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Wednesday, December 05, 2007
Jonah Goldberg :: Townhall.com Columnist
Romney's JFK Moment
by Jonah Goldberg
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Washington is atwitter. Mitt Romney will give a "JFK speech" Thursday accounting for his Mormonism the way then-Sen. John F. Kennedy dealt with his Catholicism in 1960. Political junkies just love Kennedy nostalgia. So profound is the Kennedy cargo cult that Michael Dukakis - who was as much a reincarnation of JFK as Weird Al Yankovic is of Frank Sinatra - tapped Texas Sen. Lloyd Bentsen as his 1988 running mate because he believed it would revive the "Boston-Austin" axis of the JFK-LBJ ticket. Recalling the electricity and verve of that Democratic ticket, who among us can deny Dukakis' wisdom?

Such are the dangers of political nostalgia, which often drives candidates to repeat history as farce.

Until recently, Romney was rightly reluctant to give a "JFK speech." He seemed to understand that JFK's 1960 address to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association has become the stuff of legend and any effort to match it would come up short. "I probably could never do something that would compare to what John F. Kennedy did," Romney said in October. "His was a masterpiece in American political history."

Well, now the former Massachusetts governor is going to talk about "faith in America," and in Texas no less. We don't know what he'll say, but it's easy to guess why he's saying it: Mike Huckabee. The Southern Baptist minister and former Arkansas governor is leading in Iowa polls, scuttling Romney's plan to use a victory there as a springboard to the nomination. Huckabee's charm, skill and socially conservative record explain much of his success. And Romney's Olympian hair, hypnotic teeth, squishy record and yacht-salesman demeanor are all important factors in why he can't seal the deal with some Iowa voters.

But there's another factor: Romney's heresy. I don't mean this in a pejorative sense, though others do. Mormonism is seen as a non-Christian cult by many conservative Christians, and a Romney nomination or presidency, they fear (I don't), would serve to advance the mainstreaming of Mormonism. In fairness, the Christian right is no monolith, and Romney has many religious conservatives in his corner. If Huckabee weren't in the race, he'd have more.

Still, Romney is marching into a theological headwind the other candidates aren't. It's not a question of "Mormon public policy." Some of the most effective conservatives in Washington are Mormons. What rankles is the widespread characterization - mischaracterization in their eyes - of Mormonism as merely another denomination of Christianity. Phrases like "a stronghold of Satan's" (applied to Utah) and "false prophecy" (applied to the "cult") get bandied about in some circles. Others are coldly analytical; a Mormon president, they correctly adduce, would only aid the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' remarkable success at proselytizing at home and abroad.

How can Romney address this concern? It's not like he could - or should - say he's no Mormon role model. And talking theology at all is only likely to exacerbate his problem with the voters who care about it, i.e. the voters he needs.

In 1960, Catholics numbered somewhere between a quarter and a third of the electorate, politically dominating some states. Today, Mormons amount to roughly 2 percent, and most are concentrated in or around Utah. In many primary contests, Kennedy's Catholicism was an asset. In Wisconsin's open primary, many GOP Catholics crossed party lines, securing Kennedy's victory over Hubert Humphrey. Mormon Democrats for Romney are unlikely to have a similar impact.

Also, in 1960, Kennedy tackled his version of the "religion issue" head-on in the primaries but delivered "The Speech" only after securing the nomination. He pledged to uphold a severe separation of church and state.

So far, Romney's stance has been much more akin to that of 1928 Democratic nominee Al Smith, who largely refused to discuss his faith. Smith's loss was a complicated affair, with anti-Catholic bigotry part of the equation. But his defeat also owed to the fact that he opposed Prohibition (God bless him) - alleged proof Smith that was a pawn of the anti-Prohibition Catholic Church.

There's nothing like that going on today. Indeed, the people Romney needs to win over believe that there should be more, not less, room for religion in public life. He won't gain votes by calling them bigots - no matter how gently - either. And the last thing Romney can afford to do is backpedal on his religious faith. That would be a flip-flop too far.

