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Friday, January 02, 2009
Jonah Goldberg :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Squeegee Men of the New World Order
by Jonah Goldberg
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If you're old enough to have been around in the 1980s, and possibly even if you aren't, you probably know the name Leon Klinghoffer. A wheelchair-bound elderly businessman, Klinghoffer was murdered and dumped over the side of the cruise ship Achille Lauro by Palestinian terrorists in 1985.

But do you remember Gavriel Holtzberg? He was an American executed in Mumbai in November. His wife Rivka, an Israeli, was six months pregnant and was also executed at close range. How about Naomi and Alan Scherr? Naomi was Alan's 13-year-old daughter. They were killed while having dinner in their Mumbai hotel. Paul Johnson Jr.? He was one of several Americans kidnapped and executed in 2004 in Saudi Arabia.

We don't remember these names because nobody made a big deal about them. It's not that their deaths were considered trivial events when they happened. But it was merely the news of the day, maybe the week, and little more.

Now compare that to Klinghoffer. His murder was a worldwide event. Presidents and prime ministers thundered their outrage. Newspapers editorialized ad nauseam about the cowardice and villainy of the perpetrators.

Yasir Arafat's PLO had to play along, pretending they would never be involved in such a heinous act. Farouk Kaddoumi, Arafat's "foreign minister," suggested that Klinghoffer's wife had murdered and dumped her husband overboard to collect the insurance money. For the record, the Klinghoffers took the cruise to celebrate their 36th wedding anniversary.

In 1993, near the height of America's anger over out-of-control crime, Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan wrote a seminal article for the American Scholar on "defining deviancy down." Moynihan argued that crime had gotten so out of control, Americans responded by simply defining deviancy down until many crimes seemed normal.

One of his more famous examples was the St. Valentine's Day Massacre. On Feb. 14, 1929, seven gangsters were killed by rival gangsters. "The nation was shocked. The event became legend ..." Moynihan observed. "I leave it to others to judge, but it would appear that the society in the 1920s was simply not willing to put up with this degree of deviancy. In the end, the Constitution was amended, and Prohibition, which lay behind so much gangster violence, ended." But by the early 1990s, the United States was experiencing the equivalent of a St. Valentine's Day Massacre every weekend.

One response to the crime epidemic was to redefine violent crime as a "public health issue." Traditional law enforcement was simply incapable of dealing with the "social pathologies" and "root causes" of the wave of gun violence and the like.

Fortunately, this approach, while far from dead, was relegated to the back burner by the successes of anti-crime initiatives in places like Rudy Giuliani's New York. The solution, it largely turned out, wasn't to become more tolerant of criminality by recasting it as a cultural or lifestyle choice or by invoking root causes (as The New York Times often did), but to become less tolerant of crime. In New York, turnstile jumpers, graffiti artists, even the infamous "squeegee men" were treated as the lawbreakers they were. One heartening moral of the story is that sometimes deviancy can be defined back up.

We learned a similar moral after 9/11. For years -- starting around the time of Klinghoffer's murder, as it happens -- policymakers in both parties debated how to define terrorism. Is it a law-and-order issue or a military threat? If it's a military threat, how do we define a "proportionate response" -- this legalistic phrase entered the national-security lexicon back then, too. By the end of the 1990s, the best and the brightest of the Clinton administration found the answer in a lawerly kind of proportionality, blowing up empty office buildings as a way to "send a message" in response to attacks on America and her interests.

After 9/11, the gloves were off. The far left beseeched the government to retaliate with, at most, a proportionate response, but no one cared. We toppled the Taliban as a warm-up act. Terrorists weren't criminals anymore, they were enemy combatants, ineligible for the Geneva Conventions. But the war in Iraq and reports of American zeal in the war on terror have left a sour taste in our mouths. That there have been no terrorist attacks on our soil only bolsters the sense that terrorism is manageable, even banal. Barack Obama leads a counteroffensive from a legal establishment that wants to treat terrorists like any other criminals. Terrorists in Mumbai or Jeddah are little more than the squeegee men of the New World Order.

This vain legalism will run its course for a good long while, I suspect. And we will hear and then forget a lot of names before we relearn some hard lessons.

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Bin Laden
I bet Osama thought that the U.S. reaction to 9/11 would be that we would lob a few missles in his direction and then forget about it. That is what happened under Clinton. I bet he was very surprised by the scale of the response.

Response to the new Squeegeemen:
The Obama regime will respond like most attorneys: they will privately wet their collective pants and outwardly do what they do best sue someone. The toughest reponse will be to read wome their rights. Very Sad.

Mumbai Let Their Guard Down
Mumbai, the UK and the Netherlands let their guards down and now they've been infiltrated by mass immigration into their countries which have been changed forever as the Islamic terrorist government has established a serious presence in their countries. Fear is the biggest enemy of any country. Compromises is the next major blunder that a country can make. The failure to establish that America is for immigrants who want to assimilate and love our country and our people rather than dictate changes to our country should be written into the laws of the land and mandated for all people, not for tolerating the few who threaten or abuse our laws to take over a country because our leaders were fearful and compromised our democratic freedoms and jeporadized the invasion of a second government.

Squegee men
Excellent article.

One small point: to describe a killing as an "execution" is incorrect as far as terrorist homicides. The word comes from the phrase " execution of sentence" and thereby implies the obvious impossibility that terrorists possess legitimate judicial power.

Victims of terrorists are murdered, plain and simple.

Squegee men
Excellent article.

One small point: to describe a killing as an "execution" is incorrect as far as terrorist homicides. The word comes from the phrase " execution of sentence" and thereby implies the obvious impossibility that terrorists possess legitimate judicial power.

Victims of terrorists are murdered, plain and simple.

Russian Professor Igor Panarin...
has garnered some attention in his homeland as his previuosly ignored prediction of several years ago, regarding the financial/ moral collapse, and ultimate civil war within the united states, seems, to observant Russians at least, to be a real possibility.
The Professor predicted some time ago that the U.S., because of it moral decay, dubious financial/business/trade practices, as well as unfettered immigration, would implode, leading to eventual civil war and the breakup of the nation into six seperate countries.
He asserts that the vast number of immigrants do not care about American sovereignty or upholding American values/culture.
He also predicts that Russia would then re-take Alaska. Could he be correct?
With so many within this country, including many of our elected officials oblivious or apathetic to what is going on, it would seem the Professor may be on to something.

Terrorists are deadly serious as are we-
Conservatives most certainly do not consider terrorism to be anything remotely on the same level as the annoyance of NY squeegee men. We take them seriously and believe the only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.

Only liberals are soft on terrorists and terrorism. But when they loose a friend or relative to terrorist activity, they will awaken to the danger immediately. It takes personal pain to get their attention because the pain of others outside of their immediate family means little or nothing to them. They are the center of their universe and we only circle around them as those whose natural god given task it is to somehow worship them on a constant basis.

Mac, Panarin correct, timing the issue
I have long believed the same thing as the good Professor only I think we will break up into 50 sovereign states. The South was correct. They were not really fighting over slavery as northern historians have falsely said, and they had a natural right to leave the Union. They were viciously invaded and conquered by the aggressor North in flagrant violation of that natural right. My Texas, a former sovereign nation, and other independently minded states should secede now to avoid the looming civil war that will be quite destructive and could involve the use of nuclear weapons. (We cannot afford to loose Alaska to the Russians for several excellent reasons.)

