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Wednesday, December 17, 2008
Jonah Goldberg :: Townhall.com Columnist
It's No Time to Panic
by Jonah Goldberg
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We are in what might be called the Great Freakout of 2008.

The Federal Reserve is a hair's breadth from pushing interest rates to zero percent. After that, all that's left is offering a free set of steak knives with every bag of cash. We're moving quickly toward nationalizing the domestic auto industry, fast on the heels of partially nationalizing banking. The outgoing Bush administration is having a clearance sale on its few remaining items of fiscal restraint, while the incoming Obama crew is promising infrastructure "investments" the likes of which we haven't seen since the 1950s.

Meanwhile, journalistic Brahmins, who last year would have spontaneously combusted at any hint of government meddling in the Fourth Estate, now openly debate whether we should revive the Federal Writers' Project to give jobs to scribes thrown out in the cold by newspaper downsizing.

The freakout is understandable. Economic trust is breaking down. Investors are buying Treasury bills that pay no interest because they're scared to leave their money even in insured banks. Consumer spending has dropped off a cliff. Some analysts forecast that the GDP will fall at an annualized rate of 8 percent for the fourth quarter. Soon you'll be able to pay for a Cadillac with chickens.

But here's a point nearly everyone understands from personal experience: It is not a good idea to make big, life-altering decisions when you're freaking out.

Everyone's had moments when everything appears to be falling apart. (If you haven't, here's a heads-up: You're long overdue.) And these are precisely the moments when we should take a walk around the block. After all, we adopt healthy habits and strong principles because we trust that they will minimize chaos and misery in our lives. The inevitable crises don't call for trading that course for eternal panic.

The same holds true with public policy. George W. Bush's harshest critics certainly understood this point when it came to 9/11. Their narrative holds that the Bush administration and its enablers, driven mad by 9/11, made wholesale changes to our constitutional order in the name of an elusive "security" that were unwarranted, counterproductive and immoral. I think that story is itself a kind of freakout -- for instance, I don't think the Patriot Act was overkill -- but anyone who has dealt with the absurdities of air travel in recent years knows the drawbacks of policy by freakout.

But now that we have the equivalent of an economic 9/11, much of the same crowd sees its chance to lock in ideas that would be unthinkable during saner times, this time in the name of "economic security." As Rahm Emanuel, President-elect Barack Obama's incoming chief of staff, said last month, "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste; it's an opportunity to do important things that you would otherwise avoid."

So much for "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself."

Contrary as it might seem these days, economic knowledge is cumulative. We know things today that we didn't know 50 or 100 years ago. As Christopher DeMuth, outgoing president of the American Enterprise Institute, noted in a recent speech, we know that tightening the money supply at a moment like this is among the worst things you can do. The United States tightened money at the dawn of the Great Depression, and that's one of the reasons it was "Great." Today, based on that knowledge, we're doing the opposite. And that know-how is more valuable than the all the cash in the Treasury.

And the more we know, the richer we get. If you plotted a trend line of Western prosperity since the dawn of capitalism, you'd see a line moving reliably upward over centuries. Zoom in close on any given period and the more jagged the line appears, zigging up and zagging down like a stock that's volatile on a given day, but trending steadily upward over the year.

Look at that line from, say, 1929 to 1939, and sure, there was a lot more zagging down than zigging up. But in part that's because policymakers thought the crisis was proof that capitalism itself had been discredited.

Today you can hear similar talk from a chorus of progressives, convinced that laissez-faire is dead and we must now rethink everything, reinvent our economic order or return to what New York Times columnist Paul Krugman calls "New Deal economics."

By all means let the nation do what it must to keep the downward dip as short and shallow as possible. But let's not, in a quest for security, abandon good habits and forget the hard-learned lessons that have given us so much.

