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Wednesday, January 24, 2007
Jonah Goldberg :: Townhall.com Columnist
Child's Play
by Jonah Goldberg
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In her first appearance as a presidential candidate, Hillary Clinton spoke at a community center while holding the hand of small child. Nancy Pelosi has said that when she took the Speaker's gavel, she took it "from the hands of the special interests and (put it) into the hands of America's children." Sen. Barbara Boxer recently belittled Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice because Rice doesn't have children and therefore cannot appreciate the full impact of war the way Boxer can.

Of course, there's no draft, and Boxer doesn't have any kids in uniform, nor would they be eligible for a draft if there was one.

But all of that misses the message: Democrats love The Children.

Well, I don't.

In truth, I do love kids. But it's the "the" in The Children that's the problem. It transforms children into a principle for which any violation of limited government is justified.

Marion Wright Edelman, Hillary Clinton's old friend and colleague at the Children's Defense Fund, comes as close as any to being the architect - or, more apt, the mother - of this idea.

The CDF was launched in the early 1970s largely to push for more generous social welfare programs. But Edelman realized that welfare could be a hard sell. "When you talked about poor people or black people, you faced a shrinking audience," she said. "I got the idea that children might be a very effective way to broaden the base for change." The idea was as simple as it was brilliant: By making The Children the beneficiaries of welfare rather than the adults, the left could portray any attempt to curb the welfare state as "anti-child."

Ever since, liberals have argued that disagreements over policy are motivated by cartoonish animus toward kids. For example, when Bill Clinton finally signed Republican-backed welfare reform, the CDF called it an act of "national child abandonment," while Ted Kennedy denounced it as "legislative child abuse."

Such acrimony over welfare reform hardly translated into the Clinton administration abandoning its "do it for the children" approach to politics. Former Attorney General Janet Reno - America's chief law enforcement officer - always cast herself as the protector of children. "I would like to use the law of this land to do everything I possibly can," she declared when nominated, "to give to each of them the opportunity to grow to be strong, healthy and self-sufficient citizens of this country." If only al-Qaida had been targeting day-care centers, she might have paid more attention.

Hillary Clinton's entire approach to public policy, from her earliest days as a "children's rights advocate," has been grounded in the idea that political differences need to be put aside for the sake of The Children. In 1996 she proclaimed, "As adults we have to start thinking and believing that there isn't really any such thing as someone else's child. ... For that reason, we cannot permit discussions of children and families to be subverted by political or ideological debate."

But here's the thing: There really is such a thing as somebody else's child. I don't want to live in a country where there's no such thing as somebody else's child, because that means there's no such thing as my child. And the fact is, my child is mine and nobody else's (save, of course, for her mother). Almost as important, I don't want to live in a country where I am a "subversive" simply by offering political or ideological debate against this vision.

Of course, Clinton wasn't being entirely literal. But this approach is still pernicious. Like Edelman, Clinton seeks to silence disagreement by casting dissenters as "anti-child." And if you've read "It Takes a Village," you know that she thinks "children's issues" pretty much covers everything. Indeed, she thinks all children, rich and poor alike, are facing a "crisis" demanding government intervention from the day kids are born.

This sort of thing has real-world consequences. For example, Hillary Clinton's pet project in 1993, before she tackled health-care reform, was to "rationalize" child immunization by having the government "manage" the vaccination industry. The program was a disaster, chasing industry from research and development in children's vaccines. Perhaps if Clinton didn't see her critics as ogres, or if her critics weren't afraid of seeming like ogres, mistakes might have been avoided.

One of the tragic consequences of Bill Clinton's success in the 1990s is that Republicans decided to mimic it. This is where "compassionate conservatism" and the No Child Left Behind Act come from. (The NCLB phrase is a CDF slogan.)

Children are hugely important. But they shouldn't be a Trojan horse for policies you can't sell fair and square. If saying so makes me anti-child, so be it.

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Julz
Pamela said:

"In entertainment violence, the context is crucial. DEPICTION of violence is not automatically an ENDORSEMENT of violence. When the young Maya in "I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings" is raped by her mother's boyfriend, it's a cruel and brutal attack which leaves her with psychological scars, but what the reader (and viewer, for this book inspired a TV-movie) is meant to take away from the story is this young girl's strength, her capacity for survival."

Pamela, I don't think Uncle Max goes too far at all.

