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Tuesday, March 04, 2008
John McCain :: Townhall.com Columnist
John McCain's Remarks Upon Securing the Republican Nomination
by John McCain
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ARLINGTON, VA -- U.S. Senator John McCain's presidential campaign today released the following remarks by John McCain as prepared for delivery tonight in Dallas, Texas:

Thank you. Thank you, Texas, Ohio, Vermont and Rhode Island. I am very grateful for the broad support you have given our campaign. And I am very pleased to note that tonight, my friends, we have won enough delegates to claim with confidence, humility and a sense of great responsibility that I will be the Republican nominee for President of the United States.

I want to thank all of you here and all the Republicans, Independents, and independent thinking Democrats, in all parts of this great country, who supported our campaign for the nomination, and have brought us across the finish line first, an accomplishment that once seemed to more than a few doubters unlikely.

I want to commend again, my friend, Governor Mike Huckabee, and his supporters, for their passionate commitment to their campaign that Governor Huckabee so ably represented. And I want to thank all my former rivals for the nomination and their supporters for their steadfast dedication to keeping America free, safe, prosperous, and proud.

And, of course, I want to thank my family: my wife, Cindy; my children, and our dear friends who have been throughout this campaign, and will remain in the challenging months ahead, an unwavering source of support and love.

Now, we begin the most important part of our campaign: to make a respectful, determined and convincing case to the American people that our campaign and my election as President, given the alternatives presented by our friends in the other party, are in the best interests of the country we love. I have never believed I was destined be President. I don't believe anyone is pre-destined to lead America. But I do believe we are born with responsibilities to the country that has protected our God-given rights, and the opportunities they afford us. I did not grow up with the expectation that my country owed me more than the rights owed every American. On the contrary, I owe my country every opportunity I have ever had. I owe her the meaning that service to America has given my life, and the sense that I am part of something greater than myself, part of a kinship of ideals that have always represented the last, best hope of mankin d.

I understand the responsibilities I incur with this nomination, and I give you my word, I will not evade or slight a single one. Our campaign must be, and will be more than another tired debate of false promises, empty sound-bites, or useless arguments from the past that address not a single American's concerns for their family's security. Presidential candidates are judged on their records, their character and the whole of their life experiences. But we are also expected to concentrate our efforts on the challenges that will confront America on our watch and explain how we intend to address them.

America is at war in two countries, and involved in a long and difficult fight with violent extremists who despise us, our values and modernity itself. It is of little use to Americans for their candidates to avoid the many complex challenges of these struggles by re-litigating decisions of the past. I will defend the decision to destroy Saddam Hussein's regime as I criticized the failed tactics that were employed for too long to establish the conditions that will allow us to leave that country with our country's interests secure and our honor intact. But Americans know that the next President doesn't get to re-make that decision. We are in Iraq and our most vital security interests are clearly involved there. The next President must explain how he or she intends to bring that war to the swiftest possible conclusion without exacerbating a sectarian conflict that could quickly descend into genocide; destabilizing the entire Middle East; enabling our adversaries in the region to extend their influence and undermine our security there; and emboldening terrorists to attack us elsewhere with weapons we dare not allow them to possess.

The next President must encourage the greater participation and cooperation of our allies in the fight against al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan.

The next President must lead an effort to restructure our military, our intelligence, our diplomacy and all relevant branches of government to combat Islamic extremism, encourage the vast majority of moderates to win the battle for the soul of Islam, and meet the many other rising challenges in this changing world.

I will leave it to my opponent to argue that we should abrogate trade treaties, and pretend the global economy will go away and Americans can secure our future by trading and investing only among ourselves. We will campaign in favor of seizing the opportunities presented by the growth of free markets throughout the world, helping displaced workers acquire new and lasting employment and educating our children to prepare them for the new economic realities by giving parents choices about their children's education they do not have now.

I will leave it to my opponent to claim that they can keep companies and jobs from going overseas by making it harder for them to do business here at home. We will campaign to strengthen job growth in America by helping businesses become more competitive with lower taxes and less regulation.

I will leave it to my opponent to propose returning to the failed, big government mandates of the sixties and seventies to address problems such as the lack of health care insurance for some Americans. I will campaign to make health care more accessible to more Americans with reforms that will bring down costs in the health care industry down without ruining the quality of the world's best medical care.

And I will campaign to reduce our dangerous dependence on foreign oil with an energy policy that encourages American industry and technology to make our country safer, cleaner and more prosperous by leading the world in the use, development and discovery of alternative sources of energy.

These are some of the challenges that confront us. There are others just as urgent, and during this campaign I'll travel across the country in cities and rural areas, in communities of all ethnic backgrounds and income levels, offering my ideas and listening to the concerns and advice of Americans. Americans aren't interested in an election where they are just talked to and not listened to; an election that offers platitudes instead of principles and insults instead of ideas; an election that results -- no matter who wins -- in four years of unkept promises and a government that is just a battleground for the next election. Their patience is at an end for politicians who value ambition over principle, and for partisanship that is less a contest of ideas than an uncivil brawl over the spoils of power.

Nothing is inevitable in America. We are the captains of our fate. We're not a country that prefers nostalgia to optimism; a country that would rather go back than forward. We're the world's leader, and leaders don't pine for the past and dread the future. We make the future better than the past. We don't hide from history. We make history. That, my friends, is the essence of hope in America, hope built on courage, and faith in the values and principles that have made us great. I intend to make my stand on those principles and chart a course for our future greatness, and trust in the judgment of the people I have served all my life. So stand up with me, my friends, stand up and fight for America -- for her strength, her ideals, and her future. The contest begins tonight. It will have its ups and downs. But we will fight every minute of every day to make certain we have a government that is as capable, wise, brave and decent as the great people we serve. That is our responsibility and I will not let you down.

Thank you.

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John McCain is a candidate for the nomination of the Republican Party for President of the United States.

If McCain Wants To Win


It's really up to Sen. McCain. If he wants our votes, he has to earn them.

He said he heard us after the last amnesty fight. He heard two things right. We want the border secured and we don't trust them. There apparently was alot he didn't hear.

He hired Juan Hernandez, who represents foreign nationals illegally in our country as his hispanic outreach, instead of reaching out to someone from "You Don't Speak For Me" a group of citizens of hispanic descent who oppose illegal aliens.

He said a couple of weeks ago he would sign McCain/Kennedy if it were put on his desk.


If he wants my vote, there are a couple of things he could do.
1. Publicly dismiss and disavow Juan Hernandez and the Reconquista for which he stands.
2. Apologize for conspiring in secret with La Raza and Ted Kennedy and trying to jam amnesty down our throats.
3. Pledge to veto ANY amnesty bill.
4. Pledge to enforce the laws, including deportation, which is the penalty for illegal aliens.

It's up to Sen. McCain, he can represent the interests of American citizens and uphold the rule of law or he can continue to court the favor of liberals and illegal aliens.

I will not vote for the latter.


Crapper John and the Metamucil
Express. Oh, joy!

Bilderbergers 1, People 0.

Victory words
"He says in his victory speech:

Their [Americans] patience is at an end for politicians who value ambition over principle"

Considering the source.

God bless you, Mr. McCain.
May He give you the vision needed to lead our country.

Who gives a goddam, Johnny?
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Get busy on your concession speech, schmuck.

You'll be delivering it at about 10:00 PM (Eastern) on November 4th, having achieved the culmination of your sad and spineless career in abject betrayal of your party, the conservative movement, and the nation.



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"I'd love to be remembered as a Goldwater Republican. But I dont pretend in any way to live up to the legacy of the man who literally changed the face of politics in America."

-- John McCain

It'll NEVER happen
Wobbie the Wetard sribbled @ 11:42 PM:

"And soon President of The United States"


There's NO WAY IN HELL that McCain will win in November unless he picks a VERY Conservative running mate.
And you can take that to the bank.
He's betrayed too many people in the party over too many years, and we're NOT going to forget it any time soon.


McCain has NOT secured the nomination.
The following site has the break down of delegates for each candidate with the pledged and unpledged delegates:

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/R-PU.phtml

Not all states guarantee the delegates. In Ohio, for example, none of the delegates are pledged to vote for the winner of the popular election. This site does not include the results from Texas, but McCain still only has 891 pledged delegates. Even if he takes every delegate from Texas (it is not a winner-take-all state), he would fall well short of the 1191 total required to win the nomination.

delegates
khomar-Who else is there? Doesn't he win if noone else is still running?

Open letter to Sen. McCain
I first became aware of you when you backing or proposing some scheme to close a non-existant gunshow loop hole.

I was not then or since been favoribly impressed by you. Then there was incumbant protection act, aka Campaign Finance reform.

