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Wednesday, January 14, 2009
John Stossel :: Townhall.com Columnist
A False Sense of Security
by John Stossel
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The $50-billion investment scam allegedly pulled off by Wall Street insider Bernard Madoff has ignited predictable calls for more regulation.

The "massive fraud ... was made possible in part because the regulators who were assigned to oversee Wall Street dropped the ball," said President-elect Obama.

"This scandal underscores the need for a 21st century regulatory approach," writes Arthur Levitt Jr., former chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), in The Wall Street Journal.

Notice the disconnect. Regulation failed, so we need more regulation. I see it differently. Regulation failed, so let's try free markets. That would be a change.

Regulation did indeed fail. "An executive in the securities industry, Harry Markopolos, contacted the SEC's Boston office in May 1999, urging regulators to investigate Mr. Madoff. Mr. Markopolos continued to pursue his accusations over the past nine years," The Wall Street Journal reported.

Of course, when a regulatory agency fails, the usual response is to make it bigger, not abolish it. Economist Robert Murphy notes, "In the private sector, when a firm fails, it ceases operations. The opposite happens in government. There is literally nothing a government agency could do that would make the talking heads on the Sunday shows ask, 'Should we just abolish this agency? Is it doing more harm than good?'"

Most people won't like the suggestion that we dump regulation for free markets. We can't let markets run themselves, they'll say. Someone has to protect the unsuspecting from conmen. The Madoff case shows why this view is wrong. We've always been told that regulation of financial markets protects the least knowledgeable investors. Sophisticated people know what they are doing and can fend for themselves.

But Madoff's alleged Ponzi scheme is fascinating precisely because it caught some very knowledgeable people. They knew Madoff. Everyone trusted him, including the regulators.

That's one reason those savvy investors gave him their money. But there is surely another reason. Since the 1930s, investors have been led to believe the regulatory system watches out for dishonest investment schemes. That creates a false sense of security -- and sets people up to be conned.

Advocates of regulation attribute almost magical powers to regulators, but clever cheats can get around any system. They always have. It's their chosen profession, and the regulators can't look everywhere. Regulation advocates also assume that bureaucrats are disinterested and incorruptible, but we know this is not always true. People who work in government are like anyone else. There will always be a percentage of individuals who can be tempted by corrupt opportunities. The logic of regulation would require that super bureaucrats be appointed to watch over the regulatory agencies.

But who will watch over them?

This is why regulation is counterproductive and a poor substitute for investor vigilance. The more rigorous the regulatory effort appears, the more risky it is.

Regulation by market discipline is better, but in our state-dominated culture few people realize this. Arthur Levitt says, "The complexity of today's products, markets and investment strategies calls for a laser-like focus [by the SEC] on risk assessment."

But the opposite is true. Savvy investors would do their own risk assessment if they didn't believe the government was doing it for them. And wouldn't they do a better job, considering it was their own money at risk? Regulators risk nothing.

Of course many of us investors are unqualified to assess risk for ourselves. But we could pay specialists for the service, generating a competitive market for risk assessment -- in contrast to the monopolistic SEC and other agencies.

That form of investor protection would be superior in every way to a system that gives a bureaucracy arbitrary power. After all, private risk assessors would have to justify their fees, which clients would pay voluntarily.

Current government regulation interferes with honest voluntary exchanges by imposing arbitrary terms and requiring tons of paperwork disclosing information no one wants anyway.

Fraud will always exist. Enforcement of anti-fraud laws is a useful deterrent, but in the end there's no substitute for investor vigilance. Government regulations provide a false sense of security -- and that's worth less than no sense of security at all.

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As I see it...
The problem with anything be it markets, food, doctors, et.al. is that when people relinquish their personal ownership of choice and ability to respond to the choice to another entity, they end up on the short end of the stick.

If an individual will not do the work needed for his or her personal self-interest toward self-reliance, placing government or anyone else at the helm is simply looking for a nanny or parent.

It’s like wanting a college degree, paying the University then not showing up for classes but expecting to graduate, receive your certificate and prosper from the choice.

A False Sense of Security
Because it was left in the hands of the gov't, the SEC, the many warnings of Mr. Markopolos went unheeded...how typical, unfortunately.

As a potential 'victim' of a bad investment, I agree with John Stossel. I should have investigated a "mortgage consultant" thoroughly, instead of trusting a family member's relationship with a group of "real estate investors".

Due diligence is crucial.

Straw Men
To all of those suggesting regulations are the same as traffic laws should look up the Straw Man logical fallacy. For those too lazy to bother (you wouldn't have suggested traffic laws and regulations are the same thing if you weren't), it is a logical fallacy where you create something easily defeated, attribute it to the argument at hand and claim victory. It's intellectually lazy.

