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Tuesday, July 28, 2009
John Hawkins :: Townhall.com Columnist
Seven Things That Would Be Different If McCain Had Beaten Obama
by John Hawkins
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Back in 2008 conservatives were in a tough spot: we had a candidate that many of us believe is representative of much of what is wrong with the Republican Party -- running against an ultra-left-winger who told America we could trust him, in part, because Joe @$&*^%$ Biden was going to be around to be a voice of reason.

While a few conservatives couldn't bring themselves to pull the lever for McCain, most of us, in the end, gritted our teeth and decided to vote for Sarah and "the other guy." Ironically, the moderates in the party, like Colin Powell and David Brooks, seemed even more reluctant than conservatives to vote for a politician whose style of politics they championed.

In the end, the less-than-enthusiastic support for McCain from the Right wasn't able to make up for a Republican brand that had been dragged through the mud, a Republican president with a 25 percent approval rating, weak debate performances and McCain's completely inept handling of a major financial crisis that proved to be the last nail in the coffin for his decrepit campaign.

However, given the radical changes Barack Obama has been making since he was elected, you have to wonder how things would be different if John McCain had actually managed to make it to the White House. Of course, all we can do is speculate, but you'd have to think that it would have been a mixed bag, at best.

1) Sonya Sotomayor wouldn't be headed to the Supreme Court: Of course, there are no guarantees that David Souter would have retired had McCain won, but given that he announced his retirement so soon after Obama was elected, you have to think he was ready to call it quits.

So, had McCain gotten to pick Souter's replacement, the big question becomes: would McCain have picked a solid originalist judge? Different people can reasonably come to different conclusions about which way McCain would have gone and whether the Democrats would have seriously considered letting a judge who'd vote against Roe v. Wade make it through. Still, however you slice it, you'd have to think that whomever McCain picked would have been a much better choice than Sonya Sotomayor.

2) A smaller, but still expensive stimulus bill: Given that McCain campaigned relentlessly on his fiscal conservative credentials, you might think he'd have opposed a stimulus. Not so. He proposed his own stimulus bill in the Senate that admittedly, was much heavier on tax cuts, but still had a hefty $421 billion price tag. Combine that with McCain's support of TARP and it's clear that deficits would have spiraled out of control no matter who took the White House.

3) General Motors and Chrysler wouldn't be government owned: McCain advocated bankruptcy for Chrysler and GM. He also took a dim view of the government buy-in to the company and Obama's meddling to help the unions. While McCain would have likely succumbed to the pressure to help both companies in some form, it's doubtful that the taxpayers would have been on the hook for tens of billions, become part owners in both companies, and that the unions would have ended up as majority stakeholders in Chrysler had McCain been President.

4) Cap and Trade would be more likely to pass: The Cap and Trade bill that passed the House is, at least for the moment, not making any headway in the Senate. Although it's possible it will eventually pass, the odds are against it. The same couldn't have been said had John McCain been President.

Although McCain has criticized Obama's Cap and Trade plan, he had his own plan during the campaign and it seems likely that he could have worked with the Democrats to craft a bill that he found acceptable. Furthermore, President John McCain could have undoubtedly persuaded at least a dozen Republicans in the Senate to vote for the legislation. That means Cap and Trade would have been much more likely to pass under McCain than Obama.

5) Say "hello" to amnesty: The Democrats are understandably terrified of pushing amnesty during a recession with Obama's approval numbers already plummeting. That's why an amnesty bill probably won't be seriously considered until 2011 at the earliest.

Unfortunately, it seems unlikely that John McCain shares the Democrats' fear despite the fact that his soft-on-illegal-immigration stance aggravated conservatives and led to his collecting, by some accounts, only 1% more of the Hispanic vote than Republicans collected back in 2006. In an environment where McCain couldn't get any legislation passed without plenty of Democratic support, amnesty AKA Comprehensive Immigration Reform would have been on the agenda and would have had a decent shot of passing, if only so that McCain could say that he "did something."

6) Socialized medicine probably wouldn't be on the agenda: Despite the Democrats' attempts to tie socialized medicine to the recession, it's being pushed right now because it has long been one of the highest priorities on the Democratic wish list and if not now, then when?

McCain did have some good ideas about improving health care, but they would have gone nowhere in a Democratic Congress and he would have vetoed a socialized medicine bill. That means that "McCainCare" would have probably never been on the agenda.

7) You'd be talking Republicans down off of ledges today: After the last four years of Bush, having another Republican President who paid little attention to the grassroots would have been incredibly demoralizing. Moreover, if the President were moderate, the Republicans in Congress, who have improved their performance considerably since Obama came into office, would be tacking to the middle, instead of the Right, in order to support the President. That's part of what killed the Republican brand under Bush and the problem would have certainly continued under McCain. So, instead of seeing increasing energy on the Right, tea parties, and conservatives starting to get fired up, the Right would probably be descending into complete despair as we would seem to keep winning elections, but continuing to lose on issues we care about in Congress.

Obviously, those wouldn't be the only changes. If McCain were President, this country would be supporting democracy in Honduras today, instead of opposing it. Gitmo would still be closing, but it wouldn't be on an unreachable timetable. McCain's administration also wouldn't be threatening to engage politically motivated prosecutions of their predecessors, accusing cops of racial profiling without knowing the facts, or hiring tax cheats to run the Treasury Department. Of course, Sarah Palin also wouldn't be the governor of Alaska and...oh, wait, maybe that's not the best example.

Long story short, it wouldn't be all bad and without question, McCain would certainly have been an improvement over the guy in the White House today, who seems to believe being president mainly consists of giving campaign speeches, catering to dictators, and playing golf. Still, when you take a hard look at it, it's remarkable how much of a mixed bag a McCain presidency would have been for conservatives. Perhaps that's at the core of the Republican Party's problem: even when Republicans win, their supporters still end up losing on so many of the issues they care deeply about.

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And the libtards...
...the libtards--scared 'shirtless' because Sarah Palin has the same populist Gift as Obama (minus being a commie thug)--say Palin was unqualified to be President? She couldn't do a worse job than the jug-eared buffoon stinking up the Red House now, and she's 'somewhat brighter' than Joe Biden the way the sun in 'somewhat brighter' than a glowstick. McShame was like eating a bowl of poop versus Obama's full bucket: little difference to the victim.

Iran war? No thanks
My first thought about "what would be happening if McCain had somehow managed to get elected President" is that, in addition to dragging our feet getting out of Iraq, we would probably be involved in a new war with Iran, or heading toward it fast. Some people think this would be a great thing. I am not one of them. I do not think more pre-emptive wars, in Iran or elsewhere, are what the U.S.A. needs at this point. Sor for this reason alone, if none other, I am inclined to be glad McCain lost the election, even though there's a hell of a lot wrong with Obama.

As far as domestic policy is concerned, I figure that as Mr. Hawkins, suggest, a McCain presidency would look a lot like "Obama lite". More panicky big-government spending, more govt. meddling in the economy...maybe less of these things than Obama is doing, but more than I favor. And while McCain might not have nominated Sotomayor, the guy who thinks upholding the most basic principles of the First Amendment is less important than his notion of "clean government" could well have nominated someone just as bad.


Obama, race, and conservatism
I found this fantastic column by another conservative writer who sees a root problem among conservatives being our lack of real, genuine, and displayed concern for the issues and struggles of black and Latino communities. VERY powerful piece!

http://robbymoeller.blogspot.com/2009/07/sins-of-conservati ve-father.html

By Election Night...

I seriously considered not voting, or voting third Party, or voting for Obama in protest.

Next time the Republicans pull this crap, it's gonna be a lot easier to flush their fool.


Principle over Paganism

yet another list?
What is it with this guy and lists?