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Zero Comments?
Jonah - you're a brilliant writer. But this column is too soft. The reason you have no comments so far is that you haven't taken a side or drawn a line between good ideas and bad ones regarding the economic down turn. Yes, we agree that we all hope the the mistakes of History aren't repeated. Depression, Bad. No Depression, Good! :)

Discredit Capitalism?
Capitalism is the economic order that arises from the buying, selling, cheating and giving people do according to their own wants and means. Therefore, to discredit capitalism is to discredit the choices people make along with the people who make them. Notice how it's always the pointy-headed ivory tower set and their mainstream media parakeets who say capitalism is discredited, and then ask yourself, Would the people be so keen listen to this scurvy lot if they understood that they were being belittled, patronized and insulted?

Moreover, to propose replacing capitalism with some other economic order is to propose that a few people can make better economic decisions than all the people can. This proposition has always been proved false, so ask yourself, Would people convey their freedom to make their own economic choices to an elite few if they knew this kind of thing always leads to disaster?

We know the answers to these questions. Now we need to provide the people with the information they need to ask these questions.

Capitalism
When we are attacked again, we can just order our military needs from Japan, of course it may take a few years, but we shut down our American industrial base. 99% of you have no idea how Detroit tooled up instantly 24hr shifts to build what we needed to beat Germany and Japan all at the same time. Go ahead and put down the big 3, then hang your head in shame. When foreign car manufactures make every single part of that Assembled in American car, then we will have equal competition. All of you who buy those Toyota's, Honda's, and what ever else can move to Japan after the invasion of the United Nations troops to end our sovereignty.
Think you are so smart, check out REX 84, Check out New World Order, that Vice President Elect Biden says he loves. Then hang yourself, which you already do when you buy anything not made by Americans. Where are Zenith, RCA, GE, Philco, Magnavox, where are those jobs, Globalized to spread jobs around the world. Remember that when you are standing in the Welfare line next year.

Yeah,President Don...
...by all means let us stop global trade.Of course,we want foriegn nations to buy our products,but heaven forbid if we buy theirs!Let us pay $5.00 a gallon for gas(with massive unemployment due to no foriegn trade).Let us tell the world that we want them to buy our products,but we don't want to buy their products because President Don doesn't like it!

Why don't we just apply your theories to the local level,President Don?You know,we don't buy anything that is not made in our state?Better yet,we don't buy anything not made in our county.Maybe our neighborhood?Get all our food from the mom and pop grocery store on the corner?

You're just not thinking big enough,President Don!

Mr. Goldberg
"Everyone's had moments when everything appears to be falling apart"

I would suggest that many are experiencing more than just the "appearance" of things falling apart.

Businesses, not considered important enough by the congress, are going into bankruptcy. People ARE losing their jobs. 401k's have ACTUALLY become 101k's and mortgage foreclosures are very real.

Rarely does all of this happen at the same time, and in short order, but it's a perfect storm.

Government is making it worse, not better. They are interfering with the system and prolonging the agony.

Let it happen! We are going to have to take our medicine, and the sooner we do, the sooner the bad taste goes away.

Is it going to hurt? Absolutely! Is it the end of the world? Only if we allow our way of life to be changed by political opportunists.

This the business version of Darwinian theory. Survival of the fittest.

Misguided patriotism
President Don gives us an example of misguided pride in American products.

Don apparently does not know that the "American" cars from Detroit are actually constructed in foreign countries. Assemblies are ordered from around the globe, then shipped to Detroit for final assembly.

The truth is that the "foreign" cars assembled in Honda's assembly plants in Ohio and Alabama, and the "foreign" cars assembled in Toyota's assembly plants in Alabama, Kentucky, Indiana, Texas, and West Virginia, have more American-made parts in them than do the "American" cars assembled in Detroit.

It never made sense to buy inferior cars just because you liked the nationality of the workers who built them; that just rewards incompetence. But it makes even less sense to buy them now that they order all their sub-assemblies from abroad.

SgtRelic
I am not a big fan of government and regulation, but lots of folks would argue with your contention "government is making it worse, not better."