What he needs to do is reject the Kennedy comparison entirely and sell his candidacy on its own merits. Electability is still more important than theology to most Republicans, and that's where he should take his stand. Instead, he's heading to Texas to play a game he can't win.

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Book of Mormon: Racist, not just a cult
With all due respect, thanks for yet another “white version” of why Romney’s Mormonism shouldn’t matter. The media doesn’t seem to pick up on the fact there’s overt RACISM in the Book of Mormon itself—and how that makes people of color feel watching this being swept aside as “no big deal.” Perhaps these pundits are ignorant to that fact or perhaps because they are white it doesn’t bother them. A very large portion of the Evangelical Christians are black and people of color. Christians don’t only denounce Mormonism because it is a cult, more specifically it’s because the Book of Mormon, which Mormons consider their “bible,” STILL contains overt racist “scriptures” against people with “dark skin.”

The Book of Mormon that Romney believes and supports, states that God curses certain individuals with dark skin; the races are determined by how worthy individuals were prior to this mortal life; and blacks were not as faithful in their first estate; that God cursed people with dark skin to keep them from interbreeding with their white brethren; and that God blessed some who repented with white skin. Nothing concerning the revelation in 1978 to give "all worthy males members" the priesthood invalidates or denounces those racist beliefs.

SOURCES: (Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation 1:61-7; McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 527-8; Alma 3:6-9; 2 Ne. 5:21-4; and 3 Ne. 2:14-6).
http://www.mormoninfo.org/ MORMON RACIST DOCTRINE: http://www.realmormonhistory.com/god&skin.htm

Now, if Romney were to denounce the Book of Mormon, that would be a different story.

So next time you report on why Evangelical Christians don’t accept Romney due to his Mormonism, be sure to include one of the biggest reasons: RACISM in the Book of Mormon. Otherwise, you’re just not reporting the whole truth.

Romney can win this game
It aint that hard. He talks of the faith that fills him with hope and a bright future for America then shows policies that reflect optimistic oportunity its all good.

He starts talkin about the details of Mormanism, for that matter any religion and trying to qualify his beliefs and how the're legitimate then yeah it does him no good.

People dont care your faith as much as they care about how that gives you hope and principle to have vision and policy that potentialy brightens our future.

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Winning Game
Romney will not get off into the quagmire of doctrinal differences. He may quote the founding fathers and their ideas on Deity and launch into religious freedom.

He will give a much different speech than the one that Kennedy gave. This speech is about topping Hucks debate performance and grabbing the stage and the news cycle until Huck can be reeled in.

Romney will wrap himself in the Constitution and talk to the reasonable Protestants and also to the Catholics. With Rudy slipping badly on scandal Romney will try to pick up votes from the middle and the left to offset Huck's gains on the extreme right.

He needs enough votes in IA to let his GOTV beat Huck. He needs enough votes to balance Huck against Fred in the South. He needs every voter who does not base their vote on religion alone and he is going after them and going to get them as Huck is now the "Christian Candidate". However, Huckabee's version of Christianity is not most Christian's version.

It will be separation of Church and State vs Huck's own personal version of Christianity. Huck disagrees with other Baptist Ministers and politicians. Romney can get half of the Baptists eventually.

MoniQue
The Book of Mormon is racist? I guess that would explain why there are about the same number of Spanish speaking Mormons as English speaking ones.

And the church recently built a chapel in Harlem. They only build chapels where they have enough members to support them. Why do Mormon missionaries live and serve in inner city neighborhoods and in many countries in Africa? Because they believe everyone is a child of God and deserves to hear His word. This is an act of love, not racism.

Also, there are numerous examples in the Book of Mormon where the dark skinned people were the righteous ones favored by God over their white counterparts. Is this reverse racism or just God blessing those that follow His commandments?




