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Wednesday, February 28, 2007
John Stossel :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Fear Industrial Complex
by John Stossel
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We can scare ourselves stupid.

Consider vaccines. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. says the mercury in them has "poisoned an entire generation! It's causing IQ loss, mental retardation, speech delay, language delay, ADD, hyperactivity!"

The news media love this kind of story. They repeatedly invite Barbara Loe Fisher, who heads the Vaccine "Information" Center, to tell parents about vaccine risks. She warns of "seizures, brain inflammation, collapse shock, and of course the most serious effect is death."

Causing autism is the biggest accusation. "Before kids received so many vaccines," says Fisher, "you didn't see autistic children. ... We can't build the special-education classrooms fast enough now to accommodate all these sick and disabled children."

Do vaccines cause autism?

Almost certainly not. Dr. Paul Offit, chief of infectious diseases at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia told me, "It's perfectly reasonable to be skeptical about anything you put into your body, including vaccines. And vaccines do have side effects. But vaccines don't cause autism."

He speaks with confidence because the National Academy of Sciences recently reviewed the research and concluded that 19 major studies tracking thousands of kids show no link between vaccines and autism. "The question has been raised; it's been answered!" Dr. Offit says.

Then why are so many kids diagnosed as autistic today? Because kids we once said had other conditions now are being called autistic.

As March of Dimes researchers put it, "Changes in diagnosis account for the observed increase in autism." Sure enough, California data show the rise in autism diagnoses almost exactly matches a decline in cases of retardation.

"People that we once called quirky or geeky or nerdy are now called autistic," Dr. Offit said, "because when you give that label of, say, autistic spectrum disorder, you allow that child then to qualify for services."

Imagine that. A trendy diagnosis being driven by government-paid services.

Vaccine opponents are unconvinced. After my recent TV program "Scared Stiff," they have filled my mailbox with comments like, "how long will you keep sucking pharmaceutical ----?!" Calmer correspondents tell me they "know" that vaccines caused their child's autism. "Nothing else could have done it."

My heart goes out to parents struggling to help their autistic children, but I fear they have been misled by another anti-drug industry scare campaign.

I know something about those from personal experience. Twenty years ago, "20/20" interviewed Allen McDowell, a lawyer who said the whooping-cough vaccine was defective. After our alarming report, many parents told their kids' pediatricians they didn't want the vaccine. Some doctors became vaccine shy.

When my daughter got a fever after one of the vaccines, her doctor decided not to give her the final shot. He said my being a "20/20" correspondent made him even more anxious about giving her the vaccine.

And a short time afterward, my daughter got whooping cough. Luckily, she recovered.

But after media reports like "20/20's" and well-publicized lawsuits, many people refuse to vaccinate their children. And America now sees more cases of whooping cough, mumps, and measles.

Says Dr. Offit. "Watch a child come into the hospital and die of measles, knowing that it can be safely and easily prevented by vaccines. It's very hard to live with that."

But Barbara Fisher of the Vaccine Information Center is unmoved. When I asked if vaccines have done more good than harm, she said the matter is "complex."

Lawyer McDowell claims his lawsuits made the vaccine safer. "I'm doing a service for the public," he says.

Nonsense, says Dr. Offit. Lawyers didn't make the vaccines better: "There was always an interest in trying to make that vaccine safer, but the science had to catch up to that." He added, "There's a certain profiteering that comes with fear."

Lawyers, the media, and interest groups do profit from spreading fear. I call it the Fear Industrial Complex.

McDowell is now debating whether to file new lawsuits claiming that vaccines cause autism. I said to him, "You scare people and make money off it!" After a pause, he replied, "True."

In future columns I'll discuss other ways the Fear Industrial Complex makes money by scaring people stiff.

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Yep
Mercury=autism.

SUVs=Global warming

SUVs=Global Cooling

Trans fats=heart attacks

Butter=heart attacks

Margarine=good heart health

Margarine=heart attacks

Butter=good heart health

Salt=high blood pressure

Salt=normal blood electrolytes

Egg yolks=bad

egg yolks=good

Carbohydrates=good

Carbohydrates=bad

Carbohydrates=good again

Protein=good

Protein=bad

Protein=good again

Rice=good

Rice=bad

Rice=neutral

Vegetable oil=good

Vegetable oil=bad, use canola oil

Canola oil=bad

And on and on and on.

MSM=hysteria du jour, the one thing that doesn't change

There should be a lot more discussion...
...of the ways in which perverse government-crafted incentives, such as programs that pay subsidies according to the prevalence of particular diagnoses, warp the decisions of professionals supposedly dedicated to our well-being.

I can't help but recall a vignette from Michael Fumento's blockbuster "The Myth Of Heterosexual AIDS." He related the statement of an African doctor who'd seen many deaths officially attributed to AIDS when the true cause of death had been something somewhat less exotic, e.g., malaria or an auto accident. "Because of AIDS," he said, "no one is allowed to die from these things any more."

The motivation, of course, was the per-capita subsidy coming from Western sources, tied to AIDS deaths. Yet the #1 killer of Africans is malaria, and the #2 is dysentery.

You may now shudder.

BrianR
Perfect!!! You know there are so many darn studies that always change the way people approach anything...
I worked in research lab with a nice little German Doctor. Her research was woking on Retrovirus mechanisms...that would be Chicken Pox, Herpes 1 & 2. Twenty-two years ago,she said,
Zomeday, wis all my little mice,dere will be more waccines dan you can tink of. And von for zex firuses,too. Here we may use it,in US too long to wait. I tell you de troos. Don't be dumm,
and not uze dem ven day come."
I know she was wise, and I did enough research to know that the benefits outweighed the risks anyday of the week. Especially when I had children.
What I don't get, is why highly educated people (in this case, women),will breast feed their children til age 5,but not vaccinate.

