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Wednesday, April 23, 2008
Jonah Goldberg :: Townhall.com Columnist
How Neo Are The Neocons?
by Jonah Goldberg
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In the play "Embedded," Tim Robbins' 2003 satire about the Iraq invasion, a thinly veiled Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz shout with Nazi-like gusto, "Hail, Leo Strauss!" and get sexually aroused at the prospect of international conquest. During the post-9/11 age of neo-phobia, when an irrational fear of anything that might be called "neoconservative" gripped the nation, such critiques passed as intelligently nuanced.

Neocons have been attacked as secret Trotskyites, open imperialists and perfidious double agents for Israel. Some think the neocons are something like Jesuits (or perhaps Jewsuits) in the service of their dark anti-pope Strauss, a long-dead, German-Jewish political philosopher who emigrated to the U.S. to escape Hitler.

In a hopeful sign that it's once again safe to discuss the topic sanely, Robert Kagan of the Carnegie Endowment offers a renewed defense of neoconservative foreign policy in the latest issue of World Affairs Journal.

"The first thing that could be said about this neoconservative worldview is that there is nothing very conservative about it," Kagan writes. "But a more important question is, how Œneo' is it?" His answer: not very.

From our earliest days, Americans have supported the promotion of democracy around the world, often by force and without undue heed to international institutions. William Henry Seward, a founder of the Republican Party and Lincoln's secretary of state, argued that it was America's mission to lead the way "to the universal restoration of power to the governed." A generation earlier, statesman Henry Clay championed the idea that America had the "duty to share with the rest of mankind this most precious gift" of liberty. Both world wars, Korea and Vietnam would be inconceivable without accounting for America's dedication to the promotion and defense of democracy.

Kagan traces such sentiments to the dawn of the republic. The founders, he writes, saw the U.S. as a "Hercules in a cradle' ... because its beliefs, which liberated human potential and made possible a transcendent greatness, would capture the imagination and the following of all humanity."

Even amid the 15-month riot of Bush-bashing that has been the Democratic Party's fratricidal primary, Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama conceded the core neoconservative principle of the Bush doctrine. "There's absolutely a connection between a democratic regime and heightened security for the United States," Clinton said, responding to events in Pakistan. Obama would not only unilaterally attack al-Qaida in Pakistan without Pakistan's permission if necessary, but he also argues that anti-Americanism in the Middle East is a direct consequence of the lack of democracy.

Obviously, supporting the spread of democracy hardly requires you to support the Iraq war. But it works the other way around as well. Support for the Iraq war doesn't automatically make you a neoconservative. Douglas J. Feith, a former undersecretary of defense after 9/11, argues in his new memoir, "War and Decision," that democratization didn't rank very high among the Bush administration's early priorities. Moreover, the administration's mistakes in Iraq - perhaps including the war itself - have less relationship to ideology than many think. "It is possible," as Kagan notes, "to be prudent or imprudent, capable or clumsy, wise or foolish, hurried or cautious in pursuit of any doctrine." (Just ask newly hired Hamas spokesman Jimmy Carter.)

America's forcible promotion of democracy has been both successful (Germany, Japan) and unsuccessful (Vietnam). Where Iraq will fall in the win-loss columns is unknowable right now. But the idea that the "Iraq project" is some bizarre and otherworldly enterprise will seem laughable to historians a century from now, even if it is viewed as a disaster.

I largely agree with Kagan on all of these points. But I have a problem, too. Kagan embraces and celebrates the definition of neoconservatism as a doctrine of democracy promotion abroad, moralism in foreign policy and unilateralism toward these ends when necessary. But the original neoconservatism of the late '60s and early '70s wasn't about any of these things.

It was about domestic affairs, primarily the dangers of overreach. Less an ideology than a branch of skepticism about the ability of government to achieve anything like utopian goals, neoconservatism was the school for former liberals who'd been "mugged by reality," in Irving Kristol's words.

Kagan and Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol (son of Irving) actually rejected the label "neoconservative" when describing their ideal foreign policy in a now-famous 1994 Foreign Affairs essay, "Toward a Neo-Reaganite Foreign Policy." Yet, since then, their neo-Reaganism has simply been called "neoconservatism."

Hence the irony: The best cure for today's neoconservatism is a big dose of the neoconservatism of old.

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foreign policy: case study
"Kagan embraces and celebrates the definition of neoconservatism as a doctrine of democracy promotion abroad, moralism in foreign policy and unilateralism toward these ends when necessary. But the original neoconservatism of the late '60s and early '70s wasn't about any of these things.

It was about domestic affairs, primarily the dangers of overreach. Less an ideology than a branch of skepticism about the ability of government to achieve anything like utopian goals"

the same utopianism should be exercised regarding foreign policy. if one assumes that government can not successfully manage the lives of its citizens, why on earth is it so difficult to even ponder the possibility that our government could perhaps not manage the whole world for "safety". the world is too complex for that and simplistic solutions like promoting democracy will be exactly as successful as those of planned economy. like soviet economists trying to set prices and production quotas for millions of products, we are trying to manage internal affairs of other nations by devoting a few semi-intelligent bureaucrats to each.

on a only slightly different note, literally millions of people would appreciate if you, mr goldberg, applied your open and critical mind to examination of our foreign policy towards serbia and kosovo.

here is a discussion on fcr that i recently stumbled upon:

http://www.cfr.org/publication/15098/should_the_united_stat es_recognize_kosovo.html?breadcrumb=%2Fregion%2F353%2Fkosov o

gk
don't bother - it's not worth the time.

I had a hard time . . .
. . . getting thru this (for a couple reasons;
But, I still plan to read Liberal Fascism one of these days.

not going to tell you
I was providing no opinion in that comment, just providing a source for the quote to correct you.

I laregely agree with your statements in this last post.

Doesn't change the fact that Obama serves the same neocon masters. But, I am not worried about Obama. He is not going to be President.

Hillary has been chosen.

vindex and jpk
I'm sorry if I'm missing your point(s) but I don't get how that has anything to do with the fact that Goldbug is just twisting history again. His assertion that neocons are acceptable just because there is some kind of weak historical precedent (maybe the 3rd Reich) makes no sense to me. Like many neocon apologies, this assertion, has been taken completely out of context.