All form's of SQUEEGEEMEN
Jonah Goldberg, a fabulas article !!! Rose, you are so right. Strike down this so called world order. Let's keep reminding the world of the past, GOOD and evil. This will always help our leaders, to make much better choices. I say " when GOOD PEOPLE do nothing, evil people rule ". I say "when we, crush the head of satan, we truly honor GOD". Can we remember, back in the early 80's. spinks raped and murded six nurses in a Chicago Hospital dometory. ( please check this out, Mr. Goldberg). All the bleeding heart liberals, HILLARY,(satan deciples) sceemed so loud, NO CALITAL PUNISHMENT.It cost American taxpayers $65,000 each year to provide for his protection,safety and comford. In our "correctional institution" (JAIL). Then he murded two fellow inmatesin (PRISON). Beware, America, SQUEEGES, come in all form's. Mr Goldburg,keep up the good work !!! A word to the wise is sufficient.

Bush II doesn't look so bad now...
I doubt that the liberal naricism would be broken by anything for long. When the attack on 9/11 struck New York City liberals were right back to their submission to anyone and anything within months. It seems you can kill 2,800 Americans on American soil and the liberal talking heads still think it is Bush's fault.

To Hell with "Proportional" Response!

Terrorist insanity DELIBERATELY targets civilians. Those civilians are NOT unintentional "collateral damage". They ARE the intended target.
The response to such DELIBERATE targeting of the innocent should be 100 times greater, in TARGETED intensity against the perpetrators, than the attacks of the terrorists themselves. For every loss of individual life on our side, they should lose 10x10 of their own insurgents and/or political leaders who support them.
Yes, our response SHOULD be SPECIFIC and carefully targeted . . . but OVERWHELMING in its intensity and the damage caused to the enemy's military capability, refuges and infrastructure. These monsters DELIBERATELY use civilians as human shields when their combatants hide in civilian villages and homes, and use those same homes to fire on our own, or allied, troops. Then, when their own fighters are killed, the survivors take their weapons, so that ALL the dead can be portrayed as "innocent civilians". This tactic is used in Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan . . . ad nauseam. Those responsible should be made to suffer losses so great that they cannot re-populate fast enough to create a sufficient number of new indoctrinated recruits. Their very ground . . . as ROME did to Carthage . . . should be "salted".

Humans Always Forget
Humanity is a saga of hard lessons learned and then immediately forgotten. The need to control a nation's borders. The need to protect a nation's money. That government can't really do anything for you without first doing something to you. That politicians exist to serve themselves first. The list goes on. Obviously an item on the list would be you can't treat someone who wants to destroy your civilization as if they just robbed a 7-11.

Relearning these lessons is painful but no matter how many times they are learned they are quickly forgotten. We set ourselves up for continued misery by not learning for keeps. What is it about the human condition that dictates we have to endure this pain over and over?


Bush
The only thing that's Bush's fault is the bailout and not pardoning Compean & Ramos which he will be remembered from destroying two families.

We expect the border agents to protect us and when they do they get locked up it won't be long it will be open borders no one will work the borders.

The Coming Crack-Up
I think Prof. Panarin has a very good point. Many Americans don't seem to have the gonads to defend the country from assaults from illegal immigrants, homosexuals, and libertine liberals. It's like the sheriff in the old western movie when asked to help defend his town from outlaws says, "I don't have the stomach for that any more."

There doesn't seem to be a consensus on the part of American people any more in defending itself. Liberals downgrade the threat of the killers in Gitmo and want them to receive trials in U.S. courts, sneer at traditional marriage ceremonies between a man and a woman, lobby for the abolition of drug laws, and downgrade the country's Christian foundations.

Given these adverse trends, the break-up of America is probably inevitable.

Good thing terrorists are stupid and
watch too much teevee.

If they took the trouble to study the countries they are attacking, they might blow up more significant targets -- but then of course they would get their butts whipped when they discovered that even a dysfunctional family stands together when you take that one step too far.

Are you noticing that more and more stories are out there about people who shoot back? Even here in Canada, land of the morally invertibrate, people are taking baseball bats and axes to those who try to rob or mug them (we are not allowed to carry ANY weapons of self defence here, becaus that would be admitting that we have criminals). When the government wont protect us, the posse will. Look for more of this in 2009.

It will be a time of testing
Biden may have been right about Obama being tested early, the stage is certainly set for it. The Russians are acting like Russians again, Chavez isn't getting any saner and the M.E. is doing it thing as usual.

Our own government has been filling the country up with foreign nationals, both legal and illegal, who have no concept of American liberty or sovereignty.

The odds that our sieve-like borders have allowed the next group of 9/11 type terrorists to infiltrate seem very good and we have just elected a president on a basis more typical of American idol than the American presidency.

I have seen the Russkie professor's breakup map. Is this guy supposed to be an American expert? The alignments he proposes are as non-nonsensical as the M.E. redraw, post WWI.

My instincts all say we will return to lawyering and blowing up Advil factories with the occasional foray into some civil war as the military returns to it's "meals on wheels" assignment.

Personally, I don't think Mr. Obama has the stomach to fight and nothing he has said in last two years should lead us to believe he has acquired it.

A point of usage
Mr. Goldberg, you started off well by reminding us that Leon Klinghoffer was _murdered_. Then you lapsed into political correctness. Gavriel and Rivka Holtzberg and the others were not "executed." They too were murdered. Please don't dignify terrorism with euphemism.

excellent article !
average americans soon forget and their only consern is what's on the front page,terriosts don't forget.they plan for in 5 years,we don't plan for next month.dhck out this http: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZW71e_3ZWc&feature=related ,not related but I wish someone would report on this.

What about the USS Liberty?
The attack on the USS Liberty by the State of Israel in 1967 is down the memory hole.

go to http://www.ussliberty.org for more details.

Our great "ally" in the Middle East, ha ha. What a joke that is?

Is Jonathan Pollard still petitioning for a pardon?

Ponderous Stuff
We can only hope that our next attack will be big, spectacular and devastating, not just a minor incident like 9/11. Sure, it's too bad it has to happen, but it's necessary, sadly.

It's not nice to fool Mother Nature. She's a byytche. But like all competent mothers, she has reasons for her seeming cruelty. Species that have lost the will to survive, or refuse to because it's too hard, will be eliminated. This is because creatures that are too sickly or lazy to care for themselves are a burden to the environment. They consume valuable resources that other, more deserving, life forms need for their survival.

The West, including America, has become too complacent. We're too fat, lazy and stupid and, frankly, there's too many of us. We refuse to properly respond to threats by predators. We don't want to care for ourselves so we vote for Obama and other communists who promise to weaken productive citizens so that they can be robbed to feed the weakest among us.

This can't go on forever. One or both calamities must befall us. Either we'll finally collapse our economy and then turn on each other, or we will be attacked in a big way by Islam, Russia, China and the rest of the world like is done by lions and tigers stalking wildabeasts(sp?) in Africa.

Either way, it's useless to await our leaders to get the message. It is each one's responsibility to get prepared. Some have already done so and this is why the gun and safe stores are empty. If you don't already own at least one ugly, nasty military assault weapon with lots of magazines and ammunition, you're almost too late.

Hopefully, your demise will be quick and you won't have to watch your spouses and kids be tortured and killed too long before your throats are slit.