"Caged Bird" is a book, a memoir written by a grown woman, presumably with the aid of other adult editors, copywriters, and written to adult readers.

"Hound Dog" is a film, in which 12-year old Dakota Fanning's character is raped in one explicit scene and to appear naked or clad only in "underpants" in several other horrifying moments. (www.nydailynews.com)

And as far as non-endorsement goes, how is this, from the previously referenced "The Vagina Monologues" rape scene, NOT endorsement?:

In "The Little Coochie Snorcher that Could", a lesbian encounter between a very young woman (13 originally, 16 in revised versions) and a mature woman uses the line: "If it was rape, it was good rape." This section has been excised from recent performances. Warnings have been issued by the copyright holder that using the line "It was good rape" could lead to legal action. The scene also mentions the older woman giving alcohol to the underaged girl. Many have criticized this for portraying statutory rape by a lesbian in a positive light. (Wikipedia)

Performance is far different from literature, because it involves the added "context" of the performers themselves, often WAY too young to be subjected to these requirements. The treatment of Dakota Fanning was child abuse. So much for liberals' caring for "the children". Which ones?

God sa ve us from the "child advocates"
AudiR10 you really said a mouthful. I saw the interview with the parents who were ejected from the airplane. While a beautiful child, their three-year old acts more like a two year old. As I could see no evidence of a disability that would cause the behavior that was exhbited on the plane, I assume she is just an overindulged spoiled brat. It appears mom and dad don't have a clue about limits for their child, and really hate that the airline does have theirs and enforces them.

We've spent too much money on meals out we didn't enjoy because of children at other tables not keeping their seats, throwing tantrums, etc. I can honestly say our children didn't get away with that when they were small. Our go-by is that we actually had people drop by our table in restaurants thanking us for having such well-behaved children. The sad part is that when I was young, well-behaved children were the norm, not the exception.

My first sister and I were born before Dr. Spock began expounding on the right way to raise children. My second and third sisters were born a few years later after Dr. Spock. My mother decided his way was the way to go. The proof is in the pudding as they say. The lack of discipline manifested itself the rest of their lives.

I made up my mind a long time ago that society was not raising my children, my husband and I were. We done good, but it was tough. Not buying into the Secular Progressive theory of raising children lost us a lot of friends when they decided the S-P way was the path of least resistance and brooked less argument from their children. They told us to get on board with the new way of raising kids. Today many of them wish they had followed our example.

No, it does not take a village to raise children, only mature, loving, attentive, responsive and disciplined parents. Something we have way too few of today.


Don't Tread On Me
Exactly!
I hope Reno &/or Hillary never start invoking "the white males" as a reason for their actions because that will be a sure sign that I will soon be headed for execution without trial.

Do Limited Gov't 'For the Children'!
This is a propaganda ploy that has irked me for many years, but the Clinton Admin. did raise it to an ugly squalid art form.

People who rhetorically abuse "children" in the abstract by invoking them as an argument for whatever cost or restriction they want to impose on us know exactly what they're doing. Too many people live by their emotions, & "the children" is one of those phrases for which most people are conditioned to switch off their brains & respond spasmodically with warm fuzzies.

The elitists want an army of drooling zombies in support of their agenda regardless of whether it actually is good for children, or indeed has any rational connection to them at all. Thinking people who can dispassionately evaluate their little schemes and see through them are the antidote.

What are Janet Reno's creds for benefitting children? The teenage boy she allowed to be Nifonged relentlessly, as Florida attorney General? Having armed thugs snatch Elian Gonzales from his relatives while court proceedings on his asylum case were still ongoing, and giving him to the head thug of Communist Cuba as a PR prize? Burning children to death at the Branch Davidian compound? The last thing any "pro-children" movement needs is Ms. Reno's support.

The best thing the government can do for "the children" is its Constitutional job & nothing more. I.e. protect them and their parents from criminals and enemies, & to provide a lawful framework in support of such institutions as free enterprise and private property, to allow the childrens' families to prosper and nurture them to adulthood.

Note to CathyB
Like yourself, I'm normally disgusted with "government's" appetite for managing everybody's behavior.

But, in re smoking in public places, I'm sympathetic with restraints on smoking for the simple reason that smokers STINK.

The one complaint I had about the lovely, lovable and loving woman I married more than 50 years ago is that she didn't insist I quit smoking while we were still courting.

