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Wednesday, May 14, 2008
Jonah Goldberg :: Townhall.com Columnist
Why We Need Nukes and Gitmo
by Jonah Goldberg
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What do Yucca Mountain and Guantanamo Bay have in common?

Well, there's the obvious stuff. Both have Spanish names. Neither is a great spot for a family vacation. Each is controlled by the federal government.

Oh, and both are essential tools in wars a lot of people claim they want to win.

See, Yucca Mountain is where the government wants to keep incredibly dangerous substances - nuclear waste - until we figure out a better way to handle it.

Guantanamo Bay is where the government keeps incredibly dangerous people - jihadi enemy combatants - until we figure out a better way to handle them.

Victory in the war against climate change is inconceivable without nuclear power. Even if we turned America's breadbasket into ethanol-corn and solar farms, we wouldn't come close to reducing carbon emissions to 80 percent below 1990 levels by 2050 (Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama's avowed goal, compared with John McCain's target of 60 percent). Even if every American lived like a Prius-driving, vegan eco-feminist, we'd still fall far short. A recent MIT study found that even the homeless in America have twice the carbon footprint of the global average.

Clean, efficient, safe nuclear energy could force enormous savings in CO2 emissions, replacing coal- and gas-burning power plants on a scale solar never can. It also would boost America's "energy independence," a phrase environmentalists use to enlist support from Americans immune to climate fear-mongering.

Is it a silver bullet? Surely not. But expanding our nuclear energy infrastructure belongs near the top of the list of options for those who say we must do "everything in our power" to stop global warming. (I'm not one of those people, by the way.)

But generating nuclear power produces radioactive waste, so we really should find a safe place to put it. Yucca Mountain, in the Nevada desert, is just such a place. But anti-nuclear environmentalists have done everything they can to keep it from opening, largely because having a safe waste repository would make nuclear power more attractive.

Which brings me back to Guantanamo Bay, where the Yuccafication process is nearly complete.

Much like Yucca Mountain, lots of things are said about Gitmo that aren't true. Yucca is derided as unsafe, when its biggest shortcoming is that its designers can't promise that in 10,000 years a passerby who digs up waste won't be exposed to much more than a few chest X-rays' worth of radiation.

Gitmo, likewise, is routinely lumped in with the more legitimate outrage over mistreatment of detainees at Abu Ghraib and the more complicated controversies over renditions and CIA black sites. In reality, argues Andrew McCarthy in the National Review, Gitmo "is probably the most scrutinized prison in modern history." McCarthy, who as assistant U.S. attorney prosecuted the first World Trade Center bombers, is the author of an invaluable new book, "Willful Blindness: A Memoir of the Jihad." His assessment of Guantanamo continues: "It is also among the most humane, complete with halal meals, a bursting library, lush recreation facilities, communal prayer breaks and even white-gloved U.S. soldiers - Muslims only, please - delivering to each detainee a Koran (U.S. government-issued, even though the inmates believe it commands them to kill Americans)."

Nonetheless, Gitmo will soon be closed because President Bush and his likely successors all want it closed. OK, fine. But here's the thing: If you want to fight a war on terrorism, or any war, you need to put captured combatants someplace - someplace other than a conventional U.S. prison, where they're treated like any other criminals.

McCarthy prosecuted jihadi terrorists as criminals in the 1990s, but he rightly scorns the idea that we can treat terrorists like bank robbers. That Clinton-era strategy "can be considered a success only if one's chief preoccupation is due process. Viewed through the prism of national security, the effort was an abysmal failure." According to McCarthy, from the 1993 World Trade Center bombing to 9/11, only 29 mostly low-level operatives were caught and tried in the U.S., costing taxpayers millions and doing little to prevent the 9/11 attacks.

The halls of Congress echo with righteous denunciations of Gitmo's alleged horrors, but silence reigns supreme when it comes time to offer serious alternatives. Likewise, Yucca Mountain is ridiculed as a white elephant by the same politicians who want to pour billions into ethanol and solar power.

The Yuccafication of Gitmo, or the Gitmoizing of Yucca Mountain, are two versions of the same story. Political elites passionately declare their commitment to a desired end - victory in this war or that - but are feckless about providing means to those ends.

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bob: eat the poor
If nuclear energy is so efficient, why does the government need to subsidize it buy providing loans that never get paid back, and by paying for storage of nuclear waste.

If Nuclear was a economically viable an energy source as all that, we would have nuclear power plants popping up all over the place. Wall street would be jumping all over the opportunities to cash in on this evident power source.

But the truth is that efficiency is not simply a measure of how things run once they are set up, efficiency has to be measured by taking the entire process into account, form mining the, threw storing waste.

The difference between Conservatism and liberals is that

Conservatives socialize corporate risks, and privatize public risks.

Liberals privatize all risk.

And Socialists socialize public risks and privatize corporate risks.