A traffic law is only used AFTER someone breaks the law in question. Traffic laws don't have the effect of stopping people from speeding, improperly changing lanes or drunk driving. What they do give is a means to punish them after the fact for engaging in dangerous behaviors. Traffic laws don't give motorists the ability to simply ignore fellow vehicles, they may be driving too fast, too slow (most miss this one as a major cause of accidents), driving the wrong way or are inebriated.

A regulation is an attempt to stop bad behavior before they occur. Such activity is impossible and any attempts to do so result in excessive expense that crushes anyone who isn't a giant multi-national company and, as Madoff has proven, does nothing for us but kill competition and drive up expense for taxpayers.

All we can do is punish behavior after it happens. Regulations imply that there won't be any misbehaving while the regulators are being paid. This is far from the truth and does nothing but create harm. The SEC is useless, we have law enforcement already, we don't need someone double checking every accounting record that crosses an executive's desk. All it accomplishes is double the work and giving a seal of official approval to well hidden fraud.

Regulations
To suggest that because of the regulators were incompetent to trash regulations is asinine. Do we get rid of police departments or laws if the police are incompetent, and dont do their job? Of course not. We attempt to replace these people with competent people that WILL do their job.
Just like the rest of this TARP money, the same logic should apply. Just because the Bush Administration made an agglomeration of the first half of the TARP, does that mean competent people couldn't do a better job?
With the logic Mr Stossel has made, any time a person is placed in a position and he/she makes a disaster of the job, get rid of the rules that were in place that should have prevented a disaster because that person didn't follow the rules to do their job. GIVE ME A BREAK!

One question.
And it's not original, but: Who watches the Watchmen?

Madoff Should Be the U.S. President
Good grief, anyone who is that brilliant of a alleged thief should run for U.S. President and We The People should pay him to get the first $350 billion back that's unaccounted for from the bankers and whoever and the $2.3 trillions missing from the Pentagon's books; and a few other trillions missing from government's books; and maybe he can even locate the gold and if he's as good at getting our money back in the same way he became a billionaire as people obviously loved giving him their money then we wouldn't have to print trillions more dollars for the short term that will create a disaster in the long term when we can't pay back the interest, and all will be forgiven.

why so many oppose freedom
it demands personal responsibility, hard work, consideration of others (they are free too after all and will not associate with you otherwise)...in other words, it requires VIRTUE in order to survive. Before someone pulls out the usual darwinian red-herring, understand that freedom does not come from anarchy: it comes from limited government - namely, government that protects the exercise of individual freedom, which means that brutes can't force others to do submit to their will.

Those that argue in favor of government power beyond the limited outlines above say that people don't know how to exercise freedom responsibly. In reality, the thing that scares them most about freedom is that they will lose from it because, absent government coercion, they cannot command the same amount of resources from others on their own merits. That is why the academic left is so opposed to libertarianism: they rely on tax dollars and tuition from people who don't value what the academic left does. If a marxist sociologist asked someone who clings to their religion for payment for a lecture, that person wouldn't give it to them. Thus they have the government extract it from that person.

Translation: those opposed to freedom oppose it because they live off of its absence, which means that they are parasites, and the government is the means through which they steal from others.

term limits
Same old fox watching the chicken coup ,another reason congress fights term limits so much!

unbelievable
talk about disconnect: 80 grand in the freezer-Madoff scandal. How do you morons think he got the Existing regulators to look the other way? I'm not incredulous, your idiocy knows no bounds but I knew that. It's just seeing you write about bribes as if they are not part and parcel of some kind of attempt to get around regulations(laws). Jefferson accepted a bribe to circumvent the regulatory process that Tries to prevent government overspending or getting screwed by a faudulent contract.
then there is this other guy "in the majority" writing of more regulation making this Madoff ripoff less possible "it was better 8 years ago" to paraphrase. Madoff was operating this scheme more than 10 years ago. What is so hard to understand? He pulled this off under regulations that were, as you say, more strict 8 years ago. He pulled this off under everyone's noses when scrutiny was supposedly sharper and there was less "let it roll" mentality. Now, put some of it together, there is no disconnect here. Jefferson undermining one form of regulation by accepting 80grand and Madoff getting away with a scheme that merely grew when regulations were "relaxed". Do you think he did it without cooling down some money? That would be naive. Of course(cynicism here) if a democrat or bureaucrat took the money it will never surface and only Madoff will go down.