The Book of Mormon and race
MoniQue is correct. I once decided to read the Book of Mormon to see what it said. I turned "randomly" (God was saving me time?) to a passage that said people with dark skin were cursed as a result of what they did in a former life. I snapped the book shut; I had read enough.

Racism
Ruth, where exactly did you read that in the Book of Mormon?


Richard
http://www.blogusablog.com

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It doesn't matter
It doesn't matter if Romney gives this speech or not. Huckabee's campaign will reach it's tipping point later this week. It's not just about Iowa anymore, Huckabee is now tied for first place with Giuliani nationwide according to Rassmussen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODnQnbhJJkY

Romney & Illegal Immigrants?
Lawn work at Romney’s home still done by illegal immigrants

How big an issue will this be for Romney?

Ricardo Saenz, owner of the company that employed illegal immigrants, worked on Romney’s lawn recently.

By Maria Cramer and Maria Sacchetti, Globe Staff; and Connie Paige, Globe Correspondent

Standing on stage at a Republican debate on the Gulf Coast of Florida last week, Mitt Romney repeatedly lashed out at rival Rudy Giuliani for providing sanctuary to illegal immigrants in New York City.

Yet, the very next morning, on Thursday, at least two illegal immigrants stepped out of a hulking maroon pickup truck in the driveway of Romney’s Belmont house, then proceeded to spend several hours raking leaves, clearing debris from Romney’s tennis court, and loading the refuse back on to the truck.

In fact, their work was part of a regular pattern. Despite a Globe story in Dec. 2006 that highlighted Romney’s use of illegal immigrants to tend to his lawn, Romney continued to employ the same landscaping company – until today. The landscaping company, in turn, continued to employ illegal immigrants

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/lawn-work-at-romne ys-home-still-done-by-illegal-immigrants


Huckabee on Illegal Immigration
Huckabee is so much worse on illegal immigration than Romney is -- what does it matter if Romney did employ a company that hired illegals? Try googling Huckabee Illegal Immigration. The guy is scary on the subject.

He wants kids of illegals to have in-state tuition and a path to citizenship. With chain migration, that would legalize the parents who came here illegally, among others, making it a grand amnesty. He also thinks God is giving us a chance to atone for slavery of African Americans by doing something good for illegals. Please - is there any relationship of one to the other? Not to even mention the "God wants us to" aspect of it.

This guy is dangerous. I cannot understand why he, and not someone like Hunter, is the alternative to Giuliani. Huckabee is a big tax, nanny state, open borders freak, who happens to look and sound congenial while saying nothing or lying about what he did as Governor of Arkansas. The sooner he is gone from the race, the better.

Yeah,I remember...
...when the racist Morman governor of Massachusetts instituted segregation in his state by making blacks ride in the back of the bus.And I remember when he banned blacks from competing in the Winter Olympics in Idaho.(s).

Ya know,I don't give a crap what a candidates'religion is and I don't understand people who do!

Mitt,you are going to get my vote in the primarys,and hopefully, in the general election,with or without "The Speech".

Mormons and Race
First of all, one of the main reasons why Joseph Smith was hated in Missouri was because he was an Abolitionist. That really angered all of the Southern Baptist members of the KKK, which eventually lead to Smith’s death and the expulsion of Mormons from the state of MO by force.

I’ve read The Book of Mormon more than 20 times, and no where does it say that people were a dark skin color because of something they did in a former life. It does say this however:

2 Nephi 33 For none of these iniquities come of the Lord; for he doeth that which is good among the children of men; and he doeth nothing save it be plain unto the children of men; and he ainviteth them ball to ccome unto him and partake of his goodness; and he ddenieth none that come unto him, black and white, ebond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the fheathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile.

Lets see- When Jesus was on the earth, he only preached and taught the Jews- does that mean he was a Gentile-ist?
And all of the 12 Apostles were men (GASP!) Does that mean that he was sexist?