Some apparatus of government should have been regulating the Madoff investment scheme, for instance.

Even Chris Cox, head of Securities and Exchange Commission, was quoted as saying his agency had "failed for at least a decade to to pursue allegations of wrongdoing by Wall Street figure Bernard Madoff".

So we even have the man charged with regulating some of these industries admitting his agency was negligent in its oversight responsibilities.

Indeed, while not necessarily the fault of SEC, many would argue that a general aversion to government regulation(a purist and doctrinaire conviction that markets always "self regulate")was responsible for the Savings and Loan meltdown in the 1980s.

I agree government is almost invariably "behind the curve", and often it stifles innovation.

But the purist creed that markets invariably "self-regulate" has been demonstrated to be a bitter joke in the minds of tens of millions of Americans who have seen their investments disappear in the last year or so.

Jonah

It's out of your warp, but I wish you had written this column in 1971 when Nixon took us off the gold standard. We are now reaping what he sowed...money backed by nothing but massive debt.

Another reflexive regulator
Jerabaub illustrates the very impulse Goldberg warns against, the one that responds "REGULATE!!! REGULATE!!!" to every little blip on the radar.

His version of liberal Tourette's has him suggesting today, "Some apparatus of government should have been regulating the Madoff investment scheme, for instance."

Jerabaub, me lad, there WAS an apparatus of government regulating it. It's called the Security and Exchange Commission -- the SEC. The reason the SEC let them get away with it is, Madoff is a criminal, and didn't tell the SEC what he was doing. No new regulations are necessary, we just need to enforce the existing ones, thank you very much.

It would be nice if you could engage your brain before you let your reflexive "REGULATE" come out of your mouth. However, most of us out here who understand economics are already aware that the liberal (or moderate) urge to regulate is a conditioned reflex, not a result of higher brain activity.

(Unrelated to this topic, please visit my political blog, "Plumb Bob Blog: Squaring the Culture," at http://www.plumbbobblog.com. Click on my nickname and follow the links on my townhall blog. Thanks.)

It can't happen here...
Yeah right! Don't panic!

No reason to panic
We have truly been blessed this holiday season with the hope of a new president who will change all of America for the better.

He will solve all our problems.

He will put a chicken in every pot.

He will fill our gas tanks.

He will pay our mortgages.

He will pay our medical bills.

There is no problem, great or small, that he cannot solve for us.

The change we have all hoped for is almost upon us.

May Obama bless each of you this holiday season.

SEEMS TO ME
The American people havn't learned 'diddly squat'.
The 'Rich' keep getting 'Richer' (which is great if they do so honestly) (but, I believe the majority of the 'Rich' acquire their wealth dishonestly).
While the 'Poor' keep getting 'Poorer' (which now includes the Middle Class).
And government aids and abets its own, the dishonest 'Rich'.
The majority of Americans voted for the 'One' because he promised them 'handouts'. Well, the 700 Billion wasn't 'handed out' to American citizens, now was it? It's going into the pockets of the 'dishonest 'Rich'.
Like I said, the American people haven't learned 'diddly squat'.


SEEMS TO ME
The American people havn't learned 'diddly squat'.
The 'Rich' keep getting 'Richer' (which is great if they do so honestly) (but, I believe the majority of the 'Rich' acquire their wealth dishonestly).
While the 'Poor' keep getting 'Poorer' (which now includes the Middle Class).
And government aids and abets its own, the dishonest 'Rich'.
The majority of Americans voted for the 'One' because he promised them 'handouts'. Well, the 700 Billion wasn't 'handed out' to American citizens, now was it? It's going into the pockets of the 'dishonest 'Rich'.
Like I said, the American people haven't learned 'diddly squat'.


Inkling Revival
If you swear off the koolaid long enough to read my post you will note that I specifically said: 1) that I was not a fan of government and regulation, and 2) that regulation often stifles innovation.

