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Friday, June 19, 2009
Jonah Goldberg :: Townhall.com Columnist
Et Tu, Big Business?
by Jonah Goldberg
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What did you do when capitalism died, Daddy?

I won't be surprised to hear that question from my daughter by the time she gets out of college, or should I say the State Mandatory Voluntarism Training Facility.

When liberals hear conservatives decry the death of capitalism, they titter and roll their eyes. "Oh, you paranoid right-wingers! You see Bolsheviks around every corner."

But such exasperation is the exhalation of concentrated ignorance. The absence of free markets isn't necessarily Bolshevism, or even socialism. Capitalism's death can come in many forms, by many different hands.

After all, not all of Julius Caesar's murderers thought alike. They were united in their belief Caesar had to go, not necessarily on what would replace him. Caesar fought off his attackers until he saw that among their number was Brutus, his friend. "Et tu, Brute?" he exclaimed; "You, too, Brutus?" It was not the enemy blows but his friend's betrayal that sapped his will to fight and brought his downfall.

Some historians claim Caesar actually said, "Tu quoque, fili mi?" or, "You too, my child?"

Whether that's more accurate, it certainly seems a more fitting declaration as the coup de grace of capitalism's murder is at the hands of its most successful child: big business.

Everywhere we look we see the great and once-great beneficiaries of free markets running to the state for protection from the cruel bullying of competition. On health care, insurance companies and others repeat the mantra that they want to be "at the table rather than on the menu," all the better to be positioned as a tax collector of the welfare state. General Motors and Chrysler have gone from being pimped-out prostitutes of the state to outright chattel more akin to the leather-bound gimp in "Pulp Fiction," eager to do the bidding of the president and the UAW.

Once-proud companies like GE have become seduced by global warming schemes, because they recognize that there's more money to be made selling white elephants to Uncle Sam than there is selling competitive products consumers want. Indeed, cap-and-trade taxes promise to deliver precisely the protectionist industrial policies the left has dreamed of for decades, only under a "progressive" label.

This week, Philip Morris, the biggest of the Big Tobacco companies, supported and won passage of an "anti-tobacco" bill that will make it easier for Philip Morris (a subsidiary of Altria) to sell cigarettes by making it harder for smaller, more innovative firms to compete. One way it will do that is by curtailing the First Amendment rights of tobacco companies, making it harder to advertise their products (including healthier alternatives to normal cigarettes). Philip Morris, maker of Marlboro and other established brands, already controls 50 percent of the market. That's why it lobbied government to keep it that way.

Also this week, the White House announced its plan to deal with "systemic risk" in the financial markets. The basic idea is that big firms -- giant banks, insurance companies, etc. -- cannot be allowed to fail if their failure threatens something called "stability." The Obama administration is confident that with its new organizational flow charts and enhanced job description for the Federal Reserve, bureaucrats will suddenly see clearly what they couldn't see before. These regulators will know exactly when bubbles get too big, when booms last too long, and when tens of thousands of managers, investors, actuaries and bankers make bad or sub-optimal decisions.

The problem, other than the shortage of Jedis and shamans to fill these posts, is that big companies will understand the surest way to attain immortality is to become too big to fail. Once they've achieved that privileged status, these companies will become de facto wards of the state, insured for life at taxpayer expense like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and in exchange they will do whatever Uncle Sam asks.

It's too soon to tell which companies will leap at the opportunity to sell their souls for immortality, but you can bet that many of those already suckling the TARP teat will be among the first to celebrate the sagacity of the new system.

While doctrinaire socialists might feel betrayed by liberalism's cozy embrace of big business, their betrayal pales in comparison to the bitterness of free-marketers who defend big business's freedom to operate, only to see these businesses use that freedom to hide behind the skirts of the nanny state. Real freedom means the freedom to fail as well as succeed. Big business wants to be protected from the former and deny competitors the latter. And their betrayal, more than anything, disheartens those who would defend both freedoms.

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As Kruschev said

The last capitalist will be hanged by a rope he himself sold.


Marx loved capital
His greed knew no bounds.

He just hated competition of free enterprise.

Jonah
I pronounce you the first honorary recipient of the "Best Person in the World Award". Congrats.

Suck on that Olberwoman.

Revoke the political rights of Big Inc.

A 19th Century supreme court decision granting corporations (legal persons) the same civil rights as natural persons (people) laid the foundation for the demise of economic freedom and capitalism.

Corporations exploit their civil rights in the political realm to purchase legislation that benefits them while harming their competitors, taxpayers and consumers. They are able to do so because the law treats them as natural persons with the same civil rights as natural persons, including the political rights to speak, assemble and petition government.

Perhaps we should examine revoking these political rights for for-profit corporations. At first blush, this suggestion appears to be very un-American. But consider first that while God granted certain inalienable rights to natural persons, did he also grant these same rights to legal persons? Looking at my suggestion from this point of departure, we see that there's some merit in it.

Why Trust Big Gov or Hybrid Monsters?
"Capitalism" is itself a Marxist term. It sets up a strawman for totalitarianist theory to bash. When you use the enemy's vocabulary, you risk buying into the enemy's premises & propaganda.