Mormons and Race II
If Mormons were such racists, how do you explain this?

http://www.blacklds.org/index.html

Mormons have done more for Africans than all of todays supposed “black activist” combined.
The Church helps them come unto Christ and improve their life.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2007/11/ 18/ST2007111801409.html?hpid=moreheadlines

Religion is such an easy target
You can go to the Bible, or to the Book of Mormon, or to the Koran and lift quotations to justify your position and your prejudices. Whether any of the lifted literal statements bear out in reality or in actual practice doesn't seem to matter.
It's also easy to look from the outside and find the practices or rituals of a given religion odd. Most of the time, those are gross misinterpretations based on the observer's ignorance of the actual meaning of that verse or practice signifies to those who understand it.
It's intellectually lazy and ignorant.

America = Merit
We don't judge you on your race.

We don't judge you on where you were taught (Creed).

And we don't judge you based on who your pastor, priest, bishop or minister is on Sunday. (religion).

You can judge someone based on those things if you'd like, but the founding fathers would take strong issue with you.

They wanted a country founded on something completely different - blind to your heritage, focused on your merits.

If you focus on Romney's merits...he crushes all the other Republican cantidates.

Huckabee's integrity
Has anyone out there been to one of Huckabee's
church meetings when as a Baptist minister he
supported and taught tolerance for those of other christian
faiths?

Because he's now hoping for the republican nomination,
he shouldn't be held accountable for what he said in the past,
especially since he's 'head to head' with a 'Mormon'.....gasp!
That media standard can only apply to non-Huckabee's.

But, alas, I've read that he is able to draw a fine-line between
what he thought and taught as a Baptist minister and what he will reveal now as a future president hopeful. He won't make a comment on anything related to this topic. Why? Because
no presidential hopeful is making bigoted comments about
another presidential hopeful's religion.

Integrity means adherence to a code of values, soundness, completeness....just wondering why Huckabee can't make a statement on this since he's not being paid to preach while he's
busy running for the nomination. "Does anyone out there have some q-tips?"

Dr. B
Excellent post. I wish people would just let this Mormon issue alone. He's a leader and patriot. He's a honorable father and husband. His integrity is sound. Merits and merits alone, people.

As far as the LDS faith, there are several means to find answers: LDS.org, LDS missionaries, or your LDS neighbor. I suggest you start there before you seek out anti-mormon literature, most of which is written by ex-members. Would you trust a person who just got fired or quit a job to tell you about the business, or would you ask someone who's still working there? Or how about the best source of truth, our Father in Heaven? He promises to answer our prayers. Enough said.

WHY
Why is he considered top tier anymore, hes loosing Iowa after pumping millions in, hes only supported by 9-10% Ron Paul is up to 7-8%. Im not saying Ron Paul is top tier, but Romney needs to pack it in.
The People Don't Like Him.
How is a man who cant get 10% going to take the country. Yes Kerry had 4% now, but Romney is falling and Ron Paul and Huckabee and even Mccain are rising. Rudy dropped a lot but is tied for first. Thompson hasn't dropped as fast or hard as Romney. Though he will. Thompson just doesn't want to run, hes as excited as a dead frog on a log. Romney will not be president. Thompson acts like he doesn't want to be president. Nothing against the man but he doesn't at like he wants it.

But why do people think a Flip Flopping North East Republican who has 9-10% support in his own party, can ever beat a Flip Flopping North East Democrat who gets 35-45% support from her party.

Can we really beat Hillery by throwing someone like her into the election? Romney and Guliani are the same liberal NE lying politician she is.

So WHY do people still act like hes got a shot in hell? Money? Lets get Warren Buffet! or Ross Perot. End result Rmoney looses Iowa and hes got less of a chance the Ron Paul to win the election. Why? Rmoney wins NH and no one cares, he then looses every other state. Paul Wins NH and its the 92 Clinton underdog idea. Their statistically even in the polls. And have been so for a while considering the 5% spread. Face it this guy is toast. His JFK Speech will be his Dean Scream.

