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Wednesday, February 18, 2009
John  Wohlstetter :: Townhall.com Columnist
America's Israeli Election
by John Wohlstetter
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What would happen if America’s 2008 Presidential election had run under Israel’s election rules?

Hillary Clinton’s Progressive Democrat Party, composed of centrist defectors from the Democratic and Republican parties, wins 100 seats in the 435-seat lower house of Congress. But Barack Obama, winner of the Democratic Party nomination, picks up 47 seats that otherwise would have gone to Hillary.

The leading right-wing parties, composed of Republican Fred Thompson’s 96 votes, Libertarian Ron Paul’s 54 and Christian Conservative Mike Huckabee’s 34, totals 184 seats. Adding seats from John McCain’s National Service Party (19), Mitt Romney’s New Economy Party (15), Sarah Palin’s Energy Independence Party (12) and Newt Gingrich’s Win the Future Party (10), all right-wing parties total 240 seats, a clear majority.

As no single party won a solo majority, the Speaker of the House would have to decide which party’s Presidential candidate should be invited to try to form a government. Nancy Pelosi could ask Hillary to form a government, but the right-wing parties could respond by forming a “blocking coalition” of 240 votes to guarantee that Hillary’s coalition would fail. If Pelosi refused to invite Thompson to form a government, candidates would gear up for a re-run of the Presidential contest. Thus the cycle would begin again and we would still not have chosen a President.

If that kind of process seems chaotic, that’s because it is.

Today, Israel’s right-wing parties total about 55 percent of the seats in the newly chosen Knesset. That’s enough to block Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni from forming a left-wing government. Several right-wing parties split Israel’s right of center voters, who clearly are fed up with the Palestinian negotiation policy of the sitting government. Thus Livni finished first by a single seat in the party-list total.

Second-place finisher, Likud Party leader Binyamin Netanyahu, a former Prime Minster, can try to negotiate a right-wing coalition or, as reports indicate, may seek a broader coalition including Livni’s Kadima Party, with Livni in his government.

Behold the insanity of Israel’s electoral system. It combines the worst features of parliamentary and party-list systems. Party-list voting deprives voters of the opportunity to “split their tickets” by voting for one party in the legislative chamber, while choosing a different party’s candidate at the top of the ticket. It empowers, in vast disproportion to their vote share, minority parties who may thus decide the composition of the government, at times not necessarily in line with how the electorate voted. It gives the government in power the authority to call a “snap” election when the Prime Minister finds convenient, or to delay until the full term runs its course. The President can designate who gets a crack at forming a government, and if no one can do so, the process starts again.

America’s system of government has many defects—all political systems do—but setting aside issues arising out of an honest and accurate vote count, complete chaos rarely occurs. The closest analogue was America’s 1824 election. Four candidates divided 261 electoral votes and 365,833 popular votes: Andrew Jackson had 99 votes with 41.3 percent of the popular vote; John Quincy Adams, 84 and 30.9 percent; William Harris Crawford, 41 and 11.2 percent; and Henry Clay, 37 and 13.0 percent.

With March 4, 1825 set as Inauguration Day, the House of Representatives met in February 1825 to choose a President. Its choice was constitutionally limited to the top three finishers. No longer eligible, Senate titan Clay threw his support to Adams. The House balloting then went by majority vote within each state delegation, with Adams winning 13, Jackson 7 and Crawford 4. Clay was rewarded with the position of Secretary of State, in what Jackson and his supporters called a “corrupt bargain.” The deal poisoned the well during the Adams presidency. To this day, it remains the only time no candidate won a majority in the Electoral College.

Failure to win an outright majority is commonplace in parliamentary systems, and is now the norm in Israel. Watching their elections makes America’s system, with all its warts, look better every day.

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John C. Wohlstetter is a senior fellow at Discovery Institute.
 
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So?
Israel has a population under 8 million and Israel can also have a vote of no confidence and oust a leader that doesn't do what is best for Israel. All in all, I think their system is good for them and seems to represent the people of Israel. Ours is not looking so good or at least the voters in America aren't looking so smart since they are willing to swap democracy for socialism, freedom for oppression and truth for lies.

emf
Israel's population is irrelevant. Our SYSTEM looks fine. Our CHOICE was idiotic. You can make a stupid decision in any system where we are allowed to elect people.

We have not yet swapped democracy for socialism. Democracy (or republicanism, more correctly) will only be given up if we allow the government to become totalitarian and STOP elections. What we seem to be giving up is the free market (capitalism).

Parliamentary systems are much less stable than the US system. In the late 80s, Italy had had more than 45 "governments" in the 45 years since World War II. It is a bad approach. It is, of course, the same model that we decided to encourage in Iraq. That was a crazy decision.

