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Wednesday, November 19, 2008
John Stossel :: Townhall.com Columnist
Government "Fixes" Slow Recovery
by John Stossel
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Is the stock market trying to tell us something? It seems like every time Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson goes on TV, stock prices drop.

I can see why. Businesses would be reckless if they made investments that might lead to recovery when they have no idea day to day what Paulson or his successor might come up with next.

By my count, Paulson is now on his third plan for how to spend the pile of cash Congress gave him.

First he was going to buy "toxic" mortgage-based assets from banks.

A few days later, taking his lead from the Europeans, Paulson decided that some of the money should be used to buy stock in banks, both healthy and ailing. Let's put this plainly: The Treasury, on its own initiative, decided to partially nationalize the nine largest banks and many smaller ones. They would be given no choice in the matter on the logic that voluntary participation would stigmatize the participants. Direct big-business socialism had come to America.

Now Paulson says he doesn't want to buy the toxic assets from the banks.

Huh? What about the dire warnings that unless TARP (the Troubled Asset Relief Program) was passed our very civilization was at risk? What about all those congressmen who were lambasted as know-nothings for voting against the first bailout bill?

Well, as Emily Litella used to say on "Saturday Night Live," "Never mind."

Paulson changed gears because the original plan wasn't getting banks to lend as intended. "Our assessment at this time is that this is not the most effective way to use TARP funds," Paulson said.

So last week he decided to target consumers. The consumer-credit market "is currently in distress. ... [N]ew issue activity has come to a halt," Paulson said. (Then why am I still getting credit-card offers in the mail?)

Then on Monday he scrapped that idea, too, and said he probably wouldn't do anything with the money. He'll leave the problem to the next administration.

Adding to the uncertainty is that some members of Congress want Paulson to lavish even more of your money on the Big Three auto companies beyond the $25 billion already promised. If President Bush vetoes that bailout, they say the Democrats will just do it after he leaves.

All this lurching from one plan to the next impedes recovery.

Why would a bank revalue its dubious assets to 50 cents on the dollar when Paulson might have paid 90 cents? Why would a firm renegotiate with its creditors if the Treasury might offer a better deal?

"Changing the rules in the middle of the game [has] thrown the market into a tizzy," said Art Hogan, chief market strategist at Jefferies & Co..

Even some congressmen are asking good questions. "Where does this stop? We started with financial services, we went from banks to insurance companies. Does it end with manufacturing? What about retail?" asked Rep. Spencer Bachus of Alabama, ranking Republican member of the House Financial Services Committee.

The uncertainty, with all its recovery-squashing consequences, has an eerie precedent: the Great Depression. Today's problems are nowhere close to the 1930s, with its 25 percent unemployment and rapidly shrinking GDP. In one respect, however, there is a similarity: the way that Franklin Roosevelt's administration created what economic historian Robert Higgs calls "regime uncertainty." Higgs writes:

"[T]he economy remained in the Depression as late as 1940, because private investment had never recovered. ... [T]he insufficiency of private investment from 1935 through 1940 reflected a pervasive uncertainty among investors about the security of their property rights in their capital and its prospective returns. This uncertainty arose, especially, though not exclusively, from the character of federal government actions and the nature of the Roosevelt administration during the so-called Second New Deal from 1935 to 1940. ... [T]he willingness of businesspeople to invest requires a sufficiently healthy state of 'business confidence,' and the Second New Deal ravaged the requisite confidence. ... "

As usual, government's stumbling, bureaucratic "solutions" exacerbate problems that free people, allowed to pursue their own self-interest, would address on their own. We'd still suffer some tough times -- it's painful when bubbles pop -- but recovery comes sooner when businesses must quickly fix their own mistakes -- or die.

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Paulson is running
A criminal organization.
FACT
The US Treasury has been taken over by crime bosses.
Too harsh?
Ha
Its a fact

Bankers at the top are the most corrupt people on God's planet earth.

America has been scammed for many years as these criminals of the Federal reserve banking System has stolen the riches of America, and the stupid politicians they own have helped them do it, all by the so called legal system.
They have made the laws despicable and are corrupt as sin

The Oct. surprise that keeps giving
The uncovering of the mortgage "crisis" was timed to benefit the democrats in the Nov. election. What they didn’t count on is that it has taken a life of it’s own and now traveled around the world. B. Frank, C. Dodd and their buddies should be real proud of themselves.

A two trillion dollar loan
I hear the FedResv loaned someone $2 trillion and won't tell anyone who it was. Anybody know?

Why is Treasury & Federal Reserve

Why is Treasury & Federal Reserve involved in the first place?

