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Tuesday, February 05, 2008
Johnnie B. Byrd :: Townhall.com Columnist
McCain vs. Conservative "Drive-By" Media
by Johnnie B. Byrd
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Leading up to the Super Tuesday primaries, many conservative talk radio listeners, like me, looked in the mirror and found the enemy is us. Not exactly us, but our conservative talk radio personalities—the radio folks with which we identify. And we are sad for what we are hearing.

Almost 100 years ago (March of 1914 to be exact), H. L. Mencken opined adroitly about “Newspaper Morals” in the Atlantic Monthly. Mencken remembered the advice he received from his mentor:

Knock somebody in the head every day—if not an actor, then the author, and if not the author, then the manager. And if the play and the performance are perfect, then excoriate someone who doesn't think so—a fellow critic, a rival manager, the unappreciative public. But make it hearty; make it hot!

Mencken continued by applying this principle to “the man of politics”:

The primary aim of all of them (the media) … was to please the crowd, to give a good show; and the way they set about giving that good show was by first selecting a deserving victim, and then putting him magnificently to the torture. … Always their first aim was to find a concrete target, to visualize their cause in some definite and defiant opponent. And always their second aim was to shell that opponent until he dropped his arms and took to ignominious flight. It was not enough to maintain and to prove; it was necessary also to pursue and overcome, to lay a specific somebody low, to give the good show … They are always ready for a man-hunt, and their favorite quarry is the man of politics.

Well, some things never change, do they? Although they claim to despise the “drive-by media,” Rush Limbaugh, Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin and friends have resorted to using the age-old drive-by media “tool”—vilification of a chosen target, in this case Senator John McCain.

Mencken also said something to the effect that it is curious that even when the media want to glorify a person or cause (such as Mitt Romney), they are like a mechanic with only one tool with which to work: to excoriate someone or something, in this case John McCain.

I sense that Mencken would be proud of his prophecy and chortle a bit at how right he was. More importantly, this bluster by Rush and friends is not lost on most Republicans and thinking conservatives, like me.

There is a growing backlash of Republicans beginning to see the attack on “anything McCain” for what it is. You see, what we’ve learned over the years of listening to talk radio is to be critical, to dissect the issues, to be skeptical. And now we are of you Rush, Laura, Sean and friends.

Mencken also pointed out in his Atlantic Monthly article that the methods and motivations for attacks by newspapermen were several:

This was their method when they were performing for their own profit only, when their one motive was to make the public read their paper; but it was still their method when they were battling bravely and unselfishly for the public good, and so discharging the highest duty of their profession.

Whether the recent rants are purely for profit (Big Radio), or to increase listenership (Rush and Laura “high on their own supply”) or, ostensibly, for the conservative “cause,” the effect on a whole lot of listeners like me is the same: the sick feeling that our talk radio hosts are plain old newspaper men and women of the Mencken mold. A sad lesson indeed.

Today’s talk radio frenzy, including the recent contemptible attack on Bob Dole, remind me of Lincoln’s admonition that “little men” cannot become “big men” by tearing “big men” down.

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Johnnie Byrd is a lawyer and host of “Johnnie Byrd’s Weekend” heard on WGUL-AM 860 in Tampa Bay, FL.
 
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Really?
Then perhaps you should remind McCain of the "little men big men" quote from Lincoln. Except if you did, McCain would likely tear you down and hurl a few obscene epithets at you while he's at it.

McCain is a vindictive, foul-mouthed, arrogant jerk who does not deserve to be elected to the highest office in our land.

How COMPLETLY dishonest!!
We have specific and good reasons to dislike McCain. He goes out of his way to cause that. All of a sudden, it is OUR fault he is disparaging and insulting. It is really funny, that he (IN JANUARY 08)"gets conservatism". YEAH RIGHT, WE SURE BELIEVE THAT!!

Mitt's positions have evolved over the years, even when he changed his opinion he keeps his promises.

He didn't wait until January 2008 to make up his opinion. He is not perfect, but he seems to have, a much higher sense, of Honor than can be seen in McCain.

Stating your opinion on someone, whom you have often disagreed, is not Drive by Media. All of those people you have named have had the same opinion for years. Now, is the time, (during the Primary Season) to state our opinion and objections.

The Senator is consistent
John MCain can be trusted!
(to look out for John Mcain)


THE SENATOR IS CONSISTENT
Mcain can be trusted !!
(TO look out for JOhn Mcain)

Sorry Zomnies... Time to see the light!
If your candidate
- Tweaks playing field by buying media influence (Clear Channel – Hannity, Rush, Hewitt, etc.)
- Digs deep into personal pockets
- Throw tens of millions of dollars of stones
- Manipulates people with dirty tricks... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk6IJS3QN34)

Do you stick by him? Even with all of his tweaks, twists, and manipulations and he still doesn’t win WV do you stand by his Mittipulations?

Huckabee wins WV!

Zomnies need to wake up and see the light. America isn’t going to buy his lack of ethics and leadership.

Go Huckabee! http://www.mikehuckabee.com

Pro Life, Pro Guns, Strong Military, Secure Border, Strong Economy, Liberty, Freedom from IRS, common sense, etc., etc.!Go Huckabee! http://www.mikehuckabee.com


Linda
You note that Mitt's positions have evolved. True enough. But doesn';t it strike you as odd that they always seem to evolve in a direction that will get him elected? Every single time?

HUckabee wins WV
What a joke...and even more humorous is that you idots claim this as a win for Huck as if He had anything to do with it. Pathetic...

Hugh "Elsworth Toohey" Hewitt
The model for the evil "Elsworth Toohey" in the Ayn Rand conservative classic The Fountainhead was H.L. Mencken.

Hugh, Rush, and Dobson are all Elsworth Tooheys today. If you are a conservative, it is a bad thing to be compared to Toohey.

??????
"More importantly, this bluster by Rush and friends is not lost on most Republicans and thinking conservatives, like me."

=================================================

Interesting, so those opposed to McCain are by default the "non-thinking conservatives"?

I'm still trying to reconcile the idea of John McCain being a conservative - he's not even much a of a Republican.

Who wrote this piece???
Rush and the rest of talk radio are very consistent. They promote CONSERVATIVE values and ideas. They don't blow with the wind and " get into line " when a huge RINO like McCain starts making a charge to be our GOP candidate.

Talk radio has dome the correct thing

You, Johnnie Byrd, need to pull your head out and see why our best friends in talk radio are not the problem, they are the voice of reason and truth once again. Liberals, confused moderates, and fake Republicans who want to push the party left attack Rush and support McCain.

This is a fact that we all see plain as day.

Another Mccainiac shooting
for a 1 average.

the movement greater issue than election
The real concern for conservatives right now is not Romney or McCain, but BUSH! Let's be honest, fellow conservatives, W has been bad for the GOP, and a complete disaster for conservatives. Out of control spending, surrounded by a network of arrogant neo-cons, foolishly in favor of pourous borders... How we were ever duped into thinking the guy was conservative to begin with I cannot even imagine. Rove worked some kind of spooky voodoo on us I guess. But, in light of the dumbing down and redefinition of conservatism under Bush, why would we expect anything but a field of wishy-washy moderates like McCain and Romney. YES, I said it - Mitt Romney, the current darling of Hannity, Ingrahm, Ann C. and even Rush, is a shameless moderate. Check his record. How this guy is labeled a conservative, I do not know. If he had a lengthy senate voting record like McCain, he would appear even more of a RINO than John boy.

If we are going to salvage the movement, we had, at the grass roots level, better get busy and take it back from the talk radio establishment conservatives and the FOX talking heads. We had a candidate or two worthy of our support - Hunter and Tancredo, and combined they probably did not even peak at 4 percent in the polls. I'm guessing we are in for a beat down in November. If so, that's oaky. Let's just re-group and support true conservatives, not these phonies and establishment blue bloods.

Linda from Whittier Ca
writes, "We have specific and good reasons to dislike McCain"

Exactly. These are not ad hominum attacks. These are specific policy issues we are talking about. Specific character issues. Mr. Byrd decrys the attacks against McCain when the people attacking have very serious questions about him. They are not attacking him personally although you may think so. On the other hand, McCain has made personal attacks on Romney and lied about him.

You are right about one thing Johnnie, the enemy is you.

Talk radio and the four people mentioned are "The Media"? How about the rest of the media, hundreds of newspapers, thousands of reporters and talking heads allowing the early negative flip flopping attacks on Romney to go unanswered. How about them pushing McCain on us.

What kind of an idiot can take four people and claim they are somehow doing the same job on McCain that the rest of the media world has done on Romney and claim they give the media a bad rep?

YtNIght, Jack, Joe, pharoah
Yeah, HuckYOU wins WVA because The MacChurian Candidate gave him his delegates in order to block Romney--the exact kind of "manipulation" YtNit is beechin about. As for der Huckster, Michelle Malkin outed him on his "border cross dressing" ages ago. I will never forgive his "nativist" crack, so you can forget about selling him to me. He's wrong on Amnesty, wrong on Size of Gov (Education crap), wrong on Taxes (previous record) soft on Judges (Coulter). Last time I voted for a "Christian" Candidate I got the worst Prez of the 20th Century, Jimmy Carter.

Jack--uber Commiequeer Kerry thinks The MacChurian Candidate makes a wonderful veep and Obama a good Prez--how "evolved" does that make Mack?

Joey, I don't know enough about either Mencken or Rand to know their differences or limitations.
I believe both had some good points to make, neither are flawless. Neither do I believe "the super friends" Rush and co are Tooheys. Give evidence!

mick

Zomney dirty phone tricks.
Zomneys... Do you condone these dirty tricks?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk6IJS3QN34

Who is really the dirty unscrupulous politician?

Zomneys need to wake up and see the light. America isn’t going to buy his lack of ethics and leadership.

Go Huckabee! http://www.mikehuckabee.com

Pro Life, Pro Guns, Strong Military, Secure Border, Strong Economy, Liberty, Freedom from IRS, common sense, etc., etc.!Go Huckabee! http://www.mikehuckabee.com


vaughn
won't disagree that der Mittster is a poor "conservative". How you tar "the super friends" with the Bush brush AND Mitt's faux conservatism is too much of a stretch for me.

I liked Hunter too, but I don't see where we have to "take back" anything from The Super friends and Fox.

Rather I'd like to see the Super Friends call for a Conservative Congress to lay the foundation for a 21st Century Reagan Movement.
A document and statement of Principles, Aims, and Platform.

mick

I guess the author
agrees with the New York Times, Bill Clinton, and the other leftists.

Come on, let's grow up. Byrd is right!
You're right, Mr. Byrd. The conservative voices we once trusted are acting just like the liberals they're supposed to be against. It reminds me of the political allegory, "Animal Farm". In today's real-life case, the pigs occupying the farm house are not the communists, but conservative media. (Perhaps it's not a coincidence that the most vociferous anti-McCain critics are the fattest; a couple of these guys really should lay off the Twinkies! Their lack of self-control shows in more ways than one.)

I believe the good thing that comes out of all of this is that conservatives will learn to think for themselves.

