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Friday, January 16, 2009
Jonah Goldberg :: Townhall.com Columnist
Don't Punish Public for Blundering Constables
by Jonah Goldberg
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Bennie Dean Herring was "no stranger to law enforcement," according to Chief Justice of the United States John Roberts. That's Roberts' understated way of saying that when Herring walks into a room, reasonable people could be forgiven for hearing the theme music to "Cops" in their heads.

Herring visited the Coffee County, Ala., sheriff's department on July 7, 2004, to get something from his truck, which had been impounded. Mark Anderson, an investigator with the department, asked the county clerk if Herring had any outstanding warrants.

Some might say that when a law enforcement officer's first reaction upon laying eyes on you is to check for outstanding warrants, you've made some poor life choices.

Anyway, the clerk said no. Then Anderson asked if there were any warrants from the next county over. Voila, the clerk found one for Herring's failure to make a court appearance. Anderson and a deputy proceeded to arrest Herring and search him and his vehicle. They found a gun (which was illegal thanks to a previous felony conviction) in his truck and methamphetamine in his pocket.

Then the clerk said, in effect, whoops! That's an old warrant and it shouldn't have been in the computer any longer.

Herring and his lawyers argued that his arrest and subsequent conviction were unconstitutional since law enforcement didn't have probable cause to conduct a search. The Supreme Court, in a 5-4 decision, disagreed this week. Legal observers are debating whether Herring v. United States is a landmark curtailment of the exclusionary rule or a small technical correction. Alas, out of concern for the status of my eternal soul, I refrained from becoming a lawyer, so I'll let others hash out that question.

Meanwhile, some of my libertarian friends are vexed by this. Glenn Reynolds (the 800-pound gorilla blogger known as Instapundit) writes in the New York Post that police shouldn't be exempt from following the law like everyone else. Reynolds understands the court's reasoning: "Why punish the police by letting a guilty man go free when they just made a simple mistake?" But, he reasons, ignorance is no excuse for John Q. Public, so why should it be one for Johnny Law? "Being a 'public servant,' apparently, means being free to make the kind of mistakes that the rest of us aren't allowed," writes Reynolds.

I've never understood this argument.

Now, I agree that cops should follow the law just like everyone else. I just don't understand how Reynolds and so many others get from there to the idea that punishing cops requires rewarding people like Herring. According to the exclusionary rule, a cop who breaks the rules to arrest a serial child rapist should be "punished" by having the rapist released back into the general public. (Or as Benjamin Cordozo put it in 1926 when he was a New York state judge, "The criminal is to go free because the constable has blundered.")

But the officer, while frustrated, isn't really punished. The people punished are the subsequent victims and their families.

Reynolds and others say police should be subject to the same laws as other citizens and public servants. I agree. But if a husband runs a red light to get his pregnant wife to the hospital, she's not turned away because he broke the law. Or, imagine if a health inspector had the wrong address on his paperwork and rummaged around the wrong restaurant, only to find a roach and vermin infestation the likes of which are rarely seen outside of an Indiana Jones movie. According to the logic of the exclusionary rule, the public should keep eating roach burgers and rat droppings because the eatery was illegitimately searched. That's cuckoo for cocoa puffs.

One answer -- really the only answer -- you hear about why we should treat criminals with more respect is that it's the only way to make government respect the rights of the innocent. I'm all for respecting the rights of the innocent, and I think police should be required to follow strict rules, have warrants and all the rest. But I don't see why cops who break the rules intentionally or unintentionally should be "punished" by having objectively guilty criminals let loose on society. I don't think zookeepers should abuse their animals, but nor do I think a zookeeper's abused polar bear should be set free in Midtown Manhattan. If Special Forces troops break the rules while capturing Osama bin Laden, I don't see why that should require letting bin Laden go and giving him a do-over.

If zookeepers, soldiers or cops break the rules, punish them -- criminally, civilly or administratively. But don't reward the scum of the earth with a get-out-of-jail-free card, particularly when that will result in truly innocent people being punished. Criminals didn't do anything right just because the cops did something wrong.

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I agree.
But when a cop claps hand-cuffs on me, that's the power of the state being exercised, not his job-description. I want that power exercised to the letter of the law.

