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Friday, August 31, 2007
Jon Sanders :: Townhall.com Columnist
Jesus Christ, You Can't Say That in Our School (Unless You're Cursing)
by Jon Sanders
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So according to the wisdom of the public education establishment, a high-school valedictorian should lose her diploma for – not cheating, not plagiarism, but 30 seconds of telling her classmates about her faith in Jesus.

The U.S. Constitution compels them, you see. It's clearly there under the Separation Clause that everyone in education knows about. Funny thing about that, though...

But first, here's what happened. There were 15 valedictorians in the graduating class of 2006 at Lewis-Palmer High School in Monument, Colorado, and Erica Corder was one of them. With so many top students and so little time, the school decided to allot them 30 seconds apiece of condensed remarks at the graduation ceremony. When her time came, Corder thanked her teachers, parents, and peers for their support and encouragement, and then she said:

"We are all capable of standing firm and expressing our own beliefs, which is why I need to tell you about someone who loves you more than you could ever imagine. He died for you on a cross over 2,000 years ago, yet was resurrected and is living today in heaven. His name is Jesus Christ. If you don’t already know him personally I encourage you to find out more about the sacrifice he made for you so that you now have the opportunity to live in eternity with him."

Heathen forfend! Corder, showing the lively spark of mind that helped her to achieve so highly in high school, had purposefully neglected to include that portion of her remarks in rehearsals so as not to disobey the inevitable order to shut up.

School officials responded typically, immediately meeting with Corder and demanding she apologize or not receive her diploma. They were most insistent that she include the phrase "I realize that, had I asked ahead of time, I would not have been allowed to say what I did." Corder buckled before the pressure, issued the demanded recantation, and received her diploma. But she was quite upset about this trespass against her First Amendment rights, and she obtained representation by Liberty Council, who wrote on her behalf to Lewis-Palmer High, demanding an apology. This request went unheeded, so Corder brought suit.

School officials insist that their actions were "constitutionally appropriate." Well, they may have been in keeping with the present-day interpretation of the First Amendment, but were they really appropriate?

Here's the test: Follow the coercion. The First Amendment protects individuals' rights of religion, speech, assembly, and petition. Religious freedom is the very first freedom it secures against government interference. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" (sealing citizens against the fear of a State Church), "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

It should not escape anyone's notice that the Free Exercise clause is immediately followed by the prohibition against Congress (and by application, all government) "abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." These all proceed in logical order. A free individual is free to believe, follow, and express his faith, and it follows that he is free to speak and publish as he pleases, meet with whom he pleases, and not be hindered even from airing grievances with the government.

No "Separation Clause" there; that phrase hails from Pres. Thomas Jefferson's January 1, 1802 letter to the Danbury Baptist Association. Jefferson used the phrase "a wall of separation between Church & State" to describe what the First Amendment had accomplished, so that the Baptists need not fear state governments' declarations of days of prayer and fasting as abridging their religious rights. The First Amendment protects religious expression even by individuals in government, and even in public halls and government buildings – an idea Pres. Jefferson solidified by concluding his letter with a reference to "the common father and creator of man."

And this is true liberty – allowing all manner of religious expression. It is the cardinal opposite of the current teaching on the First Amendment as it pertains to schools and government; i.e., forbidding all manner of religious expression. That, of course, is tyranny.

Follow the coercion. If a teacher or administrator forces students, regardless of creed, to hew to his religious beliefs, then that would be an unconstitutional abridgment of their religious rights. If a teacher or administrator cited a personal belief in God -- or a personal disbelief in God -- without any response forced upon the students, then no First Amendment rights would have been violated. The former involves coercion, the latter doesn't.

Where was the coercion in Monument? Was it used against the audience hearing a student's declaration of belief in Jesus Christ and encouraging her listeners to join her? Were they prevented from leaving or forced to agree or pledge fealty? Or was it used against the student? Does the First Amendment protect government officials forcing a specific kind of speech – a specifically worded apology – from someone under their power?

Follow the coercion. That's where you can see the tyranny that our Founders sought to protect us against.

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What Can POSSIBLY Be Said?
Fortunately, this sad tale is so "over the top" it will be IMPOSSIBLE for anybody,liberal/conservative (or is that now "progressive"/conservative) to justify the actions of these screaming a**hole administrators.

Unfortunately, I'm betting I'll be proven wrong in my first statement (above) wrong, and "progressives" will be showing the rest of us just why the school was 'right' and why we have to accept that decision.