Do either of you think that if the US has "actionable" intelligence,. we should wait for Pakistan's permission to launch a surgical attack? To take the surgical analogy a bit further, our surgical work in Iraq has been nothing short of flagrant malpractice.

Remember, Pakistan - hello?

Right Smithington
I don't understand how you can get a job at the national review if you don't know the difference between Germany and Japan on the one hand, and Iraq on the other.

Meiji Restoration
Pardon me, the Meiji Restoration accurred in Japan in the 1860s, not the 1960s.

Goldberg -- a neocon moron
"America's forcible promotion of democracy has been both successful (Germany, Japan) and unsuccessful (Vietnam). Where Iraq will fall in the win-loss columns is unknowable right now. "

Truly mind numbing to read this from a guy who works at a magazine founded by William F. Buckley Jr.

Spreading constitutional democracy is not the same thing as spreading elections as people other then Goldberg and his neocon ilk now realize.

The totalitarian regimes that ruled Japan and Germany existed for about 10 to 15 years.

Before that, both countries had long histories of Constitutional orders. The Meiji Restoration occurred in Japan in the 1960s.

The Japanese then introduced the Kabo reforms into Korea in the 1890s.

Germany had an even longer period of development in constitutional orders.

I doubt Goldberg and the rest of the neocon ilk even know what the Meiji Restoration was -- and that it made Japan and Korea unique among Asian countries.

Introducing elections into westernized nations with long histories of private property rights makes sense. Holding elections in countries with no development in private property rights and independent judiciaries does not.

Goldberg and neocons never bothered to address what constitutional democracy is, how it forms, and over what time frame.

Hence, this farce we are in, and this incredibly pathetic article.

NotGoingToTellYou
JPK is right, Obama did make this statement. Obama is no less a tool than the rest.

http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN0132206420 070801

NotGoingToTellYou
"Goldberg writes: "Obama would not only unilaterally attack al-Qaida in Pakistan without Pakistan's permission if necessary, but he also argues that anti-Americanism in the Middle East is a direct consequence of the lack of democracy.""

Obama made this famous assertion back last autumn when Bhutto was murdered.

Taft
Power is the real wealth, Taft. Money is worthless to those you describe as "super rich." It is US that have been taught to worship money, the carrot dangling in front of us.

When an economy collapses, who will be 'rich?' The person holding a million dollars worth lighting a campfire for a night, or the person with food, land, water, and shelter?

All real value in money was destroyed decades ago.

SemperVigilans
We have never embarked on a war, where the elite are not asked to sacrifice a thing. We also, have not ever, to my knowledge instituted torture as a viable strategy. Also, we have never witnessed a vice president that could careless about the will of the American public and who actually blows the covers of our own CIA agents. Make no mistake, the noecons must be squashed like a pustule of rotten matter. The whole rational of neoconism is pulling the leg over on the American public for the good of the super rich, amoral citizens.

Neocon 101



"Yes, but who precisely are "they"? As so often in the neocon discourse, Bernard Lewis is trotted out to lend some intellectual respectability. Podhoretz cites Lewis's analysis of Nazi as well as Stalinist influences on the growth of the Baath Party in the 1940s. These influences were real enough. But the Baath Party, founded by two socialists, one of whom was from a Christian family, was not Islamist. It was nationalist, socialist, with large doses of fascism and Stalinism. Saddam Hussein, more a gangster than an ideologue, was certainly not an Islamist. Up to a million men died in his nationalist war, backed by the US, against the Islamist regime in Iran. And Iran's Islamist revolution was unleashed against the Shah's secular dictatorship, which was backed by the US too.

Podhoretz's rhetoric of war can be quite zany. He describes the dispute between opponents of Bush's war and its defenders as "no less bloody than the one being fought by our troops in the Middle East," indeed as "nothing less than a kind of civil war."

Just so you know, Jonah
People who don't share the majority opinion expressed here have read this column today, and appreciated the points you make. JPK, I applaud your determination, even if I wouldn't agree with all your points (or Jonah's).

Robert Kagan has a valid point, though: whatever America's avowals about avoiding European-style state relations and entanglements, we have nevertheless engaged with the world on various levels from the earliest days of the Republic.

It is a historical fact that we did, indeed, avoid European-style alliances for a very long time -- and could even be said to continue avoiding them today, since we have never entered one as a junior partner. But we expanded our territory by treating with European nations -- and sometimes by fighting with them and their colonial forces. We have used an activist Navy to not only protect our trade routes, but sometimes to open them up, against the wishes of European colonial powers and regional actors. We have been deeply engaged with the world from the first decade of the 19th century, constrained mainly by the technology of expeditionary operations, and by transient political sentiments -- not by a coherent tradition of uniquely Constitutional restraint on foreign activity.

It's a legitimate question how best to respond to transnational terrorism, and whether regime-changing other nations is the right approach. But it's ridiculous to look at America's history and suggest that fang-toothed "neocons" have dragged us, through an evil conspiracy, in some horrific direction for which there is no philosophical or traditional basis in our own history. Taking actions overseas that are unilateral, peremptory, AND preemptive are all things we've done before.

Huh?
Goldberg writes: "Obama would not only unilaterally attack al-Qaida in Pakistan without Pakistan's permission if necessary, but he also argues that anti-Americanism in the Middle East is a direct consequence of the lack of democracy."

Fist, there is no quote to back this up. Second, Bush unilaterally attacked Iraq - for no reason at all - other than those that he cobbled together or fabricated.

Is Goldburg arguing that it's ok for neocons to ruin our international reputation because it neocon behavior is not "new".

More revisionist bullsh#t from GoldBORE!

Dick Cheyne
Here is the essence of Neoconism,

"Principle is OK up to a certain point, but principle doesn't do any good if you lose." Vice President of the United States of America-

They don't live in our world. There's is a gated community, living in mansions and flying private jets. War is hell said but not for a neocon who sits back in cozy chair and looks on the carnage.

Former
The globalists and power in this country do not want the return of Christ. They want money.

They will get their "new world order", but it is not going to turn out as they wish. It will be short-lived...like a little over 7 yrs.

Anne
I believe you are correct that all of these "crisis" are being fabricated in order to achieve a one world government. Although it seems to me that this is happening because some people WANT armagedon and "the return of Christ" to occur. They think that if they can cause the events the bible claims will bring armagedon then it will magically happen.

