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Wednesday, June 13, 2007
John Stossel :: Townhall.com Columnist
Property Owners Win One
by John Stossel
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Opponents of eminent domain finally have something to celebrate. After a public campaign, Target Corp. has decided not to build a store on condemned property in Arlington Heights, Ill.

Five years ago, the Village trustees declared the International Plaza shopping center and other properties blighted, setting the stage for condemnation under eminent domain. The business owners who were to lose their stores fought the "blight" designation in court but failed.

Yet they didn't give up. They and their supporters held protests at trustee meetings. They were aided by the Sam Adams Alliance and Foundation, which launched a letter, telephone and flyer campaign that threatened to boycott Target if the company went through with its plan to occupy property seized by the government.

In late May, the Alliance triumphantly announced, "Target backed out of their contract with the Village. International Plaza tenants have saved the property from eminent domain abuse, at least for the time being".

The Village attorney said pending lawsuits by tenants of the shopping center were one reason for Target's decision.

It's only a reprieve. The trustees smell big bucks, so they may try to find another major chain to be the principal retailer in the 35-acre development area. In the past, several retailers have been more than willing to build on stolen property. So the residents of Arlington Heights and the Sam Adams Alliance may need to launch another campaign.

Nevertheless, Target's announcement is good news indeed.

The "takings" clause in the Constitution's Fifth Amendment says government cannot take private property "for public use without just compensation." I object to anyone having his property taken by force, but at least traditionally, this power of eminent domain ("superior ownership") was limited to the building of highways, bridges and parks -- things meant for general public benefit. But over the last 40 years, governments have redefined "public use" to include private use that they argue has public benefit. Towns began to condemn properties said to be "blighted" and hand them over to private developers, who promised higher tax revenues and jobs.

In 2005, the U.S. Supreme Court blessed this outrageous argument in the infamous Kelo v. New London case. Fortunately, a public backlash followed the ruling, and 41 states have put restrictions on eminent domain for private development. But many of these laws have loopholes for "blighted" property.

Blight is in the eye of the beholder. The Institute for Justice, a libertarian public-interest law firm, says that "the definition of 'blight' has become so broad and unprincipled that governments regularly target perfectly fine homes in ordinary neighborhoods for the wrecking ball."

The use of eminent domain for private profit is the tip of the iceberg of an unappreciated threat to individual freedom. States and municipalities routinely engage in economic planning that would make the old Soviet Union blush. State and local planning boards manipulate the tax laws and hand out cash subsidies to favored retailers and manufacturers, while those without political connections bear the full tax burden or are shut out altogether. The favoritism escalates when governments feverishly compete with one another to attract an auto-assembly plant or a big-box store. Private businesses play each government off against the others to get the most corporate welfare possible.

Who pays? The taxpayers and property owners who are forced to sacrifice for the "common good."

Why do we assume that politicians and bureaucrats know better what's good for the community than people themselves? Competition within free markets benefits everyone. Voluntary exchange is always win-win. Political schemes -- which always require force -- benefit some at the expense of others.

Many uninformed people think there can't be economic development without planning. That's another myth. Most of America's astounding economic growth occurred without government guidance.

The Arlington Heights story shows that big companies respond to public protests. There is a lesson in that. Governments will stop stealing private property from the powerless when businesses refuse to cooperate in this larceny. So the next time one of those giants signs on to a development project made possible by eminent domain, give them an earful.

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Effecting Change
Sounds like government turns a blind eye (as usual), so, if you want any real change, you need to protest the private businesses. They can little afford bad publicity, so it's probably the best way to go.

The insidious problem with Kelo
The Kelo ruling was based on the principle that increased revenue from the "improved" property was a public benefit. I imagine that virtually any property could therefore be replaced by something "better" as far as tax revenues. Imagine a scenario where taxes are lowered on a so-called undesirable property to then make it a target to be replaced by a desirable property. Even without such manipulation, Kelo is dangerous. In the current property tax structure an older house is worth less than a new house which is worth less than an office building,etc.

Occassional agreement...
I have to admit, that one of the main reasons I come to this site is because of the occassional nugget of agreement that I find with pundits like Stoessel who I disagree with a large amount of the time.

The really pleasant surprise here is that I see Stoessel not carrying water for large corporations. After all - city and state governments don't suddenly come up with the idea "it would be cool to use eminent domain to get some land for some large private investors". Rather, the large corporate investors, unable to purchase parcels they want (think the Texas Rangers under George Bush looking for land for a new ballpark complex) use connections to get city or state officials to use government power to "buy" land they don't want to purchase at the rate that landowners want for it.

