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Wednesday, July 22, 2009
John Stossel :: Townhall.com Columnist
Arrogance
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It's crazy for a group of mere mortals to try to design 15 percent of the U.S. economy. It's even crazier to do it by August.

Yet that is what some members of Congress presume to do. They intend, as the New York Times puts it, "to reinvent the nation's health care system".

Let that sink in. A handful of people who probably never even ran a small business actually think they can reinvent the health care system.

Politicians and bureaucrats clearly have no idea how complicated markets are. Every day people make countless tradeoffs, in all areas of life, based on subjective value judgments and personal information as they delicately balance their interests, needs and wants. Who is in a better position than they to tailor those choices to best serve their purposes? Yet the politicians believe they can plan the medical market the way you plan a birthday party.

Leave aside how much power the state would have to exercise over us to run the medical system. Suffice it say that if government attempts to control our total medical spending, sooner or later, it will have to control us.

Also leave aside the inevitable huge cost of any such program. The administration estimates $1.5 trillion over 10 years with no increase in the deficit. But no one should take that seriously. When it comes to projecting future costs, these guys may as well be reading chicken entrails. In 1965, hospitalization coverage under Medicare was projected to cost $9 billion by 1990. The actual price tag was $66 billion.

The sober Congressional Budget Office debunked the reformers' cost projections. Trust us, Obama says. "At the end of the day, we'll have significant cost controls," presidential adviser David Axelrod said. Give me a break.

Now focus on the spectacle of that handful of men and women daring to think they can design the medical marketplace. They would empower an even smaller group to determine -- for millions of diverse Americans -- which medical treatments are worthy and at what price.

How do these arrogant, presumptuous politicians believe they can know enough to plan for the rest of us? Who do they think they are? Under cover of helping uninsured people get medical care, they live out their megalomaniacal social-engineering fantasies -- putting our physical and economic health at risk in the process.

Will the American people say "Enough!"?

I fear not, based on the comments on my blog. When I argued last week that medical insurance makes people indifferent to costs, I got comments like: "I guess the 47 million people who don't have health care should just die, right, John?" "You will always be a shill for corporate America."

Like the politicians, most people are oblivious to F.A. Hayek's insight that the critical information needed to run an economy -- or even 15 percent of one -- doesn't exist in any one place where it is accessible to central planners. Instead, it is scattered piecemeal among millions of people. All those people put together are far wiser and better informed than Congress could ever be. Only markets -- private property, free exchange and the price system -- can put this knowledge at the disposal of entrepreneurs and consumers, ensuring the system will serve the people and not just the political class.

This is no less true for medical care than for food, clothing and shelter. It is profit-seeking entrepreneurship that gave us birth control pills, robot limbs, Lasik surgery and so many other good things that make our lives longer and more pain free.

To the extent the politicians ignore this, they are the enemy of our well-being. The belief that they can take care of us is rank superstition.

Who will save us from these despots? What Adam Smith said about the economic planner applies here, too: The politician who tries to design the medical marketplace would "assume an authority which could safely be trusted, not only to no single person, but to no council or senate whatever, and which would nowhere be so dangerous as in the hands of a man who had folly and presumption enough to fancy himself fit to exercise it."

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Lets see
The current U.S. debt is $11 trillion and counting. Congress and the President will add another $2 trillion to the deficit this year without adding in Health Care nor Cap and Trade. Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security or in hole far deeper than the U.S. debt. Now what makes anyone think that the incompetent people who have built up all of this debt will be able to manage health care. Give me a break.

Broken System Needs Dismantling
Mr. Stossel,

The US Health Care system is the worst in the world when it comes to affordable care for the average lower middle class citizen. The same one who is easily susceptible to big money corporate spin.

The system is broken and needs dismantling. Anything is better than these fat bellied insurance vultures raping the moral majority. Probably you and me.


Let 'em fail!
The government has been meddling in the health care system since 'The Great Society' scam launched by the Dems in '65. They're not about to pull back. As Pete Seeger was singing back in the day: 'Knee deep in the big muddy....'

Let 'em wade all the way in! The country needs some relief from all the boredom. A major crisis now & then keeps life interesting.

BTW, Stossel, the most-arrogant in Congress are that way because they KNOW they'll get re-elected.

And Obama believes
he can run General Motors in his spare time.

What is the superlative of arrogant?

Let it fail? O
WE are looking at a meltdown that is greed and corruption. the rich want more and more and now even they are going to feel this meltdown. Health care for all ya right. State order vacations for N1H1 a bug most have not gotten and the news and the state say you will get the shots or else. Sorry no thanks. when did we lose the war? when did we let people with agendas take over to the point we can't get back on track? We are in bad way and this time the greed of the rich isn't going to help them even they are feeling it and it is going to go deeper before we see and end to this. Health care is over priced due those running the system is found easy to charge you $20 for box of tissues then the $1 you pay at the store. the Pharmaceutical companies say it research you are paying for but then you look at other place selling the same drugs you pay $100 for for $20 or even less. We have medical Mombo Jumbo from Researchers and Doctors saying we are overweight due to bug or a Gene when in the real world is we just eat more of food that have now more chemicals in them than 20 to 30 years ago We're fat because we eat food that are made with junk and we need to stop it. when i was kid we have 2 maybe 3 McDonald in the who area now we have one ever mile down the road with 10 to 20 other place to eat so we don't cook it take too much and we eat out and our wast line grows..you can fix stupidity with pill if we could i ton of people here in Sac at the capitol we need to give them to and maybe all in DC. Light getting camera cost of gas and people pointing fingers and making people fear they will have no medical.Telling people over 60 if you have bad heart oh well deal with it sorry not the county my father fought for and to keep free.It seem to me were turning in to those he fought against.If we want better health care we will have to see the system fail before we see real fix.Universal health care will fail here its not what the US is.

Good Article
Superstition is the word.

Personal responsibility is slowing becoming the name of the game.

cromag at 2:01 EST
cromag wrote:

"The US Health Care system is the worst in the world when it comes to affordable care for the average lower middle class citizen."

The worst in the world, really? So, for example, Zimbabwe has a better has a better system? Burundi? Cambodia? Bolivia? Romania? These countries all have better systems than we do?

The fact of your ridiculously overstated hyperbole points out that you, like our Dear Leader, have absolutely no f***ing idea what you are talking about; you don't have facts at your disposal, you have ideological positions, and you have emotion-based rants. With arrogant, brainless sub-morons like you voting, it's no wonder we got the President we did last November... and no mystery why our country is plunging into a new Dark Age.

"The system is broken and needs dismantling."

No, it really isn't, moron. 80-85% of people are happy with the health care they have; that's higher than your Dear Leader's approval rating. If only 80% approval means it's time to trash what we've got and start over, does that mean we can toss Obama out on his ear too?

"Anything is better than these fat bellied insurance vultures raping the moral majority. Probably you and me."

It's quite terrifying that you so entirely lack the perspective to see what a myopic, colossally STUPID statement this really is. Fact is, I would be happy to see you get EXACTLY what you are asking for, if I didn't have to share in it. You are an abcess on the body politic.

Stossel is right
And many of the same folks who believe that a handful of quacks - when it comes to the medical industry - can simply whip-up a system of health care, are the same gullible people who believed the so-called "stimulus bill" would nudge the economy upwards.

