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Wednesday, September 20, 2006
Jonah Goldberg :: Townhall.com Columnist
Jihad enablers
by Jonah Goldberg
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Before you can discuss the manifest seriousness of the latest controversy involving the pope, you have to acknowledge its hilarity. Pope Benedict XVI, in an austere philosophical address, invoked Byzantine emperor Manuel II Paleologus, the 14th century ruler who offered a harsh assessment of Islam. While the Koran says, "There is no compulsion in religion," Manuel couldn't help but notice that Muslims were setting up more franchises in his neighborhood than Starbucks - and they weren't doing so by selling the best darn Mocha Frappuccinos on his side of the Bosphorus Straits.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new," Manuel complained sometime around the siege of Byzantium, "and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." Why Pope Benedict quoted Manuel is hotly debated. But one explicit reason was to enunciate the Church's opposition to using faith to justify violence or intolerance.

And this is where the hilarity comes in. A Pakistani Foreign Ministry spokeswoman responded: "Anyone who describes Islam as a religion as intolerant encourages violence."

During Friday prayers in Iran, a senior cleric changed his usual script to denounce the pope, but the crowd of worshippers hadn't seen the memo, so they chanted back the usual refrain: "Death to America! Death to Israel!"

In Turkey, protestors demanded that the Justice Ministry arrest the pope when he visits there this fall and prosecute him for insulting Islam.

And just this week, clerics in Gaza reportedly suggested that the pope convert to Islam to save his own life.

But let us not dare suggest that even a whiff of intolerance can be detected in the Islamic world. If you say otherwise, I will cut off your head.

It may be amusing to note how so many Muslims are eager to confirm a stereotype in the process of denouncing that very stereotype, but it's not so funny when they put their jihad where the mouth is. Churches were attacked in the West Bank and a nun in Somalia was murdered, allegedly in reaction to the pope's comments. Al-Qaida's franchise in Iraq announced "We shall break the cross and spill the wine. ... God will (help) Muslims to conquer Rome. ... (May) God enable us to slit their throats."

But this isn't primarily about al-Qaida or even the war on terror. Note that the parliaments and governments of Islamic nations - our allies in the war on terror - have been at the forefront of the anti-pope backlash.

The many learned disquisitions on the pope's speech notwithstanding, this isn't about theology either. After all, no serious person can take lectures on religious tolerance from the Muslim world very seriously. Spare me tales of Jewish accommodation in the 15th century. Today, throughout the Muslim world, Jew-hatred and Christian-bashing are commonplace, state-sanctioned and fashionable.

No, this is about us. The best book for illuminating what's going on in the Muslim "street" isn't some weighty treatise on Islam; it's a short little tract called "White Guilt" by Shelby Steele. The book isn't even about Islam. Steele focuses on white liberals and the black radicals who've been gaming them ever since the 1960s. Whites, he argues, have internalized their own demonization. Deep down they fear that maybe they are imperialistic, racist bastards, and they are desperate to prove otherwise. In America, black radicals figured this out a while ago and have been dunning liberal whites ever since.

The West is caught in a similarly dysfunctional cycle of extortion and intimidation with Islam, but on a grander and far more violent scale. Whether it's the pope's comments or some Danish cartoons, self-appointed spokesmen for the Islamic street say, "You have offended a billion Muslims," which really means, "There are so many of us, you should watch out." And if you didn't get the message, just look around for the burning embassies and murdered infidels. They're not hard to find.

In response, the West apologizes and apologizes. Radical Muslims, who are not stupid, take note and become emboldened by these displays of weakness and capitulation. And the next time, they demand two pounds of flesh. Meanwhile, the entire global conversation starts from the assumption that the West is doing something wrong by tolerating freedom of speech, among other things.

This week, French President Jacques Chirac explained that everyone in the West must avoid everything that sparks tensions. In other words, we must forever be held hostage by the tactical outrage of a global mob. There's nothing funny about that.

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Mr Goldberg
Please forward this article to Michael Medved to make sure he gets the message.

This is about our freedom and our ability to reason, people. If the pope isn't free to speak his mind then what does that mean for the little people?


