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Wednesday, May 30, 2007
The Double "Thank-You" Moment
By John Stossel
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Some people hate me because I defend free markets. Once someone accosted me on a New York City street and said, "I hope you die soon."

Why the hostility to commerce? What could be more benign than the freedom to trade with whomever you wish?

I suspect ignorance about economics leads many to believe that when two people exchange goods and money, one wins and the other loses. If rich capitalists profit, the poor and the weak suffer.

That's a myth.

How many times have you paid $1 for a cup of coffee and after the clerk said, "thank you," you responded, "thank you "? There's a wealth of economics wisdom in the weird double thank-you moment. Why does it happen? Because you want the coffee more than the buck, and the store wants the buck more than the coffee. Both of you win.

Economists have long understood that two people trade because each wants what the other has more than what he already has. In their respective eyes, the things traded are unequal in value. But this means each comes out ahead, having given up something he wants less for something he wants more. It's just not true that one gains and the other loses. If that were the case, the loser wouldn't have traded. It's win-win, or as economists would say, positive-sum.

We experience this every time we have that double thank-you moment in a store or restaurant.

It doesn't matter that you wish the price of coffee were lower. We want the price of everything to be lower (except the price of what we're selling, whether it's our products or labor). What matters is that you bought the coffee for a buck.

The story doesn't change if you buy from someone in another city or another state. It doesn't change even if you buy from someone in another country.

That's why I worry when I hear politicians say things like, "I believe in free trade, but it has to be fair trade". That particular quote is from a presidential contender, Mike Huckabee, former governor of Arkansas. Continued...

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Subject: Deskjockey -- Not Quite Correct
You're not 100% correct in stating that capitalism means that people do not get more than what they give. In that regard, "LiveFreeOrDie" is quite correct. Indeed, that is the strength of Free Market Capitalism.

The cornerstone of a free market system is that a person *always* trades for *his* *perception* of a *better* deal than what he has to give up to get it.

E.g., you give $2 to Starbucks for a cup of coffee because that coffee is worth more TO YOU than the $2 you're giving up. From Starbucks' perspective, that $2 is worth more TO THEM than the cup of coffee.

For YOU, you don't have to contact growers, you don't have grind beans, you don't have to contact paper cup mfgr's, you don't have to heat water, you don't have to have this available for you mid-way on your commute, etc. Starbucks will do all of that for you.

For STARBUCKS, they contact growers, grind beans, contact paper companies, contact the water company, the gas or electric company, the fellow who leases the building, etc. etc., so that you (and a lot of other people like you) will happily part with the cash they want.

It's a FAIR exchange, even though BOTH parties are getting MORE than what they're giving, from THEIR own individual perspectives.

I once had a discussion with a very religious person, who remarked that a successful marriage means NOT a "give and take" of 50/50 -- instead, both parties need to give 75% and receive 25%. Well, that sounds very good from a religious, altruistic perspective, but it occurs to me that it's intrinsically unstable.

Therefore, I've concluded that the secret to a successful, long-lasting marriage (or any other relationship) is when both sides RECEIVE 75% and GIVE 25% (from their own individual perspectives).

If BOTH sides are GETTING more than they GIVE, then they'll be MORE attracted to each other.

King_Rey - - - "Cheating?"
quoth King Rey: "I come in honestly and play by the rules, and the other guy is determined to cheat me. Then I will not trade with him any more. I wish this country had that kind of sense."

Countries do not trade. People do.

If you feel your trade partners are cheating you, then by all means, stop trading with them. But others may have different opinions of what constitutes "cheating" (e.g., most people don't care if their jeans were made by slave or child labor, so long as the value is good).

Every item is identified by it's country of origin. If you don't like things made in China because you don't like their domestic policies, don't buy them.
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