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Wednesday, October 22, 2008
John Stossel :: Townhall.com Columnist
Unappreciated Spontaneous Order
by John Stossel
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Avid supporters of John McCain and Barack Obama cannot wait until their man gets into office. They say things like: McCain "will bring peace and stability to the United States." Or that under Obama "our kids and our grandkids will have a better life."

But how can one man be expected to do such grand things? It's easy to think that complex problems require centrally planned solutions. But the opposite is true: The more complex a problem, the more centralized political decision-making is not the answer.

Try this thought experiment suggested by economist Daniel Klein of George Mason University. Imagine you had never seen a skating rink and were told that people were going to strap blades to their feet and propel themselves on the ice wherever they chose at whatever speed they could -- without a license and with no one directing traffic.

You'd say, "That's insane! We must have rules, signs and traffic cops, or skaters will smash into each other." But of course skating rinks demonstrate that there is another way to organize life: spontaneous order. Most of our economy works that way, and when government tries to micromanage that, it messes it up

I tested this theory for my ABC special "John Stossel's Political Incorrect Guide to Politics," by trying to centrally plan a skating rink. I stood on the ice and gave commands: "Turn right. Turn left! No backwards skating!"

It didn't work. People were falling down.

OK, maybe I don't know enough about skating. What if an Olympic gold medalist -- Brian Boitano -- took charge?

That didn't work either. Even the Olympian, with his vastly greater knowledge, couldn't make the skating better by directing it. People hated being bossed. They wouldn't listen.

"They want to do their own thing," Boitano said.

"It kinda ruins the fun of it," a woman skater said.

Much of life would be a drag if a leader directed everything. And fortunately, most of our lives are self-directed. Spontaneous order, not government, prevails. It's so commonplace we take it for granted.

Some people would say the skating rink works because it's small. When it's a big place like America, you need planning.

"The more complex the problem, the more planning you need," says Russell Roberts, author of "The Price of Everything." "But it's not planning at the top. It's planning from the bottom up."

At the rink it means the planning is done by individual skaters, who spontaneously coordinate with others. Each knows more than a central planner would know.

Spontaneous order is found in things far more complex than skating rinks. Language is useful, flexible -- and hair-raisingly complicated. No one constructed it. But when someone tried to build the perfect language, Esperanto, it flopped.

Communism was adopted by more countries than Esperanto, but it also failed because planners never could anticipate the myriad wants of different people. Russians spent hours a day in lines. Millions starved.

The only times we have shortages in America are after governments intrude, like when President Nixon appointed an energy czar to regulate gas prices, and this year, when some states' anti-"gouging" laws prevented gas stations from raising prices after storms.

Despite the repeated failure of central planning, the political class acts as if politicians can direct our lives. When there are problems, politicians will solve them. They're going to give us prosperity and cheap health care, fix education, lower gas prices, stop global warming and make us energy "independent."

And that's just the beginning. A speaker at the Republic convention said, "If you want to fight childhood obesity, then John is your man."

Who do people think these guys are?

"We actually think that some people can do magic," says David Boaz of the Cato Institute. "Voters would have to believe that every politician is some combination of Superman, Santa Claus and Mother Teresa. Superman because he can do anything. Santa Claus because he's going to give us things.

"It's kind of an instinctive reaction," says Boaz. "But a president can't fix all the problems in your life."

That's OK. Most of life works best when you are in charge.

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one problem...
As usual John Stossel makes a lot of sense (unlike all the other TH collumnists) BUT there is a fatal flaw here in the argument. Pure self organizing capitalism with no rules except enforceing contracts and stopping people from using physical force or threatening coercion (blackmail) leads to a fixed point: An entrenched oligarchy of monopolies robber barons and corrupt politicians on their pay roll. Noone mainstream enough to get elected to any level of government, even the most economically right wing including Newt Gingrich, Goldwater, Reagan, etc... ever proposed eliminating anti trust laws. so... given that there must be at least anti trust laws, hence capitalism does not work without SOME small government intervention and tweaking the rules it becomes a far less clean argument. Government control is necessary, its only a question of degree, the complete self organizing economy optimizing for everyones benefit is a fantasy of Randites and other extreme libertarians no less unrealistic than marxists.