MOonline
I disagree. I think the Pope has a right to say anything he wants to say. In a free society, words are allowed. Any words. Should he not speak what he thinks is the truth just to keep the 'religion of peace' from burning churches and murdering people? Why do you think they have been cutting off heads and killing themselves in suicide bombings all these many years? It is a religion that, at its basic roots, condones and even demands violence to reach their heaven, and the only way to co exist with Islam is to help it move away from fundamentalism. Golda Mier said it best. We will find peace when they love their children more than they hate us.(paraphrased)

Radlad
Not only does the Pope have nothing to apologize for, his apology is a mistake. It is the same mistake the Bush administration made on numerous occasions during his first term. There some groups of people who incapable of accepting an apology in the same spirit it is offered. Instead, they treat it as a confession and then use it as an excuse to commit more atrocities (in the case of extreme Islamists) or to demand punishment and/or resignation(s)(in the case of Democrats and liberals). The parallels here between the behavior of terrorists and liberals are stunning.

So, with terrorists as with liberals, the best course is to say what you mean, mean what you say, and don't back down when they scream like stuck pigs. Speaking of which, if the Pope's comments were so wrong, so lacking in factual basis, why can't those who are offended by them respond with sound, reasoned arguments instead of rioting, chanting "Death to America", and shooting a nun in the back? Maybe 'cuz the Pope is right...?

Right on nanarae!
We are dealing with a religion that only promises Paradise to those that die in jihad. There is no forgiveness, no love, no true redemption in Islam outside of jihad. When this is a basic tenet of a religion that religion is just codified barbarism, nothing else.

And I agree that Benedict has the right to say what he thinks, no matter what the reaction. I am not a Catholic and do not agree with a great deal of the teachings of the Catholics, but just because I disagree doesn't mean that Benedict has to make sure not to offend me. I just know how to express my disagreement without violence unlike those 'peaceful' moslem hordes.

You are so right!
The Pope must say what he feels is the truth and if the truth hurts, the hurt person should examine their behavior and see if there is truth in what was said. Wee now ask daily: What will be the "reason de jour" for Islo-facmist Ire? These people demostrate in the streets daily. Do they have jobs? Do they have responsibilities? Children to feed? Homes to keep up?
It seems that most Muslims in America are not as anti-American, because they see first hand what we do, but there are the nutcases here as well. We cannot back down every time they cry Jihad.

AMEN!!
Whoever hasn't heard about or read Steele's book ought to. I truly believe this 'white guilt' disease is the foundation of all our problems. It's the basis of 'progressive liberalism' ...it's why every time you hear a talk show host speak about standing up to illegal aliens, they ALWAYS have to go on about how they LOVE LEGAL Mexicans, and how they LOVE Mexico blah blah blah.

Did you notice how nobody threw a fit when we bombed the heck out of Bosnia? No! Cuz they're white. I'm sick to death of this....when will we stop?

the French
There is no need for us to apoligize, because the French will cower to the enemy and apoligize for everyone. It must be a great balancing act to be that arrogant and still be the biggest cowards in the world

ApolloSpeaks
The only thing left out of your rant was the closing chant: Death to Islam!!

White Guilt, Cultural Void
Yep, it's too late now, can't unscramble an egg, but that's why multi-culturalism is NOT a civic virtue. For 400 years, the "melting pot" really only melted white Christians with other white Christians.

If "we" are all religions, how do we fight an invasion from Islam? If "we" are all races, what are we protecting from all of Mexico moving north?

A culture can't be defended if it can't be defined. Who are we? Would we be American if we became a nation of Hispanic Muslims?

No.


Take care of America first
Why are Americans so afraid of these radicals represented by two-bit dictators and cave dwellers? China and Russia have the right idea. Close the borders, root out terrorists and criminals however you define them, and get on with building a strong country with all your energies.

We need to direct our attention internally and stop messing with the middle east. Our only real interest in the middle east is oil and we can just buy it until we develop alternative sources of energy.