You're wrong,PB...
..."But when a cop claps hand-cuffs on me, that's the power of the state being exercised, not his job-description. I want that power exercised to the letter of the law."

He is authorized to put cuffs on people who HE feels are a threat to him or others.He should not be second guessed by judges or others who were not even at the scene.Wearing handcuffs is not a punishment.A fine or prison sentence is,and that is the purview of the Court.

Speaking of punishment
Who do you punish? The cop? He acted according to protocol? The clerk? She did too. I guess you have to track down why the old warrant was still in the computer. Maybe Herring's lawyers can sue the computer software and hardware manufacturers, and get a nice million-dollar settlement ($990K for themselves, $10K for thier client to blow on more illegal drugs when he gets out of the slammer).

Constitutional Protection
A moron walks into a police station with speed in his pocket to get stuff out of his truck in which there is an illegal weapon. Suicidal morons argue he should go free because the Constitution protects him. In the mean time 95% of what the Federal Government does is illegal under the Constitution.

Too many within the power structure of society think their job is to protect people from the consequences of their own stupidity. When there is no immediate penalty for stupidity you get a lot more stupidity. At some point the level of stupid will overcome society's ability to function. Then it will get really interesting.

I've said this for years
If law enforcement breaks the law they should go to jail as well as the person they arrested. In the incident cited here it should be the clerk held accountable since the officer was acting on information provided by that clerk. Maybe the clerk in the other county should bear some responsibility as well, but why should the law enforcement establishment not bear any burden to safeguard the rights of all?

Sorry Jonah...
99% of the time I completely agree with you but cops nowadays are out of control...they are shooting unarmed citizens for no other reason than driving away from a traffic stop, or killing troubled souls whos families called for their help, to help a suicidal relative with no other weapon but a frikken piece of glass in their hands,killing a man with a toy gun in his waistband, starting a fight with a kid taking a leak outside of a bar in which they were drinking offduty with their service revolvers and then shooting and killing him when he got the better of the fight,(and yes these incidents have all happened in my State)and getting away with it.

Right On!
I can't understand why honest citizens want criminals going free because law enforcement officers broke procedural rules to arrest, prosecute or convict them. Fine the offending law enforcement officer if the procedural violation was knowing & intentional or grossly negligent. Doing so would provide the best deterrent to procedural violations, as disbarred prosecutors like Mike Nifong can attest. But giving wronged criminals a free pass to continue victimizing us is tactically stupid and morally wrong.

Thanks Jonah:
I have made this same argument for decades. Police officers are not above the law. Keep the criminal and prosecute him, but prosecute the officer who broke the law too.

Trulib
"At some point the level of stupid will overcome society's ability to function. Then it will get really interesting."

How much closer can we get?

Exclusionary Mess
I am not an atty. I would not make a good one because I tend to say what I think. That being said the exclusionary rule simply does not make sense. Evidence is niether good or bad, it is just evidence. If cops break the rules punish them, not society. I believe if a cop is caught breaking the law the whole weight of the Justice system should come down hard. Under the present system prosocuting cops have become difficult because of this stupid rule.

On Good Faith, Etc.
Am I reading this wrong or were the police who made the arrest actually in error in Herring? They did their due diligence by looking it up in a computer and the clerical error was not of their making. This seems analogous to where police act in good faith on a facially sufficient warrant which turns out to lack information sufficient to satisfy threshold requirements like probable cause.

I don't think it's unfair that the police -– involved in far more split-second decisions (often involving life or death) than other citizens –- should be viewed somewhat differently by the courts. In dissecting every on-the-spot decision by the authorities, we risk becoming armchair critics afforded the clarity provided by hindsight.

$.02
Some on this thread would have police officers punished for breaking the law. I agree, only when a clearly innocent citizen is being harassed by that officer. If a thief is making a getaway and exceeds the speed limit while making his escape good, should the officer at the scene be required to observe the posted speed limit in his pursuit, or should they be ticketed as ordinary citizens would for exceeding the speed limits?

