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Wednesday, October 31, 2007
Jonah Goldberg :: Townhall.com Columnist
Conservatism's Buzzkill
by Jonah Goldberg
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Conservatives, much like liberals and independents — as well as anarchists, Marxists, flat-Earthers and every other creedal crowd — all think they’re right. It’s axiomatic: Why hold one position if you think another viewpoint is better? The trouble for conservatives, much like the problem faced by those other groups, is that their worldview isn’t overwhelmingly popular.

Oh, conservatism is more popular than a lot of things we call popular these days; more people call themselves conservatives than Red Sox fans, for instance. But the ideal conservative program of a federal government strictly limited to constitutional responsibilities and nothing else would fare miserably at the polls. Almost as badly as an ideal socialist program.

This point is difficult for political activists of either stripe to concede. After all, both sides are certain they have staked out the intellectually superior ground. So they fixate on tactics, packaging and spinning. A lot has been written, including by myself, about how liberals consider political strategy more important than ideas. But it’s worth noting that conservatives fall prey to such lines of thinking too, even as we take pride in our squabbles about liberty versus virtue.

This is one reason Republicans are so fixated on finding the next Ronald Reagan — someone who can articulate conservatism and carry 44 states doing it. Virtually every Republican debate so far has had moments that sound like the climax of “Spartacus,” with each candidate rising to proclaim, “I am the Gipper!”

The problem is that conservatism, even Reagan’s brand, wasn’t as popular as we often remember it. Government spending continued to increase under Reagan, albeit a bit more slowly. Today, the U.S. population is 30 percent larger but government spending is 84 percent greater (adjusting for inflation) than it was when Reagan delivered his 1981 inaugural address. That was the speech in which he declared: “In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem,” and vowed to “curb the size and influence of the federal establishment.”

In 1964, political psychologists Lloyd A. Free and Hadley Cantril famously asserted that Americans were ideologically conservative but operationally liberal. Americans loved Barry Goldwater’s rhetoric about yeoman individualism, but not if it meant taking away their Social Security checks or farm subsidies. “As long as Goldwater could talk ideology alone, he was high, wide and handsome,” Free and Cantril wrote. “But the moment he discussed issues and programs, he was finished.”

Goldwater went to Tennessee to blast the Tennessee Valley Authority, God bless him. That was like going to a brothel to denounce prostitution, or to Iowa to denounce ethanol — but I repeat myself. He carried only six states in the 1964 presidential election.

Liberals have an inherent advantage. As long as they promise incremental, “pragmatic” expansions of the government, voters generally give them a pass. And every new expansion since FDR and the New Deal has created a constituency for continued government largesse.

If Hillary Clinton promised to socialize medicine — which, let the record show, she has attempted to do in the past — she would lose. But her current campaign promise to simply expand coverage sounds reasonable enough — even though there’s no reason to think she’ll stop pushing for a national single-payer health-care system (a.k.a. socialized medicine).

“Liberals sell the welfare state one brick at a time, deflecting inquiries about the size and cost of the palace they’re building,” writes William Voegeli in an illuminating essay, “The Trouble with Limited Government,” in the current issue of the Claremont Review of Books.

Committed conservatives, meanwhile, find themselves at a disadvantage: They advocate smaller government for everybody — when Americans generally (including most Republicans) want smaller government for everybody but themselves.

Some conservatives respond to this dilemma with an “if you can’t beat ’em, join ’em” shrug. If voters don’t embrace limited government — which really just means self-government — then have them choose between a big government that does right-wing things and one that does left-wing things. Some of those people are called “compassionate conservatives.” Others seek comfort in the soothing irrelevance of purism and adopt libertarian candidates and causes that will never, ever win at the ballot box.

But there is another course for conservatives: Simply do what you can, where you can, including supporting the most conservative candidate who can win and succeed in office.

Meanwhile, writes Voegeli, it “makes sense for conservatives to attack liberalism where it is weakest, rather than where it is strongest.” Unlike the utopianisms of the left, conservatism is defined by an understanding that this life can never be made perfect. So you state your ideals and then you compromise when life gives you no other choice. Pry free the bricks you can, loosen the ones you can’t, and make peace with the ones you can’t budge, until you can.

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Predictable pablum from neo-con Goldberg
I really loved this line:

"Conservatives, much like liberals and independents — as well as anarchists, Marxists, flat-Earthers and every other creedal crowd — all think they’re right."

Comparing conservatives -- the real ones, not the fake Goldberg types -- to Marxists and other dingbats.

