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Wednesday, February 11, 2009
Jonah Goldberg :: Townhall.com Columnist
On Stimulus Bill, Centrists Are Over the Line
by Jonah Goldberg
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I'm with the liberals on this one. They're fuming at the self-proclaimed "centrists" in the Senate who've taken it upon themselves to trim the stimulus bill at the edges.

Led by Republican Arlen Specter, the centrists have boldly cut (perhaps temporarily) $100 billion or so from the stimulus package, in the name of fiscal discipline. But, as liberal critics such as New York Times columnist Paul Krugman rightly point out, they're cutting it to prove their "centrist mojo," not because they have real concern for public policy. If the bill had started out at $1 trillion, then $900 billion in porcine outlays would be deemed the "responsible" amount to spend.

For certain Beltway centrists, the highest principle is to prove that you are attached to no principle. Rather, your duty is to split the difference between the "ideologues." If one side says we need a 1,000-foot bridge to span a canyon, and the other side says we don't need a bridge at all, the centrists will fight for a bridge that goes 500 feet and no farther, then pat themselves on the back.

Yes, sometimes the middle position is the correct one. But there is no rule that says it must be.

Don't tell that to Specter, a living antonym for the word "Churchillian." In Sunday's Washington Post, he rationalized his trimmed-down bill by invoking John F. Kennedy, who said, "In politics, nobody gets everything, nobody gets nothing and everybody gets something."

Yogi Berra said it better: "When you come to a fork in the road, take it."

Now, to be honest, I think President Obama's stimulus bill is a monstrosity, a bloated behemoth unleashed on America with staggering dishonesty. The centrist "improvements" are like throwing a new coat of paint on a condemned building.

It's being sold as an emergency stimulus to deal with an immediate problem -- the economic downturn -- despite being more like a welfare-state wish list festooned with fiscal nonsense. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid touts a whopping 58 percent of the bill as job-creating. No doubt that number is inflated. Even so, what's the argument for the other 42 percent?

For instance, why is an emergency spending bill weighted down with an authorization for $198 million in payments to Filipino World War II veterans, many of whom live in the Philippines? We owe them the money, but how does sending millions to Manila fend off the American "catastrophe" that Obama says is the price of inaction?

Principled liberals defend the bill while conceding that roughly half the discretionary "emergency" spending won't even start until two years from now. (Funny coincidence: That's right around the time Obama's re-election campaign will kick off.) Good social policy is good social policy, no matter how you get it enacted, they say.

Putting aside the question of whether the ornaments dangling from every branch of this legislative Christmas tree amount to good policy, there's still the matter of why Democrats are afraid of the normal process. Sneaking into the package hundreds of millions for, say, sex education, the National Endowment for the Arts and sod for the National Mall doesn't suggest a lot of confidence that Americans support such liberal priorities.

But that's OK. As the president is so fond of pointing out, the Democrats won. They're in the driver's seat. To govern is to choose, and these are the choices they've made.

The Democrats have shown no desire to craft real bipartisan legislation, which is their right, even if it contradicts Obama's campaign promises. And the vast majority of Republicans have shown little desire to back legislation that violates their principles simply for the sake of "doing something." The moderate mooncalves, who expect Republicans to sign on essentially for signing-on's sake, really want Republicans to stop being Republicans.

"I am supporting the economic stimulus package for one simple reason," Specter wrote in the Post. "The country cannot afford not to take action." Such thinking is the purest nonsense. Sure, if your house is burning down, you can't afford not to take action. That doesn't mean any action is better than no action. Grabbing a fire hose is good. Grabbing a jerrycan of gasoline and dancing the Macarena, not so much.

Of the myriad problems with difference-splitting, perhaps the most pernicious is that it is also difference-blurring. If the stimulus bill is good policy, let Democrats take the credit for it and Republicans the blame for opposing it. If it's a disaster, let all praise and honor go to the GOP and let Democrats pay the price.

Democracy is about disagreement; let the parties have their disagreement.