By the way, I'm not for McCain. I'm for Huckabee (the only true conservative left in the race) -- and for FAIRNESS.

let me be perfectly clear about that
I regard The MacChurian Candidate (remember the ORIGIAL one was a POW brainwashed by the Commies)as Socialism Lite. I regard the GOPpers and mythical moronic middle moderates as having gutlessly compromised with the Commiequeers to the very brink of Socialism. Thus Mac's Socialism Lite buys me, my Liberty and the Republic only a slower death and a death made more sure by being slightly slower.

If Mac is the nominee I will choose to vote Hillybama and Socialism Straight in the hope the American people with choke on it and puke it back up in American Revolution Part 3.

The Gilt Bird Cabin CINO RINO GOPpers and M&M&M&Ms have shafted me with the "lesser of two evils" so many times that THIS time Hillybama might actually BE "the lesser" for the reasons I just outlined.

If Mitty is the nom, I'll have to think about it.

mick

New Definitions
Thinking conservative = compassionate conservative = reality based conservative = Liberal.

Johnnie says, a real conservative cannot win. We must win, therefore, we must become thinking conservatives able to adapt our conservatism as necessary in order to win elections. It may walk, talk, and quack like liberalism but, sshh its just a ploy to get elected, when we win we will do the right thing just like GHWB and GWB did. It's the wave of the future. We will make the democrats think we are like them and they will love us and let us run the government. I suppose it is the perfect solution if winning elections is all that matters. It is also the perfect solution if the end result you want is no more opposition to communist philosophy. One party. One country. One vision. Yep, might as well vote for Obama or Hillary.

@ thebigmick
Hi. It's nice to meet you; I have been reading your posts for some time!

I am one who wants the border secured by a fence but especially by movement sensors in the ground (tunnels) and by drones. The Indian Reservations and Nature Reserves along the Mexican Border make me think of huge gaping problems we may encounter in securing the border.

I would like those here illegally to pay a 4-digit fine, declare themselves, learn English, be a guest worker, and go to the back of the line for citizenship.

I feel those who do not comply *immediately* are rife for deportation.

In short, I favor Bush's plan.

Please unconvince me.

White Knight
writes, "Who is really the dirty unscrupulous politician?"

1. Hillary Clinton
2. Mike Huckabee
3. John McCain

You really need to wake up. The traits you assign to Romney are actually your own candidate's and you cannot even see with the blinders on.

Ethics
Let's see according to yt, a Romney call saying the Republican race is two way is unscrupulous yet accepting the McCain votes in WV is just alright by Huckabee supporters.

Yup, perhaps Huckabee should go back to the good book and use those pastoral skills before talking about ethics and being scrupulous.

Rush Limbaugh
has more name recognition than you Johnno.

How much is McCain paying you?

Did he promise to share his "I got shot down in 'Nam" protection screen with you?

Did he send Huckabee to give you eternal salvation for defending Captain McQueeg?

Zomney didn't earn WV period.
Huckabee is in this race to win.

Zomney didn’t get enough delegates to win WV. Is that Huckabee’s fault? Had Zomney not made enemies… he might have earned it. Don’t blame Huckabee for Zomney’s shortcomings.

Zomenys need to wake up and see the light. America isn’t going to buy his superficial flow with the wind lack of ethics and leadership.

Go Huckabee! http://www.mikehuckabee.com

Pro Life, Pro Guns, Strong Military, Secure Border, Strong Economy, Liberty, Freedom from IRS, common sense, etc., etc.!Go Huckabee! http://www.mikehuckabee.com

conservative principles, not packaging
Mick -

I just don't think it is possible to overstate the damage the Bush crowd has done to the conservative cause, and as much as I enjoy listening to your "Super Friends," their "carrying water" for the administration has been a significant part of the problem. It's nice that after the 06 slaughter Rush came out and said his water boy days were over, but in my opinion, that was too late. Come on, I think most of us figured Bush and company out long before six years in. And, Mick, I'm telling you, Romney would prove to be no different. The guy is the cardboard candidate. He is all packaging, but look closely and you'll find he has been on three sides of most of the issues with moral implications.

My point on this is that if we get beat, its okay. That might be the best thing for us if it will push us back to principles. Conservatism works because it is honest, not because it is compassionate in some synthetic way. Let's return to the principles and stop thinking we need to be popular. It will cycle back. Bush 41 was the biggest mistake Reagan ever made, because he began to slow the movement. Now, 43, has slowed it some more. Romney is more like Bush than Reagan, and will NOT help the cause in the long run.


Good avoidance yt
Instead of responding to the topic, you attempt to change it. Please discuss how a phone call saying the Republican race is two becomes an unethical process. While your at it, perhaps you can also discuss how accepting votes you did not earn is ethical.

A good comparison of the two incidents should show the difference in ethics. Especially the willingness of Huckabee supporters to make backroom deals just like McCain made backroom deals about judicial nominees.

Please... what a laugh
To suggest that Huckabee did anything unscrupulous in his WV win is laughable. Try telling yourself in that in the mirror and try not to smirk. Truth is, Zomney didn’t earn it.

What is being proven here is that Huckabee is in the race to win and it is NO two-man race. Zomney Camp arrogance is not appreciated.

Tilt the game board by owning talk-radio pundits, marginalizing Huckabee, 15 times the campaign funds, etc., etc. and that is a fair race? When today is in the books… you ready to have Zomney debate Huckabee? I can’t wait.

Zomenys need to wake up and see the light. America isn’t going to buy his superficial flow with the wind lack of ethics and leadership.

Go Huckabee! http://www.mikehuckabee.com

Pro Life, Pro Guns, Strong Military, Secure Border, Strong Economy, Liberty, Freedom from IRS, common sense, etc., etc.!Go Huckabee! http://www.mikehuckabee.com

Oh look what the cat brought in
Brian K seems to have a flare for strawmen and well, bazaar libel & slander.

Wonder who he supports. (No I don't.)

vaughn
The difference I see with Romney is that he kept his word about how he would deal with the different issues. Whether his position was conservative at the time or not, he kept to his promise. Unlike the other candidates especially McCain and his claim to still being "conservative". I would like to see his record for the last 7 years and the "conservative" rating for that time period.

yt
no better than McCain supporters. Just like McCain claims that Romney wanted timetables for ending the war, so to does Huckabee claim that conservative talk radio hosts are owned by, using a twisted logic, Romney. Geez, that is no different than Hillary's Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, as a matter of fact, it sounds exactly like it. Guess us card carrying members of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy are out to get Huckabee.

aDNA
The fight over that shamnesty of a bill is long over. All you need to do is go and read the bill. Obviously you can't be convinced or you wouldn't be here. However, 70% of the Americans were against it.

Mitt's evolution
Flame -

Please don't mistake me for a John McCain apologist. I have never cared for him. Romney's evolution, however, is disturbing to me. If memory serves, I believe his father was a very moderate candidate, his mother was a pro-choice (moderate) senate candidate, and Mitt himself was elected governor of Massachussetts. Now we are supposed to accept him as the "conservative" candidate? I will not. In the eyes of some he may be preferable as the lesser of two evils, but I don't see it that way. I guess my position is that after 4 years of Hillary, Obama, or McCain, we might come to our senses. I just do not think four more years of a phony conservative like Romney helps us in the long run.

byrd brain
this is a really stupid article.

the gyrations that he takes to call all of the conservatives that happen to disagree with many of mr mccain's shortcomings is amazing. it is almost funny how he is calling everyone petty, vindictive, dimwits when those charges seem to fit mr mccain to a tee.

this stuff may work on people that finish at the bottom of their class that have not held a real job in 50 years, but it won't work on us. wow, those "people" sure sound a lot like mr mccain, definitely not the sharpest knife in the drawer (more like a spoon)

vaughn and DNA
dna, nice to meet you too.

Vaughn---I won't disagree with you, though I am not sure to what extent The Super Friends carried water for W. I agree on getting back to principles. I'd like to see a "Reagan Manifesto 21". And I too have thought Mitt the GOPper Edwards, too plastic by half. And I agree he may prove no different. Given my choices though he rates a "maybe" on Immigration while the others fail the big mick pledge utterly. (try searching for it, I've posted it many times.)
And I agree that losing may be the best thing.

DNA. I've got to run, be back after 9:30. in a nutshell I'm not up enough on the Bush plan for distinctions. I fear a 2nd Reagan Amnesty. I believe the REconquista agenda is real.

I agree on learning English and fine. I want the border SEALED--WALL not fence, minefields, vicious dogs, radioactive waste, psycopaths with large caliber weapons and flamethrowers.
I am willing to discuss how a community could PETETION for an illegal to be allowed to stay on an INDIVIDUAL basis if ENCULTURATION could be demonstrated. Otherwise DEPORTATION HAS to be included. AND confiscation of assests of employers.

mick

Mitt's evolution
Vaughn -

I understand the concern about his "so-called" evolution. What I have seen is that whatever position that he has taken, especially in his political career, he has kept his word and promises. Based on that history, I would rather have him showing us he can keep his word on the conservative side of these issues than the alternative of McCain, Huckabee, et.al.

Vic, inre illegal influx
Dear Vic,

I believe we can agree that Fred Thompson was the best candidate.

I hope you can appreciate the fact that I am still at the bargaining table, and want the borders to be secured, fines to be imposed, English to be enforced, a guest worker program to be offered, illegals to identify themselves, and deportation to be a very real consequence (it still is not).

Of course, I could be more pure, but somehow I still manage to look at myself in the mirror in the morning, despite what the talkshow hosts say on the subject.

Mitt's evolution
Flame -

I hear you - I just see in Romney a candidate long on practical and short on principle. I'm telling you, we should have gotten behind a real conservative when there was still one in the race.

Yes, these men from border states
Arizona (McCain) and Texas (Bush) are states which appreciate better the "people" side of the law. (Look to guest worker legislation.)

Before you call me, aDNAmnesty, may I say that offering health services is the last magnet in the world I would offer to those illegally breaking and entering my country.

That is one reason why I oppose Mitt Romney's Commonwealth Care, and his candidacy (well, as a conservative, at least). Has he had an epiphany about that? Nay, never believe it.

@dread
"They were dissed !"

Oh, the poor babies. Did their widdow feewings get hurt because Rush and co. criticized the McCain/Kennedy disaster? If legal Hispanics feel "dissed" because Americans didn't want their law-breaking brethren in the country well too bad.

If the Repubican party needs to stoop to the level of the Democrat party and court the felon vote, then count me out.

In fact, I'm with Rush and Ann. If McCain is the nominee, I will not vote Republican this year. And by the way, I will do so for strategic reasons - to save the conservative movement.

The leftward tilt of the Republican party today is because we didn't draw the line in the sand in the past. If McCain wins then he will see it as a mandate for his liberalism. He will choose a liberal VP like Rudy or Ridge and that person will be the next GOP nominee. And so on.

If McCain is the nominee, we need to support an independent run from someone like Hunter.


speaking for myself only:
The thought of allowing 12 million illegals to remain inside the country is certainly bad news. But allowing Bill Clinton and the Hildebeast to occupy the White House even for a day, is ATROCIOUS, not just bad.