9-11 was a tragedy and yes we were attacked. Now they don't need to attack. We do it for them. We are wrecking our economy, limiting our freedoms, building world hatred for the US, exhausting our military, and openly utilizing communist resources to keep us afloat. The country is dangerously polarized. Maybe we have not been physically attacked because Osama feels he has won and maybe he has.

This is foolishness people. Our leadership is a bunch of greedy fools and are ruining our formally great country and Americans are falling into a fatal trap.

The threat before us
The greatest threat to this nation's security is, without question, Islamic fundamentalism. Many, speaking out of sheer ignorance or naivete, believe that the religion of Islam is one of peace and that the vast majority of its followers do not follow those who apparently twist and misinterpret vague references in the Koran about taking violence upon the "infidels." Conservative estimates place the number of Muslims who subscribe to the views of "the radical fringe" (i.e., the “hijackers of a peaceful religion”) at 10% of all Muslims, or 100 million worldwide. Without equivocation, I contend that Islam is the greatest threat to the West, and it will prove to be a greater threat than Nazi fascism or Communism.

Today we have a President who sees the threat for what it is and who is responding to that threat in the only way possible. But even then, the President does not fully realize the depth of the problem nor the true colors of Mohammed’s religion.

The history of the Church is, tragically, pockmarked with tension, heresy, divisions, in-fighting and killings. But in every case, where fallible men sinned --- against both God and fellow men --- they did so in opposition to the very character of the Savior whose Name they bear.

Jesus Christ, the Incarnate Son of God, lived a perfect life on earth. Unlike the high priests of the Levitical order, who offered sacrifices for the people of Israel, Jesus was sinless, undefiled, unsurpassed and His office of High Priest is eternal. In the face of the religious leaders who stood opposed to Him, Messiah Jesus asked, "Which of you convicts Me of sin?" His question was met with silence as His interlocutors could attach no sin to His sinless perfection. Contrast the righteousness of Messiah Jesus with that of Mohammed: the One perfect and faultless, immortal, eternal, all benevolent; the other, a paranoid and hateful man, a murderer who espoused violence, and a polygamist. Comparing side-by-side, as it were, the character of Mohammed to that of Jesus is akin to comparing the light of a burnt-out match against the cumulative incandescence of a trillion trillion stars.

Day by day anti-Western and anti-Semitic hatred is fueled by Islamic fundamentalist ideology --- this hatred indeed goes back to ancient times, to the rival between the sons of Abraham, Ishmael (the illegitimate son between Abraham and his wife's maid-servant, Hagar) and Isaac (the son of promise given to Abraham and Sarah in their old age). Here, even in Abraham's home, the seeds of discontent were sown. Muslims believe the promises recorded in Genesis which were given to Abraham were to be passed on to Ishmael's lineage (the Arabs). Jews and Christians believe the covenantal promises of Yahweh were passed from Abraham to Isaac to Jacob, the line of patriarchs from who the Nation of Israel draws its rich religious heritage. Obviously, only one side could be correct.

The Abrahamic covenant not only speaks to the fact that from Abraham, many descendants would follow (through the lineage of the Messiah and extending to all generations down through the end of the age who savingly trust in Christ as Lord) but that land promises were included, extending as far East as the Euphrates. The Jews entered the Promised Land under Joshua's leadership. In time, David established his kingdom in Jerusalem, from whence God commissioned Solomon, the son of David, to build His House, so that God could dwell (the Shekinah Glory Presence in the Holy of Holies) among His people, the children of Israel. Jerusalem, until the time of the Diaspora following the destruction of the second Temple in A.D. 70, was always a Jewish capitol! The God of the Heavens has never inhabited a mosque, including the Dome of the Rock, which sits upon the footprint of the former Temple.

America is despised by radical Muslims in part because we stand alongside Israel, and also because we, the leaders of free democracy, represent the very governmental/political system they most object to. No less than four times since the U.N. recognized the sovereignty of Israel in 1948 have Arab-Muslim states launched all-out offensives against Israel. During the Yom Kippur War of 1973, Israel forces were suffering enormous losses and all appeared lost. The U.S. flew in munitions and F-14s from carriers in the Mediterranean, helping tiny Israel to rise up and beat back an enemy that launched simultaneous attacks from the Sinai Peninsula and Golan Heights.

