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Friday, August 01, 2008
Jonah Goldberg :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Spoiled Children of Capitalism
by Jonah Goldberg
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It's an old story. Loving parents provide a generous environment for their offspring. Kids are given not only ample food, clothing and shelter, but the emotional necessities as well: encouragement, discipline, self-reliance, the ability to work with others and on their own. And yet, in due course, the kids rebel. Some even say their parents never loved them, that they were unfair, indifferent, cruel. Often, such protests are sparked by parents' refusal to be even more generous. I want a car, demands the child. Work for it, insist the parents. Why do you hate me? asks the ingrate.

Of course, being an old story doesn't make it a universal one. But the dynamic is universally understood.

We've all witnessed the tendency to take a boon for granted. Being accustomed to a provision naturally leads the human heart to consider that provision an entitlement. Hence the not-infrequent lawsuits from prison inmates cruelly denied their rights to cable TV or apple brown betty for desert.

And so it goes, I think, with capitalism generally.

Capitalism is the greatest system ever created for alleviating general human misery, and yet it breeds ingratitude.

People ask, "Why is there poverty in the world?" It's a silly question. Poverty is the default human condition. It is the factory preset of this mortal coil. As individuals and as a species, we are born naked and penniless, bereft of skills or possessions. Likewise, in his civilizational infancy man was poor, in every sense. He lived in ignorance, filth, hunger and pain, and he died very young, either by violence or disease.

The interesting question isn't "Why is there poverty?" It's "Why is there wealth?" Or: "Why is there prosperity here but not there?"

At the end of the day, the first answer is capitalism, rightly understood. That is to say: free markets, private property, the spirit of entrepreneurialism and the conviction that the fruits of your labors are your own.

For generations, many thought prosperity was material stuff: factories and forests, gold mines and gross tons of concrete poured. But we now know that these things are merely the fringe benefits of wealth. Stalin built his factories, Mao paved over the peasants. But all that truly prospered was misery and alienation.

A recent World Bank study found that a nation's wealth resides in its "intangible capital" - its laws, institutions, skills, smarts and cultural assumptions. "Natural capital" (minerals, croplands, etc.) and "produced capital" (factories, roads, and so on) account for less than a quarter of the planet's wealth. In America, intangible capital - the stuff in our heads, our hearts and our books - accounts for 82 percent of our wealth.

Any number of countries in Africa are vastly richer in baubles and soil than Switzerland. But they are poor because they are impoverished in what they value.

In large measure our wealth isn't the product of capitalism, it is capitalism.

And yet we hate it. Leaving religion out of it, no idea has given more to humanity. The average working-class person today is richer, in real terms, than the average prince or potentate of 300 years ago. His food is better, his life longer, his health better, his menu of entertainments vastly more diverse, his toilette infinitely more civilized. And yet we constantly hear how cruel capitalism is while this collectivism or that is more loving because, unlike capitalism, collectivism is about the group, not the individual.

These complaints grow loudest at times like this: when the loom of capitalism momentarily stutters in spinning its gold. Suddenly, the people ask: What have you done for me lately? Politicians croon about how we need to give in to Causes Larger than Ourselves and peck about like hungry chickens for a New Way to replace dying capitalism.

This is the patient leaping to embrace the disease and reject the cure. Recessions are fewer and weaker thanks in part to trade, yet whenever recessions appear on the horizon, politicians dive into their protectionist bunkers. Not surprising that this week we saw the demise of the Doha round of trade negotiations, and this campaign season we've heard the thunder of anti-trade rhetoric move ever closer.

This is the irony of capitalism. It is not zero-sum, but it feels like it is. Capitalism coordinates humanity toward peaceful, productive cooperation, but it feels alienating. Collectivism does the opposite, at least when dreamed up on paper. The communes and collectives imploded in inefficiency, drowned in blood. The kibbutz lives on only as a tourist attraction, a baseball fantasy camp for nostalgic socialists. Meanwhile, billions have ridden capitalism out of poverty.

And yet the children of capitalism still whine.

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further more, it's based on helping your
fellow man. You must serve others in order to succeed.
Capitalism has that built into it, thereby effectively countering the "selfishness" it is accused of being built on.
Capitalism acknowledges our selfish tendencies, whereas Socialism pretends it doesn't exist; pretends the bureaocrats making decisions about other people's lived and money aren't subject to bribes, sloth, apathy - all biproducts of basic selfishness.

Proudly Spoiled
Proudly spoiled, proudly American-made, proudly voting McCain.

And Proudly Employed
And proud of the way I was raised.

Happiest, most Content Countries

Wed July 2, 2008

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Denmark is the world's most content nation, according to a new study on global wellbeing, but the good news is, despite the credit crunch and rising fuel and food prices, all of us are getting happier.


Denmark's prosperity and democratic systems are seen as key to its contentment.

Researchers at the University of Michigan said Denmark's prosperity, stability and democratic government placed the country at the top of the rankings, with Colombia, Canada, Puerto Rico and Iceland all in the top 10.