Good message, but sloppy
Stossel wrote: "You'd say, "That's insane! We must have rules, signs and traffic cops, or skaters will smash into each other." But of course skating rinks demonstrate that there is another way to organize life: spontaneous order."

I agree with the points Stossel makes about the economy. Basically he's talking about Adam Smith's invisible hand. Everyone seeking his/her self-interest, engaging in voluntary transactions, provides valuable goods and services for each other.

Gov't should make basic rules, such as financial disclosure regulations and contract law, to keep market participants honest, but as Stossel wrote gov't should not try to "micromanage" the economy because it almost always causes harmful distortions. Central planners can never know as much information as millions of market participants do.

But Stossel's skating analogy is poor because it ignores the fact that the skaters are, in fact, following certain "rules, signs and traffic cops". Everyone knows they're not allowed to hurt or injure others. If they do, they could face legal trouble. Same if a skater destroys someone else's property. Many of the skaters no doubt follow some rules of etiquette, even when following those rules inconveniences them.

I also dislike the term "spontaneous order." None of the rules and enforcements I mentioned are spontaneous; they were developed over many years of human experience.

I don't mean to nitpick, but I can't just nod and act like the analogy is apt. Still, the points Stossel eventually makes are needed in our increasingly infantile society.

Robber Baron myths
Check out "Myths of the Robber Barons", by Burton Folsom. Decimates the stupid ideas about entrenched oligarchy of monoplies and robber barons. You'll never hear foolish arguments for anti-trust laws and "tweaking" capitalism.

Life
Spontaneous order is almost certainly how life itself started, constructed by no one.

Stuart

MORALS, GOVERNMENT AND ECONOMICS
The basic problem with all forms of government and economic systems is that they require a populace with a strong commitment to a supreme moral principle of virtue in order to work properly. Totalitarian communism in Russia ultimately failed because it could not supply this principle to its people.

As America deteriorates morally under the relentless pounding of influential communist moles in high places seeking to destroy our morals and our culture, we will observe our government and our economy gradually crumbling along with these two supremely important aspects of our national life. Historically, they must of necessity rise or fall together.

The moral apostasy of our culture should, therefore, be of immense concern to every patriotic American, even to the most committed secularists among us. If we do not reverse this process soon, we will loose our nation to some form of authoritarian communism that will execute all the "useful idiots" and many of the rest of us without the slightest doubt because we know that to be their stated plan.

Spontaneous order
I tend to agree with Stossel as amended by ColinCody. Man needs some basic form of moral compass. Without that moral compass, man is left to himself or government to provide the rules. History is full of the failures of man and government ruling without the ultimate guidance of a moral compass.

Outstanding Documentary
John Stossel, it was absolutely brilliant!

Made me realize I've got Libertarian blood flowing through these veins!

I have sent the URL out to many people who may have missed it, as a way of explaining my position on government, it really was the best piece on government I've ever seen.

Kudos!

Missed points
Understand, Stossel is not suggesting NO government, he is suggesting much smaller government.

Sure we need traffic laws, so we know who turns next.

Sure we need some anti-trust protections as well.

Capitalism can only really thrive when ethics and morals are in place, due to the incredible freedoms we have in this country.

The bailout was wrong - the market was attempting to adjust from all the bad loans that banks were forced to make. Now we still have a free market that has not adjusted, and no telling when that will happen.

Instead, we have the ones who made the mess, now in charge of distributing 700 Billion dollars, oh yeah, that's a good decision - what a waste.

As it stands now, we have FAR too many laws, far too much government intervention, far too much government in our lives.

Shocking video of Congress cover up!
Shocking video of Congressmen in their Own Words Covering Up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam That Caused Our Economic Crisis See Clinton placing the blame! Click on the link.
http://www.teleprompterpresident.com/2008/09/shocking-video .html
or google the phrase "Teleprompter Covering Up The Fannie Mae".

This wonderful video clearly explains how it all happened at:
http://www.teleprompterpresident.com/2008/10/fnc-fbn-inves- 6.html
or google the phrase "Teleprompter Covering Up The Fannie Mae".

Every American should know who caused our financial collapse which resulted in our 401ks and our home values to sink in value. We have been betrayed, not by the obvious greed of the banks, but by our congressmen who caused this to happen.

I have emailed these videos to everyone in my email address list. Spread this message!