Vaccine scare is nonsense
I live in Great Britain, and a couple of years ago the BBC had a documentary that thoroughly the debunked the "vaccine=autism" myth. In fact, they showed that the doctor who orginally put forth the claims was a fraud, because at the time he was working with a pharmaceutical company to develop an alternative to the vaccine.

Also, he was tipped off to the possible link by this mother whose son developed autism shortly after getting a vaccine. Wa la! It must have been the vaccine! We need to get rid of it! And of course that mother and all the others who by into this myth will never be convinced otherwise. And final thing: that scientist reached his conclusion by examining about 10 children. Great in-depth research there.

Studies Say
As soon as I here or read those words I tune the entire thing out. This kind of cr*p wasn't a problem until the Supremes made it impossible to sue anybody for libel.

We need to bring that back. A good example is the big Alar scare a few years ago. This "study" based on faulty EPA testing said it caused cancer. The NRDC got on board and demanded it be removed from use and turned it over to the news media (60 minutes). Although nothing had been declared it was finally removed from use. Apple growers lost 250 million dollars. The apple growers should have been able to sue the EPA, 60 minutes, and the NRDC for bad science, violation of their own science rules, and lies.

Great Article!
The reason so many people link autism to vaccines is because autism tends to show up round about the time the last MMR is given. Correlation is not causation, folks! And you are right---the increase in autism diagnoses follows a decline in "retardation" diagnoses.

And BTW, folks---thimerosal is rarely used, if ever, anymore in vaccines. And the small amount of mercury in thimerosal in a given vaccine should not overwhelm the body's ability to excrete toxins.

Vaccine injuries are real
90% of this year's flu shot supply contains 25 micrograms of ethylmercury from Thimerosal.

Thimerosal is still used in vaccine production, but is chelated out. (But not the MMR.)

Research from UC-Davis shows that Thimerosal damages dendrites at concentrations of less than 1 microgram per shot, interfering with calcium channels and damaging immunity.

FWIW, Paul Offit's rotavirus vaccine was just pulled for the second time after injuring more than two dozen children with intrasussception.

I know a boy whose biopsies show vaccine-strain measles lining his intestinal mucosa, like the UK children. I know children whose lab tests show mitochondrial disorders and mercury poisoning.

This isn't about lawsuits. It is about another inconvenient truth. We should all be ashamed of the horrible way that vaccine injury victims are mistreated and denied. Look at how the U.S. treats its soldiers -- read "Vaccine A" by former NBC reporter Gary Matsumoto.

If pharmaceutical companies would spend some time and money figuring out why some children and adults are injured, consumer confidence would increase drastically. Right now the policy is "tough luck, sucker."

Why is Stossel writing about the liability issue, when the Senate granted financial immunity to Pharma last year? Why not a discussion of fixing the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program?

Where is the sympathy for children made sick by the product designed to help, not harm? Where is the research on undoing the damage when some children suffer adverse reactions to vaccines?

I'd like to wish this away, but these kids' lab work tells a grim story.






Hmmm...
I wonder why Stoessel doesn't mention that Paul Offit has a vaccine patent with Merck, therefore making him a biased source for this column. Could it be that Stoessel himself also is a biased source? After all, Stoessel has been on a personal campaign to anoint big pharma since... forever? I wonder if John gets his big pharma money injection in the arm, or in the ...

It's like an episode of Giligan's Island
No matter the circumstances, or how good this week's plan looks, they're not getting off the island.

Alar, Asbestos, Vaccines, Population Bomb, Global Cooling, Global Warming...

About the only realistic doomsday threat I can think of was global communism, which killed tens of millions of people.




For Steve O
You should also consider Islam as a global threat. Muslims of all ("radical" all the way to nearly irreligious) have certainly killed millions in the 1400 years that religion has been around--including 2.3 million of that religion's adherents between March and December 1971!

Bad name for a good thing?
Vaccines have caused many dreaded diseases to become rare in America.

Side affectes passed on to children?
Our Drug Culture passed many side affectes to children and it does not prevent parents from using recreational drugs.

Drug Culture is a modern thing.
Marajuana grew wild about 1/2 mile from where I went to high school. No one ever bothered with it.
Do you think today's high school kids would leave that alone?

Real Science
It was reported repeatedly in 2006 that the link
between mercury-containing vaccines and autism has been disproven. Yet if one looks at the most recent research coming from some of our major universities, one may draw the opposite conclusion.

What we have learned in the last couple of years is that the underlying medical condition of autism is neuroinflammatory disease. In a study conducted at John Hopkins University, brain tissue from deceased autistic patients was examined (1). The tissue showed an active neuroinflammatory process and marked activation of microglia cells. Neuroinflammatory disease is synonymous with an activation of microglia
cells (2).

A study done at the University of Washington showed that baby primates exposed to injected thimerosal (50 percent mercury), at a rate equal to the 1990s childhood vaccine schedule, retained twice as much inorganic mercury in their brains as primates exposed to equal amounts of ingested methylmercury (3). We
know from autometallographic determination that
inorganic mercury present in the brain, following the dealkylation of organic mercury, is the toxic agent responsible for changes in the microglial population and leads to neuroinflammation (4).