The United States -- the world's richest nation -- ranked 16th among 97 countries, while Britain was placed 21st.


TOP 10 HAPPIEST COUNTRIES

1. Denmark
2. Puerto Rico
3. Columbia
4. Iceland
5. N. Ireland
6. Republic of Ireland
7. Switzerland
8. Netherlands
9. Canada
10. Austria


"I strongly suspect there is a strong correlation between peace and happiness," said Ronald Inglehart, a political scientist at the University of Michigan's Institute for Social Research.

"There is also a correlation between democracy and peace. Democracies are less likely to fight each other than non-democracies."

The destruction of our wealth
Very few Americans are trying to destroy our intangible capital by promoting socialism, but far too many of us are creating a disaster by pushing us into fascism. We now have the illusion of private ownership of businesses and other property while the government retains control over all important policies and procedures.

When something inevitably goes wrong due to excessive regulation, the "evil" owners are scapegoated by the fascist voters and their representatives. Big oil is only one example proving that we have fascism and not capitalism, and the resulting high gas prices are not big oil's fault.

In spite of all the laws, Americans still say, "There ought to be a law..." And, it all starts with the government monopoly schools.

What democracy?
Our country was founded as a republic (Article 4, Section 4). Uncontrolled democracies allow the left and right wings of Control Freaks Unanimous to cram any damn thing they choose down all our throats just by buying and stealing 50.01% of the vote.

Not sure...
... of the point trying to be made here. 'Capitalism' as the greatest idea since religion? My understanding is that it's only a name that Marx gave to free enterprise, which he believed should be harnessed by the state. If there are any great ideas to be discussed, freedom should top the list. What all that has to do with whining brats escapes me.

I feel sorry for Jonah sometimes...
but then of course its his choice to be featured here with these nutters so I shouldnt. As The Economist wrote (I forget the exact words so I paraphrase) "its sad to see such a young bright deep thinking true intellectual allow himself to be lumped together with the ignorant fundamentalist blowhards of the american conservative movement". While I disagree with Jonah 90% of the time, this article is clearly one of the 10%, and even when I disagree, what he says, unlike the rest here, with the exception of John Stossel who is often cool, is never complete ignorant nonsense. The other conservatives have a lot to learn from Jonah.

To count one's blessings ...
My sister and I (ages 66 and 71--she lives in Mexico and I in Sweden, but we were born in the USA and lived there until advanced ages) were born into an economically poor family, second-generation from southern Europe, except for one grandparent with roots in Nieuw Amsterdam--I, in the depression, and Sis at the start of WWII. We have known economic downs, some pretty good ups, ending in the current down of the housing market. We're OK. We have 14 progeny between us and lots of loving memories. Things are mostly better for our descendants. Whenever we may get to feeling like things could have been better "if only..." we habitually and literally count our blessings and snap out of it. None of our children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren seem to be rebelling against "the system" or "authority" or any "-ism", although many of them have resisted familial authority during the expected years. Sis likes the Dems and I tend toward libertarian thinking, but we don't let politics get in the way of the important stuff. What's the point in this ramble? We have learned and we have demonstrated, naturally and without forcing the issue on our descendants, that it is important to be useful to others, maybe even especially in the smallest ways. That's all. And, from my point of view, it is important to keep in mind the core lesson from "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle maintenance," to be found in Chapter 25, the paragraph beginning: "I think that if we are going to reform the world..."

And, finally, to quote Bob and Ray: "Hang by your thumbs...and write if you get work."

A sinkng boat drowns all the rats
I see that the usual stable of socialists and communists have crawled out from under the baseboard to scatter their roach droppings all over the comment sections. The fact is that socialism and communism has failed miserably in every instance it has been pushed forward. The degree and speed of failure is determined by how much of the economy is controlled by the socialism.

We here in the U.S. were a capitalist country up until FDR took office. Since then we have been moving further and further into socialism, and since the eco-idiots and property grabbers started with indiscriminate property confiscation we are now moving into communism. Even as we speak the government is taking over more of the banking institutions.

We started moving downhill with FDR and are now accelerating.

I'd beg to differ
on the idea that it was as long as 300 years ago that princes lived worse than we moderns.

How about the late 19th and early 20th centuries? Indoor plumbing, heating and light. The telephone, automobiles, airplanes. Computers and all that. We have it better than Queen Victoria ever did, for all her royal trappings.

My Mother-in-law at 92 has seen more advances than any generation before or since. We have a picture of her and her older brother in a horse-drawn buggy on the homestead; she's also seen men walk on the Moon and the space shuttle, and is totally baffled by the computer to say nothing of the Blackberry.

That wouldn't have been possible without the capital of hands, heads and hearts that frankly would never have had the chance to develop these things if not for the freedom we have here.

Though I'm right there with you on the other stuff, Vic! :)

Better than the "68 Olympic BS
Actually a good read, not one mention of Liberal fascists.