You have shown that you have little respect for the first two ammendments of our Constitution. I gotta wonder how little you may think of the rest of it.

Frankly, when I look at your Dem rivals, I sadly realize I will have to put a mark by your name come November.
Please understand, this is not a vote for you. It is a vote against your opponent.
Sadly, that is the way I usually vote, always against, never for.
In my living memory, there has not been a politician I would trust with my life or the silverware.


ACP
Ron Paul IS still running (though the press has all but ignored him). Also, Romney has not technically dropped out of the race, from my understanding. He has only suspended his campaign meaning that he can re-enter it at any point.

Robert
I do not understand you derision of the "nutty right". Is it possible that you do not value the constitution, fiscal responsibility, lower taxes, and limited government? Are these values really so strange to support?

Truly, it is you that I pity, for you do not realize that the path you are so gleefully embracing will one day destroy you and everyone else in this country. We simply cannot continue to spend money like it grows on trees on not expect a payback someday. Every empire comes to an end, and we are rapidly approaching ours. Ignoring the values and tenants of the "nutty right" is exactly what got us into the mess we are in today: $9 trillion in debt with $59 trillion in future obligations that our children's children will be paying off.

Too many typos
It is clearly time to call it a night. Goodnight everyone. Pray for the future of our country, because I believe it will be a long dark road before she returns to the light again.

Thanks for posting!
I fell asleep while he was delivering this speech and wanted to be sure I didn't miss anything worth hearing.

Robert, come on
The "nutty right" is the only political faction that thinks it has the answers? Every politician and every political party thinks it has the answers. Geez, get over yourself.

Robert
(I should have gone to bed, but....)

"The best value of a generation is to pass on an America better then how they found it and in the subject of taxes...deficts dont do it."

Absolutely, positively, YES!

And this is why I cannot support McCain. Just like Obama and Clinton (though granted, probably no where near as badly), he will look to create new government programs and therefore spending. A recent survey by the National Taxpayers Union determined that McCain would INCREASE government spending by $9 billion annually.

Ron Paul, on the other hand, would decrease spending by at least $150 billion every year -- a much needed change toward fiscal responsibility. He has vowed to veto any unbalanced budget that crossed his desk. No one else has made such a pledge, and Ron Paul's record shows that he is a man of his word.

Am I nutty to want to elect such a man? The election is not yet done despite what the media tries to force-feed us. While there is still a chance, I will continue to cling to hope and encourage others to do the same.

Robert
"dark and with the end of the ARbusto era we are going back into the light..."

I would like to think so as well, but we have yet to pay our dues. Our debt (both personal and national) looms before us as the value of the dollar continues its steady decline. Our country is in a recession (despite the claims by our President to the contrary) and may very well be in a full blown depression by the end of the year with rapid inflation. We need to pay back all of the good times we have had on borrowed time, and it appears that this year might just be the year the payback begins. Nothing is free as we will soon discover.

If you haven't already, I would strongly encourage you to store up some food (six months or enough to get you by until you can raise your own) and possibly buy some gold and silver (coins in hand) just in case. Believe me, if what is being predicted by some of the economists comes to pass, you will be very glad that you did.

Khomar
WOBBIE(Robert) IS NOT A REPUBLICAN!!
He's nothing more than an ARROGANT and CONDESCENDING Hillary shill who's been on Townhall for a long time pretending to be everything under the sun that you can think of, Helicopter and Airplane Pilot, Airlines Flight Instructor, Airplane Mechanic, Law Enforcement Officer, LAW Enforcement teacher.
And he does all these things here, physically in the Continental U.S., while he's deployed in Iraq.

He also claims to be a "Captain" and "Aviator" in the US Navy(doing "Night patrols" in Iraq). Yet never misses an opportunity to disrespect, in these threads, not only his Commander in Chief, but all of the other civilian leaders, as well as all current and veteran members of the United States Armed Forces.
He also cna't name the color codes of the armaments that a "Naval Aviator" MUST know if he's going to be carrying, and possibly using them.
He claims to have or be very close to having a Doctorate(PhD) Degree, but won't say in what.
If you read his posts you'll see that his spelling, writing, CORRECT word usage, and grammar skills aren't even up to third grade level.
For that matter my SIX YEAR OLD GRANDSON can do all of those things better than Wobbie.

He's also always "writing a paper."
His latest and most current pretense is that of a "Moderate" or "Centrist" Republican supporting McAmnesty, when if you read most of his posts, you can see that like everything else he's been, a McAmnesty supporter is only another pretense of his.

Marines' Dad
Thanks for the heads up. :-)

I was starting to wonder.

Robert
Do not say that you were not warned.

Robert,
At one time, until about 30 years ago, most Americans were comfortable, even proud of being average. Even the affluent people I knew never considered owning a car other than a Ford or Chevy. A very few people around town owned Cadillacs, and they were considered to be "ostentatious." To own a Mercedes would have been the epitome of snobbishness.

I don't think that's at all true anymore. Look at the people whose McMansions are in foreclosure. They bought way more house than they could afford, in part, I think, because they wanted to project affluence, even though many have average jobs and average household income.

America has become a Lake Woebegone, where everyone drinks $4 lattes and believes they are above average. America has become elitist, and the Democrat Party is their affiliation of choice.

Robby
12:25 am
“The nutty right are people who dont understand that "consensus" is what American politics is all about. Everyone is for lower taxes (OK not everyone but most)...but what we have had the last 7 years is nuts.”

Don’t look too hard for those consensus builders on the other, left side. (aka Barry, Hillary, Nan, Harry, Durbin, Ted , Russ, Chuck, Pat et al).

John Continues the Standup Comedy

“That is our responsibility and I will not let you down.” … John “The Traitor” McCain

Laughable.

Here the guy has usurped the Constitution with his Treasonous actions where he violated the first amendment and attacked others, and he has the audacity to tell us “he won’t let us down”.

If that is not enough proof to prove this guy is 100% senile, then God help you people.

John The Senile Clueless One

“I understand the responsibilities I incur with this nomination, and I give you my word, I will not evade or slight a single one.” … John “The Traitor” McCain

Gee Johnny boy, did you not already break your oath to defend and protect the Constitution of this country when you wrote and helped to get McCain / Feingold passed that took our first amendment rights from us.

Here is more proof the guy is blatantly lying before even close to being elected as president.

More proof this guy is 100% senile.

Weaping on the right
McCain goes to get his endorsement from Bush tomorrow. Nice, cute, and imaginative. The problem has been with McCain, a certain arrogance and disrespect that always seemed to come through. Think I’m being overly harsh to the man? (who carried his own suitcase once at the airport) Many on "the right" have been engaged since the mid-late nineties to build the grassroots of conservatives. They’ve been organizing and taking on issues.

This while McCain styled, profiled for, and plotted his run, and within the institutional elite senate – which hasn’t done us all that many favors over recent years. Still I’m not the harsh one.

Nothing short of full-blown idiot that is John McCain called the evangelicals and others on the right “agents of intolerance” in 2000 – and then dismissed them. Those on the right who have rallied to this party, supported it, and been part of the reason for Republican’s success, he discounts as agents of intolerance. What a nut case. I could not imagine a similar remark about the far left from one of the Democrat candidates. They would not be such an idiot as to attack their own base.


Recently, Richard Viguerie put it in context:
“The time has come for conservatives to move on, to shift priorities, and to work to elect conservatives at all levels now and in the years to come.

For too long, conservatives have done most of the work necessary to elect Republican candidates, but, once elected, most of those Republicans have ignored conservatives’ concerns or have opposed conservatives outright.”

Yea, he thanks us now -- prematurely of course.

great speech
Such a difference between MCCain's words and either of the two Dems

I agree
Great speech by John McCain!

He's completely stepping up now - to become the leader his life has forced him to become. John McCain's character, resilience is tested beyond what most people could imagine.

I was a sincere skeptic of McCain; but McCain's making me a believer in him now. The thoughts McCain is communicating are impressive. I know McCain's positions, values are not just words, but what his exceptional life has taught him - the utmost sincerety.

The Intentional Absence
"I want to thank all of you here and all the Republicans, Independents, and independent thinking Democrats, in all parts of this great country, who supported our campaign for the nomination, and have brought us across the finish line first, an accomplishment that once seemed to more than a few doubters unlikely."

Do you really think his neglect of conservative voters wasn't intentional? He is after all our nation's most liberal Republican In Name Only (RINO).

Like or not...
John McCain is our candidate like it or not. I certainly wouldn't vote for Obama or Hillary. Abstaining from voting as a protest is shear folly.

McCain isn't the Conservative's choice but he's the one that we must support. When he get's into the WH then we will need to hold his feet to the fire on conservative issues.