Again, if in the process of committing armed robbery, a crook opens fire on police responding to the silent alarm, should the officers keep their pistols holstered because the law says that discharging a firearm within the city limits is a violation of the law? If they return fire and capture the armed assailant, should they be punished according to that law?

I think it utter lunacy for a known criminal to be released after finding that the arresting officer didn’t follow the letter of the law in capturing said criminal; the officer should be reprimanded but the criminal should be held anyway.

Cops these days are not out of control..
BBarker... Extracting a few sordid stories from the headlines to paint an untrue picture is just as evil - minded as the letting loose of felons on the public for the sake of a technicality.

Do you work at the NY Times?


TRULIB
I'm not disagreeing with you here but I think a little rephrase is in order. The Constitution protects him prior to the searching, not after, and it does say unreasonable not errant searches. In the situation mentioned the individuals had legitimate reason as they knew at that time. Anyway, yes one of the ridiculous distortions of justice in this country is magically wave away crimes because of technicalities. If liberals were truly interested in what is right they would say yes punish the criminal AND provide a way of correcting those who make these kinds of mistakes. Perhaps an initial write-up and if such mistakes accumulate then fines. It is funny how in this "application" of the Constitution liberals are so zealous but nowhere else. It shows why something like the Enumerated Powers Act has yet to pass.

Chuck
When the balloon mortgage of entitlements hits multiyear trillion dollar deficits and the populace demands to be protected from the economic fallout. That will be stupidity run rampant.

Laws
What laws did the police in the example break? Besides if we had MANY fewer laws there would not have been a push by defense lawyers to have an exclusionary principle.

All those laws against possession of (Unpopular) drugs for instance.


Changing The Constitution
The amazing thing here is that we were one vote away from having the Constitution demand perfection in the conduct of police. Where does judgement come in? Isn't that what judges are for?

The root of this is having a situation where five people can change the meaning of the Constitution. This was never what the Founders intended. This has been allowed to go on because legislators want power beyond that allowed by the Constitution without having to vote for it and take the responsibility that might become a campaign issue. This way the politicians get the power they want and can point at the courts.

The courts have become the arbiters of everything that happens in this country. That is an outrageous situation and one that makes us all poorer and less free.

TruLib
I have to slightly disagree with you on this point, "This has been allowed to go on because legislators want power beyond that allowed by the Constitution without having to vote for it and take the responsibility that might become a campaign issue. This way the politicians get the power they want and can point at the courts." I believe (and have written) that things like this are allowed to happen, not so that legislators can gain power, but so thay can gain cover. They allow the Courts to legislate on the tough issues so that they can stand in front of the public and say how bad the Court ruling was, how much they disagree with it, but in the end how they cannot do anything about it because the Courts have spoken. They are unwilling to make these decisions because they may have consequences for them down the line at the polls, so they let the weight fall upon the Courts.

Jonah Goldberg
writes, "But I don't see why cops who break the rules intentionally or unintentionally should be "punished" by having objectively guilty criminals let loose on society."

I can almost agree with you but, I think there is a big difference between intentional and unintentional. A criminal should not be set free simply because a cop made an honest mistake. He should be set free if the cop intentionally broke the law. The rest of your arguments are very thin. Polar bears? Non-citizen terrorists? Come on Jonah.

A problem with a solution
"Being a 'public servant,' apparently, means being free to make the kind of mistakes that the rest of us aren't allowed," writes Reynolds. I've never understood this argument."

Obviously. The real solution is to assure that the convicted have power to file civil and criminal charges against the INDIVIDUALS guilty of the violation.
We'll probably never be free of the cancerous concept of sovereign immunity, but we can twist it around thus -- the state can do no wrong? Fine. A wrong was obviously committed, so we must allow the wronged to bring the full hammer of the law down on the state's creatures. Cops will be much more cautious in bending the rules, planting evidence, and SWATting down doors if they know their personal butts can end up behind bars with Bubba and Nushawn (who'll probably tell him that his buzzcut is real purty).