That is why socialism is the best system. Socialism protects the infrastructure upon which a free market is predicated, but socializing the obligations of that infrastructures maintenance. That includes roads, human and intellectual capital. Mean wile Free markets operate utilizing that infrastructure, insuring that there is strong competition in commodities, whether labor, intellectual, goods and services.

Conservatism flips this on it's head. Conservative markets privatize the very infrastructure necessary for a free market to flourish, and the owners user their control over that infrastructure to coerce beneficial outcomes which are used to further tighten their grip on the infrastructure of the market place stifling free trade at every opportunity.

Of course then when these monopolies fall on their face from undermining productivity, conservatives bail them out in the name of Patriotism.

Standshisground
In a perfect world with a perfect judicial system, I whole heartedly agree with you.

I would love to have them have no more rights and benefits than any other inmate, get raped in the shower stalls, eat pork, and live in fear. It makes me swoon.

But knowing our PC world, they would be given special treatment because the eyes of the world would be watching, and far be it from our country not to show more humanity to our international killers to show what Big Good Guys we are.

As far as recruiting, it can be done and it was done. There was a Chicago gang banger who was in prison a few years ago, was recruited into Muslim extremism within the prison, and when he was released, attempted to explode a dirty bomb in the city. He was arrested again and back in jail.

It's rare, but it will happen. Most inmates are so anti-social and screwed up, that it would be easy to recruit them and manipulate them to cause severe damage and death upon anyone. Revenge upon those who locked you up sort of thing.

Mr. Goldberg - Not so ''incredible''
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Says Mr. Goldberg:

"...Yucca Mountain is where the government wants to keep incredibly dangerous substances - nuclear waste - until we figure out a better way to handle it."


Not quite so "incredibly dangerous," actually.

Petr Beckmann (author of *The Health Hazards of NOT Going Nuclear* [1976]) once invited a vociferous anti-nuke Luddite to a little public proof of deadliness.

Dr. Beckmann said that he'd swallow a teaspoonful of Plutonium-238 if said opponent would at the same moment swallow a teaspoonful of botulinum toxin.

The very loud anti-nuke clown got very quiet and slunk away.

Radioactive elements are actually easier to track and measure than any number of chemically toxic compounds. You can pretty accurately calculate the levels of ionizing radiation given off by various isotopes and thereby gauge the potential lethality of exposure involved in contact or proximity. And a lot of ionizing radiation is rather easy to shield.

That Plutonium-238 mentioned by Beckmann (long advertised by the Luddites as "the most dangerous substance on earth") requires only 2.5 mm of lead shielding to protect reliably against unwanted radiation.

That's "mm" as in *MILLIMETERS*, folks.

We put more lead than that around a syringe full of methylene diphosphonate (MDP) tagged with Technetium-99m for a bone scan.

And we inject that into the body of a patient with more worries about potential allergic reactions to the excipients than about radiation exposure.

The depths of the average American's stupidity about radiation - and nuclear power - could be the subject of a James Cameron deep-sea documentary.

--

Uber
Nuclear power is the most economically efficient form of energy production out there. It has the potential to serve us for thousands of years, outlasting petrol products and supplying far more energy than hydro, solar, or wind power.

WRH Bill
Let me tell you why this does not worry me as much as it does you: because I doubt the government would lock away nine hundred or a thousand random individuals simply because they don't like them. And the fact that some of these prisoners are released without charges after a few years tells me nothing. Perhaps the military could not convince anyone to testify. Or perhaps the relevent witnesses were killed, or the evidence destroyed. The fact remains that some of these prisoners ARE being released. And that tells me that the government is no willing to prosecute them without a solid case. Frankly, I have yet to read a single case where the military simply went into a market place, pointed to someone at random and said, "You come with us. We are locking you up for three years on suspicion of terrorism." What would be the point?

The Guantanamo precedent
Though a "right-winger" by most standards, I'm still one of these "fools/cowards/traitors/leftist wackos/choose your term of abuse" who is not comfortable with the idea of Guantanamo-- the idea that the United States runs a prison somewhere where people can be held indefinitely with no defined legal rights and no legal recourse. (And the idea that Guantanamo doesn't count because it's not technically U.S.territory seems to me like a despicable dodge.) Closing Guantanmo may cause problems, but I'll nonetheless be glad when it's closed.

Jonah Goldberg's column makes the point that Gitmo is actually a humane and pleasant place as prisons go, not a hellish concentration camp. This may well be so. But I would ask everyone here. does that mind that *you* wouldn't mind being sent there and kept there indefinitely with no trial, no defned sentence, no legal rights?

Ah, you say, but I don't have to worry about that, since I'm not a terrorist. Don't be so sure. Keep in mind that a lot of people on the political Left-- possibly including future President Barack Obama-- consider a lot of people on the Right to be complicit in "terrorism". Including gun-rights supporters (they blow up government buildings, form illegal "militias," etc.), abortion opponents (they encourage, aid and abet clinic bombings and doctor murders) and religious critics of homosexuality (they inspire and condone violent "gay-bashing"). That's the way the Left sees it, anyway. We on the Right had better be careful about accepting the precedent that government can do anything to anyone that it wants in the name of "fighting terrorism," for if the "wrong" people get in power, *we* may be the ones defined as terrorists.