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stimulus bill
President Obama stated that as part of his stimulus bill he would hire Octuplet mom Nadya Suleman to be a spokeswoman for the stimulus bill. Read it at, http://stopthepresses2.blogspot.com/search/label/Stimulus% 20bill

if a rino
was told by a democrat to eat a turd, the rino would say, no, i cannot do that. but i will eat 90% of that turd, if you let me polish it first. then the democrat would reluctantly cut off 10%, and allow the rino to polish it to a high sheen. then the rino would eat that turd, and brag about how he stood up to the democrat.

Don't Forget Cloward
Because of the Community Reinvestment Act our economy was bound to fall sooner or later. It's the timing that interests me.

David Horowitz summarizes the Cloward Piven strategy as: "The strategy of forcing political change through orchestrated crisis. The 'Cloward-Piven Strategy' seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse."

Rush Limbaugh, on yesterday's program talked about a $500 Billion run on September 18 on the money market funds. That run triggered a panicked response by Paulson and Bush. The rest is history. But who was behind that run and why the timing - Cloward Piven?

The 'stimulus' package is simply a continuation of the strategy. And for the most part, we as a nation, have already fallen for it. It worked.

If you want to be part of the solution, the real solution, then here's a prescription. Repent, pray and fast. Join with others in prayer and fasting. Pray for Barack Obama, and not just about him. Pray for our economy. Pray for our culture.

Kim Daniels has published an excellent prayer that can help get us started.
http://www.charismamag.com/index.php/prophetic-insight/1825 0-a-prayer-for-barack-obama

2 Chronicles 7:14 "Then if my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land."

Magic Negro Has Got To Go......

Our new moron-in-chief, the bi-racial, mooslim boy Barry is a laughing stock and anyone who voted for this momma's boy should be stripped of their citizenship - which will be worthless soon anyway as Comrade Barry, The Dear Leader, leads us to his Marxist Utopia.

His PR show, aka "press conference" showed how woefully inadequate Hussein is. He's a professional bullcrap artist, who has the gift of gab. He talks and talks and talks and talks, preaching and scolding in a condescending way, since he has little allegiance or love of the USA.

Mooslim boy is just that. That's why his first offical foreign call was to the Palestinian leader. That's why Mooslim boy is so concerned about the "rights" of illegal combatant terrorists.

The idiots that voted for our Marxist Millionaire are the kind of fools that live off of class envy in order to make up for their failed lives. Hate the rich, hate the successful so give power to a Marxist community organizer, who rigs elections and stirs up racial and class hatred.

Good call, you limp-wristed libs.

Universal Suffrage
We have a problem in this country in that everyone can vote regardless of of their education or understanding of the workings of the government or even the issues before them. I believe that the Founding Fathers had it right. Just because a person is 18 years old shouldn't give them suffrage. There have to be restrictions of some kind on the right to vote. Jay Leno of all people stood on a corner and asked basic questions that the vast majority of the people could not answer: Who is the Vice President? What party controls each house of Congress? etc...

One way of doing this would have a list of questions on the ballot that if any were answered wrong, the ballot would not count. I'm suggesting basic questions:
1. What are the three branches of government?
2. Who are the President and Vice President?
3. Who is the Governor (in your state)?

I have no problem with someone disagreeing with a viewpoint. However, when decisions of life and death are being decided by the voter, they should at least be informed.

Problem with Specter
The problem with Specter and the others you dub "centrists" is that they are so far too the left that when they look back across the road, they think that the center is the far right.

They are not centrists.

RINO's
The three blind mice, Specter, Snowe, and Collins get 100% of the credit for the Porkulus bill. Without their votes this piggy would not be going to market.

They are deserving of the ire of everyone who will be hurt by this massive incursion by government into the lives of it's citizens.

They probably would have voted for the Tea Tax!

Who knows? It may be in the bill already.

GOP Apologists
Jonah, I am so tired of so-called Republicans who, either through words or actions, or both, feel the need to apologize for being conservatives. They've bought into the lie that conservatism means heartlessness, and liberalism means true compassion. When are we conservatives going to grow a pair of gonads and stand up for our principles? Or do we not truly believe them?

TAR AND FEATHER THEM!
Susan Collusion, Benedict Arlen and I've booted her out of Olympus, Snowe.

fiddler927
>Jonah, I am so tired of so-called Republicans who, either through words or actions, or both, feel the need to apologize for being conservatives.

