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Monday, April 09, 2007
Jon Sanders :: Townhall.com Columnist
Brave John Edwards Ran Away
by Jon Sanders
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According to The News & Observer of Raleigh, John Edwards is "a tough mill village kid who early learned how to punch someone's lights out," "was noted as a bruising hitter on the football fields," and "has a toughness behind his boyish facade." If so, he certainly doesn't act like it. Do tough mill village kids habitually run from debates?

Edwards, a man who since 2002 has openly aspired to be leader of the free world — a job that entails squaring off against, for example, North Korea, Iran, Islamic radicals, Marxist dictatorships in the Americas, drug traffickers, Russian hardliners, Congress — has now backed out of a second presidential debate for being co-sponsored by Fox News.

Why? Because Edwards thinks the most widely watched cable network has a conservative agenda. Or at least that is his justification. According to a statement released by the Edwards campaign, "we believe there's just no reason for Democrats to give Fox a platform to advance the right-wing agenda while pretending they're objective."

Oh, Mommy, please leave the nightlight on!

Even if one accepts Edwards' sinister depiction of Fox, it's hard to imagine a leader of any consequence acting like that. Edwards here resembles the sniveling kid who takes his ball and goes home whenever someone upsets him. And the more his campaign staff and press toadies try to spin his retreat as some sort of principled stand or dissent, the more they sound like the traveling minstrels to Monty Python's "Sir Robin":

Brave John Edwards ran away,
Bravely ran away, away.
When Fox News reared its ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave John Edwards turned about
And gallantly he chickened out.
Bravely taking to his feet,
He beat a very brave retreat.
Bravest of the braaaave, John Edwards!

Ducking out of debates surely can't help John Edwards in a general election. As Patton observed, "Americans despise cowards," and that looks cowardly. Why do it? Perhaps stamping that Fox has a right-wing agenda will please the MoveOn fringe, whose support is apparently necessary for a Democrat vying for the party's nomination (aside: look out for the first Democrat to treat MoveOn the way Bill Clinton did Sister Souljah).

But to the "masses" — that vast swath of people across America who don't think "Hitler" when someone says "Bush" — it looks cowardly.

Meanwhile, Edwards' wife is publicly attacking the nearest neighbor to their 100-plus-acre property, Monty Johnson, whom she's never met. Mike Baker with the Associated Press reported this weekend that "Elizabeth Edwards says she is scared of the 'rabid, rabid Republican' who owns property across the street from her Orange County home -- and she doesn't want her kids going near the gun-toting neighbor … who refuses to clean up his 'slummy' property just to spite her family."

In 2004, Johnson kept Bush/Cheney signs in his yard, like many of Edwards' neighbors in Raleigh. Unlike them, however, he can't look forward to Edward moving. For now, he has a "Go Rudy Giuliani 2008" sign facing Edwards' property, but he told the AP he plans to move. It's partly because of higher taxes, he said, but also, "I don't want to live somewhere where someone's always complaining about me."

Regardless, such a cavalcade of craven nonsense from his wife ought to embarrass Edwards. Not only is Elizabeth Edwards using her access to media to carry out a personal vendetta against a private citizen, but also she is admitting to some rather paranoid and elitist notions. Rabid, gun-toting, and slummy? Where is her husband while she's saying such things?

Oh, right, ducking debates and spouting paranoid notions about Fox News.

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Two Americas?

Nah. Not if they can force all the "rabid, rabid, gun-toting, slummy republicans to move on.

Two peas in a pod...Elizabeth & John.

If Monty doesn't move he'll be berated for not giving the dying woman her last wish.

What bothers me is that the first one to fight back will be accused by the MSM of "upsetting a dying woman"

And I won't be a bit surprised if she begs people to "vote for my husband...as a favor to a dying woman."

Too harsh??? Just call me rabid. The dying woman would.

Smart John Edwards
I'm not for John Edwards at the moment. Haven't actually decided. But Edwards isn't a coward for refusing a Fox network debate. He's smart.

Why? Fox has a preset agenda that is out to slaughter anybody left of Hannity and O'Reilly, two of the most arrogant, uncouth and dogmatic men on TV. I watch them regularly so I can speak from experience. To watch them I must have a masochistic streak somewhere.

Such as O'Reilly and Hannity sweat about division in our country, but guess what? They are two of the biggest promoters of disunity. They're continuously making wild accusations. O'Reilly, for example, is always targeting some evil enemy, whether its France, Canada, or Vermont. One of his other favorite targets is the public school system. With 48,000,000 students (12 times the population of Ireland) you can easily find a breakdown or a scandal somewhere. I never see him expose the corruption in the military-industrial complex which is making billions off the death of our brave soldiers in Iraq!

So, John Edwards: congratulations on your courage for standing up to Fox, the propaganda network! I may not vote for you, as I have some disagreements and reservations. But you are smart not to be led into a trap set by a nefarious and sinister Fox!

Keep smiling!

Jeez...
I'm guessing Edwards has written off the South in his quest for the Presidency. Excluding the University professors, even Southern Democrats will puke over the thought of Mrs Edwards being afraid of her neighbor even if he has a really big gun. But size doesn't matter, does it?

Roy . . .
Whut? Edwards is brave for being afraid of Fox and I suppose he is also peeing in his knickers about the neighbor. Did you wander off the Huffinton reservation or did you just forget your meds?

Remember the 2000

Presidential debates? Edwards should be running scared, if he believes Fox would stoop as low as the MSM did; the crap they got away with saying should have tied the courts in libel suits for years. It didn't. Why? Because George Bush won.

If brave Sir Robin won't debate, he fer sure won't get elected.

BTW Roy, only moonbats believe Fox News is biased. Hannity's and O'Reily's shows are not news ! They are OPINION !

Who has FOX slaughtered on the Left?
Roy, who has FOX slaughtered on the Left? Please enlighten this conservative, but please do not say it was William "Refridgerator" Jefferson.

Edward's - what a wimp!
Yes indeed, you want this man as your President!! Only if you want to bring this country to it's knees.

Here's a man with a backbone made of jell-o - can't stand up to a few perhaps difficult questions from a conservative network...how the hell would he deal with a world crisis. Is his decisions making proceeses so weak that he can't stand a debate. Someone on his team needs to alert him that he's failing to see-the-light-through-the-trees - America needs a powerful leader, not a wimp that preps his hair for 20 minutes for the crowd.

Pretty boys with passive agendas do not make this country safe or secure. The portray weakness and are targets for our enemies desires.

Can't handle a few questions - then you don't have the right to attempt to run my country!

So FOX has no credibility
That would be why it consistently tops all the other cable news channels in the ratings:

Wednesday, April 4

Total day: FNC: 230 | CNN: 162 | MSNBC: 154 | HLN: 121 | CNBC: 88

Prime: FNC: 456 | CNN: 201 | MSNBC: 214 | HLN: 126 | CNBC: 144

Thursday, April 5

Total day: FNC: 239 | CNN: 166 | MSNBC: 122 | HLN: 90 | CNBC: 80

Prime: FNC: 458 | CNN: 203 | MSNBC: 186 | HLN: 148 | CNBC: 144


Friday, April 6:

Total day: FNC: 242 | CNN: 146 | MSNBC: 147 | HLN: 91 | CNBC: 80

Prime: FNC: 286 | CNN: 221 | MSNBC: 212 | HLN: 110 | CNBC: 54

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/default.asp

Profiles in Courage
Sen. Edwards has been joined by Sens. Obama and Clinton. What a pack of poodles! The boldest of the Democratic presidential candidates now appears to be the pencil-necked peacenik Dennis Kucinich.

What was once a proud party, is now a absolute travesty. I no longer watch ANY of the news programs (the internet is so much faster and less spoonfed), so I can't comment on whether Fox is any better or worse than the legacy media. But I doubt that most of America is going to vote for a party who's bravest stand is to boycott a news channel.

Only in moonbat land.....
"I guess none of you nuts has a problem with the Fox News White House love affair."

Well, as long as you moonbats have no problem with the ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN/MSNBC left wing Democrat love affair...