Anyhow, it's an aberration. A baseball stadium or Target don't represent "critical infrastructure" that can justify a taking. I can understand it for road projects, I can appreciate it for a pipeline that takes tanker trucks off the highways, but it's an abomination when used to make a profit for some investor in a non-critical commercial project.

One way to fight this kind of land grab
Is to support companies like BB&T. Last year the company said that "it will not lend to commercial developers that plan to build condominiums, shopping malls and other private projects on land taken from private citizens by government entities using eminent domain."
(http://realtytimes.com/rtcpages/20060131_highground..htm)


It's a start.

Fear of big corporations
One need only fear big corporations when they collude with government to steal from, cheat or lie to consumers and taxpayers. When big corporations do this in the marketplace, they get punished by consumers and competitors and end up worse off. But when they do it in the halls of political power and the courts, they get away with it while their competitors all clamor for a piece of the same action.

What's the common denominator? Government, whose guns are often necessary to enforce every vile scheme to steal from, cheat or lie to consumers and taxpayers, no matter where it originates.

The only solution to this disgusting state of affairs is to impose draconian limitations on governments' power to steal property, money and influence from taxpayers to pass out to their cronies, political donors and fellow crooks. Dropping the hammer on corporations will just send them to other countries, where most governments are far less limited by their subjects' silly notions of liberty.

RCB
If our government actually followed the Constitution, a lot of these problems would be solved.

Mr. Burns
I am with you on the BB&T thing. Here in the tarheel state, in my neighborhood, I am fighting annexation...and I don't get any voting representation!! How's that for increasing another town's local tax base? GRRR.

Liberty,the Gov't,it's very interpretation,and the lousy judges legislating from the bench don't care about what the Constitution's true meaning is!

Eminent Domain
Here in Maryland we had a big controversy regarding a new law that was being proposed to enhance and strenghten emininent domain. This law was defeated by referendum. Keep in mind that Maryland for half a century has been controlled by Demoncrats and at the time was in fact controlled by liberal demoncrats. The main reasoning was the production of more tax revenue for their programs. The fact that people were going to lose their homes and businesses was not an issue to them. In fact, the comment was made that the people of Essex and Middle River are a cancer that needs to be removed. A good friend of mine was going to lose the family business and one of the criticisms that they had was there were vehicles and vehicle parts stored on the property. Well, wouldn't one expect that on the premises of a engine shop. One other business was criticized for having wrecked cars on the premises. Well I would expect to see cars on the premises of a body shop. This proposed Maryland law would have had a devastating effect. For example, Baltimore County would have been permitted to take property, set the price, and the owner losing the property would have no way of negotiating the price and/or the taking itself. It would have been a total and complete taking by government with no way of stopping the taking.

This issue keeps raising its ugly head and people keep attempting to fight it. Some do not succeed. One municipality seized a church because it did not pay taxes. Another municipality had a policy of not approving the building of new churches and other non-profits because they do not pay taxes.

In reading the constitution (which is the primary law for the land) it is apparent that eminent domain not only allows government to build needed public facilities but the law protects citizens from government. The part of protecting the individual is being set aside for the concept of the greater good. This country is supposed to be about the individual not about the group.

If they had ....
built the Target, would people shop there? You betcha, from miles around. The will of the people appears at this time to have been thwarted temporarily by a small vociferous minority. As Hillary might say, the common good should always prevail above the will of a few reactionaries who stand in the way of the common good for their own interests.

What was the exact thing that Mussolini said?
All from the state, none against the state .....
'Tis to be laughed at.

Stolen, not condemned
I'm glad to see John use plain English when describing the property in question as stolen, exactly what it is.

I note a little grumbling about those nasty old corporations, but some posters put the onus, correctly, on the government. Corporations have no soul, or morals either, but they are what make captalism so superior to all other systems when providing the material wealth we enjoy.

It is up to us, through law, to insure that corporations behave. Derelictions are always at root, the responsibility of the government.

bigshow
If you read the majority opinion in Kelo you'll find that the court based its decision on the assessment, arrived at by the judges, not argued or evidenced by the City of New London, that the traditional definition of "public use" had "eroded" over time.