Free enterprise is great because it is self-correcting. The government cannot micromanage it (or it isn't free anymore) but instead must establish clear, objective, impartial limits on what is & isn't allowed, enforce contracts & titles, & defend them from robbers great & small. "Laissez-faire" is not anarchy.

The fact that free enterprise has to be protected & arbited by govmt is its great vulnerability. The causes & triggers of the Great Depression, the 1970's "stagflation," & this recession ALL trace back to deliberate government policies & manipulations.

If "big business" is distrusted, what is so trustworthy about big government, or worse yet all these neither-fish-nor-fowl hydrid abominations like the Fed & Fannie Mae? They too are run by human beings subject to error & greed.

Only in government can an institution like the Fed fail so spectacularly (if indeed it didn't succeed at a nefarious ulterior plot instead) and in response not be abolished, investigated, or put under more oversight, but instead be handed MORE broad arbitrary unaccountable power!

Jonah
The Hungarian proverb says: "He who plants wind will reap stroms". The Messiah worshipers have been dreaming of equality, fairness, free this and free that, reality, however, is fascism. One must be very careful about what one wishes, for it may come true. The Messiah is here, but instead of freedom from taxes we are likely to get hyperinflation, the cruelest tax imaginable.
Instead of equality we'll have predetermined winners and loosers. Pretty soon we shall not even be allowed to express any opinions contrary to the Messiah's views, if his references to FOX News, O'Reily, Hannity, Limbaugh, etc. are any indication. Our private and public life forms, based on the rule of law, free speech and respect for private property are being demolished brick by brick and rebuilt to suit the dictates of a statist and fascist dictatorship. Welcome "Brave New World!"

Let's Review

The Naked Emperor, Hank Paulson, was one of Fat Al Gore's partner in his carbon credit crap scam.

Paulson went on to become Chairman of the Board of Goldman-Sachs.

Bush's Treasury Secretary was no other than Paulson.

Geithner was the architect of TARP.

Both Paulson and Geithner drafted the AIG bailout.

Congress did NOT reserve its Constitutional right to reserve oversight.

The only non-gov individual in the bailout meetings was Paulson's successor at Goldman-Sachs.

Obama has continued the bailouts.

The Chairman of the Automotive Task Force is Brian Deese, a 31 year-old Yale Law School with zero experience in economics, finance, manfacturing or automotives. He did, however, work for two "Think Tanks", including one that was started by George Soros.

Steve Rattner has been chosen to head the automotive bailouts, even though he was a hack at the NYT. Rattner is building a $15mn mansion on Martha's Vineyard.

Edward E. "Ed" Whitacre, Jr., was the former Chairman at AT&T, who disregarded both internal and external counsel when he agreed to comply with FISA. On June 9, 2009, General Motors named Whitacre as chairman. Under the Obama Administration, he is scheduled to take the position when the automaker emerges from bankruptcy proceedings.

The Federal Reserve is going to hire Linda Robertson, who currently handles government, community and public affairs at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, and headed the Washington lobbying office of Enron Corp., the energy trading company that collapsed in 2002 after an accounting scandal. She was also an adviser to all three of the Clinton administration’s Treasury secretaries.

Now, who's kidding who?

This will all work great...
...as soon as the powers-that-be revoke those pesky laws of economics (Supply & Demand, etc.). Heck, they've already decreed the laws of thermodynamics to be null and void with the ridiculous expectations they've foisted upon the automotive and energy industries, this ought to be a snap.

Hayek said this 65 years ago
Read "The Road to Serfdom," in which he says that communism and fascism were essentially two sides of the same coin: totalitarianism.

Hayek observes that when government becomes overly entrenched in business (even assuming private ownership of business), business turns its attention to making government happy, rather than satisfying it proper constituents, the consumer.

What was true then is true now.

PLAYING MONOPOLY
The Baby Boomer generation grew up playing the game Monopoly because TV was in it's infancy, controlled by parents and al gore had yet to invent the internet.
The Baby Boomers in politics today took their Monopoly game skills to heart with the agenda of making the Game a Reality. They had their 'gameboard', America, in place and all the 'properties' identified (banks, companies, transportation, energy, insurances etc.), but they lacked the 'brains' to set their game of Monopoly in motion. Behind the scenes a genius, with wealth and the insatiable greed for power was watching. This 'Mastermind' knew that in order to seduce the American people into becoming 'pawns' of the government's Reality Game of Monopoly, an American 'idol' (controlled by the 'Mastermind's teleprompter'), would have to be elected to the Oval Office.
And so, the government's Reality Game of Monopoly began. Though the government is taking American taxpayers (Monopoly) money (and printing even more) to play with and spend, buying properties (banks, industries etc), We the People are NOT ALLOWED to play. The government will beome the 'One' and 'Only' Monopoly, owning and controlling EVERYTHING. Even when We the People have LOST it all, the 'Mastermind' of the 'Game' won't stop there. He'll have our government 'playing' Internationally, and in that 'Game', he'll make sure our entire Nation LOSES.
Only GOD knows, how the 'Game' ends.


Capitalist China
It feels odd to think of Communist China as more welcoming of investors and entrepreneurs than the US. They experienced fascism under Mao, and will not go back. We seem headed to learn what the Chinese know.