To this very day, Islam holds to one chief tenet: the subjugation, by force if necessary, of the entire world. The Koran instructs its followers to rise up and kill the infidels (i.e., non-Muslims) if they do not subject themselves to the will of Allah (that is, convert from Judaism and Christianity [and any other religion] to Islam). From time immemorial, Muslims have hated Jews and Christians. Islamic expansionism during Medieval times resulted in the torture and death of multitudes of European Christians and of Jews in the Holy land. The Roman Catholic Church’s response was to fight back the Muslim invaders and to retake the Holy Land, hence the Crusades were launched in response to the bloodshed which was perpetrated upon Europe and the Middle East. The hatred and prejudice against the Judeo-Christian worldview and theology is incipient in Islamic thought, and was part and parcel to Mohammed’s bloodthirsty conquests in his day.

This enmity will continue and it will be continually advanced against the U.S. as long as we are a nation which: 1) supports Israel; 2) upholds a Constitution which was founded on Judeo-Christian values; 3) maintains a capitalistic society; and 4) remains a champion for democracy and freedom worldwide. America finds itself squarely in the crosshairs of a group of people whose hatred for us is visceral, whose anti-Christian/anti-Semitic ideologies are part and parcel to Islam’s theology and eschatology, and who are patient in their plotting and in their exacting of revenge.

I do not see an end any time soon. The Bible prophesies a time when all nations will be encamped around Israel, ready to do battle: "On that day, when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her, I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations" (Zechariah 12:3). Then, when all appears hopeless, the LORD will return from Heaven, setting His feet upon the Mount of Olives, which will split from east to west as the LORD goes out to do battle against all those intent on destroying Israel: "Then the LORD will go out and fight against those nations, as He fights in the day of battle" (Zechariah 14:3).

Bible prophecy speaks of an alliance among the nations which will come against Israel in the last days. Many expositors/commentators see Russia as being a key ally to the Arab alliance that will fight against Israel in the last days. It was during the Yom Kippur War of 1973 that the Soviet Union threatened to advance its forces to the Middle East. President Nixon ordered U.S. forces to DefCon 3 status, prepared, if necessary, for an all-out war with the Communist aggressor. The Soviets relinquished from sending forces to the Middle East . . . that time. But a future time may be coming.

I have often wondered, "Where will America stand in that battle? Alongside Israel as her only ally, or with the Arab nations which, again, will seek to destroy her?"

The times in which we find ourselves may well be the most perilous in all of human history. The Apostle John was exiled to the island of Patmos toward the end of the first century. There he received a series of visions from God, recorded in the last book of the Bible. At one point, John records, “And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God . . .” (Revelation 20:4). I do not wish to be dogmatic in what I am about to say, but could it be that the beheadings of which the Apostle wrote would come, by and large, as the result of widespread Christian martyrdom as Islam spreads across the world in this Century?

Ultimately, peace will come to earth. But it will not be in the form of international coalitions. It will not originate in Brussels or Washington or Rome or Jerusalem. Peace will come to earth when the Prince of Peace, the Lord Jesus Christ, returns in power and transcendent glory to judge the living and the dead, the elect and the lost, and to inaugurate His reign of peace and the eternal state. To Him be glory and power and dominion and majesty forever and ever.

Jihad enablers to be sure...
The Democrat Party consists of a disparate collection of anti-war types, wacko environmentalists, feminists, in-your-face- homosexuals, phoney academics, and whiny, hand-wringing liberals.

Ironic, will it not be, that when these Jihad enablers take control of the reins of government and then meekly surrender under the threat of rampaging Islam, the first among them to be be-headed will be the homosexuals. The dopey feminists won't have to burn their bras as an act of defiance because they'll be wrapped head to toe in burkas, and death by stoning to any female who shows an ankle or has sex with anyone except her betrothed will be the practice under Shari'a law. Diversity and multiculturism, the parents of a stultifying political correctness that characterizes the current University system will be scuttled like yesteday's trash. The head of any loopy professor who fails to teach and preach the supremacy of Islam will be lopped off and placed on a spike for all to see.