GOD BLESS ISRAEL !
NOW AND FOREVER!AMEN!

Conclusion...
Israel is irrelevent.

"Tzipi Livni"
Well... that's easy for YOU to say (old Vaudville joke).


reasonable column
A reasonable column for getting across what happened in the Israeli elections.

Some of these features are unique to Israel. Some are ordinary features of parliamentary systems.

Traditionally the parties in Israel have been defined over issues that do not necessarily break down in straight right/left terms, which is one reason the diversity of positions has arisen.

Religious parties were happy to support whomever supported their religious cause but were not themselves right or left. So the set-up is not as unreflective of the popular will as suggested here. But it certainly is a strange mess.

agree-- Israel should be irrelevant
Israel is a tiny country of only 5 million (the population of one large American city), but it is inescapably the tail wagging the big dog-- America.

We took out Iraq because a relative handful of neoCONS/Zionists (Wolfy, Perle, Feith, Abrams, Wurmser, Libby) were pulling Dubya's strings and saw the chance to effect their PNAC, first propounded in 1996... they simply used 9/11 as their excuse, but Saddam and Osama were OPPONENTS in the Muslim/Arab world. Most American Jews oppose the war in Iraq, but the militant Pan-Israeli's/neoCONS created the Bush Doctrine.

So we are headed toward spending $3 TRILLION of American $ so Israel can have some permanent American bases to protect it instead of a braying Saddam threatening it. That is $600,000 per Israeli... we should have given them North Dakota instead.

What might we do now with the $ trillion we have already wasted?! Charity begins at home.

http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/spheresInfluence.h tml
http://zfacts.com/p/neocons.html
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_c ontributors/article3419840.ece
http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/09/02/john-mearsheimer-a nd-stephen-walt-pro-israel-lobby-influence-over-us-foreign- policy-on-the-recent-israel-lebanon-war/

America's Election
Our liberties are in danger~Our free market system is under attack~our right of free speech is in trouble. Too bad the Libs who voted for the "change" of Obama didn't take the time to think about what he meant when he was so deliberately obtuse. We could do worse than using Israel's way of election if this is what we get here~a group of criminals running our magnificent country into the ground.

Ross Pea-rot
You forgot how Ross Perot cost GHW Bush the presidency (although Graves Disease is what really did him in, or the treatment for it.)
Perot also cost Dole, as well as his campaign staff who wouldn't allow him to use his rapier-wit (much like McCain's dismal staff suppressed Governor Palin.) But it was the third candidate who cost the Republican the victory, in part by showing their weakness.

Sort of like how Nader (thankfully and mercifully) cost two Dimocruds a margin of needed votes. The Dims are a wide coalition of disparate interests, much more fractious than the Republicans.

But I wonder: this is a predictable process? The way things are going, there're going to be a lot of Democrat crossovers, and some Republican traitors. I'd say we're about as stable as Israel, politically. And maybe just as vulnerable.

Israel's Stock in Limbo
If Israel gets Netanyahu as prime minister they will be lucky because he is the only realist among the candidates. There's no way any "deal" is going to resolve the differences between the Israelis and Palestinians, much less the Arabs. Bibi will install a hardline policy, which is the only realistic way of dealing with the crazy Arabs: They don't want a treaty: they want Israel!

Bearing in mind the U.S. stock market collapse one wonders how many people invest in Israel and expect a return. After all it is surrounded by 25 million Arabs who pray for its destruction four times a day!


Which Is Better?
Well...Our wonderfully corrupt system has obliged us with a black separatist and his gang of merry thugs, thieves, liars and cheats. And for the past several years, this wonderful corruption has let 3rd-worlders into our country with the intention of destroying its' sovereignty. We also have a multitude of terrorist camps, the fun-loving La Raza, the ACLU, and many other horrendously ugly organizations who think the United States was made for them!

Our system is best for us, theirs is best for them. Our system failed us because our people stopped caring about keeping things honest. Most importantly-THE VOTE! So, why don't we have the ACORNS and all the other, "Find all dead voters and bums and low-life" groups put in prison to punish them for willfully disenfranchising voters? We gotta start somewhere, and it seems best to start with those who abuse voters.

jedh
Population is always relevant. The governing of 8 million is alot different than the governing of 300+million. Israel is a truer democracy than America. My point is more that you can not compare the two. I greatly admire the State of Israel.

emf
I totally agree with U in Principle..However, I will say that I, too, Have much respect for Israel if for no other reason they stand for what they KNOW to be right and the H3LL with the whole world if they don't like it!! That's how I used to view our GREAT country, but I'm having some serious doubts lately!! CHEERS

emf
What's to admire about murdering children? Not very moral are you.

Thanks, Jim
Jim. Thank you for typing there're instead of there's.
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