Constitutional Protection
I've heard this argument many times. Boiled down, it says "If you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to fear." However, this is not entirely true. There are just too many verified cases of police planting evidence to make me comfortable with the idea of further weakening scrupulous protections for citizens. Personally, I don't believe that police should have the right to stop people just because they don't have a seatbelt buckled. One young policeman of my acquaintance told me that he "loves" this law because he then has an "excuse" to stop people who look "shady" to him. Looking "shady" is not just cause to be stopped and questioned by a government agent. If it is, then all of us are at risk because this is a totally subjective measure and could be used as the reason for a search of any citizen at any time. A reasonable search should be dependent upon behavior, not appearance.

I don't think the public safety is well-served when we empower the agents of government to intrude into our lives without an actual and specific cause.

I support police and the hard and vital work they do. But ss their power expands, so will the abuse of this power. It is human nature. We need to be careful of how much power we give them.




In most states. . .
if not ALL, prospective "police officer candidates" going through training are (unofficially) advised to obtain a "throw down" weapon (an "undocumented handgun") that can be used to "clean up" a questionable "situation".
It is known for "police officers" to have a small amount of cannabis or cocaine on them to "plant" on a unsuspecting individual's car in order to effect a "legal" search. To effect the search, the "officer" rubs a small amount of the illicit substance on to the exterior of the individual's vehicle. When the "drug dogs" are brought in, they immediately go for the planted substance.
KNOW YOUR RIGHTS. If you are stopped for a traffic offense, be cordial with the officer. Do not become argumentative. DO NOT consent to a search. After the ticket is written, the officer CANNOT legally detain you. If he tries, ASK if you are free to leave.
It would seem that police officers need to follow their OATH OF OFFICE which includes allegiance to the CONSTITUTION. There are good cops out there. Let's hear from them.

but wait
The cop or prosecutor that are given so much benefit of doubt HAVE to follow the law it is our only protection against bad cops or crazy prosecutors like nifong. This ruling allows cops to say OOPS sorry we would not have cause but anyway.... Why don’t we just give them the power to walk into our house at any time and ask any questions to make sure that they are protecting the public welfare….. I mean why should some criminal go free just because law enforcement hasn’t caught up with him…..it for the public good ‘’’’don’t cha know

but wait
The cop or prosecutor that are given so much benefit of doubt HAVE to follow the law it is our only protection against bad cops or crazy prosecutors like nifong. This ruling allows cops to say OOPS sorry we would not have cause but anyway.... Why don’t we just give them the power to walk into our house at any time and ask any questions to make sure that they are protecting the public welfare….. I mean why should some criminal go free just because law enforcement hasn’t caught up with him…..it for the public good ‘’’’don’t cha know

Hitchhiker
The criminal should be SET FREE if the cop intentionally broke the law in capturing him?

Doesn't the term CRIMINAL have some weight here?

It's like the argument for keeping illegal aliens out of the country, and deporting them once they're here. The libs want to give them amnesty ... the fact that they're ILLEGAL ought to be the operative condition.

If the cop intentially broke the law, HE should be punished, not the public.

So what's new?
On Nov 4 2008, the American voters gave the
political criminal class a get out of jail free card and not only that, will get to pay through the nose for the privilege, via the stimulscam
that will buy them more votes.
And the ordinary run of the mill criminals are small potatoes compared to the real professionals running the government now.

Locally
a citizen was slammed against a wall and searched because he was reported to have a gun. He did, along with a permit. The police tried to find something to charge him with, and failed.

Now, if you or I slammed someone against the wall, we would be liable to end up convicted of assault and battery. The cop was not charged, he was "following procedures intended to keep him safe". No charge.

Another citizen had words with some punks, who turned around and called in that he threatened them with a gun. In spite of witnesses saying the punks were lying, his boat was towed to the Coast Guard base and all of his possessions were spread out in the rain. Two hand guns were found (sealed in "food saver" bags) and one of those fake grenades, which was blown up as a precaution. He was ruled "not guilty" and freed (but no one paid his court costs for him, so he was punished again).

But, this sort of treatment of citizens suspected of some crime would be okay if, say, the police had discovered evidence of a misdemeanor unrelated to the "crime" they are being detained for?

The exclusionary rules are intended to keep the rest of us safe from cops going fishing, not to punish the police.