Keep it up libs. You may get what you wish for. Can you handle it? I think not.

It's not White Guilt
It's elitism. When we give a pass on the behavior of one religion--what we're really saying is THOSE people are incapable of the kind of decency that civilized religions expect from their followers...

When we demand that we separate the behavior of a FEW homicide bombers from the Palestine/Arab people but insist on lumping an entire military force for what a few did at some prison--what we're really saying is that we have to make a REAL EFFORT to see Muslims as individuals; with bad AND good people.

When we give preference to anyone based on race, gender, or religion but does not include the White, Male, Christian...we are saying that Whites, Males, Christians are superior and need no special treatment to succeed.

We don't have to get over our WHITE GUILT...we have to get over ourselves...and REALLY treat people equally...you do the BAD, we take you down, how's that for SIMPLE?

Asahel
Thanks, your entry was fab!

Give them something to do..
I am still mystified as to why we are not obliterating this human stain from our globe. We have the power to do this very thing, yet we do not. I realize the fact that we will be waging an allout war...China will take sides, I am sure, Russia will ally itself with someone and the whole of Europe will be engulfed in conflict. This is appearing to be inevitable.....perhaps we should start with MECCA....so to keep the muzzies busy rebuilding??

Asahel
What a fabulous post! I personally want to thank you for that. As a believer, and as much as I want to see the U.S. get tough and deal with this issue, I don't believe we will see this issue resolved in the manner we want. You cannot read scripture and help but see the fulfillment of the prophesies of Matthew 24 and Revelation taking place before your eyes. I'm not a doom and gloom type, but the signs are pointing towards a final climax of human civilization as prophesied by God's Word.

Memo to modernone
Q. "Why are Amerivans so afraid of these radicles represented by two-bit dictators and cave dwellers?"

A. Because it would be suicidal NOT to be afraid of them. 9/11 was the two-by-four upside the head that finally got our attention that Al-Qaeda et. al. were, and had been, at war with us FOR YRARS! Remenber the first attack on the World Trade Center? Kobar Towers? The Cole?

Gretchen
Our fear is the problem, not the terrorists. One should not be afraid. Fear has driven us to a war with Iraq and now the daily number of Iraqi's dying is up to 220 and this is from death squads and militia. Staying the course for 3 more years and that will be almost 250,000 people. Given the outside estimate of deaths by Saddam it will only take 12 years instead of the 21 it took him to kill the same number.

Fear causes us to do all of the stupid things I mentioned before as well as banning baby food and gel bras from airplanes. We are completely unable to contain the problem militarily. I see the calls for killing them all but that is rediculous. I really don't think killing a billion people is going to make the world a better place.

Remember that 9/11 was brought about by box cutters. We need strength, leadership, friends, allies, money, and most of all, credibility. We have none of these. If we did, China and Russia would show us some respect and cooporate rather than thwart and circumvent us at every step. Its the emergence of China, India, and Russia as world powers that makes it so important that the US has its act together and instead we cower and do stupid things and elect stupid leaders. We are no longer strong, we have become bullies acting out of fear.


God Forbid
the Pope actually said what he really must think of Islam. Talk about suicide.

Not being Catholic, the Pope does not speak for me. Still I assume he believes Muslims worship a false god and would prefer they stop doing that.

Instead, I see the tap dance around the issue entirerly. It's more understandable for a politician to do the dance. For the highest earthly representative of the Catholic faith to do the tap dance doesn't seem appropriate. At least not to me.

He should be calling on Muslims to convert. That must come with the job title. You know, under the old, "other duties as assigned".



modernone RE: Box Cutters
Box cutters did not 'bring about'9/11, they were the tools of those who perpretrated that atrocity. The box cutters did not jump out of the hijackers pockets all by themselves.

FDR may have said "We have nothing to fear but fear itself" but there are times when fear is the only common-sense reaction to a situation.