What if Kerry beat Bush?
You can apply similar logic. I think Republicans, at a minimum, would have never lost the House and Senate.

MCCAMNESTY
As much as I attempted to pretend McCAMNESTY is not the head of a ticket it was NOT true, better off placing our support behind the Senators and Congressmen who will support United States Citizens against the invasion by the ILLEGALS. Either presidential candidate from the two "major" parties will be a disaster for the United States, we will lose our Nation with both, just a matter of the HOW! I am tired of being "poked" with McCAMNESTY's AMNESTY stick!

genuine cactushead
You are correct that Emanuel , Axelrod and the other goons are leading Dear Leader around by the nose,as he does their bidding.

I think that B.O. was chosen predominately for the color of his skin and his dislike for America. His handlers knew white guilt would permit him to do almost anything,no matter how detrimental to the country,without critisism.

I doubt they care what this does to Obama and his political chances for a future,just so long as he makes the changes they could have NEVER gotten done without him.

wallac
again the black victim shows up to lecture us about the situation in dc

But exzactly why should the country be enthused about an affirmative action loser sitting in the white house.

But it seems you have no problem holding flap ears to a lower standard of accomplishment.

And as we witness in two of his handlers, emanual and axlerod, flap ears certainly knows how to dance to the tune being played by the whites who do the thinking for him.

But as typical of losers like you, you see flap ears the chicago thug as a win for blacks, when the reality is when the fool screws up all of america loses.

But then with higher percentages of blacks earning salaries that exempt them from paying income taxes and higher percentages of blacks living on the dims plantation of entitlements it comes as no surprise they aren't troubled by the massive deficits the fool and the dims in congress have run up.

But there is one surprising effect to the clueless fool, he is rallying the country to oppose his socialist agenda and will certainly limit the wanna be marxist dictator to a single term in office

My mistake --
I said Pat writes a good column, but meant John. My apologies.

A thought or two--
Pat writes a good "what if column" and it would be good for some discussion but sad to say, that was then and this is now. We as conservatives have to take stock of what is available for the next one and hopefully, select a real conservative instead of a rino, cino, or wishy washy candidate who would leave us dissapointed like we were with McShamnesty. BTW, we here voted for Sarah..

What a waste
Gotta agree with Siegfried. In so many ways Conservatives just did not have a horse in this past election. The only presidential candidate to the left of John McCain in the ENTIRE field of candidates was Barak Obama. (Ann Coulter has often stated that Hilary is more conservative than McCain and in may ways that is TRUE!)

And if electing McCain meant there was a GREATER chance of having Cap and Trade.... AND Amnesty... Sheesh.. As Bad as Obama is, at least we can give him credit for galvanizing and even supercharging the conservative movement in a way McCain never could!!

Pull back, regroup, then win
"A McCain presidency would have been an absolute disaster from the standpoint of reviving conservatism"

I agree totally. Sometimes it is necessary to retreat and regroup, losing a single battle, in order to win the war.

If we can build a strong, conservative Republican party then winning elections will be easy. But if our party becomes a Democratic clone then we lose no matter what.

Mr. Hawkins
You,my dear sir, missed your calling. You should have been a writer for small children. But, I see you chose to be a writer for small "Minds"! Is there ever going to be an article, written by you, that does not include numbers? Your Editor must be a RELATIVE..Lucky you?

I told you so
See? It's not so bad. I knew this would happen. It's all working out as planned. Even better than I expected, actually. Bush had anesthetized the right, and this general anesthesia would have continued in worse form under McCain. A McCain presidency would have been an absolute disaster from the standpoint of reviving conservatism. All resistance to collectivism would have remained dead. Now, people are awakening, that resistance has been resurrected, and we are moving right. This is exactly what is needed.

BTW, it should have been Forbes in '96 and '00. Then we wouldn't have been in this situation in the first place. Lessons learned.

Good, honest observations from Hawkins today.

Dreams of Desperation
Conservative are their worse enemies, and a prime example is all the wasted energy used to deny reality, President Obama is President of the United States, face it. The question is how will you defeat him in 2012? Rather than using your limited mental energy concentrating on a viable platform acceptable to the majority, you gather in your little circles, and dream of what could have been. You still do not have a plan, or a message other than the same foolishness of days gone by, the world has changed and you are still in the past. Well you keep wishing and watching as the past get further and further away; while the rest of society and the world moves closer to the middle. And this new conservative strategy of crying racism at every turn of events is rich with humor and an equal waste of energy. The wiser and more intelligent of you know that if you haven’t suffered economic deprivation, merely because of the color of your skin, if you haven’t endured suffering from a long history of discrimination, and political powerlessness. If you were not forced to take your battle for equality to the streets, you haven’t a clue about racism; therefore, your cries of racism are impotent. The fact of the matter is, you can complain in your blogs, insult with meaningless ranting each day, but the result will remain the same unless you do something more constructive than dreaming of what could have been, and deal with what is. The hard facts are, you have a Democratic President, who’s African American, and the birthers best efforts will not change that, so live with it, you have a Hispanic Justice, and they are attempting bring American promise of justice and equality to all, not just the privileged, I know conservatives oppose such an attempt but as I stated, no matter how hard you try, there is no stopping time.

Rowly @ 1:01 p.m.


"....only Satan himself could have been worse than what we have now."

Amen.
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Just asking.....

What's with the crap from several posters today about McCain? And crap it is.
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John McCain WILL NOT run for POTUS again. I REPEAT.....HE WILL NOT RUN FOR POTUS AGAIN.

Is there any reason to discuss McCain?

Try this question:

Do you want the guy just below Satan's pay grade running America for eight years instead of four?
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You want that?

If so, keep talking-up a stupid, third party. Or worse, rave-on about a Republican candidate in 2012, who might be less than a perfect conservative. That's all you have to do.

Than you can watch the guy, who at least isn't Satan, take America downhill for another four years.



Obama is good for the
fiscal conservatives. The _social_ conservatives gave us Bush -- who was politically a progressive. (He doubled the size of the Dept. of Education with NCLBH; he signed Medicare Part D; and he allowed the budget to get seriously out of control.) Bush had his good points on defense and foreign policy but on total, he was no better than his father.

Perhaps next time we can elect a true fiscal conservative who will work to make government smaller. Republicans should seriously erode the Democratic majority in Congress at the next election. The FISCAL conservatives are energized and want to throw out all the leftist loonies now in power.

I just hope the SOCIAL conservatives don't screw it all up by supporting another social conservative who follows progressive policies on everything else.

If we can survive it...?
If American can survive the onslaught of Obama's policies then it will be good that he got elected. Complacent conservatives and republicans have been awakened by Obama's radical efforts. Democrats are being converted into conservatives. Independents are realizing that it is more important to vote for a fiscal conservative than a social manipulator. The lack luster political scene has been set on fire. If a TRUE conservative candidate can take advantage of this, America will surely put him into office. This was the set-up Carter created for Reagan.

Good Perspective
The value of this article is that it reminds us that party label is not a guarantee of quality. Yes, things would be somewhat better under McCain, but "Obama-lite" is not a true alternative.

Election losses force a party into introspection and force it to come up with new ideas. The question is whether true Republicans will use this chance to present a true alternative vision of government and its role in our lives.

Let me get this straight...
So the author wouldnt be happy if the republicans were making judgements and voting from the middle? He would prefer them making decisions from the right?

I have to strongly disagree there - Governing from the middle is and will always be the best route. You can lean one way or the other, but the middle should be what you strive for. The far left and right should never be where someone governs from.

I know this is a conservative website, but people have to realize the vast majority of the country - is in the middle, and generally want things done from that view point. Its the most all encompassing and fair for all involved.