It is time to stop bashing McCain. It only gives ammunition to the Left.

We had our chance to choose now its time to act like adults.

elect conservatives to congress
'And I will campaign to reduce our dangerous dependence on foreign oil with an energy policy that encourages American industry and technology to make our country safer, cleaner and more prosperous by leading the world in the use, development and discovery of alternative sources of energy.'
He does not mention discovery of oil in this country, also I wonder if he is open to construction of coal fired plants and nuclear powered plants.

It's funny, one of the biggest issues today, immigration, did not merit a mention in his speech very telling. George Soros wins, he sponsored Mccain and the two democrats.

hardnox
I have to respectfully disagree with you. I'm not going to hurl insults and call you names, I respect the reasoning behind your decision. I will not vote for Hillary, Obama or Mccain . I will vote third party or a write in, not a wasted vote; I will be at the polls voting for any conservative on any ballot. I'll be sending money to conservatives.
I'll break out my broken record and say 41 conservative senators can block any socialist legislation or judicial nominations (they will fall in line if a republican encourages that legislation). Conservative governors can display conservative principals in action and give a good example of a conservative executive leader. Conservative state legislators can legislate conservative laws and tax plans and lead by example. Senator Mccain, Barak Obama, and Hillary Clinton are bad news, but we can mitigate the damage by surrounding the new president with conservatives in congress.
Thanx Bill

robert is very exclusionary
people like you are why the pilgrims and others fled religious persecution in Europe to found this country. Consensus means very little. It is obivious that you like the nuttty liberals I met last night are all about doing everything in the world to bring back the great society of LBJ. It failed once and gave us the Reagan Revolution. It will fail now. McCain has little chance of being elected without the right wing of the party and if their concerns are not addressed then he will go down in flames and we not him will be the prisoners of war for 4 years.

I agree with billg64
I moved on to better things as soon as it looked like McCain would be the nominee. It is far better to put our energy into local/regional races, than waste time on a loser like McCain. If you do not already have good candidates for Congress, recruit some. McCain does not deserve our support.

McCain cannot win, no purpose is served by supporting his campaign with your votes. Besides, it's not over until the convention votes are counted. There is still a slim hope that there will be enough principled delegates to stop McCain before he further damages our country.

VP
I would really like to see a McCain/Huckabee ticket running this fall.

I think we will see an Obama/Clinton or worse yet - a Clinton/Clinton ticket.






My friends...
Thank you, my friends. I just want to say thanks for voting for a far left libera--- uh, no... Hold on there. Wait a minute!

My friends, and especially my favorite friend, Ted Kennedy...

My friends, blah, blah, blah...

Dear Robert
Robert, not sure what you mean with your frequent references to the "nutty far right." I was a life-time voting Dem, and a pretty liberal one, until about three years ago when I woke up and saw that we were about to cede the lower third of this country to Mexico. It's a country my father fought for in WWII and a country I care about. Then I realized that the Dems were solidly behind throwing open our doors to anyone who wanted to enter at whatever risk. So I switched camps. Now, unfortunately, I see that the Republicans have selected a candidate with similar beliefs. I don't support McCain, and won't support McCain. And it's not because I come from some nutty faction. I'm just a voter with some principles who can't support the election of a man who has sneered at the first and second amendments, banded with crackpots who support Global Warming legislation, and SAID he supports national security without appreciating the role our borders play in that security. Furthermore, I think his own role as a POW leaves him uniquely unprepared to do what has to be done with respect to coerced interrogation and prosecution of terrorists. So call me nutty, I guess. And while I'm at it, Robert -- you're a frequent poster here, but seemingly the only one with your particular viewpoint. To suppose, then, that us "nuts" are in the minority is perhaps -- um, a bit nutty?

DeGeGrw
and maybe a Mccain/Clinton ticket or Clinton/Mccain ticket.

I do not think Obama has a death wish, therefor he can not have a Clinton VP.

Does he have a choice?
Yes, if elected, I do think Clinton will do away with Obama.

But, does he really have a choice about VP -that is, if Clinton allows the nomination he has won?

Jim Bowie says The great society failed
We are nearing the end of what almost everyone would have to admit is a failed presidecy. By some estimates the war in Iraq will cost the American taxpayer 2 trillion dollars. Afganistan, the war we should be in and need to win is not going well in part because of the resources that have been divered to Iraq. The surge is bring the greater stability, but the political progress is not happening. Just a portion of the cost of this war could have fixed social security for another 1/2 century. Failure to regulate the banking industry has resulted in a mortgage crisis that threatens to bring down the economy. Meanwhile the CEO of these companies are walking away with record bonuses and big tax cuts thanks to GWB.

Everyone in the country worries and rightly so when a natural disaster happens will they be in their own, Conservatives had their chance in power and they made a mess of things. The next president and congress will have a lot to do just trying to fox the mess created by conservative governance. Believe what you want to believe, but if you are put in change and you make a mess of things why should you not be replaced by people with other ideas. As conservaties what are you most proud of during the last 8 years. Iraq, Tax cuts for the wealthly, Katrina, Terri Schiavo, Banking Reform, etc? If you can't answer mabye its time to change your ideology.


McCain & Robert
As far as McCain goes - if enough people beat on their Congressmen and Senators, the Republican Convention might be managed to some extent. The Super-Delegates have a serious say in what happens at the Convention. Call them and the RNC every day and raise hell. Couldn't hurt and may do some good. Until the Convention makes it so; or McCain gets signed committments from three hundred or so more delegates he is not yet "the anointed". That is just the facts.

If McCain wants folks such as myself to even consider him, he needs to call Duncan Hunter, JC Watts, Jim DeMint, Jeff Flake, John Linder - whichever real conservative that might be willing to stand as his VP nomination and beg one of them to help him out. Mitt or Huck, or some other pretend-conservative, ain't gonna do it.

Myself and millions of other folks lived through Jimmy "the Grin" Carter and his betrayals & assaults on American freedoms. However - the Democrats and RINO's need to understand that past a certain point we will not be victimized with impunity.

As far as consensus and compromise go - three RINO's and a Conservative were discussing lunch. After a consensus and a compromise the RINO's decide to cannibalize the Conservative. Note - this particular consensus amd compromise proposition depends on the conservative not having a Colt .45 ACP in his possesion. In my fairytale the RINO's miss lunch; and supper and breakfast and so on & so on - - - hey, it's my damn fairytale. The Moral to this tale is that the Conservative finally realizes that the RNC and the Republican Party are a dead issue for Conservatives; the Conservative then finds a new Party to hang out with. That may be our only option folks. Your choice.

Keep your powder dry and one eye on your six, folks -

and I quote:
"Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you"
Benjamin Franklin

Regards,
Dwain Cleveland


jmo51
I've never heard those talking points before, is their a candidate that is running on those premises? Phooey!
Things are going well in Iraq! Our soldiers are proud and sometimes even bored. They are ready to go to Afghanistan and do what needs to be done there. I have not seen any evidence that Afghanistan is in danger of falling to any other forces.
Socialized Security could be fixed many ways, elimination of the program is a wonderful cure. Didn't you hear New Orleans was not done in by the global warming induce hurricane Katrina, bush put on some scuba gear and blew up the levies after he returned from imploding the WTC.

Those talking points are old and weak, at least get on the bandwagon and start using more modern Bush bashing points. Recession Recession, NAFTA bad NAFTA bad (until I'm elected) No political gains in Iraq free health care for all with fairies to pay for it ladeeda tax the rich screw the poor.
Hope I helped
Bill

similarities
After looking at the front page, this election is starting to seem like a bad episode of "Jacka$$", the TV show.

McCain will NOT get my vote
I do think Ron Paul or Alan Keyes (heard he may go indepenent)will get much more support with what we have right now to choose from. I have to vote my values and principles. As I stated before, you get more of what you vote for and I'm not holding my nose any longer.

I am on the right side
and my support goes to Sen McCain. yes he has done things that I don't like. but of all the candidates that are still in the race, he is by far the most qualified.

To production engineer, I do keep my powder dry...



''The disasters that would flow...''
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"...from...an Obama presidency need no elaboration. However, a leftist Obama regime would galvanize and unite Republican and conservative (perhaps even some moderate) opposition. As the Clintons discovered when they floated 'HillaryCare,' radical-left proposals don't sell well in America. I suspect that Obama would be able to accomplish far less of his agenda than he would want or that liberty lovers might fear.