Government and Business
The statement of "there's more money to be made selling white elephants to Uncle Sam than there is selling competitive products consumers want" is so right on the money. Facism is taking root while we all sit and wonder.

Mark Cuban noticed
That Obama is not natural talking about business, and that he is taking too much advice from big business and economists, not entrapreneurs.

When the big three asked for a handout, Ford's CEO was the only one smart enough or with enough appreciation for the free markets to run away from it.

What many of the big businesses and non profits fail to understand is that many of us poor folk look to them also for leadership. GM's Wagner may have been a nice guy, but he actually hurt many, many Americans by his groveling at the foot of Congress.

A business too big to fail, is too big to exist.

Thanks, Jonah...
for not confusing business with capitalism. They are very different things. Most "businessmen" (or women) make poor capitalists, indeed.

Not over, yet...but close
This President and Congress are in the driver's seat right now. The American sheeple ELECTED them, and the consequences of that blunder are prooving to be devastating.

There are a few sane voices in the "Hill wilderness", who are actually opposing the sunami spending and oppressive policies, but they have been stripped of power... temporarily.

There are hopeful signs that the sleepy public is awakening to the coup... They're alarmed and mobilizing. The president may feigh he's not aware of demonstrations, and those in office foolishly ignore the growing grassroots opposition, but the outrage is growing... and growing fast! Like the mullahs in Iran... they dismiss the demonstrations at their peril.

We can repay their arrogance! STAND UP! Protest! Demand accountability! Start now to support fiscal conservatives! Run for office! We can oust the sorry sycophants on the Hill in 2010!
List of races: http://www.zimbio.com/Who's+Up+for+Reelection+in+2010
Look at the records! If your Senator has misrepresented you, get out there and support the opposing candidate!

We CAN wrest control of congress from Obama, Rein in Obama, until we can send him packing back to Illinois!

Keep up the drumbeat in opposition to nationalized healthcare and cap and trade.

It will take years to reverse the damage done to our economy and Constitution, but handwringing and whining wont get the job done! It will take steely resolve and relentless effort! Start NOW!

Looks to me like we're going back
to the Medieval days of Craft Guilds where the little guys were prevented from even starting up a business if it competed with the big guys.
That's CHANGE we don't want or need. The more changes His HighandMightyship makes, the more we seem to be going backwards in time. One only has to look at the conquered Muslim countries to see what the Ayatollah Obama has in mind for us. Government controlled business is the sure-fire way to kill competition and devastate our economy. Only the ruling governing class and huge conglomerates will be living in tall cotton. The rest of us are mere cogs in the government machine.

Scenes We Like to See
This is why we must never object when captains of industry and finance are hauled before congress and humiliated by a bunch of politicians. They deserve all the humiliation they get.

It is righteous for congress to beat these cowardly white worms and then strip them of their jobs and privileges. Let's also hope that when they go home after a day of public humiliation, their wives tell them their kids had to have been fathered by other men because geldings can't procreate.

Such are the rewards for cowardice. Lowlife traitorous phucks.

By the time...

Obama and his apparatchiks get through with it, I'm very much afraid that the U.S.A. will have become the U.S.S.A. (Union of Soviet States of America.)

Paranoia?
Remember this.
It's not paranoia if they really are after you.

JD's Handsome Son #17
We have to be careful when we applaud when ANYONE is losing any freedom. It is not the President's job to fire CEO-s even though they may deserve it. Germany, 1934: during the night of the long knives the socialist elements in the Nazi Party were butchered by Hiler's SA. People's general reaction was: "Serves them right". Just the same, it was a criminal act perpetrated by the state! 1938, Crystall Nacht: Jewish shops, synagogues, homes were vandalized, torched, destroyed. The reaction: "serves the leeches right!" Yet those were also criminal acts perpetrated by the state! When the fortunes of war (and of the Nazi regime) turned, the state was too powerful, the terror too harsh and intimidating to do anything about Hitler and his criminal cronies.

Breaking the law is JUST THAT. If any person or organizations is found guilty, the law must be applied equally and punishment meeted out proprtionately. When the state or head of state punishes anyone arbitrarily without observing the due process, it is breaking the law. When that is allowed the first time, the second time without any protest there is no saying where the lawless process will end...

I would like to know where are our representatives, why don't they shout at the top of their voices, why the Supreme Court judges are so silent?? Congressmen, Senators and Supreme Court Judges swear to defend the Constitution against external and internal enemies. Have the forgotten their oaths?

Right now the power IS concentrated in one party ("we won!") and in the hands of one Dear Leader.

Americans, is this what we want, is this what we need?

But big business...
has always been part of the fascist Faustian bargain.

Adam Smith knew this, over two centuries ago. The free market was most threatened by a collaboration between incumbents in business and government.

It is no surprise that Obama's fascist corporatism is being accepted gladly by big business and big labor. It was ever thus.

Big business has nothing to do with Cap
Would people please actually read Adam Smith before talking about Free markets and "the invisible hand." Capitalism is many small companies competing for the business of an informed buyer.