Do any of you know who Jonah's Mom is?

It has to do with a blue dress.

AliveInHim
It is my belief that this country has seen it's prime. That occurred in the late 1800s and early 1900s in Mark Twain’s Guilded Age. Alas, in 1913 the 16th Amendment was passed and the seeds of destruction were sown.

Vic
I wonder if most folks really know that we didn't emerge as an economic superpower till after WWII?

I would argue for the most rapid decline beginning in the mid-60's with the WOP.

Under Oblahma we can only hit bottom. Then what?

I'm off to find a pitchfork...

Capitalism can be bad
Capitalism, like science, in and of itself is a good system that has proven its worth and also its bad side. The thing Jonah choses to leave out in the battle between community versus individual generated political modes, is religion.

Capitalism and individualism with its present secular, selfish world, is what's wrong.

Like a ship without a pilot, capitalism needs the modification of love of God and neighbor to reap its full harvest and not submerge as it has into mere individualism, materialism, and hedonism.

The state, as we have seen in the twentieth century is a cruel master, that views the individual, not as the precious heart and soul of its purpose,that the swtate should always exist to serve, but as mere commodity to dispose of or use at will.

Take your pick of system, state run Gulogs or individually chosen abortion; without God as our guide and loving master, we commit self destruction.

AliveInHim
I would say that we were an "economic super power" in the early 1900s. We were not a military power until WWI.

Will of 12:54
The outfit that put together this list has GOT to be kidding. Columbia??? North Ireland??? Poster children for internal violence, and amongst the world leaders in emigration.

The 2nd generation
Self-made wealthy men often fail to pass on to their children the virtues that led to the wealth. In many cases, the indulged, spoiled and naive children do silly things and wind up broke. Starting with big advantage, they are passed up by those who think more clearly and work harder. Much of America is in the position of the child of wealth. Insulated from harsher aspects of reality, foolish decisions are not immediately punished. Depending on just what percentage of the voters are know-nothings, we may be in the position of the wealthy child who ends his days watching the success of hungrier competitors pass him by.

Whining Capitalists
The hyper-sensitivity of the McCain campaign notwithstanding , Phil Gramm was right.

Will No. 15
Canada is NOT a Happy Country. Canada seethes with unhappiness, and the whining can be heard around the world.

Canada is a nation of spoiled, miserable brats who believe that anybody who has five cents more than someone else is TheRich and ought to be punished; and that if you decide to have 18 children it is the job of your neighbours to pay you $1800 per month (you get $100 per child free of charge in Canada, regardless of your income) for producing nothing but babies.

Canada hates the USA because it would starve to death in 48 hours if the borders were closed, and because in that 48 hours sleeper cells would be awakened and run riot in the confidence that the Amricans would not stop them and the Canadians are afraid to stop them.

You come up here and live and then tell me this is a happy country.

will, you might want to do a little ...
checking on those researchers from Michigan. I can't honestly say that I have, but I do know this: My two kids have been on numerous mission trips to Northern Ireland, and you may be astounded to know that they have THE highest teen suicide rate in the world. The people are wonderful, but content?, how does one measure contentment?

Personal freedom and individuality are .
what made America great. With personal freedom we dared to reach beyond our grasp. We pulled ourselves up and became prosperous. This is what made America wealthy and prosperous.

But as we became better off we also expressed our individuality more strongly. This individuality lead to the "What's in it for me?" generation. A generation that is firmly convinced they should have everything now that their parents worked all their lives for. This is what happens when individuality is not balanced by a little common interest. I submit the common interest that is missing is patriotism and belief in the Constitution. Patriotism is an expression of appreciation for the freedom to live your life and be as successful as you desire. And the Constitution is the mortar that holds the bricks of our society together. Without these common interests the only thing left is to grab as much wealth as you can. But without patriotism and the Constitution you are on your own.

Interesting
I liked his comment that much of our wealth is what is in our heads. For me, it's true. I still have the same amount of personal space I ever had, and spend the same percentage of my time at work. And yet, having completed an advanced degree and learned, as I get older, just what expenditures really bring me happiness as opposed to which ones promise to, but don't, I feel wealthier.

When I look around my home, I see nothing expensive, but I love everything I have, and don't want more. When I look around the world, I see nothing that confuses me. I don't always like what I see, but I understand it. Life is good.

Jonah
I read your columns, because you bring your own "Rope".In America the "Intangibles" account for 82% of our wealth.Have you seen the size of America's wealth lately?It is disappearing,just like our "Intangibles".You can't make this stuff up!!!Also,children rebel once they see the "Hypocrisy" of their parents.Nobody knows better than those who are "Locked" inside.

Killer
What the heck are you babbling about?

A New Era of Civil Strife?
Mr. Goldberg is right on target. Captitalism, while it may be the best way for humanity to explore its creative potential and to reach unlimited levels of material prosperity,has one gnawing fatal flaw: the very premise of its unlimited potential for individual wealth appeals to man's most basic hunger for power and his equally unlimited potential for greed.