In order to be an American
Today, Christians must stop giving heed to this twisted and lying re-interpretation of the Constitution.

The Bill of Rights is what the Founders seen as God given Rights.
These rights are not subject to the tyranny of men, except by an abuse of rights.

Either a liar or a ignorant person will twist the first amendment recognition of the right to freedom of speech and religion into saying it is not a right and can be censored.(all the while the most vile speech is protected)

Christians are not second class citizens and I do not intend to ever obey the twisted interpretation of God haters of this land today.IN JESUS NAME

God given rights must be taken or the thief will steal even those.

There is no law exists in this land for anyone to be taken to court over freedom of speech SPEAKING OF THEIR FAITH, and religion.
It is distortion and perversion to twist the 1st amendment as it is being done today.


We need to begin asking how a subject there is no law against ever got into a court house to begin with

What Can POSSIBLY Be Said?
Fortunately, this article is so “over the top” it will be impossible for anybody, liberal or conservative (or is that now “progressive” or conservative), to justify the actions of these a**hole administrators.

Unfortunately, I’m willing to bet any number of our “progressive” friends will be falling all over themselves trying to "justify" the administration's decision this case. Want to bet? Can you say: “knee-jerk response”?

the courts have already ruled ...
... on cases like this.

it's student lead, student initiated. it's not disruptive, since they asked her to speak. you cannot stop a valedictorian from giving a religious speech without not having any sort of such speeches at all. it is legally religious discrimination to not allow religious expression but to allow nonreligious expression. any judge who hasn't sold their soul to the ACLU will rule against the school here.

heck...
even the ACLU has defended Christian clients on cases like these!!!!

Wow...what happens when a student says..
Allahu Akbar?

The administrators perhaps are anti-Christ or some sort.

end times
In the end times good will be called evil and evil will be called good.

Hmm...
knight-of-baawa exhibits his/her usual anti-Christian paranoia... and from Petrovian's comments, I have to point out that if a Muslim had said "Allahu Akbar!", they probably would have praised his/her diversity. It's almost funny. Almost. Unless you're an anti-Christian bigot like knight. Then it IS funny, because you're seeing the side you hate become marginalized.

This girl caved
If I had the courage to speak as she spoke in public school (assuming my parents were so mental as to send me to private school) and the school asked me to recant, I would have spit in their eye and taken it to the newspapers. Yes, even in 1966 I would have done this, because I have the kind of Daddy who believes that if you are right, you do not back down.

I would have made that school administrations lives a living hell for them until THEY backed down.

Apparently she, like those Koreans who sold their faith and slunk away back home rather than stand up for Jesus, really did not believe what she said; she was just doing it to get a rise out of the school, as if she had pulled down her pants and mooned the room. Had she actually believed her own words, she would never have backed down and crawled away like a snake on her belly.

I am not only ashamed of her, but I am ashamed of her parents who did not stand behind her. I hope she will feel the guilt and shame for the rest of her life.

Wrong, Jon Sanders
Jon Sanders claims "No 'Separation Clause' there; that phrase hails from Pres. Thomas Jefferson's January 1, 1802 letter to the Danbury Baptist Association."

Wrong. 'twas Baptist Roger Williams, 1644, Mr. Cotton's Letter Lately Printed, Examined and Answered, who said it first: "When they have opened a gap in the hedge or wall of separation between the garden of the church and the wilderness of the world, God hath ever broke down the wall itself, removed the Candlestick, etc., and made His Garden a wilderness as it is this day."

You're also wrong that the First Amendment's free exercise clause protects Erica Corder's 30 second statement, nor does the freedom of speech. Read what she says again. She was not exercising her religion nor was she making a political statement. She was making a statement about he personal belief.

You're as wrong in your agenda misinterpreting Constitution and Court decisions as are many school officials in their PC fears.

Don't get me wrong, even as a skeptical conservative, or because of it, the girl had every right to talk about her personal beliefs, and hold those beliefs, based only on the ninth amendment. Liberty of conscience is not enumerated.




Warren Small
I agree when you say "If we had a free market in education, these timewasting disputes would lose force: those who wanted Christian schooling could buy it instead of (or in addition to) having their tax dollars expended on a virtual secularist monopoly."

In fact if government got out of the public square altogether there'd be no political argument about religion at all. Following Madison's Federalist 51 argument on factions, however, and ironically, such a system would create the secular (religious neutral) state you seem to detest. Does your advocation of a free-market system extend that far? Would you accept a free-market government?

