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Wednesday, December 31, 2008
Jonah Goldberg :: Townhall.com Columnist
Samuel Huntington's True Vision
by Jonah Goldberg
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This time of year, newspapers and magazines swell with retrospectives on the year that was, predictions for the year to come, and cogitations on meaningless trends and contrived fads.

Against this backdrop, there's an added poignancy to the death of Samuel P. Huntington, who died Christmas Eve at the age of 81. A decent, profound and profoundly consequential man, the Harvard professor was one of the lions of 20th century social science. He spotted trends and made predictions, too. But he did so not with a wet finger to the air but with his nose in the books, his hands on the facts and his eyes fixated on the Big Picture.

His 1993 essay "The Clash of Civilizations" (and subsequent book) argued that the hoopla over a New World Order was deeply misguided. Indeed, he spotted one of the most consequential trends of the post-Cold War world: Most societies were intensifying, often radically, their cultural identities, not shedding them. Disharmony, not some U.N.-led Parliament of Man, lay in our future.

The book was deeply, and often willfully, misunderstood and mischaracterized by those who didn't want it to be true. But after 9/11, it largely set the terms for how we look at the world. In it, he argued that culture, religion and tradition are not background noise, as materialists of the left and the right often argue. Rather, they constitute the drumbeat to which whole civilizations march.

This view ran counter to important constituencies. The idea that man can be reduced to homo economicus has adherents among some free-market economists, most Marxists and others. But it's nonsense on stilts. Most of the globe's intractable conflicts are more clearly viewed through the prisms of culture and history than that of the green eyeshade. Tensions between India and Pakistan or Israel and the Arab world have little to do with GDP.

Even in America, the notion that economics drives our politics cannot stand scrutiny. For instance, gay-marriage advocates might decry the tax code's unfairness to same-sex couples, but if all they wanted was to file joint returns, they'd settle for domestic partnerships. Gays desire respect and acceptance more than tax deductions. Meanwhile, opponents of same-sex marriage don't even bother with economic arguments, nor should they. Abortion, race, drugs, gun control, political correctness, public-school curricula: The list of cultural issues driving our political conflicts is endless.

And yet for Marx and his modern heirs, class interests are all that matter. And for a certain breed of capitalist rationalist, financial self-interest is all that motivates.

Barack Obama articulated a watered-down version of this nonsense when he lamented that western Pennsylvanians cling to religion and guns out of unrecognized economic frustration. If they'd only seen how their financial interests were bound up with his candidacy, they would've discarded such concerns. This isn't to say Obama is a crass materialist; he's not, as his memoirs make clear. Rather, it's to note that the role of culture is not only powerful but often powerfully confusing.

If I had one book recommendation -- another journalistic fad at this time of year -- it would be Huntington's last, "Who Are We? The Challenges to America's National Identity." In it, Huntington argued that American culture needed to be nurtured, not rejected in the name of a "multiculturalism" that too often serves as a stalking horse for anti-Americanism. He recognized that tolerance and pluralism are not modern inventions intended to replace America's traditional culture, but that evolving notions of tolerance and pluralism are a central part of the American tradition (a point Obama echoed somewhat in his famous "A More Perfect Union" speech on race last March). For example, every civilization has known slavery, but only Anglo-American civilization, fueled by religious and philosophical conviction, set out to destroy it, at enormous costs. Huntington offered "an argument for the importance of Anglo-Protestant culture, not for the importance of Anglo-Protestant people."

But Huntington saw in a cadre of "denationalized" elites a contempt for the idea that the fruits of tolerance need roots in the soil of culture and identity. These citizens of the world look skeptically at notions of sovereignty and contemptuously on the authority of tradition.

Obama is at home among -- and revered by -- this crowd. His comment during the campaign that the real problem is that there aren't enough American kids learning Spanish, not that there aren't enough immigrants learning English, was music to cosmopolitan ears. But he also speaks movingly about American cultural solidarity. To date, much of that language has been eloquent but platitudinous, perhaps because specifics highlight Obama's own confusion about the thorny question of national identity. There's still time for him to read up before his inaugural address.