The representatives of the House representing their specific districts can be more left or right based on constituates of their region. Even the senators- but the President should be the middle ground as (s)he represents the whole country.

At least from my humble point of view.

wallac
spoken like a true, I am a permanent victim 24/7.

But losers like you are incapable of looking beyond race.

But there is no proof that flap ears the clown is anything more than an affirmative action hire, held to a lower standard of accomplishment who continues to hide every aspect about his life.

Since no one has seen any copies of his college transcripts or read anything except his ghost written love letters to himself there is no proof he is an intellectual at even the most basic level.

But he can read the talking points his white masters put on his teleprompter and for losers like you that passes for intelligence.

But it seems that you are the typical black raised to blame whites for your worthless life while putting color ahead of real accomplishment.

But the only people with limited mentality are losers like you who place race above all things. In your pathetic world only blacks understand growing up in poverty.

But even with his comparably privileged up bringing, your hero flap ears the clown, still used affirmative action to gain admittance to both columbia and harvard.

And the chicago thug also maintains that his daughters will need to take advantage of affirmative action if they expect to accomplish anything later in life.

Seems amongst victim blacks, standing on your own remains a goal that can't be achieved without govt and society set asides.

Without the msm covering from him and clueless blacks like you propping up his ratings, his approval numbers would be even lower

Actually had the media fully investigated who is isn't, the fool would have never been elected.

What ifs are fun...
What if the economy does turn around before 2012, everyone has a health care option, the footprint of US soldiers in the ME is greatly reduced, North Korea agrees to disarmament and the inevitable Iranian reformation movement results in open relations?

If just 3 of those happen (economy being mandatory), republicans won't see power for a generation.

Dreams of Desperation
Conservative are their worse enemies, and a prime example is all the wasted energy used to deny reality, President Obama is President of the United States, face it. The question is how will you defeat him in 2012? Rather than using your limited mental energy concentrating on a viable platform acceptable to the majority, you gather in your little circles, and dream of what could have been. You still do not have a plan, or a message other than the same foolishness of days gone by, the world has changed and you are still in the past. Well you keep wishing and watching as the past get further and further away; while the rest of society and the world moves closer to the middle. And this new conservative strategy of crying racism at every turn of events is rich with humor and an equal waste of energy. The wiser and more intelligent of you know that if you haven’t suffered economic deprivation, merely because of the color of your skin, if you haven’t endured suffering from a long history of discrimination, and political powerlessness. If you were not forced to take your battle for equality to the streets, you haven’t a clue about racism; therefore, your cries of racism are impotent. The fact of the matter is, you can complain in your blogs, insult with meaningless ranting each day, but the result will remain the same unless you do something more constructive than dreaming of what could have been, and deal with what is. The hard facts are, you have a Democratic President, who’s African American, and the birthers best efforts will not change that, so live with it, you have a Hispanic Justice, and they are attempting bring American promise of justice and equality to all, not just the privileged, I know conservatives oppose such an attempt but as I stated, no matter how hard you try, there is no stopping time.

Very good post!!!
I entered this article with reservations because McCain ran as Obama-lite and I was prepared to rebut. But I agree with all seven points. McCain ran a horrible campaign. John touches on failure to reach grassroots, and I think that leads to why the McCain campaign placed no emphasis whatsoever on new voter registration, which is what I really wanted to do. Creating and developing your voter base and waving the flag is the MOST IMPORTANT THING in any campaign! And McCain refused to do this.

2008 was a very bad year for the Republicans, candidate-wise. There was no sense of urgency from any of the candidates. They all acted, with the exception of Huckabee and Romney (and the lunatic Ron Paul), like they were too cool for school and did not really want this job. They were not willing to put the work in and petition the American people to elect them! As a group, they were unenthusiastic and lackadaisical (sp?). They were lazy and uninspiring! Fred Thompson acted like he expected to be "drafted" by the American people against his will. Nobody other than McCain, Romney and Huckabee stepped forward and said, "I want this job." From that pool, we picked one of the weakest candidates ever.

Let us not do this again.

In other words
We would still be in deep s##t.Better to take our lumps now.In 2010 and 2012 we can run real repubs and constitutionalists instead of RINOS and Neo-Marxists.

THEY COULD NOT FIND OBAMA CERTIFICATE

I JUST CANNOT BELIEVE THE SITUATION IN THIS
CALCULATION PERTAINNING " IF OBAMA WAS BORN
HERE IN USA 50 STATES OR OTHER PLACES," I KNOW I AM NOT VERY INTELLIGENT BUT THESE JUNK PEOPLES, TRYING TO DESTROY THIS MAN AS PRESIDENT, WHICH ALL THE JUNK MAN AND WOMEN CANNOT FIND HIS "BIRTH CERTIFICATE" WAS HE ??? I JEAN LAVOIE HAVE A "BIRTH CERTIFICAT" IF OBAMA WAS NOT BORN IN U.S.A OR HE DID, AMERICAN THERE OWN COUNTRY, AND THOSE US SUPPOSE TO BE GREAT PHILOSOPHER. I AM A SHAME TO GO THRU THIS

Obama vs McCain
Many are still falling for the trap set by the left before the election. That there would be no difference in the two candidates. It worked like a charm then and it still is working.

You may be right. I may be wrong. McCain/Palin may have been a mistake,too. But,I tell you one thing....only Satan himself could have been worse than what we have now.


A few things
GM may not have been owned but McCain and the Congres would keep feeding it billions to keep it alive. Which is worse?

Chrysler is owned by FIAT basically and it would either be owned by Fiat under McCain or be gone completely.

McCain would have a form of socialized medicine paid for by taxing employer health benefits.

Some form of "amnesty" would have come from McCain and it will come from Obama. Perhaps LG of SC was right that you will look back on the day and regret the day you shot down McCain-Kennedy because there will be immigration reform and it will be far worse than what that defeated bill would have brought (I opposed McCain-Kenendy btw).

Doubtful Souter would have resiged if McCain had won. So it wouldn't have mattered in this case.

McCain would have supported a Cap and Trade bill.



John you are soooooo right.
That is the most insightful article I have read since the Republicans gave away the election by nominating a weak moderate for the election.I'm a retired, union Democrat that voted for Sarah Palin, not McCain. The country is definitely Conservative by any measure. The MSM glorified this current occupant to extreme with the worst vetting job ever of a candidate for the highest office in the land and we are paying the price now. He's one and done! Any actual Conservative can win in 2012, is anyone paying attention. No more of this!!

Which way would he go
"....about which way McCain would have gone and whether the Democrats would have seriously considered letting a judge who'd vote against Roe v. Wade make it through."

It undoubtedly would have been better -- at least the first one. How much? Well, the Democrats would have clamored all over him and the nomination, telling him who he should pick. They think they get to make those choices for moderates, or at least brow beat them into indecision about their choice. Could McCain withstand that?They tried with Bush, however, he resisted for the most part. But for Souter’s seat they would have said you have to pick someone with the same DNA but different sex as him – read must pick an ultra-liberal female. And Dems sure do not have problems using filibusters or any other tactics to derail it.

Then the hearings would have been completely different and stretched out for eons, provided they let h/her out of committee. (or that they did not scare off the nominee) SO it all amounts to would McCain nominate and then defend his pick? Does Sarah Palin shed any light on that?

McCain
Some people think John [Mirtha]? is a hero.

THE LIST
As obama and the liberal left check off one by one their list of 'Changes', they're 'Hoping' to mandate their mandatory 'youth' cival military service force.

For all American-Americans who were not taught World History or those who have forgotten World History, just 'Google' Hitler's Youth and see what's coming to the America we no longer live in.