Recently it was shown that in more than 250 examined patients, atypical urinary porphyrins were almost three times higher in autistic patients than controls. Porphyrins are precursors to heme, the oxygen-carrying
component of blood (5). Mercury inhibits the
conversion of porphyrins to heme. When the patients were treated to remove mercury, urinary porphyrins returned to normal levels.

In a study done at the University of Arkansas,
autistic children were found to have significantly lower levels of the antioxidant glutathione (6). Glutathione is the major antioxidant needed for the elimination of mercury at the cellular level. This may
explain why some children are more severely affected by thimerosal in vaccines than others.

While all the government-conducted pidemiological
(statistical) studies show no link between thimerosal and autism, the clinical studies examining brain tissue, blood, urine and human cells show a completely different picture.

References:

(1) Vargus DL, Nascimbene C, Krishnan C, Zimmerman AW,Pardo Ca. 2005 Neuroglial activation andneuroinflamation in the brain of patients with autism.Annals of Neurology 57:67-81.

(2)Streit W, Mrak R, Griffin W 2004. Microglia and neuroinflamation: a pathological perspective. Journalof Neuroinflamation 1:14

(3) Burbacher T, Shen D, Liberato N, Grant K,
Cernichiari E, Clarkson T 2005. Comparison of blood and brain mercury levels in infant monkeys exposed to methylmercury or vaccines containing thimerosal.Environmental Health Perspectives. 113:1015-1021

(4)Charleston J, Body R, Bolender R, Mottet N, Vahter M, Burbacher T 1996. Changes in the number of astrocytes and microglia in the thalamus of the monkey Macaca fascicularis following long-term subclinicalmethylmercury exposure. Neurotoxicology 17:127-138

(5)Nataf R, Lam A, Lathe R, Skorupka, C. 2006
Porphyrinurea in Childhood Autistic Disorders:
Implications for Environmental Toxicity.
Toxicol. Appl. Pramacol. 214(2):99-108

(6) James SJ, Melnyk S, Jernigan S, Cleves MA, HalstedCH, Wong DH, Cutler P, Bock K, Boris M, Bradstreet JJ, Baker SM, Gaylor DW. 2006 Metabolic endophenotype and related genotypes are associated with oxidative stressin children with autism. Am J Med Genet B Neuropsychiatr Genet. 2006 Aug 17; [Epub ahead of
print]




The Exploitation of Tragedy
Not unlike Paul Klass, of the Polly Klass Foundation, has another parent has found a way to capitalize upon or turn their misfortune into a profitable pity party with themselves at the center. The National Vaccine Information Center is another dubious organization enabled by the 501(c)3 section of the IRS Code. It is, essentially a "Gilt by Guilt" racket run by many entrepreneurial "victims" in this country. Barbara Loe Fisher is the the Co-founder and President of the National Vaccine Information Center, and I assume eligible for a salary and expense account for her activities.

Is there a difference between the homeless who beg at the "Quickie Mart" and many of these "public service charities". Especially when their web site has links to "Legal Specialists" regarding the charities issues.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no Scrooge when it comes to realizing that the less fortunate do need assistance and advocacy. But charities cross a fine line between greed, opportunity and politics when they become self-righteous about their cause. It becomes time to "follow the money".

IOM's bias
The IOM looked at 19 studies attempting to refute the
thimerosal hypothesis, TOTAL. He got that number by counting
thimerosal "pro-poison" references in the report. The IOM cited a
total of 34 thimerosal related studies in their report. This is
despite the existence of 7,000 publications related to thimerosal
exposure (from Pubmed) as based on an email between FDA officials
Leslie Ball and Fredrick Varricchio
(http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/media/6.6.pdf page 50).

The IOM culled out of the 7,000 studies, a total of 34 to investigate
and finally landed on it's "top five".

Who picked the 34 studies? Project Officers Marie McCormick and Kathleen Stratton, under the direct control of the CDC.