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What was Huntington FOR ?
If he was for a top to bottom revamping of the school system (as in teaching ACTUAL American history, etc.) then he was right. Our true identity has been circling the drain for decades thanks to marxists in public "ed". Replaced by? America as the Indian exterminating, slave owning, crazy Christian, greedy white europeans worthy of being the monster of some grim fairy tale.

Unity to end political conflicts
Great article, Mr. Goldberg! You really get down into the machinery of prevailing thought to describe how it works.

One way materialism works on both sides of the ideological spectrum is to promise widespread material well-being, leading to the further promise that if everyone's got enough material goodies, they'll readily gravitate together politically for the common good. All will unify around a common agenda, and political conflict will come to an end.

Nonsense. As Mr. Goldberg points out, America is home to many more fronts of political conflict than economic issues, and no amount of wealth redistribution will pacify them. This has always been the Democrats' Achilles heel, and conservatives will continue to target it as always.

If Democrats dropped their social engineering / multi-culti / victimhood ethos once and for all, they'd durably dominate American politics with their centrist economic populism. But they won't cut off their left wing, which is doable right now because independent voters are solidly with them. So Obama & Crew will do outrageous things offending the religious and cultural sensibilities of the center-right American majority, thereby squandering their opportunity, and American politics will continue in conflict along the usual fronts. But these conflicts are good for America because all disputed change should proceed according to agreed dispute resolution procedures.

Happy New Year to All
I hope everyone has a happy, healthy, prosperous and peaceful 2009.

Jonah's column
Good colulmn about a great man. Great book.

interesting article.
I agree with Huntington's thesis on the primacy of tradition, religion, and culture.

Also agree on the crucial importance of Anglo-Protestant culture and tradition, much of which greatly influenced our Founding Fathers...but it is also true that a Catholic France and Italy were indispensible to the Enlightenment(even if Voltaire was not necessarily fond of the Church).

If Goldberg is correct in Huntington's thesis that culture, tradition, religion dictate man's behavior, then what does that say about our thinking we can impose our Western notions of democratic governance upon a people deeply steeped in the tradition of tribal culture and the religion of Islam?

I recall the administration sending over to Iraq a financial consultant whose mission was to establish a stock exchange in Iraq...as if stockmarkets and investments would cause people to disavow their sectarianism.

How naive.

I think Huntington believed there was merit to the idea of exposing people to democracy and pluralistic societies, but he had deep reservations over our Iraq mission.

If it is wrong to say Western Pennsylvanians cling to guns and religion out of economic frustration, then conversely why would Iraqis abandon their guns, religion and sects simply because of democratic capitalism(economic wellbeing)?

Culture will always trump economics.

I think Huntington's thesis invalidates that portion of Bush doctrine that asserts the universality of liberty(as WE define liberty).

What develops in Iraq will be a theocratic state where Islamic law rules...and when our notions of liberty come into conflict with that law, Islam will prevail.

But then that is self determination, now isn't it?

Reformed Protestant culture…

Mr. Goldberg, thanks for this article about Mr. Huntington. My only criticism is that Protestant is no longer an adequate term to relay his meaning. It needs to be modified with the word ‘Reformed’ to capture the theology and world view of the founding generations and first immigrants, those that gave us the first amendment. I’m sure he is hated and impugned by many for making these statements. He makes an important distinction here about immigration…

“…an argument for the importance of Anglo-Protestant culture, not for the importance of Anglo-Protestant people."


Would to God that more men would stop denying our heritage and consider that the order and liberty we have enjoyed in America depends it…

‘Contributions from immigrant cultures modified and enriched the Anglo-Protestant culture of the founding settlers. The essentials of that founding culture remained the bedrock of U.S. identity, however, at least until the last decades of the 20th century. Would the United States be the country that it has been and that it largely remains today if it had been settled in the 17th and 18th centuries not by British Protestants but by French, Spanish, or Portuguese Catholics? The answer is clearly no. It would not be the United States; it would be Quebec, Mexico, or Brazil.’ –Samuel Huntington

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=2495&pa ge=0

Who is it today that is attacking the first amendment?