The court did not expound on this assertion. Nor did it provide examples of this alleged erosion or any logic to justify why justices sworn to uphold the Constitution should allow the meaning of one of its key terms to "erode". They simply decided that the definition of "public use" had eroded. Or should be "eroded". Or that they wanted it to be "eroded".

So your post is right on target (no pun intended). If the government can steal real estate from one owner and give it to another by declaring that the meaning of "public use" has "eroded", why can't it do the same by declaring that the meaning of "blighted" has "eroded"? And how long will it be before the meaning of "property owner" is "eroded" to where it doesn't mean anything more than "squatter"?

wiseone
Exactly my point. If the definition of public use is so loose, then blight is wide open. Some communities I know of would probably declare the local WalMart is a blight while my own perception is that cookie cutter housing development is a blight even if the houses are brand new. But it is the erosion of the definition of public use that has to come first before the blighted argument comes into play.

Nee
Yeah, I know. That's what I think needs to change.

Kelo v. New London case
I read that decision shortly after it was made - and was surprised and frightened by it.

Basically it gives government a free hand in seizing ANY PROPERTY for "public good". The decision in no way limited to real property - If I recall it might even refer to private property. If you have a nice car - for the public good it can be seized for use by the government as the new limo for the mayor. Have a large truck - for the public good (fewer emissions it can be seized (with the government determining its value).

Priority for Fred
If Fred makes a list of things he wants done in his first 100 days, then this should be one of them.

Lets finally put this issue to rest and take the steps now to clairify the law and safe guard private property.

This should be a major pilar of Freds agenda for his first 100 days.

Other pilar items should incude Iraq endgame, Immigration, school choice, and making the tax cuts from Bush permant.

The other big issues after that would take more time but a total over haul of the tax system and privitization of SS.

Remember
The Supreme Court ruled that "public use" is no longer the defining term - it is now "public good" similar to the communist theory of the “collective good”.

Kelo v New London...

...is antithetical to the "American Dream" of home ownership. It will make renters of us all and the government will be the landlord.

By the way,
this ruling was handed down by the liberal Supreme Court prior to the appointments of Roberts and Alieto (sp??)sorry if the name is spelled incorrectly.
I don't find Stossel's take on this issue as surprising at all. From what I understand he is a Libetarian at heart.

Bucko,
We are already renters! I just sold my house on a lake because I could no longer afford the property taxes. The property was taxed at less than $150 per year when I bought it and it is now at $6,000 and growing annually, after I spent my blood, sweat, and tears building a nice house on it. Where is the justice in that? I'm not a wealthy person that can afford a big fancy house, but I shouldn't be taxed out of it when I built it with my own two hands and took five years to do it!

Remove the Fascist Five
Isn't it amusing that the argument of the Fascist Five on SCOTUS visa vis the theft of private property is that "it is a state issue" even though it is EXPLICITLY explained in plain language in the United States Constitution that the government CANNOT, under ANY circumstance, steal private proverty to give it to some other private person for private use, but at the same time they argue that abortion, which isn't mentioned in any way, shape, or form in said Constitution (even lefty wing legal scholars like Alan Dershowitz and others have admitted this) is somehow outside the realm of state legislation?

This, of course, begs the question of just WHAT "constitution" Ruth Bader Ginsberg and her fascist buddies use when coming up with their decisions.

These morons ought to be removed from the bench and disbarred permanently.

Taxes are also legalized theft
This country should be first and foremost about freedom. Liberty is not one of those things that can be partially acquired. Eminent domain laws are as anti-American as taxation with or without representation.

If the government can take your property through eminent domain or property taxes, what rights do we really have? None.

Taxation and eminent domain make the Declaration of Independence, the U.S. Constitution, and the Bill of Rights a fairy tale trilogy used to appease the masses.

John Look for Foreign Takings
In our state the governor wanted to build a bypass around Indianapolis and take rural property in the process. What we discovered later was that part of any profit would go to european pension plans!!!

fortunately the public ourcry was significant enough to tank it... John is right on the target.

Fernando's got a point
We Americans put our heads in a bridle (if not a noose) when we ratified the 16th Amendment.

And here's a neat Constitutional trivia question: according to Amendment 16, what's the maximum percentage that the government can take of your income?

No clarification needed.
The law, The Constitution that is, is very clear, and in no need of "clarification." The enemy of property rights is we the people.