McCain
The pro-amnesty-pro illegal imigrant crowd destroyed my livelyhood and I despise them. And dont tell me to move on with my life, thats only for those of you who benefit from this destruction of America. McCain is a traiter and all his heroics were for his political future, not his country.

McCain the Maverick
For decades, McCain was treated to fawning coverage as the MSM's favorite "Maverick Republican" due to his propensity to buck his own party. It seems that this adulation went to his head and just reinforced that propensity. However, once nominated, the fawning turned to excoriation.
Probably the most significant difference between the current administration and an hypothetical McCain one is that John would never have gone on two "America Sucks" tours.
The silver lining is that now the Dems have no excuses. Even though they will try to blame the Rebubs for all of their shortcomings, we can't let them get away with it.

Well, be happy then
If there really wouldn't have been a difference and if the illegal immigration problem was THE issue, then be happy because conservatives got what they REALLY wanted...a president that could sell his agenda. Of course it's the wrong agenda...and there's the economy and gay marriage and oh, the war...but NONE of that was important when GWB was more interested in BEING president than giving wonderful speeches, right?

Either way, Mexicans are getting to stay in America and take away jobs no one wanted until jobs got scarce and that is what was REALLY the issue. Keep telling yourself that when Obama apologizes America right into an armed Iran and the terrorists makes 9/11 look like fireworks on a fourth of July weekend.


McCain
It is conceivable, but not likely that McCain might have vetoed some outlandish Democrat bills. With the majorities the Democrats have, his vetoes might have been overridden. However, a snowball in Hell would have a better chance than Obama would veto any outlandish Democrat bill. I didn't like McCain, but held my nose and voted for him as the lesser of two (bad) evils.
Donald W. Bales

President Mccain?!?
I "gritted my teeth and decided to vote for Sarah and 'the other guy'." McCain has a deplorable conservative record especially with illegal immigration, a NO BRAINER: 1) Secure the borders 100% (back in 2003 latest), 2) No amnesty of any kind, 3) E-Verify, and 4) Enforce the current laws, including deportation,

I don't know about, what you "know"...
johninoregon ................ Location: OR
Date: Jul 28, 2009 - 11:27 AM EST So THAT'S What Obama Is
Just as I was about to throw up my hands in despair over the wimpy, principle-compromising, corporatist Democrat I helped vote in as President, Mr. Hawkins assures me that he is, in fact, an "ultra-left-winger."

I guess I was confused by the fact that Obama is surrounding himself with Wall Street insiders, is bandaging up---rather than reforming---our insane financial system, is showing no willingness to re-examine a trade policy that destroys our industrial infrastructure, and is pushing halfway measures rather than real healthcare reform. But thanks to Mr. Hawkins, I now know that all of that is ultra left wing.
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But, one thing all us real Americans now know about you for sure, you are full of gas...

Methane gas that is.

LET THE DEMOCRATS TAKE THE BLAME?

.....This articles supports the view of those who thought that a MCCAIN victory would destroy the REPUBLICAN party ...

.....The bad news is that an OBAMA victory might destroy the Country ...

.....Fiscally Conservative Democrats who oppose CAP & TRADE and NATIONAL HEALTH CARE should be supported to stall the PRESIDENT'S AGENDA until the GOP can nominate a true CONSERVATIVE that will appeal to CONSERVATIVES on all sides of the fence .....COLOSSUS

Hawkins forgot the biggest one.....

the republican standard bearer would be McCain.

both parties are poised to run us all into poverty. Obama (i.e. Bush on Steroids) will just get it over with in one term.

Maybe from the ashes of our economic destruction, we can rise, again.


Bush didn't appoint solid originalists
Ibi jus, ubi remedium. Where there is law, there is a remedy for its invasion. King John of the House of Fascism has closed off the doors of the courthouse, in contravention of authentic originalist principles.

The RATS wing of the Court is irrevocably corporatist; individual rights have received remarkably short shrift in the Roberts Court. What drooling rightard nut-jobs like Chicken Hawkins seem to forget is that the courts are supposed to protect us from the depredations of government, and when the judges close the door, they close the door to our rights.

Bush didn't appoint solid originalists
Ibi jus, ubi remedium. Where there is law, there is a remedy for its invasion. King John of the House of Fascism has closed off the doors of the courthouse, in contravention of authentic originalist principles.

The RATS wing of the Court is irrevocably corporatist; individual rights have received remarkably short shrift in the Roberts Court. What drooling rightard nut-jobs like Chicken Hawkins seem to forget is that the courts are supposed to protect us from the depredations of government, and when the judges close the door, they close the door to our rights.

So THAT'S What Obama Is
Just as I was about to throw up my hands in despair over the wimpy, principle-compromising, corporatist Democrat I helped vote in as President, Mr. Hawkins assures me that he is, in fact, an "ultra-left-winger."

I guess I was confused by the fact that Obama is surrounding himself with Wall Street insiders, is bandaging up---rather than reforming---our insane financial system, is showing no willingness to re-examine a trade policy that destroys our industrial infrastructure, and is pushing halfway measures rather than real healthcare reform. But thanks to Mr. Hawkins, I now know that all of that is ultra left wing.

mcshame
has always been a fraud trying to live up to his press clippings as the nyt's favorite rino.

But for all his bluster mcshame would rather pal around with old swimmer and the socialist feingold than stand with repubs.

But as a legend in his own mind pathetic old john thinks that standing up to repubs is almost as brave as enduring the hanoi hilton.

Fortunately there will be opposition from repubs in the coming primary and mcshame has to face some opponents who will have no problem raising the issues of amnesty for illegals and how mcshame sided with the dims to limit free speech.

With growing opposition in ariz to rino mcshame, perhaps we can end the run of another pathetic pol more interested in being pals with the dims than defending the country

McCain as President
As you detail the differences between Obama and McCain I wish I would have voted for Bob Barr.
Obama is terrible and McCain is an example of everything that is wrong in the Senate.
I did not like McCain as a candidate and I see nothing in his after-campaign style to change my mind.
We need term limits so the McCains of the world never accumulate 10 years in the government which will bankrupt the country eventually as the Auto -industry went bankrupt with the outrageous fringe benefits.

McCain would have been death nail
If McCain had been elected he would have been the death nail in the Republican Coffin. the one thing that makes Obama deadly is the lunatics that CONTROL both houses in congress. Had the balance been more even I would not be as afraid as I am but a super majority gives obama a golden ticket and that is disastrous. McCain would have been obama light but as long as we can stall Cap and Trade and obama care to the point where reelection will keep a number of incumbents at bay but the repubs really need to come on strong in 2010 and gain enough power to keep the sotomayors, the caps and trades, the socialized HCs and ever other agenda driven policy from happening until we can vote obama out of office in 2012.

arnold should take his "identity"

politics somewhere else.

the left's whole replacement of individual rights with group rights is unAmericand and evil.

Correction:
I meant to say CERTIFICATION of Live Birth. That's the "documentation" Obama has been publicizing via factcheck.org. It proves nothing.

JMO51:
The only way to satisfy the looney birthers is for Obama to produce his birth certificate for authentication. Not his Certificate of Live Birth, mind you, but his Hawaii Birth Certificate.

Don't you wish he'd do that just to shut the birthers up?

Sarah Palin for President
Thomas in GA writes:

"Sarah Palin is just not articulate enough to pull it off, but a conservative ticket will destroy Obama IF he keeps on this ultra left line."

Pull what off? Are you saying Palin can't win the election because she doesn't speak like a Harvard professor (although we found out last week some Harvard professors are better at in-your-face ghetto slang than articulate speech)?

Or are you saying that she has to be more articulate to run the administration.