Zionists
Adopted the jewish religion for political purposes. They are NOT biblical jews. They are NOT semites. These people enslaved the semites and shepardic jews when they created Israel and to this day treat them as second class citizens. Look up ghettos in Israel.

So, Anna, the state of Israel as it exists is not the Israel of the bible. It doesn't have alot to do with this topic, but look up the terms I gave above and seek out some history as told by ethnic jews.

Ashkenazis will usually refer to them as "self-hating jews." When you see that name, you have found yourself a jew of the bible.

That is the last I am going to delve into this topic here. There is a connection to this topic, but people will just use it to change the discussion away from the very real problem of communists hijacking our country.

JPK
And your ridiculous assertion that people do not want conservative government is very telling about what side you are on.

People voted for Bush I because of Reagan. People voted for Clinton because of Bush I.

Give people real conservative government and they will vote for it.

If people no longer vote "conservative" it is because you pinks have redefined it and bastardized it.

Don't worry. Your end will come.

The reason that the majority of the founders are jewish is because they are zionists. Zionism is not a religion or a race, but a political movement spawned from the bolsheviks to spread communism all throughout europe.

Ashkenazis, zionists, and bolsheviks. Look it all up in a history book folks. This is what they have planned for America. These people are neither ethnic or religious jews. It has NOTHING to do with race or religion. In fact these people are the most anti-semite of all.

JPK
Are you suggesting that the idea of a neocon started in 2003?

The "neocons" were the target of un-american activities investigations all throughout the early 20th century. These "founders" were (and are) communists. They admit it, JPK. They are communists.

The rest of your ridiculous attempt to re-define neoconservativism as anything but international communism is amusing.

They are communists, JPK. They have admitted it. Are you calling them liars?

McCain
Quote from McCain on drilling.

"It’s a capitalist process that encourages green technologies. If we’re wrong, all we’ve done is adopt green technologies, in an effort to give our kids a greener planet."

People who live on beans and tortilla's rioting because the can't afford tortilla's?

Food riots currently in several places. Food costs rising fastest in 17 yrs.

It's pretty obvious. We are also running out of water. Anyone thing this policy will be changed any time soon?

the plan
“Before such a merger can be consummated, and the US becomes just another province in a New World Order, there must at least be the semblance of parity among the senior partners in the deal. How does one make the nations of the world more nearly equal? The insiders determined that a two-prong approach was needed; use American money and know-how to build up your competitors (Wall street financed Russia, now China), while at the same time use every devious strategy you can devise to weaken and impoverish this country. (The plan IS to de-industrialize the US) The goal is not to bankrupt the US...Rather, it is to reduce our productive might, and therefore our standard of living, to the meager subsistence level of the socialized nations of the world.

Notice that the plan is not to bring the standard of living in less developed countries up to our level (too hard to control the people!), but to bring ours down to meet theirs coming up.

You may be assured, however, that the Rockefellers and their allies are not talking about reducing their OWN quality of life. It is your standard of living which must be sacrificed on the altar of the New world Order. Gary Allen
(written in the 70's!!)

“It is folly to underestimate the contempt that the Rockefeller Republicans have for the middle class, regarding it as a roadblock to their ability to make the money they should be able to make.

I believe that if the R. Republicans had their way, there would be a massive slave labor class that people would be born into, could not work their way out of, and die in. What better way to do this than by allowing unlimited numbers of illegal aliens to come and stay.”


A worldwide slave labor class with the ultra rich on top.



Oil
Does anyone believe if they wanted to get our oil out of the ground they would have?

Bush didn't mind ignoring 3/4 of the country screaming we didn't want amnesty. He wouldn't have endured 15 tree huggers screaming?

Plentiful energy and food doesn't help their cause. And apparently they are down with arming our enemies. We would put Akminanutjob and Chavez out of business in a hurry if we reduced out consumption by even a small percent. Instead we are funding the war against ourselves and transferring our wealth to other countries. (Nafta and Cafta were good for us???)

“But if more nations achieved independence in food production, much of the impetus for world gov would disappear faster than a freeloader when the check arrives. In order for the Rockefellers to achieve their New word Order, first they must create famines and the fear of further suffering. All that is required to create a famine is to put all agriculture under control of gov. bureaucracy, then wait awhile. The bigger the bureaucracy, the shorter the wait, and international bureaucracy is the 'ne plus ultra' in producing red tape instead of wheat."

Ditto for everything else the gov controls

vindex
Dude! Great posts, and I appreciate the link.

I just finished reading a book you should take a look at..."The Forgotten Man".

It is by a CFR member. I was interested to see her take on the great depression. Couldn't say enough good things about Stalin's Russia. In her opinion all the smart people were looking to Russia for new ideas.

A lot of communists around FDR. In fact I have read Russia honors FDR as our best president. What is up with "intellectuals". I was shocked to read about a lot of what FDR was up to. His buddies trying to start collectives (that failed of course). Never took with the people.

Satan has been at work trying to kill this country for a long time. Wilson. FDR. FEd in 1913. CFR in the 20's.

The church is very weak now and I expect they will succeed shortly. I expect economic collapse. Other manufactured crisises, i.e. food shortages. (Kissinger wrote in the 70's they could get control by controlling energy and food)

I am expecting the doo doo to hit the fan in a big way in the near future.

Boutte
What is your problem with Jews? This keeps coming out in your posts and it is crazy.

The banking/multinational co own this country and control both parties. Their front organization is CFR. It is not controlled by Jews. There are Jews involved but they are not in control! Is Bill Gates a Jew? Is Rockefeller a Jew?

I am a Christian and I am not drinking the neocon koolaid. Israel is not going to go away. The bible predicted their nation would come again. No one is going to be able to destroy it. It is going to stand through the Tribulation until Christ returns and they will recognize and receive their Messiah (those who are still alive).

In fact when Israel became a nation it was the super sign of the times. The timer was set.

Bible predicts there will be one world gov and that will set the stage for the arrival of the anti-christ. I am expecting economic collapse and when the US goes down we will take the world with us.

It is communistic. But it isn't about race. It is about MONEY. The money powers of the world want to be able to rape and pillage the world. They are the merchants of Rev 18.

God is on the throne and not one word will pass away.