I suspect that smokers don't realize how badly they and their cloths smell. I fear that smokers will never become aware of their anti-fragrance until they quit, themselves.

Genuine regards,

from an ex-smoker who quit when they cost $3.44 a carton (I hadda quit. The government wouldn't buy my cigarettes even though the habit was a service- incurred disability.)

Uncle Max: going too far
In entertainment violence, the context is crucial. DEPICTION of violence is not automatically an ENDORSEMENT of violence. When the young Maya in "I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings" is raped by her mother's boyfriend, it's a cruel and brutal attack which leaves her with psychological scars, but what the reader (and viewer, for this book inspired a TV-movie) is meant to take away from the story is this young girl's strength, her capacity for survival.

However, the particular film's handling of the violence is another issue altogether. In Fritz Lang's classic "M," for example, we don't actually see the demented killer played by Peter Lorre commit one of his gruesome crimes; Lang chose an altogether more chilling approach -- a loose balloon floating away tells the story of its owner's sad fate. THIS is art. Had the film shown the crimes in all their gory detail, in voyeuristic close-up, it's doubtful that the movie would be well-remembered today.

Classic filmmakers knew that sometimes, the LESS you show, the more frightening and unnerving your depiction is. (Another excellent example: Boris Karloff's murder of a street singer in "The Body Snatcher." She passes off the frame and into shadow, warbling her tune; Karloff's coach follows her, and the singing and the horse's hoofbeats mingle in the air. The hoofbeats stop, while the singing goes on. Then an instant later -- dead silence. I'm getting the shivers just typing it. Now THAT is art.)

Too many modern filmmakers, alas, have forgotten that lesson. They seem to be ignorant of the difference between shocking or disturbing an audience and actually making them physically sick. They have the idea that the more graphic their depiction is, the more "effective" and "artistic" it will be. From what I've read of "Hound Dog" (and I will not be seeing it), this is that filmmaker's mistake. True cinematic artists know when to pull the camera back, when to turn it away, and when to cut to another scene. Only hacks have the idea that just because you CAN show everything, you SHOULD.

But I don't have any great fears regarding "Hound Dog," because the public en masse will reject it. It won't be a financial success, and it's doubtful it will be an especially critical one. We'll send the message with our pocketbooks that a voyeuristic depiction of a sexual assault on a child is going too far, and this is not what we want to see.

Nail on the head
This article hits the nail on the head. It's so easy to defend or attack anything not for it's own value but to "defend the children". This drivel makes me nauseous. And I love children. I have four of my own and six grandchildren and have cared for many other people's children in my lifetime. I love kids -- love being around them. But "THE CHILDREN" are another story.

From smoking bans to air bag mandates to helmets on bicycles and horses to anti-spanking laws etc... we are inundated with laws for the sake of THE CHILDREN.

We have teachers telling us how best to raise our children and questioning a parents methods while the same parent is unable to question teaching materials used inside the classroom to brainwash the child.

In NY smoking bans are apparently not enough -- so now there is a proposal to make it illegal to advertise the cigarettes because THE CHILDREN might see the ad.

We have air bags mandated for use and then are told it's criminal to have a child in the front seat because he/she could be seriously injured by the air bag in a collision. But it is illegal to disengage such an air bag because all safety concerns are for THE CHILDREN. I have fond memories of my own childhood of riding in the front seat with my Dad and having grown-up conversations with him and now that same action would be practically considered child abuse.

There are many many more examples of this lunacy. (Anti-gun laws, anti-obesity proposals, drug-free zones....) It has gotten to the point where when anyone tries to tell me to do something for the good of THE CHILDREN I am immediately suspicious of his/her real motives.

Kimberly
Was that you in disguise as Congresswoman Bachmann?

She couldn't keep her hands off of Bush and we all know that you have a thing for him. Have you stopped stalking him yet?

H*ll, I'm waiting for you to post something WITHOUT his name in it!

http://www.kstp.com/article/stories/S26304.shtml?cat=89

DJ, John Galt, Harmony, Uncle Max
Kimberly does nothing to bring honest debate to these threads. She logs on to spew her liberal invectives and insults and bolts. I would presume that she checks back later to see all the responses she has had. Other liberal posters, such as Critical Bill, actually focus on the issues and invite reasoned debate. If we all just stop responding to Kimberly and ignore her, she will go away. Just like the sullen child that has not gotten her way. At least Phylo goes to the trouble to make up false statistics to back his claims, he is worth the response!