The Law and the Concept of "Good Faith"
As a retired law enforcement officer, I say "Kudos!" to the Roberts court for upholding not only the concept of good faith on the part of those who police us, but also that of just plain old common sense. I see absolutely no reason to turn a criminal loose simply because an officer acting in good faith made a procedural error. The operative term, of course, is "acting in good faith". As much as some of the commentators here want to clap them in irons or sue them into penury, I cannot see where the law enforcement personnel involved in this case acted in bad faith.

If judges can decide as to guilt or innocence, they should surely be able to determine if the officer acted in good faith or not. Planting evidence, perjury, or any other dishonest act on the part of a law enforcement officer earns him/her the opprobrium deserved and a prison sentence. And yes, it also merits a "walk" for the accused. A good faith error on the part of law enforcement should not.




Goldberg:
My gut reaction to this particular case, as it
has been in many other similar types, punish
the offender on both ends - in other words,
the cop and the guy who committed a crime.

My other gut reaction is that anything that happens in Alabama, involving the law, is suspect.

Bravo!
I've thought for years that the exclusionary rule is ridiculous, and I used to be a lawyer. Besides all of Goldberg's good points, the thinking behind the rule is flawed in this way: cops will be more motivated to obey the rules if their own jobs/freedom/money are jeopardized by breaking the rules than if convictions are jeopardized. The incentives are all wrong. But the left wing has never understood incentives, and isn't likely to start now.

Exactly What Woudl Be The POint
of having a 4th amendment if police could violate it at will?

I am always amused by right wingers who think the only amendment that matters is the second.


Why Bother?
Jonah and his state worshipping pals welcome us to the USSA.

What if some cop decides to arrest some scum-of-the-Earths on Jonah's block? He busts down the doors, shoots their dogs and finds a little marijuana or a hot cell phone in Jonah's house? Will Jonah feel better in jail knowing that the cop may have to pay a penalty?

Hey Jonah - then WE will all be safe from you!

Mendicus
" the left wing has never understood incentives, and isn't likely to start now. "

Perhaps you would like to take a look at my
post which is just below yours. I am one of
those left wingers you are talking about. And
I might add that we understand incentives very
well.

Tammy
Great. Your "gut" has led you to a reasonable conclusion (other than the bit about Alabama). Perhaps it will become reliable enough to lead you completely away from the left wing.

John
No one is suggesting the police can violate the 4th amendment at will.

I'm always frustrated by left-wingers who mistake red herrings for arguments.

John
In which post did you see anyone! saying that the police can violate the 4th amendment at will? It must be my internet connection, because I missed it. Perhaps if you actually read the comments you would see that the issue is magically doing away with a crime, because of errors. The real solution is to prosecute all crimes when found and,...AND..set up a way of dealing with errors afterward, and if necessary prosecute there also.

It could be
The law may be set up the way it is to make sure that law enforcement officers pay special attention to following the protocols set forth for them by the law.

I can understand the outrage at a known criminal being released after a procedural error but I believe that it is necessary to an extent. Who is in charge with punishing the cops? Who would make sure they actually got punished? Who decides on the punishment?

You have to ask those questions because you have to consider the possibility that law enforcement officers would take advantage of it. They could break the laws of due process purposefully knowing full well they won't receive any punishment, or maybe a very light punishment like a reprimand that would be more for show than anything else.

I'm all for protecting innocent people and for criminals to be handled by our justice system, but we have to make sure that our law enforcement people take great pains to follow the same law that we expect them to enforce.

That said, and in this case, the officers had no reason to believe the warrant was unusable and there should be exceptions designed into the system to take that into account.

No Way
When you have cops viewing everyone they see or come across on a regular basis as criminals, and give them the power to rummage through your life until they find something, we are all in trouble.

Same kind of argument is made for the use of cameras everywhere, along with facial recognition. If you haven't done anything, why be against it? Right...

These arguments are used to allow the state to move further and further into our lives. They are wrong, wrong headed, and un-American.

We live by the rule of law, but that cannot be allowed to be taken to the extreme of allowing law enforcement to do anything, legal or not, to catch someone.

When you think that all is well, that they only come for "them", you had better watch for their boots at your doorstep one day.