Man, the guy must be totally and pathetically desperate! That was a page right out of the Democrat activist playbook as typified by Hillary's "vast right-wing conspiracy", except this time Goldberg thinks he and the other GOP bobble-heads are the victims of the conspiracy.

What a simpering wimp. Pathetic.

Conservatives are right.
We don't just believe it, we know it. Every day, the government and liberals only validate that assertion, demonstrating their abject incompetence and their desire to control the lives of those they deem inferior.

Perhaps a platform of government strictly restrained by Constitutional limits is a bit of a buzzkill. This is because it's not the easy way; we're asking people to look to themselves and their own communities to guide their own lives. If you want your children to be educated, you should pay for it yourself! If you want health care, pay for it yourself! If you want a sound retirement, that's right, plan ahead and pay for it yourself! Don't demand that others pay it for you! That is theft, and is the height of selfishness and arrogance. This is a tough message to take, but in the end it is the best expression of individual freedom.

We've bore witness to the abject failures of both government and the liberalism that worships the capitol steps, and it's time that we all acknowledge that socialism is not only a bad policy, it is evil, and paves the way for a totalitarian regime.

This is the message that needs to be espoused over and over, but this alone won't be enough. The basis for this message must be reasserted, which is a Judeo-Christian one. A Third Great Awakening may be necessary for people to look to themselves an their own communities rather than the federal and state governments to solve problems. Read Dinesh D'Souza's latest book What's So Great About Christianity for an idea of what I'm talking about.


Goldberg misses the point ...
the problem isn't necessarily the people but the big money media oligarchs and corporations that have most of the wealth and have used it to buy off our two "mainstream" political parties. I definitely have a problem when someone like Ron Paul who advocates his principled stance on small government is treated to withering sucker punches from the neo-Con playbook by corporate shill Bill O'Reilly; who curiously enough for a "right wing" pundit has no problem inviting Kerry, Shrillary, Sharpton, et. al. on to his show and far from trashing them plays the "gracious host" because they were "brave" enough to come on "the Factor."


Conservatives who are right...
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...simply don't consider the Republican Party to be on our side any more.

Hell, it never started out to be. It began, back in the 19th Century, by co-opting the platform of the moribund Whig Party, and with the exception of the abolition of slavery, it's always been the faction advocating the dirigiste economic system of the "American Plan."

Which, doubtless, none of you Republicans know squat about, right?

Basically, the American Plan was a system of protective tariffs (to enable Big Business to screw the American consumer), road building and other "internal improvements" (to funnel tax money into pork projects), and a National Bank (to issue fiat currency, thereby debauching the dollar and causing inflation to further screw the average American citizen).

Apart from brief shining moments when men like Robert A. Taft (the "Mr. Republican" of the Taft-Hartley Labor Act) and Barry Goldwater rose to briefly dethrone the "Rockefeller Republicans" (like Richard Nixon and the entire Bush family), the Republican Party has *never* been a haven for conservatives.

And it sure as hell isnt a home for our cause right now.

Today, what we used to call "Rockefeller Republicans" back in my youth are referred to as RINOs.

"Republicans In Name Only."

But that's not really true, is it? They're the *real* "old line Republicans," faithful to the criminal corruption and supreme statism of the Grand Old Porkbarrel.

And would be even better characterized today as what they truly are.

Socialist Party "B"

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Wayfinder
What do you suggest for that which can't be paid for by the individual and is used by the many, like public transportation, roads, parks, fire and police protection, bridges, the courts, holiday decorations on commercial streets, the schools, flowers planted along highways, and emergency medical services like paramedics and ambulances? How about water treatment, sewage treatment, somebody testing the water at beaches to make sure it's safe to swim in? Somebody keeping track of epidemics? Somebody keeping track of the weather and warning us that a hurricane is coming? Somebody to collect animals that drop dead in the street? We no longer live on the frontier. Social cooperation is not Communism (as often charged on townhall)---it is civilization.

Conservatives are the worst hypocrites I have ever seen. They don't want to pay for anything, but they sure want the rest of us to pay for them. I notice that today on townhall there's an article about a statewide school voucher program in Utah that's about to be decided by voters. If it passes, Utah's children will receive vouchers which, if I understand this program correctly, will provide tuition assistance so they can attend the private or religious school of the parent's choice. If I am a Utah taxpayer, why should I pay for somebody's kid to go to private school? If he wants his kid at Country Day Prep or the Sunbeams for Jesus Christian Academy, let him pay the tuition himself. But conservatives are busting a gut to get just such a program in place. They stick their hands out like any welfare queen.