I don't see this article as being about bashing capitalism as so many comments seem to be project by excessively defending free market enterprise. I see the article being about criticizing the rampant excesses of American capitalism which are contaminating our culture and distorting our children's values by bendng their appetites toward fulfillment of their own personal material objectives in an unhealthy way.
I agree with Mr. Goldberg's deeper concern: that there is a yawning chasm emerging between the reason for our wealth (intangibles) and the accumulation of wealth for the sake of personal gain.
Further, sociologically speaking ,with the continued increase of social isolation of the individual via technology, the potential for further alienation and hence, misunderstanding, only grows, increasing the potential for conflict between ourselves.
Another serious era of class-based civil strife may be in the offing... creating a fresh new environment for "liberal fascism" to thrive in...

Excellent ..

Jonah Goldberg makes the case for capitalism as well as anyone since Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand. Capitalism is about as good as it gets in this imperfect world.

The do-gooders and Utopians seek the imperfections of a capitalist economy, unarguably present, whine about them, then damn the entire philosophy. Meanwhile, they hold their noses and ignore the mountains of corpses their intellectual brethren wrought in the 20th century.

Now their advance team comes to you marketing "CHANGE" in annoyingly grandiose rhetoric.

Packaging the same old whines in bigger bottles with bright shiny labels does nothing to improve the vintage.

Capitalism is dual to freedom
Instead of voting for people, we vote for goods and services with our money.

Its liberty to the Nth degree, and it works EVERY time as long as interlopers from government stay out of it.

JamesB
Have your grandchildren explain it to you.Please...

Bud
Well said

Seeds of Wealth
Prior to and during the Great Depression ALL members of a family were required to do their part, regardless of age or gender, for the good of the family.

The family was a cohesive unit with a patriarch responsible for the health and well being of the family and in most all cases was guided by the family Bible in fulfilling his duties.

This verse was especially important and all members of any family could recite, "The 2nd Thessalonians 3:10: ...if any would not work, neither should he eat."

If the family did not own land they became sharecroppers who lived and worked on the land as farmers or servants for the wealthy land owners.

Some members of a family were skilled craftsmen who earned their keep as carpenters, millers, blacksmiths, cabinet makers et cetara.

These family members capitalised on their skills as farmers and craftsmen to establish their position as members of a community that grew into a small town then a city.

Some of the sharecroppers 'saved up' to purchase land of their own then livestock and their farms began to grow and create wealth for themselves and their families.

When some members of the family became educated the family wealth increased but the family remained cohesive because of the teaching of the patriarch who eventually relinquished his duties and wealth to his seed, his son, an educated entrepreneur who purchased more land and further increased the family capital.

I venture to say, in the early days, those members of a poor or rich family who did not abide by the Bible verses and the teaching of the patriarch would begin a life in poverty or crime.






Guilty!
Excellent article! As much as these words cut deep for all Americans they are true and we all need to hear them and Thank God Above We Live in America in the year 2008. We could of as easily been born in Angola only by Gods hand do we find ourselves in the Great Capitalist Society of the United States of America!

American's Are "Whiners"?
That's right, everything is just great, gas isn't expensive, and all of our jobs aren't being sent to Taiwan and Mexico. There's no global warming and Afghanistan doing "swimmingly". Goldberg and Gramm tell us not to complain, we have it better than Ethiopia at least. We should all ignore that huge tumor on our arm, it's nothing, really.

Liberty Precedes Capitalism
You cannot have capitalism without freedom. Liberty, the protections of individual and his property are at the heart of capitalism. The Founder's greatest genius was framing a society around guarenteed enumerated rights. Religion or its absence does not work into the mix; however, that doesn't mean that the Founders weren't thinking of religion, as it was one of the first rights protected from the long hand of Congress (Remember, the prohibition in the 1st Amendment was on Congress and not the states). Federalism and Constitutional Democracy are the foundations of our wealth. The fist chip out of this bedrock foundation was John Marshall's idea of Judicial Review; the 2nd, as Vic, pointed out was the 16th Amendment. The Courts and not laws now run our nation, and Congress's assault on private property began with the first Fascist, Woodrow Wilson.

To JamesB:
Don't you know? Since he rarely has anything remotely intelligent or meaningful to contribute, that's what killer does is babble.

Malaise
Anyone remember Carter's Malaise speech?

"In a nation that was proud of hard work, strong families, close-knit communities, and our faith in God, too many of us now tend to worship self-indulgence and consumption. Human identity is no longer defined by what one does, but by what one owns. But we've discovered that owning things and consuming things does not satisfy our longing for meaning. We've learned that piling up material goods cannot fill the emptiness of lives which have no confidence or purpose."

I didn't like the sound of this kind of simplistic rhetoric in 1979. It doesn't sound any better wrapped in Goldberg's "conservative" garb.