When you have millions of people who will believe that filling potholes, repairing bridges, painting schools and changing light bulbs in government offices will stimulate the behemoth United States economy, they must also believe that you can move an elephant by thumping it in the behind. Or believe that a gaggle of politicians who lack the qualifications and experience to effectively manage the smallest doctor's office in your home town -- can magically create an effective nationwide medical care system.

Next to come: Jack and the Beanstalk. Politicians might actually claim to have found the magic beans that will lead to our finding a giant in the clouds. Millions will line-up for tickets.

Health Care
Does anyody know exactly whats in the house or Seanate bills? People just accept that Obama will make their life easier. Betsy McCoy who said she has read the Senate version TWICE, says watch out for rationing and especially older folks. There will be "councilling" older
people how to die gracefully. Which means old fella you broke a hip? We (the government) will not pay for your hip treplacement but will tell you how to go ut of this world. Nice huh folks!! You think you live in the US anymore?

Our Failures
Couldn't have happened without government protecting those who failed. Monopolies don't exist without government. Mega corporations don't exist without government. The larger an entity becomes, the harder it is for them to compete in a free, open market.

Insurance companies would never be in the position they are in today without the healthy heaping of regulatory law created by our helpful Congress. Every major piece of business regulation you can name, you'll always find major corporate interests lobbying FOR it. The left likes to talk about evil corporations, yet it is those very evil corporations that are lobbying to get this health care bill passed. That's right, look at who is spreading money around. Insurance companies want this to happen, more money in their pocket and less competition due to stiffer regulations.

The worst evil in the world was brought upon us under the guise of compassion. This is yet another example and people are still gullible enough to buy into it.

Government is a Fat-Fingered Lummox
Government running health care is like Bruno the mover performing eye surgery.

Government can force specific outcomes, and socialized health care may improve specific aspects of it. But government is notoriously bad at managing tradeoffs, which means overall medicine would get worse. Health care should be left to the more nimble private sector.

Great article with a perfect title!
I don't think the 'leaders' who are trying to push this off on us will be taking the 'public option'! 'Major Medical' and paying the doctor directly worked very well for my family in the past.
Unfair competition from subsidies off the backs off taxpayers will predictably damage the innovation responsible for our leadership in medicine. Very often the purchase of supplemental policies is necessary anyway under Socialized Medicine programs because the systems ration and deny care- the trouble is, a large chunk of income is already taken and wasted to pay for a second-rate program that doesn't do what is supposed to do. Besides, this '47 million (or 15%)' figure is grossly overstated, and falls to about one-third this figure when people in between jobs and higher income earners who choose not to have insurance are discounted. You get treated and a doctor sends you the bill, with qualifications already in place for ability to pay etc. Too bad these jerks in power are trying to buy votes by giving away other people's money as usual. No Thanks.

IT'S GETTING WORSE BY THE DAY
This administration thinks they know what's good for every American. We are a diverse culture, but they want to treat us all the same.
I voted for a government, not more parents to take care of me and make decisions for my daily life. I'm feeling smoothered and want to push back hard to survive.


THE FOUR LETTER WORD IN THIS ISSUE IS
PROFIT. There is a not for profit car insuranse company in my state of NJ called NJ Manufacturers that sends rebate checks to their policy holders once a year. Why can't that be applied to Healthcare to bring costs down?

Throwing the baby out....
Thank you, John for a great article. It's a pity that the people who truly need to read it, likely won't - or won't understand it - as we saw w/cromag. Thanks Mr. MacLennan for sorting that poor, ignorant soul out - now, if we can get the rest of the sheeple in the US to see what is going on with this scam, maybe we can fix it! Email/call everyone you can in that so-called Legislature - especially those fence-sitters like Snowe and Collins. After living in the UK, The Netherlands and now in the Middle East - all nanny states, we definitely do NOT want what BO and the Democrat mafia are trying to shove on the American people. God Bless America!

h20skier
"The Law of Large Numbers" teaches you that a some point the numbers become positives. Americans, such as you, are a liability to intelligent thought. The Health Care system in America is not hard to repair. At least not yet! Half of the people who live in America today were born after 1964. Most Americans don't even understand the "Value" of that statement. Which is why so many misunderstand the President's Health Care plan and its urgency. Health Care in America is going to "Change". We can create the "Change" or have it forced upon US. And I am not talking about the force of government. Also, leave the numbers alone, you could never understand the ramifications!

Profit is what drives the money
for taxation. No profit and NO TAXES. Period.

No Obamanana Care.

No money: US collects $2.5 trillion (not this year with recession). When budgets are $4 trillion (King Elect Obama's), the result is debt/deficit.

The debt/deficit then has to be made up by

1) more taxation (Obamacare is FULL of fees, higher taxes--MEDICARE PREMIUMS WILL RISE 2 1/3 TIMES TO $2800 OR $3000 A YEAR, penalties, surcharges, add-ons, and CUTS in Medicare and Medicaid);

2) more borrowing (China no longer wants to buy our Treasuries as it fears future INFLATION and a weak dollar will repay it in cheap money);

3) printing money (which we are doing--The Fed. Reserve is "buying" Treasuries by issuing IOU's to Geithner so he can print more money).

The above ALWAYS results in inflation and money that is worth less and buys less; a la Carter's administration that saw inflation and interest rates in the 10-15% rates.

Carter mortgages were 15% if you could find one. Car loans were sometimes 18% if you could find one. The 18% credit card rate developed. We had STAGFLATION: high interest, high inflation, and high unemployment: 10%. NJ had 12% and took years to recover.

Only 7.7% of the *stimulus* (bogus name) has been dispersed partly because THERE IS NO MONEY.

Don't listen to Obamaniac who never managed a Taco Bell or led a Cub Scout troop and CANNOT manage 17% of the economy from the White House and a socialist Congress.

Email from their websites: Senators Evan Bayh of Indiana, Senator Ben Nelson of Nebraska, Senator Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, Senator Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, Senator Blanch Lincoln of Arkansas and Senator Mark Pryor also of Arkansas,

Democrats Big O is trying to blackmail into voting for his idiot health care because they know voters at home DON'T WANY IT.

The "uninsured" ALREADY GET coverage!!
The "Uninsured" already get their health insurance for free--it's on MY policy!! It's called cost shifting and it's where the hospitals and doctors RAPE MY INSURANCE company to pay for the people who CHOOSE NOT TO PAY a thousand dollars a month for health insurance like I do!! Do you really think that it costs the hospital $20 for two freaking aspirin? NO!! They charge MY insurance company that much so that the people who don't have health insurance can get their aspirin for FREE! Hospital ER's are NOT ALLOWED to turn away anyone who is desperately in need of medical care so they treat them, send them a bill that never gets paid and bill my insurance company 5 times what they should to make up the difference!! Illegal aliens will be using the ER's even MORE as their primary care doctors because HOPEFULLY they aren't eligible for Obamacare. It's a disaster that will cost trillions in borrowed dollars and destroy this country. Name ONE thing the government does well--and take all the time you need.

Jeffrey & New Jersey car insurance
Your grand claim that profits are the big problem would carry a bit more weight if New Jersey's non-profit car insurance was cheaper than average. Instead, according to the facts at the link below, in 2005 (the most recent data I could find) New Jersey had the highest average car insurance rates in the nation. In North Carolina, I can insure both of my cars -- admittedly, neither one of them any where near new -- for about 60% of the average New Jersey rate listed in this study. Here's the link:

http://www.naic.org/documents/research_stats_2005_auto_data base_sample.pdf

Remember, it's not how much you get back each year, it's how much you pay each year. From where I'm sitting, you pay a whole lot more to your non-profit insurance company than I pay to my for-profit one.