Huckabee's Son Arrested
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=3085058

Oh as a secondary point
The only thing about Romney being a Mormon that would disturb me as far as politically is IF he believed in the "King Follett Discourse" specifically the idea of
"And when I get to my kingdom, I shall present it to my Father, so that he may obtain kingdom upon kingdom, and it will exalt him in glory. He will then take a higher exaltation, and I will take his place, and thereby become exalted myself."
I don't want anyone who thinks he can take god's place one day to be my president. Now I said IF, since I hope Mitt isn't that dumb. And Im sure Most Mormons don't believe that.

As far as doctrine I have a problem with he whole carnal birth of Jesus and calling Lucifer his brother, but none of that matters politically. Just like I could vote for a Catholic who believes in the pope being the representative of God. But I couldn't if he submitted to any command of the Pope. But Kennedy obviously made that clear that he wouldn't.

So I like my presidents with both feet on the ground. No planning on godhood. Luckily Hillery is a Methodist, that whole goddess complex would really fit her personality.

THE BIBLE SAYS

..... that God turned Lot's wife into a pillar of salt for looking back at the destruction of Sodom and Gomorah ...is Huckabee going to be asked to defend that? ...

.....Let's keep religion in Church and out of the White House .....COLOSSUS

Religion In Politics
I know next to nothing about the tenets of the Mormon faith. But the Mormons I know are for the most part decent, hard working people of above average intelligence and economic standing. So, what little I know about Mormons is positive. However, Romney has dismissed the FairTax out of hand, so he's not likely to get my support anytime soon.

Conversely, Huckabee's past as a Baptist minister is almost a deal-breaker for me, since I fear that it is the intent of the Christian right to impose their version on morality on the rest of us through the power of government. Nonetheless, Huckabee does support the FairTax, and consequently he would get my vote before Romney.

Neal Boortz has postulated that much of Huckabee's popularity in Iowa is due to his support for the FairTax. I hope that that proves to be the case, and I hope that the rest of the Republican field will see the light.

So, if Romney did get on board with the FairTax, his Mormon faith would not be an impediment for me.

Faith
If God by his very definition created the universe, then turning someone into salt or having a whale swallow them isn't that hard. Though it shouldn't have anything to do with our country or our elections. Kennedy was right, the places where religion would Overtly play into politics should be explained. The parts that don't shouldn't. Should Romney talk about it? well maybe he should maybe he shouldn't. Its for him to decide and American to judge come primary time.

but no religious Test
I haven't read them all, but a seek does not find any poster who has mentioned the following part of the Constitution.

Article VI
but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

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I know nothing about the religion Mormon, and don't intend to learn, but I have had Mormons as neighbors, fellow workers, customers, etc., and the only thing I can say about them is that anyone who I knew to be a Mormon, I also knew as a wonderful person.

Perien
I did not make a note of the location of that text. I just closed the book and threw it away.

A Sincere Cry
I wonder how our dear Founding Fathers would have held up under today's maniacal media.

Do you think they would be free from "scandal?"
Think again. Some of them might even appear downright debauched.
So why do we get so caught up in all this yellow press? (Wo)Men aren't perfect; never have been last time I checked.
Why can't we all just get along? (Sob.)
Media is the real hypocrite and demagogue. Beware!

Ruth, it's a shame you didn't write down the reference.

Richard
http://www.blogusablog.com


Why does Mitt have to do this?
Personally, I already like him, and don't need to have him explain his religion to me.

I am a "Born Again Christian," but Mr. Mitt has much more in common with me than Jimmuh Carter. If anyone remembers the Peanut Farmer's administration, the man talked insessantly about being a "Born Again Christian," and in fact the first time I ever heard the term was out of President Carter's mouth.

Yet Jimmuh was arguably the worst president in my memory.

I vote for President of the United States based on (1) Qualifications (2) Character (3) Values (4) Positions on the most important issues of the day, such as foreign policy, national security, the value of life, freedom of religion, taxes and fiscal responsibility.