Wrong lonestarblues
Although the idea of a "wall of separation" originated with Roger Williams and not Thomas Jefferson, it is Jefferson's phrasing which has been most used by judges, lawyers and politicians when it comes to interpreting the First Amendment. This is unsurprising because of Jefferson's role in the development of our nation and our political system.

The rest of your comments are also incorrect or biased. She WAS exercising her religion - the Bible commands us to share our faith. Furthermore, "Freedom of Speech" is not constitutionally limited in any manner beyond the commonsense principle that it does not give the right to "yell fire in a crowded theater." Constitutionally she can say anything she wants, and according to the Supreme Court she can even burn the Flag!

$$$$$$$$$$$
Sanders made a claim about where the notion of separation originated. He was wrong--actually it originates back in England but I was restricting myself to US history. He was not talking about today's use of Jefferson, who meant the same thing as Williams anyhow.

"She WAS exercising her religion - the Bible commands us to share our faith."

She was not expressing her belief but talking about it. She quite clearly says "I need to tell you *about* someone" (emphasis mine). Exercising religion is worshiping God, which she was not.

Your saying "'Freedom of Speech' is not constitutionally limited" wholly misconstrues the Constitution the way many liberals do. The Constitution limits not individual rights but government powers.

You re right, though, I am biased toward what the Constitution says and does.

Teenage Rebellion
Ya know, I could almost grow to like this government-imposed stifling of religious speech. It used to be teenagers rebelled by skipping classes, smoking pot, growing their hair, etc. Now days, they rebel by talking about religion in public. How dare they! What a danger they are to society! The country will fall for sure unless our able school administrators (mostly members of that rock-no-boats, always-follow-orders baby boomer generation) stop them.

Are these baby boomer administrators so old now they can't remember that if you tell a teen "don't" you often get a "do"? There's a great deal of amusement to be gained from watching the very people who worshipped rebellion having to deal with teenagers who just won't follow THEIR orders.

AH...once again
I see there is a troll in th midst exhibiting his own paranoia. Well, as usual, he misses the point. That's okay. I am going to see how long it takes for his superior self to come out and start calling peopla liars because they think differently.
The girl should have stuck to her guns.

whose religion?
Only when orthodox atheism (with it's rock-solid beliefs that we are all chance happenings; the rules that set our universe in motion are a fluke; ignore the holes in the fossil records, bio-chemical symbiosis and macro-evolutionary theory; some minor items like "mankind is causing the end of the earth by driving SUVs"; etc) is recognized as a religion will we be getting closer to a solution.

There needs to be a public discussion about what a religion IS.

She was wrong
If she wanted to profess her faith, or say how much God has helped her in her life is one thing, but she wasn't doing that. She was preaching to a captive audience.

There is a difference in sharing your beliefs with others who are willing to listen, and forcing your beliefs on a captive audience.

hi audir10:-)
the girl (and her parents) will probably remember the event with discomfort.

the education establishment and the secular elites make it sound like christians have no right to express their faith publicly, so they intimidate and use fear tactics.

the girl and her parents shouldn't have caved, of course. but i think God will still use this case for good...

bottom line is that we need to trust God, put on His armor, and fight the good fight.




and also...
the girl should have contacted an attorney before changing her speech. (hindsight is 20/20, right?)

BTW, tangent button.:-) => what's up with these 15 or so valedictorians? I thought there was one person who scored at the top (the valedictorian). the person who scored 2nd would be the salutatorian. hmm...a little self-esteem stuff going on here?

ok, now latin 101 -

vale - "good bye, be well"

salve - "good day, be well"

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Have to agree with Audi
If we are going to spit in the eyes of our overlords we have to know, going in, they are going to fight back, and being prepared for the consequences we should go all the way. Otherwise the effects of our civil disobedience are diminished.


We had better wake up
It is amazing to me that our government run schools will persecute a young believer of Jesus Christ for sharing how He carried her through school and life (A good thing and good things should shared with others - if you knew of a miracle drug, wouldn't share that information with everyone?), but yet if it is determined that some content in the classroom or other activity may potentially offend Islamics, it is quickly removed.

We just don't get it because our eyes are pointed in the wrong direction. We are biting the Hand that feeds us - the Grace that sustains our lives through Mercy. We mock Him with our talk and actions, but cry out to Him when things go south expecting to be rescued from our own doings.