They didn't cause the mortgage collasp, congress did by demanding banks give loans to people who could not pay them back.

Paulson should be telling the liberals in congress, "you broke it, you fix it".

Real Con from CA
No I am sorry but the economic collasp was by Liberals. You are free to remain in denial if you so choose.

Liberals oppose Bush's energy bill for the past 8 years which resulted in high energy prices which emptied people's pockets real quick trying to get back and forth to work. Many could not afford to pay food, transportation and mortgages at the same time. All because energy prices.

Then we have the Liberals in congress who demanded Banks lend money to people with no down payment, no security, and no ability to pay back their loans.

No regulation or de-regulation caused or could have prevented this problem other than a regulation that prevented banks from lending to people without 20% down payment which Liberals oppose.

Thats a fact jack! Deal with it.

Only the dems
Only the dems with the help of the MSM would have the audacity to create a system where people (mostly minorities because to oppose anything to do with minorities would result in you being labeled a racist!) could get mortgages they had no real expectation of paying back and then years later blame the whole thing on Republicans and Bush economics. One has to admire such creativity. To the best of my knowledge, Bush wasn't in charge when Jimma Carter and Bubba Clinton created all this mess. Now to the dems defense, Bush was in office the whole time B. Frank, C. Dodd, M. Waters and all the other were attacking the regulators and Republicans like J. McCain that were sounding the warning bell to Fannie Mae's and Freddie Mac's inevitable collapse. Yeah, "8 years of failed Bush economics" my ---!

BTW wasn't B. Obama's best financial year, the year he made $1.6 million, during those "failed Bush economic years"?

short changed
Wall Street as usual picked the pockets of the Fed's before they knew what hit them.

Still to their credit in typical Republican fashion Paulson and Co. may truly have prevented all sorts of problems of which we are unaware and for which they will never get credit.

Time to steal a page from Dem's playbook. Let things go wrong even if you must cause them or invent thme so you can give yourself a very public pat on the back for fixing them later.

Nothing Works For Long.
Just a quick recap. The Roman Empire tried everything -- mortgage bailouts, interest forgivness, free food for anyone in need -- you name it, they tried it. As a last gasp, they even invented lawyers.

Oh, and a note to our youth, the Romans found hedonism didn't work either.

So, I don't see how some here can be so sure of themselves, as to what to do now.

But, humans are still here. Yes, we're still here. It's quite a drama.

Stupid from the start
The bailout plan was ill-conceived from the start. I doubt it has had any positive effect. If Bush was smart, he would have left the Democrats to fix everything. That would have been fun to watch.

Meanwhile, baby boomers' retirements are being hung out to dry again. I hope you youngsters aren't planning to find a job soon, because the boomers will be working until they are 80 or dead, whichever comes first.

No Free Lunch
We never realize that economics is just one part of the real physical world. We don't expect the nature of gravity and light to change because a "Department of Physics" now has jurisdiction over them.

Honest, can't happen, even if it would be good for women and minorities.

Ranger29
Actually it was a comprehensive plan. It included more drilling, more solar, more wind and other alternative energy research.

The fact that you don't know any of this says more about how well informed you were when you went into the voting booth.

Some sage advice...
Lawyers make quarrelers like
Usurers make beggars.


While the hopelessly uneducated...
...complain that "market makers" are out "fleecing the average guy", the economic fgundamentals are proceding as they always have. The markets (including the liquidity markets) are reacting to wrong-headed Fed policy and investors are reacting to the same sort of uncertainty that fed the "Roosevelt Recession" of 1937-1938 when FDR arbitrarily changed the price of gold on nearly a daily basis and came up with another anti-business or economically disastrous program almost as frequently.

Now, Paulson testifies every other day, changing his mind and looking less articulate with each appearance while pushing a bailout whose effectiveness is, by definition, economically impossible. It is the economic illiterate (those who think everyone on Wall Street is "slime", those who believe that government economic management is a success, Obama supporterd) that are helping to make things worse.

Instead of erecting...
...statues to people like Franklin Roosevelt,we should erect a statue to Adolph Hitler.After all,it was Hitler who got us out of the depression.He opened up our steel mills,auto factories,weapons manufacturers,ship builders,etc.,so that we could supply the free countrys of Europe.

simply solution
We need to get back to CAPITALISM. We may just do that in 4 years.

Paulson's non-plan
This appears to be a case of our Treasury illuminati throwing mud against the wall to see what will stick. You know the commercial showing the NFL commentators (Bradshaw, Long, etc.) "testifying" about global warming before a congressional committee? Maybe we should just send those guys to D.C. to come up with a plan. At least they'd know how to make that mud stick.