It is very close.

smug
I'm late on this one - "smug like Hugh Hewitt and Keith (Der Führer)Olbermann (listen carefully and imagine a German accent)". Not even the same category.

Jonah your talents are always appreciated.

Another
http://www.nationalcenter.org/TSR111005.html


Vindex
You are right about the two parties, that is why we need an independent President who will stand up for the people first.

That is the point of my campaign. Waiting to take over the media, or as others have suggested, run candidates for congress. will take forever.

We need action now in this election! Start right at the top and deny the elites what they most desire, the Presidency. From there, if the people will heed the bully pulpit, I for one will tell them exactly what is going on, and then they can choose to move their own representatives to solve the problems and address the issues, or the whole thing goes down the tubes. In other words, if the folks won't act, welcome to the NWO socialist utopia.

skep41 writes:
"Since you beaded granola eaters are probably against any form of domestic energy production that makes any sense we're in for a long night."

I can't speak for anyone else, but for me: nope. I think we should be drilling all over the U.S. wherever there is oil instead of spending trillions of dollars that we do not have "protecting" an *oil cartel.*

It is your pink brethren that oppose drilling in the U.S. and using laws to exterminate competition in the American Oil industry.

There is no way to talk around it. Your pink brethren are the problem. The republicans have had a majority in senate and congress for 12 years now, and the restrictions have gotten worse. And in the "divided" house just enough of your pink brethren vote with the dems to continue it.

Skep41
The difference is that people can tell you are a liberal on every issue except the war from the content of your posts.

All you have is that YOU call us one. Sure, your pink brothers will agree with you, but they already do. So no gain for you.

Don't come to a gun battle with a knife, next time.

Skep41
We're all just 'liberals' right, Skep?

I think you must've been "drinking the kool-aid" again.

skep41
And he resorts to insults and buzzwords...

yawn...

You guys aren't even putting up a fair fight.

"The oil that drives your cars will become much more expensive."

The oil that drives my car HAS become much more expensive since your pink brethren have been doing their thing in the ME.

"Keep repeating it and one day it will be true."

Did Geobbels or Bush say that? I think it was both.

By The Way
Do any of you hippies at Townhall's apparent Peace-A-Thon drive an automobile? The US is protecting its strategic and economic interests in the Middle East. If we stop doing that our country will decline economically and the world will become a chaotic place in which trade and travel are much more difficult. The oil that drives your cars will become much more expensive. Since you beaded granola eaters are probably against any form of domestic energy production that makes any sense we're in for a long night.

Vindex
You and Moonbat were blubbering about not getting a detailed answer. I gave you one and got incoherent babble in return.
NAFTA and CAFTA are certainly free trade and have benefited this country greatly.

You People Need to Stop Hyperventilating
First of all, the term Neocon was not always a perjoritive term. The Leftists made it so as I described in my 8:40 post. It was a Canadian journalist, who thought she connected the dots so to speak, when she dug into Wolfowitz's CV. The entire narrative she painted was preposterous to say the least (ie It was all a Zionist conspiracy. So many Jews...what else could they've been up to). The article she wrote caught on like wild fire. The Guardian, Times, Washington Post, Reuters, and all the DC pundit class was caught up in a lather back in 2003. For about 2 weeks, evidence of a Strauss-Bloom-Wolfowitz-Perl-Fieth (read Zionist treachery) abounded.

So, what we have is the Left and the Paleocons united in the belief that the Neocons moved in and set up shop. I'm sure many people like Wolfowitz, Kagan, and Max Boot were surprised as any that were part of any conspiracy. Total confusion reigns supreme -especially amongst those in the GOP. Conservatives don't seem to understand that the Regean Presidency was a brief coda sandwiched between liberal dominance. The majority of our nation is Center to Center-Left. The RNC has always been Center-Left. There is no conspiracy. The fact of the matter is, Americans do not wish for conservative policies at the Federal Level; just the same they do not want Liberal interference coming from the Feds (Liberal overreach usually results in temporary GOP victories). George Will has made a career reminding people of this fact.

The is no turning back back to the days of Calvin Coolidge (too bad, he was one of the 20th Century's best Presidents) or Ronald Reagan. Conservative\Libertarian intellectuals ( which many neo-conservatives consider themselves) need to re-present thier arguments. If they don't, then events will. The case for a limited goverment is not the same for a limited economy (that's socialism).


When the people
get too restless, they throw us new, fresh leaders of the opposing party.

A democrat will win in the fall, last for eight years, and then a democrat will take office. The only way this cycle will break is if the people become too restless early.

But, the masters will always carefully chose who get to pick from. There will be little difference between them other than namecalling. And you will have 'operation chaos' stealth operations designed to manipulate us into voting for the one they have already chosen.

Take over the media, or continue to watch America roll off the cliff.

Joe Olivia
I have come to the conclusion that we can not win through elections at all.

The only way that we can reclaim America and re-instate the constitution is a full take-over of the media.

All dictatorships (of any stripe) always begin by taking over media. In fact, in our own wars, that is the very first goal.

We more and more rely on government to investigate its own crimes. And we accept it without concern when they admonish themselves of all wrong-doing. Well, sort of. It depends on the party in power. The other party always plays to the healthy skepticism.

By keeping the American population so evenly divided, it makes it easier to throw elections. By pretending there is a difference between the two parties, we think we can make our voices heard when one party goes on a warpath of destruction. We can pretend that just voting for the other party will make things all better.

But there is no "other party." They are all one and the same. They all serve the same masters.

No, elections aren't going to do us any good. Not now, and not in the near future. We must take over media. So, true conservatives, get your journalism degree. Play the game, become editors and producers. Get inside the belly of the beast.

Look up my moniker; Vindex.

Vindex
You are not alone. For over a year now I have been running my independent campaign, and anyone who has actually taken the time to visit my website, JOEOLIVAFORPRESIDENT.ORG should be able to understand what you are saying.

The elites have duped the people by telling them they have no other choice and must hold their noses as they vote the lesser of two evils. As a result, the two parties have accrued so much power to themselves that they no longer fear the will of the people, and the Constitution is simply a sound bite to be used at the appropriate TV moment.