"The disasters that would flow forth from...a McCain presidency are less obvious on their face, but perhaps as far-reaching or even more so. There is a kind of 'ratchet' mechanism in politics and governance: Once you move down a certain path, it becomes exceedingly difficult if not impossible to move back. For example, the commitment of both major parties to maintaining and expanding the system of middle-class 'entitlements' has made challenges to it almost impossible, politically speaking. Even instituting private savings accounts, which would allow individuals to opt out of governmental health care and pensions, has so far proved to be a political dead end. So, what happens if the GOP at the national level - after eight years of ratifying 'compassionate conservatism' - signs onto radical environmentalist premises regarding global warming and domestic energy production, or onto anti-corporate business-bashing, even in violation of the Bill of Rights? Who, then, remains to defend the remnants of capitalism and to oppose further statist depredations?

"To attain and maintain political power, liberal Republicans historically have been able to count on automatic conservative support, based on shared opposition to liberal Democrat enemies. But it's a one-way street of support: The McCains and Specters and Chafees, once entrenched in political office, do their damnedest to undermine the agendas of anyone to their right."

-- Robert James Bidinotto

See: http://bidinotto.journalspace.com/ for the full article and more

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Hydrogen Production Engineer
Well said and everyone should be on their Congressmen and Senators anyway. Most certainly they should do it despite who is elected or we will get amnesty and a bunch of new taxes shoved down our throat.

Participation is the key! Your responsibility does not end with your vote it only just begins.

Robert - Enough of this ''Master" crap
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McCain was a naval aviator, a "mud-mover."

There's no indication at all that he ever qualified as a deck officer to stand a watch in command of a ship at sea, or that he's ever held a Master's license issued by the U.S. Coast Guard.

His only command experience was as the CO of VA-174, a stateside A-7 *TRAINING* squadron (1976). He has never held a combat command, and subsequent to the completion of that non-combat tour of duty he was assigned to nothing more than liaison roles, which made it clear that despite having been allowed to attend the National War College (1973-74) he was never again going to be assigned another command slot appropriate to his rank.

By 1981, it was retire or get RIF'd.

I don't care if you want to keep sucking and spewing all your bilge about how much you love this "Keating Five" clown, but the "Master and Commander" bullpuckey has gotta go.

You claim to be ex-Navy? My left hind cheek!





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"All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

-- H.L. Mencken


for billg64
billg64 says: "I'll break out my broken record and say 41 conservative senators can block any socialist legislation or judicial nominations (they will fall in line if a republican encourages that legislation). "

And I'm going to break out MY broken record and remind you that if Obama wins a landslide, he may well bring in 60 Democrat Senators (a filibuster-proof majority) on his coattails. Even if he falls a few short, the Congress will still be so stampeded by Obama's landslide win that he will be able to get whatever he wants through Congress in his first six months or so, with the full approval of the American people. (Just like Reagan did with his landslide victory in 1980).

What are you going to do then?

for alisa-w
alisa-w,
you ask what Robert (and I) mean by "the nutty right."

Let me give you some examples:

A responsible conservative wants to secure the border, and give the illegals who are already here a chance to PAY their debt to society by EARNING citizenship through an involved process in which they must demonstrate assimilation.

Whereas a "nutty right-winger" wants to drag the illegals out of their jobs and homes, along with any children they have who were born in this country, put them on trucks and send them back to Mexico.

A responsible conservative believes that social policy should be left entirely to the "social laboratories" of the 50 states, in keeping with the principles of federalism and limited Federal power in Washington. If Massachusetts feels too liberal for you, you have 49 other states to choose from as a place to live and raise your children.

Whereas a "nutty right-winger" wants the Federal Government to actively crusade for so-called "Christian values" from coast to coast, by making online Internet gambling illegal; by banning medical marijuana nationally even if board-certified physicians want to prescribe it to their cancer patients; by censoring broadcast and cable TV by telling the networks what they can and cannot put on the air "for the sake of the children," and fining or even jailing the network executives if they don't comply.

Beginning to see the distinction now?


I noticed
that also, McCain thanked everyone but one glaring ommission was Conservatives. We see all the newsies opining on just what McC must do to win us back. With Juan Smirkin' Jack Hernandez
on board it's doubtful. Numbers has posted an
article that says La Raza is pressuring the calbe news outlets to refuse to let anyone who
supports enforcing our laws, or securing the borders participate in the debate because it encourages people to "hate all immigrants" among other lies. They are encouraging us to write the various presidents/CEO's protesting this
assault on free speech. What will our John do?
Well if McCain Feingold is any indication......

Steve
Just another "nutty right winger" just feels right coming out of my mouth. What will I do then is the question posed to me. I will work toward getting conservatives elected, the same thing I will do if Mccain gets elected. By repeating mistakes made in the past we are increasing the repercussions.
It is an axiom among conservative thinkers that we can not correct the problems created by governmental overspending by spending more, we must change course. Similarly, we can not correct the problems created by electing a faux conservative by electing one that is a little bit more faux. By doing so we allow our ideals to be moved in the same direction as the oppositions and we end up in the same place either way.

I would not think of calling you a faux republican or a traitor or any of the names bantered about. I wouldn't dream of telling you that you are wrong for voting for Senator Mccain, you have valid reasons. I also have valid reasons for supporting another.

I liked it!
I thought that was the best speech he ever gave.
I'm being optimistic and praying.
I'm sort of surprised over all the bad comments.
Hopefully he will prove to be a good President.
Believers, start praying.
Those, with bitter attitudes, saying he has to prove it, maybe he will.

OPEN LETTER TO SENATOR MCCAIN - PART ONE

.....Mr. McCain ...

.....You were my last choice among the Republican candidates and I did not vote for you in the Texas Primary ...however I will support you in November because I want to preserve our Republic Government and either Hillary or Obama in the White House will bring us dangerously close to Socialism ...so I will be voting "against" the Democrat nominee ...

.....The Republican Party needs to restore the three legs of Conservatism that supported Reagan and Gingrich and that both Bush I & Bush II squandered away ...

... 1. Family values: Pro-life, pro-nuclear family, conservative judges and justices that will follow and protect our Constitution, overturn and send Roe back to the States where it belongs ...

...2. Fiscal values: Balance the Budget, eliminate redundant and useless government programs and departments, abolish the Department of Education, offer a flat tax alternative to the present progressive tax code, tax incentives to business and growth to maintain a healthy economy and keep jobs in America, an energy policy that allows us to tap into our own reserves of coal, oil and natural gas and accelerate the building of Nuclear Power Plants, protect our sovereignty against incursions by the UN and World Courts ... CONTINUED

steve-L and Robert
You missed my point. I understand what you mean by "nutty right winger." I don't understand why you feel these are the only individuals not supporting McCain. I am not nutty. I am not a right-winger. I am not even a practicing Christian. And I am not supporting John McCain. My point is that there are many of us, for varied reasons, who cannot even "hold our noses" to vote for this man. I dislike extremists of any variety. But I dislike individuals who seek to alter the very fabric of our society even more. McCain is not the guy, this is not his moment, and there are many of us who are *not* going to be persuaded otherwise because the mainstream media instructs us to be so.

baseballdoc - If he's already got you...
--
...why the hell should Johnny-boy offer you *ANYTHING* in the way of a concession to the conservative principles you're so spinelessly willing to compromise?


Says baseballdoc:

"You were my last choice among the Republican candidates and I did not vote for you in the Texas Primary ...however I will support you in November because I want to preserve our Republic Government...."


Yeah, sure. That's going to impress McCain all to hellangone, isn't it?





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"To attain and maintain political power, liberal Republicans historically have been able to count on automatic conservative support, based on shared opposition to liberal Democrat enemies. But it's a one-way street of support: The McCains and Specters and Chafees, once entrenched in political office, do their damnedest to undermine the agendas of anyone to their right."

-- Robert James Bidinotto

See: http://bidinotto.journalspace.com/ for the full article and more



OPEN LETTER TO SENATOR MCCAIN - PART TWO

.....CONTINUED ...

...3. Strong Military: Peace through strength, carry a big stick and don't be afraid to use it when necessary, our enemies see apeasement as weakness which encourages them to attack ...Nixon convinced North Vietnam to agree to sign a peace treaty though our military might ...it was the Democrats in Washington led by Ted Kennedy that sold out and betrayed our South Vietnam allies when Congress cut off all aid and support ...I am a Vietnam vet so I took that personal ...which is why I disagree with McCain/Kennedy ...Kennedy fooled Reagan with Amnesty I ...why should we trust Amnesty II? ...

.....I wish you well and hope that you will not betray our Conservative ideals as so many suspicious Conservatives believe you will ...the Democrats are Socialists and should be considered as the enemy ..."trust but verify" to paraphrase Reagan ...don't turn your back on your friends and never on your enemies .....COLOSSUS

John McCain is no "Hero"
John McCain was "P.O.W' and supposedly a American "War Hero" almost 50 years ago.