Uncle Max
You don't need to wait for reactions to this latest steaming pile...we already know. "The Vagina Monologues," which features the lesbian rape of a 13 year old, is universally heralded by liberals and feminists as a great work of art that encapsulates everything they stand for.

And Kimberly, I would suggest a field trip to Cuba and North Korea to witness first hand how children enjoy the fruits of compassionate liberalism.

kimbat
I have a wonderful 10 y.o. daughter and I'm teaching her all I can about the depravities of cowardly Stalinists such as you.

my 2 cents
In the rush to appear to be more pro child than the other party I would suggest that one of the criteria would be to ask one's opinion of the movie 'Hound Dog', which features the rape of a 12 year old girl as the focal point, and which recently debuted at the Sundance Festival.

Either it is art or it is depravity. I call it depravity.

Poor unenlightened me.

Kimberly; Oxymoron?
The concept of 'compassionate conservatism' is a hilarious oxymoron, huh?

Coming from a proponent of the party that identifies themselves as for 'equity' and 'tolerance' when no such thing is true, I find that hilarious.

The left (as a political entity) emphatically do not care for about children, they care about power, period. Kimberly, they don't care about ** you **. People like you are merely brainwashed pawns to help them get back their power.

Neither is the left tolerant or equitable, except in word alone, but you don't appear to have a handle on that part, your diatribes against us shows as much.

Anti-Family, Anti-Child
Every time a mother says "No" to a child in America, the Marching Mommies dial 911. When an airline finally stands up to the three-year-old brat holding an airliner and 112 passengers hostage by her screaming, flailing refusal to sit in her seat with seat belt fastened -- and Mommy and Daddy believe sincerely that if these 112 people and the crew of the plane just give them an hour or two, they can coax their Diva off centre stage -- and is condemned by the Marching Mommies as "anti family, anti child" then the eyes finally open and the backlash begins. I look forward to seeing the parents of undisciplined brats being ejected not only from airplanes, but from restaurants, theatres, concert halls, churches, synagogues, and all other places where adults and well-behaved children gather.

Dr. Benjamin Spock, the author of Its All About The Child who is singlehandedly responsible for the Sixties, is the man responsible for that screaming brat blocking the grocery store aisle, throwing food in the restaurant, and preventing that plane from taking off. And those who use TheChildren as a bludgeon -- whose sanctimonious yowling colours everything we do and whose fond desire is to stride the world screaming "NO NO!" at adults and slapping legal products out of their hands, yet will defend to the death their right to inflict their undisciplined, out of control child upon you without let or hindrance and dare you to speak the mildest word of reproof, are the whirlwind Dr. Spock has reaped on our behalf.

Do it for the Children
Janey Reno cares for children??? Who can forget the great moments in Janet Reno history. Score of children burned to death at WACO. Unarmed mother holding child in arms has head blown off by FBI sniper. Cuban child siezed by MP5 machine gun bearing agents. Yes Janet Reno cares so much for children. Shrillary is in the same boat as Janet Reno. Her only care in the world is for Shrillary.

Kimberley
First, do you find any errors in what I posted to wildflowers? I'll credit you with knowing that I stated the facts.

But you cannot call it fact to say that Jonah Goldberg is "anti-everybody else's child." I read his article, and nothing in it indicates such a position. Therefore, you are being dishonest, to put it nicely.

You apparently are not interested in sticking to the subject of the article. It appears you use every opportunity to push your liberal thinking.

I can't help but see you as simply one who is desperate for attention. As my mother has often said, "If a child doesn't get attention for being good, they'll do something bad to get it"

Attention? Is that what you're looking for?

wildflowers
You hit the nail on the head with "...the ones who survive the womb...".

No sensible person will hold Hillary Clinton up as a reliable advocate for children.

In the eyes of the whole world, she taught her only child to stay with a man who has cheated on her, possibly many times. Despite the sordid details of her husband's affair with a 21-year-old intern, which became global news, she gave her daughter the example of a woman who will tolerate just about anything in pursuit of her political goals.

No. Hillary has nothing of value to offer to anyone when it comes to rearing children to be decent, honest adults.

Their policy is for the children
Well, at least the price tag is for our children anyway. They'll be paying for these big entitlement programs for generations to come.

I just have to laugh when Nancy and Hillary pull the child card. Yea, it's for the children all right. That is the ones who survive the womb anyway.

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