Jeffrey
The medical insurance industry has one of the lowest profit rates in the entire country at 3%. Even your not for profit has profits. Not for profit entitites cannot operate without taking in more every year than they sent out. I can guarantee your insurance carrier, even though they aren't a for profit entity, is still growing its assets every year.

Simply being not for profit doesn't fix anything, espcieally since your carrier, theoretically, is only about 3% cheaper, which is next to nothing (example, about $105 cheaper than a $3,500 policy).

Politicians and people who support government laws never bother to look where costs are being generated. They get too caught up in the nickel and dime stuff like executive compensation (averaging .4% of insurance agency costs) and never look at accounting sheets.

Where are the costs? Required administration, required nursing increases (even if they're not needed), payment ceilings on mandatory Medicare reimbursements, the AMA's monopoly on the doctor supply, staff required to manage government created HMO billings. Nearly 60% of the costs we pay today are a direct result of the paperwork generated by government regulation.

Yet people are too stupid to figure it out, too stupid to realize that adding more government to a highly goverened system is not going to cut costs but increase them. That or too conditioned by dogma that they'll outright reject any evidence to the contrary (and leftists frequently make fun of religion, oh the irony).

Right on, Mr. Stossel
The free market really is the answer. Successful companies make a profit while unsuccessful companies go out of business. Unfortunately, the government is under no such restriction.

Health Insurance
I didn't have health insurance for 5 years. I have a pre-existing condition and contrary to what Obama says in his health care pitch, I wasn't denied coverage, it was just priced too high for me. I had no choice but to negotiate fees with doctors and labs for my healthcare. It was the responsible thing to do and worked out well, however, the alleged 46 million without insurance need to explain who they are what their circumstances are. If they are unemployed they are eligible for Medicaid, if they are under the age of 19 they are eligible for S-Chip, if they are illegal, what can I say, they should go home. Now how many does that leave uninsured? This is no more than a political ploy, something Democrats want as their legacy, they could care less about uninsured, and Obama wants it more than anyone, he owes Kennedy big time for that endorsement.

NJ Manufactures
Jeffrey

NJM only takes drivers with spotless records. Have one accident and you will not have a policy with them for long.

Wonderful
Tell it like it is, John.

Don't let the buffons who wrote "I guess the 47 million people who don't have health care should just die, right, John?" and "You will always be a shill for corporate America." ever disuade you from what you know is right.

Bravo!

Obamacare
Next time you visit your physician ask if he plans to sign up for Obamacare. The drop/add period to get on or off of medicare is every December. Obama plans to force docs who take medicare to take Obamacare. I predict that physicians will be getting off medicare in droves this December just to avoid taking this new plan.

80 years and counting
The premise that this is being rushed through congress is a flat out false.
The campaign to make health care a right has been going on for more than 80 years. Organizations and congressional committees have been comparing and contrasting different systems from around the world studying the efficacy of various nations. The problems of our system are thoroughly documented and fully understood.

A note to my right wing friends. "quit defending the rapist"

Health insurance makes profit only by denying treatment.


personal policies
I was an independent contractor in the early 90's. My solution to healthcare was simple. I took out a "catastrophic" policy for my family - $2,000 deductable - because it was the least expensive, simplest approach. That meant I paid personally for all routine stuff. Wow - imagine that! It worked great too. No forms to fill out, no company paying for my insurance and then controlling it (switching to different carriers so I'd have to switch doctors, etc).

This approach is so simple. It would be even cheaper if there were no group policies getting discounts - basically, single policy holder paying higher than they otherwise would. The same as my homeowner or auto insurance. Get everyone else out of the way - government, my employer, etc.

The only thing we'd have to do as a nation then, is subsidize insurance payments so the poor could have personal policies too. I'm sure that would be far less expensive than anything else being disucussed.

For Greene
You: We are in bad way and this time the greed of the rich isn't going to help them even they are feeling it and it is going to go deeper before we see and end to this. Health care is over priced due those running the system is found easy to charge you $20 for box of tissues then the $1 you pay at the store. the Pharmaceutical companies say it research you are paying for but then you look at other place selling the same drugs you pay $100 for for $20 or even less.

Me: You are a Democrat since your rant starts with a screed against the rich. Health care at an ER is mandated for free by federal law. Some hospitals near the Mexican border have had to close their ER's because of the number of illegals they have to treat who do not pay. Those of us with health insurance pay through the nose to shift the cost of the non-payers' care to us. This has nothing to do with the rich, it has to do with a hospital keeping its doors open. Canada sells American medicines cheaper than they are sold here. Canada gets the benefit of all the research our companies have done to create the drugs, so Canada can buy them in great quantities at less cost. Do you think that developing new drugs for AIDS and cancer is cheap? Do you think that the cost of creating these drugs should not be factored into the cost? As an analogy, do you think GM should build cars without including in the sales price the cost of designing the car, paying the labor, buying the materials, and delivering the car to sellers? You seriously need to pick up a tome on economics and shut your pie hole before you say something else stupid.

Amen Mr. Stossel!
I am hoping that there are enough sane people left in this country to get this thing defeated.

I am so sick of the stupid people in this country thinking that the government providing insurance for everyone is the answer to the problem. How about reform of the private health insurance industry? (making it illegal to drop coverages, allowing people to keep coverages when they change jobs, etc.) How about reforming the litigation process so doctors don't have to pay exorbitant costs for malpractice insurance? (which is then passed on to us, the consumer) How about giving the consumer more control over their healthcare dollars? If people had to spend the money themselves, you can bet they are going to shop around for the best prices, which in turn will cause competition among providers and bring prices down.

Free markets, baby. Get the government out of my life and out of my health care decisions.

Reading the bill
On page 37 of the House bill there is a provision that says lifestyle choices that lead to health problems may be denied care. It is aimed at smokers, but once the camel's nose is in the tent, it will be expanded to include other things. Let's see, do you think the Democrats will include promiscuity (STD's), homosexuality (AIDS, STD's, ER to remove items from the an*s), diabetes which can be blamed on obesity, etc. And notice the inconsistency when ideology trumps science: free care at ER for illegals is mandated, but Americans who smoke can be denied care. Can you imagine the howling? How about a ballet dancer who needs a hip replacement? Dancing was her lifestyle choice. Miners with black lung, mining was his lifestyle choice. The whole thing is such a nightmare, can you imagine what the Federal Health Board would do with this kind of power? It is really scary. And since our legislators no longer read the bills before they vote, we the voters better read them and call our reps over and over again. On moonbattery.com there is a video of a townhall meeting with the R from Deleware, Mike Castle, who voted for Cap and Trade and wants to vote for the health care. He is roundly booed over and over again. He even admitted that the majority of the calls to his office were against Cap and Trade but, in his own words, that is not what he bases his vote on. Time to remove the arrogant legislators. Don't forget this at the polls people!

Funny how nobody on the left...
...sees what an international embarrassment public education has become and uses that as justification to demand greater involvement of the private sector. But show them any fault, no matter how big or small, with a privately run industry and the clamor for government control is deafening.

Hmmm, could it be they're really more interested in ever more government power and not better service for the general public? Behind every apparent double standard lies an unconfessed single standard.