Those illegal cotton-pickers won't pack our Supreme Court with ultra leftists. And we can secure our border just as well with McCain calling the shots as with anybody else. At least he has a prayer of winning the '008 election. The other candidates are running for red, white & blue balloons in the upcoming convention. Nothing more.

Bobdole
All I'm saying is that Bobdole was a disaster as a presidential candidate. Another war hero who was annoited by the powers in the GOP. He lost big time and now he's giving Rush advice??!

I am here for something I want
and I am here to oppose everything I do not want.

I hope you all do not consider me a troll? One has no way of knowing, in the end.

dear beetlebrooks:
You insist on following the empty wagons ?

If we lose the next ten elections to those panderers on the left, who garner the entire Latino vote; you'll be satisfied ? Your hatred is showing, but yes. You still have ONE vote to send down the "super bowl" in your house. Just do it. I vote for McCain, who can govern without pandering to you & other apple-knockers like you.

@Dread
Were you addressing me?

gimme a break
Yeah, because if McCain wins, our country is going to go to hell. [/sarcasm]

Give me a break. You people really want Mitt? A huge flip-flopper who pays his way into everything? That guy is such a huge sleezeball, it makes me sick. And we all know Huck's not going to make it, anyway.

McCain, albeit not having the perfect perspective on conservative thought, it the best damn candidate this country's got.

I think so
Here it seems that being dissed is altogether different when the dissee is you.

Yeah. You.

Signed:

Dreadnaught

//

BRAVO JOHN!!
Excellent article!

Is there nay money trail on this?

Clear Channel where Rush and other conservative radio talk hosts are operating was bought by Bain Capital, a company founded by Mitt Romney.

I like both McCain abd Mitt, but for these conservatives media are constantly vilifying McCain in this primary is rather sickening as if McCain is worse than Obama and Hillary.

Could be the money factor? I know money is sourse of all evils.

Thank you very much, Mr Byrd,
for perfectly illustrating how low political discourse has fallen in this country. Speaking generally, ANY criticism of a candidate one agrees with is a scurrilous, unprincipled attack.

Why can't you admit there are real, honest policy differences between mainstream across-the-board conservatives and Sen. McCain? Is it that difficult to conclude that a man who has spent much of the last decade voting against their preferred policies may have some difficulty gaining their trust and support?

"villification"
Apparently, at least according to Mr. Byrd, pointing out the voting record and policy preferences of Sen. McCain is "villification."

Perhaps McCain-Feingold needs to be strengthened so that political candidates will no longer have to suffer such "villification."

Know nothings Know SOMETHING
A note on all you Reconquista Enablers out there, whatever your story is.
My Irish Ancestors came here LEGALLY fleeing GENOCIDE by STARVATION as NATIONAL POLICY! They were NOT met by signs in Gaelic, but by signs sayiing "No Irish Need Apply". They wer caricatured in the Media as Ape like sub-humans. They took the jobs that it was TOO DANGEROUS to use a valuable black slave for. And we ENCULTURATED, we learned American English and we worked our way UP. And we ratted out our own version of M something 6 or whatever that Reconquista Terrorist Group is (the Irish had the Molly McQuires).

I consider allowing ANY immigrant group to do LESS, an act of RACISM against my Irish Ancestors! And I refuse to enable in any way a group that says "For those outside the Race nothing." And "it isn't illegal immigration if they stole it from you in the first place."

And yeah, Dready, I understand those Racistbastids hate me, my culture, and my Country and are actively engaged in destroying it. And I return that hatred in full measure and in the exact degree I receive it. And if YOU want to bend over or kneel down to service the Reconquista Vote I DO say, be damned to you.
I consider it the act of a Lemming even more than that of a Quisling and a Traitor.

the big mick

Motor voter and immigration
And yeah, dreadlock, when those millions of Reconquistas are anmnestied and vote they WILL elect a uber commiequeer who will pack the court with uber commiequeers. Which is what you say you seek to avoid. How you gonna DO that?
The MacChurian Candidate is a Gang of 14 plankowner, remember? When he HAD a chance to stand up for Strict Constructionist Originalists he caved to his commiequeer buds. And you think one of HIS nominees is going to be THAT diff from Hillybama? First thing a Strict Constructionist Originalist is going to do is DUMP MacFeingold! Think he is going to appoint someone to do that? "Death Star" John? Kerry VEEP JOHN?
You MaCaniacs are in denial.

the big mick

one last on the Reconquista
Why anyone would want to enable millions of people who made such a cess pool of their own country before trying to export it to ours is beyond me. One look at Meh hee Ko ought to show you what to expect when you enable the Reconquista Culture.

Gilt Bird Cabin RINOs who want a Slave Labor Class dominated by a Ruling Elite--which is exactly what the Commiequeers want by the way--
I can understand not caring about the Corrupt Heffe Culture.

Harder to figure how "Americans" worried about our War for Survival against the Sandnazis can so blithely overlook the Southern Invasion, however. Failing to stop either one will kill us.

mick

nice try JohnnieByrd
You're right, we're babies with no core values. The same as those propaganda talk show hosts. McCain is a rock-ribbed republican except in a few areas like: immigration, taxes, profits, free speech, morals (Keating Five - which, btw, the country will be reminded of after he is nominated), and despising Dem/libs and organizations like the NYT. Yeah, he certainly reminds us of us. Wonder what deals he can make with the Dem/libs once he's Prez!

You and anyone else who votes for McCain is playing right into the Dems' hands. Who do you think will get the blame when things go bad? Ask GHW Bush what happened to him after he "reached across the aisle" and raised taxes when he campaigned against raising them.

Rush Limbaugh *endorses Mitt Romney
Does Rush have any pull anymore?

Hotair-Levin, Hannity, Ingraham and now Nobel nominee Rush Limbaugh (membership req’d): Big talk radio swings unanimously for Mitt Romney. Rush makes several solid points that you’ve heard before, mostly regarding how McCain represents the GOP’s national security wing, Huckabee represents its social conservative wing, and Ron Paul represents the economic conservative wing, but Romney is the one candidate who represents all three by himself. Romney is a late convert to all three, which as I wrote the other day explains why conservatives have taken so long to warm up to him.

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/rush-limbaugh-endo rses-mitt-romney


Never
McCain lost any chance of my vote and the vote of anyone in my family over the last four years of disparaging and disregarding our values. Conservative talk radio can be entertaining and enlightening, but whether conservative media supported McCain or not, he was toast in my household. Conservatives won't vote for liberals...that's the way it is.

The real fools are the Republicans (of which I'm not one) who assume that they will receive the vote of conservatives simply because we have no other choice.

In Rhode Island Repubs ran Chaffee in the last senate campaign. They did this despite the fact that Chaffee had an actual conservative run against him in the primary. National Repubs did everything they could to stop the conservative candidate. Chaffee won the primary and lost the election.

Chaffee did not get my vote. McCain won't either...he will suffer the same fate in the general elect...defeat.

Repubs can't win without conservative support. Blame the radio, but you should blame yourselves. Good riddance.

Mr Byrd is wrong.
McCain holds the same kind of contempt for big business as most democrats, especially the drug industry. He is a slave to those who scream about the horrors of man made global warming. He thinks the prisoners in GTMO should be tried in US criminal court, or released. He supports federal funding for fetal stem cell research. Shall I go on?

And the things he differs with most conservatives on, are not small trivial matters, but fundemental conservative issues. Why is it that Mr. Byrd does not see this?

I will tell you why: Because there are a great many conservatives, some of whom I respect, who have given up the fight for a more conservative government. Instead they have settled for one that is less liberal. To use a sports analogy, they dont mind losing as long as they cover the spread. Ok, thats more of a gambling analogy, but you get the idea.

Votes
It seems that most Republicans have voted for McCain
tonight. Somebody's not getting the message. Talk Radio will be fun to listen to tomorrow.

"The main reason today why McCain
can't please [movement conservatives] Is the illegal immigration brouhaha."

No, that's merely the most recently notable. Try this list:

McCain-Feingold, aka Incumbent Protection Act.

Failure to support the Bush tax cuts, using the the class warfare language of the opposite side of the aisle; worse, trying to snow us about WHY he failed to support the Bush tax cuts.

McCain-Kennedy. I know, this is somewhat redundant given the quote I started with. However, it bears repeating given his recent statement that he'd sign the bill again if it came back during his term, then quickly backtracked with "but it won't." This indicates that perhaps he hasn't really seen the light on "enforcement first", as he claims (and how many times was McCain-Feingold submitted before it passed?).

McCain-Lieberman. He appears to have bought into the climate change prevention hoax, and will saddle us with further economy anchoring costs & regulations to "fight" Global Warming.

The "Gang of 14." Principled stands on the rules of debate and procedure matter less to him than "congeniality" and "governance." Also, this throws considerable doubt on his promise to select strict constructionist nominees for the bench. He seems MUCH more likely to choose nominees that can pass muster with the opposition.

"Main reason?" part 2
The Keating Five. He was the lone Republican in this scandal (anybody see a pattern here?). It certainly appears that he adopted the cause of campaign finance reform to counter his role in this. The idea behind McCain-Feingold is, "Stop us before we "graft" again!"

Domestic energy production. His recent comparison of the desolate fraction of ANWR where oil production would occur to the Grand Canyon betrays an uninformed stridency that relies on talking points from staffers and/or lobbyists (though to be fair, he differs little in that reliance from most of the rest of our legislators outside of any issue they may specialize in, given how much they do for- or rather, to- us). And though his position on nuclear power is laudable, once again how hard will he fight for it against the intransigent opposition of the left he'll face?

Finally, given the near certainty of the Democrats continued control of the legislative branch, a McCain presidency would eviscerate the Republican minority as an opposing force to the left side of the aisle. As in Bush's Medicare Prescription expansion, it would be exceedingly difficult for the minority part members to break with a president who's so enamored with "reaching across the aisle" on domestic issues. (Though perhaps less so with a former Senator who's broken with them so often in the past.)

Ouch....the Anti McCain is on the rise
When you heard the so called conservatives prefer Hillary than McCain, you realize that they are confused individuals who very likely are not conservatives at all.

Rush and the gang are jokes. I think real conservatives are far better than those individuals.

See if you can grasp this, Petrovian.
We DO NOT prefer Hillary! Rather, we may prefer that her and her party get the blame for what we believe either her OR MCCAIN seem likely to do to the US on the domestic front.

At the very least, we certainly have the right and the duty to point out DURING THE NOMINATION PROCESS that we have serious reservations about someone running for said nomination.

Petrovian
It's not that conservatives prefer Hillary to McCain; we just don't see that much difference on many key issues.


Nyet
If John McCain is in favor of McCain-Feingold and I am not, am I supposed to vote for him ?

If John McCain is in favor of the comprehensive immigration reform and I am not, am I supposed to vote for him.

But Ronald Reagan signed an amnesty bill in the eighty's. Yes, he did. The borders were supposed to be secured and they never were. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Are you surprised that many of us don't believe and are skeptical.