Seems to me that Fox News is the only NON-moonbat major media out there.....and you guys just HATE it because it's the only one you don't control....

Seriously, now, can you HONESTLY suggest that ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN/MSNBC are UNBIASED and fair?!?!

Only in moonbat land.....

Are you right wing people stupid?
When you bring up ratings to prove if the FOx is credible? Any logical person can see Fox caters to conservatives and have convinced them that everyone else is biased. THEY CATER TO 25% of the population. They have a market they strive to attract and they do!.. Sheesh..The remaining channels fight for the remianing 75% of the country so it's not very difficult to understand that they cater to kool aid drinkers. At least acknowledge that Fox caters to one party!! They are successful for the same reason talk radio is...

So let's See,DA
There might be other news outlets in your view which are more credible and cater to Democrats, but I haven't seen Republicans backing out of debates. The assinine assumption that FOX is not credible enough For them to appear makes me laugh. Just another typical disconnect for a left-minded thinker. They are f-ing Presidential candidates and should only care about swaying a voter with their smarts...not shy away because(gasp!) it "caters" to conservatives. Jim lehrer is a Dem. Did you see Bush go running or say after their debate that the questions asked were biased? Get a clue, monkey avenger.

It's called free enterprise....
"They have a market they strive to attract and they do!.."

And the others networks DON'T have a market share they're trying to attract?

They've staked out their territory by making Katie Couric a "news" anchor and putting Rosie on "The View" - they WANT to reach out to the moonbats....and Fox wants to reach out to the NON-moonbats. And is doing so rather successfully, if it's pulling 25% of viewers (I'm quoting your numbers - I don't know the ratings breakdown....)

It's called free enterprise - clearly, the public is willing to support a network which ISN'T leftwing and does so by buying the products of Fox News' advertisers. Same with "right-wing" radio. People LISTEN to Rush, Hannity, Beck, etc. They DIDN'T listen to AirAMerica, which had to be underwritten by the DNC....Should they somehow have been FORCED to listen?

The PUBLIC decides which shows are successful by their support of the advertisers - how can you not GET this? Or do you deny the concept of free enterprise?


Nee
I don't see other channels using the scroll record at the bttom of the screen misrepresenting what someone stands for.. "Do Dems want terrorists to win?"..when a Dem is speaking or being interviewed.. "Are dems soft on terror".. when they are being asked about the ptriot act..I can see it now how one of the dems answers will be taken out of context and then replayed over and over..

DBR
"Right-wing" used to be considered conservative. You know, the folks who used to believe in the Constitution. I'm not seeing a show on FOX news that supports the Constitution. Do you?

Fox deniers; deaf, dumb and blind?
Let's assign a scale to the political landscape of 0 - 10, far right being 10, 0 being the far left and the much ballyhooed moderates at 5. I would put Fox News at around 5.5 to 6, based on my own politics. CNN is at 1 - 1.5, and MSNBC is more like .5 -1. PBS and NPR would rate 0 - 1 on my scale. This is only my opinion, reached through a lot of observation with a little discernment (thank you, Jesus) over the years.

I can't say whether that's totally accurate because I stopped watching and listening to the left side of the spectrum about 1998, when it became apparent to me that THEY had a preset agenda and consistently practiced poor journalism, or at least the principles I was taught in high school, 40 years ago. When Fox News came on the scene, it was a refreshing change to the constant liberal drumbeat of their competitors, which had become boring, monotonous and just not right.

The best example of this corruption is 60 Minutes, whose pieces always have a leftist slant which direct the viewer toward a pre-conceived conclusion through selective editing and loaded questions. Dateline, 20/20 and the rest have followed this formula producing ambush interviews of those with whom they disagree but setup, puff pieces for their leftist elite buddies who they hobnob with at all the NY/DC cocktail parties, orgies of groupthink. A different opinion to these people is an anathema, prompting horror and disbelief turning to disgust and denial, a childish, knee jerk reaction.

My parents and some teachers in grade school taught me that someone who has a different viewpoint than I, must know something that I don't, and that I can only understand their side by listening to how they formed their opinion. I was never a debater but I instinctively know that you cannot oppose someone's arguments unless you can disassemble how they reached their position. My goal is to be able to do this and remain in control of my facts and temper; hard to do when you're dealing with someone who is so wrong, so blind, misguided and misinformed they're stuck fast in concrete and can't be moved. Michael Medved does this better than anyone and I aspire to achieve his skill. Michael Savage is the worst.

Liberals refusing to debate on Fox show a lack of character and not enough confidence in their positions to defend them against a little assault. Sounds like a definition of cowardice to me. People who are so afraid of hearing a different viewpoint that they refuse to watch, don't seem to be hurting Fox's ratings, which continue to rise while their competition is falling.

Tom Dashcle showed a little candor a few years ago when he admitted that a lot of democrats listen to Rush Limbaugh, which was bad for the party because they were being converted away from the party line. Imagine that! The road to enlightenment is paved with information.

Liberals who don't watch, don't listen to differing opinions are derelict in their duty to become informed voters. Do they fail to realize that Fox fans and dittoheads are voters, too. The only people more entrenched in their beliefs than radical liberals is radical Muslims. When they join their hatred and ignorance, which in effect, they're now doing, the danger to our culture and civilization is palpable.






Swiftboat vets
Democrat avenger says that official records back Hanoi John. Pray tell, DA, give us a link to those records. I remember Kerry promising several years ago to release all of his records, strangely haven't seen them yet Perhaps you could help with that, too.

I'll throw a little light on the subject of Kerry's "heroism". We've all seen the video clip of him jumping off the boat to chase down and finish off the Commies. Who filmed that action? As I see it, there are 3 possibilities; 1) The Navy assigned a photographer to record Kerry's heroics, 2) Someone who was supposed to be fighting put down his weapon and picked up a video camera, or 3) The whole thing was staged after the real action was over. As a Vietnam vet myself (full tour) I can assure you that the chances for 1 and 2 are slim and none, and Slim just slipped out of town. While you are educating us , how about this subject. I'm pretty sure Hell will freeze over before Kerry releases his records.

Roy, et al Liberals
Let's do this without namecalling. Albeit with passion.

Yes, Fox is prejudiced in its OPINIONS. Thank God conservatism has an outlet.

So is CNN - in its REPORTING. So is NBC. So is CBS. So is ABC. So is New York Times. So is Washington Post. Etc. Etc. All toward liberalism. All with its subtle rhetoric. And you can't see it because you are liberal, and you actually think that is OK.

Hypocracy unlimited
Someone name me one show on Fox (besides the Beltway Boys) that doesn't have AT LEAST one opposing (as in left-wing) point of view to counteract this supposed far right slant they so outrageously put forth. OK, now that you can't do that, name me one show on A-MESS-NBC (besides Tucker Carlson) that DOES put someone on with an opposing (right-wing) point of view.

Don't spend too much time on this, because the answer to both questions is that there isn't one.

Fox may lean right (maybe even way right), but at least they'll put a dissenting view on, not like these chickensh@t stations that only have liberal left wingers on that just parrot everything the hosts put forth.

Excuses
I’ve read some silly excuses before but Fox News has a right wing agenda is dim-witted and comes from mentally impotent snotty nose children who wont play unless it’s by their rules. The democratic candidates are no different. Their upset because they don’t get to play by “their rules.” Just for the sake of argument, lets assume Fox News is tilted to the right, their refusal to debate on Fox News shows their Achilles' heel. Ok children, take your Tonka Toys and dollies and go home.”

When any candidate, regardless of political affiliation, cannot face the tough questions and give a straightforward answer (without spin), it’s time for that candidate to withdraw from the field of competition.

As for having spins like “jell-o”, No Bob, it’s a substance more akin to vomit.

Think about what this move says
One assumes that anyone who wants to be president of this country is interested in leading the entire nation, not just the smallest slice of it necessary to win the office.

John Edwards, Barack Obama, and Howard Dean have just made the implicit statement that this is not the vision they have of the office of the president. They will listen to, speak with, and represent only their hardline constituents.