From that, how does your confused thought-processes conjure up the notion I favor "REGULATE!! REGULATE!! to every blip on the radar".

Some folks are getting very defensive nowadays as more and more evidence is accumulating that these financial meltdowns are occurring in an atmosphere where regulatory authorities either failed to do their jobs, or that the regulations were not tailored to the new financial industries.

I am not a fan of regulation, but I fear in this environment the pendulum may indeed swing in the direction of more regulation to deal with either a real or imagined problem...and we must take care not to have the pendulum swing too much toward regulation.

For folks who lost their life savings, it is more than an imaginary problem.

And I don't think they will take much comfort from doctrinaire laizzez faire theories..but folks on this board can continue to do so.

January 20, 2009
We will have the Great Freak in.

Demoncrat Torture
The alleged torture at Gitmo consisted of taking Muslim terrorists and making them think that they were drowning for a few minutes to make them provide info needed to prevent an attack.

Demoncrats have a different type of torture: They take their victims (How many millions of Obama voters were there?) and promise them the sun, the moon, and the stars - Democrat for life #11 has a partial list - add high-paying jobs requiring no knowledge, no training, and no work to it. Once they get elected, the sun, moon, and stars turn into a black hole, and they get nothing. The dems shut down whole industries and tax thousands of existing employers out of business and many millions of existing jobs out of existence. Peggy the Moocher won't have to buy gas because there won't be any to buy (The dollar will be worthless, and our oil-selling enemies won't take it. We aren't allowed to drill for our own trillions of barrels of oil. She won't have have to pay her mortgage, because she won't have any money. She will get to live in her car which won't go anywhere. All the Obama voters will now have nothing. Will they march on DC to make dems keep their promises, or to physically remove them from office? They did commit all the violence during the campaign.

Quick question: The demoncrats have two trillion dollars in new spending, and 47 trillion dollars in new taxes, who get the extra 45 trillion dollars - Algore? Hussein, Pelosi? Reid? Think about it.

Ron, Ron, Ron
Now you be nice, don't you know you are talking about Time's Man of the Year? tsk tsk, where ARE your manners?

Bush not through
YET!!! He will find more ways to destroy America in the next few weeks. And he will not pardon the border agents.

Entertainment Tonight
America's 300 million adolescents are unraveling as they see reality peak its ugly face into their virtual worlds. All our lives we've been able to turn on our TV's and see the truth as we've wanted it to be. Now it's all coming down. Math and gravity are twin bytches. It's not nice to fool Mother Nature.

This is going to be fun, delicious really. I've got my lounge chair and popcorn ready and am anxious to watch the carnage and the chaos as a nation of slaves and serfs hears from their dukes, vassals and messiahs that there's no more money. You'll have to work or starve. Goody, Goody, Goody!

Then the fun starts. We'll get a real good look at our wonderfully diverse and tolerant society, won't we? Imagine how our legions of freeloaders and welfare recipients are going to conduct themselves when they're standing with empty milk cartons, waiting for days in long lines for government trucks to deliver potable water.

They're not bringing books to read. They're not going to be waiting patiently, discussing the classics with their homeboys to pass the time.

I don't care. My stuff's paid for: house, cars, everything including my assault weapons and high capacity magazines. When the urban mobs turn down my street in Toyota pickup trucks overloaded with "disenfranchised youth", my neighbors and I are going to light them up big time.

Trespassers will be violated! Looters Beware!


The industrial base for war
While I am sympathetic to the need to retain a strong industrial base in the US, I don't think propping up the Detroit 3 is a way to do it. The needs for a modern 21st Century army are likely to be far different then the retooling of auto plants in the 1940s. The bizarre beurocracy of the US Detroit automakers can't seem to even find a domestic market for their cars and trucks never mind transition to an arsenal for democracy. With the help of the UAW and their friends in Congress this country would be ill served to respond to any military threat. Since the unviable US car industry more than likely will be liquidated as soon as the US public realizes the subsidation of them will eliminate the enactment of any of the Obama "dreams" they most likely won't last beyond Obama's first term no matter what occurs.