RE:John Stossel tv program SCHOOLS
It has been a few years back you hosted a tv program about the conditions in the tax supported school system. It was a great program. I would love to have a transcript of that program.
I have a blog site, octogenariansblog.com. I frequently write articles about the school situation in this country. I think they indoctrinate and not educate. I write a lot about phylosophy of freedom. thanks anne cleveland

KoolMuse Kool Aide
Kool Muse is looking at the surface and not facts.
1. This economic fiasco was created by feel good DEM programs using forced regulations to give loans to people (mostly minorities) who were unqualifed to get them. This was not a Bush created problem tho the REPs jumped on the easy money too.
2. Our gov't is mostly run by lawyers who have no idea about running manufacturing or building manufacturing business which is the only way to stay a superpower by having businesses create jobs in the USA. We NEED Big business in this country.
3. Here's some samples of regulations:
a. The complete Internal Revenue Code is more than 24 megabytes in length, and contains more than 3.4 million words; printed 60 lines to the page, it would fill more than 7500 letter-size pages.
b. The current Medicaid has 17,000 codes. This is the main reason in USA we spend 25-30% on administration costs instead of the normal 4-5% like the rest of world. Because of the regulation of how a doctor can get paid a doctor has to put a different code down each time they see a patient. It currently take a min of 3.5 mins to code a visit. Doctors have been complaining they run out of codes when a patient is seen many times (like for diabetes) for an illness. So instead of simplfying the system our gov't is going to a new system with 155,000 codes! Mandated by 2011 for all healthcare providers to istall at a cost estimated at $32 Billion. It's too big now!!!!
c. No child left behind. Teachers now spend most of their time trying to figure out how to meet gov't regulations or lose funding. It's paperwork and test scores that matter - forget about actual teaching.

Get the point? We are over regulated now. We need simple systems easy for everyone to understand and we will have LESS problems because it will be easy to spot them.

Lawyers are trained to make laws. Not undo them or remove them.



J.Howard - On anarchy
--
Writes J.Howard:

"The call for no regulation is absurd. We need laws of conduct on which all people can rely. Failure to enforce laws currently on the books is our problem."


You mistake the difference between "free market" (which is a self-governing system of economic allocation and use) and anarchy, which is the absence of government altogether.

A great many ignorant but honest people, either crippled by that which is today excused for "education" or simply too damned lazy to look sufficiently into the subject for themselves must - as J.Howard must - be disabused of the damned foolishness of presuming that government as an institution is necessary for every aspect of human life.

J.Howard - like millions of other Confused Wool - does not appreciate the degree to which he and everyone else on this planet lives *MOST* of his life without the compulsion of government affecting the most critical aspects of his health and welfare (not to mention matters of personal preference and conscience).

Government is a service agency, not a source of omniscient guidance.

The service provided by a properly functioning (and explicitly limited) government is the management of retaliatory violent force.

Each of us has the unalienable right to retaliate against those who trespass against our rights to life, liberty, and property. We delegate to the officers of government some of the *exercise* of that right so that they may punish transgressors and thus provide some degree of deterrence.

That deterrent function is *NOT* a guarantee of surety, and only a Confused Wool could possibly take it as such.

--

So the comparison is...
One is a hard head with convictions who is unwilling to give in and the other is an opportunists with no convictions at all. Some choice, and so typical of how American politics has devolved. Pity!

Koolmuse: Code For Kool Aid Drinker
Koolmuse offers, "I just don't see that Obama is lusting for power and money for their (and his) own sake ..."

You must be joking!

Obama dumped on his own church and mentor just to get votes!!! Who on earth would do such a thing? The man would run over his own grandmother for a vote. Ooops! I forgot, he already did that.

You may not like Bush's decisions, but he stayed with his convictions, no matter the populist chants, and delivered as promised.

UnKoolmuse and selective indignation
Made Off is remanded to his 7 million dollar penthouse. He is a big, crooked liberal and most of the people and charities that he fleeced were also headed up by huge liberals. Where are the liberals in demanding jail time immediately? This is really disgusting. He was helped by MANY, MANY politicians, I am sure.

I'll bet more of thoise that helped him are libs than conservatives, but I really don't care. When Koolmuse uses 4 scandals that really aren't proven scandals while leaving out the shady dealings of Frank, Dodd, Rangel, Boxer, Daschle, Richardson, Frank Raines, J Gorelick, Geithner, Blago, the Clintons and that walking fraud Al Gore to name just the most obvious, that is selective indignation....

Granted...
The Madoffs will always exist. One of my favorite movies was Paper Moon where Ryan O'Neal was a con and his daughter learned and became even better, if more moral.

Regulations don't stop them. Madoff bilked his friends and family, for goodness sake. What kind of person would do that? Madoff and similar swindles and cons occurred under the current system and would continue under any system. But if people do not expect somebody to be looking out for them, they will likely be more careful about investing their money. And if the con is a swindle based on a lie, like a Ponzi scheme usually is, then the redress would be to take the swindler down and make those victims who were defrauded as whole as possible. Furthermore, over time, people will regain the sense that something appearing to be too good to be true usually is.

FeedFwd
The problem is that Madoffs will always exist. I don't think this is a "buyer beware" situation at all. Did you see the list of people and organizations who were scammed?

This happens because people like Madoff have a lot, no, a LOT of influence and money. Madoffs will continue to exist even in Stossel's world... only worse.

Simple solution: proper oversight. It had been much better about, say, 8 years ago. There were warnings given by very knowledgeable people to the right organization that was supposed to look into the problem. No oversight = $50,000,000 scam. Would have been much less if the agency in charge did their job.

