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Friday, April 18, 2008
Jonah Goldberg :: Townhall.com Columnist
Courting Disaster
by Jonah Goldberg
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Every four years, we're told that this is the most important election since a caveman asked for a show of hands. So some skepticism seems warranted when we hear the same refrain this year.

But then there's the question of the Supreme Court. And here, at least for me, skepticism melts away into real anxiety, even panic.

Consider the stunning decision handed down from the Supreme Court this week.

The court ruled that the state of Kentucky may continue to use lethal injections when administering the death penalty. But that's not what's shocking. Nor was it surprising that for the first time Justice John Paul Stevens admitted he thinks the death penalty is unconstitutional.

What is staggering, or at least should be, is that Stevens freely admits that he no longer considers "objective evidence" or even the plain text of the Constitution determinative of what is or isn't constitutional: "I have relied on my own experience in reaching the conclusion that the imposition of the death penalty" is unconstitutional.

Justice Antonin Scalia, in a blistering response, justifiably exclaimed that, "Purer expression cannot be found of the principle of rule by judicial fiat."

I say "justifiably" rather an "accurately" because I think we hear purer expressions of the principle that "good" judges are those who make it up as they go along all the time. Consider Barack Obama. The Democratic front-runner and former lecturer on constitutional law at the University of Chicago has explained his thinking toward judicial appointments thusly: "We need somebody who's got the heart, the empathy, to recognize what it's like to be a young teenage mom, the empathy to understand what it's like to be poor or African-American or gay or disabled or old - and that's the criteria by which I'll be selecting my judges."

When defending his vote against Justice John Roberts' confirmation, Obama explained that the standard for a justice must be "one's deepest values, one's core concerns, one's broader perspectives on how the world works, and the depth and breadth of one's empathy."

Now that is a pure expression of the principle of judicial fiat.

Indeed, by Obama's own words the best justices are those who will most shamelessly violate their own oath of office.

Supreme Court justices must "solemnly swear that I will administer justice without respect to persons, and do equal right to the poor and to the rich, and that I will faithfully and impartially discharge and perform all the duties incumbent on me as a justice of the Supreme Court of the United States under the Constitution and laws of the United States, so help me God."

Note the bit about doing right to poor and rich and alike. Feeling sorry for the poor guy who violates the Constitution or the law has no role in how a Supreme Court justice is supposed to make a decision. Legislators can write laws based on empathy. They can invoke their pet theories about "how the world works." They can even, as Justices Stephen Breyer and Ruth Bader Ginsberg are fond of doing, consult foreign laws and court decisions in their efforts to make a more perfect union. But Supreme Court justices are supposed to decide what the written law requires, not pick winners and losers based upon some sense of noblesse oblige. That's why all of those statues of Lady Justice show her standing blindfolded, not bent over kissing the boo-boos of the unfortunate and the downtrodden.

In a very real sense, this election year we face the question: Do we want to live in a monarchy or a nation of laws? Is this to be a country where justices serve as a reliable backstop against encroachments upon the constitutional order, or a country where the most undemocratic branch of government serves as the tip of the spear for such intrusions?

Five of the last seven presidents have been Republicans at least nominally committed to appointing conservative justices. Some have fallen short in that department (though not President George W. Bush), which is why the Supreme Court today hangs in the balance. John McCain could conceivably make the mistake of appointing a Souter or a Stevens or some other justice who sees the Constitution as an ink blot. But the key difference between McCain and his Democratic rivals is that he promises not to appoint such justices. Clinton and Obama consider it among their top priorities. That's at least one reason for saying this is one of the most important elections in a very long time.

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Great article
though the moonbats will still believe their feelings trump all.

McCain
I am not counting on McCain.

By hios own mouth impeach him
From the bench

quote:
Stevens freely admits that he no longer considers "objective evidence" or even the plain text of the Constitution determinative of what is or isn't constitutional: "I have relied on my own experience in reaching the conclusion that the imposition of the death penalty" is unconstitutional
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The 5th Amendment itself speaks of loss of life or limb by due process of law.
And the death penalty is due process of law.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Stevens is unfit to judge anything and really should be impeached.