Every time we glance across the street at our neighbor's un-mowed lawn and deem it efficacious to use local government force to compel him to mow it, we are violating the intent of the law. Every time we pretend that we, collectively, can decide if, or how many, or what type of vehicles can be parked in our neighbor's driveway, or we propose to determine the number or capacity of the plumbing fixtures in his home, we undermine our own property rights.

Government abetted property rights abuse is not at all new; it is just more emboldened of late. It began with zoning and building codes. It has proceeded along its natural path. The natural path of all such initiation of force is circular. Sooner or later is comes back to haunt the initiators.

Newt Gingrich pointed out recently that there are 511,000 elective offices in this country. He correctly observed that to fundamentally affect our nation's problems we need to start by replacing all those people. I suggest that we replace them with people who actually believe in the concept of individual rights, including absolute rights to property.

If one must seek permission from government to keep, to use, to modify one's property, he is not the owner of that property; he is merely a temporary tenant. We the people must set a higher standard for our elected officials. We must reject any candidate that sees "government's compelling interest" in controlling the private choices of others.

There is a role for government. It is a limited role, with the emphasis on limited! Limited does not mean limited to what YOU want government to do. It means limited to what you can do yourself.

The test of appropriateness of the use of government is simple. If you cannot rightly use force to achieve a particular goal; you cannot rightly hire a government representative to do it for you.

I hear you, Don.
Actually, it was the expected increase in property tax income that compelled the City of New London to take "Kelo's" private property. Property taxes are a poor way for government entities to procure income for necessary services. Unfortunately, some city or county council members think that a new "Performing Arts Center" is as necessary, perhaps more so, than clean water and sanitation. It's the quality people that we elect that effects our quality of life. California's Proposition 13 was a damn good idea. Eliminating property tax is even better.

What ever happened to the idea of
the Libery Hotel? I know I'd donate to the cause.

Cliff Notes
Sales taxes from a developmen are byand large a zero sum game. All those sales pouring into Village A are coming from other parts of Village A and parts of the surrounding Villages.

Target, of course, has the unmitigated gall to demand that these sales taxes be used in part as a subsidy to assist them as they build..

Mussolini, indeed.

Wiseone, perhaps the Supreme court
is what is "eroded" and should simply be disbanded as an anachronism no longer useful.

Stories like this ....
.... need more press coverage than Paris Hilton!

While the common people are distracted by non-relevant issues the powers that be (local, state, and federal) abuse the law, their power of the office they hold, and the people who they are elected to serve by taking their rights and property.

I'm glad that Target backed out of the deal, but as was pointed out that could only be a temporary win. If another business is convinced to take Targets place the property could still be at risk.

Those property owners should run for office and once in go after the property of those that declared their property blighted. Put the shoe on the other foot and see how it fits.

Property Taxes as leverage
Don, you are correct and I feel for you. You are not alone. There are MANY long time residents, or I should say WERE long term residents of Aspen, Colorado who ended up having to sell their property because property values went up through the roof (pun intended). The rich celebrities who wanted vacation homes there paid what ever they had to in order to acquire a place and the property values went up due to the demand. Even without raising the tax rate, the property taxes increased with the increase in value, pricing out people who had owned property there for several generations. I think property taxes should be based on the value of what you paid, not what you might be able to sell it for. You are not able to get that profit until you sell, so to you, it is still only worth what you paid.

Classic Muffie Quote
> Bucko writes: It will make renters of us
> all and the government will be the landlord.

It was Kerry Healey who said it, but there was a classic quote out of the Romney administration a couple of years back that is priceless:

Addressing the issue of rising property taxes burdening retirees residing in homes that they had purchased and paid off mortgages on years back, Healey stated that the seniors were "overhoused" and that they should move into a smaller apartment. She took the HUD regulations regarding number of bedrooms (overhousing is when children leave the household and thus the client is no longer justified to have that number of bedrooms) and then applied it to what people should be allowed to own.

Part of the second reason why I am not supporting Romney for President.

Don't Blame the Supreme Court
I get the impression that hardly anyone actually read the Supreme Court's decision. What the Court decided was that it is up to the states to determine what constitutes "eminent domain", not the federal government. The Court basically said that if the citizens of a state do not like the way eminent domain is used in their state, it is up to them to change it, not the Supreme Court of the United States. It was a big victory for the states and the people. If you don't like how your state government is working, vote them out!

DocNoleCat trivia
Answer to Doc's trivia question is: None, nada, up to and including 100% of ALL your income! Here is the 16th amendment:

"Passed by Congress July 2, 1909. Ratified February 3, 1913.