vaccines
The following is a letter I wrote to John Stossel on 2/24/07

Having just read the transcript from the segment "Scared of Vaccines?” I just want to say that I disagree with your personal "scare tactics". I wish I could have watched the actual show so that I could have counted the number of Pharmaceutical ads. I am not totally anti-vaccine. I am, however, against the increasing number of vaccines that are constantly being forced on America's children. Take some time to look into the ingredients that are added to these shots. Mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde... I could go on. These neurotoxins are not safe for anyone, and there is a subset of children who are more vulnerable than others. My grandson is one of them. After receiving all of his shots (and mildly reacting to the MMR), he was given a flu shot at 19 months. This was his toxic tipping point. He lost most of his typically developing milestones, and acquired countless recognizably autistic behaviors. On top of this, his gut was damaged and his immune system was on overload. He suffered from mono, anemia, continual ear infections, colds, pink eye and strep.
He began to crave wheat based foods, cheese and milk.
Lab tests showed that he was harboring mercury, aluminum, lead, nickel, tin, cadmium, beryllium, tungsten and many more toxic metals. He is a child who cannot excrete toxins on his own.
Through biomedical treatment, his gut is healing and the toxins are leaving his body. He cannot tolerate any gluten or casein containing foods. He takes daily supplements and is on a chelation program. We have been working with him for over 2 years. It is a slow and expensive process, but we are getting him back.
You used your own daughter, Lauren, as the poster child for vaccines. She missed a shot and got whooping cough. But she recovered, didn't she? What about the tens of thousands of children who are vaccine injured who will never recover? Those who do, undergo years and years of intensive therapy, biomedical treatment, and in the latter case, both.
As for the DPT shot, there is another subset of children who have reacted to the Pertussis component. "P" is therefore omitted in future boosters. Are you saying that even these children should get the full dosage for the greater good? Sorry, Mr. Stossel, but if Lauren had reacted the way many of our damaged children have, you would be on the forefront of the "No Forced Vaccination" movement.
Again, I am not totally anti-vaccine, but I am willing to stand up and be a voice for the children who are most vulnerable. To Dr. Offitt, I say "shame on you!" He is well aware of the secret meeting on vaccine safety at Simsonwood. He knows that the dangers of vaccine additives, especially mercury, are very real. He knows that the Verstraaten study was flawed. Being connected to BigPharma, I would expect such blatant lies to come from him.
I am not trivializing whooping cough. It is very real, but did you know that less than 1% of these cases end up requiring hospitalization? The greatest risk is among infants 6 months and younger. I am concerned about this age group as the nervous system is not developed at this age. Many infants cannot tolerate the additives in vaccines, and most parents don't know if their child could be at risk. However, some do as they have other family members who have been vaccine injured. Parents who choose not to vaccinate should not be chastised and discriminated against. Parents who do vaccinate should be educated to proceed carefully and selectively.
An entire generation of children is in trouble. 1 in 6 school aged children in this country is on an IEP. Juvenile Arthritis, Diabetes, Asthma, Allergies, ADD, ADHD, Autism, Dyslexia, Apraxia, Oppositional Behavior Disorders, Bi-Polar, Schizophrenia, Depression...do you know how many children are on prescribed drugs because of these illnesses? Do you honestly believe that our kids are unaffected by environmental toxins, including those in their vaccines? The number of vaccine doses a high school graduate will receive has risen from about 8 in 1950 to around 96 today. Do you honestly believe that over-vaccinating has nothing to do with the poor health our children????
Think about doing a program on this, Mr. Stossel. I know that an unbiased presentation on this topic will never happen because the pharmaceutical companies who advertise so heavily will not allow it. Too bad.
Think about that when Lauren has children of her own....


Differential statistics
Why doesn't anyone go back and compare the sheer numbers of people that died before these vaccines? There is nothing in life that is risk free - vaccines, surgical procedures, or crossing the street. I guess if Big Pharma came up with an AIDs vaccine that saved 10 million people, but killed 100,000 (1% failure rate) the MSM and lawyers would still scream, sue and demand it taken away (and totally damn the other 9,900,000 people).

It is rare to see a news article discussing complete risk statistics - the math is often ignored or distorted for the same reasons discussed by Stossel. Nancy's comments about real risk means nothing if it isn't enumerated (and some basis of comparison) - 10 kids are harmed out of 10,000 saved (or is it 1000 kids our of 1,000,000 (both are 1/10 of 1% failure rate)? Darn a simple tonsilectomy may have a worse complication/fatality rate by comparison (for all we know).

Benjamin Disraeli (19th century British PM) said it best "there are lies, damn lies, and statistics". Its all in presentation and full disclosure (and a brain).

Stossel on worries
It is too bad Stossel did not publish a column about the 20/20 segment that was shown immediately preceding his segment on vaccines. The opening segment was about "worry" and his "expert" was Dr. Robert L. Leahy, who wrote "The Worry Cure". Dr. Leahy believes it is the ability to worry about things you can change that separates man from other animals. Leahy further explained "Adaptive worry" is good because it causes the worrier to take constructive action. "Toxic worry" is bad, can paralyze you, and is usually based on wrong information or lack of information. Someone who panics on entering an elevator or fears picking up a heavy rock afraid to learn what lies beneath it, are paralyzed by "toxic worries".

It is parents who are exercising "Adaptive worry", seeking "constructive action" to relieve themselves of unrealistic worrying. After all, it was parents who forced public health officials to "recommend" thimerosal be removed from childhood vaccines. It is parents who do not have access to the data banks of information that public health officials have refused to share with credible, independent, scientific researchers. What are they afraid of? Inquiring minds want to know.

I can understand why public health officials and vaccine manufacturers don't want to lift the rock by doing the toxicological research. After all, who wants to learn/discover they may be held responsible for having "poisoned and entire generation of American children?" Now there is a REASON to be PARALYZED BY FEAR.

Come on John, be a man. Don't be paralyzed by your own fear that you will lose some pharamceutical advertising dollars for ABC. Be courageous, demand the toxicological research be done, or at the very least, ASK YOUR EXPERT DR OFFITT WHY IT HAS NEVER BEEN DONE? Remind him that thimerosal was "grandfathered" in, and therefore avoided being required when the FDA was founded.

You do want parents to lose their "fear" of vaccinating their children, right? Take ten minutes and ask "Moms Against Mercury", "Generation Rescue", "A-CHAMP" what TOXICOLOGICAL research they require to calm their widespread and growing fears of universal childhood vaccines. How about demanding the CDC do a study of "vaccinated vs. unvaccinated" populations to ascertain, once and for all, that BOTH populations suffer the same percentages of autoimmune diseases?

Something that is Entirely Missed
In all the scare nonsense about what causes what disorders, there is one thing that *all* the studies miss.

Let's look at the link between dihydrogen monoxide exposure and autism, AIDS, ADD, ADHD, torrets', retardation, cancer, antisocial behavioral disorders, homosexuality, heterosexuality, gender-confusion, and, indeed, liberalism *and* conservatism.

*ALL* the "victims" of these disorders and pathologies... every last one of them... has been subjected to massive dihydrogen monoxide exposure!