Judicial activism
Judicial activism is great if you being helped by it. But if you're at the bottom and are not helped by it, why support it? This is the situation of white males who are economically in the bottom half. We get no help from judicial activism. So, why should I support it?

JFP
Judicial activism is wrong, no matter who benefits or doesn't benefit from it. It is not the duty of the Supreme Court, or any other court, to make law. It is the duty of the courts to interpret law and to apply the law fairly. Did you not study this sort of thing in school? Must have attended a government school.

Judicial activism
If those that want abortion on demand, gay marriage, gun control, affirmative action, and such would simply pass a Constitutional Amendment to that effect then they could stop worrying about judges like Scalia. Maybe they where texting on there cell phone during American Government class, when that was taught.

death penalty
There has never, repeat never, been an execution in the United States which was later proven to be wrongfully administered.

"Im not even going to tell you":
I have no idea what you are talking about, and I am quite sure you don't either. Judges rule on the letter of the law, not their feelings and the current political winds.

We have a name for a group of people who rule based on their opinion of the law: tyrants or non-religious theocracy.

I guess people such as yourself think its perfectly OK to trample the law for the 'common good' as long as you agree with their abuse of it.


Impeach the idiot
If we had a Congress worth a d*mn this idiot would be impeached. Ginsberg would have been impeached long ago when she quoted "foreign law".

and "not going to tell you":

I suppose that if by some modern miracle McLame gets elected and Ginsberg finally can no longer be propped up to resemble a living person and he appoints a real conservative then SCOTUS rules that being liberal is a capitol offense you will support that as well.

To: Not Going To Tell You
As enshrined by the Constitution, the correct way to change that document to reflect changes in the country that the Founding Fathers could not anticipate is via the amendment process. That is how such things as lowering the age to vote to 18 happened. How Prohibition got started and stopped. And always a good one for the Ron Paul supporters, the IRS was created via amendment.

It is not the job of any judge to create law by creative linguistic gymnastics. But that is what you and the likes of Senators Clinton and Obama are arguing for. For unelected judges to make law that apply to you. Thus the term judicial fiat. Or to go back further, by Divine Right they doth decree that such an act[anything that strikes their fancy] is illegal and henceforth punishable by public flogging. That is the road Justice Stevens is setting the country on with his opinions.

Impeach Him
Judges who publicly reject their oaths in this fashion should be impeached without delay and without argument or discussion -- because the public rejection of the judicial oath makes the need to remove such a person from the bench completely self-evident.

"Vote Mac For the Judges" Doesn't Fly
I'm sorry, given JM's record, I can't help but belive that while he might not spring any Stevens' or Ginsburgs on us, we can definitely kiss Scalias, Alitos, & Thomas' goodbye, & they're the kind who will actively resist judicial activism. I suspect Mack will tap Kennedies & O'Connors & that sort.

After all, he himself has directly attacked several bedrock precepts of the Constitution.

Furthermore, with a Democratic Senate, he will certainly go out of his way to be "moderate" & "bipartisan" (NOT a "maverick!"), & refrain from appointing anyone "controversial." That means someone a flaming leftie Senator will like, which means at best a wobbly loose-constructionist who'll go along w/ clever legal doctrines when they advance leftist causes, but for some strange reason will never find the same doctrines to be applicable when they would instead obstruct leftist agendas.

Bad Laws are Bad Judges' Playground

A big part of the problem of judicial activism IMO has to do with the quality of the statutes they are given to rule upon. Far too much of our US Code is made up not of definite measurable LAWS that whether Constitutional & wise, or not, notify eveyone of what is legal & required, & what is not.

Instead, we have wholesale (unConstitutional) delegation of legislative & executive authority to "independent agencies" which the courts always rubberstamp in favor of giving unaccountable agencies even more power than the statute contemplated. Too many statutes are not actual laws, but open-ended statements of broad policy that INVITE if not require bureaucrats & activist judges to assign them concrete meaning ex post facto. Thus, one crying need we have is a conservative Congress who not only observes wisdom & Constitution, but doesn't punt the issues to bureaucrats & courts.

For example, who thought the Endangered Speciues Act would one day be used to grab land & to require energy rationing?

Impeach Stevens
Ego man thinks he is smarter than everyone.

When you do not perform the duties you swore you would, you get fired.

If no one is above the law, this creep should be gone. He thinks he is above the law.