When I look at Mr. Mitt on paper, I believe he has the goods: He knows how to govern a state, how to manage a business, and was able to save the Olympics when everything seemed out of control.

When I hear him speak, he can be fierce or gentlemanly, he demonstrates intelligence, wisdom and self control.

When I look at him, he looks "Presidential:" tall, handsome, lotsa hair...

The one thing that I would consider a flaw is a certain air of vulnerability, that makes me wonder from time-to-time if he is a people pleaser. It makes him seem younger than his years, and sometimes makes him seem less confident than his resume should imply.

But when he needs to stand up for himself, he can do it, and can take criticism, letting it roll off his back without seeming jaded.

I like Mitt, and have no fear that he is going to impose his religion on the rest of us. He is not running for pastor, he is running for President.

Ruth and Monique
Latter-day Saints (Mormons), Blacks, and the Issue of Race
Sunday, December 02, 2007 4:58 PM


What is the history of African-Americans and the Priesthood in the LDS Church?
Did Mormons used to think that blacks were of the devil?
More information...
Are Mormons racists?
Doesn't the Book of Mormon say that dark skinned people are evil and that they turn white when they repent? Why doesn't that happen today?
Were blacks denied the Priesthood because of a verse in the Book of Abraham?
Is it Mormon doctrine that descendants of Cain cannot hold the Priesthood? Does the Book of Abraham provide the reason why blacks couldn't hold the priesthood?
Is black skin a sign that people were unworthy in the pre-existence?
Other Thoughts: Christianity and Slavery
Why would blacks ever join your Church?

http://ibelieveinchrist.townhall.com/g/45ab136b-282b-4de0-9 dac-4e08547af4ce

Silicondoc- gee, that's a lot of vitriol
Whatever did Mitt do to get you so P.O.'d?- Get fooled by some illegal gardeners?!!!

I will bet you that you are using products and services that have illegals contribute to them in one way or another. Do you shop at Walmart, eat Tyson Chicken, or live in a new house?

Chances are that you have contributed to some illegal's lifestyle.

I don't hold you accountable for it: I blame our government, who look the other way when people sneak across the border, or when cheating companies hire cheaper illegal labor. I blame the Globalists who have made it increasingly more difficult to run a solvent business without cheating. I blame the private citizens who knowlingly hire illegal babysitters so that both parents can work.

Do I blame Mitt? I don't know the story, but he says he hired a gardening service not knowing they had illegal alien employees.

If you blame Mitt for this, then you better check all businesses you transact with, or you will make yourself a hypocrite.

Slick (Mormon) Mitt-ie
Mitt is no JFK.

I studied JFK. My father met JFK as an Officer, Bird Colonel in the Airforce; Mitt you are no JFK.

Fact is Mormons are not Christians. I'm OK with that but lets not pretend. The nice young men with white shirt, black pants, dark ties and magic underware that knock on my door and tell me about Jesus (and the latter day Saints) say, "Oh yes we are Christian".

Sorry there basic theology about Jesus is he was just one of many Jesus's in a long line, and in fact if you have enough kids and do all the Mormon Church says, you can too be a Jr. Jesus your self. I don't want a Person in the White House that thinks they can become GOD or Son of God. We already had on Moron with a Messianic complex.

Woman can not go to heaven unless they are married. And if they are spinsters they have a Spirit or ghost marriage to a dead man. Bottom line its a cult. Catholics have cult like dogma and theology that is not of the bible either. I am not throwing stones. JUST TELL THE TRUTH, We Mormons are not Christians. IM OK WITH THAT, JUST DONT Deceive!!!!

I don't pretend to know where the Anti-Christ will come from but the "Signs" are the beast will pretend and deceive by preaching they are God or with God when its really Satan. You decide. Mitt is either a good guy with his heart and soul in the right place or he's the Devil. Does he seem JUST TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE? He is the biggest FLIP FLOPPER OF ALL TIME FOR SURE. His opinion of himself and his family is one of superiority. Look at Marie Osmond, shes Mormon and obnoxious to beat the band. Harry Reed (D) is a Mormon and you hate him as well.