I'm a fairly intelligent guy, if I do say so myself, and I don't find anything at all wrong with Palin's speech. She is who she is and she doesn't hide it behind a teleprompter. She' an honest candidate with genuine values and core beliefs who energizes the base. She doesn't need to be more articulate to defeat a poseur whose favorite words off-teleprompter are "uh", "er", "um", and "you know".

Palin can hire all the lawyers and press secretaries she needs to help her get the i's dotted and the t's crossed. The bottom line is she is a princpled conservative with the right core beliefs who communicates VERY WELL with the base. The left knows this and is scared to death of her. They mock, ridicule, and insult her personally because they want to change the subject away from her conservative political message, which they can't refute.

This woman is right for our country. Her very children have suffered national ridicule and verbal abuse from the selfish, cowardly, petty, childish, hateful left. She has suffered this and sacrificed her governorship to help her country. It's time for all patriotic conservatives to cast aside any doubts or fears we have and get behind her. Don't let the left talk us out of nominating our very best in 2012.

BO good for us
Given the choices in your article I say it is best that BO won. In the end, he should be good for America since his disinterest in actually being a president is palpable and his overt attempts to destroy our country should wake enough people up to see the dems for what they truly are.

conservatives are in the minority
People who read/post on these ultra-right websites are a minority -- and not a respected one. Conservatives like Lindsey Graham, Shrieking Palin, etc...do NOT reflect the values of most U.S. citizens. The majority of people find the bigotry, intolerance and general wackiness of the right despicable. They have no interest in rolling back the clock to the days of White Rule where blacks and other minorities were treated like 2nd class citizens. Yes, there are some supporters -- but not enough to make a difference. You can have all the teabag parties you want, but as long as you express your beliefs in hateful childish ways ("Sail-ears" "magic mulatto" "wears mommy-jeans")you are doomed to extinction. Go back and read some of the archived stories and posts. Look for posters like "Retired Geek" "Gunny" and read those comments. It's like they are 6 year olds. If that's the politics you choose, fine -- but if you think "the big, bad media" is going to do anything but ridicule you, you are wrong. Until there is someone who can express themselves in a non-hateful way, productive way you can bet Obama has the next 7 1/2 years locked up. Few people (except the mentally disturbed) have use for that kind of hateful rhetoric.

A Dimes Worth Of Difference Redux
Another thing....I doubt a McCain/Palin administration would have selected over thirty czars who are accountable to no one...except McCain.

I doubt he would have a cabinet of Clinton retreads,tax cheats, socialists,etc.

No,A McCain/Palin administration would not have been perfect with a left-wing congress to work with,but I do believe it would have been a Pro-American one.

What if is a waste of time
and thought. Let's just fight the fight we have before us and stop thinking about could have been. Sarah has not been strapped into a failed presidency. She has a fearless love for America. At least she is showing the wimpy Republicans out there how to be brave, how to stand up for what is right.

McLame and Milt Stiff
RINO's exists to destroy any conservative effort to move the conservative forward - Conservative agenda meaning anything that does not suit the NY/Beltway elite crowd - Rommey is a complete RINO stiff and McAmesty is a Democratic dream candidate - ask yourself how in God's could McCain have been the Republican candidate for President - Because the corrupt NY Elite "Mainstream Media" did everything possible to get him on the ticket - In the meantime they crucified Fred Thompson (and look what they done to Sarah Palin) - Support anyone the corrupt idiot NY based mainstream media goes after - we will all be better off.

Hawkins misses the main point
If McCain were President the economy would still be a disaster and we'd have Cap and Trade and Amnesty certain to pass.

By the time of next year's midterms and the 2012 campaign the mess we're in would be even worse and, here's the point, the Democrats would able to blame "conservatives" for it even though McCain is not a conservative, none of the policies that have caused this mess are conservative, and conservatives have opposed every policy that has contributed to the mess.

The temptation is to say that McCain's time has come and gone, but in reality there never was a time when a guy who admits he knows squat about economics and is more interested in "comity" in the Senate" than whether qualified judicial nominees get up-or-down votes should even be a Senator, let alone Prez.

McCain is an insufferable ego that has become a caricature of himself. If he wants to be a bumbler that's his business (to a certain extent), but he has no right to take the entire GOP down with him.

Wei congratulations
Now can you point out what arrogant things George Bush is responsible for. I know OBAMA is always apologizing for it. But specifically what are you talking about?

I never thought
anyone thought Joe Biden was a voice of reason.

Hope this Changes...
the election of Obama can be blamed on the desperate environment that existed in this Country nine months ago.. people voted for a candidate that had absolutely NO experience and not a single accomplishment to his credit(?!)

the arrogance of the Bush administration has been exceeded only by the ignorance of the Obama administration.. and instead of solving our problems we now spend every waking moment trying to prevent the creation of another "congress-created" disaster..

A Dimes Worth Of Difference.
Different factions besides Republicans chose McCain to run against the Democrat candidate,because he was the most liberal of the slate we had to choose from and they knew he would not fight for the top spot. Only Sarah Palin saved him from an embarassing rout.

McCain had always held conservatives in disdain,except in fiscal policies. He was not the big spender many Republicans were.

He was my last choice of Republicans....still I was happy to vote for him when it was evident he was my ONLY choice. McCain vs Obama. The choice was easy.

Some errors in judgement would likely have been made if McCain was elected,but no one can convince me he would have 'socialized ' what Obama has done. After all,he served and almost died for this country,which I believe he cares about. Obama does not love the country,nor does he love it's inhabitants.


What wWould Be Different?
Very little! McCain’s first impulse is ALWAYS to grab his ankles and assume the BOHICA position for his Liberal brethren in Congress.

The real lesson of 2008
may well have been that neither party put up a candidate that is right for America.

So maybe (I have a hard time saying this) its ultimately a good thing the worst possible man won--if it wakes up conservative Americans and we're able to really clean house.

We'd Have a Better Vice President
McCain would have been a "stop the bleeding" president and not an activist in the way Obama is. Yes, there would be some environmental and amnesty issues, but we would not be this close to losing all of our freedoms.

Yes, conservatives would have to be talked off the ledge, but Vice President Palin could have done the talking.

Given what we have now as VP, the alternative would have been much better in that aspect. It would just be a matter of waiting until VP Palin could inherit the party and we'd be back to America the way it should be!

You cannot be serious...
This is a joke right?

GM and Chrysler wouldn't be government owned?

You're delusional.

The bailout would have been less?

You're kidding. You do realize the bailout was merely an
attempt to boost bank P&L's to lull investors.
Credit is still tight and bonuses are being paid.

Sotomayor wouldn't have been nominated.

So...McCain would pick? another O'Connor or Souter.

Republicrats and Demopublicans will soon be forgotten.
Unfortunately, not soon enough.

Hawkins, you really need to buy a lunch box.


Freedom vs. Control
Alastair, conservatives are always going to be against the expansion of government as a proposed solution to the problems caused by too much government. Face it.

"Government is not the solution to the problem. Government is the problem."--Ronald Reagan

And bipartisan Democrat Lite Senator McCain/Feingold is no conservative.

Hawkins is wisening up
Hawkins is finally starting to realize that RINOs hurt the Republican Party more than Democrats, and that it hurts our country to vote for the lesser of two evils.

Maybe someday Hawkins will realize that fixing the Republican Party is the way to beat the Democrats.

JMO51, Alastair
Keep those lies coming. The figure of uninsured quoted, most often, in the MSM is 44 million. Roughly, 10-12 million are illegal aliens, 10-12 million are eligible for Medicare or Medicaid but have not enrolled, 10-12 million prefer to pay for their health care out of pocket. That leaves 10-12 million who may need some help obtaining health care insurance. My son had a flat tire, recently; so, according to your playbook, I told him to get a new set of tires, a new trunk for the spare, a new tire iron, go to a new gas station, etc., etc.