Note: Article I, section 9, of the Constitution was modified by amendment 16.

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."

Turn About is Fair Play
Is it any wonder that the vast majority of the country hold to postmodern relativism? Could it be they are following the lead of our government leaders who assign to the words of the Constitution whatever meaning is most convenient to them as it suits their own purpose? We need to keep holding up the original intent in regards to the words of America's founding fathers. What our government is doing is perverting the Constitution.

Eminent Domain
I live in Sunset Hills, MO where our Mayor and Board of Aldermen gave the power of Emninent Domain to the Developer, Novus Development in 2005.
They wanted my entire neighborhood of middle class homes for a "Lifestyle Center" ie: Retail
This neighborhood is made up of 254 homes and 18 businesses. We boarder an Insterstate highway and 2 main arteries. We have location, location, location.
The developer threated Eminent Domain at the start of trying to assemble the land.
We fought and won. We sued the City for doing the Tax Increment Financing against TIF statute. And won. We are now sueing Novus for Fraud.

Bow Down Before Taxation
What does it say about the attitude of the elite ruling class toward the ruled, & their priorities, that they can even contemplate dispossessing people for the ostensible purpose of increasing tax revenue? It would seem taxes are more important to the elite than people. Sacred Taxation completely trumps basic rights in every area of life. It is a disgusting and vile notion in itself, & those who engage in it are little better than Nazis.

Actually, I question in many such cases whether mo' taxes is really the motivation, or whether some powerful influential somebody is simply being enriched with property stolen under color of law.

Maybe It's Time...
...for this country to go the way of the dodo. They want it, let 'em have it.

It really pains me to say that...we had it good for a while, anyway.

There's still the mountains and a nomadic way of life.

Machiavelli
Machiavelli said it is best to be loved, but since that is hard, it is better to be feared. He also wrote that under no circumstances should you be hated. What makes you hated according to Machiavelli? Taking men's stuff: their property and women. If you take people's stuff often enough, they will eventually try to take it back.

Who do you boycott
when the people trying to take the land to generate "significant positive economic rewards for our local communities" are doing so as a PRESERVATION PROJECT? That's what the "owners" of Lauxmont Farms are up against in Pennsylvania. They are the proud owners of some very choice land with spectacular views overlooking the Susquehanna River, and the York County commissioners and a "Heritage" group are trying to prevent them from being able to sell part of it for development, and are doing so by eminent domain. Tenants, indeed.

Raisin -- GOOD LUCK!
The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.

DocNoleCat -- workin4wages -- Not Quite
Actually, there's nothing at all that keeps congress from confiscating an infinite amount of income.

Essentially, they can tax 100% of what you made this year, plus 50% of what you made last year, and then 25% of what you expect to earn next year -- of course to be repeated once again next year --

Nevermind the sheer impossibility of paying such a tax -- we're talking politics, not arithmetic.

Unca Alby
"Actually, there's nothing at all that keeps congress from confiscating an infinite amount of income."

Why don't you stick with the truth, and real
possibilities. There is plenty to complain of
in that realm without being ridiculous.

To Stossel
The title of the column is "Property Owners Win
One." I hope that is correct and I would love
to believe that the recent Supreme Court deicision raised enough ire in people to make
us all vigilant against such shenanigans.

I do have a serious quibble about the tone of
the article, however. "Government" is the
problem, Stossel would have you believe. I
would disagree. Occasionally, eminent domain
does have a very legitimate usefulness to the
public at large, though it is a given that a
new highway will never be built through a
subdivision with million dollar houses.

The problem is developers who believe that their
wealth gives them entitlement to become even wealthier at others' expense. And they in turn bribe or otherwise convince elected officials to see things their way. And all of a sudden, we have that syndrome once again that some people are more equal than others - those with the deepest pockets.

And we let it happen by electing creeps who see
the almighty $ and their own careers as the
end all and be all of what America is about.


bigshow and wiseone
Good posts!

A few months ago REASON mag interviewed an Institute for Justice (www.ij.org) lawyer who fought for the property owners in the Kelo case. It was an eye-opener as to how **unfair** the eminent domain process really is. If you are not satisfied with what government offers for the property and want more money there is lots of legal help available (for a piece of the action) but if you want to keep your home you are on your own and government has numerous ways to run up the expenses until it costs more than your home is worth to keep it.