So, rather than going out there and trying to convince those who are not already in their respective camps of their merits, these men prefer to ignore everyone but the folks at MoveOn.org. Maybe this is what happens when you assume that your party has already won and all you have to do is make sure you are th eone standing on top of that little heap. Or maybe it's what happens when you are an arrogant fool.

Given how Mrs. Edwards acts toward people she has never even met, I think we can assume the latter about little Johhny.

What the Heck Are the Afraid Of???
All the libs on this posting are fricken wimps, including Edwards and Obama. Conservatives take interviews on all the LEFT LEANING propaganda networks all the time!!! They arent afraid of their their left leaning agenda. Rather, its looked at as an opportunity. If Edwards and Obama cant take anything except tee-up softball questions, HOW CAN THEY LEAD THIS COUNTRY???? Fricken libs. They are shooting their feet out from under themselves and they dont even know it.

Libs and Fox
This is nothing more than "Swiftboating," to coin a leftist term. The libs have been stewing over Fox since its birth, not knowing what to do about it. Fretting about Fox's lack of a leftist slant.

Here's their answer -- kill it BEFORE the '08 election. Talk about a vast ____-wing conspiracy! Fill in that blank with "left!"

Suddenly, it's everywhere. Dimwit candidates turning down debates because the dreaded Fox is hosting it. Unbelievable! (Can't you just see Republican candidates treating the MSM that way?)

Lefties everywhere suddenly spewing about how slanted Fox is. It just sprang up, spontaneously. This is a movement, folks. They want to make sure they isolate and neuter Fox as much as possible before the campaign gets rolling.

It's being discussed behind the leftie closed doors. Count on it. There's more to come for those who doubt me. Watch.

And yes - as a matter of fact, John Edwards IS a coward. If you don't think he's proven that yet, just wait - he will.

Let the fun begin

The Breck Girl (thanks Rush) is not the only coward afraid to debate. The current crop of so-called "republicans" all refuse to debate Ron Paul. What are you afraid of Rudy, Mitty and Johnny? Could it be Dr. Paul might expose you for the big government elitists you are? It's because of fools like you that the socialists were able to regain power. Unforgivable! Grow a pair you bums and try to justify your voting records in front of America. Otherwise go away and let an honorable man lead our nation.

justpaul
mathew dowd just came out and said Bush campaigned to the 51% majority and that he, Bush, did not being the country together. Now you are calling fro a Dem to reach out to everyone... Let me guess you were one of the minions who cheered when Bush, Cheney and Rove governed to the 51% majority? Never heard any complaints from the right when they did that..

Wait a sec!
The Breck Girlie Boy tough? "a bruising hitter on the football fields"? Are you kidding me?

Remember the staged hunting event during the election, and Edwards looking down at the borrowed shotgun in his hands with a dufoid look on his face, a "what the heck is that, and why's it in my hands" expression?

And I thought the wife was busy battling cancer. What happened? Not enough sympathy traction, so now she's on to harrassing the neighbor?

lots of ditto heads here today
Wow we have ditto heads galore on this board..shocking..!

What's A Ditto Head?
Is that a liberal term for what?

Sawdust, Dem Avenger
Dem Avenger: You took a class in college on Vietnam; I was there (Nam, not your college class). Sawdust raised good points.

Kerry took a camera with him to Nam to film his own exploits. I never heard of anyone else doing that. Further, he staged "recreations" of his exploits, forcing his crew to act as camermen. Pretty ridiculous, frankly, unless he already had a political future in mind for himself. Don't forget his role model was JFK, he of PT 109. Any coincidence Kerry volunteered for Swift Boats, the nearest modern equivalent? Hah!

BTW, "Jonh" in your college class sounds like he wasn't wrapped too tight. Or was just a BS faker. My vote is for the latter. Diving to the floor at the sounds of gunfire in a movie???

Oh, puh-leeze. What a crock! "he said that this is what war does to normally sane people." That is a total LOAD.

I know a lot of fellow vets, and we all sneer at that kind of cr@p. What about the WW2 vets? My Dad spent three years as a gunner on an LST in the Pacific, his ship was kamikazed, and HE doesn't run around jumping behind the couch every time the TV makes a loud noise.

Horse puckey to all of that.



Dem Avenger
"Dittoheads"?

Do you mean a lot of people who have the same conservative opinions?

Well, yeah, Duh!

This is a conservative website. Maybe you thought you'd logged on to KOS? Where everybody, of course, is reasoned and well-thought-out. So very different from here?

Or was that in reality an intellectually-bereft attempt at an insult?

Hmmm..... I'm sure that'll take a lot of analysis to determine.

Looney Lib Logic
Funny that Conservatives "bravely" appear on MSM debates, NPR, National Public Television...etc. yet the leftists think their 'pretty boy' refusing to go on "Faux" News (which they also believe is pronounced F-O-X) is somehow going to win him votes...

Leave it to the spineless Left to see wimping out as a plus.

BrianR

Wouldn't doubt it a bit if later on in the cycle Lizzy is diagnosed as cancer free and the Edwards' claim it was their "constant prayer & belief in Jesus" that did it.

More pandering for the religious voter.
Call me a cynic, but when a guy "channels" a dead girl in a courtroom to win a case he is capable of anything.

ooops

Except appearing on the Faux News Network...LOL

Demented Avenger

Bet you were one of those cheering that Billy Clinton was governing the 47% Majority...

BrianR
The man was not faking it... He had no reason to. I guess he loved living at the VA hopsital and faked 20 + years of being traumatized.. Yeah I got it.

As far as vets of other wars I bet I could google it and find a few but hete you 'served' so you know better even more so than other brave guys..

magnificus
back to blaming clinton. Sorry but I don't remember Clinton campaigning as a 'uniter' and to then turn around and basically tell 49+% to f*ck off...and then complain because the other side wouldn't stand by and shut up..By the way I disticntly rememebr Clinton working with the GOP majority... Bush and his 'in-your-face- governing style cost your party dearly.. nice job and I hope he continues because at this rate the Dems will be in control of all 3 branches come 2008.. Keep up the good work Bushies!!

fox news
I am 79 yrs old so that means for what? 70 years I listened to one side as told by the great media- radio, then newspapers, and tv. Fox may be slanted right but if it is it is one against how many?? These libs can't stand to have the other side presented. Is that chicken or what??

D.A.

Turning this into a Clinton v. Bush debate is kinda off the point. But one thing you can say for both Slick Willie and W., neither one was afraid to stand up to the competition.

Too bad you cannot say that about your current set of bed-wetting candidates.

FOX NEWS
It is absolutely amazing how some people think. If you have ever watched Chris Matthews, then you would not know what bias is all about. Besides, because Fox is sponsoring the debate doesn't mean the questioners are necessarily conservatives. Has anyone posted who the questioners will be?
As some of you said, are the Dems afraid to answer questions? I think so, after all, Americans might find out where they actuall y stand on some issue if they really answered the question. In any case, I'll take Edwards' spot in the debate. I'm a candidate for president, my website is
joeolivaforpresident.org
Check it out!

DemAvenger: LOL
Sorry, bud, no sale.

It's a load of BS.

Demented Avenger

You guys on the Left are nuts to think every conservative is a 'Bushie'...Bush has turned into a Rino, he is more on your side than ours...

The next President will be a true conservative because your figure of 25% (Fox trying to reach that segment) is way off... and when your wimp-out candidates pander only to you nutcases it will be game over, because the moderates want -listen up - BORDER SECURITY!

And you fruitcakes do not. Every one of your candidates believes in open borders and all sorts od "socialist" programs that the majority of Americans recognize as being UN-AMERICAN.

Get ready for a Republican landslide. Pelosi's trip is only the beginning of the vast majority-wing conspiracy that will oust the Dems from the positions of power thay obviously have no clue how to administer.

DemAvenger: PS
Particularly when you try to pass of the "John" guy as somehow being typical. THAT'S the crock.