Furthermore, Stossel still makes the rookie mistake of giving a quote from one person and compares it to another person and says "Notice the disconnect?". Amateur. He could have made his point without abandoning logic in the first two paragraphs.

...and that begs the question....
Where does proper and reasonable regulation end and over regulation begin? Some of us believe we have crossed way over into the realm of over regulation and chafe at the idea that the answer is even more regulation. Perhaps that is just something on which we must agree to disagree.

In my mind, a free market is defined as one where anything goes as long as it is peaceful and voluntary and there isn't coercion or fraud by one party of an exchange toward the other party. Laws and a system of justice that establishes the rules for contracts and enforces them and handles fraud and theft which are clearly transactions occurring outside of the free market and a few regulations about who can participate in a contract or transaction (i.e., age of majority, mentally competent, etc)are certainly reasonable. Laws and regulations that license or limit parties in reasonable and voluntary exchange are usually the result somebody wanting protection from competition or somebody taking his moral standard and imposing it on everybody else. That is no place for the government, who simply shouldn't be in the business of picking winners and losers or backstopping those who suffer from their own informed and voluntary behavior.

Seriously, people
Read Alan Greenspan's article 'The Assault on Integrity'. Although Greenspan has turned into another slimy power seeker, he once had a firm grasp on the idea of Freedom and how Laisse-Faire Capitalism is the only moral political-economic system ever devised. God Himself is a Capitalist, after all (as defined by Ayn Rand).

Liberals - Populism Trumps Pragmatism
Koolmuse offers, "They got just what they deserved. They should have learned that nothing is free."

Agreed. We have elected a king demagogue that promises anything you want to hear. Heck, he even dumped his own church for votes. Who would do such a thing? Now, he has convinced Americans that only 5% of Americans will feel the pain. Good grief!

Obama and Madoff, two of a kind, fleecing America with glib over substance.

Forgetaboutit
Dems & Reps are to blame. After the first bailout fails...and is failing, the answer was more bailout by stimulus. Case in point. A lot of Reps are on board and it makes me gag. Even some talk show guys like O'Reilly are pushing it....wow.

Few people annoy me more than the Ron Paulers and the entire Libertarian party, but I'm SERIOUSLY considering moving over there, this is just retarded...I mean, mentally handicapped, sorry.

Regulation and free market
Sure I was kidding with the impeachment. The point is that one cannot have free market without the regulation and oversight. Regulation doesn't mean overregulation. Lack of regulation and overregulation kills free market and the vacuum is filled by the collectivist economy run by the state.

Keep the change
Why not? A billion is already a blase number. Chump change. If only we could get the libs to see that hiring more people to watch the previous people that were hired to watch the ones before them which were put there by a committee that hired a consultant to make things more efficient is not going to help. A columnist here recently titled a column, Stop Digging. We suffer from a lack of regulation about as much as we suffer from lack of air.

inthemajority....
You have completely misread Stossel. He is advocating buyer beware. In a world where the government cares for us from cradle to grave, there are no risks to take and we have no need to evaluate risks. The feds will always bail us out of any mistake we make. In an unregulated market, the investor is facing real risks and will be motivated to do more due diligence or suffer the same or worse as Madoff's investors. A new business will likely arise like Consumer Reports that helps people compare investors and investment schemes for those who don't have the time or skill to do their own research.

Also, Stossel is saying that in the case of outright fraud or theft, the thieves and cons need to be held accountable. Justice should be swift and severe. That won't eliminate fraud, but it will discourage it more than some bogus regulations that are not understood, let alone enforced and that lull the general public into a false sense of security.

koolmuse
I'm with you on Bush/Cheney. Obama hasn't taken office yet. As you said, let's give him a chance. We'll know a year or so from now if he knows what he's doing. Stay tuned...

HAND BOOK OF REG ETHIC
If the regulation by which the great country of Washington DC gets any more contradictory, some of us are going to have to grow the government in order to carry their book.


You made my point...
Thank you Koolmuse for your witty comments.

Matthew, do you realize how foolish you sound arguing for the impeachment of the president with less than a week left in his term? Even if it was the most pressing issue before Congress, you gotta believe they are a whole lot more interested in Obama's coronation than in dealing with Bush's impeachment. In the best of times, it could never be done in less than a week anyway. And there are certainly a number of issues that would seem to rise above the importance of relieving the epidemic Bush Derangement Syndrome. One wonders just how long the left can continue to use him as a punching bag when he is finally retired from office and when they will have to step up to the plate and take responsibility for their actions. Not that the MSM will push for it. Government is a snowball rolling downhill. Whether it is good or bad, liberal or conservative, it keeps growing and accelerating and it is stifling the rest of us who are not a part of it, but simply living downhill.

Sure John
So you are saying that less regulation would have somehow forced Madoff to be legit? Or that he would have been caught earlier, somehow, perhaps? Or that he would have scammed only 25 Billion?

Levitt's article makes sense. Stossel's is nothing but disjoint. Man "A" says this, but Man "B" says the following. See the disjoint?