NOPE! Communism is clearly the answer!
It's been an absolute unqualified failure for nearly 100 years, deadly beyond the imaginations of most horror picture aficionado's and yet here we stand, ready to repeat these same failed tests and re-learn lessons which we should have down pat by now. WHY?

Because the media wants it to be so. That is the entire reason. As you look for targets for your rage in the future, remember them and then read their latest concocted excuses and try to convince yourself that you are really reading and viewing the truth.

Regulated and deregulated industries
How many people despise the restaurant industry? What about the insurance industry? Which is more regulated?

How many people despise the clothing industry? What about the banking industry? Which is more regulated?

For those that are in favor of regulation, the industries that they despise the most are already the ones that are most regulated.

On a side note, Wednesday is the best column day at Townhall. Williams/Stossel or Stossel/Williams in 2012!

Commuters Slugging in Northern Virginia
One of the best examples of "spontaneous order" I've ever seen is the commuters who "slug" in Northern Virginia. There is a park and ride there where people who all work in the same area of DC go to carpool with total strangers. The cars line up and commuters needing a ride to work line up to get rides. Slugging enables commuters faster commutes because the cars use the HOV lanes. It's totally free and there are unspoken rules and etiquette to commuting this way. People take turns driving and riding. It's a fascinating study in sociology.

The best part of all of this? It's all voluntary and is totally unregulated by the government. It's bunch of human beings coming together for one goal and making it work w/o Big Brother worming his way in. How much do we see that these days?

Here's an article and video about it. http://hamptonroads.com/node/475041

Free to Choose
If you like what Stossel says here. Educate yourself further at http://miltonfriedman.blogspot.com.

Myth of antitrust
All the old trusts and cartels were failures - with the exception of those enforced by government power.

The anti-trust laws and the I.C.C. were largely put in place at the behest of the big railroad companies, where competition was so keen that many of them were operating at a loss. Under the pretext or reigning in "big business," they actually used the government to set up and enforce higher-than-market rates. Your public (government) school civic books parrot the big-government line.

skating rinks
I've never been in a rink, but are there not rules against skating against the flow? So to some extent we do rely on central planning. In our personal lives, this amounts to laws prohibiting certain acts and mandating others, like feeding and clothing your children. And in some cases, law (central planning) precedes consensus (spontaneous order), as I think the general consensus against driving while intoxicated came after the laws against it. I much prefer spontaneous order because coercion is ugly and ought to be used as little as possible, but the best exemplar of complete spontaneous order is total anarchy, and, though I can't speak for him, I doubt Mr. Stossel favors that. He did say "most."

Not helpful...
The president has little ability to make life better for the individual. Likewise, the congress can have little positive effect on the nation unless they confine themselves to just those powers granted to them in the constitution.

The usual effect of any administration or congressional action is a negative. Government is ill suited to managing anything in the private sector and is failing miserably with those things which are there responsibility.

Management by committee is the worst model available.

Excuse Me?
Time for a reality check here. John Stossel, yet another Town Hall graduate of Simplistic University, has gotten it wrong yet again. I mean, you have all heard of Social Security, right? How about the Interstate Highway System? Laws against toxic waste dumping, anyone? Are those things that the so-called Market created? And forget the lame ice-rink analogy; try driving to work without stop lights and speed limits sometime. Can't we all see at this point what deregulation has caused? And how is your 401K plan doing, Mr. Stossel. Oh wait, I forgot, you make millions from your 20/20 gig.

I think it is much too hard for Stossel to balance his ABC TV career and writing these columns; the proof is that this latest screed is lacking in basic logic and solid information.

Wow
If there were no options between communism and anarchy, this would be a very good argument.

Wrong, lemonfemale
If you have never been to a skating rink, why do you base your arguments on your lack of knowledge? Actually, many skating rinks do have rules posted -- by the skating rink owner (no food or drinks, be courteous, skate safely, etc.).

But I don't think I have ever seen a rule about skating in one direction. That happens spontaneously (i.e., spontaneous order). Even if that rule is posted, it would simply be as a result of spontaneous order already having established the rule.