I judge a person by what they do more than what they say. That is how I judge McCain. I don't need a talk show host to tell me what to think, and yes, I listen and mostly agree with many of those conservative talk show hosts.

I do believe that John McCain would be tougher on terrorism than any Democrat out there. But I believe that the Democrats will gain more control of Congress and force a pullout from Iraq and blame it on Bush's policies. But John McCain is a Senator. Senators are about compromise more than they are about principle. In the end I believe John McCain will find a compromise with the democrats on Iraq and they will abandon the Iraqi people.

I know I will never find a perfect candidate. I know that John McCain stands on principle, and have respect for that. But the problem is that much of what he stands up for is what I am opposed to. Should I vote on principle or be pragmatic. War hero or not, I am still voting for the President of the United States. My judgement is based on what he has done in the Senate.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Sorry John, you're not getting my vote.

Tibby

Mencken on politicians
"Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule. And both commonly succeed, and are right."

"Democracy is also a form of worship. It is the worship of jackals by jackasses."

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner."

"Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods."

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."

Difference: Liberal or conservative
A conservative THINKS
A liberal FEELS

reply to the giantmick:
Who asked you about those Irish ancestors ? Does it make you somehow extraordinary ? Teddy Kennedy is an Irish American, Bozo.

You claim to have 70% of the public against McCain, in terms of illegal immigration policy ?

Why didn't they show up at the polls ? Fact is, you believed the fringe; saying we had a majority of the opinion re: immigration. That made of McCain one of the other 30 %, and yet he's about to become the GOP candidate.

It means you overestimated the outrage in America over illegal lettuce harvesters and day laborers in our cities. You were driven by racial prejudice.

I wouldn't go as far as saying Rush and Sean are racists. They aren't. But why should McCain join your posse hunting down peons ? Just to calm your absurd fears. GROW UP ! McCain is our sole hope of defeating the Clintons.

Rush and Sean and the other hardline conservatives have also overestimated the "danger" of illegal immigration in this country. They have been blowing smoke up your @ss ! Much as I love Rush, he is merely wrong about John McCain. ANYBODY can make a bad call, except Jesus, Mick ! (And I love the Irish, Mate ! You are just half-asleep, is wot !)

I think I've just decided.
After catching Obama's rally speech from wherever he was tonight (can't really call it a victory speech because in the compressed cluster-**** going on today, they ALL get to claim some sort of victory- with the possible exception of Ron Paul), I've come to the conclusion that I'll only have the luxury of refusing to vote for the lesser of two evils if the general election comes down to McCain vs. Clinton, but not if it's McCain vs. Obama.

what is the debate all about?
Reaganite:

"Petrovian
It's not that conservatives prefer Hillary to McCain; we just don't see that much difference on many key issues".

What are the crucial issues?

For me they are: whether pro life or not, and whether pro strong national security or not. These are non-negotiable issues, the rest are more or less negotiable. Take for example taxation. Ok, it's ok to cut taxes. But at to what rate? zero percent? 10 percent? 15 percent?
What is the ideal rate? And what do we mean "ideal"?

See, there are many grays areas even on a single issue.

The so-called conservative who are trying to vilify McCain only emphasize on a couple of issues which are practical policy in nature, not on philosophical principle.

I am amazed at...
... how stupid the liberal core of the Republican party is. Juan McCain? Ronald Reagan must be turning in his grave! Forget what Rush, Sean and Laura have to say. Look in the mirror, better yet take a look at the RINO Juan McCain and realize how stupid you are for voting for him.

There is not a chance in the world Senor Juan McCain will be our next President. "Real" conservatives will not vote for him. The man is for amnesty folks... the sovereignty of the United States is at stake.

Anyone but McCain '08

A few other crucial issues, Petrovian
Illegal immigration (McCain-Kennedy) Note:you can't achieve one of your two non-negotiable issues, strong national security, with open borders and millions of unidentified illegal aliens roaming around.

First Amendment/Constitution (McCain-Feingold)

Global warming hysteria (McCain-Lieberman)

Supreme Court nomination (Gang of 14, McCain's remark about not nominating someone like Alito who "wears his conservatism on his sleeve")

Also of concern:

Keating Five scandal

McCain's purported outreach to join Democrats in 2001 and to be John Kerry's running mate in 2004

You're not the only one who has non-negotiable issues, Petrovian. To sum it up, McCain has the irritating habit of cozying up to liberal media and politicians while stabbing the conservative base in the back. We've had enough.

The big mick
You're ROCKING tonight.

How dare these morons chide us when we refuse to bend over and take it in the rear AGAIN.

I didn't much enjoy getting sucker punched by Bush. I don't plan on voting for anyone who holds me in contempt.

who thinks McCain has promised the Huckster VP if he stays in to take votes away from Romney?

the other day McCain said he expected it to be over today and then he would work to unite the party. He must be delusional.

Romney is a globalist and I don't believe his conversion to conservatism is sincere. But I will not vote for McCain under any circumstance!

Bottom line for conservatives......
McCain is not a conservative and will never get the conservative vote. Without the conservative vote, he will not become President. And to most conservatives, if that means Hillary or Obama is elected President, then so be it.

It took Jimmy Carter to wake this country up and elect Ronald Reagan - maybe it will take Hillary or Obama to wake us up again.

The people have seen through Mitt Romney
On paper, Mitt Romney is perfect. He has the perfect position on everything. He has the perfect family, the perfect resume and so on.

One problem. It is all fake. I do not know about his family, but all of his positions are last-minute tactical shifts. When he was governor of Massachusetts, his signature achievement was universal health care, which is now being used by liberals all around the country as a model.

For some reason, the talk show hosts can not see through this phony. The people have, though. John McCain has many flaws, but the man is genuine. He is a real hero. I was proud to vote for him today, and I will be very happy when he is elected in November.

I hope talk radio gets on board, but, if they do not, they need to remember that the people decide, not the voices on the box.

Get Real
Don't Coronate McCain just yet. From here on there is only one open primary and that is TX and it is an open primary/caucus. There are 988 delegates to go with 19 closed primaries and 6 caucues

Further, only MS and LA are Southern which is bad news for Huck. Romney is strong in TX due to immigration.

The McCain opposition has some time to really open up on him now.

Romney would be dumber than a fence post to pull out now. At the very worst he can run this into a brokered convention.

McCain really cares
About his constituents concerns. Just watch this video to see for yourself.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1073039/dont_ask_mccain/

If that doesn't make you sick then go ahead and vote for this piece of Scheist.

You'll deserve what you get.

I'm with you BG
But contrary to what all the drive by's want, apparently even including Fox, DON'T expect Mitt to pull out any time soon.

He's in this to win and we're behind him till that happens.

It's the cause, silly.
As with me and Limbaugh and Ingrim, and all the rest. We fight for our cause, ONLY. If Mc wins, the Rep. party no longer has a cause, no longer has a reason to exist. Why pretend to be liberals with a liberal leader when the Dems so such a good job at their own game. Defaulting to the other side is senseless. If I have no reason to be in the Republican party as they no longer represent me, nor my cause that is my life, why bother with this? I'll search for some place where I can promote and support my cause.
McAmnesty doesn't care one iota about the Republican cause. It is all about His power. Mc cares about himself.
Limbaugh gets more listeners in times like this. Get real.

Disturbing Romniacs
I am a Huckabee supporter, and so relieved that the Romniac radio hosts didn't win. There has been extreme bias toward Romney by talk radio from the time Huckabee came in the lead. They smeared Mike first and went for McCain after he surged. They painted Huckabee as a liberal & anti Mormon (which is such a lie) and almost had me convinced until I did more research on Romney. It turns out that Romney is more liberal than McCain and has a record to prove it. He hasn't evolved. Mitt is the flip flopping pandering fib telling John Kerry of the Republican Party. I would vote for McCain before Romney based on his record alone. Romney is so phony and I think voters are finally seeing through the attempted brain washing of the drive by talk radio.
Romney stands for nothing. With McCain I know what his positions are (even if I disagree with some) and he doesn't pander to anybody. That's why we love him! He appeals to independents and is a hero in my book.

With Huckabee, we have the true conservative on family values issues and fiscal (love the FAIR TAX!!!. He was the clear choice for me and I am a Mormon. I told some talk radio hosts there would be a surprise today and I was right!
Huckabee supporters are very passionate and this has reaffirmed out commitment to his campaign.

I encourage Romney to drop out so that strong conservatives don't waste their votes. "A vote for ROMNEY is a vote for McCain."

Ron Bliss
Never talked to John McCain after they returned from the Hanoi Hilton. He wouldn't even say his name in public. That's all I ever needed to know about the creep. Stealing from pensioners with Keating was just icing on the cake.

prostitute yourself
Baaaaaaah, vote republican, baaaaaaah

Great post!
And it doesn't matter if 101 people on TH disagree with you...there are MILLIONS out there who feel exactly like you.

And guess what? They are making McCain the standard bearer for the party of Republicans.

The so called "true conservatives" can go back to being irrelevant and third party wannabes. They can continue to make up their own definition for words like amnesty and be as conservative and as exclusive as their 3% number.


It took Jimmy Carter to bring Reagan?
That's one of the most absurb arguments I have ever read from comments against McCain in favor of Obama or Hillary.

History in most cases, if not always, is unique. Reagan's rise to the history was not an accident and certainly not due to Carter. He prepared it from the very beginning. Read books about him carefully.

If Obama or Hillary in power mostly, it would be most likely re-elected in 2012 until 2016, and that would be enough for the liberal democrats to create a comfortable left-leaning Supreme Court and execute a bunch of liberal policies.

It's certainly ok to debate during this primary, and that's the reason we have it--to nominee someone that best represents the party according to the votes. All honest perspectives are welcome, but statement like "I will campaign and vote for Hillary if McCain is the nominee" from Ann Coulter and other the so-called conservatives and statement "I will stay at home if Mccain is the nominee" are not healthy and plainly childish.

I myself not keen of Huckabee, but if he is a nominee, I will vote for him in the general elections. There is no way that I am gonna vote for Democratic nominee.


You cannot build a strong party by promoting childish and ridiculous statements.

Speaking of riduculous statements....
Petrovian, John McCain voted to confirm Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer, possibly two of the most liberal of judges in the Supreme Court today. He then crossed the isle and joined seven democrats in blocking votes on Bush' judicial nominees. A left-leaning Supreme Court is just fine by McCain.

As for the democrats executing "a bunch of liberal policies", would those include Global Warming, amnesty for illegals, opposition to tax-cuts, attacks on free-speech, gun control and support for free-trade agreements that send American jobs overseas? Funny how this is precisely what John McCain stands for.

So Who is a Republican?
The very first ever Republican vote in the McCain
family was cast by John when he voted for himself for political office!

A famous war hero and self sacrsficing Naval hero
was a lot of political capital just waiting to be
spent.

He was not going to make 4 Star Admiral like his
father and grandfather before him but he could parlay his fame into a US Senate seat. The first one to become available just happened to be Republican opening. He would just as quickly talen a Democrat nomination as either would fit his plan.