Ronald Reagan reminded us that we
really were conservatives after all, and that we weren't alone.

Besides that, he reminded us that we were patriots, that we loved the United States of America and always knew it was the best country that ever existed.

He was a focal point, a gathering place, where we could remember our American heritage and know that others felt as we did. It was an affirmation that had been withheld from us by the Liberal Press.

The REAL Buzz Killers

What's the "buzz?"

It is a real buzz to love your country, to sing the national anthem, salute the flag and root for her.

The "buzz kill" are the Leftie Losers, who despise our way of life, who tear down every hero, disparage the very founding of our nation, and hope that the United States loses the war and deminishes in power.

Why don't they just go back to turning on tuning in and dropping out?

Don't knock purism quite so hard...
"Purism" is just another word for "principle." Our principles define our vision of right and wrong; they imply our ultimate objectives and indicate the direction in which we wish to go.

A purist libertarian candidate for office might have no chance at the polls, but note how much of libertarian / classical-liberal thinking and principles the conservative movement has adopted these past fifty years! That's not because conservative thinkers articulated them, but because conservative luminaries such as William F. Buckley decided to embrace and popularize them after having been exposed to them by libertarian thinkers.

Positions developed at the margins of discussion are steadily co-opted by the center, as the ideas they espouse become palatable to larger numbers of people. That's what makes the Marxist Left so dangerous to America, and the libertarian Right so important to the future of conservatism.

Lilly
Lilly, conservatives aren't against most of the things you list on your rambling post -- just against the Federal government performing these functions. See there's this little document called the Constitution (you might have heard of it) that strictly limits the duties of the federal government. For everything else not specified as a Federal duty the powers lie with the states and the individual. That means that these things can't exist, just that the Federal government has no authority to take them on.

I love your term "social cooperation". I must confess that I have never heard this euphemism before. Is it cooperation if one is forced to pay for programs that they don't want or never use?

Leftie Lilly
*What do you suggest for that which can't be paid for by the individual and is used by the many, like public transportation, roads, parks, fire and police protection, bridges, the courts, holiday decorations on commercial streets, the schools, flowers planted along highways, and emergency medical services like paramedics and ambulances? How about water treatment, sewage treatment, somebody testing the water at beaches to make sure it's safe to swim in? Somebody keeping track of epidemics? Somebody keeping track of the weather and warning us that a hurricane is coming? Somebody to collect animals that drop dead in the street? We no longer live on the frontier. Social cooperation is not Communism (as often charged on townhall)---it is civilization.*

Out of this morass of Entitlements, the only things that ought to be provided by the Village are water and sewer treatment plants, police and fire protection. Everything else you list ought to be done by volunteers, private corporations, or properly brought up individuals. Social Cooperation has nothing to do with extracting cash from the unwilling and hiring union minions -- it has to do with teaching your brat not to drop his chewing gum on the floor of the subway train, or your Yuppie Boss to drop a half-empty Starbucks cup on the steps of the building as she comes to work in the morning. It also consists of teaching your child not to pick flowers or trample them, but to plant them and tend them and enjoy them from the sidewalk. In the new apartment complex where Mama and Daddy have just moved, two ladies have voluntarily and lovingly created a flower garden and provided three bird feeders. They have hospitably invited Mama to help with both and she is delighted. In Kanukistan, however, the union minions scream that they will file a grievance if volunteer old people care for the parks. Which would you consider Social Cooperation?

Conservatives who are right...
I always thought so ....

Treasonous Republican
What Reagan accomplished:

1)Instrumental in the defeat of the Soviet Union
2)Slowed the rate of growth of domestic spending
3)United the GOP, which unlike the Democrats, has a very diverse membership
4)Turned the Democratic South into a GOP bastion
5)Created 25 million new jobs while keeping inflation to 6%. (Inflation in 1981 was 14%, the Prime Interest Rate was 19%).
6)Strengthened NATO, and his DOD developed an entire new generation of weapons systems that protect us today.
7)Changed forever the relationship between capital, taxes, and stock ownership. In 1981, just 9% of stocks were owned by non-instutional investors; today it is over 50% thanks mainly to Ronald Reagan.

Lily
You write:

"If I am a Utah taxpayer, why should I pay for somebody's kid to go to private school?"

And I might ask, why should I continue to pay for very expensive, failed public schools? Most public schools spend $10,000 per pupil. At best, public schools are social daycare centers. At worst, they are havens for drug dealers, pimps, child molesters, and gang bangers, and child molesters.