The point is that many laws are passed to establish rules that either have already been established (or that are better dealt with) by spontaneous order -- usually by politicians trying to expand their power and to justify their onwn importance.

central planning
The replies are astonishing. Astonishing at how everyone wants to jump all over Stossel's analogy and then conclude that we need central planning because a skating rink is unlike real life. Forget the analogy, history has shown that central planning does not work. Lois mentions Social Security as if that is a great system. Then lumps that in with the Interstate Highway System. First and foremost, government is an entity that draws its power and therefore resources from the people. It exists to do things that the states or individuals cannot accomplish on their own. Interstate Highways are a good example of what the government was meant to do and it therefore does it well. Replacing personal planning for retirement with a government run system is not what the government was meant to do and it consequently does it poorly. Lois asks how one's 401k is doing and I would counter with the question of how your social security account is doing. Obama recently proposed allowing people to withdraw a portion of their 401k's with no penalty. Why do that? Why can't the government allow us to withdraw a portion of our social security accounts? Because they don't exist and are unfunded. If Social Security is supposed to be the shining example of central planning success, that should be enough to convince you of the folly of central planning.

WE NEED GLOBAL WARMING
The reason that so much of this planet has had drought for so many centuries is that we’ve been in an ice age, and the water needed for normal condensation has been frozen into glaciers. Glaciers are frozen water needed as condensation for barren and frozen lands of this planet, causing drought and flooding. When glaciers melt, some water runs into the oceans. Some water thaws the ground below where the glacier was, and soaks into the ground. Some water evaporates into the upper atmosphere where it becomes normal rainfall for the whole world.

The heat of the sun, clean air, and the absence of cold from glaciers and sea ice will cause more water to be evaporated from the oceans, lakes, and rivers into the upper atmosphere than there presently is; and the winds will blow it evenly around the world, providing normal rainfall world-wide, even where there presently is drought, and barren and frozen land, preventing flooding.

The worldwide rainfall will cause long-dormant seeds in barren lands to sprout and grow into new plants: The best kind of go green. The new plants will inhale carbon dioxide and exhale oxygen, which we breathe. There will be so many new plants, that we might have to increase the amount of carbon dioxide we generate, to provide enough for all of them

People want a king
The people of the USA has been brainwashed into believeing they need a King in or else their lives will be a total mess. This is mainly a result of government education - where the sole purpose it to indoctrinate students into believing that they can not function unless a government employee (a teacher) it there to oversee order (see John Taylor Gatto, the Underground History of American Education).
Most American's will tell you that "they" would follow order without intervention, but "most" other people would not. Therefore, they will follow the rules of Big Brother for the "safety" of everyone involved.
Even the person who posted about "toxic dumping". They have the idea that all business people are inherently evil and need the government to oversee them or that would rape and murder us all. They don't see that government is run by the same folks that run businesses
So, without regulation would there be anything we could do to stop a business from dumping toxix waste? Yes. You can handle the evils of business without the intervention of government. In fact, government limits your power as now business can simply dump up to the government appointed "safe" level and be free from reprocussions. They get in front of a micorphone and declare they were well within the legal limit as the government clearly pointed out.

Calling all conservatives!!
Calling all conservatives!!

Read this article here:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081022/pl_politico/14811
Then decide if you want to be part of a last minute effort to resurrect McCain’s campaign. Give any and all that you can to the American Issues Project at: http://www.americanissuesproject.org

It ain’t over till it’s over and I can’t stand the thought of Michelle O fist bumping Barry O with the tune of either Queen’s “We are the champions” or the Carpenter’s “We’ve only just begun” blaring in the background.

Give till it hurts …. the democrats, that is. If we generate a groundswell of support, I’m confident we can raise enough money to start airing some pertinent issue ads that will make a difference. Please help all you can!!

I personally don’t care for chain emails, but this a different situation to me. So, if you see fit and are so inclined, please copy and paste this information into an email and send it to all your conservative friends!

Tod Kozeluh
Lexington, KY

P.S. I’m not affiliated with this group in any way. I just read the story on Yahoo and felt I wanted to try to make a difference.

John Stossel
This is a very good point and a very good article! It is exactly the difference between communism and free markets.

Excuse me Lois, but
have you ever lived outside a large metro area?