Both parties are infected with the internationalist mindset that has been squandering our resources to help other nations, weakening our military to police the world, mortgaging the future of our kids to pay for it all, and selling out our sovereignty to prepare the way for assimilating America into their vision of a new world order/one world government socialist utopia!

The American people have had their birthright stolen right out from under them and because the internationalists control education, the people remain ignorant of the basic principles of freedom.

If this isn't the election and now isn't the time to act, when will it ever be? Another President from either of the two major parties is a signal that this nation can no longer endure in freedom. I urge any of you who are serious about what is happening to visit my website. Why not? The elites have stolen our inheritance! What do you intend to do to reclaim it? Thanks, Joe



Personally,....
I think the libertarian label Goldberg wears is a tiny-tiny (l), and a much larger (R).

Since the Bush's have been in office, I have become increasingly (L), and much, much smaller (R) that I am now probably going to re-register as a libertarian and just vote that way until we get a little more L back into R.

Nam65-66 writes.....
"..Sorry folks,Pearl Harbor happend,like it or not.Withdraw from the world is not an option.This is not the 1930's and all the clever names for people you disagree with on foriegn policy will not change that simple fact."

Yes, and both WWII and the cold war probably would not have happened had we not meddled in WWI. Likewise, 9-11 might not have happened if we didn't meddle in the ME.

The label neocon is appropriate because it does identify those conservatives who advocate a massive military, involvement in the affairs of others (by coercion) world wide, that this enlarges the state and erodes liberties, and it all comes at fiscal irresponsibility, and taxpayer expense, not to mention it enhances the imperial presidency. Like social programs such a medicaid and social security, once it starts, it takes a life of its own and is impossible to reverse.

Those of us traditional small and limited government conservatives do not want to be identified or grouped with the likes of neocons, and will call out those in support of such foriegn policies that do damage to our liberties.

Will doesn't fool anyone
Will never thought well of Jonah. He just thinks people will think he's a thinker if he says that.

No one's falling for your sophomoric ploys, Will.

Jerabaub
Of course, Reagan's cabinet was filled with Neocons, and the neocons opposed him in his elections, actually causing his loss in 1976.

The neocons like to point out that Reagan was a former democrat, and therefore one of them. The problem was that Reagan actually became a conservative.

The neocons in his administration undermined him at every chance.

Depending how "black helicopter" you lean, there are also some theories about his attempted assasination you might find interesting:
http://www.hereinreality.com/hinckley.html

Buck writes:
"They are embedded In The National Review,The Weekly Standard and other media forums such as Townhall and areas of Talk Radio.They will and have attempted to sacrifice ,Fiscal Conservatism and Social Conservatism to their Foreign Policy driven Defense Leg of The Conservative Stool.They use Evangelicals,by playing to their Apocalyptic Israel belief system to promote their own Israel Agenda.We,Real Conservatives,have drawn the line in the sand,right here,right now. It starts to stop NOW!"


As an evangelical not represented in the group you describe above, I say, BINGO. You hit that nail write on the coffin. I'm with you brother.

Skep41
NAFTA, CAFTA, LOST, etc... are "free trade" policies?

Who is the lib in here? Ever heard of cognitive dissonance? Conservatives have been familiar with for years.

Oh well, you will be back to your party where you belong next year. Good riddance.

Jonah quoting Kagan??? writes...
"From our earliest days, Americans have supported the promotion of democracy around the world, often by force and without undue heed to international institutions. William Henry Seward, a founder of the Republican Party and Lincoln's secretary of state"

The earliest days are not William Henry Seward. I always admire the hubris and "bait and switch" of this argument....to make it sound as if Seward was part of our foundations.

Frankly, Jeffersonianism predates Seward by more than a generation. In Jefferson's ESSENTIAL principles of our government", Jefferson states: "Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations – entangling alliances with none."

Perhaps Interesting
Is that these people clamoring for war and more war sound INDENTICAL to the people in the Clinton administration that were clamoring for war in the ME.

Perhaps, also interesting, is that the Republicans actually OPPOSED Clinton's war drumming. In fact, we elected Bush because the Republicans were afraid the democrats were going to blow up the world.

So, now they are with US. They have temporarily taken over the Republican party. Shoved all the conservatives out (they love international communism) and pulled all the right strings. Don't worry, conservatives, they will soon be back in the Democratic party and will leave the empty, spent shell of the Republican party to us.

Perhaps enough of them will stay to see to it that the conservatives do not take the party back, but they will be a little bit weakened.

Mark my words, the pages of Townhall.com will be nearly 180 degrees opposite next year when the Democratic party takes office. The posters names (like JPK) you see here will no longer be here. They will have either changed their names and positions or will have moved on to their accounts at dailykos and huffingtonpost.

Want to try a neat trick? Start talking about careers with these people after making friends with them. The majority of them work for the government. Look at the times they post. They are posting on your tax-paid dime. Go ahead, give it a try. I have -- under a different name where they think I am their friend. :) I wonder if they can figure out who I am.

JPK
During the Iraq-Iran war, the official policy of the U.S. was neutral, but like I said, from 1982 on, the U.S. began tilting toward Iraq.

I still maintain it was more covert than overt, more intelligence gathering to assist the Iraqis, rather than huge amounts of weapons. But quite alot of information from that era is still classified.

Saddam had outlawed the Iraqi communist party at the start of the war, because the party had agitated for an immediate end to the war(USSR opposed the war).

At any rate, the U.S. began to fear Khomeini's regime might be victorious, and that the Iranians could disrupt oil supplies, which is one reason why the U.S. began tilting toward Saddam.

In 1982, U.S. extended a line of credit for Saddam to purchase U.S. goods, including grain.

In 1982 the U.S. removed Saddam's regime from the list of states that sponsor terrorism.

In 1984, the U.S. even renewed diplomatic relations with Saddam's regime.

Unlike the neocons, the Reagan administration was primarily motivated by national security implications for the United States, and its efforts were designed to minimize a disruption of Persian Gulf oil... a real-politik matter, rather than grotesque neocon adventurism.

Moonkeeper
"So, why haven't republicans repealed and rolled back any of the disastrous policies of Clinton? Why are they bipartisan on all things that are destructive to our nation (NATO, UN, NAFTA, CAFTA, LOST.) Etc.. Why is abortion still legal? Why are the republicans open border? Why hasn't the fence been built? Why has our debt gone up and up and up? Why hasn't SS and Medicare been fixed? Why are the republicans behind "no child left behind" and the newer, even worse policies?"