As far as electing 'stupid leaders', would John "as many positions on any given subject as there are points on a compass" Kerry been better? At least "Dubya" does not share your illusions about those who are, and were LONG before Iraq, our sworn enemies.

I guess you need to be reminded that before 9/11 there was the first attack on the World Trade Center, the Bombing of the Kobar Towers and the attack on the USS Cole.

Terrorists
Why is it we assume that many will continue dying In Iraq and Afghanistan? We've been told there is only a small number of radical Muslims. Given that logic the fighting could be over tomorrow. Why have our military fold up & go home now? They could be celebrating with all the moderate Muslims tomorrow.

We are going to save a lot of money disbanding
Homeland Security.


Cry for Jihad



This is worth repeating that when ever there is news of any killing or loss of life is involved in some incident. Our Media is always ready to put it on their high held prism of ‘Terrorism’. Media services are always very quick to respond and are happy to present that news in the refined crystal goblet of ‘war on terror’.

There are numerable dissident groups, found operating in the world involved in remorseless killing of innocents. But the word ‘Terrorism’ is mostly restricted to single out the Muslims only and their connection to their religious belief of Jihad is exceptionally maligned.

Term Jihad is used as a catch word and a quick way of ascribing of any news of killing toward Islam, where as this act may or may not be carried out by some black sheep, found in Muslim world….

But we find that Jihad in Islam is described in a very different way. Jihad is an earnest effort put forward by an individual into reformation of ones self or say, striving in the way of God to reform ones inner self to be a better person. In the process,personal reformation takes the priority over reformation of society. Subject of ‘killing of an oppressor’ or ‘killing in defence’ comes at the very last on the list. So in principle, it may not be fair to ascribe any random killing of innocents to the religion Islam and malign the Muslims as such.

Any how, in the ‘contest of killing and jihad’, we have to see that:

a. Is Jihad fostered and cherished by Muslims only or do we also find some thing equivalent and comparable of Jihad which tantamount to the same meanings in other religions?

b. Are the people leading their lives in other religions i.e. in, Christianity ,Judaic, Buddha or Hindu societies have, some how thoroughly been humbled and emasculated or say, removed or civilised to that degree that they don’t have any urge left, to think of killing any one even when they are oppressed or in their self defence,( even as a lost resort).

c. And what are the actual facts and practices found on the ground. Where thousand and thousands of people are being put to death, their properties are destroyed and children and women being massacred and maimed. Is this being done by Muslims only? If not, then it is being done on what account?

The killing prescribed as a lost resort in Islam in defence or to raise arm against the oppressor, is too mild and looks very peace loving than the commandments found in other religions.

Surprisingly, commandments found in other religions are much harsher.

For Instance the Christianity prescribes an instant killing of a person who worships any other god, other than the Lord. (See the links at * & **).
'Eye for an eye’ and ‘killed with the sword to be killed by the sword’ and like wise versions found in other religions are the subjects to be pondered upon, through colour less glasses only.

Today we find that in Middle Eastern countries where, predominantly Muslim nations live are blazing in wars.

The entire Middle Eastern society seems to be engulfed in an atmosphere of anarchy and violence. Killing and destruction is prevalent every where.

Who is the oppressor here? Who is the invader? Who is being killed and who is at rampage to kill?

Why we hear a cry for Jihad from the activists (decedent groups) in the Middle Eastern world!? Where as the rulers of the area prefer to remain quite, submissive?

What is the real cause or motivation behind this controversial out cry of extremism?


We all know that leading organisations like, Hamas and Hezbollah that we find in Middle East are the product of continuous oppression, deprivation and persecution spread over a many long, long years. They are the resistance organisations, fighting for their freedom and liberation of their home land and preferred way of life.

Spirit behind their cause and motivation is worth exploring.

History of freedom is universal and full of writings, written with the flowing blood of freedom fighters. Every sacrifice where the blood flows is counted a positive step forward and glorifiable in the eyes of martyrs by all the nations, till the time the oppressor surrenders.

Denial of freedom is death. Means of survival are limitless.

The civilised world is to think cool for this and respect and reach for the sacred cause behind each suicidal fatality.