.....
-----I had a discussion the other day with Town Hallers about the "invisible" benefits of taxes - which they couldn't understand.-----

Liberal idiots [redundancy] waste so much of our tax dollars with little to nothing to show for it that they're now trying to convince us there are "invisible benefits." I guess they think since they we're able to bamboozle many with their imaginary anthropogenic global warming bullsh*t why not try telling everyone to not believe their lying eyes; we're actually looking at the benefits of being criminally fleeced by the political whores in DC and locally it's just that the benefits are invisible.

The liberal mind is a wasteland.

Let me rephrase my first post since I left out a few words: what the hell do taxes have to do with building codes?

.....
-----I had a discussion the other day with Town Hallers about the "invisible" benefits of taxes - which they couldn't understand. Well, building regulations pertaining to earthquakes are one of those invisible benefits.------

Proud Dimwit, what the hell do "invisible" taxes- whatever that is- have to do with building codes?

why not
kill two birds with one stone and combine nuclear waste with gitmo detainees by having all transferred to yucca in boxes.

Perhaps a new fuel could be derived from Islamic fanatics.

How about shipping nuclear waste to Iran?

No problem!

nuclear energy
"I hate to break it to you, but there is a better solution to high level nuclear waste than Yucca Mountain. It's reprocessing of the waste.

When spent fuel rods are finally removed from a commercial reactor, about 60% of the fissionable Uranium is still in them. This can be reprocessed up to a concentration that will support fission again."

First sane thing I've heard. Has there EVER been a safe way to store the waste? I don't care about the person finding it 10,000 yrs from now. I am concerned about next year and the year after that...

There was a storage facility just across the river from my state and of course it started leaking.


Boutte
Ok, so we picked up people in Iraq at random, and locked them away for no reason, because Israel told us to. Is that about right? Do you ever listen to yourself?

Why have we not prosecuted these people on "trumped up charges"? Would Israel not want us to do that as well?

You are a one trick pony. Every post of yours revolves around zionists and neocons and Israel. Honestly you need to see a mental health professional.

Boutte
I wanted to let you know that today you actually set some type of record! It wasn't but a few words in your post before you were able to work the whole thing back to Israel and the neocon backing of the little Satan!

You have a talent that would make Hitler and Ahmadinejad proud! They'd like to make a putz like you their Boutte-boy!

You are pathetic.

Hey Taft
Nice argument. I only have a few questions:

1. When was the last normal war? Isn't the Iraq War or the WOT just one you don't agree with?

2. How do you know how long it will last? I'm pretty sure no one knows - unless of course the Dims win in Nov and tuck tail and run.

3.With whom exactly has our reputation been trashed? Liberals, democrats, the UN, CNN, France? BWWAHHH!

4. Do you think an innocent person has never been captured and tortured in war before? Or does it only happen in those abnormal wars?

5. Or does all of this only happen becasue GWB is really Attila Bushchimphitlerscum to you?

6. Last thing, for such nuanced and intelligent people (so you say) why do libdolts always think things are so simple and people should be infallible? Ill answer this one for you:

Because they're really morons swimming in a sea of superiority! You guys are pathetic.

We lose Again
Bush caves in again. Polar Bears added to endangered specie list even though as they are increasing in number.

Fraud wins, taxpayers and consumers lose. Can we get the tax payer added to the endangered specie list?

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D90LJ3G80&show_arti cle=1


Uber must have forgot
his thorazine this morning.

Shells
I might actually favor the closure of Gitmo and the detention of the detainees there right now and potentially in the future being done in U.S. prisons - under a few conditions. One, that the inmates in Guantanamo NOT be held in special protective custody in U.S. prisons but be part of the general prison population, with no more personal protection than the typical prison inmate gets. Secondly, that no special dietary or religious accomodations be made to these guys: they eat the same food as the rest of the inmates and get only the same accomodations for their religious practices as any other inmate would get. Third, that upon their arrival at a U.S. prison, the prison authorities clearly identify these new detainees to the rest of the prison population for who they are.

I'm not nearly as worried as you apparently are that the Gitmo detainees would recruit in U.S. prisons: very few speak our language. And under the circumstances I've laid out above, I frankly think most of them wouldn't live long enough in a U.S. prison to have the time to LEARN our language. They'd wind up like Jeffrey Dahmer.

Hey, actually, thinking about it, other than the fact that they'd get lawyers, if the conditions I spelled out above became the standard for the Gitmo detainees' detention in a U.S. prison as a general prison, all of a sudden, closing Gitmo looks pretty good to me! In fact, if the Gitmo inmates had to trade what they have now for being a typical prisoner in a U.S. prison, it wouldn't take long before THEY would be the ones leading the charge to re-open Gitmo!

