to build the world's most advanced society, including the union of 50+ individual states and territories, will be put in jeopardy of surviving one generation.... Think this extreme, review their voting records. You'd think that they were all in the hip pocket of, and working for, the enemies of the USA. It's necessary to oust every Demogogue obstructionist incumbent - and a couple of Republican extremists too - next month. Ru-the-day that these treasonous Demagogues slackers take control of either House.

Solar
Again, Sorry.
I was "Trained out and tracking" when I read you post and I took it wrong.
NRAlifer is right about where to aim. Have you gone to his blog yet?

http://noliberalspin.townhall.com/Default.aspx

It will keep you out of mischief for awhile.

Doesn't Really Matter
It’s NOT about Republicans or Democrats anymore so this little obfuscation is wearing thin.
The United States wasn’t created to be a democracy or the personal property of two parties but a Constitutional Republic. We now have a government, thanks to both political parties, whose business is not defending and upholding the constitution but in both large and small increments destroying it.
These arrogant s.o.b’s are both defecating on my glorious republic and I will not participate.
You can lie to yourselves if it makes you feel better but the truth is, in the long run, it doesn’t really matter on whom you waste your vote.

Doesn't Really Matter
It’s NOT about Republicans or Democrats anymore so this little obfuscation is wearing thin.
The United States wasn’t created to be a democracy or the personal property of two parties but a Constitutional Republic. We now have a government, thanks to both political parties, whose business is not defending and upholding the constitution but in both large and small increments destroying it.
These arrogant s.o.b’s are both defecating on my glorious republic and I will not participate.
You can lie to yourselves if it makes you feel better but the truth is, in the long run, it doesn’t really matter on whom you waste your vote.

Sorry Tillman
This country has been stolen. Your vote, much like Pat's death, is meaningless.

MyOpine
That's OK,I guess you could say I'm in truly good company,Cheney shot his good friend by accident.
I consider it friendly fire,maybe I should watch where I type,ya got me in the a55,good shot.
Don't worry about it,were on the same side.
I will consider you a friend.

I've been reading NRAlifer's page,he has some really good nuggets of information.

Republican Congress
I am amazed at the conservatives who have allowed themselves to be held hostage by the Republicans in Congress. Vote Republican or the the Republic will collapse. Looking at the record of this Congress none of them deserve to be relected! Voting Republican will doom us to at least 2 more years of nothing done on the borders, no tax cuts passed into law....Why didn't they just pass the tax cuts in the first place and make them perminent? Because they are gutless! ANYONE is a better choice than any of the current bunch in Congress. The third party candidates look so much stronger than any of the present candidates running as R or D.
The best thing we can do for the country is support third party candidates and get away from the current "two party" system as they are gradually merging into one party that doesn't really tolerate any competition.


Does not matter OWilde?
If you really don't care then why are you here at TH crying? We can't change your wet diaper by e-mail.

Mixednutz8 What a Dolt!
What is the message this week?
Go to conservative blogs,and convince them to waste a vote.
Go back to Air America....oops! a death in the family,I forgot...Ummm...Al Franken Yeah that's it go back and tell him it's Futile!
Were brainwashed and no not better.

OWilde: Show some class
The poor guy was killed serving his country.
Since he can't be here to defend himself.I will

At least he served his country,and don't come back claiming you did,I say right now YOU'RE A LIAR!
The only service you've done is: "Welcome to McSonalds,May I take your order."
So go flip a burger,Bu*t head!

No vet would speak of a fellow soldier like that!

2 words
Supreme Court

ilovit,me
The object of lifetime Judicial appointments is to keep our courtrooms free of partisan politics. When a judge bases his decisions on
partisan politics he defeats the very purpose of his lifetime appointment and violates public trust and therefore should be removed from the bench.

I think Congress can do that and a letter writing campaign might push them into it but as you imply, it is better to keep politicians off the bench in the first place.

no issues...
with that statement

Tim writes
"2. Those of us rightwing or liberterian or evangelical or conservative or nativist or neocon bloggers (see above)" directly under my post where I simply state my postion on this article and wether to vote or not. I have noticed that the term "neocon" seems to be used mot frequently by leftists and the occasional libertarian, usually meant as an slur, insult or to impune one's integrity. I will be 48 in december and have been a conservative both fiscally and socially since that time. Also, I must admit, that I had never heard the term "neocon" before comming to TH a few months ago, so I had to look up the definition. There is a good example at this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neocon. Having now read this link: you are out of your cotton picking gourd Timmy boy.

solar
Re: Your response to Owilde.

Right on bro!

Hi Goshawk
long time no speak to you.

Goshawk
Thanks Buddy!
He really Pis*ed me off!
Typical Liberal Scum,Absolutely No Class.

Hey TH is a little quicker,my dial up page load was cut in half,now it only takes 3 mins. per page. LOL

should have written
I will be 48 in december and have been a conservative both fiscally and socially since I first registered to vote in January of 78.

cat trapper
Hey cat! How ya be? I've been pretty busy lately.

BTW, good post to Tim!

solar
Only 3 minutes! LOL!