A parent's moral obligation is to his children, and not to the State.


AudiR10, again a great post!
To the libdolts facts and experience mean nothing. If it sounds good, it must be good. No matter that it has been tried and proven to be a false hope and does more damage than good, it is a liberal "fact" that it sounds good, therefore it must be good! And they wonder why we call them looney!

Why we need vouchers
lilly said:
"If it passes, Utah's children will receive vouchers which, if I understand this program correctly, will provide tuition assistance so they can attend the private or religious school of the parent's choice. If I am a Utah taxpayer, why should I pay for somebody's kid to go to private school? If he wants his kid at Country Day Prep or the Sunbeams for Jesus Christian Academy, let him pay the tuition himself. But conservatives are busting a gut to get just such a program in place. They stick their hands out like any welfare queen. "

Without vouchers, your taxes go to leftist dominated public schools (probably your choice). The voucher money is not new money, it is the old money made available to the consumer rather thatn the monopoly. If parents want their children to go to public schools, they can send their voucher money there. It is about choice. It is about using the people's money (that's waht taxes are- not the government's money) the way the people want.

My townhall is different
My townhall must be different then everyone else’s today. I read the Column of Mr. Goldberg and had an entirely different take on the message, 180 degrees opposite of people like BrianR.

A brilliant analysis, that is blindingly obvious is that every thoughtful person thinks their reasoning is correct. Why be a conservative if you think that liberals are correct? Why be a communist if you think conservatives are correct. I am conservative and I know I am correct.

Now I am not an anarchist. And I believe everything that Lilly listed above is a reasonable action of Gov at some level but probably not Federal for many of the things. I definitely believe in limiting (but not eliminating) Gov spending. I have dedicated my entire adult life (I am 44) to upholding and defending the Constitution.

I believe Gov should do as little as possible when it comes to interfering in my liberty to do such things as pursue my inalienable rights and rights specified in the amendments to the Constitution.

The problem In the REAL WORLD, that Mr. Goldberg does an excellent job of illuminating, is that while I know these conservative values are right, others believe they are wrong. The question then is how to convince the majority of people that Conservatives are correct in our belief. He clearly states that if you take an extreme position on either side you won’t win the majority.

Once you have given someone a redistribution of someone else’s money as an entitlement, and a population of the people have become dependent on that, it is very difficult to get them to vote to give it up. Like Mr. Goldberg said, from a totally purist point most agree with taking away others benefits but not their own. The strategy he points out that can win is to then limit the growth of Gov entitlements because we will never ELIMINATE them.
5 stars!! Tinsldr2@yahoo.com

Rubbish
From 10/24/07, McClatchy
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/20767.html


WASHINGTON — George W. Bush, despite all his recent bravado about being an apostle of small government and budget-slashing, is the biggest spending president since Lyndon B. Johnson. In fact, he's arguably an even bigger spender than LBJ.

* * *


Take almost any yardstick and Bush generally exceeds the spending of his predecessors.

When adjusted for inflation, discretionary spending — or budget items that Congress and the president can control, including defense and domestic programs, but not entitlements such as Social Security and Medicare — shot up at an average annual rate of 5.3 percent during Bush’s first six years, Slivinski calculates.

That tops the 4.6 percent annual rate Johnson logged during his 1963-69 presidency. By these standards, Ronald Reagan was a tightwad; discretionary spending grew by only 1.9 percent a year on his watch.


END OF EXCERPT


Yes, Ronald Reagan spent a shade more than we would have ideally preferred, but overall, and in defiance of a House controlled by Democrats, he did a pretty good job of reining in spending.

W, on the other hand - with Republicans in control of Congress, no less - has outstripped them all. Phenomenal (and revolting). It has been a huge betrayal.

It didn't help, either, that columinists like Goldberg raised no objection to this madness over the past 6+ years. He and his establishment ilk were happily applauding the Bush administration instead. Until you own up to your own negligence and neglect, Jonah, you have no business preaching to the rest of us about the need to "compromise."

Great article by Goldberg.
Very astute analysis.

Free and Cantril's assertion that Americans are ideologically conservative but operationally liberal, is hard to refute.

Support a candidate who demands cuts in social security and medicare benefits and see how many national elections he wins.

Some conservatives may not like to hear the truth.

I believe it was Ayn Rand who said a person may choose to ignore reality(truth), but he cannot escape the consequences of ignoring reality.

I am conservative. And I think Goldberg is conservative. What he says may not be what we want to hear, but that does not mean it is not true.