Moynihan was right back then
What is PC politics but a method of defining deviancy down?
Our social conventions have been under attck for years because of this lunacy.
Does anyone think that 50 years ago we would accept homos attacking traditional marriage in order to force acceptance of deviant behavior?

Would we be giving awards to fools for "music" celebrating drugs, criminal behavior, the murder of police officers and the degradation of women?

Would we be in this mortgage mess if we had insisted that the standards for home ownership be enforced?

Politicians in their ever-widening search for more votes and power, pander to every conceivable interest group with no regard for what they are doing and have done to this country.

We used to have standards of behavior in this country, it was called civility, instead of insisting that people adhered to those standards of common decency, we defined them down to the least common denominator so some wouldn't feel bad about themselves.

You reap what you sow.

Neal_Bush
The attack on the Liberty and the traitor Pollack are nasty blots on the Israeli record and both are infuriating. However, its important not to throw out the baby with the bathwater. In the final analysis, both America and Israel can be expected to at least try to act in their own best interests. Nothing strange about that. In both the Liberty and pollack case, the US was part of the problem. Suffice it to say that the Liberty got to where neither the rulers of Israel or the US wanted her to be. It was a messup involving lots of people on both sides, which is the reason both countries support the official lie it was a case of mistaken ID. I don't know much about the origination of the Pollack spying. My memory is that he was an unrecruited volunteer. Can'r really blame Israel for acepting his offer. We do the same thing every chance we get. Moreover, we get far more info from the powerful Israeli humint operations than they get from the Sat stuff we trade for it.

Pistol -Liberty
The Liberty incident has more to it then is commonly acknowledged. At the time the American government was not monolithic, in fact it was heavily divided between Arab apologists in the oil business with their purchased sycophants in the state dept and those that considered this part of the general cold war.
The Liberty was reporting real-time Intel to the Saudis. Period. At the request of the state dept.
The Israelis got reports of this FROM OUR SIDE.
They took action.
The mistake was on our side for not reigning in the traitors at state. Nothing has changed in that regard. State is STILL full of traitors IMHO.

Question for Goldberg
Excellent article and I agree with everything you say. I would like to know, in your opinion, if anything will be left of democracy and freedom in the United States when "we relearn some hard lessons"?

HIGHJACKERS, TRAITORS AND TERRORISTS
What's the difference? Our Country went on record that we do not negotiate with highjackers. Traitors and terrorists are no different.
Highjackers, traitors and terrorists commit crimes against an entire Country or society, not simply individuals.
I believe, our Justice system, by means of the Supreme Court, should establish a separate, independent Court system, be it Military or Federal to specifically charge, confine, investigate, judge and sentence or acquit any and all persons captured in the acts of highjacking, terrorism or treason. And no 'defendent', if you will, with proof of evidence of the crime/crimes committed (no matter how the evidence is obtained) can be 'acquited' and will be judged and sentenced.
Bill Ayres and his wife plotted and were accomplices to terrorist attacks and murder, all with proof of evidence of their crimes and no matter how that evidence was secured these terrorists and tritors should have been put in prison and should still be there today. They are no different than Timothy McVey, except that they are 'free' alive and well, teaching our youth their 'philosophy' and are more than neighbors to barry and his wife.

Myk #11: Absolutely right! "our response

SHOULD be SPECIFIC and carefully targeted . . . but OVERWHELMING in its intensity and the damage caused to the enemy's military capability, refuges and infrastructure."



This is the bottom line, "Here's my strategy (on the Cold War:) We win, they lose." - Ronald Reagan


Terrorism and Legality
While I do remember Leon Klinghoffer and his murder, I as well as many others did not "wake up" until after 9/11. I've not slept since rhetorically speaking and have pursued the subject on a constant basis for 6 years.

I've learned much; I've learned to take radical Islam at it's word, I've learned that the vision of radical Islam is patient and focused on the long term and I've learned we are not equipped to deal with it here at home.

Any approach based on legalisms, within the context of current law is doomed to failure. This approach demands that we wait on the crime. This approach empowers the NY Times to expose national security programs with no response.

We are not equipped to effectively deal with the methods of terrorism within the current legal construct and I see no movement to adjust that legal construct.

I fear another 9/11 will be required to wake us. I fear that the next 9/11 will be domestically generated as a result of political correctness meaning more that protection of the nation. I fear the next one will come to be judged as preventable had we only_______________ fill in the blank from the available list of politically correct positions!

Doom and Gloom
The left has succeeded in stopping harsh action against the Muslim terrorists by making a false equivalency between Christianity and Islam.
We will will leave Iraq high and dry, as we have done so many times to "liberated" nations. We already have the blood of Cambodians and Kurds on our hands for our inaction. Barry will continue this cowardice.

By murdering our own children (40 million abortions), we have left our elderly with the great Ponzi scheme of social security, wrecking our industry. Now the left will tax us back to the stone age after the worst financial crisis in our lifetimes. The global warming swindle will cost us trillions to correct something that isn't happening. Happy New Year

Dennis-VA: You're spot on!

And what I keep asking is, "What part of 'Death to America' and 'Wipe America off the face of the earth'" do some people NOT understand???


rivenburg
I can not confirm your charge that the Israelis attacked the Liberty because she was transmitting real-time intelligence to the Saudis. Israel was certainly concerned that she might do so. My information is that Israel expressed concerns long before Liberty had any data to send to the Saudis. Mis-communication and delayed communications, as well (as you note) differing camps/opinions in both Israel and the US at the highest level, down to grunts behind guns, added to a really rotten situation. The level of confusion is best confirmed by the launching and then recalling of US Navy jets to rescue the Liberty by attacking the assaulting Israeli jets, and by the Israelis offering aid (which was refused) very shortly after they killed and wounded so many American sailors.
You are correct about high-placed traitors, including the State department. The Venona project more than proved it. Yet we still find useful idiots vigorously defending Hiss, White and the Rosenbergs.

Anne, to answer your question
""What part of 'Death to America' and 'Wipe America off the face of the earth'" do some people NOT understand???"

Apparently moonbats think that they're immune from radioactive fallout.

Obama's Dumbest Statement Ever?

"Islam can be compatible with the modern world. It can be a partner with the Christian & Jewish & Hindu & Buddhist faiths in trying to create a better world." Barak Obama 2008 Democratic Compassion Forum at Messiah College Apr 13, 2008

compatible = capable of existing together in harmony.
Islam is a 700 AD religion and has NO rights for women.

partner = to join as a partner.
Islam and the Jewish religion partners?
================================================
"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."
Barack Obama from 'Audacity of Hope'

Obama thinks Hamas and Iran can become partners with America and Israel?

“At the “World Without Zionism” conference held in Tehran in October 2005, as the crowd chanted “death to Israel, death to America, death to England,” the Iranian President Ahminajead said...with the help of the Almighty, we shall soon experience a world without America and Zionism, notwithstanding those who doubt.”

Obama is talking about negotiating with the madman from Iran who has stated in no uncertain terms that America and Israel will be destroyed in Ahminajeads lifetime?


New World Order
Excellent article!

The tendency to excuse and not appropriately punish aberrant behavior nowadays is part of the recipe for the slow or not so slow disintegration of the Nation.

So, true. Already, tv, papers
are full of weeping and wailing for the Palestinians and the latest horror they started.