M

By far the best post I've ever seen on TH. Nicely done and 150% true.

Two important factual errors
In ref to the "47 million" (or "15% of the population") being uninsured: This number is drawn from the 2000 Census. It includes illegal aliens and those on Medicaid. The other largest segment are singles under 35 who primarily due to good health do not choose to be insured. Therefore, the real number is closer to 20 million. The 47 million number is a manipulative shill.

Second, the oft repeated "worst care in the industrialized world" or "worse care" than other countries: Again, wrong and deceptive. The mortality rates for heart disease, breast cancer, and prostrate cancer is *significantly* greater in the U.K. The reason is the lack of availability or wait time required for diagnostic procedures like MRI's, etc. Furthermore, the numbers are a distortion due to being averages; the vast majority of those insured are pleased with their coverage and receive very good care.

There definitely does need to be major reform of the system. But the fundamental problems are understood and can be addressed. The Obama proposal is a ruse, supported by disingenuous manipulation of the data.

Amazing Freedom!
The dark cloud of Government "Healthcare" looming over the USA (or USSA?)is just one aspect of our current culture, instilled on us through several decades of brainwashing.
The only way to change our dire future would be a minimum 20 years of reverse-brainwashing (back to common sense) which is highly unlikely.
We used to be humble, small farmers in the US up until about a decade ago when we said enough! We had enough of the excessive govrnment meddling (EPA,FDA,USDA,OSHA,IRS,HS,ETC ETC ETC)so we decided to sell our assets in the US and try our luck in Brazil.
Since we moved there (in 2000) we have grown beyond our wildest dreams! The government actually help us with low cost financing and state of the art technologies. We employ over 3000 people (our labor costs and taxes are similar)thanks to less costly compliance with endless bureaucrats and first and foremost, huge savings on preemptive litigation insurance.
We are now competitive in 27 countries and compete almost exclusively within the global market without one single American producer!
The problem in America is GOVERNMENT MEDDLING!

Right on, Stossel
Keep telling it like it is.

Has anyone asked themselves, or their Congressmen and women perhaps, what the breakdown of that "46 million uninsured" really is?

How many of the so-called 46 million are uninsured by choice?

How many of the 46 million are illegal aliens? I'm betting Obama and his band of thugs are counting the 20 million plus illegals in this country in that number.

I'm not surprised the MSM isn't asking these questions, not when each of them is vying for the title of "approved US media agency" and all the perks that go with being the American Pravda. The rest of them will have to eat cake, I imagine.

dirk #5
Good post! A lot of us have done this same thing with perfectly good results. The problem seems to be that we have too many people who don't think they should have to pay for their own health care; they prefer that their neighbors do so. These same folks drive nice cars, have every modern convenience, and live high on the hog, however they willingly pass off their medical expenses to others. These are the parasites who want 'reform' so that they can soak the responsible yet more. This is one reason that I oppose paying the health care bills for anyone except the mentally and physically impaired; the risk for abuse is too great.

a great irony...
The rest of the world has always maintained a "free rider" relationship with the US. Whether it was denim jeans and stolen military technology secrets by the USSR, the use of telecommunications, the consumption of our incredible agricultural bounty, transportation, medical advances, you name it. Not everything has been invented in the US, of course, but more things have been invented and commercialized here because of the liberty we all have to try and succeed or fail on our own merits. We don't build walls and fences to keep people here, the rest of the world would love to come here.

Where will we go or want to go when we have become an authoritarian, "progressive" nation run by elites who have killed motivation of our brightest and best and therefore the golden goose. One wonders not only where will we go, but about all those forweign students and healthcare consumers and job seekers who have been teeming to America for as long as one can remember. Where will they go after America is neutered by our government and turned into a 3rd world continent?

Egon...
You are right, but the aplphabet soup of government agencies has been around far more than a decade or so. Except for HS (is that homeland securtity or something else?) everyone one of them was a PITA even back when I was growing up in the 60s and 70s. What FDR didn't dream up, LBJ added on. Even Nixon added a few goodies.

Who is the Right Person for the Job?
Healthcare most certainly needs some improvements, remediation, whatever you wante to call it. There are several reasons why healthcare has become too expensive and probably one of the biggest reasons is government involvement to date with the private market system. Why would we want the same entity that has squandered SS funds, medicare funds and cant run its own VA system to the be the one to fix the problems it cant seem to fix in other similar programs?

The right person...
for the job of making decisions on healthcare would be the consumer as it always has been.

Deny treatment?
BubbaGump

I take it that you never worked in the health insurance field. If an insurance company denies treatment to a patient that needs the treatment, they will quickly receive a lawsuit and an inquiry from the Department of Insurance. Should the inquiry prove valid, the insurance company can expect a fine and a lot of bad publicity. Neither of which is good for their business. For an insurance company to make a profit they must pay claims based on their policy obligations and manage their premiums responsibly.
As far as your assertion that health care is a right, why do you think that you have a right to someone's else labor? Doctors and nurses must spend years in school and training to attain their positions. Not to mention the expenses that they must incur. Are they supposed to do their jobs for free? Would you perform your job for free?

Thank you, Mr. Stossel!
Well said!

FeedFwd TX
Yes, the alphabet soup has been around for a long time. They started off fairly innocuously with little or no pressure. In the past 20 years it has become a real burden to anyone wanting to produce just about anything.
Today, government, in partnership with huge corporations are raping what's left of the American frontier spirit of "can do".
In my field, agriculture, for example, we are free to use an electronic water treatment system that controls insects without the use of chemicals. Yet, in the US these are all but forbidden because of the chemical companies lobbies. By the way, this system was developed in the US and now it's also looking into moving their headquarters to Brazil.
As far as healthcare is concerned, Brazil has a two tier system, one a private one covered by private insurance companies, every bit as good and modern as anywhere in the world, and the government insured, covering the rest of the folks at government run clinics and hospitals. Even these aren't as bad as Canada or the UK.
Private insurance costs are far lower than in the US because frivolous malpractice suits are unheard of. Most of them would layghed right out of court and, besides, losers must pay all costs!
At the rate we are collectively gullible thinking we will get "something for nothing", if the proposed healthcare as per current Congress is passed, pretty soon only politicians and government employees plus the very rich will have decent medical care in America and it will probably result in outsourcing this care to other countries...the only problem might be about whether they will accept Dollars as payment.

Teri
You realize that the system you are fulminating against is already run by the free market.

not good enough for them. but for me?
all i know for sure about whatever health care plan emerges from congress is this: our senators, representatives and most federal, state and local government workers will not be part of it.

if it's not good enough for our "public servants" it's not good enough for me. and shouldn't be for any american who pays taxes.

Haste makes waste, 'O' is irresponsible!
For the President and Congress to demand we hastily pass a health care plan, of such consequence with little review, insults our intelligence! Those who so recklessly decide our future health fate, without making an 'informed' consent, do our Country a huge disservice. Vote the emptyhead push'overs out!
Ex Democrat

Define the Problem
I don't even think the problem has been defined yet - and we are already working on a solution. Maybe the problem is that there is not enough competition in the medical market place. Are all the people who are qualified to be medical professionals allowed to participate in the education process? Are all the businesses that want to be able to produce a better product allowed to participate? Is the FDA using sound processes to fulfill their obligation to protect the US from drug malfeasance - or are they overboard in their rigid rules? Are there some medical processes that could be performed by less stringent and costly organizations - and processes? This is a lot like the Global Warming hysteria. Let's solve this problem before we are sure it is a problem - and that we have garnered all the info necessary to determine the best and least costly route to take.