Townhall Morally Bankrupt
Townhall Morally Bankrupt

The reasons I and many like me oppose Nuclear energy is that it is economically not a viable alternative. If you need Government grants to make it work, it's probably not a good idea.

But as usual when Liberals start solving problems Government sounds like a great solution.

Same goes for Terrorism. Terrorists didn't used to be right off our shores. Terrorists didn't used to have huge wads of cash. Not but when Liberals see a problem then they think of government. So now we have "child solders" in gitmo, and a world war training tomorrows terrorist using US forces as trainers and US money to capitalize it.

I think we are all tired of Townhalls Liberal Big government slant.

Lets give conserve socialism a chance.

Bob
I'm not opposed to wind/solar power TOO, just not alone. In fact, a huge solar power plant is scheduled to go up out here in the next few years.

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/ss/local/77596.php

BUT, have you noticed that liberals seemingly want no energy? Look at the track record:

Let's build nuclear power plants: NO, I saw the China Syndrome.
Let's build wind farms off Mass: NO, it blocks my view.
Let's drill for oil: NO, a caribou might die.
Let's use coal: NO, it's too dirty.
Let's use solar power: Okay, followed by WHOA, my electric bill is high!

What do they suggest, over than being anti-everything?





Bob
Limrick is a BWR and I am not as familiar with them as PWRs. The fuel elements probably weigh more in a BWR. I was licensed to operate a PWR for a number of years and worked in the Nuclear industry for over 30 years.

I am retired now and dedicated to wasting time on the internet. LOL

Vic
I think that SSTO technology will become far more economically feasable some day, but I can not say when that will be.

That said, I have no problem with burying the spent fuel rods in mountain caverns and the like, provided the installations are sturdy enough to last a few hundred years. I live within sight of the Limrick Nuclear Power Plant in Eastern Pa and have never worried about spent fuel rods.

Why the push for wind power?
Nuclear power does not scare me. I live within sight of a power plant and have never once feared a melt down or some other disaster. Today's power plants are safer than the average fuel refinery, and they certainly have a lower accident rate.

Bob
You're right, I missed the last part. However, it will never get that cheap unless we come up with anti-gravity devices.

The point is we have a viable solution here on earth and do not need science fiction solutions. The problem is the eco-idiots and the political idiots who cater to them.

A Song Dedicated To Proud Liberal
Apologies to John Fogerty

I left a my brain in the city
Speaking out of hand every night and day
And I never lost one minute of sleeping
Worrying bout what the truth might have been

The big lie keep on sounding
Proud Lib keep on pounding
And we’re crawling, crawling
crawling on our bellies

Voted a lot of scams in memphis
Pumped a lot of bull down in new orleans
But I never saw any good in the city
Till I hitched a ride on a hurricane blame

The big lie keep on sounding
Proud Lib keep on pounding
And we’re crawling, crawling
crawling on our bellies

If you vote for de’ Bama
Bet you gonna find some people who give
You dont have to worry cause you ganna get some money
People with the Dems are happy to give

Give away some Money
Cause it ain’t theirs to give
Took it away from the people that work
Big Lie keep on sounding
Proud Lib keep on pounding
And we’re crawlling, crawling
crawling on our bellies

Vic
Did you read my entire post? I stated quite clearly that FIRST we would have to get the cost of reaching orbit to more managable levels. It always frustrates me a little when someone reads PART of a post and then comments only on what they read.

Yes, I know it is currently too expensive to do what I suggest. I made that very clear in my post.

Shells
I would say that it isn't "we" that listens to them.

Joycey
"THe whole Carbon Emissions Scandal could have been created by the Green People or Big Business. THey want me to buy a less safe smaller car. They want me to buy dangerous light bulbs. They want to drill for more oil here. They want to open More Nuclear Facilities."

Carbon dioxide is not a scandal. It is a harmless gas emitted by plants, animals and conbustion of organic substances. No scientific evidence links it to changes in the climate. People who want to control your life and lower your standard of living (Socialists) are using it as an excuse to impose on our country the economic theories which have been proven totally wrong every time they have been tried for the last 100 years. We should have started a massive oil drilling and nuke power plant building campaign ten years ago but the egomaniacal fathead who was president at the time was a die-hard socialist himself. His successor was not much better. His successor will be a thousand times worse, whichever of these two fatheads wins. As for non-exportation of oil, the more the government intrudes itself in the free market the less sure supplies will be and the higher the price will be.
The bottom line is, when you vote for ANY Democrat, no matter how moderate they say they are when they are running, you are voting against increasing the supply of energy (and raising its cost) and you are voting for new taxes and regulations which will cripple our nation's economy.

Hey Proud Liberal
You stated, "I had a discussion the other day with Town Hallers about the "invisible" benefits of taxes - which they couldn't understand. Well, building regulations pertaining to earthquakes are one of those invisible benefits."