Conservative candidates can still win, but with our ever increasing entitlement mentality, they must come up with innovative ideas that challenge the status-quo of big government entitlement mentality.

Alas, it is far easier critiquing the political landscape than with conceiving innovative solutions to limit, or better yet, reverse big government rapaciousness.

The Paradox
The conservative movement is more of a reaction to liberal politics, runaway spending, judicial activism, and university brain-washing.

The Paradox comes when they continue to ram liberal policies down our throats, continue to undermine our children in the schools, continue to override the will of the people with judicial legistation, and continue to treat our taxes like the lottery.

Time and time again, they (liberals) have moved towards socialism, moved towards humanistic religion, moved towards stretching the constitution to it's breaking point, have caused a serious backlash that triggered the rise of Ronald Reagan and the rise of the Republican Congress - as well as it's fall in 2006.

The people eventually fight back. But each time, some ground had been made. History shows we are steadily moving towards a very socialistic-type government. Certainly the left and Democrats push this form of government and are hell-bent in giving up our sovereignty in national treaties.

Meanwhile, the Republican Party continues to shift with the liberals, i.e. Guilliani, even GW Bush under the guise of compassionate conservatism has really grown government.

To much push from the Democrats will again cause a return to conservatism, a return to fiscal restraint, a return to values that made this country great. It's all a matter of how much damage to this country will be incurred till we see another rise of someone like Ronald Reagan.

Do You Want To Keep Your Country?

Securing the border and enforcing the law is the only way we get to keep our rule of law, our representative Republic, and our Constitution. We must elect a President who WILL secure the border and enforce the laws. If citizenship becomes meaningless, this will no longer be the United States of America.

If the GOP thinks they can continue to import cheap labor for their donors at the expense of the citizens, they will. I will not vote for that again. If we continue to play the game of "the other guy is worse", we will lose our country. Sorry, but I will not participate in that game any longer. The GOP power brokers think we will vote for "anybody but a Democrat" so they can continue to ignore securing the borders and enforcing the laws. I'm hoping GOP primary voters give the party elites some surprises in the primaries. The levers of power and the money in the GOP are all in the hands of the cheap labor express. They do not want Duncan Hunter as the candidate. He WOULD enforce the laws and secure the border. WE have to make him the nominee by voting in the primaries. We have to talk to our friends and neighbors about him. He is not going to get media coverage. It's going to have to be a grass roots effort. I WANT to vote for a GOP candidate in Nov.'08, I WILL NOT vote for any of the amnesty supporters. If it takes crushing the GOP so a new party representing American citizens can arise, so be it.

http://www.gohunter08.com

Finally, A Good Article
Well done. Finally a good article written by someone on Town Hall.


My mother use to say "you have to get your own house in order before you can go around trying to fix others" and she had the right of it I think.

Conservatives learned nothing from the 2006 election.

That's because Town Hall and right wing media only criticize liberals. There isn't even a pretense of getting their own house in order.

I came to Town Hall to make that point and to be about righting the ship.

In 1992 the Republican parted decided to overthrow Bill Clinton's presidency from day one.
Republicans started yammering for White Water investigations the day Clinton was elected.

Eventually he conceded in mid-1992 to allow them and Republicans kept trying various civil suits to overthrow him to the point of impeachment and trial in the Senate. Historians were flabbergasted in 1992 at the very notion of bringing civil suits against a sitting president for the purpose of removing him.

1.) Bill Clinton was the first president to have been under investigation all 8 years of office.
2.) Bill Clinton was the first president to have been sued in civil court.

By trying to overthrow a president for 8 years and almost succeeding, the Republican party fell from grace because Clinton was overthrown not for mistakes made during his presidency, but for politics.

The American people are not stupid, as Republicans treat them. Bill Clinton, according to the Pew Research Foundation, holds the record for the count of most negative newspaper articles written about a president yet his approval ratings were sometimes as high as 62% upto when he left office.

Republican motives for overthrowing Clinton were purely political. The hunt by Republican operatives for a Paula Jones started long before Clinton took oath. Republicans need to decide if the politics of personal destruction (Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Fox News) is all they are about in the publics eye.




Liberals and the Media
Is the media liberal?

You bet.

In a survey in 2002 the Pew Research Foundation asked that very question.

They took two approaches to answering the question.

1.) The interviewed journalists.
2.) They analyzed articles.

There were two primary findings:

1.) Journalists are liberal to the tune of 80 percent.

2.) More articles were written critical of Democrats than Republicans.