Is Healthcare a Right?
Well if it is then;

1. Being well fed is a right.

2. Being not to warm or too cold is a right.

3. Transportation is a right.

and on and on with the things we need to survive from day to day.

I would submit that items 1 to 3 are actually more important to us than healthcare as they are daily essential needs of life. Therefore we need the Federal Government to have

Universal Eating Care

Universal Air Conditioning Care

Universal Transportation Care

all before we would have Universal Health Care.

Then our essential "rights" would be taken care of.

Haste makes waste, 'O' is irresponsible!
For the President and Congress to demand we hastily pass a health care plan, of such consequence with little review, insults our intelligence! Those who so recklessly decide our future health fate, without making an 'informed' consent, do our Country a huge disservice. Vote the emptyhead push'overs out!
Ex Democrat

Get Congress out of it.
If our system was “broken” 80-85% would not be happy with their current coverage. If it is the “worst” system then why do you not see thousands heading to Canada, Spain, UK etc. to get their maladies fixed? Instead we see just the opposite, they come from all over the world for our health care. I wonder why that is, do you?
So Congress has to destroy the 85% to get the 15% that wont or don’t have any insurance (not health care, they have health care.) The uninsured figures I have seen are 1/3 are illegals, so should not be eligible, another1/3 are already eligible for medicaid, but are to stupid or lazy to sign up, and the last 1/3 can afford insurance but elect not to buy it. Isn’t that their right? Mass. decided to mandate everyone MUST buy insurance, with help from the state, and they are going broke after only 3 years. This entire debate is about INSURANCE not health care. While the mantra is that if everyone had insurance, they would then take care of themselves and that would save billions each year. Right! And drug laws work good too. We will still have McDonalds and Burger King.
Tort reform and free market principles for insurance policies, letting the policy holder decide what to insure against, would reform our system so it was much more affordable for everyone. Congress will not even consider that, they would lose their power and lobbyist monies.

It sucks to be right...
"I fear not, based on the comments on my blog. When I argued last week that medical insurance makes people indifferent to costs, I got comments like: "I guess the 47 million people who don't have health care should just die, right, John?" "You will always be a shill for corporate America.""

Don't feel bad John. If there weren't millions of morons in this country, Obama wouldn't be President and there would be no liberals in Congress.

Cromag 2:01
Your handle says it all. It isn't the insurance companies that are causing the problems in the health industry. It's the freakin' lawyers. You and I live in the tort capital of the world. There are more sue-happy lawyers, per-capita, in Cali then anywhere in the world (except possibly NYC).

I go with Shakespeare: "The first thing we do is kill all the lawyers."

TORT REFORM NOW!!!

The Audacity of BS
Obama is just a narcissistic used car salesman, putting pressure on people to sign on the dotted line without reading the fine print.

Never promote a Chicago democrat. Never.

Voters
The Haven-nots outvoted the Haves in the last election. This is the sad result.

Insurance 20 years ago...
When I was starting out in my own business 20 years ago, I had a major medical policy for catastrophic health problems - no maternity insurance. I paid as much for the birth of my first child in 1991 as I did for my second, who was born under the "protection" of maternity insurance less than three years later. The difference? About $3000 in premiums. So the birth of my second child actually cost more than the first, because the state mandated maternity insurance when my partnership decided to purchase a group plan for "better coverage" and "cost savings".

So-called employer health insurance has inflated healthcare costs for years, and now it serves as the whipping boy for those who think they know how to make better health care decisions than us .

Give me a break!

A Lucid Moment
John, you have captured the anger and frustration of this citizen, for starters. If anyone doubts Hayek's insights, pick up "The Road to Serfdom." Read it and weep. The One will be appearing on the idiot box tonight, again to attempt to sell us this heap of crap. My wish is that John Stossel would be given 5 minutes to rebut.

Abuse of HealthCare
Thank you for your usual insightful commentary. Growing up in a family of eight children with no health insurance, we did not seek medical assistance unless absolutely necessary. When my parents took us to the doctor, they paid cash. To this day, even though I have excellent health insurance through my employer, I do not rush to the doctor for every little ache and pain. Too many of my co-workers take delight in the attention of going to the doctor. When it only costs $20 - $25 dollars out of their pocket, it is an inexpensive way to draw attention to themselves. Our employer increased the amount that we now have to pay for our coverage. So, they are determined to "get their money's worth" and run to the doctor for any reason. They don't seem to understand that if they would refrain, all of us would realize a savings. We have become a nation of super-consumers, addicted to attention, and unwilling to change our habits to benefit everyone.

Vote 'em out
Enough of the Ivy-League Buffoons, vote 'em out and elect common folks with common sense that are leaders in the community.

Getting what they deserve
Obama is exactly what the Libs deserve unfortunately responsible people will suffer for it.

government overreach
There are three purposes in Article 1, Section 8 of the US constitution for which powers are delegated. Let me say that again before getting to the substance of my comment, there are three purposes, these in of themselves are not powers, but powers are delegated for them. One is Common Defense, which is not particularly germane here, another is to pay the debt(WHOA!!!!!really missing the boat there), and the third is the general welfare of WHAT?? the UNITED STATES, not the people, the states.
Anyone who actually chooses to read the US constitution can plainly see that the powers are for the states. Common coinage "To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;" This produces confidence and enables commerce by having sound money that is good in all the states.
Interstate commerce, "To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes". This enables the states to trade goods with others without being overly taxed by those states which had the advantage of not needing to go through a state with goods.
Interstate travel and shipping, "To establish Post Offices and post Roads". This benefits the states by growing the means of intercourse between them, promoting trade and general common interaction.

government overreach

There is also full faith and credit, privileges and immunities, but one can see that this all meant to enable the states to have commercial intercourse with other to promote the GENERAL WELFARE. NO OTHER POWERS HAVE BEEN GRANTED! The US constitution, that LEGALLY BINDING document shows that congress and the president are not to dictate to the states or the people how to conduct business, or take over businesses, and certainly not to take away peoples fruit of labor to benefit others. So again both parties by continually assuming powers never granted have contributed to the ruin of this country by continually expanding the role of "government" to reach into all areas of life.

Who DO they think they are?
My mother used that phrase when we were kids and attempting to control our siblings and it has no less an effect on our legislators.

"Control Costs" is the canard when what legislators really mean is Control Americans' Choices and line their pockets with kickbacks.

To those that think everyone should have health care: if you want to personally write a check for your neighbor, go ahead - with your money.

People don't have healthcare because of their personal choices - one choice over another toward differing priorities.

Thank you, John Stossel
For another thoughtful column.

I would have more confidence in the government running health care if they did a good job on the things that they have taken over. For example, in North Carolina 49% of the public school students (K to 12) failed their end of grade tests, about 30% fail to graduate from high school and most importantly 33% of those who entered prison in 2008 tested at sixth grade or below for reading.
The teachers are professionals but the results are not.

Why do we think that government will do better at running the health care system than they currently do running the education system?