From the perspective of one who practices circular logic and thinking your idea SEEMS viable. Viable, that is until one examines the fundamental cause and effect dynamic of the proposition....GOVERNMENT CONTROL and TAXATION..

What good does it do to have all these so-called safe guards against KNOWN possibilities when in the process of building the better mousetrap and TAXING people to death in to do it - no one can afford to live in said buildings and or under such oppression? What good does it do "just like the bogus flu vaccines" when they are constructed for KNOWN virus (substitute events) and would no more stand against UNFORSEEN events than the man in the moon? People still die, they still get killed and the infrastructure is still damaged....and THEN not only are avaiable resources NOT available because they have already been consumed on a pipe dream....MORE revenue has to be generated to fund more legislation, more regulation and more EGO insanity....all in the name of fear and population control.

It think I will take my chances with mother nature....

Hey Taft
And after we "shut down" Gitmo? What do you propose? Turning all these "NICE" people out onto the streets of any town USA? Oh, I know put them on probation. Let them post bail and swear not to keep doing the things they did to get them put there in the first place?

Yeah, that works real well with Israel. They just recently turned out a bunch of people they were holding in prison and in less that six months MANY of them were caught and re-arrested or killed trying to commit more terrorist acts.

So when you advocate undoing something "like Gitmo" offer up a WORKABLE solution that doesn't put the rest of the world back in jeopardy or cost us MILLIONS upon MILLIONS in the long run..just so your feeeeeeeeeeeel good, do gooooooooooooooder ego can feeeeeeeeeeeeel satisified. NOT at my or my childrens expense...

Oh, I know lets turn them loose in YOUR neighborhood. Where was it you said you lived?

Energy Independence
Dem's plan for EI

No drilling, no nuclear, no mining of shale oil, no coal to oil conversion, no wind. . .

But we will bring EI to the USA.

Yeah. . . Right!

It is so typical
For OBSTRUCTIONISTS to offer up layer after layer of resistance and condemnation..yet at the same time be completely silent when asked what they believe that alternatives to deal with these situations actually are.

It is like dealing with perpetual five year olds who have simply made up their minds that REGARDLESS of the tact taken, the first thing they are going to do is pout, and obstruct until they get their way - whatever that is. Then comes the guessing game and the same people will obstruct the next solution and the next and the next all the while complaining about the perceived problems demanding answers and results..but never complying with anything.

Government are overthown this way. Families disrupted and when ever someone gets frustrated or simply doesn't "give in"..and magically bear the brunt of consequence for those same complainers..then they PLAY VICTIM...The mind game is as old as the hills...in fact as old as Marxism and the Communist Manifesto.

A million Questions and no answers.
I think Gitmo would be the perfect place to house the United Nations. THe whole Carbon Emissions Scandal could have been created by the Green People or Big Business. THey want me to buy a less safe smaller car. They want me to buy dangerous light bulbs. They want to drill for more oil here. They want to open More Nuclear Facilities. I want to know more. THe price of gas goes up and everyone is getting emotional. Please just give me the facts.
We cannot be dependent on foreign energy sources. This makes us vulnerable to enemies and crooked dealings. Are we going to force oil companies that drill for oil here to sell it to us or will they sell it to the highest bidder. Will the oil drilling companies be owned by Americans or our enemies who would then control our oil as well as their own? Will our government put so many restrictions on the companies that drilling here would not be profitable? Will the companies be neat and tidy or too powerful for the state in which they are located for the government to have any say in what happens, like Louisiana. Did the price go up because the US government is trying to get us to use less or is there someone like Soros messing around with our basic economy to win the election? There are too many things we aren't getting info about.

Send it to the Sun
Send it to the Sun. LOL, the average cost of payload lift to Geosynchronous Transfer Orbit runs between 9K and 12K dollars per pound. A spent fuel bundle weighs roughly 1200 pounds. Most reactors have 144 or more fuel bundles of which 1/3 are replaced every 18 months.

You can see that just lifting it to orbit would cost more than the entire plant and would NOT be cost effective. Much less the fact that launching spent fuel before it is 300 years old would involve a certain amount of danger.

Vic
Aye, it's the Eco-Idiots, it's always them. Why do we bow to them when their ideals clearly jeopardize our energy and our economy?

How Dare You!
Goldberg comparing our innocent AMERICAN nuclear waste to those Islamic cockroaches at Club Gitmo makes me sick. Equating the spent reactor fuel which has lit our homes and powered out TV sets so we could watch 'Project Runway' and 'Keith Olberman' and the other toxic waste which is poisoning our society to those Muslim savages is just unfair. But it leads us to a great solution to BOTH problems...lets bury the toxic Muslims WITH the toxic waste and maybe a few hundred eco-nazis while we're at it, under Yucca Mountain! Then we can build enough reactors to ensure an unbroken supply of electricity so we dont have to miss any episodes of 'Who Wants To Be A Supermodel'.