Hamas lobs THOUSANDS (1000s) of missiles into Israel endlessly, have done so since israel *freed Gaza,* and I see no tearing of hair and beating of breats at the UN, the NYSlimes, and appropriate enablers.

Jews are killed by Muslim murderers daily (they are all murders; the PLO and Hamas, Hezbollah, the Muslim Brotherhood, et. al. are NOT regular army: THEY RE ALL CIVILIANS; THEY HIDE AMONG CIVILIANS; THEY USE WOMEN AND BABIES AS SHIELDS), but the MSM worldwide and the *Muslim press* harp ceaselessly on Israel's *proportionality* and *response.* What drivel.

The Israelis should shock and awe the entire world by nuking Gaza. What would the UN do? Issue a resolution? What would the Muslims do? They can barely run the nations they claim.

As long as Israel only *responds* and doesn't win, the enemy thinks it can continue as it has for 60 years. Israel would never live down a nuclear bomb, as we have never lived down Hiroshiuma and Nagasaki, but on the other hand, they ended the war, forever.

Another curious thing ...
... started happening about the same time Moynihan observed that deviancy was being defined down: Americans, frustrated with a legal system that could not put (much less keep) criminals behind bars, started putting themselves behind bars in response. Gated communities and barred windows and doors began popping up.

Squeegee men creators
8 years of Bush/Cheney and we are more vulnerable than ever.

...18 days and counting

nomo
How in the heck are we more vulnerable than ever? What attack has occurred on American soil since 9-11. If had Algore was president we'd still be trying to extradite the "criminals" from Afghanistan. Since the liberal wackos want to treat terrorist attacks as criminal investigations. These people want to kill us they want their version of a Muslim theocracy everywhere. Grow up...

Ret Geek: re "Obama's Dumbest Statement

Ever?"

At last count, there were approx. 1247 Obama statements and/or proclamations that qualify, but that number is shifting upwards, day by day.

================================================
"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."
Barack Obama from 'Audacity of Hope'

Interesting how Obama's henchmen deal with that statement. If one googles "stand with muslims" along with a number of other key words, even "Audacity of Hope" factcheck.ORG takes you to a page on their site that denies that statement was ever in "Dreams of My Father."


Why the 2nd Amendment is more important.
When citizens are armed or more importantly may be armed, the criminals have to contend with the fact that the potential victim may fight back or that armed by-standers might intercede. If Bush/Cheney have failed "momo" will you equallly castigate Obama if no terrorists act in America. I don't abrogate my defense to the police or the politicians. As a gun owner I stand in defense of my fellow citizens and I and others like me refuse to capitulate like so many of the victims listed in this article. I instead remember Robert Stethem USN killed by hijackers but not without a fight. If he had been armed,things would have gone differently.Government refusal to accept the security of an armed populace is the ultimate indicator of their fear of an armed electorate.

Go to Mumbai and..
Get kidnapped or killed there and we're supposed to be shocked? If a bear does his duty in the woods are we shocked?
This isn't Schenectady we're talking about.
There is a saying: Foolish ways will shorten your days. Stay the heaven out of Mumbai, dummies.

As for Obama... though he seems to be garnering for himself a realistic world view bit by bit, should he not quite get there in time I am sure the bad guys from organizations like the Taliban will try to give him the graduate course. And should they be that bold, I will expect Obama to b.itch slap them a good one.

southerncon
Bush/Cheney = squeegee man creator

that is the bad news

good news is this very sad chapter will be ending very soon

only 18 days and the rebuilding begins -- and what a mess we are in

southerncon: nomo hasn't a clue what

he's talking... or yammering about.

In fact, most of nomo's posts don't even make sense.


Now, as of Jan. 21st, nomo may have a point, but he doesn't even get that!

PC Death wish
This article is correct. While talking with my PC Cousin over the holidays I discovered how far the idea of defining crime as not really crime has gone.

My cousin, a newly minted occupational therapist, has gotten a job in Phoenix teaching 3-6 graders how to hold pencils and scissors. For this she must go around daily, from school to school in some of the worst neighborhoods in the city. Our Uncle, a Marine from the Vietnam era, was asking her about protection, and did she need him to get her into a concealed-carry class, or find her a hand gun. Her wonderful PC response? "Uncle Richard, I would just lay down and die. I could never shoot another human being, even if they were going to kill me" Uncle Richard then noted that they don't always just shoot you on the street, they do other horrible things to you before they murder you. Her eyes glazed over and the conversation ended.

This is how far this junk has gone. To my cousin a rapist/murderer is just a fellow traveler, and not an enemy of the people. She views him as someone whose right to murder outweighs her right to live. Completely amazing.

She has a PC death wish, you could see it in her eyes, she is just waiting to proove that she is SOOOOOO PEACEFUL, and LOVING, that she will allow any crime to be committed against her and not lift a finger in response. I hope for her Mother and Father's sake she never gets to fullfill this wish.

hi anne
at least we agree on the 21st being an end to idiocy of Bush/Cheney.

...for some reason I thought you were Bush supporter.

re: Russian Professor Igor Panarin
The good professor will be correct about the demise of America when we forget (or ignore) who we are and what we stand for. Here's a video that concerns me, because the "hate" crowd is larger than the "justice" crowd ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3Xl68kP4wo

We need to act like what we stand for.

http://afencepost.blogspot.com/2008/12/conflict-management. html

Where's the outrage from Hollywood?
So, if the media, which CEO’s are generally of the Jewish persuasion, are against the defensive attacks from their own people, that makes the traitors. Question is where Hollywood’s outrage and why aren’t they calling the media anti-Semitic? I think since liberals run rampant there as well, they’ll over look the anti-Semitic tirade. But why? Where are the usual suspects who scream their anti-Semitic tirades? Where are Dustin Hoffman, Jeffery Katzenberg, Steven Spielberg and Barbara Streisand complaining about the anti-semitic tilt of the media in favor of the Palestine/Hamas? They all promote liberal causes and candidates so I guess they are sticking to the candidates instead of their religious heritage. I guess you have to look at the hypocrites that they truly are. They play patriots in films when they aren’t in real life. I guess that makes them Jews on paper, but not in real life. They appear more interested in the liberal agenda and from what I can gather it’s the abolishment of all religions except the Muslim religion. And, the abolishment of all types of government except socialism/Marxism/communism. Well, at least their true agenda has come to the surface. And we at least now know who the true hypocrites in Hollywood are are.

Muslims
Every event named above involved ISLAMIC terrorism.

They and the ACLU and everyone who wants to protect them need to go.

And any "peace" loving muslim needs to speak out against their violent, murderous brethren or they are just as guilty.

Goldberg
"Barack Obama leads a counteroffensive from a legal establishment that wants to treat terrorists like any other criminals. "

Yes, we are going to return to the John Wayne America we grew up with and will continue to ridicule and shun the amoral neocon scum that have wormed their way onto our political landscape.

For the hundredths time.

Torture does NOT help us fight terrorism, nor does invading the wrong countries, like Iraq.

Marc,
Sooo, we should all be packing 45s.

Achille Lauro and Klinghoffer

One of my Travel Snippets

The day of our sailing on the SS Odysseus from Athens, Greece, on our way to Istanbul and the Black Sea, we arrived at the dock in Pireás, the port of Athens, and found there were no customs agents, and no security check.