No John, we don't. How about Stossel demands free markets (that have been proven to fail without oversight) but Levitt, a much more educated man in this realm, says otherwise. See the disjoint? Some pundit who bends his stories on a yearly basis (and frequently gets caught) wants us to have free markets, and more Madoffs. Sure, that's just a swell idea.

Be sure to read Levitt's article. Much more coherent than Stossell.

Greetings
For any interested, we have a chatroom for conservatives to hang out and chat with other conservatives.

the url is:

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Go there and click on register and then follow the instructions, and we'll see you there.

Trolls are also welcome to visit, mostly cause it's fun to be able to give y'all the big boot out the door.

Regulation of the market activity
It looks like the word "regulation" changes the meaning several times during the argument.
Unregulated free market cannot function. Regulation did not fail - the rules were not enforced and those who broke them should be in jail. In addition the government deregulated the financial sector (by creating Shadow Banking System). So now industry doesn't call for more bureaucracy but for restoring the rules of the game. Developing countries were learning from us how to regulate their free market but now teachers are having problem because they did not follow the rules. Government should be kept responsible and Bush should be impeached.

JamesB
It was six years of Republican 'cut taxes and spend like drunken sailors' attitude that led to this debt bubble implosion.

It was Republicans who spent more than the Democrats. They increased pork barrel spending from 3,000 to 14,000 projects a year, NOT PAID FOR.

They have engaged in a five and half year social engineering project in the Middle East that costs $120 billion a year and may well last another 100 years, NOT PAID FOR.

They have added another layer of entitlement spending that costs $50 billion a year called Medicare Prescription, NOT PAID FOR.

Mandated $4 billion a year in ethanol subsidies, as well as drastically increased cotton, sugar, soybean, corn, wheat handouts, NOT PAID FOR.

Doubled the size of the Department of Education, NOT PAID FOR.

How would you pay for all this spending? It took 210 years for the first $5 trillion and debt and only 7 years of Republican control to double it. It's nigh time for some fiscal Republicanism.

FeedFwd...
What you said is correct. I have always said that behind close doors, these politians are slapping each other on the back and talking about how they have all us snowed. They do not care about any of us. It is all about them and getting re-elected. It is all about power and control over the masses, pure and simple. The really sad thing is that a large percentage of the people in this country do not see it. They get caught up in the Democrat or Republican mantra. I know I have both sides in my family. No independent thought at all, just the party line.

So Koolmush
If you're going to blame the Repub congress for the recession (though the spit hit the fan after a dem House takeover) you must give the Repub congress credit for Clinton's faux surplus. Get your head out of your biased behind. Both parties are full of crooks, including the messiah

Don Juan
offers, " It seems counter-intuitive, but the only
free market is a properly regulated one.'

It's not counter-intuitive Don, it is Orwellian. You are correct that efficient markets require wide dissemination of information. That was one of the points made by Stossel. Now, the information goes to regulatory agencies where is waits for a bureaucrat to finish their three hour lunch and maybe, just maybe, get around to looking at the information before the next election cycle. Regulators do their jobs in a reasonable competent manner. It is just that that manner is still insufficient and hiring more will not make it any better. You guys just don't get it and probably never will. In government you trust. If only there were more regulators. If only we had a democratic president and congress to manage them. If only pigs had wings.

Regardless of who is worse...
Someday, I pray that you Republican and Democratic party zealots finally grasp the idea that our esteemed elected officials are more in collusion than not. They are all being paid by the same special interests and they have no interest in opening the doors to their hallowed halls. Pi$$ing over whether it is the fault of a democrat or a republican is a waste of time. They are both complicit. There are clearly differences, but the "end game" is essentially the same.

Koolmuse...
A wise home buyer will inspect a home before signing a contract and will also hire an independent home inspector. You are confusing a government assessor who is establishing your tax liability as a home owner or a banking assessor who is looking out for the interest of the bank who is making the loan with your own self interest as a home buyer.

You did make one good post today when you indicated a lack of sympathy for the investors duped by Madoff. The government shouldn't have restricted anybody from investing with him. However, investors should have gone in with eyes wide open. If he lied or defrauded his investors about the nature of the investments, then he should be held accountable. But if he was open and truthful about the investments and people knowingly entered into the Ponzi scheme hoping to make a quick and easy buck, then I don't have any sympathy either. There is a world of difference between knowing the risks of an investment and understanding the risks. I suspect some, if not all Madoff's investors were misled if not outright defrauded. In that case he would be totally culpable and responsible.

Hitchhiker
Triple, no Quadruple, no wait just start adding exponents to our current regulations, hire a bunch of super bureaucrats, and then elect a man king that is completely scandal free with our best interests at heart. --Hitchhiker--


Maybe a trillion new regulators?