The sun...
When reaching orbit becomes more economically practical we can send all of our nuclear waste on a slow ride to big Sol. The sun is a giant radioactive furnace. We could drop nuclear waste into it for the next ten thousand years without impact. But first we have to get the cost of reaching orbit down to more managable levels.

Natural Nuclear Reactors
We should study natural nuclear reactors.

Did they contain waste?

JefferyP
You are FOS. The area beneath Yucca Mountain has been stable since before human beings existed. Even if fuel is reprocessed there will still be solid waste to dispose of. Currently the French encase it in glass and store it in monitored buildings.

Yucca Mountain would do just as well for the first 300 years. After that you could scatter it out anywhere with a sign that said please don't eat.

Of course you eco-nuts would eat it just to show how stupid you were.

Gitmo questions
I would be more receptive to the pro-Gitmo argument if so many of the prisoners had not been released, in many cases with no prison time anywhere. I am left feeling that either they were not terrorists in the first place, or they were wrongly released -- and neither of those conclusions is very encouraging. I also wonder why the milatary lawyers would risk their careers to challange so many aspects of the process if there were no basis for it.

Taft
As usual, you demonstrate your "libness".

You completely ignore detainees that have been released, only to kill again.

In typical liberal fashion, you close your eyes to Americans who have been killed by such people - but you mourn for "potentially" innocent detainees.

War is messy, Taft. You and your fellow travelers are well on record that you want our troops to adhere to "political correctness" - and have done damage to the cause.

Could you now just shut up about it?

If we don't contain them
we could kill them - and Presidents H. Clinton and Obama would both be very macho about killing the enemy! That's what they say, anyway. Remember Obama on Pakistan and bin Laden, and Clinton on our nuclear umbrella. But that's just emotion -what is their real strategy for winning the WOT - or have we forgotten about that one?

Humane bullets
Maybe we should get humane bullets too. You know, they just bounce off of you and go "boom, your dead". That way we don't hurt anyone, or hurt there feelings.

I would think we would want to make the, of recycled paper that can decompose as well. This will help us from littering all over the earth and leaving lead that some "Um-Foo-Foo" child may eat and make them retarded. Same thing with the shell casings.

- Give me a break.....

Tour de France
I was in France last week touring their nuclear facilities as a finishing chapter to my book Terrestrial Energy, due out in September. France stores all its "nuclear waste" beneath the floor of a large gymnasium-type room at La Hague. Even that material could be reprocessed except there isn't enough of a market yet for the various isotopes. At some point they'll probably retrieve that material and recycle it as well. The French are bemused at our efforts to "bury nuclear wastes" at Yucca Mountain. "You recycle household garbage," they said, "Why not recycle spent fuel as well? We're calling this material the `new uranium mines.' There's a tremendous amount of fuel potential left in there." I've posted an account of the visit at http://spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=13189. The book can be previewed at: terrestrialenergy.org.

dbz77
We do shoot terrorists unless they surrender or are, like many at Gitmo turned over by Muslims wanting a reward or revenge on a neighbor. It's lucky we only sent off one of Canada's citizens to be tortured instead of shot him, because he , like a lot of others, were totally innocent.

One More Reason
Why Gitmo should be closed and why the US has gotten a black eye for Bush's policy.

"Binyam says that in order to end the torture, he told the interrogators whatever he thought they wanted to hear."

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/21257

No Need for Gitmo
If we shoot terrorists to death upon capture, we would not need to put them anywhere other than six feet under!

Gitmo Yes, Yucca No
That nuclear waste we want to bury in Yucca is fuel. Other nations reprocess and recycle their nuclear waste. When it's all over and done, they get more energy and the volume of waste that must be stored is reduced by 90%

Yucca is a dumb idea. The project itself is in trouble and Yucca Mountain is not geologically stable. Yucca was chosen because Nevada is a politically unimportant state where 90% of the land is owned by the federal government.

Change the law so that we make good use of nuclear waste. Here's one area where we need to follow France's lead -- build more nuclear power plants and recycle, reprocess and reuse the waste material.

A Hundred Years
"Guantanamo Bay is where the government keeps incredibly dangerous people - jihadi enemy combatants - until we figure out a better way to handle them."

In a time of war, it's reasonable to keep captured enemy prisoners, without a trial, but.. this isn't a normal war, its a eternal war, and has no defining victory. There are many other reasons to shut down Gitmo, like getting back our reputation that Bush trashed.

Yucca Mountain
I hate to break it to you, but there is a better solution to high level nuclear waste than Yucca Mountain. It's reprocessing of the waste.

When spent fuel rods are finally removed from a commercial reactor, about 60% of the fissionable Uranium is still in them. This can be reprocessed up to a concentration that will support fission again.

BUT nobody wants to build such facility because of the BANANA mentality (Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anything). Chem-Nuclear had a facility ready to run, but Carter shut it down, and they abandoned it.