Not only that; it was brought out in the article that as soon as the city/county/state files the eminent domain papers the govt entity takes title to the property and the owner becomes a tenant by fiat and has to pay rent to the govt body doing the taking.

Then there is the example of Seattle some years ago in which the City Attorney taking property in a low-income black neighborhood decided to save the city money by waving the "drug abatement" flag and **confiscating** the homes and business "on suspicion" of drug activity. There never was any evidence of that and nobody was charged; there was never any investigation. The property was simply **stolen** for "urban renewal" -- read that "ethnic cleansing." WA has a strong constitution but the courts won't enforce it and the cities disregard it. No wonder that it has been called the "Soviet of Washington." Reportedly, Seattle even has a statue of Lenin in one of the city parks.

Not only thievery but also extortion is what eminent domain has become.

Planning myth
An example of the fact that planning is not necessary is a community on Long Island: Levittown, originally consisting of affordable homes for people working in NYC. Since then it has grown and has become a success without any central planning and is all the better for it.

viruddh
"Why don't you stick with the truth, and real
possibilities. There is plenty to complain of
in that realm without being ridiculous."

Actually, Unca Alby is right. When the income tax was first proposed, objections were raised that without an upper limit the tax could go as high as 25%; they were shouted down with the assertion that that would NEVER happen. Well it went from the original 2% to 91% before being scaled back.

My Economics professor showed on the blackboard an example of financing a war and part of the display was a tax of $1000 on a corporate income of $1000. One of my classmates asked if that were possible and he replied that there could be a tax of $1500 on $1000 of income. I don't recall all the details now (this was in the early '50's).

The point is that the way the income tax law was written a rate of 100% was entirely legal.

viruddh
"The problem is developers who believe that their
wealth gives them entitlement to become even wealthier at others' expense. And they in turn bribe or otherwise convince elected officials to see things their way. And all of a sudden, we have that syndrome once again that some people are more equal than others - those with the deepest pockets."

How true. I never heard how this came out (my source of info moved to another state) but a thriving brake repair shop in Phoenix was threatened with being wiped out because a developer wanted the building. The developer even went so far as to buy neighboring buildings and board them up in order to call the area "blighted." I don't know whether or not the "blighter" got his way; perhaps someone posting here is more familiar with it.


Pirate
Thanks for the info!

"Healey stated that the seniors were "overhoused" and that they should move into a smaller apartment. She took the HUD regulations regarding number of bedrooms (overhousing is when children leave the household and thus the client is no longer justified to have that number of bedrooms) and then applied it to what people should be allowed to own."

Healy sounds like a devoted follower of Karl Marx. Taxachusetts has some irksome ways to raise tax revenue; e.g., if your home looks out on a nice mountain scene then you pay higher taxes for that view. This is different from waterfront homes; in that case you can use the body of water for swimming, boating etc.

Healy's words remind me of a line from **Doctor Zhivago** when the protagonist and his in-laws arrive at their amply-sized home only to find that the local Communist party had taken it and told them that there was room for ten families in that house. So-called "New Urbanism" calls for putting people into apartments instead of single-family homes and some of the apartment buildings I have seen could be thought of as glorified communes. And where apartments come to town crime goes up.

Voter Imposed Term Limits, INC.
I am so sick and tired of Congress that I have been forced do something, so I have founded Voter Imposed Term Limits. The American people must be made to understand that they control Congress not the other way around.

The Mission of Voter Imposed Term Limits is to educate the individual American Citizen of the awesome power and responsibility giving to each American Citizen by the United State Constitution. All Federal elections and a great many Local elections are National and International in scope. All members of Congress vote on National and International problems and issues. No more " All elections are Local ".

We do not need a Constitutional Amendment to limit the terms members of Congress can serve. All American Citizens have that power in their vote. Voter Imposed Term Limits will educate the American Voter to wield this power judicially and with great effect.

The Congress of today is pure theater. No reality, all smoke and mirrors for the audience. The only part that is real is the total dedication to REELECTION. The job is so great no one wants to give it up. Power corrupts and they have absolute power over our lives.
Voter Imposed Term Limits will, through inventive use of all Media Forms and Forums, give the American Voter a way to simply, easily and with certainty limit the term in office all federally elected officials.

The really nice thing about Voter Imposed Term Limits is that we can do it without the need to even ask Congress for anything.
I believe that a new Unwritten Rule is taking shape in the mind of the American voter, be they Democrat or Republican, simply put it goes something like “6 YEARS AND OUT”.