An out-of-the-park, ....
....near perfect essay, Jonah.

As a therapist, I treat people from a wide variety of income levels. From rich to poor, they share one common trait and that is that they are devoid of gratitude.

"Blaming and damning is the essence of neurosis", is a phrase so accurately put by Albert Ellis and Robert Harper, two reality-based pioneering psychologists. I would humbly add, "and an absense of gratitude" to the list.

For example, I've treated literally hundreds of autoworkers for various and sundry minor and very treatable psychological maladies. They have, by their own reports, nice homes, two or three cars, often some vacation property in northern Michigan, and a lifetstyle that far surpasses that of their parents. But these distressed people don't ever consider their good fortune in life.

Almost to a man and woman, they angrily denounce their employer who "just won't give us what we want a bargaining time(!)" and end their tirades with, "they've got billions of dollars, too(!). Puzzled how almost all of them make the same comment, I discovered a few years ago that this lament is right out of the UAW newsletters. There is the blaming or damning.

When I bring up subject of gratitude, I commonly get the "deer in the headlights" look from them. Not surprisingly, when they finally accept gratitude as a daily practice, the bulk of their distress "miraculously" (as many of them declare) disappears.

Ingratitude; a foundation of the left, and one of the roots of insanity - mild or otherwise.




Taft
"That's right, everything is just great, gas isn't expensive," - compared to average income it is at the level of 1986 prices, and much less than in the '70s;
" and all of our jobs aren't being sent to Taiwan and Mexico." - those aren't 'your' jobs, they are jobs created for you by those who do instead of whinning;
" There's no global warming" - actually.. there IS NO gloabl warming, it's a hoax.
" and Afghanistan doing "swimmingly"" - a war fought 'over there', would you rather have it fought in your city?
". Goldberg and Gramm tell us not to complain, we have it better than Ethiopia at least." - no dips%#!t, you have it better than Ethiopia, and China, and India, and France, and Germany and Spain and Sweden, and Luis XIV "sun-king" of France, and all his aristocrats, and ...
" We should all ignore that huge tumor on our arm, it's nothing, really." the only tumor is the one masquerading as your brain.

Dead On - Great Article
It is amazing how such an obvious fact as Capitalism being the ultimate cure not the sickness is missed by so many.

The incredible naivety and sheer stupidity among so many is the real sickness and the cure is education as opposed to indoctrination as presently practiced in too many colleges.

We have way too many teachers who are themselves complete ignorant. That's what happens when your entire education system and the media slowly drift into the complacence of relativism, 60's peace and love / kumbaya’s mentality.

The result is a 2 dimensional cartoon character filled with the left idiotic mythology such as Obama now being one step away from the presidency. God have mercy!

Derek
In the 1970's a family could have a stay at home wife who raised the kids, and with a lot of work could put them through college with out a second mortgage. Now both work, and if grandma doesn't raise the kids some stranger down the block does and, have you looked into what a semester of college costs. I'm not whining and yes, we have it better than a lot of the world, but that doesn't mean we should ignore the down grade. Speaking of Europe, they have a high standard of living than we do to. Go ahead and ignore the facts and live in your gated community, but it's not the same as when you where starting out.

How about you Jonah?


Hey Jonah, which side of this argument were you on, as a kid?

And by the way, sometime make an excuse to tell the story of your “name” on your lunch bag in school days. I won’t even hint, but it was a great story, and it proves that all PC ideas are recent.



Plan for Africa


Well I have an idea how to present aid to Africa.

We sent 150,000 Americans and billions of dollars to Iraq, and that hasn’t worked at all.

I suggest that we select 150,000 Americans who call themselves Africans, and buy them out for cash. That is, buy their house, their car, their businesses for cash, load the boats to Africa, the return trip talked about hundreds of years ago, and let them use the money and the knowledge they have learned in this country to solve the problems in Africa.

You must know by now that the white rulers who controlled that continent for centuries did such a bad job, that no one there will pay attention to a white man.

If you like Africa so well that you claim it as your “home,” part of your name, go back to where your ancestors came from, and put your knowledge to work.

And I mean Air Jordan, Magic Johnson, and all those other famous names, with huge bank accounts.

And I am serious, I really believe this could solve the problems in Africa.

Capitalism=human nature
Another fine column. Sorely needed, for as he points out, everytime there is a crisis liberals attempt to blame it on capitalism, claiming it has failed. Like shortages caused by price controls we know the opposite to be true, but ignorance never rests. One point though: I would posit that capitalism is not a creation of man-it is the natural state of things, a reflection of human nature. Indeed it existed before man invented socialism, feudalism and countless other failed alternatives. Capitalism creates winners and there will always be losers, or those that simply choose to sit on the sidelines that complain about an unfair outcome afterwards.

Taft
"In the 1970's a family could have a stay at home wife who raised the kids, and with a lot of work could put them through college with out a second mortgage."