The conclusion was that liberal journalists were most concerned with holding Democratic politicians to Democratic standards. Makes sense to me. Why hold Republican politicians to Democratic standards?

Right Wing media needs to grow up and treat political media as something other than Entertainment. The American people are not stupid . Rush Limbaugh says he is in the entertainment business and he's the most popular political talk show host?

What does that reflect on the Republican party's respect for the American people?

Liberals, on the other hand, have NPR, which has a bigger audience than Rush, has a definite Liberal bias, but treats its subject matter as serious and not entertainment. If only Town Hall and right wing media would do the same.


being pragmatic
I think Goldberg is right for change. Conservatives can harp all they want about the Federal government but the fact remains the government is doing what it does at the behest of its citizenry. There is no way you could end Social Security, turn the interstate highway system over to private corporations, eliminate the Department of Education, close the, CDC, EPA, FDA or a host of other alphabet soup departments.

The same can be said for many leftist ideas: banning guns, socialist health care, stopping companies from outsourcing and much more.

Yes, there are areas where there is too much regulation but as we've seen with food safety and medical devices, there are areas where the government should seek more oversight. It's ok to be idealistic but I think being realistic is how things get accomplished.

RE: Drivebyposting
The reason the conservative media sounds and act the way it does is because it is geared on attacking liberals. It has no need for retrospect because they feel that they are 100% right on everything. There is no point in actually talking with liberals because afterall, we're traitors and support the overthrow of our government. Nevermind the fact that we've served in the military, go to church, try to raise our children to do the right thing and vote.

Bill Clinton changed the identity of the Democrat party but sadly that is gone. Republicans have shown their true colors and have proven that they are much better at fighting for idea than they are at executing policy. It's the nature of the beast.

Treasonous Nutbrain


Wrap it up. Call it a day. Take out your world globe, and as it spins, stick a pin in some corner of it, and move there. Obviously you neither desire nor require nor merit living in this country.

What an a$$.


Valuing Compromise
John McCain of 2000 era is the best candidate running, unfortunately the McCain of 2007 has lost his mojo over the years.

"Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first."
-Ronald Reagan

Reagan every week would meet regularly with Tip O'Neill to work with Democrats. He would do things like, oh trade money for building up the military to fight communism in exchange for leaving domestic spending pretty much in tact. Reagan never once submitted a balanced budget even though he wanted to.


Compromise.

The problem with politics as entertainment is it leaves out compromise. McCain is lambasted by right-wing media for being sell out by working with Democrats on McCain-Feingold and and the Gang of Seven. This is the problem with right-wing media being six-years-old in mental maturity.

The reality is that compromises are the bread-and-butter of politics. Thus Reagan's quote. It's dirty business.

But right-wing media is first and foremost about entertainment. Politics as entertainment will never respect compromise. Thus, my claim that Ronald Reagan could not get elected by his own party today because he believed in compromise.


Yes, conservatism is a buzzkill
And rightly so. True Goldwater-Reagan conservatism is based on the concept of limited government. Goldberg must've been reading my previous comments, 'cause I've been saying this stuff for yrs.

There are at least three classes in America devoted to Big Sugar Daddy Pork Barrel Welfare State: The career politicians who get to buy re-election, our betters the self-appointed self-righteous political, academic, legal, & pop media elite plus the snooty metroleftist wannabes in their orbit, and the recipients. (There is some overlap among these.) These all thrive upon and crave big government. It's their fuel & food. Why do they work thru government, and not just free-enterprise business, educational, or religious/faith , or voluntary charitable/philanthropic means?

It is because they don't and can't pay the costs of their superior visions & brite ideas themselves, so they must FORCE someone else to pay for the costs and be RESTRICTED in THEIR choices to accomodate it. Therefore they must use government to FORCE that fourth class of people, we who work invest & produce, to support & conform to their schemes & plots, no matter how destructive, failed, & wrongheaded they are. Then they sanctify it by claiming it was done by our elected representatives.

The Founders knew darn well about this tendency. That's why they designed the Constitution to limit rather than empower government, esp the federal government. The elitists & gimmes have known that too; that's why they spent 200 yrs amending, ignoring, & arguing away Constitutional limitations.

Social Values
Reagan also understood that on social issues like abortion the President has no power in the constitution to make such policy. Therefore it is unseemly to pretend otherwise and he only used the Presidency as a bully-pulpit to promote social values like the pro-life agenda.

But not right-wing media. They expect somehow a President to have an agenda to promote judges who are pro-life. Well, guess what, that's not how the constitution was written, that you would elect a President just to set social policy using judges.