Empathy dictates blind justice
The disadvantaged need to be able to know what the law is and to accurately predict its disposition. Otherwise, justice becomes a crapshooot and we are all on shaky ground all of the time.

When judges become activist...
freedom and justice go out the window.

One exception
“Obama explained that the standard for a justice must be ‘one's deepest values, one's core concerns, one's broader perspectives on how the world works, and the depth and breadth of one's empathy’... "

... Except when that justice is a Catholic.

The Supreme Court
What I find most disturbing about Stevens' comments is that he used word "unconstitutional". What does that mean, if the Constitution means whatever you want it to mean, and if judges and justices let their bleeding hearts rule, instead of the clear letter of the law?

Goldberg totally misstates the opinion
In his cheerleading for the GOP and McCain, Goldberg misstated the opinions and the outcome of the case.

The Stevens quote is taken out of context, but more importantly, Stevens CONCURRED with the majority. The only two dissenters were Ginsburg (no surprise) and Souter... who was a Bush 1 appointee; a Justice appointed by ANOTHER RINO Prez.

Based in his history, ideology and politics, I don't see McCain appointing any Scalias to the bench.

Likelier more Souters.

Fuggedabouddit.



Everyone on this TH site knows the
primacy of our Constitution as the defining document of those unalienable rights granted us by the Creator. The sad part is how many people do not understand how both parties have willfully and negligently failed to observe the tenets of the Constitution.

Anyone who believes in voting the lesser of two evils, i.e., Republican, is falling for the same old scam. Anyone who believes that only the "elites" in either party are capable of governing this great nation is allowing themselves to be duped once again. Anyone who doesn't realize that we cannot do the same thing and then expect a different result missed Einstein's definition of insanity.

We cannot afford another elite President. If we elect one of them, we will see more big government, a continued decline in our personal freedoms, and we will watch our beloved nation move further into the socialist new world order of the internationalists who hate America.

If you want to see more on how the elites have robbed us of our inheritance and what we can do to reclaim it, I urge you to visit my website, JOEOLIVAFORPRESIDENT.ORG. Check it out, you will not be disappointed. Realize that the future of freedom does not lie with the GOP/DEM/MSM. Thanks, Joe


Obama's first appointment?
Bernadine Dohrn. Empathetic to terrorists AND children.

Joe O.
While I agree with your sentiment, Name one who has a rats@$$ chance of winning and I'll vote for him. Go on, NAME ONE!

Impeachment
Stevens freely admits that he no longer considers "objective evidence" or even the plain text of the Constitution determinative of what is or isn't constitutional: "I have relied on my own experience in reaching the conclusion that the imposition of the death penalty" is unconstitutional.

This statement by itself is cause for impeachment and removal of Stevens. This is a direct assult on the Constitution. Each branch of the Government is charged with defending the Constitution. However, since Stevens is pushing the leftist agenda, leftist liberals will never protect the Constitution and will allow people openly hostile to it to remain in power.

Mc Cain's appointments
It does not matter if Mc Cain wins the presidency IF the Senate is controlled by the Democrats. The likes of Roberts or Alito would never have seen the light-of-day if Republicans did not control the Senate during their appointment hearings. The only reason their appointments came up for a vote was the threat of changing the rules to eliminate filibuster on juducial appointments. There will be no conservative justices added to the bench with a Democrat/Leftist Senate.
That is just as important if not more important than who holds the presidency.

Why 3 months off ?
Does anyone know why the Supreme Court takes off for 3 months each summer? Is it so they can get government paid travel to overseas locations to get ideas on how to apply foreign law to the US?

eastlake joe
Try Frank McEnulty at frankforpresident.org or see his nomination for the New American Independent Party (NewAmericanIndependentParty.com), or read his campaign announcement entitled 'My Presidential Campaign' on FireSociety.com

I know that I do not have a national organization, but this guy does. Check him out and let us know here on TH what you think. Others out there should look at Frank as well. We do have a choice and we cannot simply hand the country over to these elites who are selling it out.
Joe

Joe O.
Sorry I snapped at you Joe, but I'm tired of all this talk about so-and-so has the right stuff and he hasn't got a chance of winning. All that does is split up the vote till LIB.INC. (B.O & H.R.C.) get in and if you think McCain will screw it up then when they get in bend over and grin!