There is no fear (respect/reverence) of God anymore. It is His will that none should perish, but all be saved through Jesus Christ. Believe or not, the truth is that every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Mankind cannot change that.

First Amendments rights being ignored here is another issue

keep in mind
That Erica Corder is a 17 or 18 year old, someone who had clearly spent a great deal of her time, effort and energy on excelling in school, and was being told that unless she recanted she WOULD NOT GRADUATE. The vast majority of 18 yr olds I know would have felt immense pressure at these threats. Brava to her for making the remarks in the first place, and for fighting (albeit a little late) for her First Amendment Rights. She's already getting scorn and disdain from many; let's not add to it for a mistake she's rectifying.

forced beliefs
She was expressing her beliefs, not forcing them.If she were forcing them, the listeners would not be able to reject them. As it appears, the audience could freely choose to accept or reject what she had to say. That is not force.

For example,when a feminist rattles on about how my lifestyle is a betrayal of the "sisterhood", I understand that they are expressing their beliefs. They are not forcing them on me because I am still free to reject such nonsense.

Trying to Understand
Ever since this issue came up years ago, I have tried to understand the SC ruling, and the views of those who advocate eliminating religious speech from the public forum. No success so far.

I am an atheist, but I am not harmed by people speaking about their faith, even if they knock on my door and ask me if I believe, pushing tracts into my hand. I simply say I'm not interested, thank you, and that's the end of it.

A glimmer of insight came to me yesterday in the discourse (if it can be called that) regarding Mike Adam's column about the Mormon graduate student and religious beliefs about homosexuality. Then once again when I read Cotton Eye Joe's post above.

What Former Grad, Van, and Cotton Eye Joe have in common is the belief that certain speech has the ability of exerting physical force and harm on others.

Here is an excerpt from one of Former Grad's posts:
"It was that he had the potential to HARM others with the views, which he was showing in his article to the Times and his desire to do research on gay parenting." (emphasis mine)
Then CEJ:
"...forcing your beliefs on a captive audience."
In both cases, they think that words have the power of harm and force.

I would ask you, CEJ, how simply saying something is an act of force, how it harms someone?

http://www.countrymanscorner.blogspot.com

CottonEyeJoe
Captive audience? No one there was in chains! They could have walked out at any point had they wanted to.

The school censored
The student can speak about religion or pray to his/her content.

By court rules, school officials may not lead prayer or religious servies.

Anyone can TALK about religion, as it's an academic subject.

The administrators here are clearly WRONG, discriminatory, and illegal.

C_Miner
What you say "Only when orthodox atheism (with it's rock-solid beliefs that we are all chance happenings; the rules that set our universe in motion are a fluke; ignore the holes in the fossil records, bio-chemical symbiosis and macro-evolutionary theory...) is recognized as a religion will we be getting closer to a solution."

That is religion, all Creationist nonsense. Creation is, for example, a chance happening.

It has nothing to do with science, evolutionary theory, laws of physics, laws of nature, or atheism for none of these make those nonsensical claims.

You "There needs to be a public discussion about what a religion IS."

Isn't religion personal faith in and worship of God?

lonestarblues
I agree with your thesis of the freedom to express your views, however, I'm not sure that there is a distinction between liberty of conscience and freedom to exercise religion and speech.

I don't have the Federalist Papers or other pre-constitutional writings handy, but as I recall part of the debate on the first amendment was precisely that, ensuring freedom of conscience, and it was then decided that the First Amendment encompassed just that. For conscience is the basis of religion and political dissent (in the Founding Father's estimation), therefore people have the natural right to express their private conscience (thoughts).

In practical terms, if this issue is ever decided in a court, I seriously doubt the Ninth Amendment will be cited.

http://www.countrymanscorner.blogspot.com

1st Amend
guarantees the free practice of religion without the interference of the fed. gov't. Or uninformed school personnel.

The "separation" that Jeffereson wrote about is NOT part of the Bill of Rights or US law. It was Jeffereson's personal opinion.

And Jefferson was also talking about an official state religion, not personal practice or belief.

The US has never had a state religion. It does have its major documents as product of Judeo-Christian heritage, which all the Founders took for granted. It was their education, history, and culture.

Denial of the recogniztion of Christianity's force in human rights, ind. rights, and the freedoms of the press, religion, assembly, and redress is a lib. canard, because the current lib. fixation on homosexuality and sexual profligacy blind them and has brought about (since Roe) an active anti-Christian hatred. This stupidity has prevented students from fulling understanding texts that are rife with Biblical allusions and symbolism.

oh good grief!
I can't believe the school censored this girl. She could have stood up there a sworn a blue strick, saying "Jesus Christ" as a swear word and that would have been fine. I feel sad for her that she apologized. They would have eventually caved.