Benedict Arnold was a American "War Hero" at one time too!, How did that work out???

What has McCain done lately....

John McCain stabs the Conservatives in the back, while at the same time kissing the A **'s of the Socialist Candidates and Liberal Media.

He is a Lying, arrogant and vengeful S.O.B.!

If a Conservative disagrees with McCain, he calls them names and treats them like SCUM.

He passed McCain-Feingold, Now he says "HE" doesn't have to follow Campaign Finance laws.

He called everyone who disagreed with the McCain-Kennedy "Racist" and "Bigots"!

He said anyone who calls it "Amnesty" is a Liar!

If he was elected, he would go out of his way to punish anyone and everyone who were "Too Damn Stupid" to elect him in 2000.

He thinks he can continue to stab Conservatives in the back and they will vote for him anyway!

He's got all these RINO Republican Lackeys running around whining that we have to vote for him!

Soon they will be whining about how us "Conservatives" cost them the election because we deserted them.

I wonder what McCain will call us then?


SJ DOC

.....So your course of action is to destroy our Republic by helping a Marxist (Obama/Hilly) get elected just because you don't like McCain ...sounds like surrender to me ...

.....I am not compromising anything, spineless or otherwise, ...I fought for my country in two wars against the Communists and I am not about to hand my Government over to them on a silver platter just because I don't like the only man who can prevent it ...who just happens to be the Republican nominee .....COLOSSUS

BTW: I put my spine on the line in Korea and Vietnam ...where were you? .....COLOSSUS

McCain
We conservatives DO NOT

Marching orders in place.
__"I owe her the meaning that service to America has given my life, and the sense that I am part of something greater than myself, part of a kinship of ideals that have always represented the last, best hope of mankind." As those words reflect who we all are, in service to this nation. We can either show the left what America is made of, or let their congressional powers, further create America in their image. After McCain is elected Americans can retreat, and cry a river of tears, or they will assist the president in this nations guidance. Plan, and simple, folks. The president is without legislative powers, or powers of creating new acts of congress. All of the checks, and balances, were put in place for the peoples pleasure, and ruling powers. time to quit letting left social powers be the voice of our representation. Nothing can be done by our representation, unless we give them the power. We all owe America in the same sense future president McCain put forth.

Hahahahahahahahaha!
McCain: "I have never believed I was destined be President."


Good, McCain, then you won't be that disappointed in November.


Baseball
Reread your own letter. Are you not surrendering?

TO ALL LIBERAL TROLLS -

.....You guys aren't fooling anyone ...your purpose is to tear apart the Republican Party by attacking Conservatives for betraying their ideals ...what you really want is to destroy the Republican Party and throw the election to your Socialist Masters ...

.....McCain is far from perfect but he is one hundred miles ahead of the Marxists in the Socialist Party ...so why don't you phonies pack up your toys and go back to KOS where you can be among friends and leave the adults on this site alone so that we can work toward doing what is best for our Country .....COLOSSUS

McCain
We conservatives DO NOT have to vote for McCain. We have other choices we can make by writing the name of the person we feel most exemplifies the principals of our founding fathers and the constitution. I hope this happens big time and a new party emerges. The RNC is going to lose many, many members as well as the Presidential election in November. It's time for us to take a stand and say enough is enough. We will no longer be badgered into voting for someone we don't respect or trust.

BBalldoc
One thing I will agree with in your last post: the GOP ABSOLUTELY needs to be torn apart, and put back together as a party that truly does act to support the conservative ideals it claims to represent.


Here is the problem John
McCain writes:

The next President must encourage the greater participation and cooperation of our allies in the fight against al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan.
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You are running from a Lion to get eaten by a Bear.
The Taliban or anyone from Afghanistan and Iraq have any effect on me and my local fellow citizens.

The problem we are having is the Stinkin Mexican law breaking scum.
What you intend to do about that?

baseballdoc - Spineless? Brainless!
--
Says baseballdoc:

"I put my spine on the line in Korea and Vietnam...."


So where did you leave your head wedged, hm?

The point here is that whether the Evil Party rams down upon us Obama or Hillary in November, the Republican Party will be *FORCED* to oppose him/her, fighting like hell.

If only to preserve the illusion of "brand identification" (which is to say the public perception that there's a dime's worth of difference between the Democrats' Evil Party and the "Rockefeller Republicans'" Stupid Party).

Should the Lord r'ar back and pass some sort of horrible punitive miracle and inflict McCain on the nation, the Republican remnant in Congress will be as completely disarmed as *YOU* have allowed yourself to become.

And - *WORSE* - every goddamned thing that McCain does is going to be taken as due to his "conservative" approach to governance, when in reality that bloated jerkwad has spent his entire political life betraying and sabotaging every conservative principle that ever existed.

Starting with the First Amendment.

And you're stupid enough to support him?

Simply because he "...just happens to be the Republican nominee," eh?

Oh, gawd, what a gullible sonofabitch you are!

--

More dying in America than Iraq
At the hands of Mexican and South American Gangs.
This is where the problem for America is John, get your eyes on where Americans are in danger from, its MEXICANS!

Not Iraqi's and Afghanistani's.

Here you idiot McCain, its all over the web, how can you miss it?

Illegal aliens murder

12 Americans daily
Death toll in 2006 far overshadows total

U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq, Afghanistan

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Posted: November 28, 2006
1:00 am Eastern


By Joseph Farah
© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com




WASHINGTON While the military "quagmire" in Iraq was said to tip the scales of power in the U.S. midterm elections, most Americans have no idea more of their fellow citizens ? men, women and children ? were murdered this year by illegal aliens than the combined death toll of U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan since those military campaigns began.

http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53103

It's ok, I understand your pain,
__With cries of "Mommy, mommy, mommy, I'm lost, and I don't know what I'm going to do!" We'll be there to rescue you, as we did not throw our compass away, nor the light to guide us. You can sit back down, now, and stop your cryin'. It'll be daylight soon, and much easier for you to walk without somebody leading you by the hand.

robert
you still there?

The nutty Robert with low debt
Robert the nutjob says:
"The nutty right are people who dont understand that "consensus" is what American politics is all about."

Yet nutty Robert complains about Bush who was elected by "consensus" twice by the American people and he constantly nuttily complains about "consensus" Bush. LOL

Robert the nutjob says:
"Everyone is for lower taxes ... but what we have had the last 7 years is nuts."
"We have had lower taxes as spending outdid it and now we have endless deficits that we are passing on to our kids...for what we are spending."
[yet later in a different post he says:]
"I have low debt and own almost all my own property "outright" have large cash reserves"

Robert the hypocrite nutjob, if you think "your" taxes are too low and you have large cash reserves, why are you helping the country you claim to love and just voluntarily donate just HALF of your large cash reserves so that you can be part of the solution to ending the "endless deficits".

LOL. Robert is obviously a Ted Kennedy/Hillary Clinton Democrat shill. He is just like the rich Democrats who keep their large cash reserves and want to raise the taxes on other people like me who do not have large cash reserves.

Robert if you argue like a Democrat and think like a Democrat, unless you are truly nuts, you are a Democrat.

I have NOT seen ANY post by you that proves you are a Republican; only posts that argue like a Democrat.




This is 1992 all over again

Conservatives need to stop talking about McCain now. He will lose just like GHW Bush in 1992.

Conservatives need to stay focused on where we can win, US House and Senate seats. By focusing our time and money on these seats we can stop MOST of the bad legislation from either the Democrats or McAmnesty.

We need a website like NumbersUSA.com where we can focus (prioritize) on Conservatives races where we can elect Conservatives in close races.

Anyone know of a website like this?

Proof 'n puddin'
The highly educated masses of liberal contolled education policy, social policy, producing an unrestrained, independant passion, of; If I don't get mine, I am not going to accept the fact you seem to have yours. All culminating around personal desires, and choices, of self-love. "Theoretic politicians, who have patronized this species of government, have erroneously supposed that by reducing mankind to a perfect equality in their political rights, they would, at the same time, be perfectly equalized and assimilated in their possessions, their opinions, and their passions." (Madison 10th Federalist paper)

It was a good speech
Whether or not you take him at his word is one thing, but the Mac Daddy DID deliver one fine speech. He drew a very clear line between the optimism of the right, and the Chicken Little fatalism of the left.

I like the fact that he took carefully aimed shots at both Clinton (domestically) and Obamarama (no surrender in Iraq). I especially like his use of the words “Islamic extremism”. When was the last time you heard Bush being so bracingly honest in identifying our enemy?