Capitalism has nothing to do with huge insurance companies, the whole financial system, the futures market, big oil, and big companies that use bundling and monopoly tactics to stifle competition. Communist Russia was more capitialistic than the Futures market which is parasitic since the advent of refrigeration and globalization (please someone tell me I am wrong). It has absolutely no purpose accept to make Hilary Clinton $150,000 in cattle futures. It would be utopia if the government got rid of this because billionaires around the world would actually have to invest in something that wasn't completely parasitic. Actual business would boom (not fake businesses).

It was silly to think big business wouldn't be pro government because it was the only way to remain viable. This is always true: once a company gets too big it stops spending money on innovation and starts spending all of its money on suppressing competition. If someone thinks this is capitalistic they are just as bad as a hippie commie and should go hit themselves with a tac hammer.

This isn't the first time in history this has happened and it won't be the last. The only time it will be the last is when people rise up and actually demand capitalism and a government that promotes capitalism.

Big business has nothing to do with Cap

How to create capitalist markets? Easy. Barriers of entry are the only thing that is important. Nothing else matters. Absolutely, nothing. You don't even need consumer rights with litigation the way it is. Government intervention that helps lower the barriers is great. I am the most pro government supporter you will find if they did this. Unfortunately, government always raises the barriers of entry which always lead to bad business. Again, any action that lowers barriers of entry=good. Any action that raises barriers of entry=bad. Simple like the actual unhijacked definition of free markets.

Similar to Cuba
In the late 50's in Cuba, when it was certain the Marxist Fidel was to seize power, the business class grabbed what they could of their wealth and ran for the tall grass.

It's about the same situation here, in my view. Big businesses are running for cover by latching-on to the Marxist regime in charge here (GASP!). They're biding time, nesting their money away, making a little more in the process -- then off to Costa Rica or the sunset hideaway of their choice!

These big businesses in bed with the government, of course will not succeed in the long run -- the government will see to that. They know it though and are just jockeying and getting their ducks in a row for the mass exodus!

Are we supposed to believe that this financial meltdown happened because all these companies started failing at or about the same time last fall? Yeah, Fannie and Freddie were a blow -- but they didn't cause all of this. Big business saw last fall that the Marxist was just about a certainty. And like the Cubans in the 50's -- they started getting their money off the table.

So what else is new?
Why does it surprise you that big business is seeking favors from government? They always have. It's not generally realized, but the Boston Tea Party was directed as much at the government monopoly granted to the the British East India Company as it was against the tax. During the 19th century, railroads took huge government subsidies. During World War II General Motors built trucks for the German army. Business doesn't exist to promote the ideals of free enterprise. It exists to make a profit, nothing more. If it can make more with government support, it will do so.

Definitions
"Capitalism" is not what failed because we do not have it.

"Socialism" is government ownership of businesses such as our schools and now General Motors.

"Fascism" is government micro-management of "privately owned" businesses, such as mortgage companies and Big Oil.

Politicians find it easier to blame someone else (the evil owners) for problems under fascism than they do under socialism where the public is the evil owner.

"Public" means socialist as in our public schools and public airways.

Solutions
1. The Fair Tax would bring back huge amounts of capital to this country and reduce the power of DC to manipulate us with income tax incentives and disincentives.

2. Using vouchers to destroy the virtual monopoly of our socialist (government owned) school systems would eventually create an educated populace.

Durham
"Using vouchers to destroy the virtual monopoly of our socialist (government owned) school systems."

Never knew that Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Franklin and all the 'Founding Fathers' were socialists. Keep up the good work.

Jason is wrong...
"Futures market which is parasitic since the advent of refrigeration and globalization (please someone tell me I am wrong)."

You are totally wrong.

Read Dr. Sowell's excellent "Basic Economics".

Futures markets are EXTREMELY useful, and serve to lower risks to producers, both on their inputs and end product.

A very big company CAN be a free market company. A small company can be (has the same trend toward) a monopoly.

Charles
" Futures market which is parasitic since the advent of refrigeration and globalization."

Futures markets allow buyers and sellers to lock in a price at the present for some time in the future allowing them to reduce risk.

A farmer can sell his wheat at a given price some time in the future.

Nabisco, a company that consumes a lot of wheat for its products, can lock in a price to but wheat at some point in the future.

Zapdoodat
A better example would be a cattle feeding operation.

Their input risks can be hedged in corn, soybean, and feeder-calf futures, etc.

Their output risks are hedged by a position on fed cattle futures.

WTF...????
"Never knew that Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Franklin and all the 'Founding Fathers' were socialists. Keep up the good work."

If this implies that the Founders supported...or knew of anything...like our current public education system, it reflects an astounding ignorance of history.

Public elementary education through most of American history was paid for directly by parents in the area where a school was organized. Often, there was absolutely NO government involvement whatsoever; not local, not state, and certainly not Federal.

The trend toward monopoly was inimical to the Founders, especially a monopoly of government, and most especially a central government monopoly.

Too Big to Fail
One of the many reasons we have anti-trust legislation. Too bad no one ever uses it.

Commies
They always hate free markets because no one buys what they're selling.

Please understand: Business people
are NOT capitalists (at heart). The goal of the business leader is to reduce risk. Capitalism is the acceptance of risk. If a business leader can use government to manipulate rules and reduce risk, then the business leader will sell their soul to reduce the risk.