Dihydrogen monoxide poisoning is making us stupider, harming us, and even *killing* us. And the government has been putting it municipal water supplies for decades!!


Stop dihydrogen monoxide poisoning now!!

Sad Situation
After seeing an Anti-vaccine bumper sticker, I indulged my curiosity and visited the site it endorsed. What I saw was very disturbing. The site's author (not coincidentally also the author of multiple books he was more than willing to sell on the subject (which I only mention for those who believe that all profit-motive is not to be trusted)) was treating vaccines as the ultimate lie of the medical profession towards society. He challenged not just the safety of vaccines, but also the very premise that a disease could be prevented by one, or even that diseases were caused by infections of viruses and bacteria (or at least the ones we thought they were). The sad part is that a glance at the testimonial page showed that there were hordes of ignorant mothers who were just eating it up.

That ignorance shows in many aspects of our society. Just a basic understanding of economics would be enough to show that trade-offs are the rule, not only in that field, but in most walks of life. Chemotherapy has the capacity to kill, but we use it because it aids us in the fight on cancer. Automobiles are noisy, smelly, and dangerous, but who among us would willingly give up the basic freedoms the car allows? We take that freedom for granted.

Vaccines are drugs. They have side-effects. They can damage quality of life, and they can even kill. Any doctor would tell you that. The part that anti-vaccine people deny is the vaccine's obvious efficacy in preventing disease. Polio was eliminated by the use of a vaccine.

I feel deeply sorry for people (and their loved ones) who have been harmed by vaccines, but I fail to see how it is preferable to be similarly damaged by the disease the vaccine was intended to combat.

The mercury militia has arrived!
Nancy writes: “Thimerosal damages dendrites at concentrations of less than 1 microgram.” If it’s dangerous to human nerve tissue, why don’t people who are exposed to thimerosal have more neurological problems than those who aren’t exposed? Not in the U.S., Denmark, Sweden, or Canada, anyway; maybe it’s different on the planet where you live.

Nancy goes on: “Paul Offit’s rotavirus vaccine was just pulled for the second time.” Nancy, I don’t think you’re very smart, but I don’t think you’re this dumb, either; I think you’re lying, and that’s not very sporting of you. For the record, Offit’s vaccine is perfectly safe – if anything, the record indicates it is protective against intussusception (note the spelling!) – it has NOT been "pulled," as you say, and he had nothing to do with the first rotavirus vaccine.

Nancy elaborates: “I know a boy whose biopsies show vaccine-strain measles lining his intestinal mucosa.” What a coincidence. I happen to know some laboratories that will report whatever you pay them to report.

Mercury Mike writes: “The underlying medical condition of autism is neuroinflammatory disease.” This is something he made up. Autistics have brains that are different morphologically, but it doesn’t come from inflammation, that’s just the way they’re born. Oh, by the way, it’s Johns Hopkins, not John Hopkins.

Mercury Mike then spouts a bunch of other hoo-hah that doesn’t do a thing to disprove the fact that people exposed to thimerosal in vaccines are statistically identical to, if not better off than, people who didn’t receive those vaccines. If he can somehow bend this to fit his idea, well, I guess I wouldn’t want to play him at Twister.

QuantumErik, who I guess is operating on a higher plane than the rest of us, appears to be trying to allege that the Institute of Medicine is in on the Giant Vaccine Conspiracy, which he can tell by the fact that the five most significant studies of thimerosal (which were selected on neutral, previously agreed-upon standards) all came down against his belief. The IOM looked at every dang thing the mercury people could think of to submit, and discussed in its report, at some length, why the anti-mercury stuff was worthless.

Trish, autism happens. If you feel bad that it might have been your genes that made your grandson that way, get therapy; don’t try to cope by wading way out of your depth in science.

Rmoffi is all angry about how there hasn’t been toxicological testing of thimerosal. Read amd think, man! If the stuff was bad for you, there would be more bad outcomes with it than without it. No lab test can get around that truth.

Liberty First has the answer! Let’s get rid of all the dihydrogen monoxide in our environment!

Dihydrogen monoxide is H2O, water
Joke is over. Let's use some of that dihydrogen monoxide, or water to clean up some of the dirty money that soils the media and the politicians. Yesterday's big tobacco is today's big Pharma.

Lenda
Before you mock those that are telling you the truth about mercury in vaccines, you possibly might want to research it yourself. They aren't lying to you. I never used to believe it either, until I got very, very sick. We're not getting mercury just from the vaccines either. Another big source is from fish. You know, you can have a heavy metals test to find out the levels in your own body. I did and I was shocked.

Just so you know, I do not believe in man-made global warming, or any of the other socialist mumbo-jumbo.

re: schaferatsprynet
schaferatsprynet wrote:

"Dihydrogen monoxide is H2O, water. Joke is over..."

>>>

You're wrong, I tell ya!! You're just another Big Water, government shill *AND* a dihydrogen-monoxide-poisoning denier to boot!!

It is not a joke!! Dihydrogen monoxide poisoning is *REAL*, the government has conspired to poison us with it, and *NO* amount of facts or evidence will *ever* convince me otherwise!!

Denying dihydrogen monoxide poisoning is the joke, you heartless nazi!!

;P

Telling me your vaccine...
...is poisoned with mercury doesn't tell me any more than telling me your table salt is poisoned with chlorine. The mercury is not in an elemental form, it is bound in a chemical compound. That compound might be dangerous, but it doesn't have to be just because it contains mercury.

