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Wednesday, September 27, 2006
Jonah Goldberg :: Townhall.com Columnist
When push comes to torture
by Jonah Goldberg
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But there is no equivalent word for murder when it comes to torture. It's always evil. Yet that's not our universal reaction. In movies and on TV, good men force evil men to give up information via methods no nicer than what the CIA is allegedly employing. If torture is a categorical evil, shouldn't we boo Jack Bauer on Fox's "24"? There's a reason we keep hearing about the ticking time bomb scenario in the torture debate: Is abuse justified in getting a prisoner to reveal the location of a bomb that would kill many when detonated? We understand that in such a situation, Americans would expect to be protected. That's why human-rights activists have tried to declare this scenario a red herring.

Sullivan complains that calling torture "aggressive interrogation techniques" doesn't make torture any better. Fair enough. But calling aggressive interrogation techniques "torture" when they're not doesn't make such techniques any worse.

Still, there is a danger that over time we may not be able to tell the difference.

Taboos are the glue of civilization because they define what is beyond the pale in ways mere reason cannot. A nation that frets about violating the rights of murder-plotters when the bomb is ticking is unlikely to violate the rights of decent citizens when the bomb is defused. I suspect this is what motivates so many human-rights activists to exaggerate the abuses and minimize their effectiveness. Slippery-slope arguments aren't as powerful as moral bullying. Still, their fears aren't unfounded. Once taboos have been broken, a chaotic search ensues for where to draw the new line, and that line, burdened with precedent and manufactured by politics, rarely holds as firmly as the last. But that is where history has brought us.

In the recent debate over torture, everybody decided to kick the can down the road on what torture is and isn't. This argument will be forced on us again, no matter how much we try to avoid it. We'll be sorry we didn't take the debate more seriously when we had the chance.

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Jonah Goldberg is editor-at-large of National Review Online.
 
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Hosekuervo
so, what does "being smart," entail? Can you be a little more specific? If we can save lives without being "mean," I would love to know how we can do that. Please be thorough in your response.

It's simple
The reason we shouldn't torture is simple.
I frankly don't care if we boil terrorists in oil after we castrate them. I'd say go for it, if it worked.
When you torture people, they give you bad intelligence-
When you get bad intelligence, you make bad decisions.
Ibn al Shaykh al Libbi was waterboarded until he said that Iraq was training terrorists in the use of biological weapons. The administration used this incorrect info as a cornerstone in their case for war. Later, it came out that there was no way that al Libbi could know this information.
The terrorists have cells in over 100 countries. We desperately need allies to win the war on terror. If we alienate them by torturing people, then that is just plain counter-productive.
This isn't about civils rights for terrorists or any of the nonsense that some on the right spew.
That's a load of crap, and you know it. It's about being smart and defeating the terrorists with our brains. Don't confuse being tough with being smart.
We've been trying TOUGH for a while now and we all see how well it's been working. Let's try smart for a change.
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