His father was appointed to Commander In Chief,
Pacific by LBJ. That is the impressive senior command held by Admiral Chester Nimetz during WW2
and was senior even to Douglas Mcarthur. Johnson would bever give that command to a Republican!

No, John did what any politicly ambitious fellow would do with his capital and took the Republican opening. No, leapords don't change their spots, at least not all of them. Raised a liberal Democrat, and some of it will stay with you always. Only since becomming a Republican office holder has McCain represented Republican concerns. Republican is a title; Conservitism
is a way of life.

Huck is electable
Huck is the only remaining Republican who is electable because the south loves him. George Bush would not be President without winning the south. McCain has name recognition, Romney has money, and Huck has a message that excites average voters.

Wall St. Republican - Romney

Walmart Republican - Huckabee

Nursing home Republican - John McCain

Bossadai
You wrote: 'You people really want Mitt?' Yes.

'A huge flip-flopper who pays his way into everything?' Isn't this the pot calling the kettle black? McLame has flip-flopped on everything from immigration to tax cuts, and lied about his past positions to boot. He says that he didn't support the Bush tax cuts because they didn't control spending, but he told the Boston Globe that it was because they favored the rich. He claims that he was a "foot soldier" in the Reagan revolution and supported his economic plan which just happened to be mostly passed when McAmnesty came into office. It's funny that 90% of Reagan's former judiciary support Romney since McLib was such an integral part of the Reagan presidency. BTW, at least Mitt earned his own money and didn't have some sugar momma or shady Keating 5 deal or living off of the taxpayers' money.

That guy is such a huge sleezeball, it makes me sick. Talk about a sleazeball, McDem leaves his diabled wife for a rich girl and Mitt is the sleazeball? Calls us all racist because we don't line up with him and Lindsay Ghramnesty on illegal immigration? Oh, but now he wants to secure the border. With whom? La Raza? Will he have Geraldo or Juan Hernandez secure the border? Please...

Don't Stay at Home
But don't vote for McLame. I'm voting 3rd party - maybe Constitution party? Don't know, but there is but a hair's difference between McAmnesty and Obama or Clinton. Anyone else hear Obama say that his and Juan McLame's illegal immigration proposals are very similar?

Wake up McCain Supporters!

Looks like McCain is it
He might even get elected. Goodness knows, as bad as he is, there are plenty of reasoons to vote against whomever the Dems nominate. Its just that i can't bring myself to hold my nose one more time. Its time to vote for the greater of two evils. This way, there is a chance the evil will become apparent. McCain is not going to reverse the trend toward decadent mediocrity. I dooubt he will even put conservatives on the SCCOTUS if he should get the chance. It looks to me like its time for the voters to get what they want. Good luck kids.

Arf! Arf! Coastal conservative
So let's just follow this logic through, eh?

If no Republican can get voted in w/o "conservatives" (ie theocratic fascists), then what happens to the Republicans? As you imply, they disappear. But democratic politics does not admit of a vacuum, so what will happen?

A republican party free of the "conservatives" (ie theocratic fascists) will appear, a party free to promote free trade, lower taxes, less government interference, earmark abolishment etc etc.

Now, what's wrong with that? Not a damn thing. And sayonara to the 3% xian fascists! Wonderful.

Coastal Conservative
Its reached the point that with conservative votes showing as such a small part of the GOP nominating process, its hard to say just what the per cent of the GOP vote is principled conservative. I have had to revise my opinion the Reagan was elected by conservatives. He was elected by people who like RR. With the country so evenly divided, its hard to say whether the Hillobama baggage is more of a burden than the turnoff of conservatives for McCain. I'm going to have to let go and play spectator from here out. No use to ruin my disposition over other people's foolishness.
By the way, aren't you over in Tampa or thereabouts? Brevard county here.

Byrd Droppings
Mr. Byrd seems to be in the same mold as McCain--make any compromise to win the case--or the election.
Lawyer Byrd, here's a bulletin: Many of us including Rush and other talk show hosts believe principles matter.
But we don't have a law degree.

Byrd Brain
So , i guess another word for a "thinking" conservative is a f..cking liberal, Mr Byrd , you are just another win , at all cost rebublican. Frankly i'm sick of the whole process and with the idiot, brain dead voters in this country. So until Dr Savage starts the nationalist party, i'm done. I won't give up my principals, I am not a rebublican . I am a conservative. So all you Mc Cain voters don't come cryin to us when , Amnesty is signed into law, You are taxed out the a.. for global Warming,etc...etc.... I have to admit the M.S.M. And the dems pulled a slick one this time! No matter who wins this time ,they get what they want!

I thought the whole idea was
to ensure another clinton or any other onerous liberal would not see the inside of the WH this time around.
I thought it was about ensuring the next President was OUR guy who made the SC nominations so as to advance the conservative cause and protect our unborn future citizens.
I thought it was about keeping the finest military in the world strong and so keeping us safe at home.
I also thought it was about ending pork barrel spending and back door deals with corporate bigshots.

At least that's what I have heard from people like Limbaugh, hannity and Coulter for many years.

Now, they are perfectly willing to destroy the very man who can make that happen because he isn't "conservative enough" for them?

Gimme a break, that is the stupidest arguement I have ever heard. Romney "evolved"? He changes positions like a chameleon changes colors. You think Romney isn't all cuddly with the big corporations?
He's an outsider who will never stand up to the very people who support him and Limbaugh pushes him because he is a shill for the corporations and needs to destroy McCain to help them.

Ask yourselves this, when John McCain and a couple of hundred other brave pilots were getting their bones broken on our behalf in a North Vietnamese prison, where was ElRushbo?

If all of these American heros who know Mccain and his strength of character best support him along with almost every military guy I know, it has to make you think, why does Rush Limbaugh not support him?

If conservative icons like Jack Kemp, Phil gramm etal support him, why not Limbaugh?

You people are smarter than this.

Clinton is the enemy not Mccain, it is clinton who will be a disaster for conservatives, so why do anything to help her?

Limbaugh is playing games with our kids lives and this old vet says enough! You believe him at our peril, he's a liar with an agenda.


Carrying water for Bush
Rush carried the water and licked the boots for GW Bush who destroyed the conservative movement. Thus, he is complicit and now we are paying for his foolishness. McCain and Bush are alike. No one is going to spit in my face, tell me to shut up, and reach out to liberals and get my vote. I know backstabers and liars like McCain/Bush/Huckabee, and they well use and abuse to get their way.....when they have it........well we know don't we.

The party the Party
What about the people. If the best the party can do is a RINO good old boy from washington you clowns can hang it up. Rush and company stand for principles something the party dosent seem to have so keep going left and you become the other democrat party.

The party the Party
What about the people. If the best the party can do is a RINO good old boy from washington you clowns can hang it up. Rush and company stand for principles something the party dosent seem to have so keep going left and you become the other democrat party.

Good Column, Mr., Byrd
This is a good column by Mr. Byrd, saying something that needs ot be said. With few exceptions (e.g. Michael Medved), conservative talk radio has gone off in a very destructive and misguided path in recent months. There really has been no good reason for the hysterical attack on John McCain, whom all Republicans should greatly respect in terms of his being by far the best candidate in terms of being Commander in Chief and knowing foreign policy at a time of war withe the radical Islamic extremists.

gripe all you want
When McCain wins who are you going to vote for? Hillary? If so then a pox be on your heads. I'd rather vote for someone I agree with some of the time then have someone I agree with none of the time get into office.

Senator McCain
I don't care how much you try to whitewash Senator McCain, his record is proof that he is neither a conservative nor a Republican. He is a Democrat running under a Republican label hoping that will get him elected; his record is solid proof of that.

I would manage to grit my teeth and vote for the Republican for President, but not Senator McCain. If I wanted to vote for a Democrat, I would vote for the real thing. I Senator McCain is the Republican nominee, I will either not vote for President or vote third party.

need permission to use the toilet?
Limbaugh's kool-aid swilling flock continue to idolize this talk show host who never wore an American military uniform, even as he excoriates true American heroes, be they McCain or Dole.

Their denial is total. Their blinders will never come off.

I have problems with McCain. I am bothered by his seeming closeness to Bush on foreign policy. Bush foreign policy has been an unmitigated disaster of epic proportions. But McCain cannot be any worse. One would have to actually try hard, to be worse than Bush, on foreign policy. It would take a concerted effort.

Recently, I've drifted slightly more to Romney, specifically by Romney's purposful avoidance of including G.W. Bush among those GOP presidents he most admired(Teddy Roosevelt, Reagan, and Bush 41).

A step in the right direction for Roomney. I agree with him. I would not have included G.W. Bush either.

Still, McCain is a hero. He has paid his dues. He may be wrong on some issues, as is Romney, but I reject shills such as Rush stirring up their flock with such animus toward McCain that they'll sit out the election.

Do these people only go to the toilet when Rush tells them to?

I sometimes wonder.

Twilight Zone
Seriously, the primary reminds of the Twilight Zone show called The Monsters are due on Maple
Street. The most telling line is "If we keep this up, we are going to eat ourselves alive" They do and the monsters take over the next week. How like the republicans who are going to let the aliens(illegal ones and liberal ones) take over the street rather than band together for the life of their country.

I have listened to Rush, Sean and Laura but I am off the koolaid now. I find that the people that they most want to help is themselves. What exactly has LImbaugh ever contributed in moneytary terms to any candidate. He constantly tells us of his part in the Reagan Revolution but the truth is that Rush was never a foot soldier and was certainly not there at the beginning. Huckabee was a Reagan Republican from the 1970's as was John McCain. Rush is a surfer riding the wave of conservatives who came along with Reagan. The wave has crashed, and Rush doesn't want to go back out to ride again.

p.s.
For you erudite readers of Townhall, please forgive my excessive use of commas in the above posting, as well as my not proofreading on spelling(Romney).


Johnnie B. Byrd
Not to worry, Jorge advanced the New World Order and in a few years the job will be complete. Fortunately, the Russians and the Chinese and the Muslim world don't want any part of it so, in a state of constant conflict and anxiety everything should be pretty Okey!

Then you deserve what you get
I would manage to grit my teeth and vote for the Republican for President, but not Senator McCain. If I wanted to vote for a Democrat, I would vote for the real thing. I Senator McCain is the Republican nominee, I will either not vote for President or vote third party.
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Too many people have died for you to have the right to vote to just throw it away and not vote. Indeed thats unAmerican. Don't vote and you deserve the President you get.

Ditto there
jerabaub writes: Wednesday, February, 06, 2008 7:57 AM
need permission to use the toilet?
Limbaugh's kool-aid swilling flock continue to idolize this talk show host who never wore an American military uniform, even as he excoriates true American heroes, be they McCain or Dole.

Their denial is total. Their blinders will never come off.

I have problems with McCain. I am bothered by his seeming closeness to Bush on foreign policy. Bush foreign policy has been an unmitigated disaster of epic proportions. But McCain cannot be any worse. One would have to actually try hard, to be worse than Bush, on foreign policy. It would take a concerted effort.