Criminal activity by all
Criminal activity by all should be punished, not rewarded when a civil servant commit a criminal act. Liberals are alright with law enforcement being charged with crimes so much they forget to charge the original criminal with the crime that began the investigation in the first place. Liberals love using the terms human rights except when they are terrorizing someone.Liberals in advocacyy groups, human rights organizations, civil servant unions should face the same charges as law enforcement officers and the rest of society.

Ignorance of the law...
Why is it that ignorance of the law is no excuse for all except people who have been arrested numerous times, but must have their Miranda rights read to them each time? This is perhaps the most abused technicality. For any attorneys out there: why isn't one documented Miranda reading sufficient for the rest of an arrested person's life?

A little L libertarian's take
This is a difficult situation to determine. While I tend to distrust government, they do have legitimate uses, and law enforcement is one of them.

We need to take a situational approach to these things. Did the officer actually have probable cause? I say yes, he did. He was informed (albeit, incorrectly) by a third party that was considered trustworthy of the warrant and discovered the illicit materials. I'd argue over the merits of the laws being followed, especially the methanpheamine use (it isn't our place to dictate such behavior), but losing a firearm right for a felony is fine in my book and perfectly constitutional under the 5th Amendment, which allows life, liberty and property to be removed as long as it follows a fair application of the law. Anything in the US Constitution is liberty, so it works out. What the felony was now is a different story (I don't know and don't care enough to look up the case).

We can't blanket every situation with a singular application designed for a different set of circumstances. There was no criminal or abusive behavior on the part of Coffee County sherriff's department. The only time there's a problem is when an abusive or knowing violation of a person's rights is comitted to come up with the same evidence, but in that case, the offending police officer should share the punishment with the accused.

We can't let criminals off with technicalities, but we should carry out separate punishments for those who abuse their powers to gain the conviction. If Mr. Anderson had knowingly did this, Herring should still share his fate, but Mr. Anderson (sounds like I'm talking from The Matrix here) would need a lengthy jail sentence and a permanent banning from any position of power or authority.

punishing the constables
I agree that the "exclusionary rule" is illogical, that in a more ideal world misconduct by police would not result in a guilty person going free. But how else, practically speaking, do we prevent misconduct by police and make Constitutional protections something other than a mockery?

in principle the answer is simple. Suppose a policeman enters a home without a proper warrant and finds there evidence of who committed a murder. Instead of letting the murderer go free because the evidence of his guilt is "tainted", you hold two trials. You try and convict the murderer and subject him to the appropriate penalty (prison or the death penalty). And you also try the cop for breaking and entering and convict him and subject him to the lawful penalty for that crime (in addition to his losing his police job).

The practical problem is that in such a situation it would be hard to get a prosecutor to pursue the case against the cop, or a jury to convict him. The cry would be, "He did the right thing, he helped convict a murderer, so why are we worrying about that silly old Constitution?" Indeed, I'm sure some on the board here will be mortally offended by the thought that our noble men in blue ever do anything wrong or that they should be held legally accountable if they break the law themselves.

The Supreme Irony!
The single greatest shot over Obama's Titanic is that the NRA and American Gun-Sellers named BHO as "SALESMAN OF THE YEAR."

"It’s credit where credit is due,” says Shepherd, “Mr. Obama has consistently voted against individual rights to firearms, appointed a re-tread Clinton administration full of gun banners, and made it plain to anti-gun groups that despite what he might say to the contrary, he’s on their side.” That history, along with the unquestioned support of anti-gun organizations, Shepherd says, has spooked consumers into a buying frenzy for firearms that could be outlawed in another Assault Weapons Ban…
Sales are so good that on Tuesday, January 6, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) issued a notice to all federal firearms licensees that “an unprecedented increase in demand for ATF Form 4473” had run supplies low enough that dealers were temporarily given permission to photocopy the form until supplies caught up with demand…
In fact, Shepherd says, gun and ammunition sales are at such frantic levels that they have surpassed the panic-buying of Y2K or anything during the Clinton years when the first Assault Weapons Ban was passed.