This is still possible. The family you describe owned one car that was not an SUV or a luxury car, no cell phone, generally no cable, had no student loans, no internet, had less square feet of house per person, ate out less often and at cheaper local diners, bought consumer electronics less often, and repaired instead of replaced major appliances

Your "putting them through college" comment is a little off as well as the percent of people with 4-year degrees has risen over the years to its current level of around 25%. That means at least 3 out of 4 of the families you describe never put their kids through college.

Taft 2
"Speaking of Europe, they have a high standard of living than we do..."

Actually most of Europe has an average living space that, in America, would be considered impoverished.

Moonkeeper
They are more compact, alright, but don't most also has a summer home too? And, you might be right about the stay at home spouse, but it's a fact that things are harder than in the 70's. Actually my wife and I did have one of us stay at home. We made it but with no savings. Even so, I would recommend everyone to do it.

Taft - Staying at home is more rewarding
"They are more compact, alright, but don't most also has a summer home too?"

I don't think so.

"And, you might be right about the stay at home spouse, but it's a fact that things are harder than in the 70's."

You're located in CA? Depending on where you're at I can understand why you're saying this as the cost of living has soared to outrageous heights out there. You may have a skewed personal view. Have you lived outside of there in recent years? Most of the country has a much lower cost of living.

"Actually my wife and I did have one of us stay at home. We made it but with no savings. Even so, I would recommend everyone to do it."

Agree completely. My wife and I do the same. Raising our son (8-months old) instead of having day care or grandparents do it is far more rewarding then the money we could have saved and the luxuries we could have purchased had my wife kept her job.

From Me: Part 1
Note: My essay in two parts to get around TH limitations. My apologies. Enjoy!

Have you noticed that there are basically two types of lib. . . communists in America today.

The leaders of America's communists are the rich elites: Clintons, Gores, celebrities, journalists, professors and the like. They demand that others, not them, get fleeced by government agencies and that wealth given to "the poor", or some hyphenated victim group.

These elites exempt themselves from the wealth transfer. They put their estates in trusts, like the Kennedys do, or otherwise shelter their assets. Those in government are squired around in bullet proof limousines with armed guards, live in gated non-diverse neighborhoods and send their kids to private, exclusive schools. They tell us to remove all but one of our light bulbs, suffer in the heat and freeze in the cold while their utility bills exceed $30,000 annually like Al Gore's. Some, like John Edwards, live in 30,000 sq. ft. mansions on clear cut mountain top hide a ways and scold us for wanting to live in the suburbs.

The other class of American communist is greater in numbers. These are life's failures, losers who did not apply themselves in school, mismanaged their lives and made bad decisions. Rather than learn from their mistakes, these failures blame someone else and demand that government make things "fair" and "equal", meaning that they want agencies to give them extra special rights.

This second and larger group are fat, because they do nothing but watch daytime TV: The View, Oprah, Dr. Phil and MTV. They drool on themselves because they sit and breath with their mouths open. Many engage in sex with their siblings and breed more "progressives". They vote democratic.


Captialism, Freedom, Greatness
I enjoyed the article and felt that, as far as it goes, it is well thought out. America, however, is more than just a 'capitalist' or 'free enterprise' nation. We have, or at least had, a Constitution which respected property rights of the individuals. It, along with the Judeo-Christian foundation of our society, made it possible for free enterprise to work to the advantage of all.

However, if you remove the respect of personal property from our government, or if you remove the Judeo-Christian foundation from our society, or if you punish those who are successful in their enterprise efforts - you will be left with an empty shell that neither rescues nor provides for anyone.

From Me: Part 2
Hopefully, if and when conservatives ever regain power, both groups of communists will be rounded up and proscribed. Elite liberals should be striped of their wealth and forced to work in defense plants for slave wages.

The masses of dumb registered democrats should be screened for healthy organs. Any that have organs not tainted by STDs or drugs, should be separated and maintained for scientific experiments and organ transplants.

The remaining stupid democrats should be ground up into fertilizer, thus reducing their carbon footprints.

Naturally, such conversion processes should be certifiably "Green".


No Illegal Immigrants = Happier

will Location: CA
Reply # 4
Date: Aug 1, 2008 - 12:54 AM EST
Happiest, most Content Countries

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Denmark is the world's most content nation,

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We visited twice, and found the hate of the US by the young Danes, to be equal to their lack of knowledge about the USA.

A man we talked to in Copenhagen said the Danes complain that in the US, we don't treat our millions of immigrants the way the Danes say we should.

He then added, "But this is Denmark, we don't want any immigrants."

If we had no illegal W*t backs in the USA, we would be much happier, also.



moonkeeper
"Raising our son (8-months old) instead of having day care or grandparents do it is far more rewarding then the money we could have saved and the luxuries we could have purchased had my wife kept her job."

You will never regret it. Now, I've better get some work done, have a good day.

Baby boomers
are the most spoiled bunch of whining cry babies.