I disagree with the premise that they are conservatives.


The Real Point
Jonah's 2 concluding paragraphs say it all. If the Dems think their plan is the universal fiscal panacea, then Republicans be damned, pass the thing and quit whining about bipartisanship. If they're right, they get the credit; if not, then they can't blame the GOP (which is really what this is all about). Moveon.org and pass it, jackasses, and be done with it.

Jack
I agree completely. Not every citizen should be able to vote. In the midst of all the porkulus bill talk, there is still the amnesty issue that no one is talking about.

If our Dear Leader has his way, there will be 30 million new democrats created overnight with the stroke of his pen. Our country is being hijacked. Say what you will about McCain(I didn't like him that much), but he is looking really good right about now.

Conservative or not to be?
That is the question. McCain stood his ground THIS TIME! Don't count on this guy in the future, he is no conservative and is probably closer to Mortimer Snerd Specter. It's a good thing to identify the RINOs and dump them out of the Republican Party. I don't see any reason to join the Republican Party yet, certainly not the remarkable temporary transformation of Mortimer Snerd McCain. We need a political revolution, shake out the liberals, RINOs, Neo-CONS, and other liberals and build a party around the new RNC chairman of conservatives, people with principles they are willing to fight for every day. Then I will rejoin the Republican effort and not before.

Keep It Simple
The purpose of this stimulus is to "stimulate" the economy. When you are going to do that with money you do not have, every dime spent that is not giving you the most bang for the buck, is wasted money. And every dime you spend that is not giving you the most bang for your buck, is on the backs of those who will be stuck with paying the ultimate bill, which is dealing with the increase in the National Debt.

Jack, Fiddler, Pheebor, and more
Jack: a trivia quiz is a useless tool for determining suffrage rights. Every Obama voter would walk up to the table with the answers printed out for her by the Democrat Party. No, the test should be your tax return: if you pay, you vote. What was it those twits said about having "skin in the game"? This will never happen in Obama's America, of course, because it would eviscerate the Democrats.

Fiddler & Pheebor: they're not apologizing for being conservatives; they're apologizing for having to associate with conservatives. Apparently, we make them feel unclean.

As for Specter, Snowe, and Collins... One of my senators, John Cornyn, is this cycle's chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee. I urge all Republicans, and especially all Texans, to contact him and the party's new chairman, Michael Steele, to demand that these three be cut off from all party support. (Collins was just re-elected; Specter comes up first, in 2010, and Snowe in 2012.) We need to stop throwing good money after bad.

Which brings me to a related subject. It is often said that we must moderate our stance in order to appeal to voters in New England, who, among their six states, now have zero Republican Congressmen and only three senators: the afforementioned Collins and Snowe, and one who is so conservative that he is about to accept a post in the Community Organizer's Cabinet. I've said it before, I'll say it again: it is time to recognize that we are no longer one people. It is time for legislatures to act, and for the federation to be divided.

And to Hell with New England.

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The rest of the tail
Didn't the "Three Blind Mice" hear the rest of the tail? We should tell them every chance we get.

Eerily Similar
In the 1980s, Reagan ran pretty large deficits, spending the money on defence, in order to force the USSR to do the same. It worked. The USSR couldn't pay its loans back and and keep its discontented citizens from revolting into several seperate republics, so it essentially declared bankruptcy.

I fear our own government is using the same strategy on us. The question is -- why? They can't really want to live in a second-rate country and see their children and grandchildren struggling to survive. Either they're delusional and don't believe it will come to that, or there's something else in it for them. I vote for the latter.

asdf
"I've said it before, I'll say it again: it is time to recognize that we are no longer one people. It is time for legislatures to act, and for the federation to be divided."

Hahaha, you're credible! I'm going to listen to this guy!

Anti-Contract with America
This might also be the Dems way of getting back all that they lost back in the Contract with America. Returning us to a welfare state would, in many of their minds, vindicate them. Fact is that people who are dependent upon the gov't are far more likely to vote for the party of government, which is currently the Dems. They lost ground with the Contract with America because people were forced out into the workplace and found that working for a living wasn't that bad and that they actually got ahead in life. Now there's a whole new generation who don't know that working has benefits and so, when they get their welfare checks, they'll be quite pleased to vote for the Dems who gave them to them.