Government and earthquakes
A prominent scientist at the University of Colorado has said that there will be an earthquake in China some day which hits a major city and kills 1 million people, because the buildings are built by people who don't know what they are doing.

California, however, would not suffer the same fate with the same size earthquake, he says, because the California governmental regulations are closely adhered to by builders.

I had a discussion the other day with Town Hallers about the "invisible" benefits of taxes - which they couldn't understand. Well, building regulations pertaining to earthquakes are one of those invisible benefits.

I challenge free market, privatization conservatives to explain how the free market could have done as well or better in assuring the safety of Californians in the event of a major earthquake.

This should really be good.

Shells
As I stated earlier, there is no scientific argument with Yucca. The Dems and RINOs are just bowing to the eco-idiots who oppose it soly for the purpose of shutting down the existing plants.

So Trying to argue logic with the idiots is useless. What we need is a balanced civil court system so that the first time the eco-idiots lost one of their delaying cases instead of costing the utilities money and increasing the cost of the project, it would bankrupt the eco-idiots both in their “clubs” and personally.

Gitmo and Nuclear Power
One problem closing down Gitmo, besides all that has been said, is if they are populated back into our jails in the US, they will be recruiting. The way our system works, most convicts will be released and be able to enact upon the general public the wishes and training from the Ex-Gitmo's.

Also, they will have US legal representation.

As far as nuclear power goes, the shunning and the bad press it had for years is an absolute shame because really, it would solve a lot of issues.

Our technology would make it by far more safe, it would be cheap, it would create jobs, and we wouldn't be thinking of harvesting food for fuel which will kill our environment anyway.

The facility is the Yucca Mountains is tight, meaning, it can efficiently do itts job. The barrels where the waste is stored has been tested in many doomsday experiments, and they never once have been penetrated.

Yes we can use solar power
along with that ethnic joke about sending a spaceship to the sun. To keep from burning it up we'll send it at night.

Ubncle Max, evidently you missed the bottom line on solar power. I personally do not want my electric bill to triple or quadruple for BS reasons relating to phony science.

Amazing Boutte
How you can find a trail from nuclear power and Gitmo and trace it to Israel...

Do you often play a bastardize version of Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon and switch it to Six Degrees of Israel?

my 2 cents
Solar power is the ONLY reasonable long-term answer. If we can harnesss the power of the atom we can certainly figure out a way to use solar power which is not really due to run out for about 50 million years or so.

I've said it before
And I'll keep on saying it until everyone else figures it out.

"Progressives" do not want to "win" the war against radical Islam, and "eco-activists" don't want us to be "energy independent". Rather, both are determined to destroy our civilization (which both resent because the rest of us keep not giving them absolute power over us) and see their present and future plans as the best way to do it. The result is two complementary mental aberrations on their part;

1. The Nomad Syndrome; The belief that the reason that our society is not "perfect" by their standards is that the rest of us are willfully refusing to acknowledge their superiority, and obey them. Hence, our society must be destroyed to allow them to build a new, "perfect" one on its ruins- with them in absolute control. (Named for the alien probe in the original series "Star Trek" episode, "The Changeling".)

2. The Manson Syndrome; A belief that the Islamists can be "co-opted" to help their cause, but that after they win, they will be too stupid to run the world- and will thus allow the "enlightened elites'" here to rule over them- and whatever number of the rest of us are permitted to survive as slaves. (Nanmed for Charles Manson, who had a similarly irrational worldview, as described in "Helter Skelter" by Vincent Bugliosi.)

Yes, these are by definition irrational beliefs. But so are astrology, alien abduction, feng shui, and the theory of Atlantis- and you'd be amazed how many "progressives" and "deep ecologists" believe in those, too.

The fact that an idea or "theory" is stupid has never stopped some people from believing in it, and trying to make it a reality- if they thought there was a payoff for them in the end.

clear ether

eon

Casey
That was supposed to be sarcasm for wrightsrong52 but the more I think about it the better it really seems. If this was WWII they would already have been shot. (The detainees)

Can You Be More Specific Vic ?
Are you talking Gitmo Detainees ? or Democrats and RINOS ? Actually, I think there should be a bounty on both. If the rest of the world feared America and Respected us like they did after WWII, we would not have the problems in the world that we do now. It was the Wimpy liberals that have been in power since WWII that have sullied our image in the world and lowered our defenses to that of a less than first rate power. We have the best Military men and women in the world trying to defend us, we just don't have enough of them ! We should pay them better, take care of them when they are injured, whatever it takes without hesitation or bureaucratic BS, and We should not be hand-cuffing them with Marqui de Queensbury rules of etiquette, while they are being blown-up and shot at by heathens who strap bombs to women and children. I suggest all you liberals migrate to France or How about Iran, and take 2 illegals with you when you go.

Goldberg has it half right:
We need more nuclear power.

No we don't need Gitmo
We should line all of them against a wall and shoot them.