Kool Muse--VETO????, VETO???
Did you say veto? That is really rich. What veto? He lost that pen until one time a few months ago. What SPECIFICALLY, have ANY of your heroes opposed? Other than the usual military expenditures that all of you guys reflexively fall back on? You won't find much spending that your side did not pile the damn pork on. Yes, he spent us into oblivion, but not as much as your Messiah will.

BTW, filibusters DO work. I assume your side is well versed in the machinations of that available political measure.

Makes investing like buying a house.
When you buy a home, you hire your own private assessor -- you don't take the government assessment or the owner's assessment of the home for granted. Stossel's right, as usual. And if some enterprising person set up a website for people to post their own warnings, individual private assessments can be examined in aggregate to provide a much more complete picture of the risks involved than the government could ever provide by itself.

great insight
What great insight! I see parallels in every aspect of our lives, where we depend on government intervention. As another example, 97% of the homes in our area burned to the ground through a forest fire 5 years ago. Firefighters were present, and heroic, but could not replace the vigilance required by homeowners prior to the fire's onset. To generalize, homeowners for their part, didn't feel the need to remove brush from the vicinity of their homes - because the fire department would protect them in the case of a fire. In one sense they were correct; between the fire department and the police department, everyone was safely evacuated from their home, before the homes burned to the ground. We will all be safer - from ll kinds of disasters - if we work to protect ourselves. No government entity will ever be able to provide the kinds of safeguards each of us really wants; it just charges us a lot to provide a mediocre stopgap.

John Stossel
writes, "The logic of regulation would require that super bureaucrats be appointed to watch over the regulatory agencies.

But who will watch over them."

That's easy. Barack Obama. We got this all figured out. Regulate everything. Triple, no Quadruple, no wait just start adding exponents to our current regulations, hire a bunch of super bureaucrats, and then elect a man king that is completely scandal free with our best interests at heart. I know that sounds difficult given history and all but, with the combination of being a democrat and some African ancestry, we cannot go wrong.

RE: Bush & GOP Caused Economic Crash
Why don't you people want to put the blame where it rightly and correctly belongs.
--Koolmuse 10:31 am--

------------------------------------------------
I'll bet that 90% of the people here would be more than happy to give 50-75% blame to GWB if ANY of you lib trolls had the decency to accept that your political party is absolutely corrupt.

If you will accept no blame for the Franks, Dodds Rangels, Clintons, Schumers et al, maybe you can point to some instances where they proposed any cuts in spending or any objections to bills that they gladly passed for the liberal president's signature?

Regulatory Truth
Without exception, at every level of government, the regulated have the closest relationships with the regulators. That's why lobbiest for the regulated provide high dollar golf outings, hunting trips, dinners, resort meetings, etc for the regulators. Soon they're best friends on a social level as well. The result is seldom in the publics best interest.

Made Off is Remanded
to his 7 million dollar penthouse. This is a corrupt judge and the media does not care. We are totally screwed as a nation with our Pravda press.

Why don't we do away with traffic laws?
Of course a certain number of people would drive on the wrong side of the road, drive drunk, etc. But they would kill themselves off soon enough. It's true that innocent people will die, but, hey, freedom isn't free.

All or nothing!
Extreemes are ALWAYS wrong in the long view.
Regulation without serious penalties deter only the honest. The more serious the penalties the more are detered.
Those in Congress who were supposed to oversee the regulators should get the heaviest penalties. I suggest 30 years hard labor with no chance for parole.
For the regulators themselves I suggest 20 years hard labor with no parole.
Just because they didn't use a gun doesn't mean they're hands don't have blood on them.

Government Monopoly Schools
Our socialist (government owned) schools must be teaching that fascism (invasive government control of privately owned entities) is a good solution. We desperately need vouchers to break the government monopoly in education and indoctrination. The problem is that private ownership of schools will bring fascist regulations of schools too, and that may not be better than the socialist ones we have now.

I believe it was Charles Darwin who never said, "Government schools are not the fittest and need a monopoly in order to survive."

rdk
Good idea.

Also, FAT CHANCE. We're talking GOVERNMENT here.

Medicare & Greed
My bad when earlier I Mistyped about FDR creating medicare...but my intent was honest therefore the error should be ignored! ;-) being liberal is fun! ;-) Now to Greed. It is a misused word. Most on the left try to replace "self-interst" with "Greed" to make it sound bad. People will, under normal circumstances work in their own self-interest. That is human nature and can't be stopped. It is what drives a person to start his own company or invent something society "needs". Greed does not occur as much as leftists would like us to believe...and who decides when self-interst decends into greed? Heed the lesson of Gordon Gecko!

Excellent Article!
Just as when a gun is used to kill someone, there will always be those that demand more gun control as if the gun committed the crime. Neither the Market nor Hedgefunds committed a crime.

A single human predator created this crime and no amount of regulation of any instrument will prevent a predator from taking advantage of unsuspecting or gullible others. The best we can do is report suspect activity and rely on our policemen to follow up.