"And forget the lame ice-rink analogy; try driving to work without stop lights and speed limits sometime." Until this past year when Mama and Daddy moved up north to live in a metro area, they lived in rural Alabama. There are no stop lights, no speed limits, no paving, no rules of any kind in rural Alabama -- or in very large swathes of the USA and Canada; yet people drive to the right and stop at corners when they see other traffic or have no sight line, and people drive according to the conditions at a speed at which they deem they will not be killed or fly off the road and crash. In 2005 there was a huge Northeastern Blackout that among other places blacked out the entire Downtown Toronto. Traffic flowed without stop lights, without speed limits and without a massive increase in deaths.

In fact, people walk on sidewalks, by and large, and on escalators, and up and down staircases every day without traffic cops and signal lights. Heck, we even share our sidewalks with bicycles, skateboards, rollerblades and people with huge rolling triple-wide baby carriage/cottages and aside from some acrimonious language, people survive.

Lois you need to get out more often.

Dig deeper
Was the skating rink built without a plan? Was it built in such a way as to encourage a good skating experience?

Good Article, John, The skating rink is
only partially correct as the rinks that I go to do have rules as to the direction on the outside of the rink. But, the interior, marked with cones, is the area for skaters attempting figure skating or hockey maneuvers and they definately spontaneously organize so as not to slam into each other.

The main points about regulation not having a clue as to where and when products or services are needed is spot on! Add the DMV and Post office to the list of over-regulated industries that are the least liked and you understand that regulators are woefully inadequate in their ability to manage a complex problem.

Dig Deeper
There was indeed a plan to the skating rink. It was planned to operate well, to allow skaters to enjoy skating freely, but in such a way as to minimize injury to the skaters. Good question.

The U.S. Constitution was carefully planned. The plan was to give maximum freedom to the citizens, but enough form and order to minimize injury to the citizens. There needs to be a balance of freedom and order.

We have already shifted far to the extreme of too much order and too little freedom. As a case in point, the Kelo v. New London decision recently ruled that a government could take property away from a private citizen not only for public "use" (typically meaning utilities or roads) but even for public "benefit" (typically meaning anything granting more tax revenue to that government), thus weakening the freedom of the right to own and hold property.

Our income taxes, which began at about 1% or less, now are so much higher (probably 25-35%) that we pay for far more government "order", and consequently have less freedom to direct our earnings as we see fit. Again, this is a specific example of the shift toward more order and less freedom.

No matter how well the skating rink is designed, if the policeman steps in the center and starts telling everyone how to skate, not only will there be more accidents, but the skaters will grow weary and go home. In the U.S., it may not take much more order-over-freedom decisions before the entrepreneurs and hard workers grow weary and stop trying.

At one extreme we have anarchy. At another extreme we have totalitariansim. In the middle, we have capitalism and a free republic. At present, we lean too far toward totalitarianism. We need to straighten up.

John Stossel another good article
and Lois another dumb post.

Stossel doesn't skate!
My wife and I skate, and I have two figure-skating daughters. I have never been at an ice rink that didn't have (a) posted signs about which way skaters can go as they move around the rink, as well as othe rules. Examples: no playing hockey during "public ice" (skater-talk)and (b) someone who works for the rink watching to make sure that no one does anything to endanger other skaters, including 'rough-housing.' And yes, I have seen kids ejected from a rink for violating the rules. So much for "spontaneous order" at the ice rink.

Stossel blurs the distinction between order that is embodied in and maintained by rules-with some enforcement process--and enforcer, on the one hand, and total control on the other hand. This is an old dodge for free market ideologues. They set up a false opposition between spontaneous order and some sort of dictatorship, and try to persuade us (usually succeeding with conservatives) that we face an either/or choice between "capitalism"/the "market" or a Soviet-style command economy.

We liberals know the difference.

The concept of spontaneous order is a fancy way of talking about Adam Smith's "invisible hand," but please remember that Adam Smith also proposed such anti-capitalist policies as universal free public education, the government as employer of last resort, and government inolvement in infrastructure development.




Esperanto
LANGUAGE IS USEFUL, FLEXIBLE - AND HAIR-RAISINGLY COMPLICATED. NO ONE CONSTRUCTED IT. BUT WHEN SOMEONE TRIED TO BUILD THE PERFECT LANGUAGE, ESPERANTO, IT FLOPPED.

Esperanto is a great illustration of the principle of spontaneous order - but not for the reasons you think.