Sure, he did drop the ball on the subject of energy, with his failure to state that we could solve much of the problem by going out and getting the oil that we ALREADY OWN. But, on balance, McCain’s speech addressed the very things we – most of us, anyway – stand for. We support regulatory relief and reduced tax rates for persons and for businesses. We insist on being kept safe from threatening foreign forces. We seek market-based solutions for the economic problems that confront us.

Mostly, we want a President who believes that America’s best days are yet to come, and that they will be brought about by us being ourselves, without the oppressive boot of government on our throats. McCain hit that note. He was inspiring. He was – dare I say it – Reaganesque, for one shining moment.

I’m not blind to his faults, which are many. However, a President who believes in us, or at least says he does, seems far preferable to one who demands our belief in him/her.

billg64 and khomar
billg64-I am with you vote other in general and make a difference in congress and senate vote. Khomar-McCain has over 1,300 according to the news so it doesn't matter now!

Good luck with that, John
Huckabee's made a name for himself.

(Nyah, nyah, nyah-nyah-nyah to all the half-wits who made fun of his name since the beginning of the campaign.) :)

In 2012, when the US has been destroyed by a Democratic Presidency AND Congress, the GOP will have him to turn to the way we should
have this time. God bless America; we're going to need it.

Too bad Romney split the conservative vote.

Compare them yourself: Issue by issue, Huckabee was as conservative, or more conservative, than Romney.

(Except for all the pardons. But that's balanced by the executions on his watch vs. Romney's zero, and the fact that though Romney
pardoned no one, it's way easier to do when you have 200 requests vs. 9000 like Huck, who turned down 90% of them.)

And I would have voted for Romney. Of the MSM's anointed at the start of the race, only he was good enough, not Giuliani, not McCain.

Now I guess I'll be voting Paul.

Huckabee for President 2012!

McCains speech
was painful to watch, as usual. He thanked the democrats and independents for giving him the nomination. Well John, you had better hope that they are there for you in November. I can't find a single republican who will vote for you. Good Luck!

As for us "right wing kooks." we'll try to keep some conservatives in the hpuse and senate to fight President Obama or President Clinton. { Mccain has absolutely zero chance of winning.)




Dear John McCain,
Take your "victory" speech and blow it out your a$$.

Brett, + all others of the active...
...electorial. We are in complete agreement, directing congressional representation of the people, as well as being active members within community, and state. I just as soon let the liberal left guard their personal possessions, secured in their homes, while America moves forward, waving to them as we pass by. This republic will collect many, real American democrats, from their ranks, as they realize the worthless, proportional, ideology of the left. Those portions do not become as equalized when the bank of supply stops giving to a speculative business producing no products. They might spit out a working model, now, and, then, but the trillions of dollars, that has gone into their social engineering engine, is a waste of our time, and money. McCain wants to, and will, introduce proposals limiting earmarks, and cleaning up the wasteful bureaucracy of government programs. This scares the daylights out of the left, and all the various proportions, within America, of their factious base. Whether those be of the bureacracy, private companies, who's profits depend on it, or those Americans intimidated with loss of benefit, their of left proportional politics. It's about time we saved a dollar, or two, and trimed the sails of an out of control, seperate economy, of socialistic left ideology.

Supreme arrogance coupled w/ignorance
Mr. McCain wrongfully states as a fact that he now has the required delegates for nomination. His actual pledged delegate count is only 973. But I suppose he doesn't have to be concerned because he has his machine in place to steal the rest. But we will see at the convention if this works out the way he hopes. One thing is for certain, IF he were nominated, he would lose the election.

I knew you were a HATER, talent scout--
but you sure proved it this AM with your 11:51 post in which you wrote:

"The problem we are having is the Stinkin Mexican law breaking scum."

Yes, we have a SERIOUS illegal immigration problem--but a true CHRISTIAN **would NOT** describe the problem in the offensive and racist way you did.

Yes indeed I am
Full of hate for the evil thats rising all over America, full of hate for it.
I do not like you either.

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TriciaCT writes: Wednesday, March, 05, 2008 3:45 PM
I knew you were a HATER, talent scout--
but you sure proved it this AM with your 11:51 post in which you wrote:

"The problem we are having is the Stinkin Mexican law breaking scum."

Yes, we have a SERIOUS illegal immigration problem--but a true CHRISTIAN **would NOT** describe the problem in the offensive and racist way you did.
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You IDIOT.
They are all called Mexicans who live in Mexico, idiot.

Sen Mccain is beggin
Didn't take long he e-mailed me and probably most of you asking for cash.

Here is a copy of my heartfelt contribution to his campaign....

Sir,
I am a conservative, I do not view you as a person that represents any of my values. I
would not support you nor vote for you if you were competing against satan himself. I
will do my best to support conservative congressional candidates in order to mitigate the
damages you or your political twins, Senators Obama and Cinton, will inflict upon us.
You have unmitigated gall, you thumb your nose at and insult the conservative base of this
party for years and come asking for money to elect you; I think not! I have expressed
this concern to the aberrant chairman of the republican party, my only true hope is that
you somehow lose at the convention.
Further I will not support this poor excuse for a political party, a party consisting of
people willing to sell their values in order to placate those that would harm this
country.
I have been as polite as I know how to be, do not ever e-mail me, snail mail me, call me
or contact me ever again asking for any type of support from me.

Very Truly Yours,
William L. Gunn Jr

GREG B, SD & SJ DOC

.....In the first place I don't believe that either of you two are Conservatives ...I believe you are trolls that are trying your best to sink the Republican Party ....your language and your insults give you away ....Conservatives can agree to disagree and debate their differences ...you two revert to childish namecalling which is the trademark of Liberals and Democrats ....

.....Just to set the record straight I am not voting "for" McCain ...I am voting "against' the Democrat" ...when McCain does something I disagree with ...I will try to restrain him with my Conservative Representatives that I voted for ...this is what I did when Bush crossed the line ...we stopped Harriet Myers & an Amnesty Bill that Bush would have signed ...intelligent people would understand this course of action ...low IQ types would respond with childish insults and name calling .....COLOSSUS

Radical Islam is a Threat
To think that we would be safer with Sen Obama in charge of our military is irresponsible.


McCain's victory speech was as rousing
as watching sheep chew on grass. The man gives new meaning to somnambulism. Half the country will probably be asleep by the time it comes to voting for him. Hopefully they can stay awake long enough to vote for every conservative on the ticket, OTHER THAN MCCAIN.

baseballdoc - On conservatism...
--
Says baseballdoc (addressing "GREG B, SD & SJ DOC"):

"I don't believe that either of you two are Conservatives ...I believe you are trolls that are trying your best to sink the Republican Party...."


You goddam betcha, putzie-boy.

And you've given everybody plenty of proof that *YOU'RE* no kind of conservative at all, haven't you?

You're ready to support anything - absolutely *ANYTHING*, no matter how Christless and rotten and destructive of the nation - as long as it wears the nominal color of the "Republican Party."

Perhaps claiming it as "pragmatic," if you've got the wit even to use such a term.

Look, dummy; the RNC is conservative precisely to the extent that we keep our thumbs around their collective throat.

You're the kind of goddamned fool who'd let up on these manipulative sonsabitches precisely when we should be strangling them until their eyes bulge.

Gawd, what a spectacularly "useful idiot" you are!




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"Apparently millions continue to harbor the strange delusion that the Republican party is the party of free enterprise, and, at least since the New Deal, the party of conservatism. In fact, the party is and always has been the party of state capitalism. That, along with the powers and perks it provides its leaders, is the whole reason for its creation and continued existence. By state capitalism I mean a regime of highly concentrated private ownership, subsidized and protected by government. The Republican party has never, ever opposed any government interference in the free market or any government expenditure except those that might favour labour unions or threaten Big Business."

-- Clyde Wilson; see http://www.lewrockwell.com/wilson/wilson20.html

Stating Facts
John McCane will be 72 this year, even if he lives longer than his life expectancy of 75 years his runway is short. He has had two bouts with cancer one resulting in nine hours of surgery. The drugs used to suppress cancer are very debilitating and doctors cannot say if the cancer will be back or not. McCane has to be under constant medication and I think he should release his medical records. After all, what kind of medication is he taking since his finger will be close to the nuclear trigger and he has said something about bomb, bomb, bomb.
He was born in the Panama Canal Zone to a military couple, given a free education at Annapolis, a Navy career, and then a senatorial career, it's doubtful that McCane has ever had to balance a checkbook. How is he going to balance the the US economy that is sinking fast.
His saving and loan scandal cost the US taxpayers 186 Billion dollars and he was found to have engaged in questionable conduct. Yeah.Right.