Recently, I've drifted slightly more to Romney, specifically by Romney's purposful avoidance of including G.W. Bush among those GOP presidents he most admired(Teddy Roosevelt, Reagan, and Bush 41).

A step in the right direction for Roomney. I agree with him. I would not have included G.W. Bush either.

Still, McCain is a hero. He has paid his dues. He may be wrong on some issues, as is Romney, but I reject shills such as Rush stirring up their flock with such animus toward McCain that they'll sit out the election.

Do these people only go to the toilet when Rush tells them to?

I sometimes wonder.
**************************************
Pardon the pun but "mega dittos"

Talk Radio Against McCain
But Bob Dole WAS a true conservative who did not reach out to liberals like Teddy Kennedy and Feingold! Dole did not ever try to negotiate or give away true conservative principles.

Rush Limbaugh and other talk show hosts remind us that we should NOT forget that McCain tried to provide amnesty to upwards of 12 to 20 million illegal aliens. Limbaugh is correct when he asserts that McCain always is ready to make deals with the Democrats, but he never wants to seek true conservative views. Instead of capitulating on his "war hero" status, many think that he's betrayed America and national security with his amnesty program of last summer, 2007.

To suggest that McCain is the calibre or has the honest conservative integrity of the great Ronald Reagan is true blasphemy and those who support McCain should he become President, will be sorely and deeply disappointed!


Great Job with HALF of the "analysis"
Nice job rationalizing the McCain wins yesterday. Overnight, you've found a villain. In a nutshell, your premise seems to be that since the talk-radio crowd went against the eventual "winner", that they were wrong all along, and further, should have just kept out of it. Ridiculous!

If you had written this article yesterday, before the results from Super Tuesday were in, you might have had a chance of your argument being taken at face value. It seems that there are many out there who would rather bend or compromise their core beliefs and get to work rationalizing the "inevitable". For you to suggest that those people are the ones doing the self promotion simply because they have now, and only now, been proven to be a minority, is quite self-serving in itself. There are millions of people in this "minority" who AGREE with Rush, Laura, Sean, etc., not because we're drinking the kool-aid, but because principles matter to us. The world is not gray, it is black and white.

Trolls
n.a.,
You can go tell your handlers at Kos that you did your trolling for the day. Way to go comrade.

Radio talk only reminds
This guy obviously doesn't listen to the shows he lambasts. If he did, he would know that what he uses as the basis of his argument doesn't exist. Sure, sounds all so brilliant, but is oblivious to the McCain voting record of the last 10 years.

the Talkers
Yeah I suppose there could be something there, however we seem to be forgetting that it's also possible, indeed quite likely, that they are slamming McCain because he needs to be slammed.

We're talking about conservative radio hosts who are fighting the MSM's Republican candidate who is not a conservative. They (i.e., the talk radio people) want to see a conservative running, to which I would agree. I believe they also want to get the facts straight about who is and is not conservative (or at least who is more or less conservative).

We need to keep in mind that anyone the MSM is touting is probably not good for conservatives or America. That is the message the talkers are tying to get out about McCain, that is the message we need to be hearing, and then we can make up our own minds.

So Byrd flips us the bird
Real nice, Byrd. Attacking the real, genuine GOP founders for not likeing your RINO. I will be voting for Hillary...after all, your boy McCain said she'd be a fine president! Okay then...this time I believe McCain.

Yt_Knight.....Huckabee won WV!

Do you realize how obnoxious that claim is?! Huck took it from the real leading man, Romney, after McCain pulled out and gave his votes to Huck. A cheating and dispicable win is celebrated in your circles? Romneys dirty phone tricks? Your pastor sent out robocalls stating Romney didn't believe in God. Truly pathetic. Huck, another fine Christian man in the manner of Carter, Clinton & Bush. NO THANKS!!!

McCain is a hero!
So what? What a useless appellation. If it looks like a donkey, kicks like a donkey, and brays like a donkey, then it must be the jackass know as McCain. Pi** on him.

Byrd's wrong
The conservative "drive-by's" aren't just attacking McInsane for no good reason, they are just crying out in the wilderness that he is NO conservative and goes out of his way to spite the party and conservatives.

I believe there are those who truly believe McInsane is the perfect candidate... for the DPUSA. I do not care to "reach across the aisle" to the DPUSA, they are wicked socialists who crave power and despise the USA, our history and economic freedoms (what's left).

Early2rise got it right, we've (conservatives) have been given another bird... I will NOT vote for McInsane.

Yeah, forget that McCain guy!
We all know that TRUE conservatives like Mike Huckabee are the right guy for our country....

He calls for the destruction of the establishment clause, like all true conservatives shoud!

“[Some of my opponents] do not want to change the Constitution, but I believe it’s a lot easier to change the constitution than it would be to change the word of the living God, and that’s what we need to do is to amend the Constitution so it’s in God’s standards rather than try to change God’s standards.”
- Mike Huckabee

Hey Mike, I'm pretty sure the founding fathers read the same bible you did, and decided that a secular government was the right way to go.

But remember, McCain is the real problem....

Continue to drink the Kool Aid....




McCain
Very clever article. But clever is no substitute for reality. Guess your doing what you criticize the conservative "drive-bys" for - making money.

I and many other conservatives will not vote for a liberal Republican over a liberal Democrat. We will sit this one out and keep our powder dry. I am through with making the choice of whether to be betrayed by Pubbies or DemoRATS.

As Rush says, at least they will get the blame when the empire falls.

No more. No vote in November.

Charles.

You Are So Wrong!
Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin and Sean Hannity are NOT espousing conservative complaints against John McCain's apostasy to the conservative cause just to get ratings, to be rabble rousers or to just be different. I resent your appraisal of us conservatives as unthinking, uneducated and, yes, unwashed brutes who need to get our marching orders from our talk show hosts. That is surely not the case. I look to Rush, Mark and Sean for validation of my long felt beliefs in a country that is free from as much government interference as possible. To low tax rates that encourage investment and achievement. To encouraging people to learn that they CAN BE whatever they want to be, and that the government cannot become a hammock that damages their life prospects by destroying the basis for their motivation to do better and maximize their potential. That is why I listen to Rush, and I believe people like you who sniff your disapproval of us are just so much fluff in my jeans pockets.

Mr Byrd
First of all Republicans like you would look past all the very liberal positions of Mr. McCain and think we can ride this to a win. But win what?

No tax cuts to spur the economy. More illegals in your state? Don't you have enough already? No need to go on.

Maybe you should listen to Rush before you comment -- NOBODY -- attacked Mr. Dole. The only person to disparage Mr. Dole was the McCain camp that released the letter misstating what it was all about.

Conservative as you think you are -- I think not.

Clever indeed
This kind of article is not going to change the way conservatives think or vote. Those on the left side of the repub,ican party can take full credit for electing a democrat as the next president because I, nor any of the conservatives I know, will ever vote for Mccain. The attempt to ram him down our throats has failed. The attempt to blame us and radio talk shows for Mccain's defeat will also fail.

When are you people going to get it through your heads that you CAN NOT win without us and that we ARE NOT going to make any compromises on principles? You want to blame someone for the certain republican defeat coming November? Look in the mirror!!!

McCain and conservative media
I disagree. I believe the conservative media withheld comment on McCain until he became the leader. When you have 88% of the populace believing there should be NO AMNESTY, McCain creating the bill that promoted amnesty, and now McCain essentially winning the Republican nomination, it says people are not voting on issues. I believe the conservative media is now speaking out on where McCain stands on the issues and the fact he IS not true to conservative issues. We need the conservative media to be a small voice against the huge drive by media which is likely the force behind McCains success.

Linda


Seawolf
"Ask yourselves this, when John McCain and a couple of hundred other brave pilots were getting their bones broken on our behalf in a North Vietnamese prison, where was ElRushbo?"

Bigger question...where was McCain? 4 days after capture he told the Vietamese he would give them classified military intelligence if they took him to the hospital to get his crash injuries treated. From there, he went to the Hanoi Hilton for the next five years. The rest of the POW's didn't get medical treatment or a Hilton stay with 3 squares. The intelligence McCain gave them killed 60% of U.S. flyboys. McCain came home, retired to the senate and shut down POW/MIA searches. Classified POW/MIA intelligence and reports so they COULDN'T BE FOUND. Then runs for POTUS demanding to be worshipped as a hero. The left and MSM worship their new found liberal hero while bashing active duty hero's deployed in the middle east. You guys are a real piece of work.

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com

Wake up Johnnie!
The author is totally oblivious that H. L. Mencken's qoutes apply more to McCain than they do to Rush et al...

There are substantive reasons for opposing McCain, and it has been McCain who over the past 20 years has been quick to disparage anyone who disagreed with him.

I, for one will NOT vote for McCain, he is poison to conservative principles and policies. The two Bush's have been bad enough, but McCain is to the left of them and he is more popular with the media and Democrats, which means he'll be more effective in pushing through his populist/socialist agenda and the Republicans (conservative or not) will get a full share of the blame.

petrovian (2:31am)
Good post.

Those who believe they can "bring on a Reagan" by voting for a "Carter" are sadly misguided. The Reagan "Revolution" was only dubbed that in spin after the fact--kinda like the Kennedy "Camelot". It wasn't a revolt or a radical upheaval at the time. It was the defeat of a lame incumbent. ANY republican could have won.
So this strategy would be 'give up on having a republican in the white house now so we can have a republican in the white house 4 years from now'. Oh yeah, that makes sense.

Some have opined that it would be better for Dems to win because that would "send a message to repubs". The message it'd send is what the dems would claim: a liberal "Mandate".

The "strategy" that many are espousing is loaded with backfire.

Big Men vs Little Men
Johnny Byrd says: "Today’s talk radio frenzy, including the recent contemptible attack on Bob Dole, remind me of Lincoln’s admonition that “little men” cannot become “big men” by tearing “big men” down."

Speaking of "Big Men" and Little Men: I know "The Great Rushbo" but who in the heck is Johnny Byrd??

Oh, I see now: "Johnnie Byrd is a lawyer and host of “Johnnie Byrd’s Weekend” heard on WGUL-AM 860 in Tampa Bay, FL." LOL!

I have personally checked out Rush's statements about McCain and found each to be absolutely true. Furthermore, I don't see where Johnny Byrd has shown any of them to be inacurate.

McCain is running in the wrong party. I think he must be a Democrat "plant" in the Republican Party.

I'm with Ann Coulter: If McCain is the best the Republican Party has to offer, VOTE FOR HILLARY! (YUKK!)

sgtpusmc
Correct on all points. But no matter what happens, the conservatives are set to take the fall. If McCain wins, he instills his liberal socialism which will enevitably fail, conservatives take the blame. If McCain loses, conservatives take the blame. The MSM and RINO's set us up to take the heat no matter the outcome. The final message to America will be conservatism is evil and must be eshewed.

All because we failed to draw a line sooner.