True, Esperanto was constructed - in the beginning. However, its creator realized exactly the point you make: a language flows from the millions of decisions made by a community speakers. So, he set it free - relinquished all claims, with only a small unchangeable core for stability. From then on, it evolved to become a complete living language spoken by some 2,000,000 people.

Another constructed language, Volapük, fared differently. It had an initial following, but it was complex and its creator would not give up control. When Esperanto came along, people defected. Today, only a handful speak Volapük.

Esperanto was not meant to be perfect, but practical. Its creator struck upon a workable combination of ease, flexibility, aesthetics and richness; the community smoothed out the wrinkles and filled in the gaps. The final result is a rich, expressive yet easy-to-learn language.

Is Esperanto a flop? That depends on your definition. Esperanto was designed as a low-cost, effective SECOND language between people everywhere of different languages. It is several times easier to learn than other languages, even English; it is used daily in every facet of life, with the same quality as other languages; and most speakers are second-language users. In some ways, it has succeeded. However, relatively few people speak it. With no official support, it continues to grow, and could eventually reach its goal, but it's really too early to tell if it has failed.

For more information, check http://www.esperanto.net/info/index_en.html. If you're REALLY curious, http://www.cursodeesperanto.com.br has a good beginner's multimedia course.

OBAMA, IT CAN NOT BE DONE
MANY HAVE TRIED NO ONE HAVE SUCCEEDED TO BRING THIS NATION TOGETHER. THE OBAMA NATION IS IMPRESSIVE WHENYOU THINK ABOUT IT: KKK, ARYAN NATION, LA RAZA, ACORN, NAACP, AFRO-CENTRIST, GAY COALITION, DRUG PROPONENTS, PROSTITUTION COALITION, AND OTHERS WITH IMMORALY UNETHICAL AGENDAS OF VICTIM OF SOCIETY SYNDROME.

Actually ..
I'm not looking for someone to do anything other than to protect and defend the constitution. Generally, the only thing I want most other people to do is go away and leave me alone. I like to pick my company!

Let Nature Take It's Course
There shouldn't be an alternative to this old saying. But there was when we did this stupid bailout.

Stossel is right, but incomplete.

Stossel should have explained why airplanes will crash into each other at an airport without a "central" control tower or why road signs and lights at intersections are necessary for regulating automobile traffic but not ice skaters.

The ice rink analogy is effective in explaining the fallacy of trying to control complex systems that cannot even be adequately understood but he stopped short of providing a complete explanation of the problem.

Stossel needs to help people know how to tell the difference between a complex system that cannot be controlled and a complicated system that CAN be understood and controlled to some known extent.

For instance, most people do not understand the money supply. It is a complicated system but it can be understood and it can be controlled to a very significant extent. In fact, if it is not controlled by "central" planning to a certain degree, things will go very wrong.

Many people for instance have incorrectly said that the current sub-prime mortgage "crisis" needs no action taken by the federal government. Such a statement shows abject ignorance. Though it may be true that government control precipitated the mess, it cannot be simply ignored.

tahssard
"An entrenched oligarchy of monopolies robber barons and corrupt politicians on their pay roll."

I disagree. A truly free market doesn't lend itself to monopolies. the only time monopoly poower comes into play is when government mandates it, such as the power companies, cable companies, water and sewage, public roads, etc.

It's a huge myth that capitalism promotes monopolies, it just doesn't happen. The only time it does is when private corporations bribe politicans to pass regulations under the guise of "safety" or some other such lie. But that's not capitalism. Capitalism is not having corporate welfare, subsidies, or government passing regulations that make it harder for small business to compete.

A truly free market, where contracts between free people are protected, people are allowed to freely trade with one another without interference, and people are protected from the use of physical force against themselves and their property, would work if given the chance.

Pseudo capitalism doesn't work, and will never work.

traffic laws
For those who think that things are safer with traffic lights, etc., read this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1533248/Is-this-the- end-of-the-road-for-traffic-lights.html

This Dutch town of 50,000 people removed all lights and stop signs and found that it made pedestrians and drivers safer and traffic flow more smoothly.

"It works well because it is dangerous, which is exactly what we want. But it shifts the emphasis away from the Government taking the risk, to the driver being responsible for his or her own risk."

Which is exactly what Mr. Stossel is trying to explain.

One of the suburbs here took out several lights and installed traffic circles, it works great, they should do it in every intersection.
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