At the dock next to ours, the passenger ship Achille Lauro, reminded us of potential problems with terrorism. In 1985 the Achille Lauro had been hijacked in Egyptian waters, and one of its passengers, Leon Klinghoffer, was killed.

The Achille Lauro was truly a bad luck ship. In the ‘60s, she was rocked by an explosion and a fire; later involved in a collision with a cargo ship, one person died; then in 1981 suffered yet another fire; in 1985 the hijacking; and in 1994 while cruising off Somalia, Africa, in the Indian Ocean, yet another fire broke out, two passengers died, and the Achille Lauro sank.

ColinCody
Unfortunately to a liberal they (themselves) are the center of the universe. Not even a family member who is murdered can take away from that love affair.

When violence takes away a loved one they immediately begin a "celebration of that persons life" and not let the murderer take away from this joyous event.

Do you ever hear a family member speak out about making sure the police do their best not to bring this "person" in alive?

No they want "closure".

To a rational person closure is making damned sure this idiot goes 6 feet under.

Taft,
Yeah, but torture feels so good – similar to war – shoot em up duke.


...18 days

Turn the perpetrators cities into glass.
The only thing that the muslim "terrorist" understands is SUPERIOR APPLICATION OF FORCE. The next "terrorist incident" should be greeted with a warning: a city will be destroyed. Then DO IT. Publish a list of cities without assigning an order of preference. Let the muslim "terrorist" guess which one will be targeted. For those who are concerned that "terrorists" are in possession of "nukes", they may possess them but they do not have DELIVERY SYSTEMS.
I would be willing to bet that after the first city goes down, ANY muslim that spoke of "terrorism would be summarily "put down" by their own people.
Problem solved.

Dexter
Thanks! You are right on.

Everyone
Please don't respond to the mentally ill morons who are probably sitting in some sort of assisted living facility right now banging out their stupidity because that is all they are programmed to do.

They are "useful idiots" who are only doing what they are told.

Do you read anything in their posts worth reasonable debate? There is no reason involved and they just need someone to annoy because no one wants to be around them or listen to them.


Excellent column, of course....

But, as usual, we have our intellectually limited left wingers show up to not only PROVE, but PROVE BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT, that there are left wing lunatics out there who are either too stupid or naive to "get it."

nomo doesn't get (much of anything really) that whether or not Obama is a muslim at heart, ("I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction." Barack Obama from 'Audacity of Hope'") his "plans" to deal with the biggest threat to the USA and the entire non-muslim world, will open the doors to our destruction.


Excellent column, of course....

But, as usual, we have our intellectually limited left wingers show up to not only PROVE, but PROVE BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT, that there are left wing lunatics out there who are either too stupid or naive to "get it."

nomo doesn't get (much of anything really) that whether or not Obama is a muslim at heart, ("I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction." Barack Obama from 'Audacity of Hope'") his "plans" to deal with the biggest threat to the USA and the entire non-muslim world, will open the doors to our destruction.


Outrage from hollywood . . .
will never happen. In my humble opinion, I regard those hollywood types as "boxcar jews". These hollywood types would have been the "capos" in the camps, currying special favors from their captors at the expense of the rest of the camp population. Just look at their attitudes concerning self-defense and responsibility for defending ones self. It is apparent that they learned NOTHING from history where a few brave individuals with captured weapons were able to hold off a numerically superior force (Nazis) for months (the Warsaw ghetto uprising. Let's add some of the other Jewish organizations who call for "gun control". It would seem that these hollywood types and their supporters have a "death wish". Oops, I forgot, they can afford "protection" provided by others. Those who live in Israel know that self protection is necessary on a daily basis.

Nomo
"Subject: Marc,
Sooo, we should all be packing 45s."

45's are just too bulky for everyday purposes. I prefer my Keltec .380. Not exactly the stopping power I'd like, but it's a great piece of mind and gonna make the bad guy think twice.

What do YOU use for your self defense...pull out a copy of one of your inane posts and make the guy read it?

Did the oatmeal run down your chin?

kt Location: TX


Reply # 55
Date: Jan 2, 2009 - 12:53 PM EST
Subject: Everyone
Please don't respond to the mentally ill morons who are probably sitting in some sort of assisted living facility right now banging out their stupidity because that is all they are programmed to do.

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So when are they coming to change your diaper?

Have to go to work
Just wanted to remind those who are on the side of the islamic terrorists and the ACLU and all the liberal judges who wish this SCUM "godspeed" back to their families where they were only hatched by a woman who was forced to hatch them by a pig of a "man" supporting the cause to kill all Christians...

Think of the families whose loved ones and all of our precious children who were flown through buildings and flown straight into the ground on 9/11.

Now, how do you feel?

Good day to all my fellow Americans.

The "Squeegee Men" and "Scrubber Men"

Not only is the left "renaming" and "defining deviancy down" to their PC liking, we have become desensitized.

For example, the best estimate for the number of innocent American residents murdered by illegal aliens is an average of 12 per day... which comes out to 52,260 a year.

Did I mention that's INNOCENT AMERICAN LEGAL RESIDENTS KILLED BY ILLEGAL ALIENS... people who shouldn't be here in the first place???

Not only does that not seem to be a big deal to the lunatic left, if that information was widely reported, it wouldn't help their (and Marxist Obama's) goal to open the borders.

And, on top of that, now that Marxist Obama's henchmen have gotten the hang of SCRUBBING web sites of information that might be either harmful to their cause, much of that information has either been SCRUBBED, and is no longer accessible, or buried in such a way that one must sift through countless sites before one finds it.




Corndog
do you have a lot of guns to make you feel safer?

...hope you have a permit if you are carrying a concealed weapon -- or do laws not apply to you?

The face of terror
in the eyes of the Islamic agitator who led the prayers on the street corner in Fort Lauderdale on December 30, 2008: Once you see the beauty of Islam you will have to embrace it and become a convert. Presumably so that the new believer can also become a terrorist replete with the blessing of Islam. We are also witness to the redefinition of crazy.

Corndog: YOU get my vote for the

funniest, but SPOT ON poster on TH....

"... pull out a copy of one of your inane posts and make the guy read it?"

I chuckled all day at your Obama quotes on Burt's column last Monday.

However, as funny as your last post was above, no doubt that's pretty much all nomo has in his arsenal.

I can hear it now.... "READ THIS!!!" which will unfortunately be followed by a gurgling sound as his head is being separated from his body.

Last thought in his head, "Oh crap! They were right!"



Hey Nomo
I have a permit.
I have lots of guns.
I know how to use them.
I feel very safe.
I'd feel even safer if you libtards would let us actually kill terrorists and prosecute criminals. Until that happens (not holding my breath), I'm going to do my part to keep the ammo makers in business.

Corndog:Oh yeah? Well nomo has something

to READ! So there! :-)

The other problem nomo has, that I'm SURE he's totally unaware of is, we who are educated and fluent in English... like it's our FIRST LANGUAGE, can't understand anything he says.

Can you imagine some idiot terrorist, or illegal alien trying to make sense out of nomo's yammering?

A terrorist would shoot nomo, not for being in infidel, but just for being stupid!

Thanks Anne,
I appreciate your sentiments.
I've found that moonbats have no sense of humor so they are easily disarmed with comedy.

And I love reading your posts as well. Always poignant, pithy, and well articulated. Glad you're on our side.

corndog
Well awright then pilgrim – praise the lawd and pass the ammunition.