Joe O
Read a lot of the stuff at the sites you named and I agree with almost most of what he stands for, or at least says he stands for, but the same problem exhists - he doesn't have a chance of winning. This will in turn split up the vote enough that Lib. Inc. will get in and i told you what to do then. Invest in Vaseline!! You're going to need it!

All the ladies
I'm sorry if that last statement in ANY way offended you I'm just real mad when I think of them (LIB. INC.) getting in.

Buck
And you think things will be any better under LIB.INC. ? Come on!!! They will destroy this country you profess to love to the point of no return. Take my word for it!

Springtime for McCain
"But the key difference between McCain and his Democratic rivals is that he promises not to appoint such justices."
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That sums up the entire argument of the McCain supporters. A singular promise.

Mr. Goldberg, McCain is not going to appoint any judge who would strike down McCain-Feingold, McCain-Lieberman, McCain-Kennedy. Why would a "principled pragmatist" appoint a strict constructionist judge? At best, he will give us a judge that tends to rule in our favor only on technical grounds but otherwise sees the Constitution as an inkblot. Are we really getting a better deal here? Where is the evidence of this? Have McCain give us the names of his appointees up-front, then we will talk.

You took great pains in your book to show that liberal fascism is the same ideology as 20th century European fascism. Why do you now bother demonizing the smiling liberal who kisses boo-boos to make it better when there is a liberal neoconservative whose preferred solution is tough-lovingly keeping us from playing in the playground in the first place? Is not the point of your book that we should recognize fascism in all its forms? Does McCain not use the very same Third Way terminology that you warned about in your book, e.g., "pragmatism?"

Buck....
Name-calling your 'fellow' conservatives as Neo-Cons does nothing to improve the debate on the wisdom or lack-there-of in voting for McCain as the lesser of two evils! It does however lessen any respect some may have had for you. Your starting to sound like the loony liberals when they can't win an argument on the facts or the merits of their position.

The facts: We will have either the Republican presidential nominee or the Democrat presidential nominee as our next commander in chief! One 'might' turn out to be a disappointment, ....but the other, in all likelihood, will usher in disastrous and irreversible consequences for the country, ....for decades or longer!

Wendy....
Nice try but no rubber ducky!

Your argument that the Supreme Court nomination "sums up the entire argument of the McCain supporters. A singular promise." is not quite accurate.

I had not been a McCain supporter until it was a forgone conclusion that he would be the Republican nominee. There are a number of other issues at stake in the outcome of the presidential race, including but not limited taxes issues; abortion issues; the strength of our military complex and the war on terrorism; the continued autonomy to make decisions based on our own national self-interests ...apart from dictates of the UN.

The main reason to vote for McCain as the 'lesser' of two evils is the position and intentions of both Hilary and Obama on all these issues and much more. On every issue that you may want to point at where McCain shares some positions on with them ....there positions are far more extreme and have far more disastrous consequences to all of us.

So McCain 'MUST' give you personal assurances before he has your vote, eh? You anti-McCain fanatics are sounding more and more like your liberal counterparts every day! I despise several positions that McCain has taken n some issues in the past and I'm not particularly enamored with his bad disposition ...but ....I will not throw reason and logic out the window in order to 'take 'my bat and ball' home and not play the game ...just because I don't get everything my way like many of those ...like yourself ..seem to be hell bent on doing.

Earlier this week, there one of your 'group' came remarkably close to sounding like Jeremiah Wright ...and his "G__ D___ America" rant!

ex-Wyomingite...
Thanks buddy! I've noticed we think alike on many issues.

It greatly saddens me when I read posts from self-proclaimed conservatives like Wendy, Buck, and others like them. The phrase 'cutting your nose off to spite your face' constantly comes to mind ....and I have mental flashes of spoiled little 2 year olds throwing themselves on the floor, kicking their feet and screaming at the top of their lungs!

I guess the best thing would be to ignore them but there's a glimmer of hope inside me that motivates me to attempt to say something that just might 'shock' them to their senses.

They really do seem angry and bitter ...and apparently, to me anyway, aren't turning to their religion for guidance and wisdom in their life-altering decisions.