John in VA @ 10:30
Concerning Bubbagump, you should reread his comment, I believe you would see even more evidence of his foolishness. Why? Well, he did not say health care was a right, he said that they have been working to MAKE it a right. Something cannot be made a right, something is a right and is acknowledged as such, and government is to protect such.
Bubbagump, you fool rights are these; life, liberty and property/fruit of labor. If one cannot by the fruit of ones own labor produce the wealth to to exchange with someone else's fruit of labor, how can it be a right? Only by stealing from or enslaving another(even de facto) can government act in health care.
Man is not the determiner of rights, for if so, nothing is a right, merely a temporary grant given at the pleasure of whoever can impose his will.

magical thinking
There is not really an argument that the problems currently faced in the country concerning health care costs can be addressed by the free market. Instead, for Stossel capitalism works as magic.


He doesn't really consider what is actually in Obama's proposal (or the various other proposals) because his view that it won't work is a priori. It was written in the book of Hayek and so it does not need to be understood or questioned.

Will there be a profit to be made in providing access to health care for the truly poor? Maybe, or maybe not. Stossel doesn't really care. So the drop in poverty that occurred in the '60s following the expansion of government into areas of addressing poverty does not exist for him. It should not have happened on his theory so for him it didn't.

That the cycles of boom and bust have been less severe since the government took a more active role does not enter his consciousness because it violates his articles of faith.

There are serious libertarians who have columns at Townhall. Sullom and Chapman come to mind. But Stossel really isn't one of them.

killer
Lets see. For the last 52 years Congress has not had a balanced budget. How long are we to wait for the numbers to become positive? The numbers are: According to AEI there is $89 trillion in unfunded liability in Medicare. Medicaid has $26 trillion and Social Security has $11 trillion in unfunded liability. Also, the federal government is on the hook for another $24.7 trillion with the bailouts. Those numbers are truly mind boggling and to ignore them is stupid. Yes, bury your head in the sand and say government know what it is doing.

health care system?
By falling into the trap of using this vernacular, one is already losing the battle. It serves to imply that it something other than services provided/property or labor which places ownership in the hands of those doing the providing. To then talk about fixing it, suggests the right of others to dictate how one may utilize ones time (liberty) or property/labor when no pocket is being picked or leg being broken(Jefferson).
It also dictates conscience which is a violation of establishing religion, for the argument of morality is introduced, thus another violation of liberty.
While I'm at it, another false phrasing is calling it a public good. Public good would be such a thing as roads which benefit all by enabling greater exchange of goods, better ability for defense and general interaction that enables the people to have society and be informed. Health care as under consideration can only truly be a private benefit, as it goes to directly to specific people. Yes, one can make a tortured argument about everyone being healthy and so one, but it is still sophistry.

It really isn't about...
...health care or health insurance. It is another step in the planned take-over of the American economy by folks who want to rule us, in every detail of our lives, forever. Don't get lost in the fuss over what the proponents of the health care reform intend or why the President let the Speaker draft the legislation. The President, the Speaker and the President pro tem of the Senate are the triumvirs who intend to establish the rule by demagogues, by tyrants, over the nation. That is what they intend. Not reform of health care, diversity on the Supreme Court, saving the world from global warming, etc etc. Those are the steps, the wedges, they use to separate the Constitution, completely, from the actual methods of governance. Their goal is nothing less than reducing us to the state of "citizens" of the former Soviet Union: peasants to their lord, peons to their patron, slaves to their master. The extent to which misdirection, hidden dealing, lies, deception and propaganda is being used by this President and his allies is unprecedented in American history, but is quite familiar to the students of European history, particularly the rise of the Communists in Russia and the Nazis in Germany. Don't be distracted from the overall picture by the details of specific bits; there isn't anything but the disagreement among thieves over how to divide the loot which prevents the President from implementing the plan in a "one, two, three; done" fashion. Welcome to "hope and change"; how is that working out for you?

Arrogance on steroids
I agree with all that you say. It is just typical of the liberal elite to think that "they have the answer" above and beyond all of the other countries who have tried and failed nationalizing healthcare. If the government can't effectively run the post office, how the heck are they going to run healthcare? The reality is they are not, it will be rationed and we are screwed. Would Obamacare allow an elderly man to have by-pass surgery in his 80's? With national health care, it would not happen. My father-in-law has enjoyed 6 more years of good health after his triple by-pass at age 81. There is no way under Obamacare/Pelosicare/Reidcare that this would have happened. Who would pay for Nancy's cosmetic surgery?

WE BOUGHT THE PACKAGING :IT'S EMPTY
Your column really reflects and says everything I have been thinking (and do not have the skills to express so clearly). I do beleive that American citizens were "enchanted" by a well design massive marketing campaign to launch a "fix-all" product: B.O. As with all products that sound too good to be true, it has proven to be just that. Nevertheless,ideology does not a bill pay and Lord knows we all have lots of those. So far the only thing this "new and improved" version of the classical Washington DC politician has delivered is much more of the same. And Americans are rapidly and rudely awakening from this dangerous "enchantment" to be profoundly 'dissenchanted" with this bizarre administration.

Pelosi
said this morning that everyone will have a cap on what you pay but no cap on the benefits that you receive. So, the cost of health care will go down under this plan?

Critical Thinkers like CROMAG

I always amazes me that the "critical thinkers" on the left believe in nefarious plots by "big business" to do harm to the people and control or ruin lives but cannot see the government doing the same. It's like they see the evil Snidely Whiplash type moving some giant levers in order to intentionally inflict suffering or the downtrodden for the shear pleasure of it.

Business cannot make me do anything. If I don't like the product, service or price I can go elsewhere or do without. The police power of the state on the other hand can and does force me to do things against my will.

Get a grip.

Mike Johnston
SFC USA (RET)

Naive Mr. Stossel
Liberals basically don't trust the markets and think they know better. Obama hung out with people who think the free markets are inherently flawed and unfair. So, of course they want the opportunity to "fix" these injustices. Also, if health care reform passes, D!ck Morris noted that the government will control 45% of our economy, up from 30% when Obama took office. Is that scary enough for you?

Healthcare
I had no health insurance for approx. 5 years then I purchased my own health insurance coverage for about 4 years as my employer did not offer it. My current employer just starting paying for my health coverage this past January. So I am quite familiar with the millions of Americans without coverage. Still I believe the government getting control of our health care would be a complete disaster. Our system may be flawed but it is better than anywhere else in the world. Exactly what is the government controlling now that they are doing efficiently? Why with the economy as it is and billions going for the "stimulus" would we want to have our government spend more?

Soviet medical care
Even today, 20 years after the collapse of Communism, some ignorant Americans ask me about the Soviet health system: "Is it true that medical help in the Soviet Union was free? How wonderful, imagine, free medical help when needed"!

Yes, it was free and as such, it was terrible, similar to Cuba's system today. Soviet state paid all workers minimum wage and therefore must provide social services "free", including medical service.

What would you prefer: Soviet (Obama) minimum wages and government care where doctors, nurses and hospital personel also received minimum wages and therefore do not give a d*** about you; Or money in your own hands and your own choice of doctors or hospitals?

That's the difference. With Obama socialist system peope will be taxed so high that they will bring home the minimum and will be forced to join government care. And when you do,your life will be decided by the government bureaucraut: the choice of doctor, hospital, medicine, treatment, everything. You become a government issue. That's Obama/Pelosi plan.

In that case I guarantee you complete negligence, indifference, even hatred toward the patient who interrupt doctors conversation or smoking, by his/her ridiculous complaints about heatlh issues. Doctor will give you aspirin (free) and send home. And if you are over 65, why waste time and money on you. 65 was the men's life expectancy: retired at 60, died at 65.