No terrorist will mess with you fo suh

Anne, practice your math? Your fabrications may have a chance of fooling some of the TH wingnuts then.

had to stop by
before I walked out the door.

Corndog, you are too much! What a great post about torture!

Oh! and libtards quick!!! There is a column about 9 poor muslim passengers kicked off of a flight because of comments made about airline safety!!!!! Quick!! Don't waste your intellect here!!1 WAAAAAAHHHHHH WAAAAAAAAHHHHH!

Don't you hear them crying about their plight! Imagine the poor muslims being picked on!

So hurry over with your super smart, in the know observations about life, liberty and pursuit of idiocy. Hurry!!

and
I am really glad Anne is on your side as well Corndog

Corndog: Of course, you know that a

sense of humor is indicative of good mental and emotional well being.

Of course, the converse is also true. Those who are not mentally and emotionally healthy, lack a sense of humor.

And then there are those who are SO mentally and emotionally unhealthy (sick) the only "joy" (for lack of a better word) they have is being mean spirited and nasty... such as the liberal trolls who come to TH for NO OTHER PURPOSE than to spit and spew insults, and post inane and stupid comments.... often having nothing to do with the column or point at hand.

Geeze, if I started a list of those sickos, I'd soon go beyond the 2000 word limit per post.



Nomo
"Well awright then pilgrim – praise the lawd and pass the ammunition. No terrorist will mess with you fo suh"

Do I detect a hint of sarcasm? That was actually funny. You must have gotten that from hanging out on Town Hall all day.

Corndog
TH provides lots of humor - why do you think I visit

Nomo says
"why do you think I visit"

Obviously it's not to display superior acumen or knowledge of facts.

Oh yeah, scoreboard bay-bee!!!

ColinCody
In your scenario, Alaska would become a sovereign nation and our dealings on the international stage would be none of Texas' business. It almost sounds as if you think Texas or some other state ought to maintain control of Alaska to "protect us from the Russians". Alaska is no more or less a state than Texas and if we're all seceding from one another, Alaska should be treated equally. Hey, we'd get control of our land and resources back, so in a decade or two, the other 49 sovereign nations of the former US will be coming to us for loans and trade agreements.

Of course, this is assuming that without a federal government to spread the protection nation wide that the 50 sovereign nations don't just get picked off one by one by some other stronger nation -- like, I don't know, Canada and Mexico, since if we're all seperate nations, we're each much weaker than we are as a single nation.

Great fantasy, but not likely to happen. Alaska would like to re-write our statehood compact however, and have our land and resources turned over to our control, so we can be like every other state in the union except Hawaii.

Obama is a liberal, so ...
He's as unlikely as Carter and Clinton to effectively deal with terrorism because somewhere in the back of all of their minds is the thought that the US must somehow be responsible for any acts of terrorism against us and we wouldn't want to make the rest of the world angry with us by actually retaliating against terrorists who are being harbored by foreign nations.

Less than a month after 9/11, a liberal coworker was deriding our "aggressive" attack on Afghanistan, violating the sovereignty of a nation to deal with something "they can't do anything about." She insisted "America should never be viewed as an aggressor; there are legal ways of handling this."

Oh, really!?? I asked - What would be the effective ways of handling terrorism besides invading the countries they hide in and killing the terrorists. Well, UN courts and everything we've used for the last 20 years. I asked her to name 10 terrorists we'd ever tried in the international courts and she couldn't, not even after an Internet search. It doesn't work, but we'll keep using it because American should "never be viewed as an aggressor." Sigh!!!

There will be another attack!
If Obama is true to the liberal ideology of dealing with terrorism as a police action, we will see another attack on American soil before the end of his first term. What such an attack will do to our economy and the freedoms we hold dear is anyone's guess. I'm going to suggest that Obama will react by declaring marshall law because he can't bring himself to go after the terrorists on the soil of another nation. I base this on previous Dem presidents actions during national crises -- much more likely to take away American freedoms than to actually deal with foreign threats.

That's the bad news. The good news is that he'll lose the 2012 election if the Republicans can mount a decent candidate. And, maybe this time, the people will remember that liberals have left our panties open to the wind too many times, blaming the victim rather than the perpetrators for the crime, and it's time to just say "no" to them for the foreseeable future.

Natural Law
One of the "natural laws" is the right of self defense. Simply stated, each individual has a right to defend himself against unwarranted attacks. For those in Rio Linda, that DOESN'T mean criminals can defend themselves from police arrest.

When individuals form a sovereign country, the country as a whole has the right to defend itself against unwarranted attack.

Those leftists who claim 911 was warranted are either lying or stupid (or both).

To Mr Goldberg & myk OR
Fine Article..I agree with all EXCEPT "there is a bitter taste, etc" I DO NOT have such a bitter taste..On the contrary, I've stated many times that if Mr "Jimmy Who" had done his duty to protect his Country by making the world's biggest parking lot out of Teheran and the 50 miles on every side the day after they refused to free the Hostages, I b elieve we'd live in a different world today!! "Pacifists" don't even wanta live in MY World..HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

B.Hussein Makes Terrorists Happy
Why do you think terrorists were dancing in the streets when it was announced that B.Hussein had taken the election? They have a 'man in the house',now.

Why do you think they also sent millions to this country to be laundered for 'the messiah'?They know he will not be against them if the winds blow the wrong way.

This New World Order has been in the works for years. We have a 'Shadow Government' working behind the scenes to bring it about. The elected office holders are just following their marching orders. The bailouts are one step in the plan.

we have not toppled the Taliban
Mr. Goldberg makes the common Republican error of stating that we had achieved victory in Afghanistan prior to attacking Iraq. Clearly, we did not. We probably have no choice but to make a deal with the Taliban -- thanks to Cheney, Rummy and Bush II.

Remember, Bush said Bin Laden did not matter in early 2002. Did not matter? The Republicans have ceded our national defense to the traditionally inept (from 1970 to 1990) Democrats.

The fact that 7 years later we have not difinitively defeated Al Qaeda, the Taliban and Radical Muslims shows that we have already lost in many ways. Hitler was dead 3 1/2 years after Germany declared war against the U.S. Germany invested jet fighters and rocket warfare.

By the way, it is also pathetic that 7 years later we have not rebuilt at the WTC site.

My 2 favorites thus far
Only liberals are soft on terrorists and terrorism. But when they loose a friend or relative to terrorist activity, they will awaken to the danger immediately. It takes personal pain to get their attention because the pain of others outside of their immediate family means little or nothing to them. They are the center of their universe and we only circle around them as those whose natural god given task it is to somehow worship them on a constant basis. --ColinCody--

What do YOU use for your self defense...pull out a copy of one of your inane posts and make the guy read it? --CornDog--

crime
i'm wondering how a country that has more people incarcerated than any other country in the world can be labeled "soft on crime".oh wait-the einstein's here on th said it so it must be true.

Roy
I guess that you are taking a shot at the USA with this gem:

Subject: crime
i'm wondering how a country that has more people incarcerated than any other country in the world can be labeled "soft on crime".oh wait-the einstein's here on th said it so it must be true. -----Roy----(IL)

You must know hundreds of vermin are running the streets of Chicago claiming "turf" that they "own" that us mortals don't belong on.
These rats should be dead or in prison.