Islam is peace loving religion and follows the laws of nature. Nature does not accept any suppression. For any suppression forced beyond the acceptable limit. You are bound to get equal and opposit recoil action.


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Links recommended:
*The Bible: The Lord here commands the destruction of all the places where people worship other gods. There appears not a shred of religious tolerance here! ...
http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible3.htmihad is never said to be doomed or

**The Bible: Condemns those who worship any other than the biblical god. ... When he's done with the killing everyone will know that he is the Lord. ...
skepticsannotatedbible.com/int/long.html -condemned.
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Love for all, Hatred for none

Box cutters and Fuzzy,
Your right, I was not precise. The terrorists used box cutters and today they could use the nylon threads in their clothes or the trim on the airplane. Should I be afraid?

I don't need reminding of the other attacks or of Oklahoma City, or of the many serial killers, or the criminals coming across the border daily, or being a car accident casuality or many of the other risks we face on a daily basis. I'm somewhat cautious, prudent, defensive, and concerned but I do not live in my bomb shelter (left over fear from the 60s) and I still drive my car. I do not fly on vacation anymore because it is such a hassle and I hate being treated as a terrorist.

I contend this administration and our fear has not made us safer but is hastening our fall as a world power.

Fuzzy, There's a few billion according to some on this website but maybe it will be over tomorrow. Just like the insurgency is nearing its end, we will not allow a cease fire in Lebanon without Hezbollah giving up their arms, and I'm sure Iran will repay us for our war efforts with profits from their oil fields in Iraq.

Oh, I almost forgot, maybe we should be afraid! Very afraid! There is an election coming up and who knows what the administration will pull to get a few votes.







Oh yeah!
I declare a Jihad! A Jihad on all of you!

...

Oh, wait a minute. Sorry, so sorry. I'm such a
jihad-enabler. I hate it when I do that. I hate it so much... that I declare a Jihad on me!

Dangit, I really got to stop that.

...

This infantile humor brought to you for no apparent reason.

Back to your regularly scheduled comments.

The Late
Abu Musab Zarqawi said "Killing the infidels is our religion, slaughtering them is our religion, until they convert to islam or pay us tribute."

USA response: 2-500lbs bombs.

Yep, the Muslims have learned....
their lessons well from the black race hustlers and the feminazis in this country.

Regarding this Khokar Guy
This guy (or organization?) has been posting the exact same spiel, word for word, all over townhall. He (they?) has a few other spiels in his bag, too.

The fact that he (they?) is/are using a formulaic series of posts makes me dubious of the value of conversing with him (them?).

Regarding this Khokar Guy
This guy (or organization?) has been posting the exact same spiel, word for word, all over townhall. He (they?) has a few other spiels in his bag, too.

The fact that he (they?) is/are using a formulaic series of posts makes me dubious of the value of conversing with him (them?).

Regarding this Khokar Guy
This guy (or organization?) has been posting the exact same spiel, word for word, all over townhall. He (they?) has a few other spiels in his bag, too.

The fact that he (they?) is/are using a formulaic series of posts makes me dubious of the value of conversing with him (them?).

Sloopy

I did say that I was repeating it here.After going through the article and various deliberations by few friends,I felt so that it demends repeating it here also. I am sorry that you felt it otherwise.

My effort is to share the reality that I know.
May be that we are able to save few innocent lives.

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Love for all, Hatred for none

Regarding this Khokar Guy

Sloopy,

This might be a mistake but look you repeated your same message,'Regarding this Khokar Guy' up here tree times?

Consecutively and in dito!

Once again I feel sory that you felt otherwise.
Please come up with you point so we can discuss it out.
Thanks.
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Love for all, Hatred for none

khokar
Wow-

I think we just met the biggest Jihad enabler we've seen. Sloopy, I am suspicious of him too and this is the first time I've read his stuff.

Arguing with his post is a waste of time. I noticed before that when someone is so wrong about everything they say you have to write entire books to refute all the points. Lets let Movwater do it.

Just kidding Mov - you know I lovya. Keep up the good fight.
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