Facts Continued
McCane graduated forth from the bottom of his class at Annapolis. When someone graduates that low in their class with two rear admirals in their family you can suppose that a few points were given to get McCane across the graduating line. How did graduating that low in his class qualify him for jet fighter pilot training? Rear Admirals X 2 perhaps. The fact that he lost five planes here and there might bear that out. He fraternize with lower ranking females when he was in the Navy, a violation of the UCMJ.
He is a liberal. He has Jaun Hernandez on his payroll. McCane has every intention of carrying on Jorge Bush's open borders, amnesty, and the North American Union with Canada and Mexico. H
McCane will never get my vote.

talent scout
I agree with you. I live in oregon and our communities are plagued with crimes committed by illegals. I knew a young girl I worked with who got violently raped and beaten in her home by an illegal here to work temprarily in agriculture, he knocked on her door and grabbed her, they never cought the guy. Another young girl raped and strangled to death by one who was deported and came back. These are just two instances, there are many more. Politicians cannot think that money from south American countries are more important than this issue. For those of you who think I am beeing prejudice I am not. I recognise that there are good Hispanic people in our country trying to live the American dream, legally I have no problem with them.

The Cause Of The Cause Of The Cause
There are some things that I wish I had never heard, read or seen, during this campaign. Things touted against opponents out of meanness and corruption.

John McCain's words cannot erase the seeds left behind by his actions and his deeds. This campaign will remain a chilling reminder that an uninformed electorate is the greatest threat to the American dream, because the ones who dream are living a life of illusions, stripped of principle, on top of the complete indifference to moral law. Truth has become fiction and out of this, they feed their addiction, for power, control, and freedom for themselves, at the expense of others. They only pretend to do it for our good and refuse to see and much less correct their mistakes.

FDD (Faith Deficit Disorder) is promoted by the Big Lie, the one that we believed "that ain't so."

I have more respect for Ron Paul than John McCain does and I shudder at the duplicity and shady dealings we all saw. I confess, I cannot sleep thinking of him in the white house, because, if he is honest, he has fooled me completely by is unguarded actions. "Actions speak louder than words." Like, “One thing I like about Mitt Romney is that he is consistent; consistently, consistent on both sides of every issue. (Grinning Laughing, with Cindy nodding her approval behind him.)

This is not the kind of man to make the world the kind of world I want to see.

Like a lot of others and I believe, that Mitt Romney was the right choice and John McCain does not even come close. I am going to close this door and thank you all, but I am leaving Town Hall grateful and regretful for the experience. I am closing shop my peace of mind own sanity has been shaken that much. "I hate hypocrisy with such a passion because that is the cause of FDD (Fait Deficit Disorder): Best to you all. God Bless America and, may God protect you all from ungodly leaders.

Millions of us too my friend
ACP writes: 6:38 PM
talent scout
I agree with you.
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We are sick of the excuses given for the stinkin Mexican invasion of America with more killers among them than found in Iraq.


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ACP writes:
For those of you who think I am beeing prejudice I am not. I recognise that there are good Hispanic people in our country trying to live the American dream, legally I have no problem with
them.

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Please, do not apologize any more for wanting law and order.
They will call you racist anyway, who cares.
The word is now popularized for any white man by black, brown and lilly livered white liberals.
All lying hypocrites anyway.



much talk about the GOP convention
There has been a great deal of talk lately about a "revolt" at the GOP convention. Does anyone have knowledge of an organizing effort? Is there contact amongst the delegates currently not committed to McVain to raise a ruckus? Is there any organized effort to lobby existing McVain pledged delegates to vote uncommitted on the first ballot at the GOP convention?
I'm just asking?
It would be nice for the GOP to show some life at their convention; like an organized floor fight against the McVain annointing.

I will vote for and support
every conservative Republican running for Congress! We here in the bluest of blue states will have an opportunity to unseat John F. Kerry and that would be one of the biggest accomplishments a conservative Massachusetts voter could ever hope for! How I wish Mitt had challenged Ted Kennedy last year instead of blowing all those millions on an unsuccessful run. I'm sure he would have won this time around and we wouldn't have been in such turmoil in the Democratic-run Congress.

A conservative Congress will be able to offset the whims of a liberal president.

I beg Senator McCain to:
1) STOP SAYING "My friends" - it is PHONY and comes across as being very INSINCERE!
2) LISTEN to Conservatives
3) GET RID of any connections he has to La Raza 4) PROMISE to revisit McCain/Feingold (looks like he is currently paying the piper for this dastardly bill) and MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL,
5) ENFORCE THE CURRENT LAWS WITH REGARD TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION!!!!

PROMISE TO BUILD THE DARN FENCE AND ENFORCE CURRENT IMMIGRATION LAWS!!! And FREE the two border agents who should NEVER have been put in prison in the first place!


billg64 writes:
Wednesday, March, 05, 2008 4:02 PM
Sen Mccain is beggin...
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Great letter! My mail requests are immediately torn in two. This is NOT the same man who was running in 2000. I don't know if he has had a burr under his saddle ever since that loss, but he definitely continues to take a perverse delight in rubbing every Republican's nose in it every chance he gets.

He has LOTS of fences to mend before November. I sure hope he has the gumption to do so!

Tasmanian Jedi
Have to disagree that Romney split the conservative vote. It is more that the conservative vote split and with rigged primaries where Dems can vote Repub it skewed things even more. I just heard that Rush was encouraging Repubs to vote for Hillary in Texas to keep the Dems fighting each other. We need to fix the primaries. As much as I do not want McCain, I will vote for him because of Supreme Court appointments. We KNOW the type Hillary or Obama will appoint.
I do not think McCain will win because he will not have the conservative base contributing money and time and I do not think moderates will work that hard. Still disagree with Huckabee on more than the pardons, but I am glad to defend your right to your opinions. It is a great country. I pray we can make inroads in Congress to have a tighter reign on the likely HillBama monster.

????
So far as I can see,being a new poster here, with the exception of Robert, nobody is happy with McCain. I get that. Not thrilled with it myself.

Seems to me the big question here is how did a man like McCain even get into the primaries in the first place ?
Where did we go so wrong that was even possible ?

McCains words mean little
I just can't buy the guy. He does not listen to anyone but himself and Ted Kennedy. I believe Kennedy has three dogs in this race. nuff said.
bob

A word for jic
McCain got where he is because the Republican Party establishment thinks if Republicans act more like Democrat liberals the Republican establishment will have more power. end of story.
bob

Oh

"McCain got where he is because the Republican Party establishment thinks if Republicans act more like Democrat liberals the Republican establishment will have more power. end of story.
bob "

If that is the case, it's up to us to fix it.




Rayfinn
Thanks for your reasonableness.

I thought it important to convince others Romney split the conservative vote, since Huck really took it on the chin there for awhile, from Rush, etc. (the Romney crowd) that he was the one splitting it. Seems logical to me that when you're comparing two so-called conservatives, it's the less-conservative one who's doing the splitting.

But you are right, the splitting of the conservative vote was indeed quite a bit more complicated than that.

This whole business of BOTH parties' voters crossing over has got me all kinds of perplexed :)

TasJedi - Well, it's only fair...
--
...that we should see "...BOTH parties' voters crossing over..." in the primaries.

After all, the two "mainstream" parties - which could more properly be considered as slightly opposing factions of the same Permanent Institutional Incumbent Party (pace Mexico's "Institutional Revolutionary Party") - are entirely private entities who get to run their supposedly internal nominating primary elections at the expense of *ALL* us taxpayers in all the states where they're held.

Given that we're all forced at gunpoint to pay for these almost invariably farcical and nugatory political Kabuki theater productions, shouldn't everybody take whatever advantage he likes to screw up whichever party he damn' well pleases?




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"If your principal concern, like mine, is freedom, there's absolutely no discernable difference between the two 'majors,' and for all practical purposes, they're one big party - the Boot On Your Neck party - pretending to be two."

-- L. Neil Smith

I am not a Republican
I am a conservative. My point is that the Republican Party and I have very little in common any more. The Republicans seem almost as intent on implementing liberal policies that will severely damage the United States as the Democrats.

I don't think those policies will work. If they are going to be implemented then I want them to be implemented by a known liberal Democrat rather than someone who is portrayed in the media as a conservative. That way, when they fail, the Democrats will be blamed for it and perhaps conservative ideas will be tried.

There is a future beyond the upcoming election cycle. The Republicans have proven over the past 20 years that they will not stand for Conservative principles, but instead will bend over for the Democrats at every opportunity. I would rather have a short term loss followed by some significant gains than the continued "Democrat lite" policies that the RNC and most Republican officeholders seem determined to put in place. I have voted for the lesser of two evils for most of my adult life, and I am not going to do it any more. I will abstain or vote for a third party before I will support any more candidates like McCain.

mmmmmm
We can gripe about the Republican Party all we want. It wont fix the problem. What do we do ?