We must have POLITICAL leaders who understand that capitalism is the way to get the best lives for all the citizens -- and to protect the consumers and citizens from the nefarious manipulations of the big business leaders who prefer to limit risk by joining with corrupt politicians to slant the rules in their favor and against the citizens and other businesses.

Sad, but true.

Fair Tax, guh
Give it UP people. The top 5% pay 35% of our taxes for a reason. THEY HAVE ALL THE MONEY.

Estimate of the percentage of real wealth owned by the top 5% range into the 90's. The rich ARE THE PROBLEM. It's just that moving money from one small elitist pigdog community into the government, which is nothing but another small elitist pigdog community, achieves nothing in terms of empowering the working class.

Communism is stupid suicide for the working class, and socialism has ALWAYS BEEN communism. The words are interchangeable folks. People now pretend socialism is any sort of government regulation BUT IT IS NOT.

Pete from CA
Good post. The devil's in the details, but yeah. Right on.

The Fed
Why is no one pointing out that the Federal Reserve is actually a private corp. and has no documented AUTHORITY?

Zap

Read my 7:15 post

And,

Join with me in repealing the Democratic Farm Bill, which gave subsides to:

Sugar @ 3bn

Corn @ 5bm

Tobacco @ 10bn

All are seriously BAD for health.

De, the Fed
People (other than desperate libertarians) don't argue that because the right to regulate currency lies fully within the purview of the congress. The Fed exists in its current form because of laws duly written and signed that say it should.

The whole blame the Fed first canard is just phlem. We have every right as a nation to have the Fed, or not to have it, but you need to argue the facts, not some fantasy.

To sum up
Until a political party shows up willing to alter regulation in ways that put more money directly into the pockets of individuals, there are going to be no solutions to the multitude of issues in this nation springing directly from the fact that too much wealth is bottled up in the hands of an elite and disconnected few.

We need tort reform, legal reform, corporate reform, copyright and patent reform. We need reform of anti-trust laws or at least for the ones we already have to be used effectively. we need fair trade, not free trade.

We need a whole host of things, none of which have anything to do with shoving trillions of non-existent fantasy-dollars into the government in order to create a perceived duty on the part of the population to prop up this disgusting, corpulent, greasy behemoth called the U.S. Federal Government.

Charles
"If this implies that the Founders supported...or knew of anything...like our current public education system."

That would be news to Thomas Jefferson.

http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jeff1370.htm

Business vs Capitalism
Time for another lesson from Political Realism 101: Many of today's conservatives fail to understand that business, especially big business, does not require a capitalist economic
system. Like the rest of us, those who own (including shareholders) and those who run large companies want stability and predictability. They will use their size and power to cooperate with government to protect themselves from the market. Most of us don't really, really want to be vulnearble to market forces. That's why some of us get into professions that have licensure, or jobs with some form of tenure, or find some other way to keep what we earn (or believe we deserve to have).

The only diehard fans of capitalism are (a) libertarians--with or without the capitalist fables of Ayn Rand--and (b) academic economists with tenure.

Absolutely no one should be surprised by the close ties between government and gigantic companies these days. If the Republicans were in power and offering similar linkages, the companies would be knocking at their door.

Intelligent politicians, who would like to remain in office, know that this is how the game is to be played, so they have a strong incentive to take part as well.

If some crazed group of libertarians ever did the impossible--succeeding in downsizing government so it couldn't provide such protection, the rest of us would get busy and pump government right back up next week. That's how the world works, conservatives.

zappy
The Framers of the constitution wanted schools to teach religion,morals,and the the basics.

Altria (MO)
If it closes next week above $17.00, it's a strong buy.

Otherwise look to buy it when it dips to $14.89

Jefferson was wrong...
then, and now.

He was so wrong then, his initiatives did not fly on the national level.

What Jefferson was advocating was also secondary education, and many states DID follow the land grant model. That is historical.

So is my point about elementary education. Read.

You have, perhaps, seen the graphs showing educational spending by the Federal government showing an inverse relationship to educational quality. Study them, if you are ignorant of this.

Free market capitalism works whenever, wherever, and to the extent it is allowed to exist. It is like magic to people who have no understanding of economics. To those of us who do, it is merely cause and effect at work.

To the contrary of some drivel posted here, free markets require virtually no direct government intervention. All they require from government is a firm commitment to refrain from intervention, commitment to property rights and contract law, and a sound currency. Beyond that, the forces inherent in a market economy tend strongly to self-regulation (i.e., monopoly, absent government collusion, will not last long when exposed to market forces).

COUNTDOWN
Why the facination with the TV series Planet Without People?
Perhaps, because we unconsciously, yet consciously, are witnessing the 'Countdown' to that end with the LOSS of:
10. Financial freedom and ownership of earnings
9. Transportation choice
8. Health care choice
7. Educational freedom
6. Military Defense saftey
5. Property ownership
4. Home ownership
3. Freedom of speech
2. Career choice
1. Personal independence and responsibility
0. We the People may as well be DEAD


Fox News Hypocrites
http://www.dailykostv.com/w/001852/

http://www.dailykostv.com/w/001858/

Don't believe everything you hear on Fox.