Fact is, Alastair, the vast majority of voters on both sides of the spectrum are motivated, primarily, by antagonism toward the other side. You can confirm that in most Political Science textbooks. Obama won because a huge number of voters wanted to register their hatred of Bush.

I VOTED FOR MCCAIN

Like a great many people, I was concerned if Obama, a hardcore liberal, who turned out to be left-wing, radical socialist, entered the White House.

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In addition, I have not spoken a single, bad word about John McCain since the election. I know it will not help in any way, shape or form to defeat the socialist president.

OBAMA'S DEFEAT IS THE MATTER AT HAND.
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And nothing else but that.


Say what you will about
McCain, but I guarantee he wouldn't be traveling the world apologizing to our enemies.

He wouldn't be systematically dismantling the intelligence structures put in place by Bush that kept this country safe since 9/11.

He wouldn't be attempting to destroy the capitalist system that made this the greatest nation on earth.

McCain may have a liberal stripe on some issues, but the man is a patriot with roots going back to the revolution, he understands and loves this country....the clown who presently occupies the WH has no such love of country, in fact he is proving that he hates this country and all the white folks in it.

We don't even know who he is or where he came from and he refuses to tell us.

There's a lot of buyer's remorse out there, we warned them last year, but no-one listened and now we're stuck with this arrogant fool.

Sol_Invictus writes:
Trolls, go away and come back when you have an original thought in your heads

Take your own advice, and go back to DU, DailyKOS, HuffPuke, or any othe LIB site. Remember this is a conservative site. Libs are the trolls here.

Neither party is good for US
Both parties are controlled and run by statists with a few exceptions in the house. Both parties have been moving from freedom (or libertarian positions) and towards bigger government and statism. This benefits politicians. Even most of Gingrich's Contract for America was voted down with Republicans in control. And Bush's "compasionate" conservatism and big spending just allows the Democrats to spend even more.

It's time to vote for politicians who support smaller government (not just smaller than the opponent, or a smaller rate or growth, or someone like Obama who says they support smaller government but lies). The way I see it, my vote for Libertarians showed that I want smaller government. If the Republicans don't have a candidate who supports smaller government, I won't vote for him/her either.

Conservatism Works
This column just adds to the proof that Republicans who want to be Democrat Lite are leeching the lifeblood out of the GOP. The greatest Republican successes came from the unashamedly conservative Ronald Reagan and the responsbile government platform of the Contract For America. More Americans identify themselves as Conservative than Liberal. When both sides of issues are presented, polls usually show the conservative position to be favored by most. The GOP doesn't need an Obama or some other "rock star." They need to demonstrate how the Constitution and the ideals of the Founders provide appropriate direction for the issues of the 21st century.

edgycater.blogspot.com

Hawaii confirmed
Health Department officials in Hawaii once again confirm that Barak Obama was in fact born in Hawaii. This should once and for all lay to rest the crazy lies swirling around the internet. The birthers were wrong and this once again proves it.


The key phrase...
... in all the above points:
"McCain would have likely succumbed to the pressure..." and said Yes when he should say No.

I forgot McCain liked Cap and Trade...
...makes him even DUMBER!!!

Stop Letting Lefties choose for them!
That's the crux cause of why the Republicans were saddled with a whiney old hypocrit like McCain, and why the Republicans lost the election. And you can be guaranteed that they will continue to lose elections, as long as they continue to permit their opposition to choose their candidates for them.

Whatever the Lefties want, you can be absolutely certain is not what Conservatives want, and is not for the best benefit of Conservatives. Whatever the Leftist media advocates that Conservatives should or should not do, is exactly the opposite of what is best for Conservatives.

Really, it's very simple. Stop letting the people who hate you, make your choices for you.

JMO51
You need to get off of the MSM rhetoric! First, the 51 million uninsured number was made up by your messiah's minions and many dumbocruds even now acknowledge that it is a huge over estimate.

Now, enlighten us, dimwit! Just how has osama improved anything? His minions close over 2000 auto dealerships, many of solid and profitable family businesses that took a lifetime to build, costing over 100,000 jobs. To make matters worse, evidence is mounting that the majority of the dealerships chosen for closure, especially those handling Chrysler, were GOP contributors. Now, Verizon will lay off another 8000 people, many of them your fellow NY citizens. Further, is his ridiculous and stupid healthcare plan passes, he will lay off thousands more in the HMO industry.

Sorry jerk off, the majority of the medical establishment is against it because they see the folly of it all. Now before you come back with the crap about the AMA endorsing it, you can stick it! The AMA doesn't speak for the majority of the medical establishment.

Yes, you should be real proud of yourself!

Election Of McCain
would have just prolonged the agony.

He was a doddering, weak candidate foisted upon us by the RNC and Democrat crossover voters in the primary. Sarah Palin was his only saving grace. It would be nice if McCain and his idiot daughter would keep their pieholes shut and fade away.

McCain is a loser who does not speak for conservatives.

#8 Grandma would live

"page 425 of the bill states that Congress would require mandatory counseling every five years for seniors on Medicare so that they would be informed as to how to shorten their lives by declining nutrition, hydration, etc., for example.

They would be required to receive the counseling again once diagnosed with a serious disease such as cancer..."


http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1991646/vicious_as sault_on_the_elderly_under.html?cat=5

And why is it that...
...Hawkins only writes lists? Is narrative difficult for conservatives?

McCain would have been the same problem
Everybody seems to forget that it is not the President that passes legislation but the Congress.With the House and the Senate in the control of the Democrats, they still could have passes almost anything they wanted, even if McCain would not have liked it.The problem is that he is one of worst Republicans and not much different then Sen. Specter.He does not care what his constituents want and I think he will have a hard time even getting reelected again.Many of these guys are getting too old and should retire gracefully,however, that will not be in the cards for McCain because his ego will not let him retire.

Right....so who in 2012?
The key for Rs is to nominate someone who is electable in 2012. I voted for McCain despite his imperfections, because Obama is 10x worse. The R brand can recover, but only with a reasonable nominee that the Ds can also see themselves as supporting.

NORK
One thing's for sure, John S. McCain III, as President of the United States, would have ordered the USS John S. McCain, sailing in the Sea of Japan, to shoot down the very first missle the North Koreans launched and would have 'nipped that in the bud', completely avoiding the clusterf*ck that Obama has allowed to develope. (NOTE: All you 'We would've had another War!' pansies go pack sand.)

I also can't possibly imagine McCain apologizing to the Muslims, and the Europeans, and the Africans, and the Central Americans, and the South Americans, and to the....OK, you get the picture.

No way it could've been worse than what we got.

Obama = America's destruction.

Republicians
need to find a REPUBLICIAN to run for president. McCain was not a republician. Our choice was a socialist or a democrate. The media was (and still is) in love with Obama.The change platform was a winner. The public was sick and tired of Bush. Who can blame them. I wasn't a big G.W. fan. The GOP needs to return to the core values that were once the true GOP. Let's get back to the Constitution. Let's shrink government. Give the public more choice, fredom and liberty.

Do not Forget Foreign Relations
McCain would not have besmirched America's reputation abroad by bad-mouthing his country. Chavez would be madder than a hive of bees because McCain would not stand for his b.s. Rino though he is, he would have given us a worthy successor to Condi Rice and maintained international respect, if not affection, for the US of A.

McCain is the problem.
If McCain was the "conservative" choice, that is the reason Republicans will lose into perpetuity. When the difference in the candidates is merely the name we give them, a communist who calls himself a Democrat will ALWAYS defeat the communist who calls himself a Republican.

Here are the INCONTRAVERFTABLE facts, Phil:

McCain hates free speech and championed its total destruction with "campaign finance reform".