JetPilot: Mitt is not running for Pastor
he is running for President. Last time I looked, the President did not have veto power over whether or not I can get into heaven!

I agree that the Mormon religion is not the same as Christianity. However, there are also Christians that think that Catholics are not Christians because the pray to Mary and the Saints.

There is no National Pastor! The values of the Mormons are much closer to mine than the values of Shrillary or Jimmuh Carter, both of whom pretend to be Protestant Christians.

Jet Pilot - you are making yourself look
silly.

Mitt Romney does not have the mark of the Beast, so I think it is unlikely that he is the Antichrist.

And when you start picking on Marie Osmond... well you just look mean and silly.

Harry Reid is a jerk and a Mormon. So what? Teddy Kennedy is a jerk and a Catholic, but I still like Sean Hannity! Jimmuh Carter is a jerk, but I still like James Dobson.

jetpilot
You have no clue what you are talking about. You have no right whatsoever to define who is and who isnt a Christian, you are a twisted old Shia Evangelical that hates everything that doesnt fit inside your definition. Your definition of who is Christian is the same as Amadinajad defining who is Muslim.


jetpilot
Did your Dad aprove of JFK's extra-curricular, un-Christian adultery?

Hey baby, you've come a long way. Smokin, tokin, shootin, snortin, babes, oh my. Hey, as long as you believe in the Bible and Jesus is your Savior I guess that kind of activity is ok for heads of state and military personell.

Anything Romney does
...will gain votes. He simply needs exposure. Americans will see that he truly is the answer that they have been looking for. Sorry if he has grown and changed his mind on a few subjects. Unfortunately, no voter is going to find a candidate who has the same views he does for his entire life.

I prefer a candidate with some flexibility on issues. He is a conservative who has one big advantage over most others - he can communicate effectively, and that is necessary to get the press off of his back and with the program.

fine
mitt will do fine! probably every business in medium /large sized city in america has a tie into some illegal immigrants 13 million spread throughout the nation!how did the so called experts know that the people referred to mowing lawn reference...did they run up on the lawn pull a gun on them and frisked them? plus mitt like the other candidates.are on the road around the clock...something to think about..an accent
is a crime!? rudy publicly(huckabee also) said you all come! in fact mike wanted them to be able to vote now if you cant see the difference
your beyond reasonability..and may need a big dose of laxative! or your just plain stupid?after iowa...huckster will be a fading name.i live in calif. and know a heck of a lot more than most of you about illegal immigration unless you live in a border state..and its very bad..i have mexican friends over 50 years..and they came legally or were born here along time ago..thay are against illegal immigration..and so a am i...and rudy and mike are not the answer!
romney is the most qualified..not the only one ..but the most qualified!now remember to ask every business you deal with..dry cleaners, gas stations,food markets,everyone...do you have illegal immigrations here?de-illegration immigration will take time...but it will be done
and iam confident that romney will attack the problem...hopefully congress will co-operate!? it will be mostly democrats....that is scary! elvis

Silicondoc-knickers in a knot
Dear Sili,

You have a right to your opinion, but I want to point out that you seem P.O.ed out of proportion to the "crime."

Let's just say that I hope you never shop at Walmart without checking out the guys on the loading dock, eat at a restaurant without checking out the bus boys, or have an addition on your house without checking the papers of all the employees, not only those who work for the contractor, but for the manyfacturers of the materials.

I hope you never buy a suit of clothing without going to the factory and check for green cards, or buy a chicken at the market without going to the slaughter house to do the same.

We are over run with illegal aliens, and something has to be done about it.

I say we are all guilty, for our participation in the "race for the bottom," that encourages corporations to hire cheap illegal labor.

Mitt & Muffy
Says, after 25-30 years of marriage, he and his wife have never had an arguement. Never.

It's either a bolf-faced lie, or it's really really creepy.