Et tu, threatened ?
Common sense tells us a long list of too big to fail "institutions" means that they all need to fall because none of them are solvent anyway.
They lied and cheated and fannied and freddied for a couple decades, the books cooked - a thousand enrons waiting to disintegrate with a thousand vultures gnawing at their carcasses.
No doubt the stupid laws the corrupt congress granted their paymasters only made the twisted spiderwebs of false receipts and deceits even worse.
Then the government strong armed the businesses into cooperation, just like they did with banks and investment firms.
Who could realistically expect any other method ? That's how the totalitarian overlords always work, they declare, and you obey, or you will be beaten down, imprisoned, and all your property will be taken. Even if it happens slowly or with kind words like "law" and "legally" they will still make you their total 5itch !
They will bust out your car window, break in your front door, tase you, beat you, take your belongings, freeze your assets, toss you in jail, wring you threw the pathetically twisted court system for endless years, smear your name, wreck your life, and almost everyone else will thank them for it, and they will expect you to be pleased with them, and if not, you'll get it again.
Just follow all their illegal and anti-constitutional demands and commands immediately, or else. Don't get noticed, whatever you do - it's so out of whack already all you don't need is some idot thug or Nifong on some jerk off crusade with you as a target.


Tyler
and don't believe ANYTHING you see on dailkostv

Dear Kos-Sack
Nobody believes everything they get anywhere...

but you seem to have swallowed that whole load.

Are you ACTUALLY stupid enough to equate an INFO-MERCIAL trying to sell a government take-over of health-care with a day-in-the-life piece on Bush or Cheney in general?

Really?

Who is Linda Douglas, and what did she do before coming to work in the White House as flack for OBAMACARE?

Hmmm.....????

HUH 2
Is jonah a fat doughy pantload who's Mommy got him his job?
Thanks!

shane
No one is denying that the Fed is legally constituted, it is just bad! Fractional reserve lending, the ability to create money from thin air, too artificially set interest rates too low is exactly what causes these boom and bust cycles. Both parties have and are trying to 'fix' the economy by injecting more phony money into it. That is already the problem, too much money loaned at too cheap an rate. Next case.

new deal obama deal
After the stock market crash in 1929 and 3+years of the Great Depression, FDR proposed a three legged program called the New Deal. An unholy trinity of Big Business, Big Labor, Big Government. Big Business would get monopoly privileges and reduction of competition(selective tariffs, etc.). Big Labor would get monopoly privileges and reduction of competition (Davis-Bacon). Big Government would regulate the two, making sure one wasn't getting more powerful than the other. The Soviet Union was also a three-legged stool of the Party, the Army, and the KGB. The idea was that to consolidate industry into units as large as possible and as few in number. Same with unions, large ones, but only a few (mineworkers, steelworkers, auto workers, etc.) That way, Big Government could exert easier control. The only ones left out were small businesses. They had to fend for themselves, hopefully by dying. Today, both Big Business and Big Labor have become so dependent on Big Government, that Big Government owns them outright. The slow road to socialism is finally getting somewhere. Prepare yourself, it will only get worse.

It's like the Survivor Series
Everyone is teaming up to survive.

Air Czar
Waxman to the right of us, the EPA to the left! "EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson plans to use section 202(a) of the Clean Air Act to regulate these emissions. This, despite the fact that it's questionable whether the EPA even has the authority to pursue such a drastic regulation."

Now, I do not wonder who will be the actual Air Czar, to bless the world with the use of the air. I think Obama is saving that one for Himself.

capitalism is cool.
If a business fails to produce a product or deliver a service valuable to society it is predictable that it will fail to be viable.In that event smaller, hungrier, more innovative businesses will fill the void.
To artificially prop up a dead business upsets the natural balance.

HUH? 3
So will right wing christian conservatives still keep the great medical insurance that the right wing christian conservative senators and congressman get?
Why can't Americans get the same medical insurance that right wing christian republican conservatives get while they are members of congress? Even the dillweed former vice president got his heart look at for free. Why can't I have the same right wing christian conservative medical insurance that that the right wing christian conservatives in congrrss have? How about it Senator "I'll screw the wife of a friend" Ensign? Nice right wing christian conservative family values. Please let me know why right wing christian conservatives can get away with screwing another man's wife? Nice discipline there.
Did she blow him?
Thanks!

huh? 4
Right wing christian conservatives rule.
Bill Kristol and Jonah are the BEST!
Why? Because they are always right!
Their parents had nothing to do with their with their wrong headed view of the world..
They are right wing christian conservative men. Macho men for sure.

Systemic Risk” is a Euphemism
“Systemic Risk”, or “Too Big to Fail”, is nothing more than a code word for “Big enough for the government to use the company as a tool to impose its political agenda”.

Durham
So when you drive your car, you drive on Socialist streets and roads? When you camp, you camp in Socialist National Parks and Forests? Or maybe the Cape Cod Socialist Seashore? When you fly, the safety of your flight is protected by the Socialist Air Controllers? When you have trouble on your boat, you are assisted by the Socialist Coast Guard? When your kids go to the park to play on the swings and slides, they go to the Local Socialist Park and Playground?

This move to brand everything public as Socialist aka bad is ridiculous. A civilized society has a government. The government controls some things for the benefit and use of all the people. The government has a responsibility for the public welfare (example, when I was 12 we had a huge flood and everybody in town was asked to get typhoid shots, which were provided free by the government, the purpose being to avoid an epidemic of typhoid fever).