KEN AND MR. BURNS ARE RIGHT
This financial crises should publicly be placed
on the shoulders of the Democrats and I was disappointed that the McCain campaign did not us that fact more during the election. I was in middle management of a mortgage company starting in 1998 when several of us in this company saw it coming. Loans going out to unqualified buyers, Adjustable Rate Mortgages are sold on the premise that the value of the house will increase or the borrower's income will increase by the time the ARM loan's rates are increased resulting in a higher mortgage payments. Any of us who had been in the business over 20 years knew these loans were high risks because Real Estate Values can not go up forever, nor are jobs guaranteed. We wondered what the big guns in the mortgage business were thinking at that time. Now we know, just like Obama and his give away programs, build the economy from the bottom up.
It doesn't work as we all now know. I was against the original bailout and I am against the auto bailout. Why should our tax money support these fat cats? Don't Americans have a say in our government any more? It doesn't seem that way does it? I am writing to the Texas congressmen and senators now, both paraties!

Liberalism the way forward
(CNNMoney.com) -- Massachusetts is the state best positioned for growth when the current economic turmoil recedes, according to the 2008 State New Economy Index released Tuesday.

Washington, Maryland, Delaware, New Jersey, Connecticut, Virginia, California, New York and Colorado rounded out the top ten.

The study, issued by the nonpartisan think tank Information Technology & Innovation Foundation (ITIF),measures how effectively states operate in order to compete nationally and globally.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/11/18/smallbusiness/state_economy _index.smb/index.htm?postversion=2008111815

John, great article, but you are not
convincing the economically illiterate as they are completely incapable of rational thought. It has been drummed out of them via the "publik edjukashun sistum" and the "Pravda/Tass" of the US, the NY Times. They are so drunk on koolaid that they get apoplectic at any rational argument that goes against the ingrained ideology.

Note
The states that are doing the worst economically and governed by the most liberal round out the top 10.

California's economic state is horrid.. do some googling on their state budget and lack of fiscal responsibility. New York, don't even get me started. Maryland? OMG>.. $1.2 Billion deficit on it's state budget...

I'm sure that operations is really "non partisan" just like CNN and MSNDNC.



Civilization at risk!
Well it is apparently still at risk. This time it is the Big Three survival plan, or lack thereof, that is the threat. One has to wonder if much of the panic has been self induced. In any case the panic is real and wise corrective action is required. If a wiser plan then becomes evident, a mid course correction is part of the wisdom.

BLUE STATE BLUES - KILL THE GOLDEN GOOSE

.....From my blog ..."Unions Part seven" ...

.....What the United Automobile Workers has done ...on the foundation of coercive interventionist labor legislation ...is bring a once great company to its knees. It has done this by a process of forcing one obligation after another upon the company ...while at the same time ...through its work rules ...featherbedding practices ...hostility to labor saving devices ...and outlandish pay scales ...doing everything in its power to make it impossible for the company to meet those obligations .....COLOSSUS

Odell Barnes
Turn Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac over to Odell Barnes. Financial crises averted - 'nuff said.

(See ABC Nightline 11/19/08 - you won't believe your ears!)

or
It is also possible that the stock market is responding to the flood of bad economic data that is the natural consequence of following economic policy closer to that favored by Stossel than is advisable. But maybe it is a problem that businesses don't want Paulson to respond to changing circumstances. That could be equally likely.

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.....If Conservatives want to take back our party and our country we need to organize now and plan ahead ...the time to get to work is now .....COLOSSUS

Maxine Waters
I was reflecting on her outrage this morning. Paulson should have replied, "Lady, you have been grossly negligent. First you supported and abetted lax lending standards that led to this mess. Second, while I have been working on this for a year, you still don't understand the first thing about it. I am surprised that you have not been evicted from Congress, and I hope you will be called up on charges by the ICC for all the hurt you have caused. Now what was your criticism?

FDR prolonged the Great Dep. by 10
years with his socialist experiments that have now given us a $59 trillion in unfunded Soc. Sec. obligation.

FDR had NO debt when he became pres. and NO deficit. He has helped create a nearly #13 trillion debt that is equal to the total US GNP for a year. Just servicing the debt is a huge annual expense.

New analysis has concluded FDR stopped the ec. from correcting itself through
1) depressing worker wages with now adored programs like the CCC and WPA;
2) oppressing businesses and earners with higher taxes;
3) limiting business development through extreme support of unions, like the 1938 Wagner Act;
4) putting stumbling blocks in front of financials and banks by tinkering with monetary policy.
The Big Bro O should consider (but as he has never led a Cub Scout troop, I doubt he'll pay any attention) that all kinds of *100 day* wonder experiments his cronies are blathering about are not going to be good for the ec.