The failure of American Culture ...
is the result of the failure of parents to teach their children about freedom and why it always yields success. When parents fail to teach their children the propagandists will always fill the void with something like politically correct crapola.

It is time for parents to learn about freedom and start teaching their children about freedom.

If you stirred the melting pot
Put everyone in a giant bowl and stir. By some mysterious human chemistry likes would attract followed by similars.
Why is that? But I believe it to be true and would expect Huntington to concur with reservations and explanations.
Nevertheless, the use of money, power and politics to separate the natural order, while doable, injects tensions that obviously have to be vented some time or another.
Something for globalist to think about.

BHO has given us his "Mein Kampf"
Although he didn't articulate "what I'd do about it" like that other petty little community agitator...

Reading about Obama's life a couple of things presented consistently throughout the story:

BO was abandoned by both his mother and his father in order that they could spend their time agitating for marxism.

BO was raised by grandparents who had a sympathy for marxist.

BO was mentored by men (not his father) who were active supporters of marxism.

Do you think BO will turn out to be anything OTHER than a filthy, stinking marxist pig?

We live in interesting times.

Thanks for the book tip
I agree with the deacon about the primacy of freedom: we need to balance freedom with responsibility. Indeed, freedom as such implies personal responsibility. This is not a red or a blue, a conservative or a liberal idea. It is, I hope, the American "Dream."

Who are we? We seem to be a work in progress, with diversity striving heroically to become unity. At least, under our phenomenal new leader.
And part of his greatness is his willingness to listen to constuctive ideas and suggestions. I think we'll find a little bit of Huntington in the First Inaugural. How all this plays out in 09 will no doubt keep us all on the edge of our seats.
An outstanding article by Jonathan, one of his very best.

Said better with less words
"All life is in the spirit; the flesh is of no avail."

Jesus

Ron Jones
Even Joe Biden can recognize a clean, articulate Marxist pig when he sees one.

Valiant for Truth
Thanks for the link.

What is ironic
is Huntington is voicing with scholar what we all innately know and do not want to admit.

jerabaub
writes, "I think Huntington's thesis invalidates that portion of Bush doctrine that asserts the universality of liberty(as WE define liberty)."

So you believe liberty is not a universal human want? How do WE define liberty? How do you? Why do you suppose you can speak for the rest of us? What did the founders of this country believe? I think is was universality of liberty endowed by our creator rather than man. Your elitism and disdain for those allegedly incapable of handling liberty comes shining through in this post.

Assume you are correct. Islam is incompatible with democratic institutions of any kind and the majority of Muslims do not want liberty in any form. The only choice remaining to confront them is force. We simply need to kill them all but, then they are only savages anyway, huh?

Is it naive to think we can somehow shape the future of Muslim countries by this democratic experiment? Or, is it simply a more Christian and morally better way to confront the threat besides simply nuking the whole place and killing millions of people because we cannot and should not expect them to change?

Thoughts
I'd venture to say that Huntington never shopped at a Walmart. Some first-hand observations there may have swayed some of his thinking re the cultural impact which economy of the micro sort can have.

Apparently, Obama's 'watered-down nonsense' regarding PA voters proved accurate in the general election. He carried the state.

As for America's 'Anglo-Protestant' culture, its roots are, correctly-defined, Puritan -- which was in fact a conservative reaction to main-stream English-Protestant culture. It began life intolerant to the core and only broadened when forced to do so by kings & political circumstance. It was the Quakers in England who led the way in the fight against slavery. Puritans in New England hung Quakers until the restored crown put an end to that practice.
Ironically, 'Gays' and others who push for 'tolerance' closely mimic the tactics of Puritan orthodoxy with its hypocrisy & self-righteousness.

When slavery was finally abolished in Protestant America, the former slaves, who had been considered property, were never regarded by fellow countrymen as equals, and laws were passed to segregate them from the larger community. Whereas, when slavery was abolished in Catholic America, the former slaves, who, in that culture were seen as more loved by God because of their previous condition, were accepted into society without legal restriction.

Better to be clear on America's intellectual history than to go off defining us as something we have never been. Huntington is correct that culture trumps economics. But sorting it all out is a subjective undertaking.