It's ironic that they seem not to fit into Obama's 'bitter people turning to religion' analysis ...yet contrary to his lament ...will in all probability (if they don't come to their senses) ...be an asset to his quest for power!

not going to tell you
Maybe he just doesn't like idiots that keep their cap locks on!

ngtty
And who refer to a 3nd rate anything. That would be the "r" key you're seeking....

Mc Cain Supporters take heart
I am encouraged by the polling that shows how many Dems/Inds will vote for McCain, esp. Dems who will only support the candidate of their choice.

Though I am admire the determination to fight for conservative principles posters intend to express when they refuse to vote for McCain, it seems an illogical method of warfare!!

I like to hope that they will reconsider this mishandling of one of our most precious rights/responsiblities as citizens of the greatest country the world has ever known (that would of course be, the vote!) once the choices are staring them in the face on November 4th, 2008.

Obama vs. McCain

Hillary vs. McCain

At this time in our country's history, will you really sit at home, given these options?

Remember, it was Ronald Reagan who set the policy to vote for the most conservative candidate with the best possibility of winning! Losers don't get to lead the country in a more conservative direction. Losers don't appoint SC justices!

It seems most logical to me that ESPECIALLY if you consider yourself a principled conservative you would choose to vote and choose McCain, given as I said, the time in our history and the lousy (not just lesser of evils) alternative (whichever Dem wins the primary!) choice we will have!




Buck
You say "we certainly owe the nation better."

Who is running for president, who will be on the ballot, who has a chance of WINNING and actually BECOMING PRESIDENT who is more conservative than John McCain?

Would that be Barak Obama?

Hillary Clinton?

Anyone?

Anyone?

Photogbill & Momlady
I don't remember conversing with either of you before but thanks for the back-up. I like both of your styles.

wendy and photogbill
So, is it ok with your that Goldberg is such a coward that he actually stoops to censoring comments on his blog? Is that even remotely ok? Seems ironically 3rd Reich to me.


momlady
Your efforts are gallant but your using far to much common sense and logic to reach the likes of Buck!

The simple fact is that it's nearly impossible to have sound judgement or to make good decisions, as long as your filled with rage like he is!

It's also obvious that he exhibits his own brand of self-righteous 'conservative elitism' that most of us find so repugnant in liberal elitists...but he's so blinded by his rage ...that he can't even see it!

eastlake joe
I remember before the Rep. nomination was sewn up I felt soooo alone posting anything positive about McCain. It's nice to have company!

photogbill
LOL!!

Maybe Buck & co. have the right idea. Maybe I'm just "not Conservative enough."

Enough for what? To prefer "surviving Hillary"?

How does that give one superior conservative cred?


Buck
LOL!! You're a SCREAM!

Momlady
I just fear what will happen to our country if LIB.INC.(B.O & H.R.C.) get in. I love and fought for this country and I hate what has happened to just in the last ten to fifteen years. I'd like to leave my kids at least a little of what I had when I was young.

eastlake joe
What else do you want?

Another lesser of two evils with McCain is the old frog in the boiling water story. The GOP is not the future of freedom, only a slow ride into the new world order, guaranteed.

We will never break the hold on power the two parties have if we keep giving them reasons to believe they are invulnerable.

I cannot and will not vote for these anti-Constitution internationalists ever again. Visiy my website where I explain this concept in a lot more detail, - JOEOLIVAFORPRESIDENT.ORG

Buck
Me thinks thee hath inbibed a fray too much.

eastlake joe
Thanks! I've been off work recovering from some surgery, so I have been posting a little often, the last week or so.

At the risk of sounding like a kiss-@$$ ...I've been very impressed, inspired, and humbled by numerous TH conservative regulars myself. Their depth of knowledge and experience on a variety of issues and subjects is very impressive ....not to down-play their ability to use facts and sound judgements to argue or defend their conservative beliefs and principles.

I'm even thankful for the resident loony liberals like Robert, Kimberly, Phylo Se Fiser, Proud Liberal, and a few more add comic relief to the threads. It's funny to watch them get hoisted on their own petard ...so to speak by so many of my fellow TH conservatives.

Buck
See, what you don't understand is on certain things like scamnesty, WE made them listen and WE can do it again. McCain is weak enough to listen to people in government that are in danger of losing their jobs. WE can make them feel that type of pinch! WE have that power!