We Will Know
We will be able to tell the exact instant that McCain has the nomination locked up. At that moment he will no longer be the 'Maverick War Hero'. He will become the child of Satan, Keating Five Co-conspirator, Anti-Tax cutter, Gang of Fourteen, Amnesty Pushing, Mean Spirited Old Codger. The media will blow him up him with the ammo he has provided. It is all there and they will be able to make it stick because that is what he is. Well, maybe not the Satan part.

aDNa
Your posts see to indicate that you think the immigration debate has complexities that weren't addressed by the great outcry against the bill. I agree. I'd further speculate that a great many of the protests came from people who hadn't actually read the bill itself, but did listen to talk radio about it an awful lot.
I don't think the bill was perfect. But I also know that it's not so simple.
I see alot of evidence of beefed up enforcement. Unlike others, I don't think the debate is over. Some of those who sit home this fall may be sorry if there's a very liberal congress next year.

What...?
Dear Johnie B. Whatever....

Words fail me in an attempt to decribe the vapidity of your article. How you slipped this into this great site I will never know. How someone could completely miss the point of the opposition to McCain is mind numbing. I don't know where to start. Wow...it's just...well...crap.

Do you have an audience?
This is not about taking a man down, it's about standing up for principle. The conservative base will be looking for a new home based on the lack of difference between parties. McCain is no conservative and will take us down the same path as liberals, only slower. Again, who are you?

This article/talk radio
The author seems to be disappointed to find out that the radio gods and goddesses are just plain old people with their own opinions and agendas, like many journalists.
DUH.

Many talk radio fans are very proud of the fact that they dissect/analyze everything the "mainstream" media put out. They don't seem to do such a good job of dissecting Rush.
Koolaid is koolaid, no matter what its source.

I do listen to talk radio occasionally in the car. Not Rush because I can't stomach him. I know at least one or two folks who have lost their ability for critical analysis and simply become critically anal after a steady Rush diet and not enough contact with the outside world.
I do like Laura--I don't agree with her all the time, but I think she's sincere, and her show has humor. I wouldn't listen to her every day. Same for Sean or any other.
None of them relieve you of the responsibility to think.

Wrong stuff
If I want a Democrat in the White House, I'll vote for a Democrat and McCain. McCain has the wrong temperament and loves to poke the party rank-and-file in the eye every time he gets. He sees people who disagree with him as enemies.

Perhaps his worst trait is he loves the adulation of the media and courts it by adopting liberal positions.

Juan Hernandez
I haven't listened to much conservative talk re McCain. I just know that when I read of Dr. Hernandez's association with McCain, I was done.

Talk radio in bed with Romney?
From Gregg Jackson's column on Huckabee:

Donna writes: Wednesday, February, 06, 2008 8:11 AM
Romney's Conflict of Interest
When the dam finally breaks, the information out there on Romney is going to hurt the credibility of everyone who has aligned themselves with him.

Particularly difficult for the Romney media supporters and conservative watch dog groups to explain, will be their absolute silence on the fact that Romney's Bain Capital group, owned the syndication rights to almost all of the talk radio shows in America.


On Nov 16, 2006, Clear Channel Communications agreed to be acquired by Bain Capital and Thomas Lee Partners for nearly $19 billion. Bain Capital is the private equity firm founded by Mitt Romney in 1984; that he left in 1999 to head the 2002 Olympics; that he sold his majority share in to run for Governor in 2001; where he is still a silent partner. The sale was completed in Dec 2007 after 1 year of pending negotiations of a leveraged buyout agreement. Clear Channel owns more than 1,100 full-power AM, FM, and shortwave radio stations, twelve radio channels on XM Satellite Radio, and more than 30 television stations in the United States.

Premiere Radio Networks, which is the largest syndication company in the United States, is a wholly owned subsidiary of Clear Channel and is home to Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, FOX NEWS Radio and many others. I saw that Premiere Radio Networks is transitioning to a new CEO Charlie Rahilly from Kraig Kitchin. Sean Hannity recently signed a large multi-market contract with Clear Channel.

The early Bain Capital team included Romney's campaign advisor, Robert F. White. According to CNN/Money magazine's Dec 10, 2007 article entitled "Millionaires-in-chief", some 43% of Romney's portfolio is currently invested in Bain Capital. On the Bain Capital website it says "Our principals are the largest single investor in each of Bain Capital's funds,.."

SunThe1
Pat yourself on the back all you want for being able to see the "complexities". You pseudo-intellectuals love to see gray everwhere you look because it keeps you from having to make judgements based on PRINCIPLE. Like it or not, there are principles and such a thing as right and wrong. I would laugh at people like you who can't "stomach" Limbaugh, but gladly swallow McCain's lies and tie gordian knots with your "subtle" minds...

Congratulations Republicans!
Reading all these posts and listening to the pundits, I am almost 100% convinced that we will have our first female president in the history of the U.S.

I do not think that McCain is the "right" Republican for the job at this time either BUT I am willing to look for the greater good. Think about it. If we lose this election in the fall, we can look forward to AT LEAST 8 years of LIBERAL DEMOCRATS in the White House (possibly more). "My friends", what we are looking at here is the fall of the Conservative Republican party.

Is that what we want? I, for one, do not look forward to 8 more years of a Clinton in the White House (make that 2 Clintons).

Don't you think it is about time that we stop all the harsh words going on (which the Dems are eating up) and decide that more unites us than divides us?

Where is Newt when we really need him?

SunThe1
I should have said I would laugh if the results of your kind of thinking weren't so tragic...

Willie
No that is NOT what I want, but I want even less to have a liberal Republican in the White House. It's very poor consoliation indeed, but at least with a Democrat president, the true conservatives in congress have a chance at mounting an effective counter charge. With Bush in the White House their objections were easily overcome in the name of party loyalty etc... McCain would be MUCH worse than Bush has been.

Lefty Byrd
It is so typical of you liberal lovers to debase our conservatives, Ingraham, Rush, Hannity, Levin and Coulter, standing for our strong conservative values with trying to save our party from pathetic maverick lovers like you. Why is there no protest from you when your liberal media friends are giving both the maverick and Huck a free ride through all of this campaiging saying and spewing anything they can to make Mitt look bad. It shows how self absorbed the maverick is to pull a big one in WV giving his delegates to Huck because Mitt was ahead. Sort of reminds me of he and Teddy's scheme behind closed doors to push amnesty down our throats, and we can trust him to be our candidate? Yes, there is plenty of time for we conservatives to prove that maverick, the liberal, will not be running our party. Rmember, he never got the majority of the votes by conservative voters! Go drink kool aid with the maverick and Huck...you all deserve each other.

Don't attack the messenger
Nobody is to blame for McCain's failure to satisfy true Conservatives but McCain himself.

All you have to do is pay attention to who he has allied himself with, what bills he has pushed through, and his temper tantrums and he is burying himself.

Those of us who follow what is going on know that McCain has been a betrayer of the Conservative principles and hence moving the GOP more firmly to the left for more than just the recent campaign for president.

Byrd...you are the one throwing mud at those who have stayed true to their conservative ideology. All Rush et al have done is tell the truth. But, apparently, you can't handle the truth.

If the GOP has moved away from US, so be it. But, don't blame those of us (including talk-radio) for refusing to follow along like sheep.

what garbage

So, the republican party is uber alles? No matter who the republican party offers up as a candidate we are just supposed to fall in line and support wholeheartly, no matter what? If I don't care for the candidate I'm just supposed to sit down and shut up?

not going to happen.

You guys just don't get it. McCain is destroying the republican party. People are leaving and re-registering as independents.

Of course you won't realize that until it's too late.

Don't believe me? Do this. Get the current number of members of the RNC today. Check the membership numbers one year from now.

sgtpusmc
I agree with you that McCain would be much worse than Bush. However, I think that a Hillery OR an Obama would be WORSE than all of McCain and Bush combined! To tell you the truth, it really scares the crap out of me to think of either of those in the White House in combination with Reid and Pelosi and the Dem majority in Congress!

If I lived in Iraq, I would be making arrangements to flee to any country that would take me before the election.

McCain vs. Conservative "Drive-By" Media
The McCain/Huckabee Colusion, and its all-too-naive supporters, tend to feel anointed in some fashion and therefore believe they have the high ground in this election. But all those WWMD- (What Would Mike Do)-driven wide-eyed Christians completely ignore McCain's insulting and condescending attitudes toward their faith on so many occasions. As they arrogantly tie their unfounded hopes on Huckabee, with no small amount of prejudice showing, they will get what they asked for. Ultimately, McCain WILL show his true colors and betray not only their insulated world of religious piety, but also the real world of social conservativism.

BTW...I have been a Born-Again, FREE-THINKING Christian since 1973.

Great Article on Little Men
Great article. Group psychology teaches that a self-absorbed, narcissistic band must remain unified by "enemy creation." Seeing their gang of listeners slip from their control, Rush and Sean and Laura and Levin and others decided to villify, first Huck, and then Mac, to create enemies hoping their listeners would likewise hate them. While harping on the rare leftward drifts of these candidates, the radio chatterati overlooked the multitudinous sins of Mitt in his excursions into liberalism.

Groups of evil people are only defeated by those who stand up and detract. Conservatives have decided to reject the definitions imposed on them by the Limbaugh Loser's League.

Brokered Convention
If Romney can take this all of the way to a brokered convention it will be best for the Party.

Even if we had to go to someone other than Romney or Huckabee we as a party would be better off than with McCain at the head of the ticket.

There has to be someone out there who, in a brokered convention, would be a better nominee than McCain.

Romney is a means of getting to a brokered convention. I would be happy if he won but just about anyone is better than McCain.

We need a ticket that can run against Obama and McCain is not that ticket.

Hillary has most of her best states behind her. She is splitting the white vote, losing the black vote and getting about 2/3s of the Hispanic vote. TX is the only state left with a lot of Hispanics.

The Dems will probably go to a brokered convention. Our best hope at this point is to stop McCain and come up with an alternative who really represents the Party.

talk radio distorts america
one of the most disturbing aspects of talk radio is that it draws those who want their own opinion re-inforced.

in attempting escape the percieved liberal bias in the media, conservatives have fallen into the same trap with the conservative media bias.

conservative media, just like liberal media, is market driven.
they need to satisfy thier market to make money.
so
they are going to do and say whatever they have to, so listeners and viewers keep coming back.

quick example;

i was watching fox the day libby got convicted.
the breaking news headline on fox was
"libby found innocent on lying charge."

now that was true but he was also convicted on four counts of perjury and obstruction.

fox didn't lie, they just gave SOME of the facts.

if you want to get all the facts you have to listen to both sides.

i listen to hewitt and medved and ed shultz and madow.

i watch oreilly and olbermann.

i read the the washington times and the washington post.

if you only listen to conservative media you are only getting half the facts.

So be it.
Last night, a CNN talking head said that, while McCain needs to reach out to the conservatives, to do so would cost him the "independents" that have helped him thus far (words to that effect.)

So be it.
I am a conservative by philosophy. If the Republican party does not agree with me, if it does not value my vote and/or support, very well. I will leave the party, and look for a party that does agree with my conservative philosophy. Finding that party is my problem, the Republicans need no longer worry about me.