BTW

Does it bother you very much that the object of your disdain (Bush) did better at the polls than the object of you adoration (Clinton)? LOL

John Edwards
Like a sissy, A girly-man. He ran. He the perfect candidate for the Dems. Never saw a fight he couldn't just run away.

Fox News is Fair and Balanced
The Fox News Channel has had more liberals and Democrats live during its news shows than the rest of the MSM combined has had conservatives and Republicans. It may have several shows that have a conservative bias but Fox is far more generous in allowing opposing viewpoints to be aired on its network than the MSM.

DemAvenger: One more thing, bud
Because this whole thing about the nutty Viet vet really toasts my tacos.

I well remember back in the late 70s and early 80s when the popular media (TV, movies, books) all portrayed Viet vets as drug-addled psychopathic murders, rapists, serial killers, and every other vile thing under the sun.

It teed me off then, and it tees me off now.

That whole thing, including your dirt-diving John, is an absurd caricature.

I'm sure I could go into downtown LA, and round up all the lunatics walking down the middle of the street shouting at God and waving their fists, and somewhere in there find a vet of some war somewhere. That doesn't mean a damned thing, other than that particular guy's a lunatic.

It certainly doesn't mean it was caused by being in a war.

Get real.

Opening Day at Fenway Park
Its opening day at Fenway so a baseball analogy seems in order: so the liberal candidates are fearful of playing a road game, yeah those Fox boys have a tough team & some rowdy fans...but sorry boys, it’s a long tough schedule and you can’t play the whole season on your home field; step up to the plate & be ready to take some high heat from the opponents best pitchers, just like they do in your park on a regular basis.

PS. Fox news is here to stay; live with it – see you in the playoffs.

Deornwulf
There is nothing fair and balanced about Fox News.

Yes, it APPEARS they are showing opposing viewpoints, but have you noticed that BOTH of those viewpoints promote BIG GOVERNMENT?

deornwulf
that's B.S.!!

Right DA
Obviously you haven't been paying attention if you think I'm a Bush supporter.

Typical blind leftism.

But when did Mathew Dowd become the official source of all answers regarding Bush's motives? Or, for that matter, when did what Bush did become that by which the Left will set it sights?

Again, typical blind leftist BS.

If Edwards, Obama, or even Hillary wants to lead this nation, they're going to have to convince people who are not part of MoveOn.org of their merits. Starting the process by kow-towing to MoveOn about where the debates can be held is a really bad step in that direction. Which is fine with me; I would rather that none of them got elected to the office anyway.

But don't start crying when the nation elects yet another loser Republican over a bunch of people who are afraid of a "conservative" network.

When did liberals become such a bunch of pussies?

DA
Years ago, a Korean vet worked for my mother and father. He had been on Heart Break Ridge or Pork Chop Hill in the thick of it. While installing some equipment, one of the installers dropped a heavy wrench. It hit the concrete floor with loud bang. The Korean vet, instantly, went into a very dirty and wet wide floor drain under one of the machines being installed. It was obvious from his posture he was ready to return file and defend his position. Such a reaction is not uncommon among front line a/k/a in country vets.

However, the only lesson that can be drawn from the above event or from “John’s” reaction is: People go to war and, without being obscene, very bad things happen. Most will come home and some will have more of an adverse reaction to their experiences than others. That’s but one of the truths about war. That’s but one reason/fact why military men view war as a last resort. And, to avoid a war far worse than that we have at present, is why we must stay and finish the mission in Iraq.

DA, you have only read about it. Many here have seen and experienced it in its worst form. Think about this DA. I had a cousin that went from Africa to the Elbe River and later served in Korea. He was a front line medic. In the last days of WW II he held a man who had been hit in the stomach by a German 88. Before he could stitch him up he had to push his guts back into the body cavity. The man died in his arms.

If the left wing cowards don’t get some backbone and face reality, we will have more of this, but it will be here at home. I however, don’t think they ever will because the left has no stomach for the real truth.

And that DA, is why I say “buy early, buy often and avoid the rush.

Profiles in Fear
"No Mommy, not Fox!" What craven cowardice.

FoxNews is the only major network that doesn't shill for the left, and the Dem's tremble in fear at the thought of debating there. Quick! Someone change their diapers!

DA? Which one?
It seems that the moniker "DA" could represent the self-glorifying Demoncrat "Avenger" (giggle -he's an old pulp-fiction character who could mold his face to mimic someone else - but who would want to be Edwards?); it could represent "District Attorney" (giggle - more like 'distraught' in these postings); but it looks more like 'DA' represents the old 1950's "Duck's A$$" hairdo. No wonder he and the "Breck Girl" are a pair made in Hell.

Gotta go now, Duck's A$$ - gotta get my Fox News fix. You know, the channel that actually tells the truth - unlike Dan (fraudulent document) Rather or CBS (if I want to 'see B.S.' I'll go there or CNN (the Clinton News Network) or .... well, you get the picture.

What a bunch of Cowards!
I hope Fox still holds the debate with empty places for these brave Democrats. They want to be POTUS but they're afraid of Fox News? What pansies!

An interesting point of view
As some of you have claimed, and let us for the sake of discussion assume it to be true, Fox Channel has a demographic of 25% of the nation's population. Using your set of standards, any presidental canidate may ignore any segment of the population, deride and ignore it and it's opinions, it's media outlets, it's votes so long as they (the canidates) do not argee with it and it comprises 25% of the population or less. Interesting.
On another note, I do believe that this makes John Edwards the most qualified canidate to lead the Democrats. I mean, isn't their battle cry for Iraq, "Run Away! Run Away! Run Away!"?

Arthur/ John Murtha: "Our running away has seemed to confuse it."
Sir Robin/ John Edwards: "Good, let's run away again and confuse it some more."

As for the debate, bet they're really ducking it because no one knows the airspeed of an unladden swallow, African or European.

Ah, where is the Holy Handgrenade of Anitoch when we really needed? "And they being naughty shall be snuffithed." All that's missing here is the coconut shells.




Fox news
advocates BIG GOVERNMENT, every bit as much as CNN. Neither expounds limited government CONSERVATIVE principles.

Free Airtime????
If all the candidates are invited, will the Republicans get a FREE (both politically and financially)pass to share their view points with Fox viewers?

Just curious

On DailyKos
the debate over their candidates goes like this:

About half the people think it was the wise thing for the candidates to drop out of this debate.

The other half think the candidates should go on Fox so they can reach those right wing viewers and get them on their side.

Laughable. Both arguments over there.

Anyone who is too afraid of Fox news does not need to be POTUS. Cowards all!!

Well we can shut off the lights and go .
Democrap Avenger, you made long post about how you learned about Vietnam by watching TV? Jesus H. Christ, aren't you the least bit embarrassed?

John and Elizabeth Edwards
John and Elizabeth Edwards are elitist snobs who condescend to the public with platitudinous bushwa.If Edwards grew up without a lot of money he has certainly learned to take on all the pretentious airs of rich louts who are protected by their fat wallets from genuine engagement with real people and their problems. Engagement being different than stump speeches, Mr. Edwards.
Elizabeth Edwards' prissy disdain for Monty Johnson reveals nothing about him but quite a lot about her and the craven bum she married.

Democrats here on TH...
...please fill me in, here:

If, say, Fred Thompson, out of concern for unfair, partisan treatment, refused to debate on NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, TBN, or be interviewed by the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, the Boston Globe, the LA Times, the Chicago Sun-Times, the Cleveland Plain-Dealer, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette... (list of leftist-run publications truncated for mercy's sake)

...what would you say about him?

Naughty, naughty
I read that Mrs. Edwards called her neighbor (she has never met him) a "rabid, rabid Republican", and was afraid of him.

Naughty, naughty republican neighbor.

Fox bias
I have been watching Fox for YEARS, before that I watched CNN. Fox is at best just right of center when it comes to the way the REPORT news. They do have some very conservative commentators, but in actual news coverage they are just right of center at best. I am often frustrated with the things they DON'T cover, or that they gloss over, things that would definitely anger a liberal as they would expose liberal bias even more.