We baby boomers are the most affluent, privilved generation the world has ever known and yet too many of these boomers sit there and whine and complain like a bunch of cry babies. It's pathetic!

It has to do with this sense of entitlement.
I-want-what-I-want-when-I-want-it-NOW!

Message to boomers: GROW THE HELL UP!

Don't know what you want 'til it's gone
The problem is ignorance and envy. This generation of America has always HAD. And we still think we need more. 100 years ago, children worried about having to work to eat. Today they feel left out because everyone has an Ipod or cell phone but them. Probably because of uncaring parents. 45 years ago I remember being taught how to sit with my head between my legs since the Soviets were moving missles into Cuba. Today, our youth are picketing the Pentagon because a Gitmo prisoner is photographed in his underwear while a female guard is eating a McRib sandwich and the whole world will come tumbling down by that action!

'29, WWI & II and other events forged this nation and its prosperity but when you inherit the results of other people's pain and sacrifice without having to experience or earn it, you'll never know what it means to actually deserve what you're fortunate enough to have today.

socialist swooning
Doesn't human nature make you want to puke. I would give odds that Obamas hecklers were invited guests. Jonah we need a good "couch article" to cleanse the soul from this interminable political campaign.

Excellent and well written
Explains things cearly and simply. I'm saving it.

jobs
The only reason jobs will leave this country is heavy taxation which makes it cheaper to do business overseas. We have one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world. We have numerous regulations on what countries can do(and what some can make in profits!) and then we scratch our heads when those companies go overseas.

American workers are still in the top 5 countries in output per hour worked. As usual the problem is government 'running' the free market.

Will of 12:54
In the list of Happiest COUNTRIES, it lists Puerto Rico.

Either the list was made up out of whole cloth by Will, or the researchers are too stupid to even work for the University of Michigan.

The last I heard, Puerto Rico is a territory of the United States, with a non-voting Congressman. It definitely is NOT a country.

And if Puerto Rico is such a contented place, why do so many residents migrate to the States?

Mr. Goldberg
I want to thank you for that perspective. I have pondered most of my life wondering how to answer that question so many liberals ask, "why is there poverty?"
I have never thought of it in that way - that it is the default condition. You are a genius.

Capitalism talk to promote corporatism
I agree with many of points and insights posted here, and that capitalism is a generally good thing.

Surprising no one discussed corporations in these comments.
With the Cold War over, I don't believe there are many people today who still question the value of capitalism.

Cutting through the Goldberg prose I see by the words

"These complaints grow loudest at times like this: when the loom of capitalism momentarily stutters in spinning its gold..."

that he is referring to the current recession/depression, and those who question corporate responsibility for it.

I think most of us have our suspicions about the role corporate power abuses played in the current downturn, and so we should go on questioning until we get the truth, despite what the author says about capitalism, or supply and demand, or any other true but irrelevent maxim.

Corporations are not benevolent as
parents are, nor necessarily, is "Poverty the default human condition".

Corporations seek to do only one thing: Make money. They don't care about the people, owe no allegiance to the people. When they pollute the environment, employ illegal aliens, collude, monopolize, manipulate or bribe and corrupt, the people must be the responsible parents and punish the corporations. The fact that the corporations get away with as much as they do does not mean they are entitled to wrongdoing, despite what the poorly raised executives might think.

Corporate fascists are the kids. Not the people. The people are the masters, the "parents" in this world, not the corporations, and not some general concept such as "capitalism".

Why is there wealth? Is that the question people ask? Sure. Dumb people do. Get smart and learn the answer: Trust. That's the answer to the question of why anything at all works in this world.

Chip
For a minute there, I thought I was reading the Daily Kos.

Your view of capitalism and of corporations is just that, opinion, with not a shred of rational thought. Though I could spend an hour dissecting your scree, I'll just take the time to hit the highpoints.

If you think that capitalism is generally a good thing, why then do you proceed to disparage and mischaracterize it in the rest of your post? My own rhetorical answer is that you see everything in shades of gray.

Either capitalism is a good thing or it is an evil thing; there is no middle ground there.

True, corporations are not benevolent; it is not their nature to be so, but charitable institutions are. One cannot create wealth if one does not look to make a profit.

And yes, corporations (and individuals who own their own businesses) do not care about "the people" in their role as business institutions. Privately, as individuals, they may be charitable; in fact, people who own and operate businesses are statistically more charitable in giving to private charities than those who do not produce.

I'm going to take a wild guess, but accurate I'm sure, that you are not a business owner.

And your last statement is true, but not in the way you think; trust is the coin of capitalism, for without the trust that contracts will be honored, and the trust that government will preserve the law of private property and ones' ownership of the fruit of his labor, we would descend into the chaos of a state where no one would have incentive to create wealth, but only catch as catch can.