The fact that we use our assets (sometimes) to incarcerate and "rehabilitate" these thugs instead of killing them, as they will do to someone you love someday, does not make us "tough" on crime. We ARE soft. Other countries deal severely with their dirtbags. We try to discover root causes and other drivel to make judges, teachers, professors and guys like Nomo, Wobbie, Hal, Ken92 and Pancho and Left Angle "feel" good. What a whimp you are. That post made me hurl. Is that because I am one of the Einsteins here?

keep
after reading your post you have a ways to go.so the basis of your whole argument is that chicago has street gangs,ergo the usa is soft on crime?you might be able to convince some folks of that but no one who can actually think for themselves.keep trying though-somebody will buy that i'm sure lol.

Simple math, Roy boy
My apology. I made the mistake of thinking that a soft lefty could extrapolate some statistical realities over a broad spectrum of municipalities that are teeming with filthy rabble that should be dead or in prison.

Being that you are from the state of Illinois with that cesspool of a city riddled with crime and political corruption, it was merely used as an example. I thought that you could add or maybe even multiply even given the expensive public education system the union hacks have promoted. Maybe not. No sense using data when talking points spewed from leftist enclaves are so much easier.

50 states x 2 or 3 major crime ridden cities with many gang and wannabe gang members that should be behind bars gives us thousands of criminals walking the streets because some soft on crime judge likes "root causes" arguments and uses early release, minimum sentences and the like.

That is weak and you know it. When you are the victim, you will see the light. Or not. I personally don't care, but if you think that we are tough on crime, you must obviously have data to suggest that we are prosecuting many innocents, right?


signed, Einstein

Enjoyed your article, BUT...
Dear Sir,


I enjoy opinion, perhaps since I have so very many of my own.

About 911, have you viewed "Scientific & Ethical Questions by Steven Jones and "A New Standard of Deception by Kevin Ryan.

Both are together on one DVD by these two "Scientists".

Available on Ebay, a "Priceless Documentary" at a unbelieavable price. Every American with the ability to reason on their own should see this.

I would welcome you comments AFTER you viewed this work.

ColinCody
Amen brother, post #8. Sign me up, I am ready.

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back to the subject
Terrorists are our national enemy. There is only one proper response; defeat them. Harry Truman had it right; mess with the USA and you not only face defeat, you face extinction. A big radioactive crater is a proper response to these terrorists. We are right they are wrong, therefore we must use our technological superiority to defeat them even if it means totally destroying them and exterminating them.

In Agreement
January 3, 2009
Jonah: I echo your thoughts about our new President being in some regards less demanding when it comes to our country's oppressive commitment to restraining terrorism, especially here. However, all of us knew about his theory of ad hoc diplomacy as he always favored setting up discussions with the rogues and hellbent enemies of the United States. George Bush and Dick Cheney should be credited in addition to their clandestine enablers for keeping America safe all these years. Bush may also have a legacy, just possibly, that in perhaps in many years will make a lot of MSM journalists and 53% of the mesmerized voters eat a big crow on a gargantuan plate. I have to say, that managing terrorism as you mentioned is becoming more and more a conundrum. Our protectors cannot be everywhere and our country has an abundance of open spaces, borders and bad guys setting up shop here. You just have to be the pit bulls against them that Bush and Cheney were to even mitigate this virus. I am so happy to see a physically fit President who is very popular but I suggest if he is not going to be a junk yard dog against the very invaders that have changed our lifestyle such that we feel it every day, then he should diligently adhere to what his advisors from all levels instruct him on concerning this awful subject.
Jay R

AND
The U.S.S. Pueblo is still held by North Korea AND is still in commission as an AMERICAN NAVAL WARSHIP!......... and forgotten.
I fear the Obama presidency is just a re-run of slick willie clintons'.....sad for America.

At Least Israel Is Bombing Hamas!
Jonah is right, but I take hope in the recent bombing of Hamas terrorist pigs by Israel. I'm reminded of McCain's reworking of "Barbara Ann" by the Beach Boys (this time for Hamas):

Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Hamas!
Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Hamas!
Bomb Hamaaaas, that is a muuuust,
Bomb Hamaaas, you got me rocketing and reeling
bombin in the streeets, bomb Hamas.

keep
heres the deal slick-all i did was point out that its a ridiculous argument to say that the us is soft on crime when we have more people in prison than any other country on earth.soft compared to who?i didn't know that this was a "lefty" argument.i gave you the simple fact that our incarceration rate was the highest in the world.you give weak anecdotal "evidence" about marauding street gangs.so who's argument is weaker there einstein?

Jonah Goldberg
writes, "Yasir Arafat's PLO had to play along, pretending they would never be involved in such a heinous act."

Well, I guess we can leave that one to Mariska Hartigay. I want to know who is going to "do" Tila Tequila this time.

Roy
No here is the deal slick, If your point is that we have a lot of non-violents behind bars, I will cede that point. But you never even made that point. If your claim is that we are prosecuting innocents, you are dead wrong. I would be glad to free all non violents for a trade if we could just start eliminating the animals that leftist judges set free to make themselves and you lefties feel better only to see them commit even more crimes of an ever increasing very violent nature.

My idea would be to do drive by shootings using covert military and police operations on ALL gangs in every city every Friday and Saturday for 2 months. Gangs are readily identifiable even if you would scream otherwise. This would serve many purposes not the least of which would be to eliminate the ones that PROVE that we are soft on crime by their simple presence on the streets-or as they put it "on our turf" with their mile long rap sheets. We would see gangs dry up or go WAAAAY underground fairly quickly, I'll bet. It would drive the left absolutely batty though so it could never happen.

We will all just continue to bury our heads in the sand and allow thugs to control our cities at night in order to appease losers like you and your ilk. The fact that "The One" said not a peep about gang violence during the campaign tells us all we need to know about his views on crime. They mirror yours, softy!

You are all cowards for not dealing with this problem. And it is only the most telling example of how soft we really are on crime. Your point, if any one can figure it out, is still very weak. What exactly is your point, in a nutshell anyway?

My retort may not have been clear enough. Other countries eliminate their animals instead of jailing them. We make excuse after excuse for their abhorrent behavior. Many are in prison, I would agree. Many more should be taking a dirt nap.

keep
my point was pretty obvious i thought.i claim that the us is not soft on crime.you claim the the us is soft on crime.i point to statistics that the us has more people behind bars than any country in the world to prove my point.you point to.....what to back up your claim?oh and by the way you are just going to ignore posse comitatus to allow the military to impose martial law and mow down civilians?let me guess-first street gangs and then liberals right?

Fact is "we" are the evil to those...
The way I see it is that 1985 being 23 long years ago represents an eon in political correctness and who is the villian. In 1985 the US and Israel were considered freedom representives to all other nations and not to be messed with and when messed with the response would be swift and harsh. We both defended ourselves and the world knew it and shuddered at our responses. Fast forward to now and we have a totally different motif- US and Israel are now the politcal oppressors and the terrorists are "freedom fighters" to the totally deranged far left, and misguided and exploited victims (who need to be stopped-but understood) to the other faction on the left. But the big change is the view that somehow the US and Israel are the oppressive regimes. The terrorists may be losing the battles but they are winning the minds and hearts of people who are blind to reality and see these evil people as redeemable and victims. Its a sick mentality which will lead to our eventual downfall if we don't look at them the same way we did in 1985. Case in point Che Guevarra- read about the real Che and then see the historically illiterate youth wear his tee-shirts. Its a perceptual war we are presently losing.

and another thing
i got a proposal for you.since we have all these wars on nouns nowadays how about we kill 2 birds with one stone.we have been in afghanistan for 7 years or so now.90% of the heroin in the world comes from there.how about wiping out the poppy fields and teaching the afghan farmers to grow something else even if we have to subsidize them for a few years.i mean we are already paying the "sunni awakening" in iraq not to shoot at us.why not pay the afghan farmers to plant something else?