EUROPEAN AMERICANS UNITE
We are the new minority and we desperately need a credible leader who will speak up for us. Preferably someone with Reverend attached to his/her name. Being the new minority on the block is great for us. Our government always caves to minorities. Now we can march, protest, make demands, etc. Please someone step up to the plate and help us. Anytime we are fired, we can cry discrimination; not hired: discrimination; turned down for a loan: discrimination. ( Maybe get $50,000 like so many black farmers were awarded.) If police shoot a fleeing white felon, cry Discrimination and organize a march. Our new leader must have great influence and maintain control of our new organization and be able to keep all protests free of criminal actions that would diminish our effectiveness. Signed, Still Free in Cajunland

What We Need is a Crisis
It looks like the Messiah's Chief of Staff designee may have publicized the Democrat playbook for seizing power...cause a crisis and then take advantage of it to impose your will. Too bad there weren't enough adults voting last November, because it will only get worse.

Panic is
exactly what Ovomit and the dimorats want! They are doing everything they can to scare the people. In that way their Socialist Government can rush to the rescue! If there is no crisis, they will create one.

As Ovomit's chief of staff, said "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste; it's an opportunity to do important things that you would otherwise avoid." Says it all.

Yes, it's an opportunity. An opportunity to rip-off the American taxpayer and install their Socialist "One World Order!" Their tactics are to weaken the American resolve and distract them from what is really going on.

There is not a thing wrong with our Free Market system. But these corrupt politicians want you to believe that it has failed when in fact it is corrupt politicians who are to blame.

Well, many of you wanted Ovomit in, or allowed him to get in. So welcome to your new Marxist Socialism and the New World Order!

Re-learning history
Mr. Goldberg is right in his arguments about the long term outlook for free enterprise. It is easy to over react during times of crises and, as Roosevelt did during the Great Depression, make things worse. The Bush adminstration has consistently ignored the lessons of history. As a result, we have been re-learning many of them. Wall Street has never been a place that can be trusted to prudently operate on it's own. There has been a lot of finger pointing but the essence of our current economic panic is a lack of oversight.

A good capitalist needs to learn
Our system is not capitalist any more. It a fiat and not just the currency. The whole system is a fiat.
Capitalism is the allocation of real capital resources to market demands.
What with our fiat currency, fractional reserve banking system and monetization of debt/debt financing real capital plays a smaller and smaller role in the mechanics of the economy. Hence, being backed by nothing but imaginary numbers in various ledgers it is the house of cards that fell in '08.
Jonah is on the right side of something that he hasn't yet realized doesn't exist. Either that or he's fronting for a system that has hijacked the name "capitalism" to keep the massed hooked a bit longer.
I could say the same about free enterprise. That system is largely a mythical beast. Like Satan's lies, it's not bald faced, obvious but subtle and devious. Open your eyes, folks.

Benjamin Franklin once said
I am paraphrasing here..

'He who would give up his liberties for a little security deserve neither liberty nor security.'

I think this fits very nicely for what we are facing today.

Socialism
It's a little difficult to lead a nation into socialism, when it's been going in that direction for 60 years. I know some of you are determined to draw a line between the past and the future as being the beginning of the Obama administration, but the more practical reality is that he is simply a continuation of the last 60 years. We are not, as such, becoming socialistic, we already are. Now, it can be argued that he will make us even more so than McCain may have. But even that is open to question. After all, McCain supported the $700 B bailout, has called for government to bailout mortgage holders, has supported the Big 3 bailout, supported carbon cap and trade, and supports a form of increasing health insurance that the Heritage Institute indicated would cost some $1 trillion. Obama's health proposal was estimated to cost 20% more than McCain's, McCain and Obama's cap and trade proposals were almost identical, both claimed to want to get involved with the Kyoto talks on global warming which they agree is "real", and we have McCain listening to Bernake and Paulson, just like Obama is, when it comes to some huge "public" works program to get the economy "moving" again.