However, TH is a conservative forum. I shall continue to espouse my conservative philosophy here, and I intend to go to great lengths to end the equation of "Republican" and "Conservative" here.

A lot of us, including, I believe some of the talk show hosts, came to Romney late in the game. We did so, not because we believe in Romney, but because there was no one left we could in good conscience support. The liberal Republicans kept insisting that we needed to compromise and settle for the lesser of two evils, and they will not accept the fact that Romney is as far as we could compromise and remain even somewhat true to our principles.

And the more I, for one, saw Romney tag-teamed and unjustly vilified, particularly for his wealth, the more comfortable I felt in supporting him.

Never in my lifetime has a 3rd party ever had a chance of forming and succeeding. I don't know how to go about organizing such things, but I hope someone else does. It would appear to me, from the arguments on TH, that here in Town Hall we have enough support to form a conservative party.

If the conservatives within the Republican party are no longer significant, are indeed irrelevant to the party's success, then the Republicans should have no problem with us forming our own, conservative party. A party of irrelevancy holds no threat of pulling votes from the Republicans.

sgtpusmc
I don't claim to be an intellectual. My response was to aDNa and I saw nothing wrong in his/her view about the matter.
I actually have alot of admiration for (some of the) people who stood against the immigration bill.
I simply acknowledge that swords have two edges.
Some of those who passionately opposed that bill have gone on (over the top in my view) to villify everything that Sen McCain has ever done. I certainly don't like everything he's ever done. I don't even like everything I've ever done.
No, I'm not a purist. No I'm not a one-issue voter. If I got to choose the president, it wouldn't be him. But I don't get to choose the president. I only get to choose among the candidates. Sorry if that's fuzzy--seems to me it's clear.


mccain will win POTUS?
mccain as POTUS?
boy are you guys dreaming!

when the GOP turned its back on conservative principles what happened? in 2006 they got their heads handed to them.

well i guess that strategy worked so well that they will do it again in 2008 handing the office to the dems.

what's worse we are putting up a dim witted hot head!

it is going to be so pathetic to see the democrats talk circles around this guy.

***** WARNING **********
DEMOCRAT LANDSLIDE APPROACHING
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The True Conservative - Reagan
I am sick and tired of the self-professed conservatives bashing anybody they deem not qualified to carry the conservative flag. Read the Reagan diaries and remember history. You, so called, conservatives bashed Reagan. Before his election and his first years in office Reagan was not considered conservative by the same people today who rip into candidates they say aren't worthy.

If there were talk radio and the internet before the 1980 election we might not have had Reagan to look back on as the standard of the conservative movement.

In thirty years we may well look back at a McCain presidency the same way we look back at Reagan's. We may also look back at the 2008 election as the election that so called conservatives handed the country to Billary or Barack, which started the slide into the abyss.


willie
Either dem in the WH plus Reid/Pelosi running congress: Scares the crap out of me too.

Dear Johnnie,
There's a reason why Rush, Hannity, Ingraham, and Levin are better known and MORE INFLUENTIAL than you can ever hope to be.

"Although they claim to despise the “drive-by media,” Rush Limbaugh, Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin and friends have resorted to using the age-old drive-by media “tool”—vilification of a chosen target, in this case Senator John McCain."

Actually, none of these talkers have attacked McCain personally.

"Today’s talk radio frenzy, including the recent contemptible attack on Bob Dole, remind me of Lincoln’s admonition that “little men” cannot become “big men” by tearing “big men” down."

Nobody made any attacks, vile or otherwise, on Bob Dole. Rush Limbaugh merely read Dole's letter, had nothing but nice things to say about Dole, pointed out that Dole was not endorsing McCain, and pointed out that Dole's letter did not discuss any of Dole's anti-conservative behavior of the last ten years because Dole has not been in the Senate during that time.

You have a lot of gall to even call yourself a conservative Johnnie, let alone presume to call us true conservatives "little men".

Every conservative on this thread should give you one check mark just to let TH know that CINO's like you are not welcome here.

Yours Truly,

wiseone


truehawk (12:25pm)
Good post.
Chatteratti--that's a great one!

RL: The Real Assault
The real assault has been on the concept of objectivity. Talk radio and the conservative media in general have been working to convince conservatives that there is no such thing as objectivity. Not that one media course is more objective than another, but that all media sources are equally biased. That way, no matter how biased them are, they can claim that no one is objective: why even seek such a chimera.

While there may be bias in any reporting, some reporting is more biased than other reporting. Some commentary is less objective than other commentary. And some commentary and reporting strive toward objectivity, even when they don't achieve it.

Talk radio works hard to eliminate the very idea of objectivity. That way their own bias is perfectly acceptable.




brudykip (12:40)
You make excellent points.

Reagan was not St. Reagan til after the fact--in fact until rather recently. Most of the "true" conservatives today do forget that.
It would be interesting to see how he'd do now. It would be interesting to know who he would have supported. Might be surprising.
Perhaps all the anst is just normal for primary season. It is, after all, the time for vocal and vigorous debate within parties. probably not a bad thing.

So true.
I posted the following in response to a bunch of whining from Romney Supporters about WV over at Kevin McCullough's TownHall blog:

YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW

Please stop whining about WV. Romney supporters have been suggesting all week that Huckabee drop out and send his conservative voters to Romney. So what's wrong with McCain giving his votes to Huckabee?

I think it's a case of "you reap what you sow". Romney and his shills spread their seeds of ill-will by violating Reagan's 11th commandment early on - McCain took the gloves off in return, practicing an eye for an eye and effectively dividing the party or at least polarizing it more (much to the delight of the MSM & Democrats, btw). Whereas Huckabee consistently took the higher road (demonstrating vertical leadership) and even defended McCain with whom he also has strong disagreements as a conservative, yet was gracious enough not to join the conservative condemnation chorus and instead chose to offer him respect and commended his lifelong patriotism.

Huckabee demonstrates the qualities of a true leader who is able to do what's right over what is expedient. Romney and his shills have marginalized themselves by consistently taking the expedient route misrepresenting both himself and his opponents. While one could argue they are correct about McCain's record, they have lost significant credibility because they've been dishonest about both Romney's own record and Huckabee's record (in the process). It shows the lower, horizontal level of his (& their) leadership. The contrast between Gov Huckabee's principled consistency and their desperate spin is really starting to show.

http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Blogs.View&Blog_id= 1383

soul samurai - wrong
"Reagan was not St. Reagan til after the fact--in fact until rather recently. Most of the "true" conservatives today do forget that."

He became St Ronald to me in 1982.

St Jude is the patron saint of lost causes. St Ronald is the patron saint of belief in Americans.

You are either ill-informed or lying when you suggest that the reverence we feel toward President Reagan is recent.

Byrd +e a thinking conservativ
Mr. Byrd,

Perhaps you would like to defend the contemptible Sen. McCain issue by issue.

Or perhaps you would rather not. A thankless job that would doubtless be for even a "luke warm" or "watered down" Republican such as yourself.

McCain's last straw with me was the glorious Senator's creation of "the Gang of 14." I wrote him telling him my take on his anti-Constitutional stand and telling him he had just made a political enemy for life. And I meant what I said.

I live in TX and will cast my primary vote for Hillary Clinton this March. I'll not vote for her or B. Hussein in the general though. Nor will I vote for McCain. I will be sitting this one out - gasp! am i really saying that?1?!?! - and will wait for the cratering to get so bad that even libs.............er, I mean, luke warm Republicans like yourself begin to cry "no mas!" and beg for forgiveness as you sift through the rubble that used to be our Constitution and our country.

Peace,

ASF

Byrd = thinking conservative? - Ha!
Mr. Byrd,

Perhaps you would like to defend the contemptible Sen. McCain issue by issue.

Or perhaps you would rather not. A thankless job that would doubtless be for even a "luke warm" or "watered down" Republican such as yourself.

McCain's last straw with me was the glorious Senator's creation of "the Gang of 14." I wrote him telling him my take on his anti-Constitutional stand and telling him he had just made a political enemy for life. And I meant what I said.

I live in TX and will cast my primary vote for Hillary Clinton this March. I'll not vote for her or B. Hussein in the general though. Nor will I vote for McCain. I will be sitting this one out - gasp! am i really saying that?1?!?! - and will wait for the cratering to get so bad that even libs.............er, I mean, luke warm Republicans like yourself begin to cry "no mas!" and beg for forgiveness as you sift through the rubble that used to be our Constitution and our country.

The REAL cool-aid
Is being drunk by those who believe that without McCain as the nominee, we'll have a Clinton in office next round.

WAKE UP and smell the coffee. McCain is NOT "electable." Period. Not gonna happen, no matter who you try to blame for his demise.

And, incidentally, in the minute, tiny, miniscule chance that McCain would actually win the POTUS, we'll all be in the same position we will be in with either Democrat candidate in office.

Don't sit out the election...pack the Congress with CONSERVATIVES. Write in a TRUE conservative (Hunter) or vote for Ron Paul....at least Ron Paul has a record to look at that doesn't make me want to puke.

Parody from my blog.
Glen Campbell sang The Wichita Lineman....Here is a parody to that tune.

I am McCain and I'm a RINO
MSM says I'm gold
Ev'ryone can see that my campaign's been bought and sold

You'll hear me singing to the choir
And sometimes you'll hear me whine
For this John McCain RINO
Is doin' just fine

I know you fear some more taxation
And we'll lose all we've gained
And now that group that votes down south
Will carry John McCain

And you think that I'll betray us
And I'm cranky all the time
For this John McCain RINO
Is doin' just fine

Repeat Chorus

All the Democrats will love me
'Cause with me their side will win
And this John McCain RINO
Is No Paladin!



n.a. Re: drugs and the McCains
I don't really think McCainiacs want to start a discussion about drug abuse, do they now?

Correction
In my post at 12:46 PM I wrote:

"Nobody made any attacks, vile or otherwise, on Bob Dole. Rush Limbaugh merely read Dole's letter, had nothing but nice things to say about Dole, pointed out that Dole was not endorsing McCain, and pointed out that Dole's letter did not discuss any of Dole's anti-conservative behavior of the last ten years because Dole has not been in the Senate during that time."

It should have read:

"Nobody made any attacks, vile or otherwise, on Bob Dole. Rush Limbaugh merely read Dole's letter, had nothing but nice things to say about Dole, pointed out that Dole was not endorsing McCain, and pointed out that Dole's letter did not discuss any of MCCAIN'S anti-conservative behavior of the last ten years because Dole has not been in the Senate during that time."


Sorry, Mr. Byrd
I think you've missed the point.

jack
excellent point.

if americans get all their news and views from one side of the political spectrum only, than that media (conservative or liberal) has the opportunity to convince them that the other side is wrong.

it is the stereotyping and demonizing that is the worst aspect of talk radio both left and right.


all liberals are socialists according to most conservative talk show hosts.

all conservatives are facists according to most liberal talk show hosts.

we have to stop this and start finding the common ground among us for the sake of the country.