The best result of any failures is maybe Reps. can pick up the Sen. by majority and even the House more in 2010.

We Have Voted to Repeat the 1930's.
Our politicians do what will get them elected.

President-elect Obama got elected on a platform of tax-the-rich, greater handouts, and more regulation. (Secondary notes were curb-trade, nationalize-healthcare, tax carbon consumption, and shrink the military.)

The American people (well, 52% of them) voted for all this. They also elected a Congress that will strongly support such policies.

The tax & regulatory proposals will strangle private investment in our economy. Particularly, high income families will cut their savings rate (read investment rate) in order to maintain their accustomed consumption.

While many unemployed will be pushed toward self-employment, starting a new business when no one will (can) invest in you is going to be tough. And such small businesses -- when funded to survivable levels -- presently account for roughly 85% of all new jobs.

Meanwhile, existing business will need to retool to meet the new environmental & regulatory standards. But again, there won't be much investment capital available. And if they can't meet the standards, they will have to move offshore to less-regulated locales or simply close their doors.

Repeating Smoot-Hawley, and shifting all healthcare to a VA Hospital model will simply deepen our national misery.

Thankfully, our retreat from the world stage will embolden the world's bad guys. So wars and warlike activities will increase. Until, at last, someone tries something we cannot ignore (the Lusitania? the WTC? Pearl Harbor?). Whereupon we are launched into World War III. Which, like the 1930's will finally get us out of the Obama Depresssion.

Then we'll have to hope our gutted military is still able to mount a substantive defense. More likely, after a decade of misery, our coastal cities will get fried.

But then, they're largely the ones who voted for this.

Depression did not end with WWII
With all due respect to the conventional wisdom, the Depression was NOT ended with WWII. WWII took all the unemployed young men and enslaved them in uniform. The "draft". The rest of the populace made bullets. The Depression was thereby transformed from an economy without jobs--therefore people had no money, but plenty of goods to buy if you had the money to one where everyone was "employed", had money but had no goods to buy. Neither is a functioning economy.

By the late 40's people were employed of their own free will--not conscripts-- and had money and goods to buy. The Depression was over--somewhere in 1948-1950. The stockmarket recovered in 1952, I think.

The Great Depression lasted for 20 years, plus or minus. 1929-1949. This time, I think it goes from 2009 until some time past the end of the US as we know it.

The $60,000 Truck
All I have ever heard, read, and studied about Wall Street is that peoples perceptions of the market really matter. So the market is clearly reacting to a perceived upcoming time of trouble.

As for the Big 3 automakers, their problems are easy to identify. Vehicles that cost more than ones annual salary are difficult to sell. Bloated union contracts for current and past workers have forced prices upward while their competition does the opposite. This all had to eventually come to a head. Is it more complicated than this?

Wrong decisions
We had the most successful model for wealth creation yet conceived. The passive fools voted out let it erode while the active lunatics voted in have as their intent its positive destruction, They intend to substitute policies enacted more than 50 years ago by the industrialized countries of Europe as they abdicated their rolls of world leading economic powers. Hopefully in two more we will have relearned that idiots in congress are not capable of regulating things the do not understand, The best "regulation" was and is that if you make bad decisions you learn through pain or go out of business whereas good decisions bring wealth and prosperity.

As Ross Perot
would say, Fannie Mae & Freddy Mac was one entitlement to damn many. We just entitled our selves over a cliff.

B Frank, C Dodd & H Obama engineered this economic destruction and the damn ignorant voters signed the suicide pack by voting these agents in.
I hope they are pleased!

The only way for us to rise now is to DELETE some entitlement programs & stop the "TAX THE RICH" B--lS--T!!

CALLING ALL QUASI-GOVERNMENT
RECALL THE FUNDING OF ALL QUASI-GOVERNMENT ENTITIES, PROHIBIT THE PRACTICE OF TAX-EXEMPTIONS, SHUT DOWN ALL SOURCES OF WELFARE AND ELIMINATE ALL GOVERNMENT FAITH BASED FUNDING. DOWNSIZE THE GOVERNMENT BY FIRST ELIMINATING ALL OUT DATED AGENCIES STARTING WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION.