The paranoia over Fox only highlights just how far to the left the rest of the press is, if to liberals Fox looks like some extreme right wing propaganda machine. Just because they aren't carrying water for the left doesn't mean they are carrying water for the right.

You want to talk bias, and reporters being cozy with those they should be objective about then you are looking at the wrong side of the aisle, and the wrong network...as has been pointed out time and time again, it's all the other networks both cable and the big three broadcasters that even when they absolutely have to report something negative about a Democrat do so half-heartedly.

It really just amazes me the way the left absolutely must destroy, not just disagree with, their opposition.

Oh, and one last thing, I am so sick of hearing people try and portray Bush as some extreme right winger. Except for his stance on the war he leans more left than right. When he was first elected I was upset as he was clearly a moderate. His joint effort with one of the biggest liberals Teddy "The Swimmer" Kennedy to expand government influence in education with No Child Left Behind, his weak positions on immigration, all the pork barrel spending he approved, his constant cow-toeing to the left.

You leftists say he essentially disregards those not in his base? That is complete B.S. EXCEPT when it comes to something that really can't be compromised on, the war on terror. In fact his biggest problem is that he refuses to really challenge the left when they do things that are total B.S., he is really rather soft.

Now when it comes to the war on terror, I am thankful that he remembers that no matter what our justification would be for retreat the enemy will ONLY see it as a victory, ONLY see it as proof we can't hack it ONLY see it as an "I told you so, America can't stomach a real fight...just like Bin Ladden Said." and it will only make things worse for us in the long run and cost far more lives. You lefties just don't get that, either that or you don't care so long as you can deliver a defeat in order to get back in power.

It became QUITE clear that only a year after 9-11 the left began to wake up to the idea that should we succeed in Iraq it would be a political disaster for their hopes of gaining political power. That's when the effort to undermine the war began in earnest, when every set back, every embarrassment had to be highlighted and blown out of proportion. The left was almost as eager to shame this nation as Al Jazera, heck it has become so bad that Al Jazera and Al Quada doesn't even have to think up their own propaganda, they can't just parrot the left in the U.S.

Democrat Avenger
Is this the brave Kerry you Democrats are so proud of?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41106

R.A.D.Dad
You make some very good points. In fact, there seems to be less tapes coming from the terrorists since they have the democrat/socialist party to do their
dirty work for them.

Another thought
on this is that Ann Coulter was right when she called Edwards a faggot. He certainly is confirming her view of as being a wuss.


Edwards must have something to hide.
If Edwards is afraid he might be tossed a hardball question on FOX then there is something he is ashamed of and trying to keep in the closet.
Too late for that.
Ann already outed him!

Yeah Peppermint and HockeyGoon!
Peppermint-Yep, Ann was right, he sure is!

Hockey Goon- I just love how you turn a phrase!

Who's afraid of the Big Bad Fox?
Mother Hen Hillary and her brood of capons, that's who.

MyOpine: Actually
I heard it was because someone told the Breck Girlie Man that Fox's makeup department wasn't that skilled.

Something about the wrong brand of hairspray....


What's BO's
excuse? Well, there is a rabid left wing in this country that believes that Fox news is anti black.
Geesh, where do these people come up with this stuff?

BrianR
Think back to Sunday, 8th, Cathryn Jean Lopez thread;
Remember the stray cat that hissed at every single Conservative who posted and managed to get himself tossed out?
He's back.
Must have 9 lives.
This is the 2nd time he was tossed out and returned the next day.

MyOpine
I knew this would come out sooner or later about Kerry. That link you posted should be a must read for everyone. The Swifties have been saying this all along. Perhaps there is still hope that Kerry will be tried for treason.

MyOpine
Oh I thought that article was from this month, this year. I recall that now back in 2004 and nothing has happened to Kerry as yet. Well, he and Sandy Burglar can go down in history as two traitors that got off free of charge. Disgusting.

Whoops, forgot to plug
my blog with BrianR's After action report of the taking down of Johnny Sutton. It's Chapter 11 of Juliet's diary.
http://peppermintsplace.townhall.com

POWs LAWSUIT COULD FORCE KERRY TO COME
Hey, youmakemelaugh2---Read this and stay tuned

POWs LAWSUIT COULD FORCE KERRY TO COME
CLEAN ON VIETNAM ‘WAR CRIMES’ CHARGES

When John Kerry slandered an entire generation of men who fought in Vietnam he branded them as "war criminals." Today, much of the same thing is being said about our young men and women in Iraq.

Now, a lawsuit filed in Philadelphia’s Court of Common Pleas will test the very foundation of Kerry’s anti-war persona for the first time. It isn’t dubious medals or Kerry’s disputed service record in Vietnam that is being called into question. This time Kerry may finally be forced to answer for the events that launched his public career, one that made him an anti-war hero for many American liberals and a turncoat for millions of Vietnam veterans.

The lawsuit (Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation, et al. v. Kenneth Campbell, et al.) challenges the basis, the factual accuracy of then Lt. (j.g.) Kerry’s acrimonious testimony before the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1971. It was there Kerry’s public career was catapulted with his now ubiquitous portrayal of American soldiers as murderers, rapists and torturers "who ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam . . . [and] razed villages in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan."

For the anti-war, anti-American protesters, the American soldiers are the "terrorists," and the enemies are the victims of a barbaric U.S. military which tortures and murders defenseless civilians.

That false premise, one of the most vicious and enduring smears spawned by Kerry 35 years ago, will also be put to the test once Kerry’s true "Band of Brothers" are put under oath in a Philadelphia courtroom.

The background to this lawsuit is long and complex, but even a condensed version is rich in irony and poetic justice.

It had it roots in 2004 with the documentary Stolen Honor: Wounds that Never Heal. Many may recall the film, although it is probably best known for not being seen, suppressed after Sinclair Broadcasting Company courageously announced it was going to air the documentary in its entirety. Thanks to Kerry and his liberal colleagues in the Senate and their enablers in the mainstream media, Sinclair was browbeaten into withdrawing the film, its broadcast license threatened by a Kerry campaign manager in 2004. The film’s producer, Carlton Sherwood, a Pulitzer Prize and Peabody Award-winning investigative reporter, interviewed former POWs for the documentary.

I was among those whom Sherwood, a decorated Marine combat veteran himself, asked to participate in Stolen Honor. I was a POW for nearly six years, held in North Vietnam prison camps, including the notorious Hanoi Hilton, a place of unimaginable horrors -- torture, beatings, starvation and mind-numbing isolation. When Kerry branded us "war criminals," he handed our captors all the justification they needed to carry out their threats to execute us. Thanks to Kerry, Jane Fonda and their comrades in the anti-war movement, our captivity was prolonged by years. The communists in Hanoi and Moscow couldn’t have had a better press agent to spread their anti-American propaganda.

To guarantee Stolen Honor would never be seen by anyone – not even theatre-goers – the producer was slapped with a libel and defamation lawsuit.

The POWs and the wives of POWs who participated in Stolen Honor refused to abandon the facts conveyed in the film. For some of us, it was the first time since our release by the Communists in 1973 that we were able to have our voices publicly heard, to tell our stories about the consequences of Kerry’s treachery. In 2005, we formed a nonprofit organization, the Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation (VVLF), to gather records, documents and other materials to form a fact-based, educational repository for students and scholars of Vietnam history and to tell the true story of the American soldiers in Vietnam. The VVLF’s mission is "to set the record straight, factually, about Vietnam and those who fought there."

For our efforts, we were promptly sued by Campbell and another long-time anti-war Kerry follower and VVAW member, Dr. Jon Bjornson. It was clear that Kerry not only wanted to punish us for Stolen Honor; he intended to use surrogates to sue us into permanent silence and financial ruin.

Forced to spend huge sums to defend ourselves from these frivolous lawsuits, we have filed a countersuit against these Kerry surrogates and intend to reveal the truth about the lawsuits and their sponsors. We believe that we can prove that the purpose of nearly two years of litigation was to cover up for Kerry’s treachery, to drain us financially and spiritually, and to prevent us from setting the record straight.