The dose makes the poison
Studies that established the toxicity of mercury were mostly done on large-scale mercury exposures like that which happened after the Atomic Bomb. You'd have to practically swig the contents of a couple of old-style thermometers to get an equivalent dosage. A dot of thimerosal is nothing in comparison, as a drop of Everclear can't get you drunk.

If you drank a shot glass of mercury, that might just overwhelm your body's ability to excrete the toxin. But a microgram or so, at most, in a vaccine, is nothing. You can sober up from a glass of white wine, but three bottles of Everclear in a sitting will kill you.

Mondamay
Mercury is not good for you. Here is a bibliography of sources in case you are interested:

http://www.mercola.com/article/mercury/mercury_elimination2.htm

This article is primarily about the mercury in dental amalgams:
http://www.mercola.com/article/mercury/mercury_elimination.htm

More on heavy metals, such as mercury and its effect on your system:
http://tinyurl.com/2ehhpt

and more: (this one mentions vaccines and also autism)
http://mercuryexposure.org/index.php?article_id=39

Knock your socks off.

Sekhmet
You are getting mercury in today's world from a lot of sources, such as fish, dental amalgams and some in vaccines. The majority of it stays in your body until you do something to get it out, such as chelation.

Liberty
I think we are all in agreement that ELEMENTAL mercury is dangerous. We aren't talking about elemental mercury here. Mercury that is locked up in a compound will have totally different chemical properties than elemental mercury. A particular compound might still be dangerous, but it isn't a given.

This is also somewhat beside the point, because as so many people have pointed out already, the diseases in question have killed far more people than mercury poisoning has.

Mondamay
The links I gave you are to a very noted doctor in the field. If you want more information, you can start with the articles I gave you. If not, fine by me.

I am not saying that no one should get a vaccine, by the way. However, the sheer number of vaccines that are forced on children these days has gone through the roof. I question the need for that. Drug companies, after all, are in the business of making money. Just because they say it's good for you, does not necessarily mean it is true.

Do the tests
Mondayma writes: "Automobiles are noisy, smelly, and dangerous, but who among us would willingly give up the basic freedoms the car allows?

The key word being "willingly". Childhood vaccines are "coerced" if one wants their child to attend a public school. After all, the "herd" must be protected and tough nuggies on those who suffer damage doing their civic duty to protect the "herd". Unfortunately, some are now demanding our civic duty require girls as young as ten be vaccinated against a sexually transmitted disease so they will be protected against some in the "herd" who are sexually careless or promiscuous.

Additionally, if 1 in every 150 cars suddenly and inexplicably lost control of their brakes, we sure as hell would be demanding tests be done to ascertain why. Remember the recalled tires not so long ago? So, why not do the toxicological tests to determine why we suddenly began losing 1 in 150 kids to autism? 1 in 450 to juvenile diabetes? 1 in every 6 to some type of early childhood development problem, such as, allergies, asthmas, juvenile rheumatoid arthritis, ADD, ADHD, you get the picture. The US is 36th among developed nations in infant death mortality. Why?

Lenda writes: "rmoffi is all angry about how there hasn't been toxicological testing of thimerosal. Read and think, man! If the stuff was bad for you, there would be more bad outcomes with it than without. No lab test can get around that truth."

I am not "angry". I am merely asking the tests be done. You, on the other hand, appear angry that I ask. Why? Why such fierce resistance to doing the tests? Jeepers, you are so confident the stuff is harmless, YOU SHOULD BE DEMANDING THE TESTS BE DONE.

In response to your observation "if the stuff was bad for you, there would be more bad outcomes with it than without", I refer you to my answer above. If this stuff is so good, why are our kids so sick?

Sekhmet writes: "You'd have to practically swig the contents of a couple of old-style thermometers to get an equivalent dosage. A drop of thimerosal is nothing in comparison."

This sounds eerily similar to the early musings of Dr. Paul Offitt, that reknown "expert" on childhood vaccines, when asked to describe thimerosal stated, "it looks like lemon juice". Jeepers, anti-freeze looks like kool-aid. This same genius is on record stating his belief that a child's immune system is so strong it can safey absorb 10,000 vaccinations by 10 years of age. How many responders defending Stossel's column believe a child can receive 10,000 vaccines without any potential harm being done?

My friend, "drinking" a substance is far different than injecting that substance directly into the veins of babies. The human immune system has three natural defenses, digestion, lungs and skin. Vaccines evade all three natural defenses. Even so, do you believe it would be wise to "drink" "trace" amounts of formaldehyde, aluminum, mercury, phenoxyethanol, hydrochloric acid, bovine and human serum albumin, just SOME of the ingredients routinely found in childhood vaccines? And to drink them prior to the age of 6?

Who is scaring who?
First of all, anyone who chooses not to vaccinate with mercury containing vaccines does so not out of fear, but out of COMMON SENSE. The difference in the choices people make regardiong vaccines in general is whether or not they are lucky enough to KNOW MERCURY IS THERE....

Second, Who are the ones who are scared? The wonderful researchers and politicians who stand up for the rights of citizens to be able to choose mercury free vaccines, or those who are AFRAID TO LOSE - research dollars, campaign contributions, ADVERTISMENT DOLLARS (HINT HINT) etc. It is not hard for anyone with open eyes and open minds to see who it is that is afraid.

Third, from the Amercian Heritage Dictionary: "Lie - A false statement or piece of information deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood."

Everyone who is commenting on the harm from thimerosal are stating facts - taken from PEER REVIEWED INDEPENTANT RESEARCH.