John, You left Out the Word "YET."
"Today's problems are nowhere close to the 1930s, [YET],with its 25 percent unemployment and rapidly shrinking GDP."
The Great Depression was caused and unnecessarily prolonged by the same thing that caused our current economic woes, namely, GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION!
Government intervention in the economy is bad, including its bailouts of private companies that should ALL be allowed to be dealt with by the economic system, via private buyouts, mergers or bankrupcies.
Look, the point is that government intervention in the economy is bad and should be stopped and there is enough blame to go around for everyone in government and private industry.
Who knows, today or tomorrow may be the beginning of the end of the bear market. We could finally hit bottom soon and the lack of confidence that John talked about could be the final straw for investors, resulting in a capitulation in the markets. But, whenever that capitulation occurs, remember that it is just the beginning of our economic problems.
After all, the stock market crash of 1929 which began on a Thursday, Black Thursday (October 24, 1929), followed by the catastrophic downturn of Black Monday and Tuesday (October 28 and October 29, 1929) was a precursor to the events that would eventually be called The Great Depression.

Be Careful What You Ask For ...
Unions started as a beneficial thing - protecting workers, basic medical care, livable wages, job protection, etc.

Then, they got greedy. Auto workers union got powerful and began demanding more and more.

Wefare recipients - and dimmie-libs - began demanding/giving more and more.

Entitlements - once reserved for those who paid into the system (SSA, Medicare, etc) - were given to non-productive members of society (not to mention those illegally in the country).

Home ownership - once reserved for those who worked and could aford to make payments - was granted to anyone who wanted one (don't even mention illegal aliens).

Well, the welfarites, pols, various classes of bleeding hearts, etc, keep asking for and getting more and more. The Great Giveaway is unsustainable.

Anyone who thinks NJ is poised for any
progress at any time has been ossified or mummified in the last few years.

NJ is 3-1 Dem. registration. It elected Lautenberg when the Rob the Torch Torricelli was pulled for corruption a few years ago because NJ voters didn't know Lautenberg had already retired from the Sen. because he felt *too old.* He is now officially dead, but ran again in 2008 to great huzzahs.

The only thing odd about the 2008 election is that the Big Bro O didn't win by 75-25, as stats would suggest.

We have abortion for any reason for 12 year olds.
We elected a raving gay gov. who proceeded to install every Dem. hack able to respire in no-show no-work jobs that we'll be supporting with our wonderful patriotic tax system until doomsday.
We havent' had manufacturing since the Carter recession.
Our esteemed Senators who ride around in some of the limo services the nation pays $2.36 BILLION for a year have said no wind turbines or drilling will occur off the NJ coast.
Without illegal immigration NJ would have a net outflow of pop. south.

So we are poised exactly for what?

More decline, decay, and corruption? No, thanks, I gave at the office.

The Obummer recession
While it is still a "free market", the market is tanking because the new pres.-elect has only a few ideas and they are not good ones. The market is freaking because people are reacting right now with money that they have earned and would like to keep. Hey libs, that is human nature even if it drives you nuts! They are using their freedom, while it still exists, to exercise capital decisions. This is simple market forces at work and the decisions are to pull out before this rookie screws it up even worse with a combination of democrat tax and spend and GW Bush borrow and spend economics. It is a mess and he will make it worse with his bad ideas. If energy skyrockets with his horrid policies, we are looking at double digit inflation in 6-8 months. Batten down the hatches!


No more big government!
We have to demand strong and loud Conservative leadership who will stop this massive encroachment into our liberty:

http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/we-demand-true-conserva tive-leadership.html

Alan Keyes injury case against Obama
Alan Keyes has filed in Ca Supreme Court proving injury as a Presidential Candidate from Obama failing to prove he is a natural born citizen of US...is Petitioning a Stay of California's electoral votes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9qQv9UXc

Demand Obama PROVE US born citizenship
Act NOW: Demand Obama PROVE He's A US Natural Born Citizen!

Isn't arguing about "Obama's horrendous policies and cabinet picks" a little presumptuous? He's simply NOT QUALIFIED to be president and if the GOP were SMART they'd focus on this and ONLY THIS NOW UNTIL RESOLVED!

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gulliblility
It amazes me how many people think that there are smart people in government.

If an honest film on FDR and the Great Depression were created, it would have cast the 3 stooges and the Marx brothers as the main characters!

It was the sheer arrogance and stupidity of FDR that caused the great depression. If people realized that politicians are by nature useless, they wouldn't rely on them

But how do we cut back
on the size of government? The Republican party has shown a complete lack of willingness to do ANYTHING in this direction. Government must be downsized if we are to survive as a nation.

America is suffering
America is suffering unlawful deception from the Alinsky group.
Group u$urp$ power on January 20th—the constitution violated.
The United States Supreme Court alone can relieve this outrage.

example: Bogus Selective Service System FOIA Registration?
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/11/exclusive_d id_n.html
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