And, only earlier this week, I thought that the greatest irony was that the food police wanted a "Carbon Tax" to combat global warming/climate change/global cooling imposed on Fat Al Gore.

only in America
I guess the logic here is if the officer found a dead body in the car, and the suspect did in fact murder him, they would claim his rights were violated. Sick and pathetic.

Laws
marmie writes:
"I've heard this argument many times. Boiled down, it says "If you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to fear." However, this is not entirely true. There are just too many verified cases of police planting evidence to make me comfortable with the idea of further weakening scrupulous protections for citizens."

And there is the simple matter that there are so many many laws (and more added every year) that more and more of us will break the laws. How many of you have a D-cell maglight in your car? In California that object matches the definition of a billy club which is a crime to possess.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cacodes/pen/12000-12003.html
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cacodes/pen/12020-12040.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackjack_(weapon)#Blackjack

Couldn't agree more Don Juan
If Geithner is guilty of those charges he needs to be put to work digging ditches on one of the public works projects he and Obama are planning.

Morality of the elite: it is only a crime if you get caught.

the letter of the law
according to this article, the man in question was attempting to retrieve an item from an impounded vehicle, the thoughtful officer ran a warrant check on him in the officers jurisdiction that came up negative, just for good measure, the officer thought to run a warrant check in a neighboring county that came back positive. regardless of the result, i have a problem with this, first, what probable cause did the officer have to initiate a warrant search? the guys looks or did he do something threatening or provocative? or is it procedure to run a warrant check on all individuals who have had a vehicle impounded? and if that is the case then why stop at the 1st or 2nd county, why not search the entire database of the state and nation. the fact that the warrant turned out to be a non-warrant only muddies the water even further. of course walking into police impound station with meth in your possession was a foolish thing to do, so this knucklehead definately has to take responsibility for his stupidity, but, the warrant search if it was done for lack of probable cause doesn't justify the end in my opinion. i have heard too many instances of non-warrants used to do similar arrests for it to be coincidense btw.

anyone
who thinks that police officers would be punished in any meaningful way for infringing on the rights of the accused just does not understand the situation. i challenge those of you who think that there is any justice in our courts to go to court and watch. what you will see in an endless procession of people being prosecuted, found guilty, and fined for posession of unaproved substances, for use of legal substances like alchohol, and for unproven traffic offenses. no proof required, only the testimony or one very interested police officer in front of one very interested judge. meanwhile, the police give a pass to political arch-felons, illegal immigrants, and dishonest law enforcement personnel. the laws have been twisted until the accused are automatically guilty, unless they are actually guilty of corruption, bribery, illegally hiring illegale, or being illegal immigrants. my proposal is that we have sanctuary cities where no laws are enforced until such time as all laws are enforced.

I TOTALLY AGREE!!!
I have always thought it stupid to allow a criminal to walk away scot free because the police screwed up a search warrant and the judge dismissed the evidence. What should be done is to use the evidence and punish the police who broke the law too. Then the public is still protected and the police learn a valuable lesson.

Instead the police on the payroll of the criminals rush over and seize all the evidence (with the criminal's help) if it looks as if he will be arrested so none of the evidence can be used. And no one gets punished except the public.

So that we do not punish the innocent
Our entire law system is going out the door.
The purpose of every restriction on the government is so that we do not punish the innocent.

We as a society have agreed that it is worse to punish an innocent man than to let a guilty man go free.

This is well articulated by John Adams.

However, this ideal has been so twisted as to make it unrecognizable in almost every case today.

If a man or woman has broken a law and it is clear in this case he has--then he should be punished.

The police officers broke no law. They followed procedure and with the information in hand found illicit drugs and illegal firearm.

The idiocy is that this is not an innocent man by any measure. Decrying that he would not have been caught if it were not because of a clerical error is pure drivel.

That is like you finding your wife cheating on you by accident then giving her a mulligan because you came home early.

Silly--absolutely ridiculous.

Now, there are police officer's who may lie or distort this situation. These people are breaking the law and should be punished and the criminal set free.

But from what I see here--this man is guilty period. The police did not plant the drugs, or gun or make up a story regarding the person. These would be reasons to allow the innocent freedom.
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