At stake is ultimately nothing less than the integrity of the American military in Vietnam, the honor of the men who served their country, the nobility of those who gave their lives, and the truth of America’s history in Vietnam. Until or unless we do correct the existing record, the American military may never be free of the myths and smears of Vietnam, its honor and integrity cleansed as it fights to defend freedom at home and around the world.

Our mission is hardly over. We hope you will join us in fighting this battle . . . for our soldiers, then and now. For more information about Vietnam, the foregoing litigation, or to make a donation, please access the VVLF website now.

Col. George E. "Bud" Day
Director and President,
Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation

Col. George E. "Bud" Day, USAF (Ret.,) was a POW in North Vietnam for five years, seven months and 13 days. He served in three wars (WWII, Korea, and Vietnam) and earned the Medal of Honor. He is the Air Force’s most decorated living veteran. He is the Director and President of the Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation, Inc., an organization created to better educate and inform the public about the Vietnam War, its events, its history, and the men and women who sacrificed to serve their country. Please go here to read Col. Day’s statement in its entirety.

This request for support is not addressed or available to legal residents of Mississippi, Minnesota, Washington (state), and Utah.

FOX and Democrats
You could teach a college-level course in propaganda tactics and techniques just by watching FOX for a few months and taking careful notes. During that time, you will see everything from careful guest selection to loaded questions to eye-rolling by the girl reporting the news. Anybody who thinks FOX News is an objective news outlet is nuts. And, if you didn't have any other evidence, the fact that Cheney chooses FOX when looking for a place to bestow his interview gems ought to tell you something.

I applaud the decision of any Democrat who refuses to appear on FOX.


No excuse for refusing a debate
Unless it could be shown that the Fox network would try deny someone their chance to have their veiws aired. But see thats what librals do when they disagree with the other sides veiws they try and shut it down.

conservatives are afraid that true their belefs wont get out and liberals are afraid that their true beliefs will get out.

And Another Thing
Monica Goodling, the little 29 year-old lawyer with 7 years of professional experience, no prosecutorial experience, and degrees from two Christian schools, who had the cushy job of deciding which US federal prosecutors should be fired, has resigned and taken the Fifth because she doesn't think she could get a fair hearing "in the current climate of political hostility". Well, hello. That's the same reason Edwards refused to debate on FOX. Sauce for the goose, and all that sort of thing.

Democrat Avenger lost me at "so"....
To Democrat Avenger:

You lost me at "so"...

As in "So this notion that kerry was lying when he went to Congress is bullsh*t."

You tell a story about your experiences with a Vietnam Vet (which, anyone really interested in the truth would not, thereby, be able to draw much from this one story; but, I realize it is easy for you to catapault your imagination from one story--it's how you think and frankly, why you believe the way you do. Luckily, most scholarly work does not follow your methodology) which says nothing about your conclusion, and then commit a non-sequitor when you then say, "so"...

lilly
Your empty head is proof of the old Navy saying;
"Empty vessels make the most noise."

MSM makes a general practice os slanting & FABRICATING news.
If you were not so blause you might notice something missing from MSM.
Have you EVER seen them broadcast anything a gun owner or a conservative would consider "good news"?
Is it possible that perhaps your news is censored and "spun"?
Check this out and you might learn something.
http://www.mrc.org/archive/realitycheck/welcome.asp

Louie
Do you have a website link I could go to please.
I want to contribute to their effort to get this exposed.

lilly
So, you can sit down and see that Fox news is unfair. How many times have you actually watched Fox?
Have you also sat down and watched CNN or MSNBC?

Do you notice any bias on those cable stations?

If not you have no mind or no brain.

MyOpine: LOL
Yeah, like HIV, the gift that keeps on giving.

Lilly: You're cracking me up, girlie!
"just by watching FOX for a few months and taking careful notes. During that time, you will see everything from careful guest selection to loaded questions to eye-rolling by the girl reporting the news"

Yeah, as opposed to those paragons of objectivity and unbiased reportage, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, etcetera, ad nauseum.

Oh, please, don't you even realize how hilarious your hypocritical sanctimony is?


lilly
Here's a question for you, all knowing note taker.
Did you watch Fox news weekend with Chris Wallace?
He had on Newt Gingrich and Chuckie Schumer?
Did you notice how they both got tough questions?
Did you notice how Wallace did not let either one of them escape their past statements on issues?

So, Wallace has on a con and a lib, they debate, they both get treated the same.

Now, where did you see bias in that if you watched it?

So curious as to what your answer will be.

lilly
Dan Rather called. He wants his journalistic morals back.

I am astounded by the
venom hurled at Fox News.

For years upon years, we have had nothing in this country but news coming from the left wing media.
For years, we've had to listen to their spin on all events to their advantage, whatever their agenda was. The democratic party and the MSM have been operating hand in hand for years and years.

Now, we have something different, Fox News and ever since its' inception the left has been screaming "FOUL".

The left in this country proves the point over and over that they have no tolerance for any other viewpoint but their slanted, anti-American bullsh*t.

Well, all of you go cry in your corners and if I were you I would be embarrassed and ashamed that my candidates lacked so much integrity and were so afraid of a little old news outlet. You all need to go hide under your beds and suck your thumbs, you bunch of babies.



Who's biased and who's just plain false?
What follows is a brief list of LIES told by the left media in recent years.

1. Lie: Bush shirked his ANG duty. Liar: CBS Anchor Dan Rather. Reality: NO evidence supports this. To the contrary, all records, which GWB authorized making public, show Bush learned to fly jet fighter planes and EXCEEDED the required number of "points" required of him during his enlistment.

2. Lie: Jessica Lynch fought bravely before being captured and was not sexually assaulted or molested after she was captured. Liar: The "New York Times". Reality: Do I have to say it?

3. Lie: Al Gore used to be the next President of the United States and was robbed of the office when Bush was "selected, not elected" by the US Supreme Court, who stopped the recount. Liars: ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, USA Today, the "New York Times", and about 90% of all major daily papers in the country. Reality: Bush won EVERY count and recount of the Florida vote, including the one done by an MSM consortium headed by the New York Times and the Miami Herald under FOIA.

4. Lie: The claim that Bush "lied" about Saddam trying to buy yellow cake in Africa. Liars: the entire left media. Reality: The Senate Intelligence Committee concluded, after interviewing Joe Wilson, that Wilson's work in Niger SUPPORTED Bush's claim. Also, journalists Michael Fumento and Kenneth R. Timmerman, ON THE GROUND IN IRAQ, have both reported that coalition forces discovered 1.77 metric tons of yellow cake in Iraq.

5. Lie: Saddam had antipathy, not sympathy, for al Qaeda, and therefore al Qaeda was not in Iraq before we invaded. Liars The entire left media. Reality: The leaders of the so-called "resistance" included al Qaeda lieutenants who had been in Iraq for more than a year, ginning up anti-US sentiment, before we invaded. One of these al Qaedas was responsible for blowing up the mosque that incited the so-called "civil war" in Iraq between Sunni's and Shiites.

6. Lie: US prison guards flushed a Koran down a toilet at Gitmo. Liar: Michael Isikopf, Newsweek. Reality: Try to flush a book, any book, down your toilet and see how far you get. Then try it with an asian type toilet like is used at Gitmo (hint: these toilets don't flush, they drain). Isikopf, embarrased by his naivete in printing this ruse, offers to resign, BUT THE LIE LIVES ON.

7. Lie: after Isikopf's lie survived his offer to resign, idiotic Democrat Congressmen and Senators 'inspected' Gitmo and came back with lies of their own. Dick Durbin compared it to a Soviet Gulag and some bimbo Democrat Congresswoman said the "torture" she couldn't find at Gitmo most be going on on ships. Liars: Every left media outlet carried this 'story' without rebuttal. Reality: Prisoners at Gitmo are so "poorly" fed that they have gained an average of 20 lbs each. They get three squares and 5 prayer sessions each day, their own prayer rugs, exercise sessions daily, and by the time the allegations of "torture" surfaced nearly all of them had been there too long for them to have any information that was still useful, so there was no incentive to torture them. Also, more than a dozen Gitmo prisoners who had been processed and released had been captured a second time in combat against US troops in either Afghanistan or Iraq.