Free trade is one of the few areas where Clinton was right. Conservatives always support free trade. We'll leave it to you Dems to 'fix' a problem which is one of the strengths of our economy. Abortion is still legal because a large majority of people want it to be and because the libs on SCOTUS have taken the option of changing the law away from the legislatures where it belongs. Our debt has gone up because legislators in both parties vote huge subsidies to their campaign contributors and suffer no penalty at the polls for doing so. SS and Medicare are unworkable and unfixable, a total trainwreck will result from these unfunded 'insurance' programs. The fence is not up because business leaders and politicians know that key industries would collapse without cheap foreign labor. Republicans are used as fronts to install disastrous liberal policies in the name of bi-partisanship, which means 100% of the Democrats and two or three Republicans for window dressing. Kennedy wrote 'No Child'. You libs are going to have your chance to 'fix' things after this fall's election.The result of your socialist policies will be a Soviet Union-style collapse.

BrianR
Where have you been hiding Buddy :)! Don’t worry, The 09/12 Republicans are drifting back to The Left, CPAC had LOTS of VERY YOUNG Conservatives in attendance this year and The Liberals are setting themselves up for a STUNNING Defeat at The Ballot Box. Maybe not this year, but some time in the not so distant future.

Moonkeeper
They will just call you names. They don't answer or even bother with sticking on topic. Just look at JPK above. He decided to "reframe the debate" by calling everyone "left wing kooks" "kool-aid drinkers" etc.. But, somehow left out any actual refutation of the posts.

Of course, he doesn't need to lower himself to answer to us. They are in control. Who are we?

McCain losing doesn't matter one bit to them. In fact, that is already what they planned. Maybe we should all vote for McCain just to ruin their plans! Well, that's IF our votes actually counted.

When they say they don't need us conservatives, they really mean it, more than most people realize.

Boutte
Well, I may not have advanced as far as you in your research.

I try to stick to the areas I know the most about and that which is absolutely proven, that which is not "secret" and somehow gained in questionable ways.

There is enough information out there in plain sight that I don't normally need to resort to any of the "extra-ordinary" information.

I will look at your information, however. Just realize that I try my best to remain critical of ALL information, even if it supports what I 'think.' Sometimes, things are "just too good to be true." Be careful with what you accept as fact.

Someone respond
"So, why haven't republicans repealed and rolled back any of the disastrous policies of Clinton? Why are they bipartisan on all things that are destructive to our nation (NATO, UN, NAFTA, CAFTA, LOST.) Etc.. Why is abortion still legal? Why are the republicans open border? Why hasn't the fence been built? Why has our debt gone up and up and up? Why hasn't SS and Medicare been fixed? Why are the republicans behind "no child left behind" and the newer, even worse policies?"

I would love to see a republican respond to this part in particular. Though I'm sure they won't in favor of only pointing out some random time that you used "the" instead of "a."

Don't forget to rip your nose off and vote for McCain in Nov.!

Let's test your knowlege
to help us determine if you are just an idiot or a communist:

Since you brought up "jews"

Is a Zionist a jew? Is Zionism a religion? Were jews persectued in the U.S. between 1967 and 1970?

What is a semite? What is an anti-semite? What is an Ashkenazi? Is it the same as a Nazi? What is a Nazi? Where semites pushed out of Israel? When did Israel become a state? Was there ever a time when Muslims and Jews lived happily together? If so, when was that? What do you know about that time period?

Why are all "anti-semite" groups socialist? Why is there a tremendous movement of anti-zionist, ethnic, American Jews and Jews in other contries (including Israel?) Does any of this have to do with "neo-conservativism?"

Is it true that an Israeli citizen can have dual citizenship in the U.S.? Is it true that Israel does not extradite Israeli citizens to be tried for crimes in other countries?

I am not agreeing or disagreeing with anything above. I tried to insert no opinion in my questions. I simply want to see what you know. Let's stick with facts, ok? No namecalling. Maybe I'll learn something.

Answer whichever ones you like, ignore the ones you don't care to answer.

Yet, still, this has very little to do with modern neo-conservativism in my book. But, since you wanted to bring up the Jews (though you might be talking to one, I should add.)

JOKe
Obviously jerabub was wrong with the "covert" part. The rest of it is factual, yes?

Though, how many people know that we supplied Iraq with the biology weapons he used to gas his people? It certainly wasn't "covert", but how many people know it happened?

JPK
Ahh... there you go.

So you are communist, then?

Let's just look at your ridiculous claims:

"Mention jews and the roaches come out" YOU were the one that brought up jews, retard.

"It is also interesting that most of the parniod, crazy anti-semites are from the Left."

Interesting then that these people all happened to come from the left, and we are complaining about that. We are complaining about communism. Are you saying the left don't like communism and the right does? What a ridiculous statement to make.

"Black helicopters" "Conspiracy theory" "jews" "anti-semites" "Kool-aid drinkers"

You certainly got all the buzzwords in, didn't you?

blah blah blah. The only nutjob in this thread is you, communist.

Vindex
Quoted from Jerabaub:

"Goldberg is wrong on Reagan. Reagan actually provided covert assistance to Saddam, especially after 1982 when it looked like Iran might be victorious"

You need to calm down. You act as if there IS some Neocon orgainzation. Guess what, there isn't.

Pro-Communists
http://www.engageonline.org.uk/journal/index.php?journal_id =5&article_id=19

Read that and get past the retarded accusations of anti-semites (by the way, anti-semite is NOT anti-jew, any way -- those of you that hate the muslim arabs would be considered anti-semites.)

See how the admissions are RIGHT there, but then they spin it into "anti-semitisim conspiracy theory" to simply dismiss it as the thoughts of crazy jew-hating nutjobs? Has a single person on this thread mentioned ANYTHING about the jews?

BTW, the founders of Israel were not ethinc jews or semites, anyway. They are ashkenazis. Call it an anti-semite conspiracy theory, blast me, call me names, then go look it up in history books.

This Thread is Full of Left Wing Kooks
The Black Helicopters are circling today. Mention Jews and the roaches come out of the wood work. International conspiracies (think of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion), political conspiracies (everyone knows the Jewish war-mongerers are financing Hillary), and plain ol' anti-semitism are alive and well.