You cannot, as a result, get much traction trying to persuade those like myself that Obama is "significantly worse" than McCain would have been.

The bottom line is the GOP ran an "Obama Light" candidate, who ended up economically sounding just like Obama. So, the public picked Obama. Next time, the GOP might want to run someone who actually sounds and acts just a little bit different

It's been over two days
since the Electoral College started working on the results of the election, and the members haven't announced, "Halleluia, It's the Obamessiah". Do you think they might be looking at answering the questions about Obama's citizenship before starting the vote count?

Sgt Relic
writes, "This the business version of Darwinian theory. Survival of the fittest."

Love the point. Imagine the liberals running around trying to prevent the evolution of an animal because they liked the old version better. The same people enamored by the theory of life continually changing and evolving with only the best surviving absolutely oppose any such thing in reality. We want our Conestoga Wagons back pulled by methane and sh%t expelling and sometimes temperamental horses.



When IS the right time to panic?
I'm am not in panic because of the economic crisis -- and, newsflash, Jonah, there really IS an economic crisis going on, not just a little downturn for you to write about. But I do think that to have an overwhelmingly Democratic Congress led by idiots like Pelosi and Reid, with a Democratic POTUS who has no experience doing anything other than participating in Chicago-style politics and is the most liberal Senator ever to emerge from Congress -- well, yes, I think that might be a reason to panic. Because they sure aren't going to repair the economic crisis. They will ONLY worsen it, and by leaps and bounds per day.

So, Jonah, when IS the right to panic?

Bush Not So Bad
To me, torture is when you leave a lasting injury, like cutting off hands.

You haven't heard any whining about old folks eating dog food to afford prescriptions since he started the program. He kept private competition involved and it has cost far less than projected.

Personally, I would much rather have Bush handling the TARP than Obama.

I wonder if Obama ever dreamed that he would be partially responsible for this global meltdown after he sued Citibank in the '90's for minority loans?

Oh, my...
"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste; it's an opportunity to do important things that you would otherwise avoid."

Frightened people have no wits, and guess who is planning on taking advantage of it?

Security over freedom
Unfortunately, there are many who, like those in Europe, value security OVER freedom. We have these people to fear.

Obummer missed.....
a golden opprtunity the other day when he stated:

"It's going to get WORSE before it gets better"....

This is NOT the qualities of a leader whatsoever.....

He SHOULD have said something to the effect that: We WILL have this economy humming right along by July.....

The point being: ESTABLISH A SENSE OF TRUST AND CALM AGAIN.....but alas, no leadership!

The slide continues.....

PLEASE, SANTA, SEND US A LEADER
Wanted: A statesman with no suspicious past.
A man/woman of experience and intellect
An individual without a hint of scandal
A person who keeps company with others who are above reproach.
A person with years of accomplishments proven worthy of such a job.


Is this too much to ask for the most powerful job on the planet?

Mother Of Sin Taxes
According to a leading Sex prevention Service U.S. singular condom sales are running at one trillion rubbers annually. This data suggest that Americans are using more condoms in response to higher child raising costs and AIDS education. That news will be a golden opportunity for states that are searching to find the right sin tax to erase high budget deficits. 5 bucks a condom would be a fair sin tax. If combined with a higher tax for those that use motel rooms for illicit sex it would be the largest state tax increase since the civil war. Not only would it solve the states budget deficit but it would also make religious leaders happy---family values would once again become holy and pre martial sex curtailed.

Another incredibly dishonest Townhall ar
icle

Goldberg states that "But now that we have the equivalent of an economic 9/11, much of the same crowd sees its chance to lock in ideas that would be unthinkable during saner times"

Then goes onto blame democrats (Rahm Emmanuel).