We can break off from the R party, go with a third party or form a new one. Democrats will love us for that because we will have handed them absolute power for generations.
Don't know about anyone else, but I am not a big fan of socialism. The third party route is a loser for us all.

What's left ?

We can roll up our sleeves and get to work turning the Republican Party into a conservative party, a true conservative party.
Purge the RINOs, both elected and in the RNC.Constantly hold their feet to the fire. Let them always know we are watching.
Put in people that think the Constitution says what it means and means what it says. No smarmy mealy mouthing " interpurtations "

We got to this point by failing to exorcise dilligance. The Party went this way because we allowed it. All the whinning in the world will not change this simple fact. We did not do our job.

jic - Such a ''third party'' was formed
--
...in the '70s, when "Rockefeller Republican" Richard Milhouse Nixon made it inescapably clear that the GOP was *FAR* from being rock-ribbed champions of limited-government constitutionalist conservatism.

Jeez, just look at Nixon's domestic policy decisions . He expanded the regulatory bureaucracy out the wazoo (OSHA and the EPA in particular), he inflicted the first peacetime wage and price controls in the nation's history (to disguise the effects of inflationary Federal Reserve counterfeiting), he instituted the first federal affirmative action programs, he multiplied entitlement program spending, and - suddenly, almost as an afterthought at the close of one of his 1971 speeches - he announced that "we're closing the gold window," thereby divorcing the U.S. dollar from all specie payment whatsoever, setting the stage for *ALL* the inflation we've suffered since that horrible day.

Nixon made it crystal clear to us honest-to-God conservatives that we had as much in common with the Republican Party "establishment" as we had with Leon Trotsky.

And thus was formed the Libertarian Party, which is still the single political entity most thoroughly hated by the "Rockefeller Republicans."




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"Individualists constitute the most intellectual and principled elements on the right, upholding Enlightenment premises about man, his rights, his relationship to his fellow man and to the state. Though fewer in number, they wield disproportionate and growing influence, mainly via independent public-policy journals and think tanks.

"Among individualist subgroups today are economic conservatives and political libertarians, as well as rational individualists. To the debates on the political right, they bring, respectively, market-based economic proposals, initiatives to limit government power, and a cohesive moral-philosophical vision."

-- R.J. Bidinotto

SJ Doc
I actually think of myself as a Libertarian. I am a registered Democrat cause it is the only way to vote in local elections in my state/county. Nothing but Dems run for office here. I tend to vote Republican in national elections. This sounds really screwy but it seems to be the norm for my area.

But I am also a realist, and the Libertarians just do not win elections. I would be willing to change my registration in an attempt to reform the Rep. Party. I could never vote for my sherrifs and such, but oh well.

My point is, if we don't turn it around, nobody else will.

jic - The role of the Libertarian Party
--
...is less to win elections (though they *DO* win in many local contests) than to demonstrate to the GOP that ignoring us "limited government" types can cost them the margin of victory in sharply contended match-ups against their colleagues in "Socialist Party A."

Remember, a professional politician is a person who thinks that the greatest tragedy which can befall his nation is the election of somebody else to an office *HE* wants to occupy.

And the Republican Party is nothing if not a huge whorehouse.


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"Allow me to reiterate what I have said so many times before about the basis of my endorsement of Ron Paul.... When Ron ran for president as the Libertarian Party's nominee, I opposed him because, although he leans very hard in the libertarian direction on many of the issues we're most deeply concerned with, he is not a libertarian.

"At the time, I said that, while Ron made a rather poor libertarian candidate — not just because of the unlibertarian stances he took on some issues, but because of the underlying philosophical assumptions that led to his taking those stances — he would make an excellent Republican candidate I would even consider voting for under certain circumstances.

"Well, folks, these are those circumstances. We have two ugly, stupid, unneccesary, and destructive wars that we need to put an immediate stop to, and a fascist regime, complete with Big Brother-like surveillance, media control, disappearances, and torture, to roll back before it rolls over us. At this pivotal point in history, there isn't a single solitary Libertarian Party candidate — not one — no matter how decent, worthy, or commendable, who is going to be able to do anything at all about any of that. Whereas the right Republican or Democratic candidate *could*, without even getting elected or even nominated."

-- L. Neil Smith

err
That is my point. All these spoilling tactics do is hand victory to the Dems. That's not the way to leave a better world to our children.

The Republican Party must be forced to go toward a more conservative or even Libertarian direction. All I really want from my government is a good leaving alone. Most people prefer this.
The R party can be taken that direction far easier and faster than a third party can be made competive.

The only alternative is learning to live with socialism.

jic - Looks like most Townhallers...
--
...are expressing their discontent with John Sidney McCain's insipid "victory" speech by trying to ignore him to death.

Unfortunately, like most malignant diseases, McCain won't just go away and die.

As long as the "Rockefeller Republicans" are able to keep comfortably convinced of the prevalence of your attitude - "All these spoilling tactics do is hand victory to the Dems" - they're *NOT* going to treat us conservatives (and our priorities) with anything but contempt.

Hell, look at McCain. The silly sumbitch doesn't even bother to dissemble his contempt for us now.

He's spent his political career drifting more and more to the left, and he thinks because he can get re-elected in Arizona with a "socialist lite" image, that's the best way for him to grope his way into the White House.

Hoo, boy. Not only arrogant but fatally stupid.

This is a national election, Johnny-boy.

And you're not the incumbent here.

He slimed into his Senate seat on the coattails of Barry Goldwater - "Mr. Conservative."

Now he's fantasizing that he can pick up the endorsement of Dubbya (who has spent eight years *ENRAGING* the conservative base) and that's going to buoy him up when it's more likely to drag him under.

The Democrat Party is about to shove a skinny suppository named "Barack Hussein Obama" up the nation's collective cloaca, and - as a physician - I've got to say that perhaps its time for the country to suffer the cramping, flatulent, utterly disgusting effects of a full-bore "Socialist Party A" clystering.

Remember, when the "Rockefeller Republicans" moved heaven and earth to keep Reagan from getting the nomination in '76 (and instead left us with Nixon's legacy - Jerry Ford), we got a four-year dose of Jimmy Carter.

And *THEN* the RINOs couldn't prevent Reagan's nomination in 1980.

Same thing's happening now.

--

SJ Doc, jic
Good points.

SJ: Late in the campaign, Huckabee loved to point out the similarity to '76, hoping we would rally to him, not to McFord. Now we are looking forward in '12 to a replay of the backlash against RINOs.

BTW, you sound like a Paul supporter, and it'd be great if he wins, but if not, I do hope Huck will become a Senator and establish a more conservative track record for '12 than people have been giving him credit for.

TasJedi - No prize in Huckabee...
--
...(or, if you're literate in Heinleinian speculative fiction, "Nehemiah Scudder") either.

I'm not much of a "Paul supporter," to be perfectly honest, but I'll have to admit that the support he's received - and the way in which he's caused the hated "Rockefeller Republicans" to writhe and fume and work every dirty, dishonorable trick in their thick playbook to marginalize him - just tickles me to death.

And, of course, the way in which his commonsense Austrian School economic approach to domestic policy issues shines a halogen spotlight on the scuttling cockroaches of the Republican Party's relationship with the Federal Reserve Corporation is the best political theater I've seen since Barry Goldwater's campaign in 1964.

Dr. Paul is making an impact here.

And - unlike Huckabee, who just threw in the towel like the silly boob he really is - Dr. Paul isn't finished this laparoscopic examination of the Republican Party's cancer-raddled abdomen yet.

More fun's coming, I assure you!





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"The Tenth Commandment sends a message to socialists, to egalitarians, to people obsessed with fairness, to American presidential candidates...to everyone who believes that wealth should be redistributed. And that message is clear and concise: Go to Hell."

-- P.J. O'Rourke

Thank you for confirming, ts,
my assessment from yesterday, by your post:

"Yes indeed I am
Full of hate for the evil thats rising all over America, full of hate for it.
I do not like you either.

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TriciaCT writes: Wednesday, March, 05, 2008 3:45 PM
I knew you were a HATER, talent scout--
but you sure proved it this AM with your 11:51 post in which you wrote:

"The problem we are having is the Stinkin Mexican law breaking scum."

Yes, we have a SERIOUS illegal immigration problem--but a true CHRISTIAN **would NOT** describe the problem in the offensive and racist way you did.
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(ts again) "You IDIOT.
They are all called Mexicans who live in Mexico, idiot."

You are seemingly so BLINDED by your **hatred** that you cannot even see that it was your use of the words "Stinkin" and "scum" that is "offensive and racist," rather than calling Mexicans "Mexican."
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