BTW, Goldberg is a libertarian-conservative in the tradition of Calvin Coolidge. It is also interesting that most of the parniod, crazy anti-semites are from the Left. They've joined hands with the paleo-conservatives (populist progressives) and both drink gleefully from the same cup of kool-aid.

JPK writes:
"There was nothing covert about our assistance to Iraq circa 1981-1988."

Who said there was anything "covert" about it? Again, you want to make us look unstable by implying that we think everything is some secret conspiracy.

There was nothing secret about it. Information was controlled, sure. How many people actually knew about this? When people were told about it, how was it presented to them?

Nobody here is talking about anything 'secret' that needs a cypher decoder ring to understand. It's all right there in plain sight. NOTHING secret about it. It's all written down and admitted by them. Either you haven't bothered to read any links ever given to you, or you actually agree with the communists. So, which one is it? Don't lie about it. They don't anymore.

JPK
It's interesting that you make all these statements as if that is what the "conspiracy theorist nutjobs" believe. Have you really read many of us conservatives making the claims you are? Nope. Have you heard neocon apologists make those claims? Yep.

So, of course we look silly, because you are told we believe something completely different than we believe.

And BTW, if it is so crazy, why is that we can find PROOF of every single neocon leader being A COMMUNIST? Admitting it, not accused of it. THEY ADMIT IT.

Explain that, o' slayer of "conspiracy theorist nutjobs!"

Jerabaub
There was nothing covert about our assistance to Iraq circa 1981-1988. Guess what, we provided him with intel in his war against Iran. Wow big deal. You seem blissfully unaware that the Soviets provided Iraq with all of thier military hardware (missles,chemical weapons, tanks, APCs, artillery, aircraft, muitions), as well as training their officers. All of Iraq's high level officers attended Frunze, and the Iraqi tactics and doctrine was classic Soviet doctrine.

Reagan had very little to give Saddam, as his main ally came out of Moscow.


cont.


So, why haven't republicans repealed and rolled back any of the disastrous policies of Clinton? Why are they bipartisan on all things that are destructive to our nation (NATO, UN, NAFTA, CAFTA, LOST.) Etc.. Why is abortion still legal? Why are the republicans open border? Why hasn't the fence been built? Why has our debt gone up and up and up? Why hasn't SS and Medicare been fixed? Why are the republicans behind "no child left behind" and the newer, even worse policies?

Why? Because the same group of communists are controlling both parties and the media. That's why.

I suspect all apologists as being a communist. How could you not know? Their brainwashing isn't THAT good. I mean, they ADMIT to 90% of what we accuse them of. They put it in writing, they put it in speeches. They no longer hide their goals because they no longer fear the American people. It's not a secret conspiracy, because it is no longer a secret.

Goldberg suggests
it is just "accusations" about neocons being former socialists and trotskyites.

They ADMIT to it.

Podhoretz was just on Glenn Beck not long ago and admitted it without an ounce of shame.


And the guys above have it absolutely right that these people are backing Hillary Clinton. THAT was obvious to anyone paying attention as far back as 2004.

Hillary is 10 Million dollars in debt. Why is she still running? Because she KNOWS she will get the nomination regardless of what happens. Townhall is all but blatantly supporting her. 'Operation Chaos' is a flase flag (these people were voting for her, anyway.)

I have said for weeks that Hillary would win PA, not because Barack was flailing in his socialist self, but because I KNEW she has been chosen. You people can ingore us till the day grows dark, you can pretend all this is happening purely by chance and random circumstance, but if you just open your eyes, it is written on the wall. It has become so easy to predict what is going to happen next.

I have been saying for months that Bush would start signing on to the global warming crap. I have been saying for nearly a year that our economy would completely crash by Sept. of this year. Recession this year and depression next year.

None of this has to do with 'democrats' it has to do with communists. Communists in BOTH parties, running both parties. We will switch back and forth, back and forth between parties as each one destroys our country more and more each time. Media will convince us to simply blame the current party and by electing the other party next time, all will be well.

We Should Dispense With...
...the label Neocon. Goldberg is correct in pointing the obvious fact that Neocons were originally disaffected Democratic intellectuals whose concern was domestic politics (ie Irving Kristol, Norm Poderetz, Irving Seltzer, etc...). What is also hillarious is dragging the late philosopher Leo Strauss into the fight. Some journalist discovered that Paul Wolfowitz (a Jew) atteneded one semester at the Univ of Chicago in which he studied under Alan Bloom (a Jew OMG!), who gave a series of lectures on Strauss. Bingo! Said journalist cherry picked a few quotes from Strauss (you guessed it, a Jew), and suddenly for two weeks journalists raced to the bookstores to see what this crazy Alsatian Jew -whose been dead for 30 years- was up to. All of a sudden, Strauss was enlisted into the ranks of other war-mongering, fascist philosphers (Hegel, Fichte, Nietzsche, and Heidegger). And this time it wasn't the Nazis, but the Isrealis who pulled the strings. Brilliant! Simply Brilliant! The Myth of the Necon was born.

Necons have replaced the Jesuits. This dastardly secretive group of Isreali spies for centuries have infiltrated the far reaches of power. Again Brilliant! Who knew the Hegel was a secret Mossad Agent? And Strauss? How clever! This eccentric scholar of Machevelli cleverly seduced our Best and Brightest. Must call Art Bell and warn him and his listeners.

The New Neocon Excuse - Ignorance?
Nope, it **can't** be a gnostic power-lust, so Jonah explains it all with "Nobody here but us ignoramuses."

Wrong on history, wrong on ideas, and wrong on the war, the neocon dialectic (nothing is really true, just keep shifting the kaleidescope) marches on, with intellectually impoverished Jonah still trapped in the whale.

Truth exists, Junior, and it hurts.

It was so Neo-con even you were one
I'm a conservative and I know that we were lied to about keeping them there so they wouldn't come here.

I know we are being lied to now about McCain's League of Democracies who will help us win the war in Iraq.

Nam65-66
It is funny that you mention leaving. Cause droves of present, as well as, ex miltary and gov intel people are doing just that and have moved, or have purchased property in Costa Rica, Virgin Islands (not recommended), Belize and a few more little places around the globe. I have a nice place myself, in a little community in SA.