Needs
need nukes.
don't need Gitmo
don't need Goldbergs

pt 2
The NAS said that there was no reason to limit the protection to that short a period. Both of these were from anti-nuke zealots. First, it is almost impossible to get any scientist to guarantee anything for 10,000 years. That is the length of time that most archeologists say humans have lived in North America. After finally getting that for the EPA the anti-nuke zealots went to the court and got it blocked because the EPA did not follow the recommendation of the NAS. I have not found what exactly they want, probably millions of years.

Which brings up another objection to what Jonah said. This stuff does not remain “dangerous” for millions of years. That is a common myth promulgated by the eco-idiots. After approximately 300 years spent nuclear fuel is less radioactive than the original Uranium that was mined to make it. Sure, it’s something that if you ate it, it would slowly kill you but you can say the same thing for raw Uranium ore.

The utilities sued the government over Yucca Mountain and won but it was a phyrric victory. That are still paying for it and still not getting use of it.

What needs to happen now is for congress to act to change the law to take the standard out of the hands of the NAS. They are more likely to pass a law making me the ruler of the universe. IN the meantime spent fuel is building up at the sites. Eventually if other measures are not taken plants will have to shutdown. This is part of the anti-nuke idiots crowd strategy. (Along with trying to get laws to make it more expensive to operate).

Yucca Mountain Insanity
Sorry Jonah; while I am all for Nuclear Power and all for maintaining Gitmo as long as we need info from the detainees this column makes it sound like you have bought into the AGW fraud. We do not need nuclear power because of global warming. We need it because the eco-idiots are making coal more and more expensive so that their favored cr*p (solar and wind) will become competitive. The problem with that is that the general public will get stiffed with the bill. Of course the “poor” will not be able to pay so the utilities will get another hit from the commies in congress to provide subsidized rates for the “poor”. That means the rest of the public will get hit for an even higher rate.

Not many people know the story of Yucca Mountain and the mess that is going on there. The Site at Yucca Mountain wsa and is being paid for by the Nuclear Utilities (no all you Luddites it is not a government subsidy). As the State of Nevada fell more and more under Commiecrat control the anti-nuke crown gained more and more in their efforts to stop the project. The Commiecrats have always tried to help the anti-nuke idiots since the days of Jimmy peanut. It has even been in the commiecrat platform since then so when you hear O’Vomit talking about not being against nukes he is lying.

In any case the use of Yucca Mountain has been blocked in congress at first by the Dems, then by the Dems and RINOs in coalition, and now back to the Dems and the courts. You see the eco-idiots went court shopping and found a judge who would substitute political partisanship for science. Giving credit to the court, congress had already made a mess of the law by delegating the rule writing to the EPA and the National Academy of Science (a liberal organization). The EPA designated that the Yucca Site must be guaranteed to protect the public for 10,000 years.

Cont..

I Love Gitmo!
I loved Gitmo and Abu Ghraib, some Americans, I won't name names (liberals) who believe that there is a "humane" way to fight a war an win it. I disagree with this notion one hundred percent, especially this medieval enemy we're fighting.
When one of our enemy's prime motivation is virgin pu**y in the afterlife, there is no better way than to show the picture of a female soldier leading said a**hole around like a puppy, I think it goes a long way in winning those precious hearts and minds that we so want to covet, the flushing of the Koran in the toilet that was classic. I was in heaven when Minnesota's Muslim Congressman got sworn in on the Koran, I was like didn't we just flushed that, how did he get it? you mean to tell me he went into the sewer, no way, Yeah way.
What can I say I'm sick like that and we're at war folks, and Koran flushing is effective and I recommend getting bigger toilets for Gitmo. I'm not a plummer, but that ancient text could be a problem. Actually we didn't flush enough.
I'm tired of our limited engagement rules and our pandering to those Americans who want us to fight a "humane" war and when our boys get killed because of it, they want us to tuck our tales and run, NO!. It is a frikking war folks and people get hurt and killed in it, this has been going on since we as a species have been fighting them, We, American's didn't invent war but we will successfully finish this one.




P.S. Hey Uncle Sam could ya please resign me, I'll sign an age waiver, I'll even lose the belly.

Hook
I fear for the West as a whole.

Nuclear Power
Several Countries that we considered as backward, a few years ago, have pulled way ahead of us in the use of nuclear power.

If we do not vastly increase our use of Nuclear power (and, our use of our own oil reserves... ANWR, 'Left Coast', Gulf. Florida, East coast, possibly Western Shale...) then we should begin to adopt the life-styles of Equatorial Africa.

Yes, this is starvation, disease, drinking out of mud puddles... I will be OK, though, I like eating Groundhogs, rats, snails, worms, Dandelions, weeds...
Lots of things are edible, to paraphrase Euell Gibbons.

hook
Ditto, me too!

God save us from the idiot politicians.

gitmo & yucca mountain
If the demacrats win in nov. I fear for my country.
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