In this case, our policemen (regulators) were notified and they failed to follow up with due diligence. Someone should be fired and drummed out of the agency designed to police such activities. Their peers will get the message.

Another appraoch
Induce competency among the regulatory agencies. Praise them when they are correct and fine them or fire them individually when they make errors.

Todays Government
Is the reason why America needs more Libertarians...De-regulate, allow the free market to be a free market, and cut the Fat in D.C. Republicans have become promoters of big Gov. Democrats have always supported big Gov. Libertarians are the only political party that actually want to decrease the size of Gov by cutting programs that do not work.

Control theory...
Feedback control is like driving with only a rear view mirror and no front windshield. Since we can't see the future, model-based control is the only way you can have a forward looking view, but it is poor without good models. There is no way to accurately model 300 million plus people participating in the American economy, let alone the world economy. Some aspects of the economy are self-regulating, but some are not. Improperly tune either with bad regulations and you will increase instability and the chances of a catastrophic runaway response. Congress is like the amateur control technician who can't refrain from retuning the controls at the first sign of a deviation from target and does more harm by retuning than just letting the controls work.

Dead on
Good people need very little regulating and you really can't regulate bad people at all.

regulation?
Is regulation the same as enforcement of criminal laws(when it comes to economics)?

In control theory, to regulate something means to damp out (essentially ) the fast response times. The economy and financial market are complex systems, highly nonlinear (as anything involving human behavior) , with impulses being applied randomly. Regulation may constrain it, but will also reduce the desireable outcomes.

I agree with Stossell.

Social Security
Why can't Madoff and everyone else just be nice and agree that the only entity allowed to run a Ponzi Scheme is the Imperial government.

tedmug...
Excellent post. Any study of regulatory history shows that many if not most regulations are put in place to protect the current people serving the market, not the people receiving the services. Most regulations stymie competition, which Mr. Stossel noted is the best way to establish market discipline.

How dumb can you get?
"Notice the disconnect. Regulation failed, so we need more regulation." and "Of course, when a regulatory agency fails, the usual response is to make it bigger, not abolish it. Economist Robert Murphy notes, 'In the private sector, when a firm fails, it ceases operations.' The opposite happens in government. There is literally nothing a government agency could do that would make the talking heads on the Sunday shows ask, 'Should we just abolish this agency?"

How dumb can you get - Congress especially Dumbocrats but also many Republicans?

It's no different than Immigration
We have LEGAL IMMIGRATION LAWS that aren't enforced yet the Liberals cry "WE NEED TO FIX IMMIGRATION"..Yup..just try enforcing the laws on the books and it's fixed..same with the Ponzi Scheme..if they'd been doing their job..Maddoff wouldn't have Made off with People's money..pure and simple..but NOOOOOOOO..no congress person believes in anything simple..they have to complicate everything

The relationship
to government and the morality of the people is an inverse relationship.

Greater morality in the people means less need and demand for government, less morality in the people means greater need and demand for government.

People make the choice not the government but God sets the rules.

'Governing powers are instituted by God' and set up to thwart a careless and reckless attitude toward morality in people.

J. Howard
Throwing out the baby with the bath water. You jumped from no regulation to no laws without blinking an eye. Laws against theft by any means are on the books and should be prosecuted. Removing regulators would not remove these laws. Thank you.

Why is freedom so scary?
As usual, J. Stossel has exposed the myth underlying virtually all governmental controls: they worsen the problem they allegedly are designed to solve. Unfortunately, those who wish to control others -- today, leftists posing as saviors of the common man -- tap into the widespread fear that freedom somehow gives nefarious schemes and evil people an advantage over honest, good folks. Yes, freedom imposes certain demands upon everyone: the need to be educated, alert, responsible. These demands are threatening only to those who prefer to be ignorant, uninformed, and lazy.

Stossel for anarchy?
The call for no regulation is absurd. We need laws of conduct on which all people can rely. Failure to enforce laws currently on the books is our problem. Stossel is normally right on. This time he blew it big time.

Greed is OK?
Why no mention of the investor's greed. A return of 8 to 12 percent over the period should have alarmed at least some of the "investors". Wasn't there at least one "investor" that tried to divest? Ponzi schemes are based on excessive greed as well as gullibility.

Education is working
For decades students have been taught how great FDR was. He saved the country. He got us out of the depression. Big government works.

Of course FDR's New Deal was a complete failure causing millions to suffer for a decade.

Now, Obama is primed for the Big Deal, another big government push.

How to Build a Better Anthill
Say you're a queen ant and you need an anthill built for your colony. Do you hire a Phd entymologist or a few hundred worker ants?

If you live and work inside the Beltway, you answer "entymologist". After all, they've been studying insects for years and have undoubtedly seen the best anthills in the world. Moreover, they're big hands can move earth far more effectively than a few hundred ants can.

That's how Washington views the economy. An economy can't run on hundreds of millions of people making disparate decisions--we need the well-educated elite to make the decisions for them.