The Constitution says clearly what the President's role is.

1.) Commander in Chief of the armed forces.
2.) Responsible for executing the laws passed by Congress.
3.) Veto of congressional bills.
4.) Appoint judges.

It doesn't say set social policy as laid out in the "Bill of Rights" by appointing judges who will do so.

That liberals do this is no excuse to counter with the same.

As a conservative I want judges who are most concerned with the spirit of laws, from the Constitution to a law passed yesterday.

I am not concerned with the President espousing some social agenda for judges and who will pretend to answer such stupid questions.

If you want the rights of Americans changed to change social policy then by all means amend the constitution or get Congress to pass a law that can be interpreted to fit within the existing one.

That should be the social value vehicle for conservatives, not some "Values Voters" convention for a presidential debate.

We do not elect Presidents to be social policy makers. We elect them to execute the laws of the land handed down by Congress and to be the Commander in Chief.

I'd be for a Constitutional amendment changing the appointment of judges to strictly the business of Congress and cut the President out. This would remove the temptation by both liberals and conservatives to value a president as the social policy maker.

Bull pulpit yes, policy no.

Ronald Reagan.....
...does not compare to McCain's compromise of keeping the border open to millions and more millions of illegal usurpers of our national sovereignty. Look at his votes on immigration, nay, his open ended support.

Drivebyposting, you make some good points, but loose it on the articles of comparison. Reagan gave OUR social programs some slack. He didn't give away OUR national sovereignty. On the contrary, he knew what was most important, our survival and good conscience.




drivebyposting
You make too much sense to ignore. Are you a Libertarian.??.

The problem is you don't take into account human nature. You look and talk about things from a vacuum. Of course the congress has oversight on new judges, you know that don't you.??.

Of course the right wing asks for strict constitutionalists for judges. That gets us back to constitutional limits. Not where other non constitutionalists have put us and will continue to do anti-constitutionalistic things to us.

You say, no excuse to do the same. In other words, they can do it to us, but we should turn the other cheek.

Where were you when the battles at Lexington and Concord were fought.??. Where are you now.??.


Actually, tinsldr
Your interpretation's not 180% from mine; we're simply looking at different aspects of the column.

I am staunchly conservative, and won't vote for a RINO simply to support a party -- the GOP -- that I view as being in many respects little different from the Dems currently.

Therefore, per Goldberg, I'm some kind of flat-earther -- his words -- and that's nothing more than a flat-out ad hominem attack that doesn't address the issue, is hyperbolic, and is the equivalent of Hillary's "right-wing conspiracy" bushwah.

I stand by my original post and assessment.

Blaming the victim
The people gave Republicans the White House, the other House and the Senate.

Republicans could not find even one program worth slicing. Instead, they increased spending for the Department of Education -something Republicans tell us is not even supposed to exist, they invented a whole new government entitlement -prescription drugs, and failed in the only 'law enforcement' issue worthy of conservatism, -securing the Border.

I beg to differ. The problem is not the American public; the problem is so many Democrats switching parties -once the Donkey stopped being sexy- and learning to speak Libertarian, but without ever meaning a single word of it.

Goldwater and Reagan promoted an ideology, winning elections was secondary, a by-product of straight talk; Republicans of today want to win at all cost and often seem not to even know what kind of society they want to create.


Cont.-
Republicans fight a defensive retreat against Socialism instead of promoting a society of capitalist ownership.

Republicans don't expand their power base by using the government to expand capitalism and that is why they are loosing the corporate donations to Democrats.

Corporations can benefit from government over-regulation. That is why corporations are so successful at working with China and VietNam.

Corporate political contributions are going to the Democrats because Democrats own all the good, sexy causes. To be a Republican is equal to being a racist, sexist, homophobe, who hates the environment and want us to invade another country every month.

Republicans allow the Democrats to set the agenda. The only thing left to them is to react.

Reagan had his own ideology; American exclusivity was his vision. We didn't have to have government health care just because they have it in France. We were supposed to be better than France.

We didn't have to have European Socialism. He didn't think Sweeden had it better.

Reagan cut taxes all around and more importantly de-regulated industries.

He allowed the hippies of the sixties and seventies to become the millionaires of the 80's.

Bravo, Mao!
Well said!

Lilly
Lilly is supposed to be a teacher, but he/she posts 24/7. Somebody's lying

BrianR
All this lacked of being a Rudy for President Ad was the mention of his name.

LOL, George!
Absolutely right.