You want to talk about honesty? Do you want to know what Paul Offit thinks of you? For a man who wants us all to believe without question all of what he says regarding vaccine safety, he holds an interesting viewpoint. One of the few
Thimerosal proponents willing to be interviewed, he is a quoted on page 406 of Evidence of Harm - Mercury in Vaccines and the Autism Epidemic: A Medical controversy. Speaking to David Kirby regarding the publishing of his book, Dr. Offit
says:

"Frankly, until Thimerosal is out of all vaccines, nobody's going to be comfortable, which is sad," he continued. "I think we scared people unnecessarily. And you did more harm than good in sort of, quote/unquote, allowing the parent to be fully informed. There's no politically correct way to say this, but being fully informed is not always the best thing. You can take that out of context and make me look like a jerk, but you know what I'm saying. You need to be appropriately informed. You need to have information in a context. That is what I think gets lost in all this."

I wonder why we are supposed to believe this doctor, one who holds the belief
that keeping people ignorant of the facts about vaccines is the best policy. Why is being fully informed not always the best thing? Because he knows that factual information about vaccines would be alarming to most people, and he would not want anything to scare people away from blindly following his advice.

Tim Kasemodel
Wayzata MN



Rotavirus 2007 Is this fear mongering?

FDA: Rotavirus vaccine may harm infants By ANDREW BRIDGES, Associated Press Writer
Tue Feb 13, 11:14 PM ET



WASHINGTON - The government warned on Tuesday of potentially life-threatening twisting of the intestines in infants vaccinated against a virus that is the leading cause of early childhood diarrhea. The condition, called intussusception, is the same that led to the withdrawal of the first rotavirus vaccine eight years ago.

The Food and Drug Administration said it was unknown whether the recently approved vaccine, called RotaTeq, caused the 28 new cases. The condition also can occur spontaneously. Indeed, the reports don't exceed the numbers expected to occur naturally each year — the so-called background rate, the FDA said.

"It looks like this is the natural background rate that we are seeing," said Dr. Michelle Goveia, medical director for pediatric medical affairs at the vaccine's manufacturer, Merck & Co. Inc. Goveia suggested heightened concerns about the previous vaccine, made by Wyeth, prompted the FDA to act.

In Tuesday's public health notification, the agency said it wanted in part to encourage reporting of any additional cases of intestinal twisting or blockage to help it assess any risks associated with the three-shot vaccine series. It also said the vaccine's label would mention the cases of intussusception.

"It's a known serious, life-threatening adverse event that is being seen at an expected level postmarketing. But because it is so serious, we asked the company to change the label," FDA spokeswoman Karen Riley said.

Dr. Paul Offit, the vaccine's co-inventor, said the 28 reports were well below the hundreds of cases one would expect naturally. He suggested the FDA wanted to "shake the tree" for more reports about the vaccine.

"I am actually encouraged by those data: 28 cases, when you would have expected at least 500 cases, that is really reassuring," said Offit, of the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. "I don't see how those numbers suggest something's awry. If anything, they suggest nothing's awry."

The 28 cases included 16 infants who required intestinal surgery. There have been no reports of deaths.

RotaTeq received FDA approval in February 2006. At the time, the FDA and Merck said trials of the vaccine involving nearly 70,000 infants indicated it did not increase the risk of intussusception. But Merck and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are conducting follow-up studies of tens of thousands more infants to track any long-term effects of the vaccine. The FDA also is monitoring reports.

About 3.5 million doses of the Merck vaccine have been distributed in the U.S., though not all have been used, the FDA said.

The earlier rotavirus vaccine, Wyeth's RotaShield, was pulled from the U.S. market in 1999 after it was linked to a small increase in intussusception. It had been on the market a year.

In the United States, rotavirus sickens about 2.7 million children younger than 5, sends up to 70,000 to the hospital and causes 20 to 70 deaths each year.

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On the Net:

Food and Drug Administration notification on RotaTeq: http://www.fda.gov/cber/safety/phnrota021307. htm


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Post vaccination seizures in 1998 born
Okay, statistically speaking, what would be a concerning figure for rate of post vaccination seizures in a group of children all getting kindergarten booster shots?

In a class of 72(43 of them male) suburban NY presently in 3rd grade, so birth year 1998, 21 had seizures post kindergarten booster shots. These are neurotypical children, all male, all diagnosed presently with one or more LD labels:

ADD
ADHD
CAPD
Diabetes
Asthma
Severe anaphylactic allergies
Motor impairment
Apraxia
Coordination disorder

In my estimation, that is nearly 50% of that particular age group. Sure puts the spin on no adverse effect from vaccinations.

By the way, all seizures were within 14-17 days of the vaccines. So truly within study parameters of reportable event.

WAKE UP SHEEPLE our children are being snowballed into poor health. Somebody is going to make a fortune off these 21 boys. No wonder the college admission rates for males has been steadily declining over the past several years. Take a look at the statistics of college campuses and male to female ratio. The ones going in since 2004 are the full dosed fully vaccinated group of kids, where are all the boys? Well they aren't in college thats for sure.