Yoo or you
That is the question.

Buck..
Careful dude...you're gonna have a stroke if you keep that blood pressure up this high much longer!

I, to a small degree, applaud your dedication to principle and to a higher degree, your determination to elect sound conservatives in the lower political offices ....
....but I don't share your delusional belief that conservatism will somehow come out in a better position, four year from now ...and after a presidential 'reign' by one of the most dedicated Marxist that has ever run for the presidency in our entire history ...whether it's under either Hillary or Obama!

Your rude and condescending comments to anyone who doesn't share your beliefs is not admirable in the least. If your intending on wining friends and influencing people (to your way of thinking) ....your bad temper and bad manners are working against you!

Now..if this is as someone else suspected..that you've been hitting the sauce...and maybe it's the booze talking! Maybe you need to sober up and come back when you can behave!

Although you claim to be a 'real conservative' ...you sound more and more like a delusional libertarian with each new post!

Buck....You've crossed the line DUD!
Stop trying to bully people that don't agree with your illogical point of view. You like calling people names...here's one you can wear with pride ....Jack@$$! I'm sure your familiar with the word. It's probably your middle name!

Big tough guy, being rude to and picking on 'momlady' I guess that makes you feel 'real' proud of yourself?

ex wyomingite
Because it was there this morning and there are responses to it here (see Anna Puna at 9:17 AM today if you are interested).

I am stunned that comments are censored out of this blog - especially since I wrote nothing offensive.

What do you think about this?

Buck
You give conservatism a bad name. You call yourself a 'real' conservative but in actuality your thug-like behavior and bullying tactics resemble fascism more than conservatism!

How many people are you planning to threaten to beat up ...as in your 10:12 PM post to eastlake joe ...in order to have things your way?

Here's an idea for you genius! You think your so smart and that everyone that disagrees with you is 'Stupid'?...why don't you run for political office yourself? I'm sure with your even temper, charm and great communication skills ...you'd win in a landslide! ...in 1940's Nazi Germany!

Buck
You don't deserve mine or anybody elses respect! Period!

Trust me on this one...I don't want your 'friendship'!

Goldberg Plays the Rubes
STEVENS, J., filed an opinion concurring in the
judgment.
Full quote: "In sum, just as Justice White ultimately based his conclusion
in Furman on his extensive exposure to countless
cases for which death is the authorized penalty, I have relied on my own experience in reaching the conclusion that the imposition of the death penalty represents “the pointless and needless extinction of life with only marginal
contributions to any discernible social or public purposes.A penalty with such negligible returns to the State [is]patently excessive and cruel and unusual punishment violative of the Eighth Amendment.” Furman, 408 U. S.,
at 312 (White, J., concurring). 19

Stevens goes on to say:"The conclusion that I have reached with regard to the
constitutionality of the death penalty itself makes my decision in this case particularly difficult. It does not,however, justify a refusal to respect precedents that remaina part of our law.+

Buck
Your really hurting my feelings! Please ...please be my friend! ...LOL

And calling me Photo Hog really hurts! I'm sure that you made 'momlady' cry to when you referred to her as 'Mr. momlady' & 'Mrs. Photo Hog' (hmmm...must have a fasination with pigs) ....and you probably made 'eastlake joe' feel bad when you called him 'East End Of A Westbound Horse'.

Your just a warm and fuzzy guy, aren't you? Loved by everyone, I'm sure! We are the bad guys ...not you! We didn't give you, your proper respect! I can see the error of my ways now .....please be my friend!

Buck
Here's a bulletin for you:

You have my 'permission' to vote for anybody you d@mn well please ....or nobody at all. I couldn't give a rats @ss!

But don't expect to come on here all self-righteous like, calling people Stupid and other petty names ...simply because they have a different perspective than yourself ...and expect everyone tell you how brilliant you are ....


Buck
Were you addressing me? I thought I was Photo Hog?....LOL

In case you were referring to me ...I'll bet that the good Colonel Manion is proud to have you on his side!

You really are full of yourself! Do you use steroids ...by any chance?

Buck
Just curious...not that it's any of my business ...but who do you think Colonel Tom Manion will be voting for this November?