McCain DISPISES non-actiovist judges, and was the leader of the "band of eight" -- or was it 12? -- whose job it was to thwart any judge who would not author law on the fly to suit the communist agenda.

McCain want rapists, murderers, and pedophiles to be granted more rights that US citizens, and proved that when he championed citizenship for criminal from third world nations.

I could go on and on, but if you think McCain was the "conservative" choice, YOU, along with McCain, are part of the problem.

And don't give me that garbage about "but, but he was a war hero!!!" General Benedict Arnold was one of this nation's greatest war heros. Were it not for his bravery and leadership at the Battles of Saratoga, we'd have CERTAINLY been routed by the British, and the entire face of this globe would now be far different. His once-great heroism is no excuse for later treason. Not for General Arnold, and not for John McCain.

Bush Not Conservative To McCain
No, Don't Tread On Me, Bush was NOT a conservative compared to McCain. Bush was a big spender. McCain has always been the fiscal conservative.

For what McCain has been criticized for, Bush was right there with him, particularly on immigration.

Bush looked good in the end in Iraq because he did what McCain had been saying for years needed to be done as concerning troop levels.

Fantasy Control- McCains a liberal
I TOTALLY agree! I think Romney would be a great VP but we need a true, raw boned Conservative for Pres. I think Fred Thompson, IF properly motivated and supported would be solid. Sarah Palin is just not articulate enough to pull it off, but a conservative ticket will destroy Obama IF he keeps on this ultra left line. Thompson and Romney would obliterate Obama and Biden in debate on ANY topic.

The current adminstration is THE worst in our nations history. WAY worse than Carters.

Nice summary, Mr. Hawkins!
And it points out well the reasons that many of us were afraid for the future of our country, no matter which of the fools was elected, and why I would not have voted for McCain until Sarah Palin came along.

No, Egon
Egon, you suffer from McCain derangement syndrome. McCain would have governed quite capably. To celebrate Obama being President is being quite short-sighted. Obama is a radical socialist appeaser, and that is what will spell disaster, not what would have been McCain's moderately conservative governance.

The Answer to sdeakins Q: YES
The answer to the question posed by sdeakins at 7:54 AM 7/28 is YES.

There were a lot of difficulties making 2008 a bad year for the GOP: a financial crisis that created economic uncertainties favoring the Democrats; a Bush Administration bailout plan that muddied the waters as to the differences in economic programs of the two parties; Bush unpopularity; Obama money (7 to 1 advantage); an absurdly biased media acting as day-in, day- out propagandists for Obama; and demographic changes favorable to Democrats (keep the same demograhic group vote percentages and apply them to 1992 population and McCain wins). McCain knows there were what as a pilot he calls "headwinds," and that what he did to deal with those "headwinds," did not work.

If McCain
Credit card companies would still be able to rip off consumers. General Motors would likely be out of business taking a lot of jobs with them. Police and teachers across the nation would have been laid off and a generation of children would have suffered. 50 million Americans would continue to be uninsured, health cares costs would continue to rise and the problem would be left for another generation to solve, this to the utter delight of insurance and drug company executives.

The Bush tax cuts would become permanent further expanding the deficits. The F22 still would have been killed. Scalia might have retired to be replaced by a more moderate justice in the model of Justice Kennedy.


Don't Tread on Me SC
You are spot on my friend!
Looking for the long term aspects, in a way I was glad that Obama, instead of McCain, got elected.
You are correct in your assessment about McCain who, in my opinion, at this time would be not much different from Obama. McCain is a Liberal, end of story!
With McCain's fiasco after his first term, I believe that any Democrat would have won the White House and D's would rule for a long long time after.
As things look right now, Republicans seem to have stiffened whatever "spine" they had and after Obamas first term the economy will be in such shambles that only strict conservative actions might have a chance to turn this mess around.
It will take at least a generation to correct all the liberal mistakes by the Bush I, Clinton, Bush II and now the Obama administrations.
I will be surprised if Obama manages to finish his first term at all, at the rate they are raping and attempting to destroy America, violentrebellion ciould erupt after 2010, especially if the Republicans don't manage to achieve solid majorities in the House and Senate. Tea parties will grow to untenable proportions.

This Cloud's Silver Lining
The ascension of Obama to the White House will ultimately accrue to the benefit of the conservative cause as Obama and his obedient minions in Congress do what they do best: tax, spend, and over-reach.

The Republican party has the opportunity to reap the low haning fruit during the next two elections, provided truly conservative candidates emerge.

Romney Not Conservative Alternative
No, Romney was not a conservative alternative. In office, he was a pro-abortion liberal state Governor who appointed Democrats to the state bench and who oversaw a state Government health care program that has been a disaster. Romney's idea of serving his country was his sons serving in his Presidential campaign. In contrast, McCain's sons are in the military, one of whom is in the Marines with several tours of duty in Iraq under his belt. Speaking of Iraq, in 2006, Romney waffled while McCain stood strong. That is because Romney had no experience and little knowledge as to foreign policy, military matters and national security; McCain's credentials on those subjects are second to none.

McCain soundly beat Romney in the primaries because McCain was the better candidate. Romney may speak pretty, but always in both the primnary and general elections, McCain was superior on substance.

One other point: in the polling in 2007 and 2008 that matched up GOP candidates against Hillary and Obama, McCain was the only Republican who competitive; Romney lost those matchups by the widest margins of all.

I wonder if McCain...
...regrets not actually taking on Obama in a full out campaign? McCain was shot down over America by his own lack of enthusiasm and by friendly fire (Powell).

John's About Right.

The list (like all of John's lists) is right on target.
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Keeping that in mind, John should start a monthly list entitled, "Seven Ways To Defeat Obama In 2012". On a monthly basis, some 200 ideas would result. They'd be excellent, too.

And they might help save us from Obama, who seems intent on destroying America.

Better get at it, John.

We can't waste a second.

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Better a horned toad
Even the conniosseurs of the obvious are starting to wake up to the fact that a horned toad would have made a better president than Obama.

Don't Tread On Me: you make a good point about the cause of the financial crisis that put the kiss of death on McCain's campaign. Forcing banks and financial institutions to lend money to those in no position to repay the loans is counterproductive, since these enterprises do not exist to lose money.

So, they came up with financial instruments designed to make money on their losses: mortgage-backed securities, in which good and bad loans were mixed in the same instrument in such a way as to defy attempts to assess their true worth; credit default swaps, which were essentially bets that nobody WOULD figure out the true worth. None of these instruments had value of their own, but were backed by assets that did have value--only it was impossible to tell exactly what that value was.

This may be an oversimplification, but the bottom line is that none of these instruments would have been devised had not the financial institutions been compromised in their ability to make profitable loans in the first place.

Examples
An example of some conservatives who are needlessly wacko about McCain is the poster here "Don't Tread On Me," who is not writing based on McCain's actual positions.

An example of a real RINO is Colin Powell. He voted for Obama.

We now have Obama. We will be suffering badly from what happens on the watch of that egotistical radical socialist appeaser, and I will proudly say that I voted for a genuine war hero who loves his country, not an empty suit who apologizes for it.

Romeny was the conservative alternative.
Republicans deserve to be lost in the wolderness.
They don't offer an alternative to the democrats, they want to expand federal power also, just not as fast or in the same areas.
Republicans deserved the beating they got. If they do not move back right of center, they are done. Good riddance.

Consider Conservative Voting Record
I anticipate that there will be garbage about McCain being a RINO. No, he's not. His voting record this year is as conservative as any.