To Don't Tread on Me
Read "The Jungle". Read "The Grapes of Wrath". Google "Triangle Waist Company Fire". See if you can understand why regulation is necessary. Regulation came about because unfettered business did things that HURT PEOPLE. Individuals don't have the kind of power they need to protect themselves from sleazy unethical business. Example: about two months ago we had another salmonella scandal when a lot of people got sick from eating peanut products. The peanut processing factory tests showed contamination, which the owner chose to conceal and lie about IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN HIS PROFITS. Lax regulation since Reagan allowed this. The individual can't take a food chemist and a lab in a trailer with him every time he does the grocery shopping. We need government regulation to protect the public health.

To charles
Yes, there was involvement of government in the public schools since it was government that mandated their existence. One by one, as our states were created, they mandated public education. I remember taking notes on this in a college American history class. And the original purpose, charles, was not only to assure a citizenry that could read and write and compute (necessary for commerce) but SO THEY COULD READ THE BIBLE. Historians call this "Biblical literacy". Not a word in there about indoctrinating children to Socialism and homosexuality, as is believed by many nut-jobs on townhall.

To Cold Fusion
The last line of your post is "I believe that Obama is saving that one for Himself". You capitalize "himself" to suggest that Obama considers himself to be a deity. I am amused to see this on a webpage headed by a HUGE ad for a book called "The Age of Reagan", which I assume to be another piece of Reagan hagiography. If ever a politician were worshipped, that would be Saint Reagan.

Hey Zap=
I never read anuthing in the Constitution where our Founding Fathers said the federal government was to have anything to do with our school (especially funding and managing them).
[re: your reply of 1217PM

Durham
"A voucher system would create an educated populace".

Well, let's see now. Homeschools and conservative private academies? Kids would have been taught that evolution never happened, and God created everything with a big POOF a couple of thousand years ago, and dinosaurs co-existed with Mary and Joseph---that's a lie created by liberals when we see Mary riding on a donkey toward the stable to give birth---it was actually a dinosaur.

They would have learned that FDR created the Great Depression just before he started World War II. And that the United States military forces liberated Paris with no help from the French Underground.

The list of books they would not have read can be found on the PABBIS website (Parents Against Bad Books in Schools). It includes Little House on the Prairie and the dictionary.

Nothing about sex or human reproduction, of course. And no foreign languages---not American.

Lilly, you were swindled...
"I remember taking notes on this in a college American history class."

You need to sue for a refund of your tuition, dear.

Go read. "Public" education, as you understand it, is a modern wrinkle. The "little red school house" was funded locally, and was often someone's home.

I don't expect it will help much, as you have demonstrated you are a voluntary idiot by your posts. As well as a religious bigot.

Just sayin'....

Also, Lilly...
You are a liar.

I visited the PABBIS website, and the titles you referenced were NOT on their list.

What a puke.

Here's a fact...
"An unholy trinity of Big Business, Big Labor, Big Government." It was first implemented under FDR, and has had considerable popularity since. Nixon found it very useful, as well.

It is called "fascism". Go read about it, statists. It is what you have been supporting, and what THE ONE is giving you now.

Thanks Charles In TX.............
When Govt, Labor, and Corporations are in cahoots with each other, it's called Fascism......

but hey, at least it's change "we can believe in"

like they said Charles: "Yes, We Can"....

Now, the best part is coming....the libtards that voted for this will reap the rewards....nothing as sweet as JUSTICE!

The purpose of Government!
The sole purpose of government is to protect the gathering of people in a defined area. Whether it is local, state, or federal, in this country, the purpose is the same. To do so, governments impose rules and regulations hopefully disigned to protect the people. But how much regulation is enough? That is the question. Reasonable, able, and intelligent people can live and prosper with out too much regulation. Dependent, disabled, and unintelligent people need help to live and prosper or else they merely exist on subsistence or not at all. The argument is always the same; how much regulation is enough? The amount of regulation is correspondent to the amount of taxation. In earlier times, 10% was enough and any more was excessive. Now 70% is the norm. We are closer to socialism than many will admit. Unless government backs off a bit, we will all be indoctrinated in government schools, treated by government doctors if you are considered good enough to live, and be paid a subsistence allowance to buy scarce food from the collectives. The federal government will overrule the states and local governments that enabled our country to really be the "great experiment". But the federal government will slowly but surely work it's ways to get rid of local control. Ask Obama? He said yes already. Change from freedom to choose to freedom to comply. That smooth talking devil.

Now you know.

Silver Lion
"like they said Charles: 'Yes, We Can'...."

And in response, millions of us are saying...

The HELL you can...!!!!

Watch for this.

STARVE THE BEAST

I am John Galt.

More fear-mongering from Goldberg

Goldberg's fear-mongering about the death of capitalism is highly misleading. Maybe it serves to get commenters angry, but it has little to do with reality.

Capitalists are in complete control, as always. They have bought the entire republican party, and at least half of the democrats.

Look at the health care "debate": insurance and pharmaceutical companies have already squashed the one non-capitalist idea of a single-payer system and from the looks of the "reform" proposals these industries will continue to milk americans for all we're worth.