Failure Is What Government Wants
Without failure there is no reason to expand the scope of government interference in our lives. Far from doing what they promise government regulators are keen on letting bad things happen as a way to justify more government. A 50 billion dollar scam should have gotten a bunch at the SEC fired but will instead mean an increase in employment there.

We are being scammed by the largest criminal enterprise on the planet, the US government. Eventually we will get the torches and pitchforks and go inside the Beltway to clean house. Until then we will continue to be taken by a group that makes the Mafia look like Boy Scouts.

Reliance on regulation
My analogy for regulation is the use of a backbelt when lifting heaving items. It creates a dependance on an external device that relieves the user from using proper technique when lifting. The problem comes when that same person goes to lift a seemingly inconsequential item without the belt that results in injury.

Repercussions once again
Repercussions from FDR's alphabet soup agencies strike once again...His heavily (at the time) supported NEW DEAL has once again proved it was a RAW DEAL !!
The more Government expands the more the American people feel it's choking effects. The proverbial rock and hardplace.
Freeing up markets will create jobs,competition and tax money what's so hard to figure out is my question.

Yet the legislative and executive branches are as a majority LAWYERS and what do lawyers do...make laws...The American people who have more common sense have failed in the fact we keep electing them.
All we can do for now is pay the piper and in 2010 say no more lawyers more people with common sense.
That will stop or slow the repercussions of more laws and alphabet soup scalding.

LAWS
What is the purpose of the LAW?

To enforce it.

Otherwise why have it. If the speed limit is 25mph and officers turn their backs, never stop or ticket anyone. Guess what, we can all drive at a higher rate because the law is not enforced. Quickly an attitude develops why fear the law since there is no consequences. Having laws and regulations means little unless they are enforced.

Medicare not a creation of FDR
Medicare is a social insurance program administered by the United States government, providing health insurance coverage to people who are aged 65 and over, or who meet other special criteria. Medicare operates as a single-payer health care system.[1] It was originally signed into law on July 30, 1965, by President Lyndon B. Johnson as amendments to Social Security legislation.

The Truth Hurts
Well it is really no wonder the SEC wasn't up to the job of "protecting" the investor, it is a creation of FDR. I have noticed that virtually every program that that the FDR administration has begun to fall apart under its own weight. Social Security is dying and killing America, Medicare - crash & burn. Every thing he did prolonged the economic slide and now Obama wants to emulate him? what is that old saying about reliving the past? here we are deja vu all over again!

Victims of Madoff

Victim after victim has been interviewed by the news media and all have said the same thing. "We thought the regulators were looking out for us."

Regulations work fine after the fact not before.

We simply can not hire enough regulators to oversea every aspect of every little thing going on in the United States.

This reminds of of our Foster Care System. We have a handful of case workers looking out for thousands of kids then we get angry when they are unable to do their job and some kid gets hurt.

Liberals just put too much faith in governemnt.

The American people
at least the half that elected O and the 9% majority have forgotten or don't care what it means to be a free man or woman with the civic duty to hold their elected officials accountable. Instead they re elect the same thugs year in and year out and now they are so arrogant and secure they don't find it necessary to answer to the people. One reason is that education has been twisted so that
the kids haven't been taught about being a citizen of a representative Republic. Another is that the church has been muzzled out of fear of the IRS.. prior to the Revolution the people were taught for years leading to the Great Awakening, and they were taught their civic duty as Christians by the preachers. When God was expelled from school it was the beginning of his expulsion from the American culture and now we have a people that mistake license for liberty and expect to have cradle to grave comfort from Uncle Sam. We have lost our way,
lost our grit with some exceptions and we have
a large majority from both parties that have such contempt for honest government the will lie, cheat and steal from the citizens to pay off their special interests and ensure life time jobs with golden perks while we slave to pay and pay and pay with taxes piled upon taxes.
Big Deal, Madoff is a crook, who isn't these days that manuever through the halls of government? Cicero was soooo right and his
remarks are still up to date.

Read Greenspan's Essay on integrity
The Madoff scheme is a perfect example of how regulation destroys integrity. Since regulation promises that it can assure integrity, it erases, in the eyes of the consumer, the distinction between those who have it and those who don't. Absent regulation, businesses must work hard over a long period of time to establish their reputations. Once established, they must maintain those reputations. The only way they can do that is by consistently DELIVERING top quality products and services - by delivering, essentially, on their promises. Those that are able to do this justly attract the greatest number of customers.

As an aside, how come no one points out that Madoff did exactly what social security does! Pays off older "investors" with the contributions of current "investors"?

Government, Ugh
A sad sight is that for about 40 years the government education system has brainwashed students into thinking that failure isn't their fault and big brother has all the answers with their "experts". Now you have government in almost every part of our lives and people just say that it is best because they are "experts" or looking out for your best interest. I am in the education system and students know that I will hold them accountable with no exceptions. I find that it is necessary to take away the pacifier and the airbag because they were too unintelligent to buckle up.
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