This is dishonest, hypocritical, and really bizarre.

Bush and the conservatives exploited 9/11 to start two illegal and disastrous wars, to implement illegal wiretapping, torture and rendition, and so on.

How can you people believe anything Goldberg says?

jerabaub
jerabaub writes: "For folks who lost their life savings, it is more than an imaginary problem. And I don't think they will take much comfort from doctrinaire laizzez faire theories..but folks on this board can continue to do so."

Certainly if shouting "Free markets! Self-regulation!" is all that conservatives have to offer, they're not going to win the 2010 election, or the 2012 election, either.

This financial debacle is going to leave bitter memories with voters for years to come. And what they are going to remember is that there was a Republican in the White House (not who the Speaker of the House was or who the Majority Leader of the Senate was).

And I think that Sgt. Relic's attempts at reviving Social Darwinism won't sit too well with them either.

The problem that too many of my fellow conservatives have, is that they don't attempt to do a sanity check of their theories against actual, raw, human suffering.

It's No Time to Panic
Fairly good article overall except for the statement about not tightening the money supply...bad, BAD idea. Goldberg is no economist of the conservative type which is the only kind to be.

When the odds are grossly against you then you do not raise the stakes unless you're a real glutton for punishment. This bailout is nothing but an advance taxing scheme that we and our children will be saddled with for years to come.

Fear distorts the thinking process (all strong emotions do). Freedom is the Holy Grail; let's not throw ourselves in jail. Still, prudent measures are needed if there are checks and balances and a "just right" approach is used to counter the threat. For instance, the inelegant mess that is airport security does not make us substantially safer; too many weaknesses to be exploited by the bad guys but it is unmitigated hell for all law abiding citizens. Overall, I'm rather skeptical that government will "save us". Haven't they screwed up everything they've touched? The more effective "layer" we can create is individual vigilance and appropriate response. Citizens need to train for awareness and exercise it. If we don't let government subjugate us like sheep then we are less likely to be led to slaughter. Desperate times require desperate measures but they should be measures we control not inept government even though they have a role too.

Dr Douglas
Yeah, a doctor. Of what? Pessimism? You are the most hyper-critical, partisan,-albeit devoid of ideas poster of all of the trolls on TH. You make Mario and Koolmuse and Drunkahue look like a veritable fount of information. Please go back to the Daily Kook or your classroom to brainwash dolts that want to grow up to be just like you. Your posts are totally worthless.

oh the calm, quiet feeling
That only being wealthy can give you. What's the worst that can happen? Lose the home in France? Oh, it won't come to that, surely..

Nam65-66
Test.

Say it is not so?
If that is all you learnt from the last great depression, your bound to repeat it and more.

This one will be different in many ways. The last one was created from the bottom up, this one is the top down. Banks are starting this one because of government guarantees that the government can not fullfill in AIG and FM's.

Secondly, the last one had money available. This one has money economically spent overboard by both consumers, and government. In other words they have already spent their future paychecks and are scared.

Thirdly the last great depression was overcome with industrialization revolution. This time it will be brought out by hard work. I see no new economic revolutions on the horizon. Balancing trade would go a long ways tho., government reduced expenditures, and eliminating government interventions in the market place. Eliminating the Federal Reserve would stop government from creating this in the first place.

Capitalism is universal and found in every country. Free enterprise of capitalism is always being attacked by governments and screw things up. Because governments think they know more then the average man. I elect them to represent me, not to tell me they are smarter. If I thought so, I would hire them to be an advisor for me.

This Is No Time to Panic
"Soon you'll be able to pay for a Cadillac with chickens."

"Liberal Fascism."

--Jonah Goldburg

Wot, me panic? Just quietly loading up on chickens...

Jonah
Your latest article, "Cinderella vs The Barracuda" (12-19-08), just got pulled from TH once the discussion started getting good. I see that it is on other sites. What gives?
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