Look at Obama's bailouts. It's not that he is nationalizing industries. Rather, he's following Bush in giving the financial industry tax-payer money in order to sustain the failing heart of capitalism.

If you look at the proportion of industry that has received federal funds it amounts to .25%. This is one quarter of one percent (1 out of 400), an exceedingly small proportion of the overall economy. And it's of course not permanent.

Look at the proposed regulations, which are especially important given the regulatory failures underlying the current depression. There are a few good regulations, but in general, they come up short: executive pay is still out of control, there's no reinstatement of the Glass-Steagall provisions that constrained banks to banking, and nothing's being done to prevent financial organizations from becoming "too big to fail".

Conservatives complain about socialism but there's nothing remotely socialistic being proposed by Obama. There's hardly even a liberal agenda to fight the corporate control of government (American capitalism). For all of you people screaming about socialism and the demise of capitalism, don't worry about it. It's a joke. There doesn't seem to be anything being done that will weaken American capitalism. Capitalists still have the money and our government is still for sale.

It ain't over until ....
I remember a very smart individual once said: "It ain't over until the fat lady sings!" So what does this mean? It means there is hope that we will come out of this terrible mess caused by our elected politicians because we have the spirit and patriots who understand and follow our Constitution and Bill of Rights. These great numbers of citizens will fight until things are right!

Capitalism isn't dying
It is being killed. Big difference.

Talk about leaving a mess
How will we ever unravel this mess?

reply to charles
It's time for another lesson from Political Realism 101: Today's lesson is about the golden rule; the guy who's got the gold gets to make the rules. Long before anyone had such labels as 'statism' or 'fascism' or anything else, the people who controlled the largest or most important resources in a society could count on working closely with and benefitting from the folks who were in the government. Read some histories of ancient empires, the Greek cities, the medieval realms, the Renaissance states, ancient Asia, modern Europe--or the US of A.

It's the way of the world, and political realism is about recognizing and working within the parameters thus established. Nobody except a few libertarians and anarchists really wants things any other way. they just want to be the ones who get access to government.

If tomorrow morning by some feat of magic our government was downsized by an order of magnitude, sometime next week business, and labor, and the professions, and the farmers, and the dentists, and the cable guy would all stand in unison and pump government back up to a size that can benefit whoever comes out on top. Deal with it.

lilly
Lilly, I think any politician who believes he must regulate the use of the earth's atmosphere by the people is some kind of divine in his own mind!

Ya think?!

BESTIALITY-RIGHTS REVOLUTION

Have you guys seen this?: http://www.comingsoon.cz

"The film that sparked a Bestiality-Rights Revolution!"

Am I dreaming???

somehow
this is related to the moral decay and poor education taking place in our society.

Et TU, NRO!
Oh no, no, no, no you don't, Jonah Goldberg! How dare you pin this on big business?

The fault for this situation lies squarely on the shoulders of the SELL-OUT CONSERVATIVE INTELLECTUALS who were willing to accept some degree of statism to achieve "moral" or characterological utopian ends, because after that, they simply had no consistent, principled defense of laissez-faire capitalism. I think you know who the Typhoid Mary of that plague was--and it wasn't Ayn Rand. It was the founder of your sad, sad little partialitarian rag: William F. Buckley of the National Review. He was a lousy, miserable little parasite who sold the country and conservatism down the river, even as he claimed credit for saving them. If your intellectual forebears had exercised some integrity and gone with Ayn Rand instead of that phony baloney, we would not be in this situation now.

Big business works within the framework established by YOU THE INTELLECTUAL, because the intellectuals determine the politico-ideological course of the country. Simple game theory will tell you that if there must be some statism, then there must be even more statism, and once a country goes down that road, companies must make a choice between saving their hides and becoming a martyr. They cannot be blamed en block like this if too many of them decide to choose the former. You made them choose it. And when they get Stockholm Syndrome and shill for fascism even more enthusiastically, that just compounds YOUR guilt, not theirs.

Glad to Hear Big Biz Finally Called Out
You nailed it, Mr. Goldberg! Well-said. What self-destructive fools!

I used to work for Washington Mutual - remember them? How WELL DESERVED A FAILURE I can attest! Their assets (said to be approx $307B) bot by JP Morgan Chase for... $1.5B. Pretty sweet deal! Has no one noticed that Big Fish have been swallowing up Smaller Fish more and more and on the cheap? (WaMu gobbled up my previously efficient company in 2002; they had a 5-Yr Plan for getting in on the real estate boom. They swept aside our industry-lauded, good lending practices & brot in massive Easy Loans for Minorities, Affirmative Action hiring/promotion on Steroids, & Taking City Tax Breaks for nothing in return; plus outsourcing to India & massive layoffs, while telling us "If you don't like how we do things, LEAVE!". All lousy for sustaining business; soon THEY were prey.) Gobbling smaller companies, eventually only Big Boys left - that's how we end up with fewer companies, less competition, Too Big to Fail. Inevitably WILL FAIL nonetheless.

I highly recommend "Meltdown" by Thomas E. Woods, Jr. A succinct and solid argument for why laissez-faire economics isn't to blame, but GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE IS.

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