8. Lie: an unnamed and unspecified group of White House staffers conspired to "out" Valerie Plame as retribution for Joe Wilson exposing Bush's "lie" about yellow cake. Liars: the entire left media. Reality: Plame was outed by anti-war Assistant Secretary of State Richard Armitage. Also, see item 4 above.

9. "Every" scientist and climatologist of note has agreed, by "consensus" to the theory of AGW, ergo "the debate is over". Liars: the entire left media. Reality: the number of scientists dissenting and/or expressing reservations about AGW is greater than the "consensus" supporting it. In other words, the debate is only just beginning.

10. Lie: Hurricane Katrina was caused by Bush's refusal to sign Kyoto. FEMA's neglect resulted in dozens of refugees being assaulted raped, and even murdered in the Superdome. Liars: the entire left media. Reality: AGW did not cause Katrina. The Clinton Adm. voted AGAINST the final draft of Kyoto and never asked the Senate to ratify it. On its own the Senate resolved 95-0 to reject Kyoto. The failure to evacuate New Orleans prior to Katrina was a result of the incompetence of Democrat Mayor Ray Nagin. The biggest delay in the arrival of the relief effort was caused by the indecision of Democrat Governor Kathleen Blanco. The levee broke because the federal money sent to build it to stand against a Level 4 hurricane was divvied up by corrupt local (mostly Democrat) politicians. There were virtually no rapes, murders, or violent assaults in the Superdome. And Democrat Congressman William Jefferson was even able to "withdraw" $90,000 in cold cash from his freezer with the help of Natioanl Guard troops and equipment.

Did FOX spread any of these lies? Has Fox spread any other lies of similar seriousness? Are you stuck on stupid?

Don't hand me this crap that Edwards is avoiding Fox because he can't get a fair shake. He's avoiding Fox because he's afraid he'll get a few fastballs instead of a steady diet of softballs.

First of all, thank God
for FOX. Peppermint, I could not agree more.

Second, Louie, that was a superb post. I got chills reading it, thinking of my father (who served in Vietnam)and who recently passed away. Thank you for the information.

Wiseone, another superb post.
Clear, concise, and to the point...at least for those of us who do not partake of the Koolaid.
Thank you.

Another fairy tale exploded
Here's another fact to explode you libs reality.

Which news outlet was the first to report that GWB had a DUI in his past?

No, it wasn't Keith Olbermann.

It was Fox news.

Fair and balanced anyone?

not ashamed to be right
I'm with you. My brother served in VN and I would like to see this lawsuit once and for all resolve this issue and dissolve the scars that war left on our families. I would like to see Kerry pay for what he did to the soldiers. I am so sick and tired of that man having gotten away with what he did for so many years. I'm sick and tired of him browbeating other people into silence. He needs to be exposed for what he is.

keep in mind
some on the dailykooks,setfiretodogslake,and dimwits underground think NPR is a far right outlet,supported by that evil republican shill Katie Couric. Pretty much anyone who does not parrot the talking points off the AP wire straight from the desk of Howard Dean

wiseone
Is was going to say "Good shot" but it looks more like a full clip!

Role of advertising
The reason Fox is trying to ge the democrats involved besides promoting their agenda is because of advertisng. Yes, Fox is the highest rating cable news show but they also get the lowest advertising revenue. CNN and MSNBC get more money in advertising then Fox. Why? Because they have more diverse viewship and better demographics. The more diverse your viewers are then the more money you get from advertising. That is why the Superbowl and the finale from American Idol cost so much to advertise. Everyone is watching and you can hit more people with your product. Fox news caters to most republicans and the right wing. Advertisers know they lack diversity and thus can charge less in advertising. The 2008 election will more than likely be the most watched presidential election in a long time. Fox knows they need to increase the diversity of their viewship to increase advertising revenue and thus their profits. Fox news is going to hurt election night in viewership and ad revenue. Especially since this election is the democrats to lose.

Wiseone
Your post is well taken. But we should all be aware that when one lives in the fog of lies, one cannot see the oncoming cars.

How did that song go, “I heard the crash on the highway but I didn’t hear nobody pray.”

URL for legal challenge to Kerry
Peppermint, et al:

Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation is approachable here:

http://www.americans-working-together.com/id104.html

lilly, 5:13 PM
You wrote: "Monica Goodling... has resigned and taken the Fifth because she doesn't think she could get a fair hearing "in the current climate of political hostility". Well, hello. That's the same reason Edwards refused to debate on FOX. Sauce for the goose, and all that sort of thing."

Ummm... Ms. Goodling is being examined with the possibility of being arrested and tried for perjury if she happens to forget some detail; recall the fate of one I. Lewis Libby.

Mr. Edwards is being placed in front of other contenders for the Democrat's nomination for President. His downside is that he looks bad if he muffs a question.

Do you REALLY think these are comparable situations, Lilly? Really?

Besides that, I want to know how you'd feel about, say, Newt Gingrich refusing to go on CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, or TBN because he might get an unfair question from the perky hostess.

Face the fact, Lilly; Fox is no more biased than any network, and considerably less so than some. Any Democrat who refuses to go on Fox is a wimp.

harmony
Have you got a link to stats on advertising revenues for the various news programs? or are you talking off the top of your head?

Yes wiseone
That was an excellent post.

Louie
Thanks for the link.

harmony
You are the 3rd Lib I have seen lately that seems to be higher than a kite on something.
The other two claimed to be God.

Democrat's election to loose?
They had scant chance before this Pelosi goofup!
Democrats are habitual screwups and there will be many more.

YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE A VIABLE CANDIDATE!

Fox has double
the viewers that MSNBC or CNN has together. So how could they be hurting on advertising dollars?

I'd like to see the link to that info, harmony.

harmony was pretty much full of cr*p
This link:

http://www.stateofthenewsmedia.org/2006/narrative_cabletv_economics.asp?cat=4&media=6

provides hard statistics demonstrating that CNN was, as harmony said, the most profitable cable news channel at the end of 2005; but Fox is a close second, with MSNBC trailing pretty far behind. This was as of 2005.

This link:

http://www.stateofthenewsmedia.org/2007/narrative_cabletv_economics.asp?cat=4&media=6

shows that Fox is expected to have overtaken CNN as the most profitable cable news network once the 2006 statistics are all counted.

Harmony needs to keep himself up to date. Plux, I imagine his analysis was nothing but partisan blather.

plux
should be "plus." bleah.

Algore Python
and the search for the Holy Grail of Global Warming:

..."You have two empty halves of coconuts and you are banging them together. Where did you get them? Mercia is a temperate climate."

King Algore: "Have you not heard of global warming? There are no more temperate climates, Britain will soon be tropical"

...."What do you do with conservatives?"

Buuuuurn them

"Yet if you burn them, won't you create greenhouse gases?"

Oh yeah. Wait, we could build a bridge out of them.

"Ahh but wouldn't a bridge disrupt salmon migration and alter the natural flow of a river?"

Oh yeah. Umm...

"Tell me then does a conservative float?"

And so on....I find the whole idea of a python inspired spoof of politics would be fun, though I know that wasn't this authors point.

harmony
You don't get pizz-tests at Burger King?

Better watch out, crack will kill you!

Yeah, Fox is REAL worried about Leftwards, Hitlary, and Osama pulling out.

As I stated earlier, Rove is a GENIUS, playing you libs like Charlie Daniels plays the fiddle.

Just to let you know, I emailed my buddy Murdoch and told him that he should have three lectures, with the cardboard cutouts of Hitlary, Leftwards, and Osama and ask them questions while panning the camera on them! It'll be good for a lot of laughs.

wiseone
Your post at 0614 was outstanding! What an expose of pure liberal scumbaggery.

massachusettsLiberal
You seem to be the whinner around here.
Did you go get your wet diaper changed?
You come around here cowering behind euphemism thinking we don't know you for a Communist?