Almost got it right.
I find this article to be dead on in many respects. However, it fails to address the onslaught of criticism of the media, government and elitists in denigrating Capitalism in the least and doing everything possible to destroy it at the most. Some of the comments below decrying corporations have some valid points, but fail to understand that the marketplace through competition creates the environment to either do what is right in treating customers and workers or fail. It is government intervention, special interest groups who interfere with competition and capitalism and then point the finger to say it fails. Capitalism without government interference thrives and the people of the world are the beneficiaries of that. By calling out Exxon Mobil as greedy, while the government taxes them beyond what any other industry is taxed and then call them the problem. Let them drill, let wall street create companies to compete with Exxon and quit villifying them, and watch how fast prices come down and efficiency takes over. Our biggest enemy is not Capitalism, it is both parties of government. They control information and distort facts. One fact they have been unable to completely distort is that Capitalism is solely responsible fot the greatest leap in any societies wealth and social well being in the history of this planet. Any the steady increase of government intervention and interference under the guise of championing the people has done more damage and prevented more well being than any single reason.

Countryman
Not correct on any point, and overlooked my main point.

My main point was to say that the column, in it's praises of capitalism, was really just an unfair attack on anyone who would suggest that corporate corruption contributed to, if not caused, the current economic recession.

You don't actually agree with this point the column made, do you?

The author is obviously in deep in his pretentious, snooty beliefs, so he said a lot more, which I also I disagreed with, so maybe my effort to also discuss the other matters such corporatism, corruption, the "default human condition" and so on, maybe made fully and clearly addressing all points a little challenging with the available space.

But regarding capitalism being only good or bad, as you required of me, I will say that as Don in his 6:30 AM posting pointed out, capitalism alone is like a good ship, but it also needs a good pilot. I agree with Don, and add that part of the good piloting comes from good regulating as well as good management. And that in these days when we may be lacking in both, the people who say as much should not be referred to as "the spoiled children of capitalism".

Jonah's False Dichotomy
Jonah's piece is superficial because he pretends that the issue is between those who like capitalism and those who do not. This is not issue. The issue is: Which version of regulated capitalism is best? All rational people agree that a completely free market is horrible (I don't think Jonah advocates the elimination of the EPA, FCC, FDA, SEC, etc.). The debate, then, concerns which version of capitalism- of which there are many- to promote. Hence, Jonah's dichotomy is a false and superficial one.

Chip-wow
I'll address your last post first, to clear the air.
What recesssion? I have not observed negative GDP for two, or even one consecutive quarter, unemployment's a bit high, but mainly because Congress extended benefit terms recently, so the leeches of society have pounced on that rather than getting a job or creating one, and inflation is low. There just isn't any recession which this "corporate corruption" created.

I have seen the term "corporatism" tossed around over the years, but still haven't received a definition of what it is; it seems to be an evil sort of capitalism, according to what attitude one has toward creating wealth and making a profit.

Do you disagree with Mr. Goldberg and propose that the default condition of the human race is abundant wealth without labor? That only occurs for individuals who claim that their needs are greater, and proceed to use the government to use force on those who produce to satisfy their needs.

True, capitalism needs good pilots in each of its ships; those pilots are the owners of businesses who steer their ships to satisfy both their investors and their customers; a good profit for one, a good product for the other. If he fails on either count, then he steers his ship into the rocks, and only he is to blame.
You proposal that government should regulate capitalism suggests that a bureaucrat in DC or a Congressman knows better how to satisfy my investors and customers than I do. Wrong.

Chip-wow continued

Your suggest that "when they [corporations] pollute the environment, employ illegal aliens, collude, monopolize, manipulate or bribe and corrupt," the people must punish them is half right; it appears to me that you mean the "people" through the government. Wrong there. If I were to pollute, hire illegals, etc., I would lose customers, and it is they on whom I rely to keep me on the straight and narrow.

Keep this in mind: government regulation of private enterprise is the definition of fascism. Left to itself, without a government pilot, a business will thrive. It is precisely when the government gets involved with business that corruption, bribery, collusion, and monopoly occur.

Must Reading
This should be must reading for all HS students before they start college and it's mostly liberal doctrine.

Taft
You are the poster child for Whiners.

Wealthy leftists
Relatedly:
Why don't wealthy leftists (Soros, trial lawyers, celebrities) ever put their money where their mouths are, i.e, why don't they build factories here in the US and pay workers what they say workers deserve?
If the oil companies are guilty of excess profits, why are Soros, trial lawyers, and celebrities not guilty of excess profits?

Countryman
It doesn't matter to me if you technically don't approve of the word "recession", because if we don't yet have an actual recession, then we still at least have slower times right now. You may just call it an "economic slowdown", or you may use Greenberg's own words: "at times like this: when the loom of capitalism momentarily stutters in spinning its gold." It doesn't matter. Times are definitely slower. My point still stands.

As for the rest of your talk, you clearly advocate a lassez faire philoshy towards business. However,
ANY responsible authority on business could tell you that this philosophy towards business is completely unworkable. So you should know better than to advocate it when you get on a soapbox in a forum where people are trying to be serious.
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