Goshawk
Goshawk... been awful busy myself. Don't have all the firewood cut and "primitive" deer season starts next weekend. Gonna take the .50 cal TC out tomorrow and sight it in.

Ya know, I'm pretty upset with the R leadership we have right now, but in no way can I advocate not voting or voting 3rd party. Either one is like giving my vote to the dims. Maybe the R's do deserve to loose, but it will not be by my hand! Just think of all the new chairpersons we would have on some very important committees. I'm not about to throw the baby out with the bath water!

Solar
I too, appreciate your responses to owilde. You are correct, no vet would speak that way! Above my desk I have a framed copy of a letter written to me by my eldest son's platoon commander. His name was Lt. Winchester. When the 1st Bat., 7th Marines redeployed to Iraq for their second tour the above mentioned Lt, who had transfered to Weapons Co., was killed by an IEOD along with 6 other Marines. My son knew everyone of them. It would be extremely imprudent for us to empower the left, and thus embolden the Islamofacists Enemy by abstaining from the election.

cat trapper
Thanks Cat'
Hey have you noticed the influx of MoonBats on here carrying on about third party voting?
I guess they got orders from Moveon.ugh
To try and convince us to not vote,or split the vote.
How stupid do they think we are.

Solar
Yeah, I've noticed. One of the things I find equally ridiculous, is some of the staements that Evangelicals and other "values voters" will stay home. Aint gonna happen!

Third Party Vote
Tell me what the difference would be if the Dems got the congress? They already have the majority with the "moderate" Republicians like Snow and Specter, etc. You are just going to reward their talking like conservatives and acting like liberals.
If the Republicians win the congress it will be by a slim margin that will leave them as powerless as they have acted for the past 6 years.
But if you guys feel you are doing the right thing by voting for those politicians who will promise you everything on the conservative agenda and then forget everything they promised. Go for it, my point is there is not that much of a difference if either party wins. They are both so out of touch with the voters they need to be shocked back to reality.
Like I said the conservatives are being held hostage by the Republician congress, the Republician party is not the only conservative party. Check out the Constitution party http://www.constitutionparty.org

Mixednutz8 and the difference.
The difference is that Democrats would aggravate an existing problem with crooked Democrat judges in our Justice System. If we had an Attorney General he would probably arrest all those leftist criminals. They were given the trust of a lifetime appointment so they could be free to dispense justice. Injecting their own political views into decissions is just the same as taking a bribe. They slant justice for their personal gain. I know you will not understand this because Democrats think any means is justified if it attains your ends. Does the same hold true for me? If I want something can I do ANYTHING I want to get it regardless of how unfair it is to you or how much pain and suffering I cause you?
As plain as I have made it, you still can't see it can you? Can you step to a neutral corner for a moment and see how Democrats conduct themselves? HOW CAN YOU STAND TO BE NEAR SUCH CORRUPT PEOPLE? Every decent man has a line he will not cross. Show me ONE dispicable thing a Democrat WILL NOT DO for political gain.
Now can you see what difference it makes who wins?

MyOpine and the difference
The difference is you are a Republician and I am a conservative. You want to keep rewarding the politicians who have left our borders open and let our schools fail because they are "Republicians" not conservatives. I have voted Republician for the past 25 years and to quote Zell Miller, " I didn't leave my party, my party left me."
Re electing the current batch of Republicians because they are currently in congress makes as much sense as giving illegal aliens amnesty because they are here in the US.

Can you say Jesse Ventura?
These are local elections, not national.
There are some good national leaders in the GOP, just as there are some in the Democratic party. That doesn't mean that I'm going to vote for Tom Kean, jr. I'm tired of voting for the sons of politicians who throw our livelihoods away.
Sorry, but the GOP has done absolutely nothing to merit my vote. They're likely to get one or two only if two conditions are met: the incumbent is a Democrat (my senator and representative) and there are no acceptable third party candidates. For me, it's the Constitution Party.
The GOP over the last eight years has shown me that there is no reason to vote for them. They don't represent my interests any longer. I've held my nose while voting quite enough, thank you. To heck with both the GOP and the Democrats. Both parties need to find themselves on the ash heap of history. We need people who will represent US. Anti-incumbent is my party for the next two elections, for starters. And this is from someone who voted happily for Ronald Reagan despite his stance on some issues. I'm not looking for 100% agreement. I just want someone who will defend this country. That is not the GOP. They're very good at "fighting over there so we don't have to fight them over here", but what are they doing to keep them from coming here in the first place? They're not interested in securing our borders. They're cheering the export of high-paying jobs even as they enable the illegal immigration of unskilled workers. They're not representing America. They aren't defending our Constitution. They're not providing for the common defense. They're not securing the blessings of liberty. Good-bye Republicans, unless your last name is Tancredo. Can you tell me the difference between Ted Kennedy and John McCain? I don't see it. McCain's heroics were decades ago. Today he's just another entrenched politician, willing to sell out the American worker. He's no better than Teddy who, like his son Patrick, never had to work a day in his life.

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Watch Aaron Russo's new documentary, "From Freedom to Fascism". It is very good.

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