BrianR, Georgetwin, did you see Medved's
advertisement for Rudy today? The bullies are out in force trying to get us to vote for Rudy in the primaries where voting counts for real. We can nominate a conservative to actually give Hitlary a decisive defeat (if the dems are actually suicidal enough to nominate Hitlary). Vote Fred or Hunter in the primary and let our voices and dissastisfaction be heard!

Rich
I've given up on Michael Deadhead. He's been a faux-con forever, not a bone in his body having to do with social conservatism, so what you've written doesn't surprise me at all. I stopped listening to him years ago, and won't read his column, either.

He and others have turned into shameless Giuliani shills: Hannity's another one. Sickening.


Rich
I've given up on Michael Deadhead. He's been a faux-con forever, not a bone in his body having to do with social conservatism, so what you've written doesn't surprise me at all. I stopped listening to him years ago, and won't read his column, either.

He and others have turned into shameless Giuliani shills: Hannity's another one. Sickening.


Well, Rich
I got the same heads up elsewhere, too, so I went on over to toss in my 2 cents.

Thanks for the heads up. This may post twice; the site's freaking out on me.


BrianR,
you alright pard? I'm so late to the game, I don't even know what the hell it's about, but I happened to read you very first post. I've heard you expound before, but that one came close to being off kilter. Continue to hang tough but try not to sound like you're losing it like so many others do.

Sorry if it sounds like I'm preaching. Just concerned. For edification purposes, your post was the only damn thing I read re this article, so if I missed something, my bad.

Been there, done that, fooled me once
If conservatives keep going along with the "lesser of 2 evils" line, that's all they'll ever get. Taxes will keep rising, gvmt will keep growing, illegals will keep coming, our rights & freedoms will keep eroding, our country will keep crumbling. The 2006 election was not about conservatism, but the lack of it, on the part of the party that wasn't supposed to be "liberal" leftist.

I still refuse to believe that a candidate who credibly stands for a consistent package of real conservative values couldn't win. Conservatism isn't losing, because it isn't being offered. My philosophy was summed up by Treebeard in Tolkien's _Lord of the Rings_ : "I am not altogether on anybody's side, because nobody is altogether on my side."

Yeah, Chopper John
I get pretty disgusted with these columnists just being hack party bobble-heads, and I clarified with my 1:02PM post.

It's simply another lame attempt to try to shame people into toeing the standard party line. These guys are bloody desperate.

It's a continuation of Bush's calling the Minutemen "vigilantes", and frankly it's getting tiresome and revolting. They're so desperate all thay've got left is name-calling. Medved's done the same thing today.

The GOP is really sounding pathetically wimpy.

Thanks for checking.

OK, BrianR,
you're back on it now. Don't want to lose the good'uns.

Another disappointment
I'm just so upset with this president, I could scream. I voted for him, and believed in him. When he brought up the amnesty bill, and refused to close our borders, and then stopped the execution of the Mexican in Texas, I was really angry, and wondered what he could do next.

But when he stopped the recitations while the flag is being folded over the bodies of our brave soldiers, I became unhinged.If our soldiers can't have God mentioned at their funerals, then what are they fighting for???

I have heard that Islam has infiltrated many areas in Washington. Now I believe it.


Michael Gerson (&W?) = liberal Democrat
Yes, it's from a liberal website (Crooks and Liars), but it's still quite revealing about the Bush administration:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/10/31/tds-former-bush-eg omaniac-speechwriter-admits-the-govt-budget-can-fund-libera l-ideas/#more-22938

BEGINNING OF EXCERPT

Stewart: Here’s what it sounds like to me. What you’re describing is the Democratic Party. Those seem like platforms for the Democratic Party. How does a fiscal conservative pay for that?

Gerson: The fact of the matter is we’ve got plenty of money in the budget.

END OF EXCERPT

Wow.

LOL, Chopper J
Thanks, bro.


I need a reality check from time to time.


Reality
Yes, Mr. Nobody, I do believe that Muslims "hate us for our freedoms too." I have seen the pictures of Muslim protesters from London that address that specific point and have no reason to believe that they have been faked or doctored as those of ANWAR have. http://www.poorgrandchildren.com

Constitution
We will never restore our Constitution at the ballot box. There are far too many vested interests who believe we have a democracy instead of a constitutional republic, and everyone has voted himself a perk. We have got to force the Supremes to vote 5-4 to restore our limited-government republic and throw out ALL of the unconstitutional pork. Right now, they will protect and defend the bad opinions of dead judges (precedents), but they often refuse to honor their oaths to protect and defend the Constitution. http://www.poorgrandchildren.com
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