That is socialism in action. Of course, if you belong to the Communist elite the story will be different. But in that case you must be a devoted well placed Communist or an important foreign symphatizer, someone like Michael Moore.


HAS OBAMA LOST FAITH IN OBAMANOMICS?
His rush to pass health care reform tells us yes. It tells us that the Great Depressor has grown pessimistic about his economic recovery plan.

Click my name and read my piece: Has Obama Lost Faith in Obamanomics?

Brainwashed Socialist LibNazi's
Only a brainwashed socialist LibNazi would believe the government can revamp healthcare. The Usurper in Chief, and those in Congress are NOT qualified, they can't even handle Medicare and Medicaid.

2010 and 2012 !

My question is...
What authority does Congress have to legislate in this area? And don't answer "Commerce Clause." Health and Welfare is the province of the states under the 9th and 10th Amendments. It's not interstate commerce if you get sick and go to your local health care provider.

I think a health care bill is plainly unconstitutional. Congress has no business legislating in this area. The states should rise in opposition.

fencerdad
I agree with you. Too many of our laws have been due to a misconstrual of the Commerce Clause, which has been used as a bludgeon to steal individual and state rights.

Arrogance
Arrogance is indeed the problem in Washington DC. Our career politicians believe that their Ivy League degrees place them on an intellectually superior pedastal. They believe that us mere mortals are too dangerous to make our own decisions or have personal responsibility. In their infinite wisdom they want to decide for us our medical lives, what cars we drive, what we eat, our school cirriculum, our salaries, our loan worthiness, and on and on. Who really believes that these people are that smart? Who want to give these people this much power? America, please wake up. Many of our politicians may be "book smart", but most of them lack an ounce of common sense. The beauty of our founding documents was their simplicity. We do not need self absorbed geniuses to interpret them. We need Patriots to enforce them.

People Who Could NOT Get Jobs Elsewhere
Congress, the Senate and the Presidency have become too powerful. These folks probably never had a job outside their track of HS, College, Attorney. Now, they think they are economic geniuses, riding the white horse of (insert righteous fallacious cause here).

Do not impugn their integrity, for they are "for the people", "for the noble illegal aliens who just want to work to feed their poor starving families" (pay no attention to crime statistics, we're for the other ones), "for the little guy", "for apple pie and American values" (always a winner) "for the veterans", "for puppies", "for the minorities", and "for the minorities with puppies."

These are the most pompous, phony, crooked bunch of characters ever assembled into one government, including and especially Obama.
And they are not that bright.

These intelligentsia are going to solve our Nation's problems? Ha! What a laugh. They are going to line their pockets with GREEN dollars. That's all. They couldn't find their butt with both hands.

Grim
http://www.TalkdToDeath.com

Are uninsured just left to die?
Please. This is one of the biggest lies propogated by the left. Two examples: I know this guy who is an ex-con; lives in VA; has not worked for maybe 30 years; had lung AND heart transplant; has spent literally months in hosital, most of that time in intensive care. Obviously he obtained a LOT of treatment without insurance. I have a young friend who decided to live free and green and thus became a waitress. No health insurance. By the time her holyistic Dr sent her to a real Dr, she had Stage 4 Hodgkins. Oregon was set to give her her treatments. Her mother brought her back to Washington DC area to be treated by a top Georgetown Dr. The cost for total remission? $30,000. Whether the Oregon treatment would have worked, no one knows. But I would love to ask these people who are dying because of no treatment, why this is so. I know of NO ONE who has died because of no health insurance.

And those charmers who say "we" don't care about the uninsured? I'm over 60, and "they" don't care that under Obama the sum of my healthcare will be a morphine drip.

Not really
BubbaGump @ 8:57 AM EST writes:

"Health insurance makes profit only by denying treatment."

Not so, they make a profit by insuring lots of folks who are healthy and never submit claims.

And what makes you think politicians are any more altruistic than medical insurance companies? They are all lining their pockets at our expense.

Hey Killer
From the Social Security website:"Ratio of covered workers to Social Security beneficiaries
The line chart shows the ratio of covered workers to beneficiaries from 1955 to 2080. In 1955, there were 8.6 workers supporting each retiree. By 1975, that ratio had declined to 3.2 workers per beneficiary and remains between 3.2 and 3.4 over the next 30 years. Current projections have the ratio starting to decline again in 2008, decreasing at an increasing rate until it reaches 2.1 workers per beneficiary in 2031. Thereafter, it continues to decline by one-tenth of a percentage point approximately every fifteen years, so that by 2080 there are only 1.8 workers per beneficiary." So, the number of payers to recipients will decrease by about 1/2 yet you expect more money. Also, what do you think happens the Medicare and Medicaid during that same time frame. So, who is the stupid one?

One more thing Killer
You state:"Also, leave the numbers alone, you could never understand the ramifications! " Is the reason you don't want to see the numbers is because the debts are so large there is no way to pay for them. I guess we should just go by how you feel.

Mike @ 1:13 PM
Well said, brother. Why do they trust politicians more than they trust business? Because they are statists...the state is their god.

Egon(43) and Don(52) are dead on:
Egon: "Private insurance costs are far lower than in the US because frivolous malpractice suits are unheard of. Most of them would laughed right out of court and, besides, losers must pay all costs!"
Don: "It isn't the insurance companies that are causing the problems in the health industry. It's the freakin' lawyers. You and I live in the tort capital of the world. There are more sue-happy lawyers, per-capita, in Cali then anywhere in the world (except possibly NYC). I go with Shakespeare: 'The first thing we do is kill all the lawyers.'"

If Loser Pays was adopted, most of the lawyers would die of starvation anyway. But since most of the idiots in the Capitol are lawyers ...fugget aboudit!

JOHN
You wrote "How do these arrogant, presumptuous politicians believe they can know enough to plan for the rest of us?" John, obama went to Harvard. Now he knows everything about everything. He is an expert on world economy, national economy, business, medical, theology, and environmental science. He truely is the Messiah! As the rapist said to the victim " you ain't gonna stop me, so just relax and enjoy it".

Obamabots, let us all sing together:

We’re gonna spread happiness
We’re gonna spread freedom
Obama’s gonna change it
Obama’s gonna lead ‘em

We’re gonna change it
And rearrange it
We’re gonna change the world.




European?
France, Germany and soon Britain are tacking hard to the right in a desperate attempt to become more economically American and undo much of their socialistic debacle.

1200 more days of the community organizer.

What have we done?

If health care is a right
Then can't I wave that right? By their logic, the government should be providing me with a gun and the religious text of my choice.

Spend spend spend...
Ok.. on the table now.. Health Care, Cap and Tax, War funding bill that must be passed soon. People need to see all the amendments being hidden in the war funding bill. Congress is playing 52 card pickup on the legislation table right now to hide as much as possible. A magician will show you one hand to keep you from watching the other. The war funding bill has some dangerous things in it. Amnesty for illegals is going to also be hidden in the war funding bill to support our troops. Read the bill. Get the word out. This is the Obama admins version of "Shock and Awe"

Gunny, geek, st. denis, anne we need your research.

I liken this admin to the Dave Matthews Band dumping sewage on tourists in San Fran..so much sh*t that nobody knew what hit them.