Is he part of your 'We' you keep mentioning? Are you an official part of his election committee? A volunteer staff worker?..maybe?

For his sake, I hope not since I usually vote a straight Republican ticket!

Will be hard to top this ...
Buck writes:
"Holy Pig Pork,Photo Hog !
Hey,you got out of your sick bed to write this drivel.Get better real soon and maybe you'll stop your blathering.Good Lord,if guys like you and Wobbie The Wave are the spokesman for John Sidney McCain,he's freakin' Toast.You better let someone else handle the heavy liftin'.Obviously,you're still sick.You're an imbecile!
P.S.What's the matter,don't you eat pork? Hmmmm! Neo-Con...doesn't like pork.......Hmmmm !"

No comment! Your last post speaks for itself!

photogbill
Ah thank yew evah so much for defendin' mah honor! I HAVE always depended on the kindness of true gentl'man! (slight variation on Blanche DuBois from Streetcar Named Desire for anyone who didn't already know.)

That awful Buck sho' nuff did hurt my sensitive feelins!

LOL

photogbill you're hilarious!

I've been off post to play Scrabble w/2 of my 4 kids so I don't have time to worry about the likes of Buck.

It's been fun reading your exchanges, however.

momlady
Thanks doll! Buck is like the 'gift' that keeps on giving!...LOL

eastlake joe
Thank you for your service to our great country.

And thank you for your respectful and insightful posts.

Figures a serviceman would add some wisdom and class to the discussion.

Reminds me--if anybody's interested: One of the first things that got me considering McCain seriously was hearing a soldier calling in on the Laura Ingraham show saying he would "crawl over broken glass to vote for John McCain." Seems to me that in times like these, that should get some attention--even from, perhaps especially from--the "True Conservatives."


momlady
Your makin me jeolous!....LOL

I was US Army ..served in the 1st Cav in Nam.

Can I get a hug too?....;)

momlady
Don't look now...but me thinks ole Buck is an anti-Semite!

I'm a firm believer in the 'give them enough rope...and they'll hang themselves' principle!

Like I said....'the gift that keeps on giving'!

LOL

photogbill
Since I know you could not possibly be flirting with a middle aged mother of four who spends Friday night playing Scrabble....

Seriously, there are no words. I'm 44. When I think of somebody who served in Vietnam, I think of a true patriot who was so underappreciated (to say the least)....I also tend to think of someone who is embittered in a wheelchair, suffering PTSD and homeless thanks to the edutainment my generation was treated to in the 70's....

My mother was married three times including my dad (her 3rd, the only one who wasn't in the military; he did civilian duty as a pilot during WW2) Her first husband was killed in a training accident. Her second was a vet of WW2; their marriage didn't survive....Her dad was a lifer in the Coast Guard and she grew up all over, but family was based in coastal NC. Marines everywhere! My mom was a big fan and one of the most patriotic people I've ever known. It has been almost a year since she died and this "conversation" is bringing her to mind....I am thankful that she passed on those gifts to
me--appreciation of our country and those who fight to preserve it.

Sincerest thanks to you and any other posters who have served in the military.

And I'm really glad you're not an embittered homeless guy in a wheelchair with ptsd! Thanks for all the laughs tonight!


photogbill
Yes, Buck is totally the gift that keeps on giving!

He says he doesn't drink. Assuming he's telling the truth, I think it may be time he started!!

Might take the edge off!

Buck
You're just weird.

Is there a DR. in the house?
Maybe Buck can explain what he 'really' was trying to say by all the following references to pigs, hogs and pork.

Buck's little gems of eloquence:

- Buck addressing 'momlady':
"Mrs. Photo Hog !"

- Buck addressing me:
"Holy Pig Pork,Photo Hog !"

- I think maybe Buck is implying that he thinks I'm a 'Jewish' Neo-Con here:
"What's the matter,don't you eat pork? Hmmmm! Neo-Con...doesn't like pork.......Hmmmm !"

- more of Buck's derogatory implication that I'm Jewish here:
"Guess ,you won't want to come to the Pig Roast.A fun time will be had by all! We can make you a Lamb Stew or somethin'. We're flexible."