Army Kills, Satire Destroys an Ideology
We have to get serious fighting this war against fanatics. Let's abandon PC--political correctness and just try shunning them. We should laugh at them and their suicidal fantasies that 72 virgins await them in Paradise if they kill infidels.

These people are monsters and they should feel the full weight of civilized peoples' rejection and contempt for their tactics and their suicidal campaign. Let the comedians blast them every night. Sample: "Sure, if you blow up a school bus with 60-odd kids in it you're going to change the world. Tell that to the Kamikazi fighters in World War II who set out to defeat America by diving planes into their warships. That sure worked for them, didn't it?"

Let's make a laughingstock out of these Jihad throwbacks to the 13th Century. All Muslims should be sent to a symbolic Coventry. Muslim immigration to every western country should be suspended. If the so-called "good" Muslims won't speak out against their killer brothers and sisters we should treat them all as enemies.

The West has been treating them like obstreperous kids in kindergarten. It's time to treat them as the murderous adults they are and stinging, scathing humor is one way of doing it.

Let the Mohammed jokes begin!


Celebrate American Culture..
.. Don't destroy it.

Lefties HATE American culture.
I've had arguments with liberals over their hatred of Americanism, and their arguments usually follow the same tack.

Most of the time, they try to argue that Americans believe we are Better than everyone else, which totally misses the point of the Melting Pot.

We're not better than everyone else, we ARE everyone else! The difference between America and every other country in the world is the fact that we let people from All over the globe come here to Become Americans.

Multiculturalism is nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt to destroy the very melting pot that made this country Great.

Once everyone in the country becomes a "Hyphenated-American" the great American experiment fails.

5 Stars Jonah, this article is a great example of why you are my favorite TH contributor.

Winning the Clash of Civilizations
Samuel Huntington’s thesis that conflicts in the post-Cold War world will be driven more by culture and ethnicity rather than ideology shows how much he has evolved towards the Right. Samuel Huntington the young man was very much part of the Cold War effort to destroy national liberation and anti-colonial movements in the name of anti-communism. These attempts have been useless and fruitless. Attempts to impose democracy and regime change through military interventions are all doomed to fail. The way to win the so called “clash of civilizations” is to demonstrate the cultural superiority of Western culture, in particular American culture which Huntington equates with Anglo-Protestant culture. American capitalism, political democracy, and the Puritan ethics are elements of Anglo-Protestant culture. What destroyed slavery, contrary to Jonah Goldberg, was the superiority of American Capitalism over African slavery as an economic system. Goldberg is also wrong about the learning of English. In most countries of the world a high percentage of the people speak English as a second language. What foreigners most hate about American culture is the high crime rate, extremes of wealth and poverty, drug use, race and class conflicts. Who wants to import these dysfunctions? What they most admire are the achievements of Western science, technology, and engineering. These are the elements that will make them the equals of the West. Goldberg is also wrong about the importance of “denationalized” ruling elites whose first loyalty is to humanity and equality, not to national states and beliefs about cultural, racial, and ethnic superiority. American history, in particular, is full of examples of intolerance and lack of pluralism. Chaka Z.

Jerseyvet Re: Muhammad Jokes
""Let the Mohammed jokes begin! ""

OK, I have one. :o)

Osama Bin Laden dies and goes to heaven. There to meet him is Muhammad.
He sits Osama in a chair and tells him to wait there for his reward.

Up steps Patrick Henry, who punches him in the face, Henry is followed by George Washington, who also punches him in the face, Washington is followed by Thomas Jefferson.

Osama looks and sees a long line of America's founding fathers, all waiting for their chance at punching him in the face.

He turns to Muhammad and exclaims, "Wait! You said if I killed the Infidels, I would be met by 72 virgins!".

Muhammad says, "Obviously you weren't paying attention, I said you would be met by 72 Virginians!"


Happy new Year gang!

Chaka Zulu
Cultural alteration by military interventions are not doomed to fail. It succeeded in Japan. And in Carthage too, for that matter. However, it can't be done by the squeamish.