John
Actually, it was in Chicago, but we get what you mean. :)

I don't have health care.
I don't have any health care. I am 60 years old and have my own business. I can't really afford health care, but that's OK. I don't go to doctors. I did go once this year, to urgent care, out of stupidity, and I could have put the $600 it cost me in a pile and burned it for all the good it did. I know people who have health care, and they don't give a damn what test are done or how much it cost because they have health care. You wonder why I had to pay $600 and the doctor did not even touch me. It cost $100 to pee in a cup, $100 to draw one tube of blood, rediculous!!!! I use natural medicine. By the way my naturopathic doctor diagnosed me correctly, was well in less that three weeks just taking enzymes. The American people need to get a grip. If they had to pay for their health care, they would think twice before wasting a doctor's time, and the doctor's would think twice before ordering unnecessary test.

Nationalized health care, I spit on you.
I have been through the system for various reasons. I'm a single Mom and cover my daughters plan too. I pay what I am responsible for and am profoundly grateful for the level of care.Sometimes the present care has been dreadful, but in balance,the good and talented providers outweigh the need for THIS plan. We need to re-tool what we have and NOT have a Federal takeover. I have many, many suggestions as to how we can approach this. 22 years as a hospital employee gives me some credibility.

Doctors and hospitals are highly accessible, even for the most poor. Its not perfect, but no pill can take all our pain away so to speak

What is happening now is selfish indulgence on the part of many who could do better for themselves. Life is hard! This does not apply to the severely retarded, the indigent, elderly or children. We are, and should always remain, the giving and caring country we are with regards to our most needy

Take on more responsibility for your personal health. If you don't, the Federal government will. If you love Obama's plan, expect something of this sort:

You, who lacks self care, will go to the back of the line. You're wasting precious resources.

"Here, put these diapers on.When the diaper becomes full, 'someone' will be along when THEY get a minute to change you. The usual wait is about 5 hours, maybe 6, after breaks and all. Do it yourself you say? Oh no, ma'am/sir, that is the job of someone else. That job, diaper changing, was CREATED for our nation by the Obama administration. I have no idea where they keep the diapers anyway. Best I can say is, "Keep your diaper on and wait." NEXT!

Nationalized Healthcare is the WORST thing that could happen to us in this great nation. My heels are dug in!

Take care of yourself;
It's time Americans took responsibility for themselves. Health care is expensive. If you were subjected to being sued because you could not perform miracles each and every time you tried to guess where it hurt and why. Tort reform is needed as much as personal responsibility. There are far too many people living off the dole.

There are reforms that are needed. Respectable insurance providers have made their own reforms and adapted to provide. We have the best health care system in the world today. Sure it could be tweaked. We don't need to wreck it.

Leave it to our "elected" and it will be wrecked. Write letters, make calls, take our country back.

Arrogance, Thy Name is Stossel
Once again, John Stossel shows again that he is more interested in snappy headlines and lead sentences than in accuracy and rational discussion.

Whatever words they misuse, the politicians are not trying to reinvent the American health-care system. They want to reinvent the American Health Insurance system. Stossel and his friends in the ranks of those on the take from the health-insurance giants, together with the parmaceutical thieves, are trying to confuse us by mixing up health care with health insurance. A government-run health care system is (rightly) scary. A government-run health-insurance system only scares the corporate medical-insurance crooks who run annual profits of $350 Billion, and CEOs who make $20 — $30 Million a year, Heavens that money from our pockets might go to paying for medical care. That money can buy a lot of politicians and 'journalists', and it seems that it has!

Arrogance, thy name is Joel
Neither Obama nor Congress claim to be concerned only with Health Insurance; both claim their concern is our health care. If either were serious about reigning in insurance company profits and control (rather than simple grabbing these profits and control for themselves and their cronies) they would be taking routine medical care out of insurance pools with HSA's, PSA's and tax credits.

As to CEO salaries, John Edwards made $40 million off our health care and his contribution was an increase in defensive Caesarian Section births, a contribution of dubious value at best.

John Stossel is my hero!
Thank you, thank you, thank you, John Stossel, for writing what I've been thinking!!!!! Finally, a member of the journalistic community who can't be bought, or coerced, or sweet-talked into toeing the liberal media line. I will leave you with one request : MORE!!!!!!!

USA HAS WORST HEALTHCARE IN THE WORLD
GIMME A BREAK. Those who say the US has the worst healthcare in the world apparently have not live in another country. I lived in Bolivia for a year or two. Let me tell you, the worst hospital or clinic in the US is far and away better than any I visited while in Bolivia. I carry the parasites to prove it. The only doctor worth visiting was a graduate of Harvard Medical School who returned to Bolivia to practice. He set up his own mini-hospital so he would not have to send anyone to the local city's facility. Yeah, ours has problems we need to fix, but those people who say it is the worst, don't know what they are talking about.

National Health Care Will Stop Invention
One thing Stossel could add:

Other countries in the world have no incentive to create new medicines and procedures with the billions of dollars, intense risk and prime human capital (smart scientists) required to invent them. Private companies in the U.S. account for the innovations that other countries then STEAL because they can't pay to make their own due to their lack of incentive to their own scientists.

We will dramatically slow down cures and innovation for the ENTIRE WORLD if we nationalize our health care, you absolutely have to pay those smart scientists a lot of money or 90% of them go elsewhere.

You can kiss a cure for cancer and aids good-bye.

health care
other than contacting our representatives, attending political rallies, and showing up at the voting booth, what can we do to stop the obama agenda?

the rush is disaster
We've already seen the mess created by haste. Just as with the "stimulus" fiasco, a rush to health care is a rush to disaster. It is being done in haste to prevent an sober analysis.

What can be done going further?
It is becoming clear to even the most liberal individuals that this health care reform is not about bettering the health or welfare of the American public. Nancy Pelosi is a nightmare and she needs to be removed. Then, Obama next. Both of these individuals have perpetuated strong arm type tactics to force a favorable "vote". This is NOT the democratic process and if allowed to continue, will set a precedent for further bullying. ENOUGH! I fully intend on taking time to March on Washington on December 12th. I fully intend on writing, speaking and blogging until both are out of office and hold no power. These two individuals must have a much bigger agenda, linked to other governments or- something? To further educate the public, I want to put more pressure on the mainstream media to REPORT everything that is going on, not just the generalized fluff that keeps Obama supporters just interested enough. When enough people take action, there WILL be a revolution and these two will not only be thrown out of office, but sent to a communists/socialists country of their choice. Make sure its one that keeps them in the bondage they so wish on us!

The Resistance to Health Care for All
There is a very simple bottom line to the fight against health insurance reform: Opponents of it believe that not all Americans should have affordable access to health care.

You can try to argue with this, but the arguments won't stand. Everyone who wants our health care and health insurance status quo to stay as it is are adamantly opposed to making health care for Americans a right instead of a privilege.

If those who are against health care and health insurance reform claim that they want all Americans to have affordable access to health care, I would like even just one of them to say how we can do that. Please. Tell me what a viable plan would be for ensuring that people won't die because they simply can't afford health care.

And please don't tell me they'll do that with tax cuts. For a typical family of 4, buying private health insurance without help would cost at least $700 per month. And that would be minimal coverage. Out-of-pocket expenses would still be financially painful.

Please, step up and tell me how we fix this. Or admit that you believe millions of people should be sacrificed so those who can get health care now won't be inconvenienced in any way.

Anyone?

Health Care for All
I'll be fair and give this a few days before I say "I thought so."
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