This is foolish
To think that vaccines cause autism is simply foolish, there is no proof to that and these studies they throw at us are crap too, here are a few examples.
1. Last year there was a study on M.S and who is most vunerable, the only conclusion they came to os that M.S affects American women of European decent, there was no mention of any findings or informatin on the illness itself.
2.The whole global warming thing, global warming is natural and all of these scientists who claim that it's real are fools, 30 years ago they thought the next ice age was coming, what's next?
Are they going to say that the Earth has to much grass or dirt and that it's going to kil us all? Vaccines are not a threat, they do not cause autism, they have helped us wipe out diseases such as polio and small pox in our country which are making a small combeck in the deep south because of illegal immigration but that's another topic, all of this hsyteria crap is way out of control, the only real threat to us right now is terrorism and the Islamic facists. Come on people figure it out, come back to reality.

Mercury Mike
None of the journals you cited are prestigious or well-known.Why are these papers being published in such obscure journals?Almost certainly they were presented to the more respected ones.Why were they rejected?Were there methodological flaws?Are the authors known to conduct shoddy research?Real groundbreaking research always will find its way into the mainstream medical literature- The New England Journal of Medicine, Annals of Internal Medicine,Gastroenterology, etc.This gives their research instant credibility as these journals,or at least used to,be highly selective in what the accepted for publication- rejecting the great majority.They have a rigorous peer-review process.When I read the literature in my own field(gastroenterology),I stick to the established well-respected journals,as they have high standards.Journals in the second tier will publish most papers,a third tier journal will publish anything.

Do the research
Gasman writes: "To think that vaccines cause autism is simply foolish, there is no proof to that......

Well, do you at least admit there is an epidemic of autism, latest figure 1 in 150 kids up from previous 1 in 166 kids. Proof of these numbers are the prestigious CDC itself. So, "something" must be causing autism, no? "Something" is also causing 1 in every 6 American kids to have a childhood development problem, again, number supplied by the CDC. If you think an epidemic of autism that goes unchecked is not going to affect you, then you are sadly mistaken, because EVERY SCHOOL IN THIS COUNTRY IS BEING INNUNDATED WITH SPECIAL EDUCATION NEEDS. NURSES WHO AT ONE TIME TOOK A CHILD'S TEMPERATURE OR APPLIED A BANDAID, NOW MUST BE TRAINED TO ADMINISTER EMERGENCY TREATMENT FOR CHILDREN WHO HAVE LIFE THREATENING ALLERGIC REACTIONS OR GO INTO DIABETIC SHOCK. WHO WILL PAY FOR THESE LIFE-LONG DISABLED CHILDREN? IN THE LONG RUN, YOU MY FRIEND.

People, like myself, who believe vaccines may be that illusive "something" only ask that toxicological research be done to ascertain what happens to a child's immune system when he is given up to seven vaccines in a single visit? No one KNOWS (least of all the pediatrician)for certain what happens when these vaccines are given in combination with others. Common sense suggests we SHOULD know, no?

Gasman writes: "Real groundbreaking research will find its way into the mainstream medical literature....This gives their research instant credibility as these journals, or at least used to be, highly selective in what the publication accepted."

Key phrase "used to be".

In any event, where is all the "groundbreaking reserach literature" that has tested the toxic consequences of thimerosal (mercury) and found it completely harmless? There is none. NADA.

It is precisely because there is a complete absence of toxicological research on thimerosal in prestigious medical journals that it must be done!!! Surely such critical research would be welcome by the "prestigious medical journals" since thimerosal lies at the heart of the controversy over vaccines and autism.

Again, all we ask is do the damn toxicological research. I would love to learn my grandson's autism was "caused" by something other than his vaccines. I cannot help him unless/until I learn what has "caused" his autism. If it is NOT vaccines, THANK GOD.

Gasman - Mercury Mike
GASMAN - Instead of discrediting the following journals without justification, could you explain why you ASSUME that the studies were rejected by your "esteemed and well respected Journals"? It would seem that the studies referred to would be published in them because of their specific relation to each Journal's area of expertise.

Besides GASMAN, I believe the Environmental Health Perspectives is a publication of the National Institutes of Health.......no "second tier" group.....


Annals of Neurology
Journal of Neuroinflamation
Environmental Health Perspectives
Neurotoxicology
Toxicol. Appl. Pramacol
Neuropsychiatr Genetics

I also remind you of a great quote that goes something like this: "It is hard to get someone to understand something when their salary depends on then NOT understnading it"....

Seems to me a Gastroenterologist might have a bias when it comes to believing that the medical profession may be wrong about thimerosal....

Tim Kasemodel
Wayzata, MN

Ignorant
I catch the debate over "to vaccinate, or not to vaccninate" from time to time, but for the most part, I am ignorant of the details on either side.

That said, as a parent, I am much more comfortable having had my children vaccinated against diseases that are KNOWN to harm than worrying about the harm that MAY be caused by vaccines. I personally consider a parent that chooses to not vaccinate foolish, but I do agree with the anti-vaccine parents that they should have the choice to put their children at risk as long as that decision does not have negative health consequences for others.

No shades of gray
Vaccine opponents are unconvinced. After my recent TV program "Scared Stiff," they have filled my mailbox with comments like, "how long will you keep sucking pharmaceutical ----?!" Calmer correspondents tell me they "know" that vaccines caused their child's autism. "Nothing else could have done it."

There is nothing in between, is there? No sensible abstainers or thinkers. You picked at the same end of the rope. Stupid runs both ways. A non-evaluative approach to something you stick in your kid is stupid.

I haven't had a shot since I was 9. I ran to the bathroom and hid until shot day was over. I'm 45, I live in a huge urban area. I have 6 kids.


We aren't sick. We are never sick. It's a money maker. How do you people not see that?

Ask the kid who got the "vaccinia" from his dad's smallpox shot. Another Bush fiasco.

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