McCain voted this year against every Obama bailout and budget bill, denouncing Obama's multi-trillion dollar deficits as "generational theft" (a phrase picked up by Sean Hannity); McCain voted against the confirmations of Geithner, Kagan, Sibellius and Koh to their respective positions in the Obama Administration; McCain opposes Obama's health care proposal; McCain opposes Obama's cap and trade proposal.

When you consider what McCain would do today as POTUS, you have to consider his voting record this year.

McCain Would Have Been Much Better
I don't agree with this column. McCain would have been much, much better; and we are going to rue the day that we put an inexperienced radical socialist appeaser in office instead.

You would have a conservative nominee to the Supreme Court; you would have had a stimulus bill based on tax cuts; you would not have had muti-trillion dollar deficit budgets and indeed you would have had a Government spending freeze; you would have had TARP end (McCain voted against the second release of TARP monies when Bush was still President); you would not have Obama cap and trade; you would not have amnesty (McCain said he understood law enforcement had to come first); you definitely would not have had socialized medicine (McCain's health care proposal was the most free market based one offered); and you would not have radical pro-abortion proponents had an ally in POTUS (McCain is pro-life).

You also would have had much experience and knowledge at work concerning foreign policy, military matters and national security. In a few more years, you will be able to say if only we had McCain as President, this disaster would not have happened.

Some conservatives simply are needlessly wacko as to McCain.

A RINO Grazing on Astroturf
7. Compared to McCain, Bush was a staunch conservative. Mack seems to be motivated to actively thwart any conservative agenda item & destroy conservatism any way he can. That's e.g. why he attacks free speech/press in ways that hurt grassroots conservative movements. Mack himself is basically an Astroturf phenomenon built by the established pop media he's (supposedly jokingly) called his "base."

BTW, given his own history of consorting with radical group-ID orgs, I wouldn't put it past him to let bug $$ flow to outfits like ACORN either! How bout billions for La Raza?!

McCain's nomination was an act of sabotage.

BTW, what would Vice President Sarah Palin's tenure be like? We know Mack's "people" disrespected & despised her. Would she just be a scapegoat for the Mack Daddy's problems with conservatives, & a lightning rod for leftist carping? I can't imagine why she even was picked otherwise.

The financial crisis was caused by the banks being enticed, motivated, & blackmailed into making bad mortgage loans since the Clinton admin. That's the biggest source of the Clinton "good economy" for which he got hi marks, & now we're paying for. No one is addressing that, because they want to do the same again; manipulating money to serve political agendas, not good economic & business.

Hail to Pres. Democrat Lite
1. Mack's attitude about judges, as well as the larger issues of Constitutional rights (i.e. 1st Amendment)has already been signalled. No, he wouldn't have tapped Sotomayor, but he would probably have hunted for another Souter, or pandered in some fashion to the Dems to give them a 'acceptable compromise' candidate. Given a Senate supermajority, you can do the math on that one. He might have picked a Hispanic for group-ID reasons, but not an Alito. He might have found a worse La Raza type than Sotomayor!

2. Yes. Statists spend money, on any pretext. Only the details would matter.

3. I don't know how he'd have handled GM/Chrysler, but I can't see him bucking pressure to "do something." Maybe he wouldn't have blown off the bondholders, an act that could have serious repercussions forever. I still think the UAW's stake in the employers could lead to hilarity. They gonna strike against their own bank account?

4. He totally caved on ACO2ICC, said he didn't even care about the science, he thinks "cap & trade" is good policy regardless! He'd have given "bipartisan" cover to this massive lurch toward totalitarian fascism.

5. yes. We know, that was his other sig issue.

6. Heh. If the Dem Congress could raise a leader & specific proposal on its own, Mackie probably woulda gone along. Bipartisanship, you understand.

Not saying much

"McCain would certainly have been an improvement over the guy in the White House today..."

Heck, a steaming pile of fetid dog excrement would have been a VAST improvement in the oval office compared to this numpty.

Addenda
8. The adversarial press would be energized, enraged, and -- well -- adversarial. It would've revived the misery index. It would harp continually on the economic troubles and suffering that flows therefrom. Foreclosures, homelessness, destitution, and the rest of it would lead every broadcast and dominate every front page. There would be no stories lauding the "new frugality." There would be no feature stories in which some schmo from Detroit explains that being laid off was the best thing that ever happened to him, gave him more quality time with his family, provided the impetus to finish his degree, led to his discovery of Sri Chinmoy, yada, yada, yada. The only things that could've occasionally pushed economic tearjerkers out of the lead: body counts from Iraq and Afghanistan, which all but disappeared around 20 January in the real world, and show trials for Bush administration officials (see #9). Of course, there would be no infomercials broadcast from or for the White House.

9. Pressing his moral superiority on the "torture" issue, McCain would already have appointed a special prosecutor to investigate Bush, Cheney, the entire staff at Gitmo, the CIA, the NSA. . .

10. The fairness doctrine would've been revived. McCain may be the only recent major-party presidential candidate whose hostility to the First Amendment exceeds Obama's.

11. The dinosaur media would've gotten bailouts and regulatory relief months ago (see #10). Obama will probably put together a bailout package before the end of his first term; but he's in no hurry, for he knows that he doesn't have to exert himself to receive favorable coverage.

John
"Given that McCain campaigned relentlessly on his fiscal conservative credentials,"

Didn't McAmnesty talk about his $300 billion mortgage bailout to Obama's $75 billion mortgage bailout?

Phil Gramm
Fantasy Control
Location: TX
Reply # 2
Date: Jul 28, 2009 - 1:34 AM EST Barney and Franklin in prison together
If, in the first debate post-crash, McCain had stood up and told 50 million shell-shocked voters about Barney Frank, Franklin Raines, Fannie Mae, ACORN, and Barack, and the parts they played in destroying our banking system, he would be president today.


>The parts they played? And what about McCain's economic advisor Phil Gramm's Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999 that did away with Glass-Steagall? A law that was written after the last time Republicans controlled Congress and the Presidency ... just before the great depression!<

-Economists Robert Ekelund and Mark Thornton have also criticized the Act as contributing to the crisis. They state that while "in a world regulated by a gold standard, 100% reserve banking, and no FDIC deposit insurance" the Financial Services Modernization Act would have made "perfect sense" as a legitimate act of deregulation, under the present fiat monetary system it "amounts to corporate welfare for financial institutions and a moral hazard that will make taxpayers pay dearly".

Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman has called Senator Phil Gramm "the father of the financial crisis" due to his sponsorship of the Act. Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz has also argued that the Act helped to create the crisis-

7 things
great article, McShame would have pushed his liberal agenda, and given the democrats cover, to agree with the agenda and then blame repulicans come election.

McCain 2000?
If you think McCain is all that great then you should have elected him in 2000. Then perhaps you would not have had an outgoing President with a 25% approval.

Barney and Franklin in prison together
If, in the first debate post-crash, McCain had stood up and told 50 million shell-shocked voters about Barney Frank, Franklin Raines, Fannie Mae, ACORN, and Barack, and the parts they played in destroying our banking system, he would be president today. In addition, some of the aforementioned would be facing jail time. And we wouldn't be giving ACORN $5 billion to destroy our electoral system.

Unfortunately, McCain was an old and impotent man, nominated by Democrats voting in open primaries.

We need a real leader - one who can be as ruthless as the Dems. One who will make up for lost time. One who will call Obama, to his face, a liar.

Perhaps
clownmessiah is a blessing in disguise. I know of noone who speaks highly of the flap eared failure at all now that his true Hate Whitey Hate America colors are in full view. The clown emperor has no clothes and everyone knows it.

The press made him a tin plated god and he is collapsing under the weight of his own hype and arrogance. The press has also given their credibility a death blow they will not survive. Acorn is really going to have to double up and pull some MAJOR fraud next time.
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