Eddie in the River of Life
The nuts are rolling again, and not just for Paydays---ooh I used to love them. I usually enjoy the Townhall postings, but I'm certainly getting tired of the loons who claim to be Democrat or Liberal---or are them no matter what they say. They don't seem to read or understand what's being said by the article or the Conservative posters. I can't claim they're not literate because they can read and spout from the Democrat/Liberal playbook with ease.

But, these people certainly seem to be on a mission. Too bad it's not a viable one. Lies and misrepresentations never convince anyone in the long run. But they try, they try.

Enter John Edwards again. Who is he? I'm not sure. He keeps backing away from debates, he runs despite his wife's illness, he garnered no great vote for the Democrats when he ran with John Kerry, and he impresses me not with his forgettable statements and quotes.

No Way John Edwards won't be elected to anything in the national scene. In fact, I believe in 20 years or less, no one will know who he is or was. He'll just fade away, even though he's not a soldier. Does anyone remember John Anderson or his political stance?

I stop short of calling John Edwards a coward. I don't know him or his political stance with any certitude. Even so, I do say he acts like a coward in many national concerns. How am I to know the difference? What comfort does he give me? None. So, for me he's doomed to oblivion.

Let's talk of something else. What kind of olive do you use in your martinis?

Here is a profile of
John Edwards.

While Kerry had to capitulate the election of 2004, Edwards was already dancing on the man's grave.
He hopped right in front of the camera so he could say he would be back!! Yippee for him, while Kerry stood there face shrunken.

While Edwards wife fights bone cancer, he goes on to campaign. Yippee for him, while his wife is dying he will still be on the campaign trail.

While women hunt for OBGYNs in this country, Edwards continues to campaign. Yippee for him while women may have serious complications for a lack of a doctor due to Edwards lawsuits against these very same doctors.

The moral of this story is Edwards cares about HIMSELF and no one else.

Att: WISEONE - Iraq consequences
Forgive me if I suggest that you change your name to dupedone.

For example, you list as lie #5 that Saddam and Al Qaeda were enemies. The truth is, of course, is that they were. Bin Laden considered Saddam an infidel because he ran a secular state. Islam was carefully regulated, with no fanaticism permitted. Women did not have to cover themselves. Iraq had the largest % of women engineers of any nation on earth. Christians could worship freely.

Don't get me wrong. Saddam was an evil tyrant, but he kept the lid on extremists. The US has had little trouble supporting tyrants in other countries when they were 'on our side'.

Now as to Iraq, what have we succeeded in doing? Let me list 20 things - and there are more.
(1) Saddam and his evil sons are dead.
(2) We have lost 3000 military and another 20,000 have been wounded, some maimed for life.
(3) Tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis have been killed.
(4) We have lost nearly all the allies that support us in Afghanistan (a necessary invasion).
(5) Only three nations are more disliked in the world than the USA - Israel, North Korea, Iran.
(6) We have strengthened Iran by freeing their Shia allies in Iraq. Moreover, Iraq and Afghanistan were Iran's major enemies.
(7) We will leave behind an Islamic state, more like Iran than Jordan or Syria.
(8) We're spending at least two billion a month on the way - a debt we will leave for our children and grandchildren. Probably a trillion before the troops come home.
(9) We now have a two-front war, with Al Qaeda and the Taliban resurgence in Afghanistan.
(10) The war burden in this country is shared by very few. Most of us go on as usual.
(11) The military is over-extended, with many deployed two, three and even four times.
(12) The American people, united after 9-11 and during our invasion of Afghanistan, are now sharply divided - most against the Iraq War.
(13) Over a million Iraqis have fled, including many middle-class professionals and Christians (whose churches have been attacked).
(14) The Middle East could explode into an inferno with our friends in Israel, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, etc., all threatened.
(15) Bin Laden is still on the loose, planning new attacks against the USA.
(16) Mideast oil, which Wolfowitz said might cost 20 cents a gallon after our invasion, could go sky high if the Middle East explodes into warfare.
(17) We found no WMDs, there was no Iraqi connection to 9-11 - both admitted by Bush.
(18) Profiteers are making a killing, with billions disappearing to where?
(19) Our forces are in a quagmire. How do we get out now?
(20) The Bush Administration, popular in 3-03, had become very unpopular by 3-07. What was to be a brief invasion has gone on four years and is holding.

By the way, I don't blame Bush so much. He seems like a decent and earnest guy. But three groups convinced him to make this huge mistake: (1) neocons who thought the invasion would help Israel, men like Wolfowitz, Feith, Perle, Wurmser, Abrams, etc. Saddam had been encouraging the Palestinians. (2) Iranian exiles who wanted power and position in a new government. (3) lobbyists and others of the military-industrial complex who have made billions off the blood of American military. (Ike warned us years ago) Shame!

Keep smiling.

MassachusettsLiberal
Please tell me fellow Baystater you're not another Lib-Freak who thinks FAUX is pronounced FOX....pitiful.

Roy
That is a big pile of conjecture.
Do you have anything to back it up?
Looks like typical Lib spin to me.
You invent this all by yourself or did you plagarize it from one of your Communist sites?

truthspotlight
They're pretty frickin stupid if they think that'll work. FoxNews's success is an emanation from its viewers. You'd have to kill the viewers to kill the network.

wiseone
I'm joining the chorus; that was an experience. Thanks.

jerubaal
That "Equal Time" law they keep pushing pertains only to FOX TV and Talk Radio.
Broadcast TV and MSM is exempt!

I had a link to the info but it is no longer valid.

This is valid though and will also tighten your jaw!
http://www.capwiz.com/sicminc/issues/alert/?alertid=9213151&type=CO

Roy
An incredible flood of hogwallow. Do you do ANY thinking for yourself, or do you allow the American press to do all your thinking for you?

We're not in a "quagmire;" we're in a difficult battle to bring stability to a country that extremists want for their own. We're making good progress, and a large number of those million or so Iraqis whom you say had fled, have come back and are re-establishing their lives. The extremists have, for the most part, left Baghdad, realizing that the US is NOT going to leave, and we're making good deals with some of the sectarians in an improved program of knitting the disparate elements of the nation together.

As to WMDs and such, PLEASE, PLEASE go back and read the AUMF passed by Congress. If you have even the slightest intellectual integrity, just rereading the reasons cited in that document will remind you just how TINY a factor a currently active WMD program was. The only reason they were emphasized even for a short while was to engage the UN, whose concerns were largely about WMD. That is, until the Democrats realized it was a club with which to beat Bush, and started wailing about them.

There are reasons I can see for an informed person to object to the Iraq war; but the ones you're citing are the reasons UNinformed people object to it. Don't trust the press, they're just plain lying. Find military blog sites and read what the troops are saying; find embedded bloggers and read what the real journalists are saying. It's a VERY different war than the one you've read about.

Jon?
I commented on this blog about Edwards character. It was there the day I posted it. Though now it is gone. Why I wonder? Is it because I questioned your character if you were in the same boat as John Edwards?

I was wondering
when someone was going to point this out. Thankyou Mr. Sanders, but you also forgot Obama, and Hillary. Another question to you and the American people. If one of these clowns gets elected are they only president of the people that agree with them??? Are they capable of getting a consensus on anything??? Doubt it.

hosekuervo
You really should lay off the Jose Cuervo. Did you miss Shep Smith crying in a live broadcast while standing next to a dead body on a overpass? Thought so. You can still bring up Katrina all you want but quite frankly New Orleans fell once again because of corruption and it is nothing new. Study your history. At least study your Constitution, and then let us all know when you become an expert in disaster management and relief. That was another Bush bungle. He should have stood up and pointed his finger straight where it belonged. Blanco and Nagin. Quite frankly their gross incompetance should have landed them in jail. However, you cannot blame them for corrupt cops, corrupt medical staff, and corrupt business'. New Orleans has been morally bankrupt for so long they do not even have a clue what the difference between right and wrong is. They no longer have a starting point.

wiseone
Thanks for the great post! I printed it for the record books! My teenager keeps a running file and uses it to combat liberal teachers. Hope you don't mind.
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