Guess who my nieghbors are?

Neocons, ha ha ha ha ha!


Happy Neo-Con
Try getting your heads out of your behinds and join the 21st century.

Please check your family history to find out when you got to our fine country.

I'm off to work to pay for a bunch of native born !Save your venom till after 5 pm.

In the mean time, try prying your surly teen away from the computer or video game. Get them to mow the lawn,or watch their siblings. God forbid that you should employ som e good for nothing alien to do this!

with neocons, think "conned" as in duped
There is a difference between supporting a people's quest for self-governance, and grotesque schemes in using our military as pawns in some half-baked experiment to determine if Islam and "democracy" are compatible.

If others want to emulate our ideals, establish representative government, their own peoples should pay the price to bring it about.

We did not go to war with Japan and Germany to establish representative government, but to remove a threat. In fact, for those making the argument post war Japan can serve as a model for today's Iraq, remember our government banned national observances of Shintoism in Japan.

Would be ban Islam in Iraq today?

Cough.

Japan is extremely homogeneous, compared with Iraq. The differences could not be more stark.

Goldberg is wrong on Reagan. Reagan actually provided covert assistance to Saddam, especially after 1982 when it looked like Iran might be victorious.

Imagine G.W. providing assistance to Saddam.

And after Lebanon, Reagan became extremely cautious over committing U.S. forces in combat. He refused to commit U.S. military to Panama a few years later, despite pleas to do so from his cabinet, largely due to his revulsion over what happened in Lebanon(from Lou Cannon, Reagan biographer).

G.W. has no qualms about committing U.S. forces.

Irving Kristol, one of the founders of the neocon movement, was a committed Trotskyite(communist)for years.

Neocons are former leftists who abandoned the Democrats beginning in the 1970s because McGovernites sought better relations with the Palestinians.

The usual suspects are back...
...Sorry folks,Pearl Harbor happend,like it or not.Withdraw from the world is not an option.This is not the 1930's and all the clever names for people you disagree with on foriegn policy will not change that simple fact.We are the biggest kid on the block and the world will always have a "biggest kid on the block",and I am glad it is us and not someone else.

However,you always have the option of excersising one other constitutional right:The right to leave if our foriegn policy becomes so unbearable to you.Don't forget to write.

Learn our history
"From our earliest days, Americans have supported the promotion of democracy"

Hello Mr Goldberg, nowhere in our founding documents, as well as, in every state constitution, will you find the word democracy. As a matter of fact, up until the early part of the 20th century, even our military manuals warned of democracy, as something dangerous to our way of life and our nation.

That warning was not heeded and today we no longer have our republic, nor a democracy, but a whole different animal.







The Best Cure for Today's Neocons is:
My grandmother once told me a story about a man who had come before my Great Uncle who was a Judge to claim that he should not have to pay child support because the child in question did not belong to him. Now, this was many years ago before DNA testing and all of that but my Great Uncle looked at the woman who was suing for child support and asked her if he was in fact the father of her child and she said yes your honor and she proceeded to point out some witnesses who would testify that not only was he the father but that he lived with her and shared her bed for several years as her husband.

The man got really excited and told my Great Uncle he did not know anything about the child and had nothing to do with the child in question. However, the woman was adamant and yelled that he did too and that he was indeed the father because she had not slept with anyone else. Well, my grandmother laughed as she told me that my great uncle left the court room and came back and told the man he would from now on be responsible for the child support and if he did not miss any payments that he would promise that the child would grow up to look just like him. He then called the man to the bench and scolded him and told him that next time he should keep it in his pants!!

Somehow, I think this applies to Neocons!!

By the way, if Reagan was alive...I doubt we would be in a war over in Iraq!

Boy has Jonah blew it with
this one. Yes, the accepted definition of a Neocon is a hawk on foreign policy who still adheres to most of the Lamocrat Party line. Bush and McLame are prime examples of these.

He also missed it on the Vietnam thing, but I guess everyone under the age of 50 believes the myths foisted off on the public by the media. The U.S. never supported a "democracy" in Vietnam unless you believe the agents of a coup are democratic.

Why have these people
hijacked my Party?

This column's another Goldberg crock
because as he hints at in a sideways manner without really coming out and saying it, a neo-con is typically a hawk on foreign/military policy while at the same time a liberal or "moderate" on domestic policy.

Hence they can be for a strong prosecution of the Iraq war while also being for gun control, for example.

These are the folks who have hijacked the GOP and caused a rift with true conservatives. This is why we see a God-awful candidate like McCain leading the ticket. This is why we see so many GOPers pushing amnesty for illegal aliens.

Time for it to stop.

National Review
How is this compatible with conservatism? CFR thinks national sovereignty is an "immature concept" and that the constitution is "inadequate".

“One of the most curious publications to join the list of CFR interlocked journals is the ostensibly conservative magazine National Review. Although National Review has in the past claimed to be an opponent of the Eastern Liberal Establishment, it has never called attention the conspiratorial activities of the Rockefeller Dynasty- and, it fact, has bitterly ridiculed anyone who suggested that there were any conspiratorial wolves mixed in with the Liberal sheep. Many well-informed conservatives were puzzled by National Review’s refusal to consider the possibility that most of the liberal “mistakes” the magazine decried were actually carefully planned and deliberate acts; their bewilderment is bound to increase when they learn that editor-in-chief William F. Buckly,Jr., who has boasted of his personal friendship and warm admiration for such important insiders as Henry Kissinger (uber globalist), and who enthusiastically endorsed Nelson Rockefeller for Secretary of Defense, is himself a member of the Counsel on Foreign Relations.” Gary Allen


Is Jonah a CFR man like Kudlow?

Oh, by the way...
Interesting perspective Jonah!

Do NOT feed Will, the Troll
Do not respond to Will, he is a troll who NEVER adds ANYTHING to the matter at hand.

neocon
Neocon is an oxymoron.


Jonah
Your writing has become so suffocatingly smug (smug in a cocksure Hugh Hewitt or Keith Olbermann sort of way). To think I actually thought of you once as a neo- H.L. Mencken. In truth, you're much closer to Michelle Malkin or any handful of talk-radio blatherers.

I thought you were a thinker.
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