America, in particular, has a record of settlement, treatment of immigrants and minorities second to none. Not to say that grevious wounds and atrocities weren't committed. But at equivalent points in becoming a (more or less) unified country, no country i know of has a more forgiving history. Perhaps you can name one.


no, zulu, Huntington is right.
A brilliant man and I wished I had been introduced to his wisdom earlier. In my defense I was busy earning a living. Everything Huntington said was spot on and irrefutable.
I would add one thing that may differ, maybe not, as I'm not as educated about his writings as I should be.
Culture drives conflict. But, ecomony, is the "arm of decision" when it comes to pushing cultures to finally slug it out. Culture/religion is just the excuse to get everybody to go along.
His key point, that anglo-christain ethics are superior, is not really arguable. WE are better and we have devised a better system. One that makes life better for everybody, even our enemies. Their, our enemies, ascertion that their's is better is strictly based on culture and not by any demonstated elevated sense of goodwiill, better economy, better racial realations, more advancement for the underclass, tolerance for those you don't agree with, desire to assimulate, treatment of women, commitment to higher education, investment in technology, or a desire to actually see you own children come home from schooll as healthly as you sent them. Mean to say, but ABSOLUTEY true. Did I hurt your feelings,...Good!

POT OF STEW
I prefer comparing our Nation to a 'Pot of Stew' rather than a 'Melting Pot'.
A recipe for stew can include any number of different ingredients with unique flavors, colors, textures and shapes creating a culinary masterpiece.
But, in order to make stew a Pot is needed.
The creation of our Country, of America, was built on the Foundation of our Constitution, 'THE POT', which is and must always be, solid, unbreakable and irreplaceable.

Pistol
Good points. I will keep them in mind. Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year. Got a New Year's Party to run to. Cheers. Chaka Z.

Kids today are taught US has no culture
My HS-aged daughter has stated that in the past. When I've tried to point out some of our cultural traditions, she has listened, but she says her teachers are quick to point out the immigrant influence in almost every US cultural tradition. They see this as not indicative of a US culture, but as indications of borrowing from other cultures.

It's frustrating because I remember being taught these things as US cultural traditions. Things like the 4th of July, Memorial and Labor Day, and our cultural celebration of Christmas. There used to be many more, but they've sort of fallen by the wayside as Americans have been told we don't have a culture. Why celebrate what doesn't exist?

Hitchhiker
First, it is presumptuous of us to think we must "shape the future of the Muslim world".

Who anointed us with this mission?

That is up to Muslims.

We can serve as an inspiration. Democratic governance has worked well in the U.S., but Muslims may or may not embrace it.

Whatever emerges in the Muslim world will be heavily influenced by Islam..Sharia law.

Second, you are painting yourself into a corner by limiting the options to bleeding our nation dry in military interventions at grotesque socio-political experiments on democracy-building in tribal communities, or waging warfare on the entire muslim world.

One is as asinine as the other.

My point on Huntington's take on Iraq remains valid.

John Quincy Adams said it best:

"America goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the wellwisher of freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own".

Our Founders NEVER envisioned or advocated that American military forces go about the globe and impose conditions upon others that would lead to the types of governments deemed acceptable to our Founders.

The very notion that they would is bizarre.

It would be anathema to them.

Pretty close
Huntington was correct that culture is the fundamental which determines peaceful relations versus war. But he was wrong about what aspects of culture determine it.

The fundamental alignment of peaceful nations is Individualism. Cultures that, taken as a whole, are primarily Individualistic, will have peaceful relations with each other.

But racial, ethnic, and religious blocs DO form among peoples who primarily believe Collectivist principles, and they will be generally antagonistic to outsiders.

The U.S., Anglo countries, Japan, and Western Europe are indubitably Individualistic. A country that becomes Individualistic can therefore be predicted and counted on to be friendly and trading partners. Religious identity is irrelevant to the alignment of these countries.

Countries that are in transition or halfway Individualistic, like China, have a mixed status. If Chinese culture becomes one with a primarily nationalistic or Sino-ethnic philosophy, then peaceful relations with the U.S. will be impossible.
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