- and ...I suppose since Buck seems to think I'm Jewish ...therefore, I must hate Catholics here:
"You got a problem with Catholics?
Holy Ham, I'll have to ask my friends if they think I'm an Anti-Semite."

Now what on earth would have made me think that Buck was an Anti-Semite?





momlady
Again ...your too kind! I think 'weird' is a far to gentle assessment!

Just for the record....
...and for inquiring minds. It was Buck that initiated the entire 'pig, pork, and hog' references.

I plead guilty to introducing the words 'fascism' and suggesting that Buck could of won an election in 1940's Nazi Germany!


and...
All of Buck's quotes which I posted in my Saturday, April, 19, 2008 1:29 AM reply except the last one he made referencing Catholics ...were made 'before' I came to the belief that Buck ...just 'might' be ...just a weeeeee bit Anti-Semitic!

How dare I!?

Buck
I'm sure you'd like to believe that ....but I think I'll get another opinion, just the same!

Oh....and Buck I really do love Lamb Stew ...thanks for the earlier 'offer' ...but I'd prefer a Rack of Lamb, cooked medium rare, with a baked potato and lots of butter!

Buck
I'm still waiting for you to 'attempt' an explanation to all the 'pigs, hogs, and pork' references you made, tough guy! ....oh and maybe you could throw in an explanation to the Lamb Stew reference when you get a chance!

I'm sure it will be interesting reading!

I guess your earlier "Allahu Akbar" and now your "Anti-Muslim Bigot" accusation fits in nicely with all your other eloquent points!

Your truly one of a kind, at least I hope that is the case!

Buck
Obviously your too dense to realize that you lost the 'mouth fight' about 3 hours ago. And I really can't take too much credit for it, you did most of the damage to yourself!

I should have cut Jefferson's commentary
Oh, yes. It's in an article in my latest New Yorker. Well, just because Jefferson said it, it doesn't mean that it's true. But, by the same standard, just because Goldburg said it, it doesn't mean that it's true.

Jefferson said (if I remember correctly) that law should change as the human mind becomes more informed. That tieing oneself (or a nation) to a constitution is slavery for the succeeding generations. Jefferson agrees wholeheartedly with me.

Goldburg writes as if his position (his bias) is settled morality, process, what can you call what he is talking about other than "slavery." It's settled slavery.

Obama's right. We need judges with a heart; judges that consider their decisions in the light of society as a whole, rather than narrow, doctrinal, authoritarian ideology.

It is the height of conceit for Goldburg, Alito, et. al. to deceive themselves into believing that they are not being blindly ideological.

Buck
First you addressed me as Photo Hog ....then Photo Mat ....then back to Photo Hog ....then Holy Pig Pork,Photo Hog ....now Lambchop ...all coupled with lots of 'pig, pork and hogs' blather in between ....not to mention the Lamb Stew reference!

I was going to clue you in last night but I was having too much fun watching you make a fool of yourself. I think that I've 'given you enough rope to hang yourself' ....so without further ado ...

I'm not Jewish!

What a pity to spoil all your "locker room rankin?"


Photogbill
Even if you were jewish it wouldn't make a difference to me as my daughter is at a friends house celebrating one of their jewish hloidays as we speak. I would rather spend time talking to you than a biggot who thinks by name dropping and mentioning things he likely doesn't really have that he's going to impress someone.

Thanks Joe
It appears that Buck may be more than just an angry, rude, condescending, and sanctimonious bully.

He brags of himself as being a 'true' conservative but his disrespect, contempt, and intolerance towards those that disagree with his 'delusional' plans to 'cleanse' the Republican party and 'create' a brave new and 'pure' conservative party show that he has more in common with the liberal Marxists on the left ...than conservatism!

Why is the Supreme Court wayward?
Without any need for a constitutional amendment, Congress has the power to:

-Limit the terms of all federal judges, including the Supreme Court

-Limit or alter the jurisdiction of the judiciary

-eliminate all federal courts with the exception of the Supreme Court

Congress refuses to rein in the court. The court is out of control because Congress, the President, the states, and the public have allowed it.

Further, why are we obligated to the Supreme Court anyway? If the Supreme Court disregards the constitution, why can't the nation disregard the Supreme Court's rulings?

Seriously, what would happen if a state ignored a ruling to spare a condemned criminal and executed him anyway?
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