Don Ruane
Founder and Director
Voter Imposed Term Limits, Inc., a non-profit in GA.
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Don
Your experience is shared by a lot of people, some more and some less. Back in 1959 a couple bought a two-bedroom bungalow on a channel between two lakes for 19,000. Today it is still a two-bedroom bungalow because they could not afford to expand it. However, the tax value of their house is a whopping $385,000, more than 20 times what they paid for it. They are elderly and local officials tried to give them a price break but the State of Ohio won't allow it.


RE: VITL
"I believe that a new Unwritten Rule is taking shape in the mind of the American voter, be they Democrat or Republican, simply put it goes something like “6 YEARS AND OUT”."

That may work for the House but it's necessary to make second or third terms possible in the Senate. The six year limit would make a freshman Senator a lame duck right off the bat. Ohio's Governor Daft -- er, I mean Taft -- became a lame duck as soon as he was re-elected; he sold out every coalition that helped re-elect him.



For viruddh - - - on Ridiculousity
quoth Unca Alby:
"Actually, there's nothing at all that keeps congress from confiscating an infinite amount of income."

quoth viruddh:
"Why don't you stick with the truth, and real possibilities. There is plenty to complain of in that realm without being ridiculous."

Well, first off, I can be as ridiculous as I want to be. Last I heard, it doesn't violate any Townhall posting rules.

Secondly -- are you *SURE* it's ridiculous?

As I understand it, Sweden once had a tax structure very similar in effect, where certain people in certain income brackets actually *could* literally be charged 100% of this year's income, and some fraction of last year's income. All of this to pay for "social safety net" that had become so comfortable, that many of the people in said income bracket just said "screw it" and went on welfare, and noticed little change in their living standards.

It's probably not that bad anymore -- while we in the US are trying to emulate our Socialist Heroes in other nations (with big pushes from both major parties), many Socialist nations are trying to ease into Free Market Capitalism before they go entirely bankrupt.

Also, remember when the 16th Amendment was passed, the promise was that only the "rich" would pay income tax, and never more than 3% (get it writing people, get it in writing!!) Nowadays, especially whenever the Democrats are in control, "rich" means anybody who works for a living.

They creep up on you. They boil the frog slowly. It may seem "ridiculous" now, but give them a little time.

Anti-Kelo laws
If you can get your hands on a copy of the August/September issue of **Reason** mag I recommend reading the article "The Limits of Anti-Kelo Legislation" by Ilya Somin; it points out things to watch out for when a bill is being considered regarding property rights as well as earlier SCOTUS rulings that gave government a blank check to take property for any reason.

For example:

"Legislators have found many different ways to produce bills that appear to protect property rights without actually doing so. Texas, for example, banned 'economic development' takings but continues to permit them under other names, such as 'community development.' The most common tactic, used in some 16 states' post-Kelo laws, is to allow economic development condemnations to continue under the guise of alleviating 'blight.' While it may sometimes be desirable to use eminent domain to transform severely dilapidated areas, many states define 'blight' so broadly that almost any neighborhood qualifies."

and

"Political ignorance also helps explain why the backlash against eminent domain occurred when it did. Many *Kelo* defenders complain that the backlash is grossly excessive because the case made little change in existing precedent. In two previous decisions, *Berman v. Parker* (1954) and *Hawaii Housing Authority v. Midkiff (1984) the Supreme Court had already ruled that the government could condemn property for almost any reason, even if the land taken was to be transferred to private parties....Few ordinary citizens, even those who remembered those cases were unlikely to understand that the reasoning behind them was broad enough to justify condemnation of property for reasons that went far beyond the specific facts of the two decisions. *Kelo* defenders were right to claim that the decision made little change in existing precedent. But they were wrong to assume that the public knew about and approved of the pre-Kelo status quo."

I blame the public schools for much of that failure to grasp what government has been doing; when did they quit teaching Civics? When I was in grade school Civics was taught in sixth grade.

tyrants' perpetual land grab attempts
The only rights you have are the ones you're willing to protect and fight for!

If history teaches us anything, the tyrants of the world will forever be abusing the powers of gov't to serve their own selfish wants under the guise of the "common good". Forever, that is as long as we stand by and let them get away with their BS.

It's awesome to see patriots like John Stossel working so hard to bring the truth to the surface. Keep inspiring us, John!
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