Colin, If We Forget, et alia
"...whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government..."

Where are we forming up? I, for one, do not intend to sit here fulminating about how I'd like to get out for four years. I want out, and I want out now. The present "leadership" in Austin isn't going to do anything, so it must be replaced. And to do that we'll need organization.

If you all know of any good websites, I would appreciate your sharing that information. And should I find one, I'll do likewise.

God bless Texas, the once and future Republic!


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Corndog: why they come
Why is "nomo" here? For the same reason that any of the other Leftist trolls come here: to defecate on our coffee table.

Their presence adds nothing to the conservative cause, which is TH's reason for being. They are here only to disrupt.

Spies and saboteurs, nothing more. And if they could do worse than they do, they'd do it.


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David in MA
I share your pessimism as to what is about to be done to this federal republic, but we should be so lucky that it be a mere re-run of the Clinton years. That was the famous "holiday from history", during which even the largest tax increase in the history of all mankind could not derail the Reagan economic boom, while the great distance of the sound of gunfire allowed us the illusion that we were not already at war with an implacable enemy.

Americans have reacted to these most dangerous times by electing to the presidency the most dangerous, unreliable, and underqualified man in our history. Why? So that majorities in 28 states could feel good about themselves. To borrow from the late Peter Jennings, they threw a tantrum. They believed that what he said last year superseded anything he had previously said or published about his true affiliations and intentions.

The only thing I wonder about those who voted for the Kenyan is whether, after experiencing Jimmy Carter redux, they will learn never to repeat the error. I expect, though, that, like screaming two-year-olds, they will remain defiant as long as they can just to show the rest of us that they meant it.

My fellow Texans and I, by a million-vote margin, have clearly stated that we want no part of this. Sentiment for secession is widespread. It needs only a catalyst and an avenue of expression.


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Once more slowly
Roy, the fact that we have a lot of people behind bars is proof that we have a lot of criminals. Nothing more. We have many more walking free that should be taking dirt naps. If you are in a gang, you should fear for your life.

As for eliminating liberals, not through violence, I wouldn't. Only violent people deserve return volly. Most of you are merely misguided and non-violent. We need to keep you around for laughs. Thanks for putting words in my mouth though. You guys are extremely adept at drawing conclusions not in evidence.

Just for you, I will repeat something that was stated at a party recently by a beautiful woman that was also fairly liberal: "Nothing is as unattractive as a liberal white man. They are such fairies, we women can uphold the left wing causes without their wimpy help"" -

keep
lol whatever-i notice you like to throw terms around like fairy and wimp etc.i have found that in most situations its not wise to do that.back on the factory floor a few years ago we had some dude that just got in the union that had nothing but contempt for the "liberal" viewpoint and thought he was a tough guy.he used to throw those terms around too.one of the liberal members had enough one day and took him out back for an attitude adjustment.nothing too violent-just a few missing teeth.good thing he had that good union dental insurance lol.he had a lot more respect for the fairies after that.

Squegee Men
Enjoyed your article. You are right on. Sadly and unfortunately we do not learn from history. I wonder how many more chances we will get???? I went through the first "Great Depression" and never thought I would live to see another. Only conservatives will admit that the recovery was brought about by WW II not by the Socialist programs initiated by a Fascist leader.

roy
Thank you for describing the union thug mentality...if someone actually prefers working for a living instead of loafing around and demanding that the bosses extort more from "the man," then it is proper to administer a dose of Ole Benny's Castor Oil, along with a Mafia-style beatdown. I would predict that your factory would be closed down and your job shipped to China, so you and your pals can pay for your lifestyle through your usual vocation of running to the welfare office and holding your hand out.

Roy, still putting words in my mouth?
While I DID call you soft and a softy, I did not say anything about fairies and wimps. A girl named Denise did at a party recently and I quoted her for you. Did I strike a nerve? I will tell her next time I see her that some union thug may want to remove some of her teeth if she calls you libs fairies one more time. I am sure she will find it useful information. I was shocked to hear from your last post that you are :

a) in a union

b) there are fellow libs in your union

Collective bargaining, collective reasoning, collective groupthink. What a way of life! Enjoy your echo chamber. BTW, I agree with you on the heroin idea. I love a good 2 for 1!

david
there was nothing "thug" about it.one on one.he was the one shooting his mouth off calling people out.thats the teamster way.nobody went crying to management or the union or the police.he took his medicine and turned out to be a pretty good worker and union man.he's still there by the way.i don't know how you would have handled it.oh the factory is still humming along nicely.no strike in 30 years.we had a saying-if the company doesn't make money we don't make money.i think that is the right attitude don't you?oh and keep-i'm glad we finally agreed on something lol.it will never happen but its a good idea.

Harry Reid, Hypocrite
Harry Reid exhibiting his TRUE feelings about minorities,not what he says,but what he does. January 2, 2009

BY NATASHA KORECKI, CHRIS FUSCO AND LYNN SWEET
Days before Gov. Blagojevich was charged with trying to sell President-elect Barack Obama's U.S. Senate seat to the highest bidder, top Senate Democrat Harry Reid made it clear who he didn’t want in the post: Jesse Jackson, Jr., Danny Davis or Emil Jones.

Rather, Reid called Blagojevich to argue he appoint either state Veterans Affairs chief Tammy Duckworth or Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan, sources told the Chicago Sun-Times.

colincody....hold on a minute.
While I agree that the good ole USA is in a sorry state, largely due to inept and corrupt, self-agrandizing, politicians on both sides of the isle, I disagree with your push for individual states suceeding from the union.

While I am a proponent of States rights as the founders so succinctly advocated in the Articles of confederation, I also realized that "divided we will fall".

We live in the most dangerous times in history with many radical Islamic sects calling for our destruction. Some have, or are on the verge of having nuclear WMDs. The U.N. is a corrupt group of despots and dictators with radical Islamic states having key votes, as well as Russia.

Splitting the country up at this point will virtually open us up for state to state conflicts, leaving us vulnerable to attack and defeat at the hands of any number of those enemies.

As angry as I get at those clueless polticians whom seem to cater first to the inerests of the special interests, globalism and "Free trade", I understand that only in unity can we defeat the enemy at the gates.

Unfortunately, the clueless left-wingers at times, seem to be playing into the hands of the enemy. I also believe that there is a fifth-column within, working overtime to subvert the American way of life and values that have kept us strong and prosperous.

Foreign money is entrenched within our system wielding influence. Millions of Illegals(about to be given amnesty)are undermining our standard of living and taking jobs, while using billions of dollars in public services.
Neither party seems to care.

We need a grass roots effort on the part of the silent majority to take back this nation.
We need to take back academia, fertile ground for left wing, America hating indoctrination.
WE need to end political correctness and speak truth regardless of whom it offends.




Islam: What The West Needs To Know...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-871902797772997781
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