It's all about control. Like a facist state the school seeks absolute control as little godlings of their world. This is exactly what happens in Atheistic countries. China, NKorea, Vietnam, etc. Follow the state, or die.

To take away her diploma, can be equated with something of a death. This was her life, her golden ticket, the summation of four years of her personal best. She had rightfully earned this, but the school proclaimed in effect, State trumps personal expression. Agree with us, or lose it all. Does anyone ever ask why so many "committed Christians," end up as valedictorians?

Lonestar.....yada, yada, whoever heard of Roger Williams and his obscure letter which you dredge up? It is intentional deceit on your part to say that this, not Jefferson, is the origini of so-called "separation clause."

Also, how can I let this go? You say, "Creation is, for example, a chance happening." Say what?? No, Creation is a purposeful, intentional occurence.

Random evolution, that is Chance. Matter, "all there ever was and all there ever will be," that is chance. No intent, no purpose. Evolutionists proclaim with gotcha glee, "Well, who made God?" Yet have no problem saying Matter and physics and whatever, just "are." They exist, "just becuase." No cause, no reason, no purpose.

But, I digress, I believe this column is about the constitutional rights of one girl, and the bullying she experienced from those in power over her.

The issue is free speech.
If the valedictorian in question had expressed her personal faith in Allah, Buddha, or Zeus, her remarks would have been condoned and defended as "free speech." Because she mentioned Jesus, they threatened to take away her high school diploma. This is clearly an act of censorship.

Do any of you secularists dare to justify this obvious double standard?

There should be NO disagreement
This girl was mistreated by administrators. Her first amendment rights were violated. Was it "courageous" for her to share her faith? I don't think so, but it WAS her constitutional RIGHT.

How can anyone dispute this? She could have encouraged everyone to convert to Muslim or encouraged everyone to worship Mother Earth and Father Al-Gore and I would STILL have defended her right to free speech.

Oh, wait... if she had referenced ANYTHING other than Christianity, she wouldn't NEED to be defended; she would have been allowed to speak freely.

What everyone forgets
is that the venue was not proper for preaching her religious beliefs. What if the person preaching the beliefs was a Mormon preaching "you too can become a god," or a Muslim, or a Scientologist or a Hindu or any other religion? I certainly don't want that! Regardless of what the Constitution says, there is a time and a place for preaching the Gospel. The idea is not to make Christianity out to be a flaky religion by imposing the beliefs on a captive audience. Also, the young lady knew she would not be allowed to say what she did if she had sought pre-approval; there were rules to follow. The Scriptures tell us we are to follow the laws of man unless they conflict with the laws of God. It certainly does not conflict with the laws of God to not preach the gospel at a school graduation ceremony.

One more thing
Regardless of what the young lady said, there is no justification for holding a diploma already earned!

AudiR10
Wow! How easy for you to say she should have spit in their eye. IF she was talked to be the administration and it was pointed out that her remarks were supposed to have been pre-screened/approved, and she didn't do this, she did "break the rules." Like most high school seniors, especially ones who probably never break rules, this was probably powerful coercion by the administrators. Besides, now she is on record as having to recant her statement and has a stronger case to pursue.

I don't disagree with you that she needed the courage of her convictions, but your holier-than-thou pronouncement that she should feel guilty for the rest of her life is just so over-the-top that I am amazed.

bluepiper
as someone else pointed out, her comments were entirely within her constitutional rights.

Bluepiper
I have to respectfully disagree with you on two points. First, I believe EVERY venue to be the "proper one" for explaining the Gospel, if the opportunity is there. Valedictorian's speeches are usually some form of "what I've learned" or "wisdom for the path ahead" - Ms. Corder simply gave her take on that theme. Second, you're correct about Scripture telling us to obey the laws of man unless they contradict the laws of God, and in this case there was NO contradiction... because there is NO LAW that prohibits her from saying what she did. That's the main point of this article and most of these comments - that "Separation of Church and State" is simply a way of expressing the fact that the US government will not establish, regulate or dictate the practice of religion. As a US citizen, Ms. Corder was well within the law and her rights for using free speech to express her beliefs (especially as an invited speaker).

Mar 16:15 He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to
all creation.

ROM 1:16 I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God
for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the
Gentile.