However, the country can't afford to do this forever and things will likely be looking grim by reelection time for Mr. Obama. I still predict that this will poison the Dem well for decades to come. They will never again be able to claim they are better on the economy than the Republicans. Not sure if the Republicans are going to survive this, either. I'm looking around for a viable 3rd party of the conservative brand.

Do You Pay 1500 Mth home pay
Eighteen thousand per year for home payment.
18,000 x 60,000,000 = 1,080,000,000,000.

SIXTY MILLION PEOPLE CAN HAVE THEIR HOME PAYMENT MADE FOR A WHOLE YEAR. Why build wind generators, school buildings (in a school district that does not require a new school.

How many Americans would have extra money or be able to stay in their home?

REAL STIMULUS

Stimulus?
In the 1990's Newt Gingrich came up with the Contract With America which was good for this country and, while it lasted, it worked. And because it worked, the left didn't like it and called it the Contract On America. Well, this so-called Stimulus Package is just that--a Contract On America. It will kill America because instead of helping us and put people back to work it will put people out of work. The left knows this. They only support programs that fail and they know that this will fail. Where's my proof? If they wanted this so-called Stimulus to succeed there would be oversight on what the companies who are being bailed our do with the money. There is none! The companies are wasting it and the Congress is doing nothing. Oh, yeah, today they are going through the motions of questioning CEO's, but they don't really. Barney Frank is pretending to be tough with them but he, more than most others, helped bring about our current crisis. This isn't a Stimulus Package it is a Wasteful Spending Package.

Of the three so-called Republicans who are supporting this package, I'm only familiar with Arlen Specter. I'm not surprised that he is siding with the Democrats. Up untill a couple of years ago I actually thought he WAS a Democrat. It surprised me when I discovered that he professed to be a Republican. You couldn't prove it by me. He's as bad, maybe worse, than McCain. McCain, I understand is up for re-election in Arizona this year, which is probably the only reason he is pretending to be a Conservative Republican and not siding with the Democrats as he usually does.

Our dear President Hussein, along with the rest of his Nazi party, will may the 1929 stock market crash look like an economic upsurge before he is through!!

Failure is the only
President Obama, Speaker Pelosi, and Senate leader Reid have decided the best option is to get a failure out the way early in Obama administration. That strategy works well for conservatives as they prepare for midterm elections. No demoncrat should have a free primary ride neither should the three strooges.

PORKULAS
old arline should be drug outta there by his stupid face.those criminal in congress grillin bankers! are you kiddin me!those crooks should be on trial for crimes against this country.we have been lied to for years and its only gotten worse.i'm ready for the second CIVIL WAR.ITS SICK! they get on tv and lie and the idiots keep on re-electing them.

Action Now!
"That doesn't mean any action is better than no action. Grabbing a fire hose is good. Grabbing a jerrycan of gasoline and dancing the Macarena, not so much."

But we are dealing with morons who sincerely believe that the world would fall apart if they weren't there to hold it together. The very idea of a self-regulating economy is inconceivable to the Obamas of the world.

Any action, no matter how stupid, is always better than no action because in their minds government action is the elan vital that animates society which would be nothing but a corpse without government. If government stops, societal death follows.

Democrat = Socialist.Communism next...
A Democratic legislator from Illinois just described the current federal bill, HR1, as a Democratic Patronage bill saying their goal is to wipe out any and all possiblity of a two party system in the future of our country. The link for the video is below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGafMHsV4Ug&feature

http://www.resistnet.com/profiles/blog/list?q=Aaron+Russo+- +Architecture+Of+A+Prison+Planet+MUST+SEE

Change!
A motivating mantra to some. "If your house is burning down, you can't afford not to take action. That doesn't mean any action is better than no action. Grabbing a fire hose is good. Grabbing a jerrycan of gasoline and dancing the Macarena, not so much." Sure, to some of us that makes good sense. I think to quite a few others, anything trumps nothing at all.

They are mistaken. But from a crowd that has no sense, can they effectively judge against those of use who have sense? No. But they can out vote us. I do wish the 10th amendment wasn't repealed.


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