OR he's changed the definition of 'arguement'. Haven't we had enough changing of definitions over the past seven years?

Futhermore, given the nature of our current 'enemy', shouldn't we put religion back behind the chapel doors and keep it out of the political discourse?

suzrose..poor soul
i know people who have been married for many years...and have never argued! they may stick their tongues at the other behind closed doors,etc. but never argue! suzrose...your just another jealous soul of the romneys!it highly possible that they have a super great marriage!
i know a couple that discussed everything you can discuss before they got married..they let each other know what they would not tolerate and what they liked before they got married..they dated for several years and they have never had an argument..and the wife is a little loose tongued..if they had them she would have told! what is to argue..they knew the ground rules before they got married!!!
as for religion.. if huckleberry preacher hadnt run an ad "iam a christian leader" there would be no mormon speech tommorrow! but people kept bugging him(mitt)"afraid to talk about your church,etc." so its here, and then on to other things! someone should ask huckster if he was calling john,mitt,rudy,paul,duncan,etc. non christians ?! elvis

Every religion
is susceptible to criticism, and every religion has adherents that have done terrible things. Few members of any religion believe or practice every tenent of the religion. Most religious people, Jews and Muslims, Christians and Hindus practice as best they can, the noble and enlightened portions of religious dogma. Unless i see evidence to the contrary, i will consider Mitt's religion a positive indication of charcter, as opposed to a condidate professing atheism. Having said that, i am planning to vote Hunter in the primary if i can. But if push comes to shove, i would prefer Mitt to Rudy as a candidate. Comparing the religious dogma of the LDS and Catholicism doesn't seem to apply to such moral comparison's as Rudy's and MItt's relative marriage performance

The Virtue Of A People Is Seen ...


... by the gratitude and charity they feel for all people. When others do not love us, Love them anyway. When people offend us foregive them any way. When people accuse you falsely, respect and speak kindly to them anyway, Because God in the end will reward us, by the way we live, and how we live with others, anyway.

It is better to endure persecution and offence than to offend. Is it not true that, as we sow we will reap many times multiplied? So let not one word, or expression be permitted to live if it does not glorify God or if it condemns his most precious creation.

Fore if we act not with faith, hope, and charity there is no reward from above, because without charity, albeit lurks from below.

Remember that all the ugliness we project dishonestly upon others will be returned to us many times multiplied.

5 ¶ Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
(Proverbs 3:5 - 6)

“Contend Not But Pursue A Steady Course”

Was Christ a Racist Because He Said ...
"I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel"

21 ¶ Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon.
22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.
(New Testament | Matthew 15:21 - 28)

"It is a hard thing to be a judge."

If Christians Can Not Live as Christians
... What then?

I have read a lot of bad press from the comments here. It is disturbing to see it taking place in real time.

I would not think the I could trust anyone who is so petty and false in their accusations, while not giving a shred of valid proof.

Is that the road to peace on earth good will to all men? So you say you want peace, when you do not walk the walk, or even talk the talk?

How will the rest of the world look upon us all?

LDS Racism- USMC Lt.
You requested chapter and verse:
2 Nephi 5:21
Pearl of Great Price Moses 5:16-41
" Moses 7:8,22
" Abraham 1:20-27
Mormon Doctrine by McConkie 2nd ed.1986, p 343
Book of Mormon Alma 3:6,9
" Mormon 5:15
2 Nephi 30:6- the original said those who were good would become white and delightsome. Later editions change the word "white" to "pure"- go look at earlier editions. (My copy was published in 1950.) Of course, there have been more than 2,000 revisions in the Book of Mormon, since its first publishing in the mid-1800's.

Prior to 1978 blacks could not have the "priesthood". 6/9/78 Spencer Kimball (President of the church) declared he had a revelation granting rights to those with dark skin.
Mormon Doctrine by McConkie 1958 ed. p 476-77
those less valiant in pre-existence were negroes
Read the General Conference Report Oct 1960, in Improvement Era Dec 1960, p932
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